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January 17, 2015
Open Thread 2015-04
(Sorry, no post. A family emergency that requires some travel etc. keeps me busy.) News & views … (..and pleaze behave …)
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1) September last year – Georgia offers US training camp for Syrian rebels Posted by: somebody | Jan 19 2015 20:50 utc | 101 @JFL (#99): I don’t think Obama “endorses” all the actions of the US “deep state”. It’s more like that the White House & Congress fears the Deep State (& the neocons) and bows to its wishes. But that’s my personal opinion. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 21:12 utc | 102 Did the readers of this blog watch the 2009 Obama speech in Cairo ?? Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 21:14 utc | 103 watch this Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 19 2015 21:18 utc | 104 “Anti-Islamist group Pegida spreads across Europe” Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 21:19 utc | 105 That video came from a Paul Craig Roberts piece on Information Clearing House
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40731.htm Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 19 2015 21:30 utc | 106 @102 Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 22:34 utc | 107 @JFL: Obama was USAID ??? CIA ??? (That’s still one station too far for me, but I could be wrong ……………..) Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 22:42 utc | 108 @JFL: Sorry. So, his mom was USAID & CIA ??? Yes, the USAID has some “questionable” reputation. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 22:45 utc | 109 S@101 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 19 2015 23:32 utc | 110 @108 Posted by: jfl | Jan 20 2015 0:03 utc | 111 in re fete at 82 — as always, thanks for the update.
So in order to terrorize the civilian population into turning against the People’s Republics, we’ll make ’em suffer. Hey, how’s that working out for your Israeli backers? If it does work, no Moskals. If it doesn’t, Moskal resources used up, right Barry Bandera? Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2015 0:12 utc | 112 @110 Posted by: jfl | Jan 20 2015 0:24 utc | 113 jfl@113 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 20 2015 0:42 utc | 114 @Uncle $cam – “DEA maintained secret database of Americans’ phone calls” Posted by: guest77 | Jan 20 2015 1:28 utc | 116 Very interesting political analysis, from Fort Russ, the redoubtable J. Hawk, trans. “Nobody can stop cornered Poroshenko” Parmen Posokhov describes the situation on the ground a bit over a week ago, but I think his analysis is correct and the overall political scene largely the same. He notes that most major political and media figures have gone quiet of late, despite the abundance of war news.
Hawk says “The fighting has been going on for a few days now, it’s as if the West has written off the post-Maidan crew but has no post-post-Maidan team in mind, waiting to take over. Which suggests that Ukraine is facing the possibility of a power vacuum at the center, leading to the splintering of the former Ukrainian state.” Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2015 1:36 utc | 117 RM@117 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 20 2015 2:30 utc | 118 hey kids, Posted by: denk | Jan 20 2015 3:05 utc | 119 WOW at 118 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 20 2015 3:22 utc | 120 There is no doubt about it: Russian liberals really do hate Russia.
Demian characterizing Ponomarev as a liberal is a little over the top. He’s a neoliberal PoS. More like a CIA asset. Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 20 2015 4:30 utc | 122 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 20 2015 5:03 utc | 123 Reading James Risen’s book, Pay any price, about the wars. Having been a NYTimes reporter for 15 years – he wielded the hatchet on Weh Ho Lee – Risen still pulls his punches, whether from an inability to imagine the rot at the nihilistic core of the USG or from a ‘reluctance’ to report on it I do not know, but he tells ‘as much as he can’. Posted by: jfl | Jan 20 2015 5:54 utc | 124 @121, not only have the Russians not been invited, but according to German version of Sputink, Poroschenko has now been invited. Polen lädt Poroschenko zu 70-Jahr-Feier der Befreiung von Auschwitz ein / Sputnik Deutschland – Nachrichten, Meinung, Radio
This is becoming scary, I really have more and more the impressions Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine and the West, mainly the US, want war with Russia at any price. US Army Command delegation ‘to arrive in Kiev this week’ — RT News
Posted by: Fran | Jan 20 2015 6:58 utc | 125 while fete documents the fukus brutal attack on russia,there’s an equally deadly assault on china going on relentlessly. Posted by: denk | Jan 20 2015 10:18 utc | 126 An anglo friend asked me what is going on, on the ground in F schools (i am in education biz.) I responded with summary/trans of 3 F teachers, less than a book page, if anyone wants to read it, I’ll post a copy. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20 2015 14:43 utc | 127 Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20, 2015 9:43:02 AM | 126 Posted by: somebody | Jan 20 2015 14:57 utc | 128 Biz education? I thought you were a Swiss banker!! Posted by: Mina | Jan 20 2015 15:03 utc | 129 MH17 = silence (and US gold transfer to Holland).
Posted by: x | Jan 20 2015 16:22 utc | 130 Several teachers in F have written about their class experience post C. Hebdo. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20 2015 16:32 utc | 131 “We’ve been through asbestos. We’ve been through Macondo, we’ve been through the Iraq war. We’re the execution company.” … (yep, & we’re Dick Cheney’s company!) Posted by: x | Jan 20 2015 16:36 utc | 132 126 Posted by: denk | Jan 20 2015 16:41 utc | 133 @okie farmer #122:
The word “liberal” has a different meaning in Russia than it has in the US or Europe. Given that you are a regular at MoA, I am surprised and disappointed that you can’t understand this simple fact. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20, 2015 11:32:00 AM | 131 Posted by: somebody | Jan 20 2015 17:53 utc | 135 somebody at 135, absolutely, but there you go, terrorists are formed from a young age, thru social disadvantage, indoctrination, (etc.etc.) so one has to keep track, tabs. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20 2015 20:09 utc | 136 “Ukraine re-introduces (partial) conscription” Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 20 2015 20:21 utc | 137 Posted by: Noirette | Jan 20, 2015 3:09:51 PM | 136 Posted by: somebody | Jan 20 2015 20:42 utc | 138 Noirette Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 20 2015 20:50 utc | 139 I tweeted this to Michael Moore as this is up his alley Posted by: brian | Jan 20 2015 22:09 utc | 140 @137 That Reuters article is very strange. No mention of Kiev forces shelling civilians in Donetsk. And why would they need conscription? Surely young Maidanistas must be volunteering in droves. Posted by: dh | Jan 20 2015 22:50 utc | 141 Posted by: dh | Jan 20, 2015 5:50:46 PM | 141 Posted by: somebody | Jan 20 2015 23:55 utc | 142 @141: LOL. I guess the Maidanistas aren’t too willing to be shot/killed. So, the average (ukrainian) Joe Sixpack has to do the fighting. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 21 2015 0:25 utc | 143 Likely this was posted here. It is about a month old so sorry if a repost….But it is completely obscene: Posted by: guest77 | Jan 21 2015 0:37 utc | 144 @131
The US, North Korea … France … Thailand … Posted by: jfl | Jan 21 2015 1:51 utc | 145 in re the War in Novorossiya —
The immediate priority, the report concludes, is to push the punitive battalions of the ATO out of artillery range, as the escalation has of course increased civilian casualties. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 21 2015 2:11 utc | 146 Noirette @131, Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 21 2015 2:38 utc | 147 The first section of Andre Vltchek’s article cited by William Blum in his AER #136…
And as the neo-NAZIs setup in power by the US and its European Unit rage and collapse, and then rage again in an even more virulent form? … Who should be blamed for the resurgence of NAZIsm in Europe? Posted by: jfl | Jan 21 2015 2:46 utc | 148 and further to 146 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 21 2015 3:19 utc | 149 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 21 2015 5:14 utc | 150 Talk of an advance by NAF has reemerged: “On To Kharkov!”
I don’t think there’s any question that the NAF must now proceed to destroy the AFU. This stalemate must end. The NAF have a good chance of prevailing, one of the main reasons being that, as usual, the junta is throwing poorly trained troops into meat grinders. Posted by: Fran | Jan 20, 2015 1:58:51 AM | 125 Posted by: somebody | Jan 21 2015 10:39 utc | 152 @ 139, Here are links to the 2 amply quoted teachers bowlerized by me to fit my perception of the general ambiance, representative of others imho as per e-mail, radio, other news articles, etc. that is in the public space …in private is another story.. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 21 2015 14:42 utc | 153 Two noteworthy items.
J. Hawk, the translator comments that “Poroshenko is likely to be overthrown due to lack of US support rather than a US plot. Moreover, one has to keep in mind that should Poroshenko be overthrown, it will be difficult for the US to justify subsidizing yet another Ukrainian government that came into power through violence.” The likely suspects on the right “do not follow orders from the US or anywhere else” but are explointing “the weakness of the current system….”
He starts with an interesting argument — Russia blew off the “annual Canossa of Western leaders where they bewail their historic failure to protect the Jews” as it now realizes the folly of trying to fit into the mold of submission that the West prescribes. They see themselves as victims of fascism as well, and are proud of the integration and prominence of Russian Jews. I can’t say that I subscribe chapter and verse, but altogether very illuminating. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 22 2015 0:53 utc | 154 A little light humor, from the Ukrainian President-for-Now. I thought the source was the National Inquirer, but Russia Insider says the underlying report is from Reuters. Poroshenko Says 9,000 Russian Troops in Ukraine, High-Tech Invisibility Cloaks Prevent Detection. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 22 2015 1:19 utc | 155 @154 I thought the Poles didn’t want Putin to come to Auschwitz and didn’t invite him. He didn’t come last time either. Which is it, did he refuse or wasn’t he invited? Posted by: Harold | Jan 22 2015 1:25 utc | 156 @Harold #156: @157 Posted by: jfl | Jan 22 2015 2:55 utc | 158 Harold at 156 — I was looking for something that might convince folks to have a look. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 22 2015 3:01 utc | 159 Ukraine, Russia agree to pull back heavy weapons
If this is true the Russians have sold out the people of the Dunbas. Even if the Ukrainians were to honor anything they have ‘agreed to’ … they have a ‘loophole’ big enough to annihilate the Donbas. And surely Russia knows it.
The people of the Donbas need to make it clear that they are not bound by anything the Russians say. Their only hope is to destroy these monstrous Russian/Ukrainian artillery pieces. Surely the Ukrainian NAZIs – unbound by any agreement the West Ukrainian Coup government makes in any case – will use them to devastate the East Ukrainian civilian centers in their ongoing attempted genocide of Donbas if they have the chance. @rufus magister #159:
So you are not comfortable with this account that Gilad Atzmon put forward which appeared in Counterpunch, which is where the Israel Shamir piece you linked to was also published:
If you are not comfortable with this, why, if I may ask? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40770.htm Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 22 2015 4:21 utc | 162 The Poles didn’t invite Putin because they hate the Russians Is probably the reason. however without a representative from Russia the commemoration is a travesty. Poroshenko has been invited, which is insane. It is a shame that the holocaust has become an industry/religion, but that doesn’t mean the liberation of Auschwitz by Soviet troops wasn’t a momentous event worthy of commemoration. Posted by: Harold | Jan 22 2015 4:27 utc | 163 Demian at 161 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 22 2015 4:41 utc | 164 From Russia Insider via NewColdWar, Alexander Mercouris has an interesting view on the naure of the regime and its nationalist obsessions, Ukraine goes to war – and always will as long as Maidan holds power
I have seen little reporting on it, but the regime is moving to officially sanction the destruction of Soviet-era monuments, this is from Estonia, last week — Ukrainian Government to Encourage Dismantling of Soviet Memorials. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 22 2015 4:58 utc | 165 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 22 2015 5:07 utc | 166 @rufus magister #164: Jeffrey Sterling: A Black Man and the CIA
The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate … he belongs in the Big House, not the Whitehouse … for his thousands of serial drone murders right off the top.
Posted by: jfl | Jan 22 2015 7:49 utc | 169 Demian @ 168 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 22 2015 12:40 utc | 171 The german magazine “Der Spiegel” (german for “the mirror”) ran a story on how the US is preparing for a cyber war. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 22 2015 18:14 utc | 172 The german magazine “Der Spiegel” (german for “the mirror”) ran a story on how the US is preparing for a cyber war. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 22 2015 18:16 utc | 173 US backed government in Yemen is very vulnerable. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 22 2015 18:23 utc | 174 “F.B.I. Is Broadening Surveillance Role, Report Shows”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 22 2015 19:06 utc | 175
An American shows the French the real meaning of satire. Posted by: jfl | Jan 22 2015 21:58 utc | 176 UN Supports Mexican Plan to Dissolve Local Governments
Peña Nieto may be a Mexican but he has an anglo-neoliberal … I was going to say soul – make it demon in the spot where his soul ought to be. He hates Mexico and Mexicans. Posted by: jfl | Jan 22 2015 22:45 utc | 177 @jfl #177:
Novorossiyan forces are advancing, and so far there are no signs that Moscow intends to stop them. US General Thanks Crippled Ukrainian Soldiers with Tokens
The poor conscript so ‘honored’ makes it clear what a monstrous war crime – against both East and West Ukraine – the UDS/EU/West Ukraine is commiting, and that he was compelled to take part in … “They ordered us to fire on a specific location” … but ‘it was all worth it’ for a piece of tin from the war-mongering general from the country that hasn’t known war in its ‘homeland’ since 1865 … not counting false-flag, self-inflicted terrorist operations. Posted by: jfl | Jan 22 2015 23:04 utc | 179 jfl @ 179 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 23 2015 0:01 utc | 180 @rufus magister #180:
You must be joking. NAF have neither the manpower nor the hardware to go that far. Plus, in western Ukraine, Novorossiyan forces would be seen as occupiers, with all the problems that entails. Demian @ 181 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 23 2015 2:35 utc | 182 *Why is it that people don’t understand that the country needs warriors like Chris Kyle? Posted by: denk | Jan 23 2015 2:50 utc | 183 @121 Posted by: Harold | Jan 23 2015 16:06 utc | 184 Gwynne Dyer on the topic “Arab Spring” (written in early 2014): Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 23 2015 23:33 utc | 185 I watched some of the videos at fort russ and novorossya … this is monstrous. The peoples’ houses destroyed, the winter, the people killed by fascists. Posted by: jfl | Jan 24 2015 1:00 utc | 186 From Wikipedia’s entry on Air Asia Flight QZ 8501: Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 24 2015 1:59 utc | 187 jfl at 186 —
Now that really would be worthy of a Nobel Prize, no? Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 24 2015 2:42 utc | 188 And I’m certainly not happy about this, Ukraine flirts with declaring martial law and a war on Russia. Full of sobering stuff, folks really should take a look. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 24 2015 3:55 utc | 189 the japs are fully on board with the murcunts wot[erro]/wot[yrants] bs. Posted by: denk | Jan 24 2015 4:31 utc | 190 @rufus magister #189: 190 Posted by: denk | Jan 24 2015 5:10 utc | 192 re: rufus magister @189 and Demian @ 191:
When the US invaded Grenada a group of militarist yahoos attempted to hold a celebration rally where I was going to school; you should’ve seen their faces when I heckled from the periphery, “At least when Japan attacked by surprise they took on someone bigger than they were!” Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 24 2015 5:32 utc | 193 Demian at 191 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 24 2015 5:57 utc | 194 @Vintage Red #193:
Cool. I flirted with learning Spanish, which wouldn’t be that difficult, since I learned French in high school. Anyway, Spanish is familiar to me, since I hung around with Spanish girls for a couple of years. That led me to the opinion that Spanish is a more beautiful language than Italian. No experience with Latin Americans, though.
I guess I should have thought of that. Although as I recall there were some American soldiers on the ground – I don’t know why – this war consisted almost completely of US aerial bombardment. Nobody disputes that the US can destroy the armies of third world countries with its air force, if a given army is all in one place. The Iraqis going into Saudi Arabia in that war is an interesting idea, but I think it is like the idea of the Novorossiyan Armed Forces going all the way to Lvov: I just don’t think they had the capacity for that. The way the Germans got around their shortage of manpower was by Blitzkrieg, but I don’t think anyone other than the Germans can do Blitzkrieg. (Now even they can’t do that, having become a US colony.) Demian @ 195 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 24 2015 15:57 utc | 196 And further to my 195 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 24 2015 16:32 utc | 197 The Kurds are shelling Mosul. (it would confirm the news that the Kurds have received (some) heavy weapons from Germany. Seems ISIS is forced to be on the defensive, instead of being on the offensive). Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 24 2015 17:53 utc | 198 News from Yemen: Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 24 2015 18:03 utc | 199 “Kurds (to) receive more advanced weapons”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 24 2015 21:54 utc | 200 |
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