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January 8, 2015
Open Thread 2015-02
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Sakar today (excerpt): Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 8 2015 19:21 utc | 1 Sorry, forgot the link: Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 8 2015 19:27 utc | 2 No, The Saker is not Charlie, he’s worse than Charlie. The Saker is Charlie if Charlie took its act to Yemen and set up shop there, or Iraq, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia or the UAE or any other Muslim country. Charlie is not The Saker because Charlie isn’t stupid enough to piss off Muslims in their own home as The Saker does with Americans in America. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 8 2015 20:20 utc | 3 Lawmakers named transsexuals a major factor for car accidents. Yes, you’re right – this is Russia, 21st century. Posted by: Ulster | Jan 8 2015 20:33 utc | 4
Canards . . . Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 8 2015 20:45 utc | 6 @6 – I read that as well, and not to sound whatever, but those were among my thoughts as this event unfolded. Lots of typical “hot button” talking points, some of which mimic the recent ridiculousness surrounding that pathetic “comedy” from Sony & the alleged hack by DPRK. Posted by: RUKidding | Jan 8 2015 20:52 utc | 7 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 8, 2015 3:45:23 PM | 6 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 8 2015 21:32 utc | 9 Russian Crimea Still Ecstatic, Hopeful for the Future Posted by: brian | Jan 8 2015 21:36 utc | 10 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 8, 2015 3:20:36 PM | 3 Posted by: brian | Jan 8 2015 21:36 utc | 11 Why WOULDN’T the CIA et al in Syria, Jordan, etc send recent ‘warriors’ on a Charlie Hebdo style mission? It’s all hardly precedent-setting behavior for US imperialism and spookery. Mike Morrell was practically salivating with nostalgia when he was called on to analyze yesterday’s attack on CBS. Posted by: L Bean | Jan 8 2015 22:32 utc | 13 @ 3 Posted by: ee | Jan 8 2015 23:39 utc | 14 Although to be fair the US would be fair game to anybody in the world, because it exercises power over everybody in the world. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 9 2015 0:03 utc | 15 “So now let’s talk seriously about #CharlieHebdo and Western double standard on freedom of speech” Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 9 2015 0:08 utc | 16 Cold…… You sure say a lot for someone with nothing to say! Posted by: ..james | Jan 9 2015 0:11 utc | 17 17 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 0:26 utc | 18 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-080115.html
Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 9 2015 0:35 utc | 19 @ 17 Posted by: ee | Jan 9 2015 0:51 utc | 21 20 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 0:52 utc | 22 I highly recommend taking 40 minutes out of your life this weekend, to watch this: Sen. Feinstein Accuses CIA of Searching Congressional Computers Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2015 1:18 utc | 23 U$ at 23 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 9 2015 1:54 utc | 24 Speaking of humor, I have a very apropos suggestion. I’ve not been on this site in a while, which I suddenly regret. Not only quite droll, it is spot on about theology as well, and as you will see, quite ecumenical. I give you the further adventures of “Jesus and Mo'”. Please note today’s posting “Nous Sommes…” especially, either at their main page here or image itself “here. Be sure to sample the Random Comic button in the upper left. Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 9 2015 2:08 utc | 25 Ulster @ 4 Posted by: J. Bradley | Jan 9 2015 2:24 utc | 26 @23 Thanks, Unlce $cam. Listened to it. The CIA never quits their games. And I don’t suppose they ever will until they get worse than a tongue-lashing from the Congress. Posted by: guest77 | Jan 9 2015 2:27 utc | 27 @JoshRogan/MasterOfSockPuppets – It sure does get boring to have to hear you call yourself “smart” for the millionth time as you dribble out same mediocre, tired horseshit again. We sat through your sockpuppet show yesterday, are you going to make us sit through it today again? Posted by: guest77 | Jan 9 2015 2:27 utc | 28 Conspiracy theories….communists,lol….now incompetence theories…the language says it all…. Posted by: ..james | Jan 9 2015 2:36 utc | 29 People like Ulster will believe anything so long as it gives them that little tingle of hatred. Posted by: guest77 | Jan 9 2015 2:37 utc | 30 @ 3: Actually, the only thing that pisses off Americans (USA), is their flat screens losing signal in the middle of the NFL playoffs. Posted by: ben | Jan 9 2015 2:40 utc | 31 Re: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 8, 2015 3:20:36 PM | 3 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 9 2015 3:21 utc | 32 One could be forgiven for assuming that (multi-tasking) Cold imagines herself as a sort of Girl Who Kicked The Hornet’s Nest. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 9 2015 3:33 utc | 33 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 9 2015 4:10 utc | 34 Billmon tweets: Posted by: samo samo | Jan 9 2015 4:49 utc | 35
Hoarsewhisperer @ #33 Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 9 2015 4:52 utc | 36 TYT video misreporting critical issue Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jan 9 2015 4:59 utc | 37 http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/01/open-thread-2015-01.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b8d0b996f0970c Posted by: denk | Jan 9 2015 5:20 utc | 38 Don’t know if there is any gumption left hereabouts to sort through the Bush-era torture horror show. Did see a mid-December MOA post from which I pulled the poll links shared in the following (nod to B and Jackrabbit @ 13 on that thread). Posted by: Robert Lyons | Jan 9 2015 6:09 utc | 39 Excellent Pepe Escobar article…whoever recommended it above. Posted by: MRW | Jan 9 2015 8:01 utc | 40 For anyone interested, I have transcribed and posted The Company and the Country, Part II, the second half of Frank Morrow’s interview with Phil Agee from November, 1995. Posted by: jfl | Jan 9 2015 8:15 utc | 41 @39Mrw…ditto…that was neretva @19. There was even a good line in that for describing the cold one. Posted by: ..james | Jan 9 2015 10:33 utc | 43 28 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 11:33 utc | 44 Actually, the only thing that pisses off Americans (USA), is their flat screens losing signal in the middle of the NFL playoffs. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 9 2015 11:38 utc | 45 1 Posted by: ChipNikh | Jan 9 2015 11:51 utc | 46 Charlie Hebdo police officer shooting zoomed in – cop head-shot in slow mo – no blood Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 12:10 utc | 47 Hostage situation in Paris-east @Kosher Market, two persons killed. The troll conflates rap music as “western” – which is symptomatic of its ongoing delusions on knowledge. Rap music is one of the chosen forms of expression of urban ghetto blacks used to express anger at their societal repression, now popularized by the usual middle class teenager desire to make their parents’ angry. Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2015 13:56 utc | 49 Rap music, especially gangsta rap variant so heavily marketed and exported by the music moguls over the past 20 yrs or so, is 100% “Western” and is the Systems chosen perfect antidote to the much more socially-aware Black urban Ghetto music which preceded it Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 14:12 utc | 50 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9, 2015 7:10:04 AM | 46 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 9 2015 14:13 utc | 51 Bobby Womack – Across 110th Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzRJgZG98I Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 14:16 utc | 52 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9, 2015 9:12:07 AM | 49 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 9 2015 14:30 utc | 53 Cole N Holefield posted: “Charlie is not The Saker because Charlie isn’t stupid enough to piss off Muslims in their own home as The Saker does with Americans in America.” Posted by: Chan Pooi Hoong | Jan 9 2015 14:42 utc | 54 No comment! Posted by: Rd. | Jan 9 2015 14:48 utc | 55 @ RJ 51: Thanks, nice trip into contrasting social comments. Sign, no doubt, in how times change. Not, IMO, always for the better. Posted by: ben | Jan 9 2015 14:53 utc | 56 If this was an inside job, as snakearbusto indicated on the previous thread and I did as well earlier in that thread, Charlie pissed off a lot of people, most especially the French establishment to include the hard Right. If it was an inside job, the hard Right has a long memory in the long game and chose this time to strike while its iron is hot for maximum leverage. As such, it would have nothing to do with America since as we all know, America is about what Charlie Hebdo is about, or at least it is on paper some of the time. It’s more likely that if this operation was a joint effort by two or more countries, France’s hard Right was working hand & glove with Russia to bring this about. Russia would have the most to gain from aiding France’s hard Right in this endeavor. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 9 2015 14:56 utc | 57 Case in point. I’m sure she and the thugs she surrounds herself with were none to pleased with this. Zealots of any stripe don’t take kindly to any version of satire other than their own — the few of their ilk who are even capable of comprehending and/or crafting satire. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jan 9 2015 15:28 utc | 59 the murcunt empire of chaos is on a roll. Posted by: denk | Jan 9 2015 15:36 utc | 60 Hostage crisis ends! 3 – Sourgrapes from an angry kook. You wish your silly blog had even 1/3 of the readers Saker has. Posted by: farflungstar | Jan 9 2015 17:15 utc | 63 Hostage crisis in jewish supermarket: Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 9 2015 17:30 utc | 64 Lol now I read that there is a 3rd, yes 3rd hostage taking just beginning after the other finished ones. (RT.com) Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 9 2015 17:38 utc | 65 I’m surprised there haven’t been more islamist terrorist attacks, in view of the propaganda, hate, that has been spewed by the MSM since before 9/11 – remember those souless, inhuman, monstrous, Palestinian suicide bombers! Posted by: Noirette | Jan 9 2015 17:49 utc | 66 Sad news from France24 … http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/06/world/europe/francois-hollande-says-destabilizing-sanctions-on-russia-must-stop-now.html?mabReward=A6 Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 9 2015 18:29 utc | 68 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/08/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting.html?_r=1 Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 18:33 utc | 69 “former deputy director of the C.I.A. and now a consultant to CBS News” Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 9 2015 18:34 utc | 70 Reese Erlich: “New Iraq war is doomed” Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 9 2015 18:36 utc | 71 How can that be? Does the Mossad share the no-fly list of the DHS? At least the US knew the Kouchai brothers traveled to Yemen, likely for a AQAP meeting/training. The French DGSE said they didn’t know. Did the Nigerian kid travel to Yemen before the Christmas bomber traveled from Lagos, Nigeria to Detroit through Amsterdam Schiphol airport with Israel security ICTS running business there. See my diary for all the news about the Paris attack and the hostage crisis – Paris Attack: ‘Martyrs of Liberty’ ¶ HOSTAGE CRISIS ENDS. @Noirette, 64: Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 9 2015 19:27 utc | 74 This website dates back in my memory to being an alternative to the corporate media during the Iraq war, and b has done a magnificent job with keeping it relevant to the ongoing ‘war of terror’. It’s gotten to the point now to where I can’t read the comments without scrolling through where Cold Handjob has shot his wad (numerous times). Sad. Posted by: Jim T | Jan 9 2015 20:16 utc | 75 “Then the US government will have foot the bill for those foreign military adventures for the full 100% (again). And then the US government WILL be FORCED to make some dramatic & deep (financial) cuts.” Posted by: ruralito | Jan 9 2015 20:42 utc | 76 If Paris attack had occurred in Moscow, would the gunmen be hailed as “freedom fighters” by the West? Posted by: Andoheb | Jan 9 2015 20:44 utc | 77 Now find the bitch that escaped a put a bullet between her eyes. Posted by: samo samo | Jan 9 2015 21:13 utc | 78 http://www.globalresearch.ca/false-flagging-the-world-towards-war/5421649 Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 9 2015 22:30 utc | 80 Glenn Greenwald is in fine form.
The article then goes on to show several cartoons drawing attention to Jewish control over the United States, and asks whether journalists who “defended” free speech by celebrating the Charlie Hebdo islamophobic cartoons are willing to do the same when it comes to such cartoons about Israel and Jews. 71 Posted by: ChipNikh | Jan 9 2015 23:14 utc | 82 Is there no end to horseshit?
So anybody who thought the False Flag attack on CH changes the imperial plan to overthrow the legitimate Syrian government and replace it with either a Takfiri regime or neverending NATO terrorist war, should now know better. Posted by: Lysander | Jan 9 2015 23:39 utc | 83 @Lysander #83: The title refers to the ‘big fish’, but the article details the attacks on Argentina, Venezuala, and Greece as well … and of course they are demonstrated nakedly in Ukraine …
Posted by: jfl | Jan 10 2015 0:05 utc | 85 Demian Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 10 2015 0:09 utc | 86 77 Posted by: ChipNikh | Jan 10 2015 0:19 utc | 87 The West has repeatedly said that it does not want to collaborate with Syria on the whereabouts of the hundreds of westerners who have joined the fighters through accomplice Turkey, funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and trained by the CIA. Posted by: Virgile | Jan 10 2015 0:25 utc | 88 @Anonymous #86:
Definite case of blowback. Interesting video, here: http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/Dinardo/FAKE%20PARIS%20SHOOTING%20BLANKS%20Jan%207th%202015%20FRENCH%20SATIRE%20With%20Slow%20Motion.mp4 Posted by: neretva43 | Jan 10 2015 1:18 utc | 90 The wallets were left in one of the vehicles used in the terror spree. Haven’t we seen the same mo before? September? 2001? Posted by: Alberto | Jan 10 2015 1:30 utc | 91 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeeFxA_9nA Posted by: neretva43 | Jan 10 2015 1:55 utc | 92 The wallets were left in one of the vehicles used in the terror spree. Haven’t we seen the same mo before? September? 2001?
Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 10 2015 1:56 utc | 93 “Charlie Hebdo’s editor-in-chief Gerard Biard remarked he didn’t “understand how people can attack a newspaper with heavy weapons. A newspaper is not a weapon of war.” Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 10 2015 2:06 utc | 94 Germaine was apparently the Posted by: Rogan Josh | Jan 10 2015 2:21 utc | 95 arnold toynbee Posted by: denk | Jan 10 2015 2:49 utc | 96
Posted by: neretva43 | Jan 10 2015 3:20 utc | 97 After rhapsodizing on Enlightenment and the nature of satire, it’s back to our regularly scheduled programming —
Mobilization of additional reservists and conscripts suggests war is likely one way or the other. Hawk’s comments here are worth a look.
Here’s where Hawk’s Translator’s Note shifts metaphors. Maybe we’ll get a two-fer, fire and putsch!
So with apologies to Mel Brooks —
Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 10 2015 3:44 utc | 98 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Jan 10 2015 4:02 utc | 99 errata to 98 — Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 10 2015 4:04 utc | 100 |
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