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December 19, 2014

Sony Hack - NYT Editors Find New Iraq WMD

A Japanese company with some offices in California was hacked. Several terrabytes of data were copied off its internal networks and some of it was put on file sharing sites. One of the items copied was a film produced in Canada that depicts as comedy the terror act of killing of a current head of state. The U.S. State Department applauded that movie scene. But there were tons of other data like social security numbers, payroll data, and internal emails stolen all of which that might have been the real target of the hackers.

The tools to hack the company are well known and in the public domain. The company, Sony, had lousy internal network security and had been hacked before. The hackers probably had some inside knowledge. They used servers in Bolivia, China and South Korea to infiltrate. There is zero public evidence in the known that the hack was state sponsored.

But the U.S. is claiming that the event is a "national security matter". Who's national security? Japan's? Canada's? Why? A private Japanese entertainment(!) company left the doors open and had some equipment vandalized and some of its private property stolen. Why, again, is that of U.S. "national interest"? Why would the U.S. even consider some "proportional response"?

The White House is anonymously accusing the state of North Korea of having done the hack. It provides no evidence to support that claim and the government of North Korea denied any involvement. The FBI and Sony say they have no evidence for such a claim.

Still the New York Times editors eat it all up:

North Korean hackers, seeking revenge for the movie, stole millions of documents, including emails, health records and financial information that they dished out to the world.

How do the editors know that these were "North Korean hackers"? The same way the knew about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction? Make believe and anonymous claims by U.S. government officials? Yeah - those folks never lie. Right?

Posted by b on December 19, 2014 at 14:13 UTC | Permalink


Clooney blames the Media for epic fail...also taibbi chimes in...on the 4th Estate.

Check out his Venn diagram on our FREEDUMB of Press.

"Back when I lived in Russia, I knew lots of reporters who really did risk their lives and had enemies who really did violently attempt to silence them. I had one Russian reporter friend who wrote something about a bank connected to one of Yeltsin's advisers, and two days later a thug in a ski mask literally jumped through his bedroom window and bopped him over the head with a crowbar. I vaguely knew people like Anna Politkovskaya and Yuri Sheckochikhin, famed reporters who were literally murdered because of their work. Even I had to skip Moscow once, after a certain mob-connected pimp had a bit of a sense of humor failure about a thing we'd published in the eXile.

But in America, nobody needs to silence journalists, particularly if you're talking about just one journalist, and more particularly if it's just one print journalist. Ignoring such people is easier and way more effective. You just let the reporter throw whatever hissy-fit he/she has decided to throw, and five seconds later the main audience will be back porn-surfing and watching football and "Wives With Knives" and so on. The notion of the dangerous dissident who so threatens the corrupt state that he or she must be physically eliminated is unfortunately an old-fashioned fantasy that no longer fits our sophisticated dystopia. Or anyway, even if such a person did exist, it would be someone with better sources than me."

Read more:

Posted by: Ben | Dec 19 2014 14:18 utc | 1

My guess is it has something, perhaps everything, to do with this:

Net Neuterality

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 19 2014 14:51 utc | 2

#1, Thanks and here we go again.

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 19 2014 14:52 utc | 3

Is US planing anything on north korea or why this hysteria all of a sudden? Just ridiculous propaganda by US right now.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 16:16 utc | 4

Just ridiculous propaganda by US right now.

Since the defanging of the Smith-Mundt act last year (which prohibited the USG from distributing propaganda within US borders) I don't see this changing.

Posted by: Pyrrho | Dec 19 2014 16:50 utc | 5

Here's some of the FBI statement.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 16:53 utc | 6

End of the year madness, or a cover up? Probably both, so watch your backs, don't bend over to pick up that dime on the ground, for you may get more then you bargained for, especially in the end.

Posted by: Norman | Dec 19 2014 16:54 utc | 7

That FBI "evidence" is pretty much nonsense and conjecture.

The Obama administration is now jumping on "freedom of speech" or something like that about a movie which a commercial entity decided not release. The decision not to release the movie in Japan came BEFORE the hack. It had nothing to do with it.

This all sounds like either a NSA/CIA plan to frame North Korea or some wild hacking group with insider support that just wants to pressure Sony.

I see nothing here that would let me believe the hack had really something to do with NoKo.

Posted by: b | Dec 19 2014 17:49 utc | 8


b, can you please refute the statement point by point? It's not substantial to just say it's nonsense and conjecture.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 18:02 utc | 9

Cancelling the stupid movie is seen as a win for the bad guys. USG can't live with that. I think it's that simple.

Posted by: dh | Dec 19 2014 18:10 utc | 10

Good thing the movie wasn't about assassinating Putin — there'd be very few of us left to talk about it. Commies are crazy and overly sensitive. Look at Khrushchev when he visited America in the 50's and bragged that the USSR was building nuclear missiles like they were sausages ostensibly to turn the American people to ash.

American Experience: Cold War Roadshow

They wouldn't let him go to Disneyland and he threw a temper tantrum. Eisenhower called him Nikito, instead of Nikita, when announcing he would visit the U.S. How does a president not know how to properly announce the name of America's alleged most notorious enemy?

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 19 2014 18:34 utc | 11

It makes no sense to satirize Kim Jong-un and NK — he/it is/are already a satire. It's redundant to satirize satire. He's a joke. Hollywood can't top him, they can only ruin the joke — which they have.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 19 2014 18:37 utc | 12


Read the link, the "evidence" is ridiculous just as b said.
I like the "evidence" that said that NK had basically put them as the "sender" of this alleged attack.

Typical US gov whining from a state of Stuxnet et.c.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 18:43 utc | 13

oh btw forget NSA, there was no spying. Case closed.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 18:54 utc | 14

#13 You're not refuting the evidence; you're just calling it ridiculous.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 19:17 utc | 15


The decision not to release the movie in Japan came BEFORE the hack. It had nothing to do with it.

This all sounds like either a NSA/CIA plan to frame North Korea or some wild hacking group with insider support that just wants to pressure Sony.

I'd guess it'd be number one : NSA/CIA plan to frame North Korea. The CIA may well have used the California offices of the Japanese company to breathe life into the 'hiarious' plot idea to begin with ... having done so well with zero dark thirty, so I'm told - never bothered to see it ... and, counting their chickens before they'd hatched, tried to recoup their investment in the virtual assassination of yet another foreign leader.

Maybe they can get a straight-up Hollywood company to make a comedy about a Criminal In Action who assassinates Putin.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 19:59 utc | 16

... and, oh yeah, the NYTimes - a straight-up neo-con fishwrap producer - can help.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 20:01 utc | 17


Yes because it is ridiculous, get some knowledge about what the "evidence" is about and you will call it ridiculous too.
As I just said, no one put a "from:" in such a code, it makes no sense.

As you seems to believe this as evidence, please provide an answer for that. Could you do that?

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 19 2014 20:06 utc | 18

Exclusive: Sony Emails Say State Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview’

Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea

Leaked Emails: Obama Exerted Influence over “The Interview”

The last link is from one of the sites censored at MoA.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 20:26 utc | 20


Anonymous, again, you're just calling it ridiculous instead of actually refuting the evidence. You seem unable to refute the evidence.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 19 2014 20:45 utc | 21

Exclusive: Sony Emails Say State Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview’

Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea

Leaked Emails: Obama Exerted Influence over “The Interview”

The Daily Beast vies with the NYTimes in promoting the film. provides 'just the facts', more or less.

The site that is verboten at MoA goes on to recount the Korean War.

I read The Korean War_ A History - Cumings, Bruce not long ago and recomend it - just paste the title into the search at btdigg dot org. It's definitely a war dropped into the Memory Hole by Winston Smith at the US State Department. It was definitely a US war of terror ... got the ball rolling for Vietnam ... right up to the present.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 19 2014 20:47 utc | 22


Just read this as a start:

the FBI released a PR with just mumbo jumbo - the same FBI who had to hire teenagers from HS some yrs ago to teach them how to interpret the SMS lingo, the net slang and how to be a white hat hack (not the gray or black since those guys are either in jail or working as informants for them).

Now they are just piggybacking on some security/data forensic company to base their "findings':

Posted by: Yul | Dec 19 2014 20:48 utc | 23

3- jo6pac

Possible New development - Russia Selling Oil For Gold?

Very few people understand what Putin is doing at the moment. And almost no one understands what he will do in the future.
No matter how strange it may seem, but right now, Putin is selling Russian oil and gas ONLY for physical gold.
How long will the West be able to buy oil and gas from Russia in exchange for physical gold?

Checkmate: Is Russia Selling Oil For Gold?

Posted by: ALAN | Dec 19 2014 21:23 utc | 24

Inkan @ 20
Its difficult to refute evidence that doesn't exist.

Posted by: Carlos | Dec 19 2014 21:46 utc | 25

Recently, a special representative of Kim Jong Ul made a visit to Moscow, possibly for talks relating to a trans-Korean pipeline. The timing of this attack and the subsequent NYT bs is purely coincidental.

Posted by: Yonatan | Dec 19 2014 21:47 utc | 26

Vladimir Putin Invites Kim-Jong Un to Moscow

"Moscow needs North Korean cooperation to boost its natural gas exports to South Korea as Gazprom would like to build a gas pipeline through North Korea to reach its southern neighbour.

Pyongyang is also seeking support from Russia, a permanent veto-wielding member of the UN security council, against international criticism relating to accusations of human rights abuses and its nuclear programme."

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Dec 19 2014 23:44 utc | 27

For me the real issue is that 'the people' are being told of, and accept a world where, western neoliberal leaders will refuse to 'negotiate with terror" if some Joe Shitkicker's life is being ransomed.

So the crims who kidnap whitefellas in the ME have to on-sell any englander or amerikan hostages to whatever looney toon pols they can inveigle. USuk won't 'talk to those terrorists' meaning ordinary citizens die.

But not talking to terror is out the fucking window in the blink of an eye, if some big corporation might a bath with their bottom line thanks to 'cyber-terrorism'.
In that case' the pols happily kiss whatever terrorist butt is necessary.
Exhibit A, the cover for Sony to pull the pin on an expensive but unsaleable flick.

From this distance it is difficult to tell whether the directors of Sony Pictures majority shareholders; The Sony Corporation of Japan, rightly came to the conclusion that Japan's far from honourable history of invading & colonizing Korea meant this movie would prolly offend and annoy Koreans on both sides of the border, OR whether Sony Pictures execs had been even more infantile and slanderous in their emails than has been revealed in the tranches of emails released so far. Despite some former Sony Pictures mailroom clerk's 'shocking revelations/bitchy rant' Angelina Jolie is one of Sony's most bankable properties.
Reading the emails thus far released uncovers an infantile and boringly one-upmanship tainted ethos, where the possibility that Sony Pictures execs would even know of Japan's history in Korea is laughable.
One thing is for sure the cancellation had nothing to do with the inane suggestion that R.o.K. agents were setting off on a coast to coast spree; bombing mom & pop suburban multiplexes guilty of showing this epitome of amerikan audio-visual artistry.

"six big screens and the best use of Sensurround since 1974's earthquake!"
Or "what explosion? - that sound you're hearing is proof that we pop our corn on the premises".

Posted by: Debs is dead | Dec 20 2014 2:26 utc | 28

I can't help assuming that this infantile claptrap about Sony's B Grade (US endorsed & approved) beat-up of North Korea is intended to draw attention from Putin's News Conference on Dec 18. Despite the mundane triviality of the hack non-story, the predictable MSM is giving it blanket coverage.
Which sort of figures - it would be a big U-turn for the MSM to focus on the opinions of a sane, popular leader in preference to the girlish lies, indignation and hollow threats of Obama & Co.

Maybe if 'Obama' and the NSA hadn't encouraged the computer industry to put so many "back doors" in computers, AND made strong encryption "illegal" Sony and others wouldn't be so readily hack-able. Also, Obama seems to have "forgotten" that the NSA does quite a lot of hacking on his behalf...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 20 2014 3:46 utc | 29


Saw the rough treatment you got over at SST trying to introduce some skepticism about Sony hack propaganda. Disappointing. Tried to mildly introduce some caution myself. Now with the State Department involvement becoming known, & the possible pipeline connection, too, I am tempted to throw that up. But given your reception, I think I will demur. Yeah, disappointing coming from the host who has been outraged over past deceptions. Ah, well.

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Dec 20 2014 4:00 utc | 30

This would be funny if the US state department and current presidential administration weren't the greatest, most lawless, militarist, terrorist regime (proportionally) in all of history. These banana - republicans have enough firepower at their disposal to eradicate all life on earth. I have to think, that's where this degenerate "comedy" is headed, if not sooner then later. BTW I wonder how many other degenerates are going to go watch "American sniper" (a film about another psychopathic murderer/US govt. employee) on Christmass day and laugh and clap while they count up all of his 160 "confirmed kills"...

Posted by: nomas | Dec 20 2014 4:09 utc | 31

JJ @ 29. What's SST?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 20 2014 4:53 utc | 32

Thanks for the links . I Wasnt till now aware of the u
US state drot role in the film . It gives the film , DPRKs response and the US outcry at free speech a context . Since most people ESP Americans see only the film,the hack and the US self righteous response. Putting the emails into the equation changes everything . I've been satibg for a while what if some non American company made a film comedy about the assassination of Obama . But now I can add : and what if tht govt of that country have it its blessings and maybe helped it along? After all Obama is no longer the golden boy : he too could find his head bring exploded by some angry people .

Posted by: Brian | Dec 20 2014 5:20 utc | 33

'Accusation of human rights abuses and nuclear program '
This fits USA more accurately

Posted by: Brian | Dec 20 2014 5:23 utc | 34

consider this, perhaps there is such a thing as karma.

remember when Sony installed root kits on your computer when you played one of their music CDs on your computer, see this wiki for little more info in case you have forgotten.

I remember I was very angry about it at the time and was thoroughly disgusted with the main AV programs which either could not or would not detect the malware. Certainly I was not alone and it would quite fitting that some smart people used Sony's own spyware against them.

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 20 2014 7:38 utc | 35


I just told you earlier that if you knew anything about this issue you would call it ridiculous too.
Go watch my little pony now or w.e your hobby is (googled your nick).

Posted by: Anonmyous | Dec 20 2014 8:01 utc | 36

Obama is acting, so the usg must have paid into the production, nothing new, just this time someone had records of it!

Posted by: kjs | Dec 20 2014 13:22 utc | 37

The role played by the US Department of Defense or the actual arms in the US military in film-making is a long and storied one:

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 20 2014 13:44 utc | 38

Hoarsewhisperer @ #31,

The blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis, hosted by Col. Pat Lang (ret.). Usually more measured & realist. This time, he seems to have a bee in his bonnet, & has hopped the propaganda train. His blog, & he can advocate for whatever he sees fit.

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Dec 20 2014 14:03 utc | 39

JJ@29 to B.

same here - was stymied over how to express it.

Posted by: rjj | Dec 20 2014 15:44 utc | 40

OK - that helped.

I suggest it (B's treatment at SST) be called a cheney - or getting cheneyed.

Posted by: rjj | Dec 20 2014 15:51 utc | 41

the whole thing stinks Korea...The South one

Posted by: zingaro | Dec 20 2014 16:00 utc | 42

FBI know-how eh!!! My foot

Now Sony is off the hook - can't secured its network from a nation-state when , not too long ago, hackers, from schoolkids to underground criminals, were teaching Sony a lesson for being vulnerable and caring about its network security. May be those fat-cats in Hollywood should learn from watching "Person of Interest" - ironical isn't it?

Posted by: Yul | Dec 20 2014 16:11 utc | 43


Statements like, "if you knew anything about this issue you would call it ridiculous too." are a cop-out. You just make it glaringly apparent that you are not able to actually articulate reasons why it could be ridiculous. At least Yul is providing articles that provide substance in criticizing the claims, in #22 and #42. I also found,news-20037.html


Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 20 2014 16:55 utc | 44


"It's complete nonsense," wrote Rob Graham, CEO of Atlanta-based Errata Security, on his blog. "It sounds like they've decided on a conclusion and are trying to make the evidence fit."

From your own link, this is what b (and I myself have said multiple times now).
If you would think about it, no one cant present to you a 10 pg document "refuting" since we havent been exposed to any evidence.

AS I asked before, please show evidence counter that argument. Could you do that?

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 20 2014 17:23 utc | 45

Your post contains the following important sentence:"There is zero public evidence in the known that the hack was state sponsored." This sentence does not mean anything. But it does have an effect. It discourages the reader from continuing to read and even tempts the reader to wonder whether the writer cares about what he or she is writing.

Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Dec 20 2014 18:00 utc | 46

There is a need to have an enemy to bash around in 2015 and NoKo is the answer.
Cuba- checked : ( just have to prop up a new Batista who will be in the pockets of Corporate America. A new Meyer Lansky needs to be "created" )
Iran: tough to have covert actions for regime change - and may need them for Syria with the Ruskies
Russia: well KSA is doing a fine job with price of oil so far and let's see how far we can sit on the fence whilst giving some charity to Ukraine.
Syria: don't know who to trust and better take care of Bush/Cheney's mess in Iraq and hopefully Assad will put some order in the mess the west created.
Who else?

Posted by: Yul | Dec 20 2014 18:04 utc | 47


The word, "nonsense" is the only that you have been saying multiple times, and pretty much the only thing said by b, which is disappointing as I've come to expect better from him. Whereas Graham went beyond this to raise a couple of issues to consider:


"The reason it's nonsense is that the hacker underground shares code. They share everything: tools, techniques, exploits, owned-systems, botnets, and infrastructure. Different groups even share members. It is implausible that North Korea would develop it's own malware from scratch.

Here's the thing with computer evidence: you don't need to keep it secret. It wouldn't harm Sony and wouldn't harm the investigation. It would help anti-virus and security vendors develop signatures to stop it. It would crowd source analysis, to see who it really points to. We don't need to take the FBI's word for it, we should be able to see the evidence ourselves. In other words, instead of saying "IP addresses associated with North Korea", then can tell us what those IP addresses are, like ""."


I don't recall asking for a 10 page article; Graham just needed a couple of sentences to assert his point.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 20 2014 18:14 utc | 48

The way I see it, there are two possibilities. The first is that North Korea is responsible for the hackery and is owed a thank-you note for heroically saving us all from 112 minutes of sophomoric fart jokes...

The other, far more likely, possibility is that North Korea is NOT responsible and we have to ask ourselves, as usual,"Cui Bono?" Naturally, I have no earthly idea how an entity could possibly derive any benefit from manufacturing a crisis. Of course, this is MoA and everyone is, naturally, going to jump on that tired old bandwagon about how the United States is behind every evil in the world... but seriously, guys. The United States congress has its hands far too full trying to think of a new acronym to use in an attempt to push through the wildly unpopular SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/CISPA bill to worry about shenanigans like this.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 20 2014 18:16 utc | 49

It's about CISA and Net Neutrality — the Sony hack and NK scapegoating are just cover. Think Shock Doctrine to set the stage for neutering of The Net.

It is telling that Colonel Patricia Mustard (pronounced MooTard in French), with scant and dubious evidence, wants to severely punish the feckless North Koreans yet he kisses Putin's ass up and down. That's a coward and a bully — always willing to pick on the easy targets but cowers when confronted with a real match.

What would Aaron Schwartz say if he wasn't found hanging from the end of a rope execution style? I'm amazed, not really, that b refuses to acknowledge this angle. I suppose it's why he never graduated from programmer to espionage. Some people can't see the elephants in the rooms — in fact most people can't, yet those elephants are everywhere, in every room, knocking over the China and hardly anyone notices. Such is the nature of indoctrination — people are trained to see it one or two preordained ways.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Dec 20 2014 18:33 utc | 50


The word, "nonsense" is the only that you have been saying multiple times, ..."
I have never typed the word nonsense. I quoted the guy from your link that said it was nonsense.
You seems confused and I am therefore going to stop here.

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 20 2014 18:39 utc | 51

#50 - OK, the word was "ridiculous" instead of nonsense.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Dec 20 2014 18:45 utc | 52


The United States congress has its hands far too full trying to think of a new acronym to use in an attempt to push through the wildly unpopular SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/CISPA bill to worry about shenanigans like this.

FWIW: It is not Congress who wants to create havoc but the so-called cognoscenti inside the Beltway. Richard Perle, Wolwfy or the other vulcans were not in congress ( some were in the exec branch) when they decided to go for the throat of Saddam.

Who wants the US to police the world these days?
Who wants to benefit and make $B when there is always fear in the US ?
There is money to be made and some in DC are already hawking their cyber attacks security biz.
After the defense industry, homeland security, now it is the time of to protect against the so-called dark-natured nerds and geeks.
The revolving doors at the WH, Capitol Hill and the alphabet soup agencies are good locales for this.

Posted by: Yul | Dec 20 2014 19:55 utc | 53

This headline gave me a laugh. About time the rest of the world started to ridicule the United States assertions and lack of credibility openly. There's a Russian saying when your head is in the ground your ass is in the air.

Just hours after the FBI announced that, with absolute certainty, it had determined that North Korea was behind the Sony hack, a "theory" that has become the butt of global jokes, we learned, in a far less prominent release, that according to an internal inquiry, FBI evidence if "often mishandled." According to the NYT, "F.B.I. agents in every region of the country have mishandled, mislabeled and lost evidence, according to a highly critical internal investigation that discovered errors with nearly half the pieces of evidence it reviewed.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Dec 20 2014 20:47 utc | 54

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Dec 20, 2014 9:03:28 AM | 39

Thank you.
The Colonel failed too many of my sniff tests years ago and I'd forgotten SST.
I gather he's now failed one of yours...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 21 2014 0:57 utc | 55

You can always tell the morons from the non-morons by how readily they fall for the stupidly transparent cons pulled by the media time and time again
Posted by: Rogan Josh | Dec 20, 2014 4:21:02 PM | 56

...and anonymous folks who like to kid themselves that fat ol Mikey didn't open a lot of people's eyes, Moore than once, to the fact that the USA is nothing more than an overtly criminal enterprise.

Fat ol Mikey reminds me of Skinny ol Glenda (Jackson - UK actress/MP) who called the Iraq Fake War "The most cowardly act in the history of warfare" and resigned in disgust. Or Mrs Tony Bliar who, in front of a gaggle of MSM zombies and assorted 'leaders', handed a bouquet to a Palestinian rep (in the wake of an "Israeli" massacre) with an innocent "Our thoughts are with the Palestinian People" and drew gasps of horror & denial from the Terribly British elites gathered in the background.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 21 2014 3:02 utc | 56

"Saw the rough treatment you got over at SST... The blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis, hosted by Col. Pat Lang (ret.)"

Yeah. No surprise here. B often links to "the colonel" which I think is a major mistake. "The colonel" is a Cold Warrior through and through, someone whose long experience in the US military has left him completely brainwashed.

One telling example: Lang characterized the United States massive Vietnam era assassination program, Phoenix, as one that "had as its goal the capture of VC political cadres so that they could be "re-educated." Kill was a fall back position." This is so utterly wrong, but shows Lang's broken world-view. We have only to refer to John Stockwell - who ran the Phoenix Program near the end of the war - describe it more succinctly than I ever could:

"The Phoenix Program was created by the CIA and its purpose was to kill..."

This is a program that caused the death of 20,000 civillians through CIA and military murder. We're talking mayors, elected officials to simple NLF sympathizers - not guerillas. And there is plenty of evidence that this brutal program was transfered not just to Central America in the 1980s, but even to inside the United States. Yet 20,000 dead, the Col. will have you believe, was "a fall back position". One big, 10 year long "oopsie".

The Colonel is a firm believer in US "Exceptionalism" and the Cold War project - even if recent events cause him to think it's a bit "off course". He shouldn't be trusted until he can excise this completely from his worldview.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 21 2014 3:42 utc | 57

@56 It's funny, I can tell the morons by when they show up and divide the world into "morons" and "non-morons".

I can always tell the morons by how they come to talk about people falling for "neocon tricks" and then immediately start attacking "pwogressives".

I can tell the morons by when they show up again and again with the same insipid posts and boring memes over and over, even if it is a new screenname we've never seen here before.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 21 2014 3:51 utc | 58

@ Yul #53:

You're right, and I concede the point. My non-suggestion should have been more nuanced.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 21 2014 6:39 utc | 59

Why can't you share articles here?

Posted by: John | Dec 21 2014 10:09 utc | 60

Deadline: Could China Be Behind The Sony Attack?

“My theory is that the initial intrusion was done by the Chinese military for monitoring purposes,” the source told Deadline. “Then access was sold or traded to one or more traditional western hacking groups. It was probably done by a member of China’s military group for their own personal gain. Once they had access, the new hackers grabbed data and set up an elaborate timetable of release.”

The Evidence That North Korea Hacked Sony Is Flimsy - updated

Posted by: Oui | Dec 21 2014 13:06 utc | 61

u believe these craps ?
china's mh17 moment anyone?
it wouldnt be the first time the murcunts framed china up.

Posted by: denk | Dec 22 2014 3:26 utc | 62

im talking to
Oui 61

Posted by: denk | Dec 22 2014 3:38 utc | 63

from the land of fucking lying cunts....

Posted by: denk | Dec 22 2014 8:17 utc | 64

*It is being said that Chinese hackers connected to the Chinese government were inquiring about US infrastructure such as energy pipelines, water treatment facilities and financial institutions.*

hint for the uninitiated,
mealy mouthed statement like *it is being said * is very often the sign of bs, an indication of guilty consciousness.
from fucking lying assholes like mike rogers, based on analy$i$ by fucking lying pentagon and its offshoot the mandiant corp, a veritable digital blackwater infested with ex pentagoons, cia, nsa creeps, whose profit margin rest on the level of fear porn instilled in the sheeples !
btw im not so sure about that *ex* bit either.

well i dont need no phd in computer forsenics to tell me these are pure unadulterated bs
scheming to bring down a power grid, water treatment facilities and financial institutions is a fucking act of war and pentagon had warned darkly that the response would be *a missile down your chimney*. no one but no one would mess with the world's biggest and meanest mofo this way, period.
least of all china. whose m.o. is anything but offensive.
its always pragmatic, cautious,defensive and reactive, some would say too pragmatic, too cautious at times.
so much so that, its response to incessant fukus provocations, attacks , often looks like *turning the other cheek*.
no fucking way would the ccp be probing the murcunt power grid system or whatever shit with malicious intent !

whoever pay these crappy script writers aint getting their monies worth.
doesnt matter tho, if alternate media readers are lapping it up hook line and sinker, what do one expect from those who dialy fares are nyt, wsj, wp etc ?

if that isnt enough, here's the dead giveaway. !
according to the usual reliable source, the murcunt regime, *china has been accessing and siphoning off ultra secret stuffs from the ubersecure servers of pentagon, lockheed martin* etc,
whats more, the fairy tale goes on that the chicoms kept at it with gutso even after they were *caught redhanded* [sic] and fully exposed, what cheek !

this alone tells me the assholes are lying thru their ass as usual.
such blatant *in your face* cheekiness is the signatory m.o. of only one cuntry in this world.
definitely not china's style, no fucking way kid!

zwo watch rule 1
*any time when U.S. Gov. is pointing fingers at whom ever I am starting to cringe because I know how they work by accusing (false flag) others when it is them that’s doing the dirty deed. Its been going on for so long and plenty of information to back it up. We the people need some truthful dialog like how corrupt is our gov. and quit pointing to others like some lying kid!!!*

elementary, watson !

does it take a fucking rocket scientist to figure it out forchrissake !
i've said many times before, by now every self respecting zwo watcher ought to be able to smell these zwo bs ten miles away.

as for mike rogers [1]
well i dont need no stinking ex cia creeps to tell me what have murcuns done in nam, laos, cambodia, iraq, afpak, exyugo, libya, syria, ukraine.....bombing civilians and water treatment facilities, hospitals, ambulance, power plant, the lot.
these aint no secrets its all available in the likes of nyt, wsj, wp etc
except they reported these genocides matter of factly as if its the most natural thing to do .
which is true actually, coz the murcuns do these stuffs on a daily basis.
hey mike, these shits really make 911 looks like kindergarten stuffs u fucking shit head.

stephen gowans
*if killing civilians is an olympic event, the murcunts would clean up the medals every time*

why do murcuns elected representatives all looks like shyster lawer,
just look at obama,, well he was a shyster lawyer, perhaps thats one of the job requirement !
or psychotic maniac like mccain, or a crime boss like mike rogers, he sure looks the part.

Posted by: denk | Dec 23 2014 6:36 utc | 65

Ultimately, it doesn't matter how many smart people there are in circulation since it's generally a small number of motivated dumbasses that tend to call most of the shots.

It doesn't look like this will end well while the USA and North Korea are busy playing a ping-pong game of who-can-give-up-the-most-moral-high-ground.

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 23 2014 13:40 utc | 66

@Inkan1969 #9:

If you're still interested in the specifics about why the FBI report is "nonsense and conjecture," please feel to click my first link at #66, above (ie;"smart people.")

Posted by: Monolycus | Dec 23 2014 14:23 utc | 67

Posted by: denk | Dec 23, 2014 1:36:15 AM | 65

Don't be so pessimistic. Over-confident criminals eventually outsmart themselves. The US/Israel Fake War on Terror has legitimised the extra-judicial murder of "suspects" (to name but one of many insanely myopic US policies). That will backfire and consume the instigators to whom it 'seemed like a good idea at the time'.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 23 2014 15:06 utc | 68

Hoarsewhisperer 68

there's a saying that u cant fool all the people all the time.

as far as murcuns are concerned,
99% are blissfully ignorant that they have been kept in the dark n fed bushit all day long !

Posted by: denk | Dec 23 2014 16:19 utc | 69

as far as murcuns are concerned,
99% are blissfully ignorant that they have been kept in the dark n fed bushit all day long !
Posted by: denk | Dec 23, 2014 11:19:07 AM | 69

Even if it were as low as 1% that would still be 3,200,000 murcans. That's more than most standing armies in the world. If only half of them decided to go feral (and guerrilla) at the same time, I wouldn't put any money on the 'regime' they wanted to topple.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 24 2014 2:45 utc | 70

Hoarsewhisperer 70

washingtonblog offered 7 reasons for
* Why the “Bad Guys” Keep Winning* ?

here's the 8th, blame the god damned *progressives* !

while uncle sham is committing genocides on a daily basis, where'r the murcun *activists* ?
well they fly all the way to beijing to protest against china's *genocide railway* to tibet ! [1]

at a time when murkka is appropriating unesco certified natural treasures in japan, sk, italy, philippines and turn these pristine paradise into god damned military bases , where are the murcunt *enviromentalists* ?
hmm, they are busy agitating the nacaraguans against the chinese sponsored canal project ! [2]

during the uncle sham engineered color rev in hk, guess what this prominent murcun *progressive*, that dave lindorff guy has got to say about his country's latest imperialist skuldruggery ?
* we as Americans should be doing is demanding that washington China stay out of Hong Kong's business * [sic, sic, sick ]
yeah right mr progressive, beijing should fuck off and let your cia/ned/usaid have a free hand orchestrating a *tam massacre*

with *progessives* like these.....

*On Friday, three women from the United States, Canada and Britain were detained after unfurling a banner at Beijing's main train station reading, "China's Tibet Railway, Designed to Destroy."

Others planned to protest Saturday outside Chinese embassies abroad.*
recall that the only olympics tarred with the label *genocide olympics* was the 2008 event in beijing, uncle sham sent a gift to china for good measure, the bloody riots in llasha. !

*chinese out of nicaraqua* !!!

here's no 9
*proggressive* site washingtonblog censored my comment !!

Posted by: denk | Dec 24 2014 9:44 utc | 71

US-ian pwogwessives

Possibly the most useless and disgusting retards on the planet

Posted by: Rogan Josh | Dec 28 2014 17:24 utc | 72

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