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January 17, 2015
Open Thread 2015-04
(Sorry, no post. A family emergency that requires some travel etc. keeps me busy.) News & views … (..and pleaze behave …)
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Weapons of Paris attacks may have come from volunteer Ukraine batallion
Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2015 19:25 utc | 2 And who arms the ‘Ukrainian volunteer battalions’, hmm? Posted by: L Bean | Jan 17 2015 19:35 utc | 3 Echoing Helena, hope all goes well.
Posted by: Maracatu | Jan 17 2015 21:19 utc | 4 CIA Internal Review Clears CIA Of Senate Hacking Allegations; Claims Senate Improperly Accessed Classified Documents @somebody #2 O@5 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 17 2015 22:58 utc | 9 amusingly on NBC news, in its story on Muslim riots after the publication of the New Charlie Hebdo, mentioned jewish Germans recalling “old fears” implying they might be targets but all you saw was armed German cops outside a building which giving the German Governments role in rounding up Jews in a previous century…… Posted by: heath | Jan 17 2015 23:52 utc | 10 Hi, Posted by: massoud | Jan 17 2015 23:58 utc | 11 Abu Omar Trained by British/US In Georgia
@2 Posted by: jfl | Jan 18 2015 0:13 utc | 13 Israel’s Connection to Syrian Chechens via War in Georgia? O@11 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 18 2015 0:42 utc | 15 3 Posted by: Chip Nihk | Jan 18 2015 0:58 utc | 16 Folks at 13 11 5 2– Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 1:08 utc | 17 Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2015 1:08 utc | 18 Body found at California desert resort is missing AIG exec: police … Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2015 1:12 utc | 19 17 Posted by: Chip Nihk | Jan 18 2015 1:31 utc | 20 http://rt.com/news/223383-rd181-antares-rocket-engine/ Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 18 2015 1:37 utc | 21 20 Posted by: Chip Nihk | Jan 18 2015 1:56 utc | 22 @19 Posted by: x | Jan 18 2015 2:02 utc | 23 And finally a Herzen Institute project, to further the UberMensch’ recent Dark Swastika Event, by market-branding Russia-Iran as the ‘Far Right’ in MSM pan-media, versus the Dark Lords of US/UK/EU/Kiev as the ‘Third Way Freedom Lovers’, this psyop series: Special Project of Institute of Modern Russia Posted by: Chip Nihk | Jan 18 2015 2:08 utc | 24 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 18 2015 3:58 utc | 25 Re Fete’s regular (and welcome) Russian Spring reports. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2015 4:23 utc | 26 @Hoarsewhisperer #25:
After the breakup of the USSR, the Ukraine had no need for a competent military apparatus. And what competent military apparatus it did have was a leftover from the Sovet regime, which the people now in power in Kiev despise. Posted by: Demian | Jan 17, 2015 11:52:37 PM | 26 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2015 5:31 utc | 28 Even the Saker has taken to referring to the army of the fascist junta as “the Ukrainians”. I think that that is counterproductive and obfuscating, since if the people of western Ukraine are Ukrainian (as opposed to Russian), then so are the people of Donbass. Referring to the fascist junta as “the Ukrainians” is to award the fascists a victory. H@27 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 18 2015 5:46 utc | 30 D@28 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 18 2015 5:55 utc | 31 @Wayoutwest #30:
First of all, there is no such thing as a monolithic “the Russians” here. Strelkov speaks for many Russians, but Strelkov and Putin have different approaches to the Ukraine problem. (And yes, Ukraine is a problem, not a country.) D & WOW — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 6:33 utc | 33
I guess the people in the frontlines are the “voluntary” battalions and there might be an unspoken agreement to get rid of them. Posted by: somebody | Jan 18 2015 6:34 utc | 34 S’by at 33 – Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 6:43 utc | 35 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 18, 2015 12:46:32 AM | 29 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2015 6:45 utc | 36 Hoarse @ 35 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 7:08 utc | 37 DEA maintained secret database of Americans’ phone calls
Jesus Christ the American people are just so fucked… by megalomaniacs and the don’t even know. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2015 7:31 utc | 38 COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 18 2015 8:25 utc | 39 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18, 2015 1:43:23 AM | 34
Basically US/Europe is telling Kyiv they will back them if they are prepared to put their lives on the line, same as Russia backs Donbass people who put their lives on the line. Posted by: somebody | Jan 18 2015 8:35 utc | 40 @39 Posted by: jfl | Jan 18 2015 9:18 utc | 41 Van der Graaf Generator has come up in a previous open thread. I just listened to A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. What a time it was, when a band could use a trippy title like that. Very sad news …
‘But here’s the coup de grace for European insolence towards Russia: French President Francois Hollande and his German counterpart Joachim Gauck will be among other European leaders to attend the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camp Auschwitz later this month. The ceremony will be led by Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski.’ Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 11:38 utc | 45 germany wants Russia to return Crimea to ukraine Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 11:39 utc | 46 so nazi germany and Vichy France can attend Auschwitz but not the liberators: russia! Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 18 2015 13:36 utc | 47 The fascist father gives the fascist daughter fits …
Posted by: jfl | Jan 18 2015 14:54 utc | 48 @37
Right… Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 18 2015 15:13 utc | 49 Posted by: jfl | Jan 18, 2015 9:54:33 AM | 47 Posted by: somebody | Jan 18 2015 15:19 utc | 50 Msm doing its thing. Don’t criticize the almighty Israel, if you do say goodbye to your 30 plus year job……disgusting Posted by: notlurking | Jan 18 2015 15:23 utc | 51 There is quite a stirring piece at counterpunch, Republic of Torture, Republic of Terror, evoking the horrors of the fascist Korean governments, made up of collaborators with the Japanese, setup in South Korea by the United States after WW II. Posted by: jfl | Jan 18 2015 15:31 utc | 52 CDH @ 46 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 15:42 utc | 53 @49 Posted by: jfl | Jan 18 2015 15:43 utc | 54 somebody at 39 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 15:49 utc | 55 You do know what the Nazis did in the East, right? Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 18 2015 15:55 utc | 56 CDH at 55 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 15:56 utc | 57 I saw this the other day, reluctant to post, but it shows what the West is trying to perpetuate with its sanctions and arms for the Banderaists. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 16:04 utc | 58 ps to 56 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 18 2015 17:46 utc | 60 Sources: 5 members of Hezbollah including son of Imad Mughniyeh killed in Israeli strike in Syria Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 18 2015 17:51 utc | 61 somebody 61 Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 18 2015 18:55 utc | 63 @Anonymous D@32 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 18 2015 19:38 utc | 65 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 18, 2015 8:36:49 AM | 47 Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 21:23 utc | 66 ‘The Russians of WWII were brutal savages — raping, murdering orcs ephemerally placated with overripe and unready confiscated flesh. Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 21:26 utc | 67 Posted by: somebody | Jan 18, 2015 10:19:21 AM | 50 Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 21:27 utc | 68 ‘I had hoped the resistance forces could have been able to retake the whole country with the help of western Ukraine supporters but the Russians seem to have decided that is not in Russia’s interest. Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 21:29 utc | 69 The two videos are must view: Dr Moussa Ibrahim former spokesman for the Libyan Jamahirya is back (tho not in libya) and telling it like it is. the 2nd video is a Q and A where is answeres questions, one supports Ellen Browns april 2011 as to role of Currency in FUKUSA waging war on Libya; another make plain US embassies tell supposedly sovereign states who can or can nor stay in them (Ibrahim being on the run from Interpol) Posted by: brian | Jan 18 2015 22:43 utc | 70 B@69 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 18 2015 23:05 utc | 71 @Demian, 42: Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 19 2015 0:17 utc | 72 Brian at 69 —
I believe you would find several other public, polit. and milit. figures in Novorussiya and the Federation who long have urged the Peoples Republics “On to Kiev.” It is seen as the only sure way to fully cleanse the western Ukraine from fascism, and it may well be salutary. I’m inclined to agree with WOW at 71, Novorossiyan provinces may not be what they necessarily want, but may be what the Kremlin gets, due to actions en scene. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 19 2015 0:20 utc | 73 The Western Ukrainians seem to be going for broke. If they are defeated again by the Novorussyans it is hard to imagine them being given a a third chance by the US/EU (Germany). Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 0:50 utc | 74 To VR at 72 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 19 2015 0:51 utc | 75 Canadian Minister Scrambles to Safety after Palestinian Egging
Was Canada always like this beneath their facade of ‘the peaceful kingdom’? I suppose they are like the US, the UK, France … always a ready supply of fascists, ready to grab power. Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 0:58 utc | 76 Charlie Hebdo: “Je Suis White People”
And they’re carrying it out most right now … in Palestine, Syria, Iraq, and Ukraine. Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 1:03 utc | 77 @rufus magister #75
I especially like the fog horns bit. When I was in high school, this track was considered to be the ultimate head music. Still gathering up my energies to listen to Godbluff.
This could have been written by the Kremlin. The idea that Russia stands for tradition, which liberalism has more or less destroyed in the West, is a mainstay of the rhetoric of Putin and Lavrov. Some articles of interest: Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 19 2015 3:09 utc | 79 D at 78 — I’ve been posting bits from Russia Insider and Ukraina.ru for a few weeks. Saker helped debut Insider. Ukraina.ru is graphically very interesting, isn’t it? They often have some pretty juicy stuff. As you say, the Federation is picking up it’s PR efforts; gotta keep up with Madison Ave, Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 19 2015 3:34 utc | 80 @Uncle $cam, 39: Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 19 2015 4:18 utc | 81 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 19 2015 5:05 utc | 82 – It seems the Ukraine is preparing for a major offensive in the eastern part of that same Ukraine. But the government is running out of money. If/when that happens then expect to see (more) financial damage/turmoil in the (financial) markets. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 8:20 utc | 83 From Fete’s Russian Spring update of 01.18 …
Isn’t this exactly the Israeli M.O. in Gaza, reimplemented in Ukraine?
Could those ‘diplomats’ be US/Israeli? and could the stream of instructions be going the other way? Certainly the Israelis have open access to all the information to all of the NSA’s information including satellite and gps data and cell phone locations, as of course do the US alphabet agencies themselves. Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 8:22 utc | 84 In addition to post #83: This means that companies are forced to cut back on new drilling & reduce the amount of employees. Some people already call the the disaster in the shale oil/energy bond market the “Subprime Disaster 2.0”. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 8:34 utc | 85 Another thought came to mind: Is it coincidence that Netanyaho ratches up tensions in the Middle East and that the Ukraine is preparing for a new offensive ? There could be plans to coordinate (military) actions in both regions, to start a new war/military offensive actions in both regions at the same time. It could mean that Russia is forced to focus attention on the eastern Ukraine and be forced to not support Assad (supply him with weapons). Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 8:46 utc | 86 Finally the western media starts reporting about the politicians in die Ukraine: The New Ukraine: Rogues, Sexpots, Warlords, Lunatics and Oligarchs | New York Observer Posted by: Fran | Jan 19 2015 10:28 utc | 87 Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19, 2015 3:46:14 AM | 86
The founder of MUAP seems to have tried to found Ukrainian Nationalism on an anti-Polish peasant uprising. Posted by: somebody | Jan 19 2015 10:50 utc | 88 @88 Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 11:07 utc | 89 @88: Interesting links. It’s clear the Ukraine will sink into more & more chaos. “Mission accomplished”, right ? Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 13:37 utc | 90 Very informative article on Manipulation in Paris
Horace Campbell provides the background to understanding the immediate motives of the French ‘elite’ and their role in this vicious propaganda smokescreen. Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 13:57 utc | 91 Quote: Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 14:21 utc | 93 Interesting & thoughtful article regarding the shooting at Charlie Hebdo: Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 14:25 utc | 94 @91 Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 19:36 utc | 95 From a Google ‘translation’ of Colonel Cassad posted by Saker …
With the Democrat neo-cons out of power the Republican neo-cons plan to burn the world … using other peoples’ bodies. Obama, of course, is just following orders. Ukrainian Hospital Hit Amid Escalating Fighting
I wonder when we Americans will realize that there’s been a military doup in our ‘good ole’ US of A? “Capture of Top al-Qaeda Operative Highlights Turkey’s Role in U.S.-NATO Terror Operations” Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 19 2015 20:20 utc | 98 DPR Ministry of Defense: In the last two days AFU lost 700 soldiers and 37 pieces of equipment.
Je suis Donbas. Obama sees himself as Stepan Bandera, apparently. His winter war is most effective against the civilians he’s rendering homeless. Those he does not kill outright. He especially likes to kill children. Women and children, by drone. The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate. Posted by: jfl | Jan 19 2015 20:22 utc | 99 Help me out. Assuming that ISIS is selling oil as their source of funding, how can the distribution logistics be in place if they are subjected to heavy bombardment from US sorties on a daily basis?? Posted by: georgeg | Jan 19 2015 20:26 utc | 100 |
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