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January 15, 2015
Open Thread 2015-03
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Following on nmb’s link, an excellent article by Vicente Navarro on the rise of Podemos, “What is Going on Spain?” Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jan 15 2015 19:47 utc | 2 Further vindication that MoA reporting was way out front of the rest on Israel/AQ cooperation. Al Monitor article reports that Israel was actually “mastermind” of some operations: I’d like to find a rebuttal to PBS’s 1 hour diatribe describing Putin as the primary kleptocrat, purposely running a kleptocracy. Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 15 2015 20:38 utc | 4 http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2015/01/15/saudi-reset-with-iran-is-unavoidable/ Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 15 2015 20:51 utc | 5 4 Posted by: Chip Nihk | Jan 15 2015 20:54 utc | 6 Brad@3 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 15 2015 21:05 utc | 7 Hezbollah ready to respond to Israel strikes on Syria: Nasrallah”
Posted by: somebody | Jan 15 2015 21:14 utc | 8 “Increased amount of cyberattacks in France after Hebdo shooting” Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 15 2015 21:19 utc | 9 Psaki just showed evidence Russians basically rode in in Ukraine. Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 15 2015 21:47 utc | 11 over @CSIS ios a forum on how to regime change russia Posted by: brian | Jan 15 2015 21:48 utc | 12 RT @RT_com ·8m8 minutes ago Posted by: brian | Jan 15 2015 22:06 utc | 13 @KevinRothrock tweeted @iponomarev at @CSISRussia @CSIS giving powerpoint plan for violent regime change in #Russia https://storify.com/MarkSleboda1/kevin-rothrock#publicize … Posted by: brian | Jan 15 2015 22:13 utc | 14 somebody@6 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 15 2015 22:27 utc | 15 “Can you make less noise? We are trying to sleep” What I’d like to see on the cover of #CharlieHebdo pic.twitter.com/WU70j9BL9g Posted by: brian | Jan 15 2015 23:06 utc | 16 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 15, 2015 5:27:17 PM | 15 Posted by: brian | Jan 15 2015 23:07 utc | 17 Obama administration pushes cybersecurity law to expand corporate-government collaboration
Google and Facebook will love this. This is certainly one of the paybacks of the Je sui charlie campaign. I imagine that the UK and the European Unit will follow the lead of the pied piper, as always. @4, The Kremlin Stooge qv is my goto place for Putinnews. Russian/english speakers, from Russia! Serving up the straight dope w/o liberal obfuscation. Many links to a whole nother virtuality. Saker’s ok, but the commentariat is a zoo. Posted by: ruralito | Jan 15 2015 23:28 utc | 19 Damn, I’ve predicted the Strategy of Tension’s attack in Germany, Holland or Sweden and than it was Belgium. Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 15 2015 23:33 utc | 20 okie farmer @ 5: I saw that story last week about the “militant” attempt to penetrate the Saudi border and was skeptical. No one took credit for it. And when you read the reports about it, it sounds more like a screw up rather than a foiled attempt of an ISIS invasion of The Kingdom. Like maybe rather than Saudi border guards waving the jihadis through to Iraq per usual words were exchanged that ended with guns being drawn and fired. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jan 15 2015 23:37 utc | 21 A case of smoke and mirrors http://www.opednews.com/articles/Justice-Hidden-Behind-a-by-Ray-McGovern-CIA_Iaea_Iran_Israel-150115-456.html Posted by: GoraDiva | Jan 15 2015 23:41 utc | 22 Mike Maloney @21 not for long..When a raiding party from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant attacked a Saudi border post last week, it was no mere hit on a desert outpost. Posted by: harry law | Jan 16 2015 0:08 utc | 23 @19 Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 0:37 utc | 24 HL@23 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 0:43 utc | 25 @15 WoW, “seen in public”? How often was that, ever? His latest youtube is one day old. Posted by: ruralito | Jan 16 2015 1:20 utc | 26 R@25 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 2:11 utc | 27 @ NMB # 1: ” And what they fear most, is the probability that the European people will choose to fight and resist united.” Posted by: ben | Jan 16 2015 3:29 utc | 29 Russia has cut off gas to the former Ukraine and is no longer going to use it as a transit country. Typical Russian move: no threats, just action. long rhetorical speeches? Do you mean to say they were “boring” because that’s not what “rhetorical” means. In fact it doesn’t mean anything in this context. It just makes you look like a pompous ass. Posted by: ruralito | Jan 16 2015 4:14 utc | 31 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 16 2015 4:55 utc | 32 Just wanted to tell yall to keep breaking the ptb’s ballz. Peace. Posted by: Really | Jan 16 2015 5:04 utc | 33 R@30 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 5:18 utc | 34 @12 Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 16 2015 5:30 utc | 35 Anonymous at 11 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 16 2015 5:54 utc | 36 @33 Me pretentious? You’re the one using ten dollar words to make yourself sound important. Posted by: ruralito | Jan 16 2015 6:01 utc | 37 Demian@29 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 6:19 utc | 38 @Wayoutwest #37: Charlie Hebdo and the specter of Vichy: From Laval to Hollande
The collaboration this time is with the USA. Pity all the Frenchmen and women mindlessly particpating in the rape of Marianne; or is that mental image finally too much, too Charliesque, for the French themselves? Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 7:17 utc | 40 @okie farmer #5 Posted by: x | Jan 16 2015 10:53 utc | 41 ukrainian-men-are-jumping-ship Posted by: x | Jan 16 2015 11:14 utc | 42 Putin vs Soros Posted by: x | Jan 16 2015 11:20 utc | 43 Here’s the suicidal American consumerist view of … Sorry Charlie. The political line as the ultimate consumer product. Marketing as the epitome of Western ‘civilization’. Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 11:51 utc | 44 Posted by: jfl | Jan 16, 2015 2:17:51 AM | 39 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 16 2015 12:36 utc | 45 Twitter’s an interesting social medium. It’s pretty obvious what its intent was and is. It’s soliciting The Masses to amplify propaganda memes. A quick perusal of who and what is followed most and read the most underscores this. Brilliant in its hiding-in-plain-site transparency. Pursuant to that, the infamous and vaunted Billmon blocked me from following him and from viewing his Tweets — at least viewing them directly per his account. Not that I would have followed him — I wouldn’t. I follow no one. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 16 2015 12:53 utc | 46 Twitter is good for letting people know where you are and what you are up to, whether you are hanging with your homies or out dodging tear gas canisters… but it is not a medium for nuanced discussion of complex issues. Posted by: ralphieboy | Jan 16 2015 13:03 utc | 47 Twitter is good for letting people know where you are and what you are up to, whether you are hanging with your homies or out dodging tear gas canisters… Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 16 2015 14:21 utc | 48 @Wayoutwest #37: Posted by: notlurking | Jan 16 2015 14:32 utc | 49 I did a bit of more digging and Wayoutwest maybe right after all…… Posted by: notlurking | Jan 16 2015 14:50 utc | 50 D@38 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 15:32 utc | 51 @49 Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 16 2015 15:34 utc | 52 @50 That’s odd. Bloomberg neglected to mention the restrictive rules in Demian’s link @29. Just Putin being obstructive again as usual. Basically it looks like Russia wants options to passage through Ukraine. Maybe because they cheat. Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2015 16:01 utc | 53 DH@50 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 16:19 utc | 54 http://sputniknews.com/us/20150113/1016855242.html Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 16 2015 16:35 utc | 55 @ 7 wOW Posted by: farflungstar | Jan 16 2015 16:46 utc | 56 * the inevitable collapse of the USSA dollar is baked in the cake. It’s only a matter of time. The question is whether the demonic fiends in Washington, DC will unleash a nuclear hell storm to try to maintain their psychotic grip on power.* [1] Posted by: denk | Jan 16 2015 16:59 utc | 58 FFS@54 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 17:39 utc | 59 5 Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Jan 16 2015 17:42 utc | 60 @57 I think the Saudis were surprised by the steep price drop. They built up huge cash reserves when the price was high so they can ride it out. This is the best article I’ve come across…. Posted by: dh | Jan 16 2015 18:14 utc | 61 Posted by: dh | Jan 16, 2015 1:14:31 PM | 58 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 16 2015 19:02 utc | 62 Little@57 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 20:44 utc | 63 Be interested to read Fete’s sources on …
Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 20:58 utc | 64 NASA: 2014 Hottest Year on Record
Shivering here in Chiangrai for the second co-o-o-o-ld (for the tropics) winter here in a row I suppose I ‘should’ call NASA/NOAA liars. But I don’t imagine they’re lying. I do imagine that the effects of arctic warming are ‘counter-intuitive’, as the unintuitive like to say. Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 21:13 utc | 65 IS, ISrael, Nusra Front and “the moderates”: New Era of Cuba-US Relations Begins, telesur.net Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 21:34 utc | 67 Sorry, I messed up the link to Phil Agee : The Descent of the US; the Rise of Latin America Posted by: jfl | Jan 16 2015 21:37 utc | 68 K@63 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 16 2015 22:20 utc | 69 @62 jfl 33 celius here on the west side of malaysia… seems hot to me at the moment.. Posted by: ..james | Jan 17 2015 0:07 utc | 70 @67 Posted by: jfl | Jan 17 2015 0:58 utc | 71 After its stunning success in Paris, testified to by its rave revues – Je suis Charlie – the US Plans to Train 5000 Syrian Militants Despite Europe Attacks. Posted by: jfl | Jan 17 2015 1:56 utc | 72 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 17 2015 2:12 utc | 73 while the heat seem to be on russia right now, a deadly war waged on china has been going on relentlessly.. Posted by: denk | Jan 17 2015 2:16 utc | 74 Two interesting items today from Russia Insider.
A dumb war by a dumb people doing dumb things. Great.
To to return again to Zappa & the Mothers’ Just Another Band from LA — “Questions, Questions, Questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned young person today. Ah, but it’s a great time to be alive, ladies and gentlemen.” Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 17 2015 2:40 utc | 76 errata to 73 — Chris Martenson, of Peak Prosperity Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 17 2015 2:42 utc | 77 Speaking of demonic, Steve Gowans has published a 65-page PDF critique titled Plutocracy Promotion which, as one might expect, covers a lot of ground (definitely not for the squeamish or faint hearted). Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 17 2015 2:44 utc | 78 Hoarsewhisperer Posted by: denk | Jan 17 2015 3:03 utc | 79 in re gas to the Ukraine — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 17 2015 3:46 utc | 80 RU@16 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 17 2015 4:12 utc | 81 Posted by: denk | Jan 16, 2015 9:16:32 PM | 71 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 17 2015 4:15 utc | 82 This slide shows that Russia provides 44% of EU gas, not the 30% that is often quoted… Posted by: GoraDiva | Jan 17 2015 5:08 utc | 83 We’re in the era of plutarchy (the rule of wealth, combination of plutocracy and oligarchy is called plutarchy)… very good article on the way out of it (maybe): http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/28505-richard-wolff-on-the-greek-crisis-austerity-and-a-post-capitalist-future Posted by: GoraDiva | Jan 17 2015 5:24 utc | 84 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 17 2015 6:21 utc | 85 Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 16, 2015 10:46:17 PM | 77 Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2015 7:53 utc | 86 @81: “The[y] are trying to make a deal; but after almost an year of war we got it – they can not be trusted, therefore,…” — well, that is progress, at least. Posted by: x | Jan 17 2015 8:26 utc | 87 Hearing in the French Senate, Dezember 17, 2014 on operation Chammal in Iraq
Short translation: The United States created this monster (ISIS). Other actors have contributed – some of them declared friends of the West, for short term political profit, out of indifference or free will, have contributed. But it is mainly the United States who are responsible. Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2015 9:12 utc | 88 Europe’s ‘Minority Report’ Raids on Future Terrorists
I didn’t read the whole article. The prophylactic nature of the arrests is all I need to know. Arresting ‘future terrorists’. I’m sure they are not arresting the ones they have trained and have ‘use’ for. Just the ones they have the ‘look’ of terrorists.
Read the text immediately following detailing how Judge Collen McMahon testified to FBIs unconscionable crimes in the case or James Cromitie .. and then sent him to prison for 25 years anyway!!!
Use the entrapment to fill the pot of gold on the other side of the revolving door.
Who can say that the FBIs MO is not what went down in the Charlie case – inexactly, because the CIA and/or French ‘security’ had already trained their guys and knew what they were capable of … as in the Boston Marathon case … and let them go through with it … and all for the ‘greater good’ … the revolving door revolution! … and, oh yeah, the total war in the Middle East the US/UK/EU/Israel have in mind. Keep the money flowing to the arms merchants. Posted by: jfl | Jan 17 2015 9:17 utc | 89 @82 Posted by: jfl | Jan 17 2015 9:25 utc | 90 @42 x…. thanks for the link.. interesting conjecture.. any thought on a specific date when putin might call in the ukee loan? Posted by: ..james | Jan 17 2015 9:27 utc | 91 Posted by: jfl | Jan 17, 2015 4:25:15 AM | 86 Posted by: somebody | Jan 17 2015 9:45 utc | 93 @87: “any thought on a specific date when putin might call in the ukee loan?” Posted by: x | Jan 17 2015 10:42 utc | 94 @87: Looks like IMF has the decision point. Jan 29(+1) …? Posted by: x | Jan 17 2015 11:41 utc | 95 There is no war against Russia and China. That’s pure nonsense and propaganda. They’re all gangsters prowling the neighborhood and right now, Vito Corleone (America) is top dog amongst the five families, but Barzini is deliberating and maneuvering for more territory and a bigger slice on his own terms. However it shakes out, it will be gangsters in charge before during and after, with the majority of you dorks rooting for your gangsters. Me, I don’t want any gangsters in the neighborhood, so to me it makes no sense to support one gangster against the other because you’ll just get more of the same if your gangster wins. Also, since gangsters are devils, until you figure a way to eliminate gangsterism, a tall order if we’re not all on the same page, it’s best to relent to the devil you know rather than the one you don’t. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 17 2015 13:01 utc | 96 xxxx…. thanks x.. Posted by: ..james | Jan 17 2015 13:36 utc | 97 Cold N. Holefield 92 Posted by: denk | Jan 17 2015 15:04 utc | 99 “it’s best to relent to the devil you know rather than the one you don’t.” Posted by: ben | Jan 17 2015 15:50 utc | 100 |
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