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December 19, 2014
Sony Hack – NYT Editors Find New Iraq WMD

A Japanese company with some offices in California was hacked. Several terrabytes of data were copied off its internal networks and some of it was put on file sharing sites. One of the items copied was a film produced in Canada that depicts as comedy the terror act of killing of a current head of state. The U.S. State Department applauded that movie scene. But there were tons of other data like social security numbers, payroll data, and internal emails stolen all of which that might have been the real target of the hackers.

The tools to hack the company are well known and in the public domain. The company, Sony, had lousy internal network security and had been hacked before. The hackers probably had some inside knowledge. They used servers in Bolivia, China and South Korea to infiltrate. There is zero public evidence in the known that the hack was state sponsored.

But the U.S. is claiming that the event is a "national security matter". Who's national security? Japan's? Canada's? Why? A private Japanese entertainment(!) company left the doors open and had some equipment vandalized and some of its private property stolen. Why, again, is that of U.S. "national interest"? Why would the U.S. even consider some "proportional response"?

The White House is anonymously accusing the state of North Korea of having done the hack. It provides no evidence to support that claim and the government of North Korea denied any involvement. The FBI and Sony say they have no evidence for such a claim.

Still the New York Times editors eat it all up:

North Korean hackers, seeking revenge for the movie, stole millions of documents, including emails, health records and financial information that they dished out to the world.

How do the editors know that these were "North Korean hackers"? The same way the knew about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction? Make believe and anonymous claims by U.S. government officials? Yeah – those folks never lie. Right?

Comments

Clooney blames the Media for epic fail…also taibbi chimes in…on the 4th Estate.
Check out his Venn diagram on our FREEDUMB of Press.
“Back when I lived in Russia, I knew lots of reporters who really did risk their lives and had enemies who really did violently attempt to silence them. I had one Russian reporter friend who wrote something about a bank connected to one of Yeltsin’s advisers, and two days later a thug in a ski mask literally jumped through his bedroom window and bopped him over the head with a crowbar. I vaguely knew people like Anna Politkovskaya and Yuri Sheckochikhin, famed reporters who were literally murdered because of their work. Even I had to skip Moscow once, after a certain mob-connected pimp had a bit of a sense of humor failure about a thing we’d published in the eXile.
But in America, nobody needs to silence journalists, particularly if you’re talking about just one journalist, and more particularly if it’s just one print journalist. Ignoring such people is easier and way more effective. You just let the reporter throw whatever hissy-fit he/she has decided to throw, and five seconds later the main audience will be back porn-surfing and watching football and “Wives With Knives” and so on. The notion of the dangerous dissident who so threatens the corrupt state that he or she must be physically eliminated is unfortunately an old-fashioned fantasy that no longer fits our sophisticated dystopia. Or anyway, even if such a person did exist, it would be someone with better sources than me.”
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/taibbi-mailbag-on-uva-swearing-and-the-usa-russia-venn-diagram-20141217#ixzz3MLseyC1u

Posted by: Ben | Dec 19 2014 14:18 utc | 1

My guess is it has something, perhaps everything, to do with this:
Net Neuterality

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 19 2014 14:51 utc | 2

#1, Thanks and here we go again.

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 19 2014 14:52 utc | 3

Is US planing anything on north korea or why this hysteria all of a sudden? Just ridiculous propaganda by US right now.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 16:16 utc | 4

Just ridiculous propaganda by US right now.
Since the defanging of the Smith-Mundt act last year (which prohibited the USG from distributing propaganda within US borders) I don’t see this changing.

Posted by: Pyrrho | Dec 19 2014 16:50 utc | 5

Here’s some of the FBI statement.
http://www.thewrap.com/fbi-names-north-korea-as-responsible-for-sony-hack-attack/

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 16:53 utc | 6

End of the year madness, or a cover up? Probably both, so watch your backs, don’t bend over to pick up that dime on the ground, for you may get more then you bargained for, especially in the end.

Posted by: Norman | Dec 19 2014 16:54 utc | 7

That FBI “evidence” is pretty much nonsense and conjecture.
The Obama administration is now jumping on “freedom of speech” or something like that about a movie which a commercial entity decided not release. The decision not to release the movie in Japan came BEFORE the hack. It had nothing to do with it.
This all sounds like either a NSA/CIA plan to frame North Korea or some wild hacking group with insider support that just wants to pressure Sony.
I see nothing here that would let me believe the hack had really something to do with NoKo.

Posted by: b | Dec 19 2014 17:49 utc | 8

#8
b, can you please refute the statement point by point? It’s not substantial to just say it’s nonsense and conjecture.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 18:02 utc | 9

Cancelling the stupid movie is seen as a win for the bad guys. USG can’t live with that. I think it’s that simple.

Posted by: dh | Dec 19 2014 18:10 utc | 10

Good thing the movie wasn’t about assassinating Putin — there’d be very few of us left to talk about it. Commies are crazy and overly sensitive. Look at Khrushchev when he visited America in the 50’s and bragged that the USSR was building nuclear missiles like they were sausages ostensibly to turn the American people to ash.
American Experience: Cold War Roadshow
They wouldn’t let him go to Disneyland and he threw a temper tantrum. Eisenhower called him Nikito, instead of Nikita, when announcing he would visit the U.S. How does a president not know how to properly announce the name of America’s alleged most notorious enemy?

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 19 2014 18:34 utc | 11

It makes no sense to satirize Kim Jong-un and NK — he/it is/are already a satire. It’s redundant to satirize satire. He’s a joke. Hollywood can’t top him, they can only ruin the joke — which they have.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 19 2014 18:37 utc | 12

Inkan1969
Read the link, the “evidence” is ridiculous just as b said.
I like the “evidence” that said that NK had basically put them as the “sender” of this alleged attack.
Typical US gov whining from a state of Stuxnet et.c.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 18:43 utc | 13

oh btw forget NSA, there was no spying. Case closed.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/der-spiegel-and-nsa-phone-tapping-story-2014-12?r=US#ixzz3LipEPCSf

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 18:54 utc | 14

#13 You’re not refuting the evidence; you’re just calling it ridiculous.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 19:17 utc | 15

@8

The decision not to release the movie in Japan came BEFORE the hack. It had nothing to do with it.
This all sounds like either a NSA/CIA plan to frame North Korea or some wild hacking group with insider support that just wants to pressure Sony.

I’d guess it’d be number one : NSA/CIA plan to frame North Korea. The CIA may well have used the California offices of the Japanese company to breathe life into the ‘hiarious’ plot idea to begin with … having done so well with zero dark thirty, so I’m told – never bothered to see it … and, counting their chickens before they’d hatched, tried to recoup their investment in the virtual assassination of yet another foreign leader.
Maybe they can get a straight-up Hollywood company to make a comedy about a Criminal In Action who assassinates Putin.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 19:59 utc | 16

… and, oh yeah, the NYTimes – a straight-up neo-con fishwrap producer – can help.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 20:01 utc | 17

inkan1969
Yes because it is ridiculous, get some knowledge about what the “evidence” is about and you will call it ridiculous too.
As I just said, no one put a “from:” in such a code, it makes no sense.
As you seems to believe this as evidence, please provide an answer for that. Could you do that?

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 20:06 utc | 18

Exclusive: Sony Emails Say State Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview’
Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea
Leaked Emails: Obama Exerted Influence over “The Interview”
The last link is from one of the sites censored at MoA.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 20:26 utc | 20

#18
Anonymous, again, you’re just calling it ridiculous instead of actually refuting the evidence. You seem unable to refute the evidence.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 20:45 utc | 21

Exclusive: Sony Emails Say State Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview’
Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea
Leaked Emails: Obama Exerted Influence over “The Interview”
The Daily Beast vies with the NYTimes in promoting the film.
Antiwar.com provides ‘just the facts’, more or less.
The site that is verboten at MoA goes on to recount the Korean War.
I read The Korean War_ A History – Cumings, Bruce not long ago and recomend it – just paste the title into the search at btdigg dot org. It’s definitely a war dropped into the Memory Hole by Winston Smith at the US State Department. It was definitely a US war of terror … got the ball rolling for Vietnam … right up to the present.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 20:47 utc | 22

inkan1969
Just read this as a start:
http://www.wired.com/2014/12/evidence-of-north-korea-hack-is-thin/
the FBI released a PR with just mumbo jumbo – the same FBI who had to hire teenagers from HS some yrs ago to teach them how to interpret the SMS lingo, the net slang and how to be a white hat hack (not the gray or black since those guys are either in jail or working as informants for them).
Now they are just piggybacking on some security/data forensic company to base their “findings’:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/12/inside-the-wiper-malware-that-brought-sony-pictures-to-its-knees/

Posted by: Yul | Dec 19 2014 20:48 utc | 23

3- jo6pac
Possible New development – Russia Selling Oil For Gold?
Very few people understand what Putin is doing at the moment. And almost no one understands what he will do in the future.
No matter how strange it may seem, but right now, Putin is selling Russian oil and gas ONLY for physical gold.
How long will the West be able to buy oil and gas from Russia in exchange for physical gold?
Checkmate: Is Russia Selling Oil For Gold?
http://www.silverdoctors.com/checkmate-is-russia-selling-oil-for-gold/#more-49396

Posted by: ALAN | Dec 19 2014 21:23 utc | 24

Inkan @ 20
Its difficult to refute evidence that doesn’t exist.

Posted by: Carlos | Dec 19 2014 21:46 utc | 25

Recently, a special representative of Kim Jong Ul made a visit to Moscow, possibly for talks relating to a trans-Korean pipeline. The timing of this attack and the subsequent NYT bs is purely coincidental.

Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 19 2014 21:47 utc | 26

Vladimir Putin Invites Kim-Jong Un to Moscow
“Moscow needs North Korean cooperation to boost its natural gas exports to South Korea as Gazprom would like to build a gas pipeline through North Korea to reach its southern neighbour.
Pyongyang is also seeking support from Russia, a permanent veto-wielding member of the UN security council, against international criticism relating to accusations of human rights abuses and its nuclear programme.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/19/vladimir-putin-invites-north-korea-kim-jong-un-moscow

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Dec 19 2014 23:44 utc | 27

For me the real issue is that ‘the people’ are being told of, and accept a world where, western neoliberal leaders will refuse to ‘negotiate with terror” if some Joe Shitkicker’s life is being ransomed.
So the crims who kidnap whitefellas in the ME have to on-sell any englander or amerikan hostages to whatever looney toon pols they can inveigle. USuk won’t ‘talk to those terrorists’ meaning ordinary citizens die.
But not talking to terror is out the fucking window in the blink of an eye, if some big corporation might a bath with their bottom line thanks to ‘cyber-terrorism’.
In that case’ the pols happily kiss whatever terrorist butt is necessary.
Exhibit A, the cover for Sony to pull the pin on an expensive but unsaleable flick.
From this distance it is difficult to tell whether the directors of Sony Pictures majority shareholders; The Sony Corporation of Japan, rightly came to the conclusion that Japan’s far from honourable history of invading & colonizing Korea meant this movie would prolly offend and annoy Koreans on both sides of the border, OR whether Sony Pictures execs had been even more infantile and slanderous in their emails than has been revealed in the tranches of emails released so far. Despite some former Sony Pictures mailroom clerk’s ‘shocking revelations/bitchy rant’ Angelina Jolie is one of Sony’s most bankable properties.
Reading the emails thus far released uncovers an infantile and boringly one-upmanship tainted ethos, where the possibility that Sony Pictures execs would even know of Japan’s history in Korea is laughable.
One thing is for sure the cancellation had nothing to do with the inane suggestion that R.o.K. agents were setting off on a coast to coast spree; bombing mom & pop suburban multiplexes guilty of showing this epitome of amerikan audio-visual artistry.
“six big screens and the best use of Sensurround since 1974’s earthquake!”
Or “what explosion? – that sound you’re hearing is proof that we pop our corn on the premises”.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 20 2014 2:26 utc | 28

I can’t help assuming that this infantile claptrap about Sony’s B Grade (US endorsed & approved) beat-up of North Korea is intended to draw attention from Putin’s News Conference on Dec 18. Despite the mundane triviality of the hack non-story, the predictable MSM is giving it blanket coverage.
Which sort of figures – it would be a big U-turn for the MSM to focus on the opinions of a sane, popular leader in preference to the girlish lies, indignation and hollow threats of Obama & Co.
Maybe if ‘Obama’ and the NSA hadn’t encouraged the computer industry to put so many “back doors” in computers, AND made strong encryption “illegal” Sony and others wouldn’t be so readily hack-able. Also, Obama seems to have “forgotten” that the NSA does quite a lot of hacking on his behalf…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 20 2014 3:46 utc | 29

B,
Saw the rough treatment you got over at SST trying to introduce some skepticism about Sony hack propaganda. Disappointing. Tried to mildly introduce some caution myself. Now with the State Department involvement becoming known, & the possible pipeline connection, too, I am tempted to throw that up. But given your reception, I think I will demur. Yeah, disappointing coming from the host who has been outraged over past deceptions. Ah, well.

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Dec 20 2014 4:00 utc | 30

This would be funny if the US state department and current presidential administration weren’t the greatest, most lawless, militarist, terrorist regime (proportionally) in all of history. These banana – republicans have enough firepower at their disposal to eradicate all life on earth. I have to think, that’s where this degenerate “comedy” is headed, if not sooner then later. BTW I wonder how many other degenerates are going to go watch “American sniper” (a film about another psychopathic murderer/US govt. employee) on Christmass day and laugh and clap while they count up all of his 160 “confirmed kills”…

Posted by: nomas | Dec 20 2014 4:09 utc | 31

JJ @ 29. What’s SST?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 20 2014 4:53 utc | 32

@21
Thanks for the links . I Wasnt till now aware of the u
US state drot role in the film . It gives the film , DPRKs response and the US outcry at free speech a context . Since most people ESP Americans see only the film,the hack and the US self righteous response. Putting the emails into the equation changes everything . I’ve been satibg for a while what if some non American company made a film comedy about the assassination of Obama . But now I can add : and what if tht govt of that country have it its blessings and maybe helped it along? After all Obama is no longer the golden boy : he too could find his head bring exploded by some angry people .

Posted by: Brian | Dec 20 2014 5:20 utc | 33

@26
‘Accusation of human rights abuses and nuclear program ‘
This fits USA more accurately

Posted by: Brian | Dec 20 2014 5:23 utc | 34

consider this, perhaps there is such a thing as karma.
remember when Sony installed root kits on your computer when you played one of their music CDs on your computer, see this wiki for little more info in case you have forgotten.
I remember I was very angry about it at the time and was thoroughly disgusted with the main AV programs which either could not or would not detect the malware. Certainly I was not alone and it would quite fitting that some smart people used Sony’s own spyware against them.

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 20 2014 7:38 utc | 35

Inkan1969
I just told you earlier that if you knew anything about this issue you would call it ridiculous too.
Go watch my little pony now or w.e your hobby is (googled your nick).

Posted by: Anonmyous | Dec 20 2014 8:01 utc | 36

Obama is acting, so the usg must have paid into the production, nothing new, just this time someone had records of it!

Posted by: kjs | Dec 20 2014 13:22 utc | 37

The role played by the US Department of Defense or the actual arms in the US military in film-making is a long and storied one:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/act-of-valor-military-hollywood_n_1284338.html

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 20 2014 13:44 utc | 38

Hoarsewhisperer @ #31,
The blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis, hosted by Col. Pat Lang (ret.). Usually more measured & realist. This time, he seems to have a bee in his bonnet, & has hopped the propaganda train. His blog, & he can advocate for whatever he sees fit.

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Dec 20 2014 14:03 utc | 39

JJ@29 to B.
same here – was stymied over how to express it.

Posted by: rjj | Dec 20 2014 15:44 utc | 40

OK – that helped.
I suggest it (B’s treatment at SST) be called a cheney – or getting cheneyed.

Posted by: rjj | Dec 20 2014 15:51 utc | 41

the whole thing stinks Korea…The South one
http://reflets.info/piratage-de-sony-pourquoi-est-il-tres-peu-probable-que-la-coree-du-nord-soit-a-lorigine-de-lattaque/

Posted by: zingaro | Dec 20 2014 16:00 utc | 42

FBI know-how eh!!! My foot
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30554444
Now Sony is off the hook – can’t secured its network from a nation-state when , not too long ago, hackers, from schoolkids to underground criminals, were teaching Sony a lesson for being vulnerable and caring about its network security. May be those fat-cats in Hollywood should learn from watching “Person of Interest” – ironical isn’t it?

Posted by: Yul | Dec 20 2014 16:11 utc | 43

#35
Statements like, “if you knew anything about this issue you would call it ridiculous too.” are a cop-out. You just make it glaringly apparent that you are not able to actually articulate reasons why it could be ridiculous. At least Yul is providing articles that provide substance in criticizing the claims, in #22 and #42. I also found
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/sony-hack-skeptics,news-20037.html
elsewhere.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 20 2014 16:55 utc | 44

inkan1969

“It’s complete nonsense,” wrote Rob Graham, CEO of Atlanta-based Errata Security, on his blog. “It sounds like they’ve decided on a conclusion and are trying to make the evidence fit.”

From your own link, this is what b (and I myself have said multiple times now).
If you would think about it, no one cant present to you a 10 pg document “refuting” since we havent been exposed to any evidence.
AS I asked before, please show evidence counter that argument. Could you do that?

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 20 2014 17:23 utc | 45

Your post contains the following important sentence:”There is zero public evidence in the known that the hack was state sponsored.” This sentence does not mean anything. But it does have an effect. It discourages the reader from continuing to read and even tempts the reader to wonder whether the writer cares about what he or she is writing.

Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Dec 20 2014 18:00 utc | 46

There is a need to have an enemy to bash around in 2015 and NoKo is the answer.
Cuba- checked : ( just have to prop up a new Batista who will be in the pockets of Corporate America. A new Meyer Lansky needs to be “created” )
Iran: tough to have covert actions for regime change – and may need them for Syria with the Ruskies
Russia: well KSA is doing a fine job with price of oil so far and let’s see how far we can sit on the fence whilst giving some charity to Ukraine.
Syria: don’t know who to trust and better take care of Bush/Cheney’s mess in Iraq and hopefully Assad will put some order in the mess the west created.
Who else?

Posted by: Yul | Dec 20 2014 18:04 utc | 47