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January 04, 2015

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Remember the other Color Revolution?

Posted by: Amar | Jan 4 2015 17:42 utc | 1

I believe RusVesna is highly respected here, so here is a nice piece from Igor Strelkov who compares LNR activities against "Batman" to the "worst traditions of 90's gangster wars" and advised that other commanders "follow his route", that is flee to Russia.

Posted by: Ulster | Jan 4 2015 20:28 utc | 2

The New York Times has just published a story which seeks to undermine criticism of the Ukraine coup linked to the aborted mediated agreement reached shortly before Yanukovych and his deputies were forced to flee. According to this new revisionist version, the agreement was a minor and irrelevant footnote since the security services had already stood down thus undermining the standing government. As well, according to the Times journalists, that Yanukovych agreed to the mediated settlement served only to demoralize his political supporters since the agreement somehow meant that Yanukovych had threw in the towel.

No where is it mentioned that the security services were ordered to stand down under threat of legal and economic sanction by the U.S. What is described, interestingly, is that U.S. ambassador Pyatt held a personal meeting with coup leader Andriy Parubiy while the EU mediation session was ongoing. Description of events as a coup is painted as simply Russian spin designed to justify aggression and that "few outside the Russian propaganda bubble ever seriously entertained the Kremlin’s line."

Posted by: jayc | Jan 4 2015 21:06 utc | 3

This is the job of the editors at the New York Times - provide the intellectual cover for US state crimes.

History has been completely turned on its head by use of the blaring bull horns of the US media. This has always gone on, but lately something important has changed. It seems as though there is no one left on "the inside" that has even a hint of integrity. Following the massive media consolidation, I suppose it was a simple matter to rout out anyone with a conscience. After all, the smaller the organizations, the less of those pesky people you need around to do things. People that might dare to think.

We're in a very bad trap at this point. I used to believe the internet would open things up, but more than ever I think it is closing things off. We like to think that there are all these new internet outlets - but the fact is they are owned by the same big companies for the most part, or they are small, esoteric outfits which have either been co-opted or were started for the specific purpose of being a "new media" outlet for the establishment (VICE Media is a good example of this).

Many had great hopes for The Intercept but that has turned out to be what many had feared: a complete disaster in which Omidyar's millions have turned out to be more of a hinderance than a help. All the time spent on "setting things up" and "building the organization" turned out, it seems, to just waste precious time and to delay the exposure of the Snowden documents than anything else.

We all knew Greenwald was no Assange - we just didn't know how much he was no Assange. Now we know. But then that's why Assange is pinned down by the police forces of the UK, and Greenwald is free to attend parties and receive adoration in the US. Greenwald's priorities are screwed up and always have been, as far as I can tell. He is a careerist. Assange is a revolutionary.

Assange's latest talks - you should look for them on YouTube - are very interesting. He's been talking a lot about actual tactics used to defeat NSA surveillance and even personal security. I don't agree with all of his ideas, but to my mind he is ther real iconoclast. People can talk about his early attempts to get money from Freedom House, and his initial mission statement that focused on China and Russia: the fact is he has done more to attack the US than other country, and is regularly praised by outlets like RT and TeleSur for doing so - which is why he is locked down in an London embassy.

Places like MoA are extremely valuable of course - very influential among dissidents and critical thinkers - but we need more ways to reach the general public.

Because never has propaganda had such a deep reach into people's consciousness.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 4 2015 22:52 utc | 4

To show the role of the "intellectuals" of the Empire:

Watergate burglar and long-time CIA agent E. Howard wrote his memoirs, in which he gave much credence to the ideas that Kennedy was killed by people inside the US Government. Hunt is certainly one of the most important figures of post-war US history - he ran the coup in Guatemala, he was instrumental in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and he was, of course, involved in the Watergate burglary. Here is the reaction of "intellectuals" at the major newspapers:

...Tim Weiner of The New York Times wrote: a work "in a long tradition of errant nonsense" and "a book to shun". Joseph C. Goulden of The Washington Times ... summarized his review: "I wish now that I had not read this pathetic book. Avoid it."

Here you have two "intellectuals" basically telling people NOT to read the memoirs of one of the key figures of US post-war history. Two men basically repeating themselves: "Avoid it" "Shun" it. This is ridiculous. Wether you believe Kennedy was killed by Oswald all by himself or not - what kind of "intellectual" tells people not just to make up their own minds, but to shut their minds off from any more investigation without coming up with a counterstatement - just to say "ignore this" - is bizarre. Which is not to say one should simply take Hunt at his word.

More than ever, I'm realizing that much of being an American - a "good" American, not far distance from those famous "good" Germans - is to be able to simply pretend you do not know things. To pretend you have not heard things, and to make a habit of ignorance. How else to survive in a country that regularly engages in murder and aggression? How else to collect your big salary from the major newspapers, send your children to private schools - when everyone in the social circle is looking for reasons to cut one another out of the action?

The modus operandi of the CIA - "plausible deniability" - is not just a tactic of America, it is our way of life. There is something bizarre in this and deeply unsettling about living in a country whose intellectuals profess with every ounce of commitment in their hearts - the glaring hypocrisies of our leaders.

This was new to me, and its worth what it is - in 2008 when Hunt was dying, he made some audio tapes about his role in the Kennedy Assassination - he pointed the finger directly at LBJ and members of the CIA like Cord Meyer, whom Kennedy had taken the wife of as his mistress.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 4 2015 23:34 utc | 5

Defence Ministry of the DPR: Armoured Forces of Ukraine shelled populated districts of Donetsk

Artillery salvos were heard nearly in all the districts of Donetsk. UAF started shelling of populated areas of the capital of the DPR, it was reported in the press service of the Defence Ministry.

‘Not positions of the DPR are being aimed today, but peaceful districts. Particularly, Kievskiy, Petrovskiy and Kuybyshevskiy districts are targeted’, it was pointed out in the department.

Dates concerning victims are being determined.

Good thing it's not spring, when the war will start 'in earnest'.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 4 2015 23:39 utc | 6


"Who Rules America Today? The Triumph of the Corporate Rich"
by G. William Domhoff, UC Santa Cruz


Presented as the 28th Annual Faculty Research Lecture of the Santa Cruz Division of the Academic Senate of the University of California — April 27, 1994.


This interview, about Bill's first 30 years of doing power structure research, took place on the UC Santa Cruz campus in spring of 1994, on the occasion of his "retirement" — i.e., his transition from full-time Professor to a Research Professor who teaches a course or two per year.


A half-hour video about Bohemian Grove, the Bohemian Club's summer encampment in Monte Rio, California. G. William Domhoff shares facts, photos, and sociological research — and dispels conspiratorial myths. (Recorded in 1994.)

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 4 2015 23:57 utc | 7

The British Aristocracy were all closet fascists, on Hitler's side, the last time around. Except their King, who didn't bother to stay in the closet.

Does anyone think that any blond-haired, blue-eyed fascists will be discovered among the child terrorists?

'Everyone is someone else's Jew' said Primo Levy. Although it was his Italian interlocutor who finished the thought, '... and the Palestinians are the Israeli's Jews'.

Those who follow Islam are the 'AngloZionists' ' Jews, as the Saker would say. All the cross-eyed, five-eyed, hyphenated Anglos agree.

And it's the German Pegida following the Anglo example this time out.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 5 2015 0:04 utc | 8

@ 4: This fairly new outfit may be one exception. So far, a good source for alternative opinions and information here in the US.

Posted by: ben | Jan 5 2015 2:59 utc | 9

To guest77.
You will never be free, unless you learn who are you.
"I'm realizing that much of being an American...". Mi son is as american as you, however being 6 year old he knows what's his country. Contrary to an adult like you, he knows that he is peruvian, which makes him as american as you. To use the name of the continent as a designation of your nationality makes you an imperialist, which doesn't rime well with freedom.
By the way, don't try to give me a lesson on this matter cause i am Basque. My people lived on europe, probably, milenia before your ancestors left asia or africa to take our lands.
Nevertheless, i'd like to congratulate b for this great website. Hope you don't change and you keep providing us with your impresive insight. Thank you sincelery. Cheers.
Aupa Naparra ta lege zaharrak.

Posted by: Naparra | Jan 5 2015 3:16 utc | 10

quote from RT news service.

"There is something wrong with Ukraine,” the Czech Republic's leadertold radio F1 on Sunday. “Yesterday evening I was browsing the Internet and discovered a video showing the demonstration on Kiev’s Maidan on January 1.”

“These demonstrators carried portraits of Stepan Bandera, which reminded me of Reinhard Heydrich,” Zeman said referring to one of the main architects of the Holocaust and at the time a Reich-Protector of Czech Republic’s territories.

“The parade itself was organized similar to Nazi torchlight parades, where participants shouted the slogan: ‘Death to the Poles, Jews and communists without mercy,”Zeman explained.

good for zeman.. when do we expect a colour revolution in czech now? if the european leaders can't be forced to walk in lockstep, they will have to be given the colour revolution treatment.. orban, and next zeman.. all for something that is the opposite of emancipation and a modern day version of slavery thanks corporations (financial and etc) without borders..

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2015 4:23 utc | 11

A series of interviews with Norman Finkelstein, a tireless advocate for Palestinian rights.

Interesting and informative in a video format.

Posted by: ben | Jan 5 2015 4:45 utc | 12

Russian Spring


Chairman of the Parliament of Novorossia Oleg Tsaryov: The US playing with “Svoboda” (“Freedom”):

In the aftermath of “Maidan” many criticized the performance of Ukrainian Security Service (USS) of the times of Yanukovich (former Ukrainian President). In my opinion the criticism is not warranted.

Gathered information was comprehensive. It was furnished to the President. Decisions were the President’s prerogative. And on many issues decisions were more than strange.

For example, to bribe some leaders – strongmen of “Maidan”, to vacate number of seized administrative buildings, designated money was in such quantity that for a hundredth an enforcement unit like “Alpha” would carry protesters by hands outside Kiev region.

USS agents tracked down how the sum was split and stashed around Kiev. The deal allowed to temporary free some buildings. A passage through Kreschatik (the central square) was cleared. But then, a part of the sum was spent to support further protest actions of “Maidan! Yet the most of the sum remained with the “Maidan” leaders.

A desire to solve problems through clandestine bribery – clearly idiotic – but, to then leaders of the State, it seemed ingenious.

The mobile conversations of leaders of opposition parties and significant activists were surveyed entirely. Changing phones periodically did not help.

The special services were fully aware of situation in seized buildings. In principle, “Maidan” might arrange for pickets at a number of SSU offices to spy out the visitors arriving with evening reports daily.

USS periodically briefed the President of meeting of Yatsenyuk, Tyanibok and Klichko. What seemed odd, the most weighed position was Tyanibok’s. He had his faction, electorate; he was wary of risk. Yatsenyuk was antigovernment but was afraid, therefore, demanded increasing foreign pressure on Yanukovich. Klichko called for seizures and storms.

Nevertheless, Tyanibok, having lost the election, gave up a status of a leader of parliament party.

This mainly happened because in the radicalized society he was perceived insufficiently radical. Additionally, the launched project “Praviy Sector” attracted some voters of “Svoboda” (“Freedom” – Tyanibok’s party).

In the light of humiliating failure in the parliamentary election, under colleagues’ pressure, Oleg Tyanibok promised to resign as the party leader. At the same time, he will do the most to be reelected at a party conference in January.

Outcome of the conference is uncertain. The American Embassy is betting on A. Il`enko. Tyanibok is not as radical and anti-Russian as they want see. Besides, Tyanibok retains connections with people from Yanukovich entourage. Il`enko was promised an assistance including financial.

In December Il`enko met US Embassy representatives three times, two times –representatives of Canadian Diaspora.

The American policy in Ukraine is to watch the exchange of pro-American politics for even more pro-American.

What is regretful that among the government elite in Ukraine there only those who represent the US. There are neither proponents of friendship with Russia nor ones who represent and care of interests of the people of Ukraine.

Posted by: Fete | Jan 5 2015 5:07 utc | 13

@Naparra "To use the name of the continent as a designation of your nationality makes you an imperialist,"

Your absolutely correct - though I'd hate to think the inappropriate use of one word can make me an "imperialist" in the face of all the other words I've written against that very thing.

It's true, of course what you said - at least the part about it being ridiculous for USAians (thanks Rowan) to claim a continent when naming themselves. But I'm not sure that it is more of a vice than to go around accusing people of being "an imperialist" for the misuse of one word.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 5 2015 6:35 utc | 14

The American Embassy is betting on A. Il`enko. Tyanibok is not as radical and anti-Russian as they want see. Besides, Tyanibok retains connections with people from Yanukovich entourage. Il`enko was promised an assistance including financial.

Tyanibok is a violent street fighter, a racist, and a Nazi - not "radical enough"?

If they've found someone more radical than Tyanibok, it's hard to imagine what kind of asshole they've found.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 5 2015 6:44 utc | 15

Testing 1, 2, 3....

Posted by: really | Jan 5 2015 7:49 utc | 16

@guest77 #14:

"To use the name of the continent as a designation of your nationality makes you an imperialist,"
For better or worse, USAians are called "Americans". It is not Americans' fault that unlike Russia, which spans eleven time zones and has its own culture the name of which can be used to refer to inhabitants of that country, Americans have no specific culture of their own, being a nation of immigrants (with their country only spanning six time zones, the four for the continental US plus Alaska and Hawaii), so what else can you call them other than invoking the name of the landmass they inhabit?

Also, calling Americans "Americans" is well entrenched in pop culture. Take for example, India by the Psych Furs:

India, India, India, India
India, I'm American, ha ha ha
There is also the outstanding Wim Wenders film The American Friend. So the use of the term "American" to refer to Americans is perfectly legitimate.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 5 2015 8:19 utc | 17

Also, one should not forget Mon oncle d'Amérique. So the term "American" is regularly used by Europeans to refer to Americans.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 5 2015 8:38 utc | 18

ben@12- thanks for the Norman Finkelstein link- wasn't his academic career ruined for his speaking up for Palestinians by that ponce and Mossad agent Alan Dershowitz?

Posted by: Nana2007 | Jan 5 2015 8:48 utc | 19

Posted by: james | Jan 4, 2015 11:23:48 PM | 11

This all follows the second world war map. Zeman, Czechs, Slovaks have Ukrainian nationalists as part of SS Galicia in their history books.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 5 2015 9:04 utc | 20

More on the sudden Western rewriting of history or rather geopolitical silence on historical facts.

I spend in Lviv 3 days from 26 to 29 of September, 2014. So let me be clear: I am a Jew, I live in Israel since 1991, and am a committed Zionist. I have no sympathy for Vladimir Putin. I don’t like what he has done with Russia. And my previous attitude toward him I expressed in my articles (links are in the Russian text). I thought that the fascism that takes place in Ukraine is the marginal phenomenon exaggerated by Russian press. I have visited recently both Kiev and Odessa and didn’t witness it there. But my visit to Lviv has totally changed my point of view. ... In 1991, when I came to Israel and wanted to get into University, we had to take a on history of Jewish people. And we are told about the way German Nazis conducted their genocide through the hands of UPA – Ukrainian Rebellious Army, the Bandera nationalist organization. We’ve been shown documents and photographs, that revealed that the Jews were taken to Baby Yar by UPA soldiers, that Germans shot the Jews together with UPA soldiers, that the guards in Auschwitz were UPA soldiers. And even more, that Germans were mostly organizers, and that the all dirty work was carried out by UPA soldiers. I was told about this not by Soviet Communists but by Israeili Zionists, and these pictures were shown at Jerusalem institute of Holocaust, Yad Vashem. ... As an Israeli, I have a question to my government, to the Jerusalem Museum, to the Wiesenthal’s Center. You who chase the Nazi criminals all over the world… how can you miss the Lviv Nazi Renaissance? Why do I pay you taxes? Don’t you know who Bandera and UPA are? Why didn’t you scream about it all over the world, why didn’t you require the Ukrainian boycott? In 2000 you recalled the ambassador in Austria, only because some neo Nazi came to power in one region and said that under Hitler it was easier to get a job than under current government? He didn’t erect a 20 meter sculpture to Herring? Didn’t call SS people heroes? And yet, we forced this governor to quit politics. What are we so blind toward the events in Ukraine? Let me say something heretical here. Maybe for the members of Israeli Establishment, for all these Holocaust officials – all this Holocaust business is just that – profitable business…. Maybe the Ukrainian Banderites are good partners, they want to join EU and NATO, they are against Russia? TO fight with them means to fight with America? And that’s why their fascism has to be ignored? IF that’s the case, I hate you.

Posted by: somebody | Jan 5 2015 9:16 utc | 21


Speaking on Dershowitz, hes now accused in a case regarding sex with a minor.

"Alan Dershowitz Denies Sexual Assault Allegations As 'A Complete And Total Lie'"

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 5 2015 9:20 utc | 22

In contrast to b's evanescent Moonie-Future-As-A-Russiophile, it should be fairly clear that we're in terminal stage of a JebHillary 'Mindwar', as Toffler put it, the NeoCon Third Way, where the carrion flowers exude scent for the bot flies. Draghi is giving his 'all in and all done' high-sign to the UberMenschen for a Pan-QE bail-in, towards the inevitable syncretic Black Swastica Event.

'Mindwar', of course, is a Full Spectrum Dominance exhortation 365x7x24 that the Cartels are going to Win, and we're going to Die serving them, but no, really, we'll all be Fine, Everything is under Control, we are Triumphally Exceptional, ...or at least I know I am.

'Mindwar' includes, and increasing revolves around, constant domestic psyop, because, as everyone knows by now, the 'Axis of Evil' aren't sheep, and Polo Step and Enduring Freedom were just means to soften up the Zeks anyway, for the Post-2011 Kleptocracy, waiting just until the World Banks can jack into a Perpetual Interest-Only Saigner L'humanité.

It appears we're moving toward a cyborg cell/man mind-fusion anyway, of Blade Runneresque malt-liquor and sponge-bread and binge-watching, where hospice- then elder-care disappear, schools are shut-in, asylums disgorged, and the No Longer Employable Common Man will battle with bindlestiff against the hordes of starving urchins to find a spare straw pallet beside the Crèche de Noël.

Posted by: ChipNikh | Jan 5 2015 10:52 utc | 23

"I believe RusVesna is highly respected here,.."

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Posted by: acrimonious | Jan 5 2015 11:38 utc | 24

@Demian, you're wrong about Mon oncle d'Amérique. The French use "Amérique" to refer to the continent.
Also, your other arguments are not very good either.
America refers to 2 continents, not to a country except to imperialists like yourself.

Posted by: Wolfgang | Jan 5 2015 12:59 utc | 25


To avoid confusion, arrogance and exceptionalism I have for 40yrs referred to the US as Amerika where Amerikans dwell. Many people have criticized me for this heresy but I think it best describes the inhabitants of the belly of the Beast.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jan 5 2015 15:07 utc | 26

Nanna2007 @19: In a word, yes. For me, Dershowitz has shown himself to be 100% dirtbag.

Posted by: ben | Jan 5 2015 15:19 utc | 27

77 on post #5,

Here's some US propaganda that got published it needs a take-down, but I lack the time today. It is in the same vein as your post "Ignore these people, the only truth that matters is contained within "appropriate US propaganda organs"

Posted by: S Brennan | Jan 5 2015 17:13 utc | 28

Hello "b" and commentators,
I'd like to share my latest story:
"Hezbollah's Drug Trafficking: A Mere Propaganda"

Posted by: M. Tomazy | Jan 5 2015 17:28 utc | 29


The French use "Amérique" to refer to the continent.

I don't know why, but the French use Americain the same way Americans do. It may have something to do with the difficulty of saying United Statesians, not really a word, but as Demian does abbreviated it makes sense. Or perhaps the French have simply followed the Americans in that usage. All my French neighbors use Americain, and I've lived here for most of 10 years.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 5 2015 17:41 utc | 30

Roy Gutman:
- When the US left Iraq in 2011 they were hated by everyone. Now the US is back increasing the amount of troops in Iraq to fight ISIS, the US is actually welcomed by several factions in Iraq.
- The REAL danger of ISIS is that it can create in Iraq a breeding ground for terrorists who want to wreak havoc all around the world.
- In that regard US support will help to stabilize Iraq and prevent islamist terrorism spreading all over the world. But supporting the rebels in Syria did precisely the opposite and helped to create ISIS.

Mitchell Prothero, Roy Gutman & Jonathan Landay (all from McClatchy) are regularly interviewed by Scott Horton (the former host of radio).

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 5 2015 18:32 utc | 31

@31 willy2.. another 'make work' project for the military industrial complex, no matter how it gets framed. if it isn't this, it'll be another.. the war on iraq was another one too.. if it isn't one bogeyman, it's another.. this story line gets very redundant, oh and i like the line "In that regard US support will help to stabilize Iraq..." rof!

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2015 18:49 utc | 32

Whenever I read an article in an outlet like the New York Times or the Guardian, I always find myself trying to figure out which sentences or clauses were inserted by editors. Sometimes it's surprisingly easy to tell.

The content of the New York Times article on the February Ukraine rebellion actually supports "the Kremlin's line" and is inconsistent with the editorial color of the piece. For example, the article editorializes that "An investigation by The New York Times into the final hours of Mr. Yanukovych’s rule . . . shows that the president was not so much overthrown . . ." But the article's factual content details what amounts to the forceful overthrow of a president. The editorial color tries to insert a wedge between Yanukovych's allies abandoning him and the armed rebellion and tries to blame Yanukovych's ouster on the abandonment, but of course the armed rebellion and Yanukovych's abandonment cannot be causally separated. Yanukovych was abandoned because of the armed rebellion.

Posted by: ee | Jan 5 2015 19:51 utc | 33


That was my impression of the article as well. Having read the title I was prepared for the NYTs to come in from a totally different, but cohesive, angle. It didn't dispel a coup having taken place. An uncritical eye would passively accept their reasoning though, especially after they mock those who hold a different understanding of the events before the opening of the article gains steam.

Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Jan 5 2015 20:25 utc | 34

NYT reporters Higgins and Kramer wrote a shorter almost identical story last February -- the weapons looted from Lviv were on the way to Kiev and the Berkut security forces were told to stand down by a mysterious deputy interior minister.

In yesterday's story, Higgins and Kramer name the deputy interior minister, a Viktor Dubovik, who has left Ukraine and cannot be located. No doubt he was bought off. The story leaves the distinct impression that U.S. Ambassador Pyatt might have been involved.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jan 5 2015 21:21 utc | 35

Doug Valentine's "The True Relationship Between Crime and Law Enforcement" is terrific. It appeared on the CounterPunch website this past weekend. Valentine tells the story of being a young man long-haired tree trimmer in a small New York town in 1968 when his father opened his eyes to the reality of the "thin blue line." Very well written.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jan 5 2015 23:26 utc | 37

LOL – Holder upholding US Law:

Two men have been charged with conspiring to carry out the violent overthrow of a foreign government, which violates U.S. law. “The United States strongly condemns such conspiracies,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in the statement.

Posted by: Oui | Jan 6 2015 0:04 utc | 38

to Wolfgang at 25 --

Well, to be fair, it was just us when we set the business up in 1787. And this whole imperialism thing didn't blow up until the late 1800's (as a theory, vs. practice). So we're a little stuck on it.

I take your point though, we norteamericanos get a little proprietary about this hemisphere (and largely not for the better). Let's hope the Bolivarians can get it together and demand more of a say. That will give the world a different spin on "American" then.

On a related topic -- MSM is reporting Sen. Menendez as saying the Sen. will not confirm an amb. to Havana. So much for the rapproachment. As I said before, Cubans in So. Fla. too strong in GOP, I don't see Admin. having the cojones to fight them.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 6 2015 0:10 utc | 39

@37 Mike : Fantastic, thanks for that. He's quickly become one of my favorite writers. His book on the Phoenix Program is a must read. He's got a couple hour long interviews up on YouTube. Worth hearing those too.

@21 somebody "I have no sympathy for Vladimir Putin. I don’t like what he has done with Russia."

I agree with the sentiments of the author's piece, but the line I put above - I detest this ridiculous boilerplate "patriotism". Seems like everyone who wants to say "maybe we shouldn't threaten war with Russia" has to start out with some disclaimer like that. It's the lowest form of respectability mongering and groupthink.

It's hard to imagine what he even means. Certainly no one can think the Yeltsin years were a good thing. Considering what Putin inherited - what exactly was the alternative?


As for the American thing - I know it rubs people the wrong way, and I'm big on not doing that (to the right people). So I fully agree, its a term to be avoided, but calling people "imperialists" for that is about the most simple-minded reactions I can think of. After all, we now have stories of US soldiers raping Afghans with dogs (flashbacks to the Kissenger/Pinochet Years in Chile), yet people want to waste time word-shaming Demian. Its a pretty fucking short horse to be riding so high on, but I guess we all need something....

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 6 2015 0:15 utc | 40

I wouldn't be surprised if the Dershowitz allegations were true. The man is one of the world's most immense scumbags. Not the least reasons of which is what he did to Finkelstein.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 6 2015 0:21 utc | 41

@S Brennan - Thanks for the article. That's as nasty a piece of work as it gets. And I only made if it halfway.

This alone:

"Thus the Kremlin preaches non-intervention and sovereignty while defending Assad, yet uses the reverse position to justify the invasion of Georgia and annexation of Crimea. "

From a reporter in the country that "Shock and Awe'd" Iraq over a complete fabrication, and then declared "You just don't in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pre-text".

I mean, for any USAian to play the "hypocrite" card is a bit rich at this point. About as rich as suggesting the US media is somehow "free and fair".

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 6 2015 0:27 utc | 42

Who's Batman? from the Saker
Monday, January 5, 2015

About the murder of Batman

Dear friends,

I want to remind you all that WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS!! (sorry for the "screaming" CAPS). I will be the first to admit to this about myself. Colonel Cassad is doing some stellar reporting about this on his blog, and he also is very very cautious (I don't share Cassad's political views, but I have learned to admire his intellectual honesty and his excellent reporting).

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2015 0:33 utc | 43

@guest77 #40:

Not that it matters, but actually Naparra "word-shamed" you at #10, not me. I just jumped in to say that not just USAians, but also West Europeans, call USAians "Americans". Of course, that in itself doesn't mean that this use of the word "American" is not "imperialist". It could be that the imperialism in question is a collective Western project, not just American. (I find it hoard to take this hypothesis seriously myself.)

In any case, I'm a linguistic conservative, and the use of "American" to refer to Americans is well established. Using political correctness to try to change language reminds me of 1984.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 6 2015 0:51 utc | 44

Who would care what Wolf's opinion of Putin was after she said she was "a committed Zionist?"
Now, if she said she was a committed anti-Zionist Jew, I might at least give a skeptical listen.

Posted by: truthbetold | Jan 6 2015 0:53 utc | 45

Commentary on the infighting in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republic and the assassination of 'Batman':

Posted by: KMF | Jan 6 2015 1:26 utc | 46

Christmas is a time when I realize the number of sheep is actually increasing. Some posts recently have alluded to the fact that the populace of Europe and the Anglo countries are beautifully brainwashed and that even gently challenging the narrative creates anger. A friend who long ago gave up his degree course to join some revolutionary left party is now a staunch Guardianista and supporter of the Luke Harding/Shaun Walker school of fiction and lies (b. noted Walker's treachery on August 15). A former trade unionist who owes everything to his union now gobbles up huge doses of the Economist and lectures me about the "thug" who rules Russia. A friend of my niece who nannies for a Russian oligarch was allowed to go much further than I was, presumably because she was mouthing the opinions of an oligarch - therefore anti-Putin they surmised.
Erstwhile animal rights activists, feminists, vegans, "greens", climate-change-aware people, all of them - in my circle - to a woman or man have swallowed the mainstream take on Syria, Libya, MH17 and the complete works of Ukraine. I even met someone who is in the remote controlled aircraft/demolition brigade on 9/11 but is convinced Putin is embarking on imperial conquest. From LA to Berlin, from Oslo to Madrid, the media message has never ever been so pure and undiluted... and so unchallenged.

Posted by: Lochearn | Jan 6 2015 2:01 utc | 47

@KMF #46:

Thanks for the link. My sense is that that blogger has the correct take on this: it is a case of Thermidor. The Saker in contrast is unusually cautious abut jumping to conclusions. He even leaves open the possibility that Russian special forces were behind this, which I find pretty farfetched. Also, if this is about the fledgeling state of Lugansk gaining a monopoly on violence, as the Irrusianality blogger suggests, then the Saker's use of the word "murder" is tendentious.

Meanwhile, Strelkov is upset that Russia is selling oil and coal to Ukraine on credit again. He wrote that Putin is making mistakes because he is being misled by his inner circle, the strongest criticism of Puin I have seen Strelkov make (in Russian).

Posted by: Demian | Jan 6 2015 2:18 utc | 48

from the Irrussianalty article:
Ukraine currently has a problem with ‘warlords’, local military leaders who pursue their own political agendas and often act in contravention of the law. This is the case both in the part of Ukraine under government control and in the rebel Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR & LPR). Adrian Karatnycky writes in The Washington Post that paramilitary groups, many with extreme political views, ‘threaten Ukraine’s rebuilding’. Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko ‘clearly wants this problem resolved but has been reluctant or unable to act. … Ukraine’s elected leaders can no longer sweep this emerging threat under the rug.’ Karatnycky seems to be suggesting that the government of Ukraine needs its own Thermidor.

The DPR and LPR, meanwhile, have been undergoing a slow moving Thermidor for several months. This began with the August 2014 resignation of the original Minister of Defence in Donetsk, Igor Strelkov, and continued through the elections of Aleksandr Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky as heads of the two rebel republics in November, and on to the resignation of two more commanders, Igor Bezler and Ataman Koznitsky, in December. Now it has taken a violent turn with the death last week of Aleksandr Bednov, a.k.a. ‘Batman’, the leader of a rebel unit in the LPR.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2015 3:12 utc | 49

Demian 48, I think you've got the exactly right take on that blogger piece. I would add that I've not been impressed very much by irrussianalty, until now, last paragraph of the article:

Having determined that a military victory is impossible, Kiev is now pinning its hopes on turning its own territory into a zone of good government and prosperity while blockading the DPR and LPR so that they face economic and social collapse, thereby in the long term convincing the population of Eastern Ukraine to rejoin the rest of the country. Should the leaders of the DPR and LPR succeed in consolidating their republics, this strategy will fail. One suspects, therefore, that in Kiev they are cheering for the Batmans of Eastern Ukraine rather than for the Thermidorians.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2015 3:23 utc | 50

further to 49, 48, 46

From Fort Russ, a statement by the prosecutor in Lugansk on the arrest and further measures to obtain a monopoly of force. All Fighters Who Have Not Joined LPR People's Police Will Be Classified As Members of Illegal Armed Groups. Speaking of the attemption detention of Bednov, "During searches in places of residence of the members of the gang were found a large number of firearms and ammunition, cash and property, previously illegally seized from civilians, and four private homes were returned to their owners. The criminal investigation is ongoing. The facts confirming the illegal activities of detained persons are being established."

Thinking aloud -- can we declare the social revolution over, when it does not seem to have really begun? If we were talking about Mozgovoy, I might consider Thermidor. Seems more like the early purges of the nobles from the revolutionary armies. The very real problem at hand is gaining control over operations, not forestalling social change.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 6 2015 3:32 utc | 51

"attempted detention of bednov" -- still off my game

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 6 2015 3:33 utc | 52

@Demian #44
Languages change. People change. Sometimes changes in languages reflect changes in people's awareness. In my neck of the woods we have long referred to USAns, pronounced U. S. ans, partly for the fun of it.

Posted by: d.l.finn | Jan 6 2015 4:01 utc | 53

Russian Spring


Evening message Information Center of Novorossia:

As the day passed, no significant changes in dislocation of Ukrainian punitive structures were revealed. The heirs of Bandera actively practiced subversion-reconnaissance activities. In some places, in violation of ceasefire agreements, positions of combatants were fired.

In area of Tavricheskoye (26 km to north-east of Mariupol`), mortar fire was directed at positions of Donetsk Republic forces.

In area of Novaya (New) Mar`evka (40 km to north-east of Mariupol`), positions of Donetsk Republic were bombarded by artillery.

Mortars from Andeevka shelled Donetsk Republic positions on north fringes of Donetsk (area of mine Oktyabr`skaya).

Several times mortar and small arms fire was opened toward the airport from settlement Peski.

Following day of fire, calm is observed in the evening.

To forestall Ukrainian provocations in the eve of Christmas, the combatants’ forces relocate hardware and rotate personnel. The frontiers of defense on north and north-west are being enforced. Din of moving heavy vehicles is being heard in several districts.

Posted by: Fete | Jan 6 2015 4:29 utc | 54

@okie farmer #50:

Demian 48, I think you've got the exactly right take on that blogger piece.
I read that Batman took a hard line against the selling of marijuana. Since I imagine that most American progressives are for the legalization of marijuana, I think that alone made Batman an unappealing figure. (Also, his adopting the name of an American comic book figure does not impress. That reminds one of Pussy Riot. Why can't these people use Russian names to call themselves?)

@rufus magister #51:

can we declare the social revolution over, when it does not seem to have really begun?
There has not really been any kind of revolution either in Kiev or in eastern Ukraine. What happened was that there was a coup in Kiev – which just led to the consolidation of power by oligarchs, so that coup was in fact an anti-revolution – which triggered a civil war. Where the Thermidor idea comes in is that some anti-fascist leaders, most notably Strelkov, wanted to march all the way to Kiev. It is that "extremism" which is now being eliminated in the current consolidation of power in Novorossiya. The ambitions for Novorossiya are now very modest: to be a sore in the side of the Ukraine, in the same way that the Ukraine is a sore in the side of Russia. Ukraine is the anti-Russia; Novorossiya is the anti-Ukraine. Yuri Orlov has written about this, expanding on ideas of Nikolai Starikov (in Russian).

Posted by: Demian | Jan 6 2015 7:45 utc | 55

Quotes of note:

"Right now we have the executive branch making a claim that it has the right to kill anyone, anywhere on Earth, at any time, for secret reasons based on secret evidence, in a secret process undertaken by unidentified officials. That frightens me." This is how Rosa Brooks, a Georgetown professor and former Pentagon official under President Obama, explained the US policy on drone strikes during a congressional hearing last year.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 6 2015 8:06 utc | 56


Thanks for the assessment. Sounds as though you're speaking from personal experience of European and North American attitudes : fear and paralysis.

People're putting on their war faces.

They're all invested in the status quo, or think they are, or want to be ... and the bottom's falling out, and they know it.

They're desperately banking on war and $trife to ... if not pull their chestnuts out of the fire, at least to keep them afloat 'til 'something turns up' ... they hope they'll sink more slowly with than without war and $trife ... a mindless recipe for more war and more strife.

With the amount of war and strife at large already ... more, and more, and more ... will surely get out of hand at some point, and then the Real War will be for keeps. Just like before, WW I & WW II; or else, the 'unthinkable'.

Looks like that's what we're in for, if no one says 'no' rather 'ok' to their continued slide down the hill. If no one punctures the pipe dreams of all these sleep walkers and wakes them up.

Maybe Russia will sanction the US/EU ... default on their debts and turn off Europe's fossil fuels. Maybe China will buy gold and yuan and rubles with their 3 terabucks in T-bills and KO the USA.

A crashed economy and a new world order beat nuclear winter, or even 'just' a hot WW III.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 6 2015 9:37 utc | 57

An excellent article that reveals the hypocrisy behind US policy towards Iraq, Syria, and Libya:

Posted by: Saman Taymourian | Jan 6 2015 13:23 utc | 58

@ d.l.finn #53:

Sorry, even Russians refer to Americans as "Americans". However, if you find referring to the United States as "America" to be politically incorrect, in English, German, and Russian they can be referred to as "the States".

That is not to say that I do not see how referring to Americans as "USAns" can be fun. But the very term "Americans" in itself is very often used humorously and ironically in every language I know. The very fact that there is such a thing as "Americans" is an inside joke among Europeans. A good example of that is the Psychedelic Furs song I quoted from. Thus it is just another example of the bizarre habits of Americans that some of them think that it is wrong to refer to themselves as "Americans".

Posted by: Demian | Jan 6 2015 13:29 utc | 59

@Saman Taymourian #58:

I see from that essay that Iranians also refer to Americans as "Americans". The author whose essay you linked to writes:

Western-backed extremism is neither a new nor regionally-bound concept. Whether it is the "Contra" rebels in Nicaragua or al-Qaeda-like groups in Afghanistan, the objective has always been to achieve strategic objectives through the infliction of mass suffering - for, in the "free and civilised world" of the US and its allies, the utopian end too often justifies the Mephistophelean means.
He very well could have added the example of the US backing Ukrainian Nazis.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 6 2015 13:46 utc | 60

@James (#32): Agree, all the US wars have benefited the US arms manufacturers. But what A LOT OF people overlook is that all those wars abroad have been funded by those foreigners. To understand that one has to have knowledge of international money flows.

A number of analysts predicted before 2011 (when the US witdrew from Iraq) that the US would be able to be more influential in Iraq when they would withdraw its troops from Iraq. And that's precisely what's happening now. We can debate whether or not I should have used the word "stabilize" but it shows my line of thinking.

Ultimately the US citizens will put their foot down and FORCE the US govt to withdraw ALL US troops from around the world and bring them back here to the US.
I am convinced that only upcoming MAJOR changes in US money in- and outflows will force the US to withdraw those troops.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 6 2015 14:53 utc | 61

- If one wants to see financial turmoil then one should keep an eye on Turkey. Turkey has a TRULY MASSIVE Current Account Deficit (of ~ 6.5% of turkish GDP) and their debt is predominantly short-term. An excellent recipe for a financial disaster in Turkey somewhere in the future.

The US faces another problem. The US wants that the Iraqi shiite led government arms up sunni "tribes" in order to fight ISIS. But the iraqi government doesn't like to arm their "(potential) "sunni enemies/adversaries".
ISIS has made it clear that every group that fights/resists ISIS can count on retaliation from ISIS.

A good example of how doling out more weapons in Iraq only results in more violence in Iraq and surrounding countries.

I still remember that the US handed out weapons to the Iraqi army in say 2004 & 2005. But those US made weapons turned up in the posession of a group of bankrobbers in Istanbul and in Lebanon (Hezbollah). When Israel invaded southern Lebanon in 2006 they were shot at with those same US made weapons.

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 6 2015 15:18 utc | 62

Interesting article on NPR about Strelkov that I can't make much sense of. (with soundtrack)

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2015 16:11 utc | 63

savvy [sic, sick]
*Add up the numbers of the 3 “Missing” Airliners (8501, 370, 17) and what number do you get? 8888. 4 of the same number in a row is seen as a good thing for a certain group of people, who may have (likely IMO) had a hand in this. * [1]

i tried hard to differentiate bet the cabal who rule the evil empire and the ordinary joe. but every each day some sob come along and give me another reason to wish the destruction of this land of the evil.
the only reason i didnt fuck this cunt proper is coz i didnt want my post to get deleted.


Posted by: denk | Jan 6 2015 16:13 utc | 64

Hey b, I hope you've been following Xymphora this year. Xymph thinks the Prince Andrew /Alan (scumbag) Dershowitz sex abuse scandal has the potential to become the story of the Century. Xymph suspects that the pro-Israel Lobby's influence on Western politics is derived through blackmail (and he's not Robinson Crusoe on that score). Anyhow, one of the people whose name has come up has Mossad affiliations and has become a multi-millionaire, with extra-ordinary rapidity, by means which are less than obvious or transparent.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 6 2015 16:17 utc | 65

@65 Morton can explain everything. And if you still don't believe him he'll sue you....

Posted by: dh | Jan 6 2015 20:04 utc | 66

Iceland is reportedly planning to withdraw its application to become a member state of the European Union (EU).

“Participating in EU talks isn’t really valid anymore. Both due to changes in the European Union and because it’s not in line with the policies of the ruling government to accept everything that the last government was willing to accept. Because of that, we’re back at square one,” a local media outlet quoted Iceland’s Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson as saying.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 6 2015 21:20 utc | 67

Here's a good report translated from Italian of what Slavyansk, which Strelkov's force left to prevent further killing and destruction, is now like:

Slavyansk and the rubble of the Ukrainian soul: between devastation and suspicion

It seems absurd that to ‘free’ the city, the ‘liberators’ didn’t hesitate to destroy vital structures–hospitals, schools, power plants. But the siege of Slavyansk consisted precisely of this, closing access routes to the city and, after destroying its facilities and infrastructure, blocking the arrival of any supplies—from military equipment to food and health supplies–placing fighters and civilians in the same stranglehold.
But that is the American way of war.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 6 2015 21:52 utc | 68

in re 55 --

I understood what they were driving at, I find the imprecision in the original posters annoying.

As Wikipedia notes in its discussion of Thermidor, "The new regime, known as The Directory, introduced more conservative policies aimed at stabilizing the revolutionary government. Consequently, for historians of revolutionary movements, the term Thermidor has come to mean the phase in some revolutions when the political pendulum swings back towards something resembling a pre-revolutionary state, and power slips from the hands of the original revolutionary leadership." No social revolution, no Thermidor.

Sticking with the Revolutionary calendar, perhaps 22 Prairial An II is a better analogy.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 7 2015 0:18 utc | 69

@rufus magister #69:

I guess I agree with you that "No social revolution, no Thermidor." I didn't know about 22 Prairial An II, but judging by the Wikipedia article, it is not a better analogy, because for that analogy to work, people like Strelkov, Mozgovoy, and Pavel Gubarev would have to still be in power.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 1:13 utc | 70

Courtesy of Fort Russ, here's an informative interview witha Russian political scientist which clears up a couple of matters:

"A few words about "united Ukraine". Yes, this slogan sounds from the mouth of Putin and Lavrov almost as often as from the mouth of Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk. But, you know, the medieval scholastics used to say that if two people say the same thing, it does not necessarily mean the same thing. In this case, it is important for me that every statement of Putin and Lavrov about "united Ukraine" is accompanied by a description of the conditions under which Ukraine can in principle be united. A list of these conditions shows that the current Kiev usurpers cannot fulfill a single demand from this list. That is, in the words of Putin and Lavrov's the phrase "united Ukraine" actually means a radical change, constructing a completely new government, capable of ensuring equal rights, bilingualism and much more of what is really needed. Anything similar to what Kiev usurpers consider "united Ukraine" Russia will not accept," - said Wasserman. …

"I'm talking about Russia, as a whole, although in my domestic publications I repeatedly emphasise that the Russian government is divided into two parts, as, indeed, the authorities in most countries of the world. One of these parts represents the interests of manufacturers and is grouped around the security block of the government and is headed directly by the President. Another part protects the interests of the merchants and is grouped around the economic block of the government and is headed respectively by the Prime Minister. The balance of these two parts explains and defines many of the oddities in the behaviour of the Russian Federation. But in relation to Ukraine, as far as I can tell, the positions of both parts of the Russian government are practically identical simply because in case of victory of the U.S. and its puppets in Kiev, not only the manufacturers in the Russian Federation will be destroyed, but a significant proportion of the merchants will pushed aside and they already understand this.

By the way, the weakening of the ruble may help the manufacturers at the expense of the merchants, since the merchants got the central bank to maintain the ruble at an artificially high level, which made domestically produced goods uncompetive with imports. Hopefully, the weak ruble will usher in a period of import substitution.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 1:27 utc | 71

Quote of note:

It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.~Harold Pinter

Albert Camus’ The Plague: a story for our, and all, times

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 7 2015 2:21 utc | 72

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 6, 2015 9:21:02 PM | 72

Thank you.
A timely reminder that there is probably already more than enough Collective Wisdom in the Thought Continuum - but our Dear Leaders are so intent on scaring us, annoying us or boring us, that we're focusing too much on their deflections and deceptions and not enough on the search to re-discover that (neglected) wisdom.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 7 2015 3:45 utc | 73

D @ 70 --

I had a ltd. palette to work with, did what I could. Still looks like Carnot getting rid of the royalists (but I can't recall a journee to hang it on). But anyway, for that to work, I think we'd need at least Strelkov back as Minister of War.

And aren't we all barking up the wrong tree? It wasn't the army that Thermidor targeted, but rather the Parisian radicals of the Commune (e.g., the revolutionary city gov't). Social revolution perhaps doable but difficult under siege (e.g., Paris Commune of 1870).

Maybe a parallel with the Am. Revolution is more in order -- the states and the Continental Congress trying to sort it with the militias and the Continental Army. Where's Novorossiya's von Steuben's and Pulaskis?

Anyway, another round on me. This is largely googletrans of Komsomolskaya Pravda v Ukraine, I've gone rough and ready vs. pretty. From Nikita Sborshchikov, Will the death of "the irreconcilable commander" "Batman" lead to war within the LPR?

"The reason for the detention was the gingered-up "criminal case"("vozbuzhdennoye 'ugolovnoye delo'" literally "excited 'criminal case'" cf. vozbuditel', "agent, instigator") against Bednov. He was charged with robbery, kidnapping of civilians, torture. However, in Lugansk they speak of another reason - the crisis and the lack of unity of command among the groups of armed men." It goes on to mention that Mozgovoy is refusing to put his 6K or so battalion under the LNR central command, while skirmishes with the Cossack detachments have produced casualties. FWIW, IMHO Mozgovoy might do better in politics behind the front.

Sborshchikov then quotes military historian Nikolai Sidorenko. "Development of the situation is very predictable.... Several groups can not share power. Ambitious people who became commanders in troubled times, they want to get a meatier bit...." For those willing to go into "'quiet mode' and play for time" there are three options. "The first - to obey 'the commander in chief.' The second - to escape (as is already done in the by DNR Bezler and Strelkov). The third - to try to take power into their own hands. Its not excluded that anarchy will come if they begin to fight each other."

Sborshchikov goes on to describe dwindling supplies of food, heat, electricity, and money.

While I believe that Bednov's detentions and other irregularities are real problems, I'm inclined to agree with Sborshchikov. The word on the street from Lugansk is probably right, the problems previously untouched are the vehicle for a consolidation.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 7 2015 3:59 utc | 74

to clarify 74 -- ltd. palette of Events commonly known by their Revolutionary dates

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 7 2015 4:04 utc | 75


Commentary: Reports of the military campaign in Donbass today were scant likely because of Christmas (orthodox?). One could be sure of a status quo: showdown in Donbass (military) and elsewhere (falling oil price).

Posted by: Fete | Jan 7 2015 4:05 utc | 76

@rufus magister #74:

Yes, I think your analogy with American revolutionary history is much better. The Thermidor analogy doesn't work because we're dealing with military, not political, groups.

Thanks for that link to Komsomolskaya Pravda. I see Mozgovoy is still in the picture. I hope he survives: I like him. (I saw a few interviews with him.)

Kiev has at least as much of a problem with getting its militias under a unified command as the LPR does:

The Right Sector Refuses to Submit to Ukrainian Ministry of Defense

The moment of truth seems to be approaching with every passing day. The government is attempting to finally take the Right Sector and other paramilitaries under its control. The paramilitaries, for their part, likely have other plans. The question that now stands before the two conflict parties is, to cite Lenin, “who whom?” Will the Kiev government bring its own stormtroopers to heel, or will the lunatics at long last take over the asylum?

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 4:40 utc | 77

D@77 --

Tx, I dabble in a little Am. hist. now and again. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Kiev's problem is much worse -- no one is bowing out gracefully like Strelkov. I think the milit. and civil leadership is much more realistic, or at least more amenable to suggestion, in the Peoples' Republics. They're under an existential threat, which will I think focus the mind and energies.

The Pravyi Sektor has acted like a law unto itself from the moment it drove Yanukovich from power. Folks like Bereza have been talking serious smack since the Rada elections, as we've tracked here at MoA, far more serious than the worst than anything Strelkov and others might have said. Spring campaign preceded by winter intrigue for Banderastan, I'd say.

Posted by: rufus magister | Jan 7 2015 5:05 utc | 78

@rufus magister #78:

Yes, to me the DPR and LPR actually look more stable than Banderastan. From what I've read lately, Russia will not dump Novorossiya (although concern about that has picked up again lately; I mostly ignore it), whereas neither the US, NATO, nor the EU have a comparable commitment to Banderastan.

And here's an excellent blog post. I may have run across the link here. I didn't know about this Anglophone Russian blog.

The Identity Warfare in Ukraine

People are ready to kill and die for their identity, for what they see as protection of it against the ‘Russian agression’ or ‘Nazi threat’. The tragedy of the Civil War is basically that in REALITY people are killing not ‘Nazis‘ or ‘terrorists‘, ‘fascists‘ or ‘vatniks‘ but their OWN sons, brothers, sisters, fathers, etc. …

The binary opposition (‘Euromaidan vs Russian Spring’ as manifestations of modern Ukrainian and Russian cultural identities correspondingly) with all its apparent (strategic) essentialism shows that the locomotive behind the Civil War in Ukraine is a conflict between rival identities and corresponding political projects: (unitarian anti-Russian) Ukraine vs (forming concept of pro-Russian) Novorussia (aka Novorossiya) by now represented by Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics fighting for their independence.

I think that everything in this blog post is correct. Actually, I think I've learned something from it, because I tended to see the civil war as being about being for or against racist fascism, but judging by this essay, that characterization is a bit crude.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 5:22 utc | 79

@rufus magister #78:

Yes, to me the DPR and LPR actually look more stable than Banderastan. From what I've read lately, Russia will not dump Novorossiya (although concern about that has picked up again lately; I mostly ignore it), whereas neither the US, NATO, nor the EU have a comparable commitment to Banderastan.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 5:40 utc | 80

And here's an excellent blog post. I may have run across the link here. I didn't know about this Anglophone Russian blog.

The Identity Warfare in Ukraine

People are ready to kill and die for their identity, for what they see as protection of it against the ‘Russian agression’ or ‘Nazi threat’. The tragedy of the Civil War is basically that in REALITY people are killing not ‘Nazis‘ or ‘terrorists‘, ‘fascists‘ or ‘vatniks‘ but their OWN sons, brothers, sisters, fathers, etc. …

The binary opposition (‘Euromaidan vs Russian Spring’ as manifestations of modern Ukrainian and Russian cultural identities correspondingly) with all its apparent (strategic) essentialism shows that the locomotive behind the Civil War in Ukraine is a conflict between rival identities and corresponding political projects: (unitarian anti-Russian) Ukraine vs (forming concept of pro-Russian) Novorussia (aka Novorossiya) by now represented by Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics fighting for their independence.

I think that everything in this blog post is correct. Actually, I think I've learned something from it, because I tended to see the civil war as being about being for or against racist fascism, but judging by this essay, that characterization is a bit crude.

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 5:43 utc | 81

talk about resistance:

by Wolf Richter • July 12, 2012

An awesome, powerful, lyrical appeal (with superb English subtitles) by the Japanese band FRYING DUTCHMAN (a play on the Japanese habit of interchanging Ls and Rs) to the people of Japan to open their eyes and minds: It slams the nuclear industry, the mainstream media, government bureaucrats, and politicians of all stripes

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 7 2015 5:52 utc | 82

As a formerly dual US/Venezuelan citizen (now strictly US citizen), I grew up with a somewhat different perspective on the word "American"... America refers to two continents with many countries, and it is simply appropriative (imperialist in attitude if not practice) for US citizens or institutions to call themselves "American" when they should say "US." Imagine, say, Chinese using the term "Asian" to refer to things Chinese as if India or Indochina didn't exist, or Germans using the term "European" as though Germans were the only real or important Europeans, while admitting in passing that "Oh, yeah, the French and Greeks and Poles are on the continent, too." If such usages would not be [master] racist in themselves, they would certainly be ethnocentrist tendencies in that direction.

If most US citizens identify as "American" when "U.S." is really more proper, that is simply a function of lack of geographical and cultural consciousness reinforcing the ethnocentrism carefully cultivated by the real imperialists, the ones in Wall St. and Washington. I don't believe it a good idea to let such false consciousness be. In the countless instances of smacking up against it in this country I don't simply call such speakers "imperialist"--I'm trying to educate working class people into solidarity, not provoke needless resistance--but I try to find the best way to get more conscious usages across that don't reinforce imperialist consciousness.

If most Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners, etc., have taken on the common US appropriative usage it is doubtless due to massive exposure to it at the hands of the US government, military (World Wars 1, 2 and Cold), and corporate media. As Latin America emerges into a multipolar world, I believe its people will educate the rest of the world to use the term "American" properly, and to put the "US" in its proper place.

Even in its official title, the United States is of America, not the other way around.

Languages do change over time, and just as we have mostly changed from gender-exclusionary terms such as "men" to the more inclusive "people," so too can we change from "American" to "US" (or "USian" if wished--in Spanish the term is exactly that: *estadounidense* or "UnitedStatesian"). Raising concerns around just such issues is a major way languages change. Resistance only helps keep that imperialist-identified geographic and cultural ignorance in place that the real imperialists find so useful...

I love how it is expressed in Inti Illimani's song La Segunda Independencia (The Second Independence):

Yo que soy americano,
no importa de que país,
quiero que mi continente
viva algún día feliz.


Si hay que callar
no callemos,
pongámonos a cantar.
Y si hay que peliar,
si es el modo de triunfar...

(I who am an American,
It doesn't matter from what country,
Want that my continent
Someday will live free...

And if we are to be silent
We will not be quiet,
We will break into song.
And if it's necessary to fight,
We will fight,
If that is the way to win...

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 7 2015 7:20 utc | 83

@Vintage Red #82:

If most Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners, etc., have taken on the common US appropriative usage it is doubtless due to massive exposure to it at the hands of the US government, military (World Wars 1, 2 and Cold), and corporate media.
No, this usage has been standard in Europe since the founding of the United States. Alexandre de Tocqueville called his book Democracy in America (1835, 1840) De la démocratie en Amérique, not De la démocratie en les États-Unis d'Amérique. Dostoyevsky referred to the United States as "America" in his novels. So your claim is absurd. (And note that I'm not defending the use of "America" to refer to the US: only the use of "Americans" to refer to USAns.)

Posted by: Demian | Jan 7 2015 8:00 utc | 84


*ever since the Hildebeast warned Africa about its growing (and mutually beneficial) trade with China, a string of 'bad luck' has afflicted Western Africa. Yes, that's it; 'bad luck'. Right.
Starting with the murder of Qaddafi (Africa's unofficial leader), followed by frequent Africa bashing from Sulzberger's Slimes, followed by the massive expansion of AFRICOM, followed by the Boku Haram/Ebola '1-2 punch* [1]

nov 13,
xi jing ping visited malaysia.
xi, pm najib and ex pm dr mahathir had a good time toasting to sino malay friendship and further economic cooperation.
somebody must be straining at his leash in washington and here's why. [2]

mar 14,
mh370 *lost in space* with 250 chinese nationals on board, including a dozen top level defence scientists.
beijing and kl engaged in bitter recriminations., sino malay relation dropped a few notches.
the five eye msm had a field day deriding pm najib's *bungling* performance. [2a]

aug 14,
mh17 lost in ukaine.
another fatal blow to the struggling malaysian airline.
five eye msm launched a smear blitzkrieg on russia, accusing its *complicity* in the alleged shot down of the airliner.

nov 13
xi, putin had a ball in jakarta with the indon prez banbang, drinking to indon bric friendship and future development.

dec 14
a malaysian/indonesian airliner disappeared.
150 passenger missing, majority ethnic chinese from indonesia.
five eye msm lambast indonesia's poor air safety record.

only the blind could fail to see the pattern here,
cui bono ? [3]

only someone with a sick mind would suggest that the chinese are somehow behind this airasia disaster.
robbers crying robbery ! [4]
many murcunts seem to be born with this dna in their system.




yet there'r *savvy* posters here who echoed the msm peddled *accident* meme, even after i presented more than enough evidence to suggest of ff after the disappearance of mh370. !


Posted by: denk | Jan 7 2015 8:27 utc | 85

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 4, 2015 6:34:27 PM | @5

This was new to me, and its worth what it is - in 2008 when Hunt was dying, he made some audio tapes about his role in the Kennedy Assassination - he pointed the finger directly at LBJ and members of the CIA like Cord Meyer, whom Kennedy had taken the wife of as his mistress.

Then you would find this documentary fascinating. "John F. Kennedy Assassination Video
Banned History Channel video: Government involved in John F. Kennedy assassination." The Johnson family went to court to stop it.

Posted by: MRW | Jan 7 2015 8:31 utc | 86

@Demian #83:

I've aware of de Tocqueville's *Democracy in America* since as a child I read his quote: "There are now two great nations in the world, which starting from different points, seem to be advancing toward the same goal: the Russians and the Anglo-Americans... Each seems called by some secret design of Providence one day to hold in its hands the destinies of half the world."

I'm sure that one could construct an argument that this European usage goes back even further, since the first "USians" in fact learned it along with other colonialist worldview from our European ancestors/teachers.

But as I wrote, language does change, and it was pretty standard then to write "men" when we would now say "people" or "humanity" (unless specifically meaning males). That the "American = US" usage persists is I think very much due to the conditioning of the US population and the global pervasiveness of the US corporate state and media, and that it has not been sufficiently challenged yet.

I hope this puts my "absurd claim" in better context. People are of course free to adhere to whatever usage they think best; I hear that in Cuba this type of discussion is routinely referred to as part of the "struggle of ideas" that pervades all aspects of language and culture. But I fully expect that the "traditional" usage will fade over time, particularly as Latin America weighs in on the matter. There it is heard as stemming from nothing other than the same Anglo-US arrogance that is otherwise so well exposed in this forum.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jan 7 2015 10:50 utc | 87

11 dead people in France, stuff like this hurt Islam tremendously.
Prepare for a new wave of anti-muslim rhetoric.

Will this wake up france? WIll they stop their interventions and support for rebels in the Middle east?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2015 12:22 utc | 88


It could be false flag.

Posted by: MRW | Jan 7 2015 13:00 utc | 89

I mean @87.

Posted by: MRW | Jan 7 2015 13:00 utc | 90

In 2014 a guy ran in to a france museum with a Kalashnikov too and killed some people.

Maybe a connection of some sort?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jan 7 2015 13:10 utc | 91

"We have avenged the Prophet?" This isn't passing my smell test. Why would Muslims do this? Doesn' make any sense.

"Spiritual offences should only be avenged by spiritual means."

Posted by: MRW | Jan 7 2015 13:13 utc | 92

Mitchell Prothero's (McClatchy Newspapers) opinions:
- For ISIS the conquest of Kobani is important, partially as a "Public Relations" statement. We (ISIS) still are able to conquer a (large (??)) city. In spite of US airstrikes.
- ISIS wants to conquer Aleppo as well. Because it's an ancient city that played an important role in the ancient caliphate.
- The US is very hesitant to do anything in Syria because there seems to no good choices left anymore. Whatever choice the US makes the possible outcome "stinks". (It seems Prothero isn't aware that the US & Israel are supporting & building up Jabat-Al-Nusrah in the south of Syria).
- Foreign fighters from ISIS & Jabat-Al have returned to e.g. the US, Canada & Europe and will perform "lone wolf attacks" in their native countries. (When will radical islamists from Libya start to blow up things in Europe ? Seems this way overthrowing the Khadaffi government is going to haunt e.g. Italy & France for many years to come.)
- Assad was able to survive from 2011 onwards because Iran & (Iran supported) Hezbollah poured tonnes & tonnes of weapons into the hands of the Syrian government. And that was the reason Saudi Arabia started to pour in weapons as well. (Reese Ehrlich states that Russia has send weapons to Syria as well)

- The US has another problem. The Saudis have their own agenda. The saudis have supported jihadis/al qaida, promoted wahabism for over 30 years and will continue to do in the future. And they are not going to listen to the US when the US is asking them to stop that support.
- There's a proxy conflict/dispute/war going on between Saudi Arabia & Iran. This proxy "conflict/war" is being fought in Syria, Lebanon, Bahrein, Jemen, Iraq. Iran also is in an economic competition with Qatar & United Arab Emirates. (think oil & natural gas). Both Iran & Saudi Arabia consider themselves to the dominant regional power and are using the US to advance their own agenda. But when push comes to shove both countries are going to do whatever is in their own interest and not in US' interests. And US influence in the Middle East is smaller than a lot of people think. The US decision in september 2013 to not bomb Syria (keywords: chemical weapons) was for a number of countries in the Middle East reason to take matter more into their own hands.
- Turkey has (like Iran & Saudi Arabia) also aspirations to enlarge its influence in the region. Also think "Central Asia". (And that's where Turkey will compete with the saudis. Turkey's economic fundamentals are very shaky, I expect A LOT OF financial turmoil in Turkey in the coming weeks/months/this year).
- "Syria is gone". (The Syrian government controls only ~ 1/3 of the country). It will break up in several "independant" (fighting (??)) state-lets, like in Libya ??
- "The Free Syrian Army (FSA) were a bunch of clowns in a hotel in Istanbul".
Source: "".

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 7 2015 13:17 utc | 93

"America is on a “Hot War Footing”: House Legislation Paves the Way for War with Russia?"

Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 7 2015 13:32 utc | 94

Killer of cop on streets of Paris yells out Bullshit. To my ears, it's an anglicized pronunciation. Why isn't he saying "merde" or something similar? The French are protective of their language. At 0:13 seconds.

Posted by: MRW | Jan 7 2015 14:06 utc | 95

You're quite wrong about the use of Amérique in French. Many French do call USAers Americans, but the phrase Etats-Uniens also exists and is used mostly in print. However, when referring to Canada, they will call it Amérique as well.

Posted by: Wolfgang | Jan 7 2015 15:16 utc | 96

EU Parliament President Criticizes Merkel over Greece Comments

“This should be clear for everyone: there will be no exit from the euro zone. These unwanted comments transmit to the Greek people the feeling that it will not be the Greeks, with their votes, who will decide their own future, but Brussels or Berlin,” said the German member of the European Parliament.

I think that Martin Shulz is trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's pretty obvious that Merkel and Shaeuble were in facrt, and are, doing their absolute best to negate the Greeks' decision on their own future.

As the Herr Professor Doktor said before them, they don't see why they need stand by and watch a country go TIAA because of the irresponsibility of its own people.

It's Deutschland ueber Alles! Just like the Good Old Days.

It's springtime for Merkel and Germany!
  Winter for Greece ... and France?

Posted by: jfl | Jan 7 2015 15:56 utc | 97

I have transcribed Part I of Frank Morrow's interview with Phil Agee, The Company and the Country, if anyone is interested. If you are and would like to have it for future reference I suggest you download it now. I have not unlimited space where I am now and may (will) have to start deleting older stuff to accommodate new at some point in the future. It may be gone one day, if you just bookmark it and have no local copy.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 7 2015 16:52 utc | 98

I should add, thanks to guest77 for posting the original link ... to Part II of the interview, which I hope to transcribe as well, bye and bye.

Posted by: jfl | Jan 7 2015 16:55 utc | 99

Almost certainly a false flag. Meaning: that KSA has been funding, arming jihadists all over the globe, and KSA security services all run by the CIA. Automatic weapons in France? How? Provided by SOMEONE. Who? The video showed to me what looked like a well trained profession hit team.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 7 2015 17:25 utc | 100

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