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December 11, 2014
Open Thread 2014-31

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A particularly good story that clearly describes the strategy used by the Obama administration to keep the CIA torture program as undisclosed as possible is Charlie Savage’s U.S. Tells Court That Documents From Torture Investigation Should Remain Secret. Here is a critical passage:

Michael Davidson, who was the top lawyer for the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement in 2011 and who worked on the first four years of its investigation, portrayed the executive branch’s stance as a Catch-22.
“One agency of the executive branch (the C.I.A.) complains that no one was interviewed,” he said in an email. “Another element of the executive branch (D.O.J.) actually conducted lots of interviews,” he added, referring to the Department of Justice.
Its investigation made it difficult for a Senate committee to conduct interviews. So check there. Then D.O.J. objects to disclosing them. So checkmate there. That leaves the C.I.A. free to complain about lack of interviews. Pretty neat,” he said.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Dec 11 2014 21:02 utc | 1

I just watched the full speech, he never calls for those who perpetrated these crimes to be prosecuted! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUDTWzzcIQ&list=PLuf794ZZ4y0sNXsemmabViDQWBHNawXtz

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Dec 11 2014 21:03 utc | 2

USA Scuttled Negotiations to Free American Killed in Yemen
Luke Somers was not in immediate danger prior to the first raid launched to free him last month. Two of those sources also claim that the United States thwarted attempts by a meditator to negotiate his release by paying a ransom.
The murky world of hostage negotiations leaves few good choices, but Somers’ death highlights the continuing tension the U.S. government faces when dealing with Americans kidnapped by Al Qaeda and its various affiliates and offshoots. It also calls into question the effectiveness of using military raids, rather than negotiations, as the primary tool to free hostages.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/11/u-s-scuttled-negotiations-free-american-killed-yemen/

Posted by: the intercept | Dec 11 2014 21:05 utc | 3

US agency infiltrated Cuban hip-hop scene to spark youth unrest:

The programme is laid out in documents involving Creative Associates International, a Washington contractor paid millions of dollars to undermine the Cuban government. The thousands of pages include contracts, emails, preserved chats, budgets, expense reports, power points, photographs and passports.

Posted by: Maracatu | Dec 11 2014 21:09 utc | 4

A perfect opportunity for Russia to place anyone associated with torture on its sanctions list or better yet issue an arrest warrant for each of them.

Posted by: Lysander | Dec 11 2014 21:20 utc | 5

“the torture post”.. cannonfire

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2014 21:26 utc | 6

great idea lysander.. i wonder how many politicians from the usa that would include?

Posted by: james | Dec 11 2014 21:26 utc | 7

This is just ridiculous.
Ukraine demands more money from the west
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/12/11/389834/ukraine-needs-aid-to-survive-premier/

Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 11 2014 21:50 utc | 8

@ James
Well certainly several cia officials of all ranks, legal advocates of torture and Congress creatures who votes for or just sat on intelligence committees and we’re likely to have known about it. That’s just a start. I’m sure there are others. This is good for the information war and does place a practical restriction on war criminals. Since no one else is going to punish them it is at least a start.

Posted by: Lysander | Dec 11 2014 21:56 utc | 9

this deserves a thread of its own:
Unmasked: “Shami Witness” wasn’t Syrian or Iraqi – but a man in Bangalore http://www.channel4.com/news/unmasked-the-man-behind-top-islamic-state-twitter-account-shami-witness-mehdi …”
http://www.channel4.com/news/unmasked-the-man-behind-top-islamic-state-twitter-account-shami-witness-mehdi
SO how important was this guy?
For four years the Media has been quoting an #ISIS supporting Indian as a #Syria|n activist @ShamiWitnesss #MediaGate http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews
Partisangirl ‏@Partisangirl ·38 mins38 minutes ago
Remember when to the media @shamiwitness was a beloved #Syria|n activist – Only when he became ISIS they bothered to find out he was Indian
its now known who he is:
Leith Abou Fadel ‏@KeepingtheLeith 12m12 minutes ago
#BREAKING @ShamiWitness real name is Mehdi Masroor! He was tracked back to his Google+ account! pic.twitter.com/2y5OpWlJo9

Posted by: brian | Dec 11 2014 22:26 utc | 10

James @9- thanks for the link. I agree with Taibbi- now that the cat’s out of the bag and no one is held accountable there will be a next time and it will be much worse. Think Terry Gilliam’s Brasil.
Here’s one of the torture drs on the kindness of torture:
“It’s a lot more humane, even if you are going to subject them to harsh techniques, to question them while they are still alive, than it is to kill them and their children and their neighbors with a drone,” he said.
After reading that sentence and throwing up in my mouth a little, I have to wonder what kind of a comeuppance this country has in store for it. I”m afraid it’s going to be colossal.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Dec 11 2014 23:29 utc | 11

@ 11
“Indeed I tremble for my country when I consider that God is just. That his justice cannot sleep forever.”
Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Lysander | Dec 12 2014 0:54 utc | 12

Bhadrakumar’s latest on the geopolitics surrounding the recent drop in oil prices vis-a-vis Iran/Saudi Arabia

Posted by: Almand | Dec 12 2014 1:23 utc | 13

hmm
somebody wanna make a fast buck..
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/ebola-vaccine-trial-suspended-joint-pains?commentpage=1

Posted by: denk | Dec 12 2014 4:37 utc | 14

It will be interesting to see if this comes to anything:
Deep Resource: PEGIDA

US State Department mouth piece and colonial overseer der Spiegel is alarmed. Alarmed at the sudden rise of German resistance against mass immigration from third world countries. It began in Dresden eight weeks ago and now it is spilling over to other cities like Düsseldorf, Bochum, Bonn, München, Würzburg, Rostock, Kassel and East-Frisia. The resistance has a name: Pegida (Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes, or in English: “Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the Occident”).
Editor: the protesters call themselves Europeans, not Germans, a very clever move, stressing that all Europeans are in the same boat. And they resist Islam, avoiding racial issues. Our prediction: this is not going to end well for the Atlanticist European political class and satraps of Straussian-run Washington. In fact, it is going to end exactly the same way in which the political class in eastern Europe finally came to its well-deserved end in 1989.

This blogger is a reactionary (he thinks the EU is run by leftists), but his hatred of Atlanticism leads him to take a consistently interesting line. He seems to take a consistently conservative position. Thus, he believes that Europe should recognize its Christian identity, but is also supportive of Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman project.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 12 2014 5:03 utc | 15

somebody out to make a fast buck…
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/ebola-vaccine-trial-suspended-joint-pains?commentpage=1

Posted by: denk | Dec 12 2014 6:12 utc | 16

@13
The last byte in The South’s latest string of bytes… looks to be the same groups of neo-NAZIs in Berlin.
A Maidan in Berlin? Anyone here from Berlin to comment? I tried youtube but didn’t find anything.
I copied the English translation Sahra Wagenknecht’s performance in the Bundestag for easier and more coherent reading and copying … nearly 12000 views as of now. Still peanuts, but apparently the neo-NAZIs on the US payroll in Berlin think this and presumably other growing bits of opposition to the Empire need to be met in the streets?

Posted by: jfl | Dec 12 2014 7:18 utc | 17

@jfl #15:
Is there anyone in the Bundestag worthy of respect other than Sahra Wagenknecht?
One thing Wagenknecht neglected to mention was that Germany was the first country to recognize the independence of Croatia. It was with that that the destruction of the post-World War II order began. Given that Germany was the first country to recognize Croatia, Merkel’s continuing complaints about Crimea becoming reunified with Russia exhibit a hypocrisy without limits.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 12 2014 7:44 utc | 18

@16
Not long ago I read To Kill a Nation … it was the first of Michael Parenti’s books that I’ve read. Typing the title into the search box at btdigg brings it right up. He does a good job of conveying the story there, including Germany’s part, and the non-parallel between the West’s creation of Kosovo and the Crimean’s reunion of Crimea with Russia are so stark, yet so utterly uncomment upon. Outside of here of course.
I don’t know if there are any other honorable people in the Bundestag. Wagenknecht is from the Left party, there was some applause during her talk and I imagine is was her party. But they are out of power and unable to do any more than talk, right?
Is more of a revolt against the empire going on in Germany than just Sahra? I saw Michael Hudson’s take on the situation with German business taking a beating … Wagenknect reports that an SDP pol has reported that “trade between Russia and the US this year has grown” … and there were the “politicians and celebrities” who signed the petition against the Nuland/Obama/Merkel sanctions recently.
Your man Joaquin has an article chock full of very interesting threads on the Turkey-Russia pipeline, I imagine you’ve seen it?
Somewhere I saw a picture and a blurb about Russian generals on the ground in Ukraine talking to Ukrainian officers at the site of their concentration of troops in the Southeast of Ukraine and the words were to the effect that they were there to explain how the Ukrainians might best withdraw and keep their troops intact. Don;t know if it was real or not.
I saw another picture of a very large artillery piece on a truck with lots and lots of wheels … said to be Novorossyan … that was moved away from the new ‘ceasefire’ zone … that could could be redeployed one half-hour. If the shelling has stopped that’s good.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 12 2014 8:36 utc | 19

Merkel’s government has become a farce. On its Web site, the German government said that Crimea has Ukrainians, Tatars, and Germans, but didn’t mention Russians, who actually make up the majority of the population.
Spiegel:
Interneteintrag zur Krim: Wie Putins Außenminister die Bundesregierung düpierte
@jfl #17:
Yes, I read that Flores piece, but I don’t think it was one of his better ones.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 12 2014 10:12 utc | 20

I wonder why none of the questions at Brennan’s “press conference” dealt with questions of credibility – “Isn’t a fact that you lied in the teeth of the U.S. Congress about torture?”, “Hasn’t the CIA lied over and over again about the existence and the effectiveness of of it’s torture program”, “Why are you afraid to call it torture – since it is so defined in U.S. law?”, “So do you deny that the CIA or associates hacked the computers of the very Congressional committee investigating it?”, “Hasn’t the CIA repeatedly obstructed justice by destroying evidence of crime, i.e., the torture tapes?”, “Isn’t there a moral dimension to the question of torture – if not, do you advocate repealing U.S. law against torture?”, “Doesn’t all of the above show that you, and the CIA, consider yourselves above the law?”
Is it because whoever asked such obvious questions, would be considered “beyond the pale” not only by U.S. officials, but also by their sycophant colleagues in the Press? This is what Orwell called double-think: finessing the truth, or rather, shoving it down the memory hole (another Orwell term).
Which brings me to the final point. The ultimate goal of the activities of the U.S. intelligence agencies must be to eliminate and subvert not only historical fact itself, but all honest inquiry into truth – except what can be used for purposes of Empire. The thousand-year Reich isn’t even in the same league as these guys – despite the similarity of methods.

Posted by: kirth gersen | Dec 12 2014 13:00 utc | 21

Posted by: Lysander | Dec 11, 2014 4:20:04 PM | 5
Work for me also

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 12 2014 15:15 utc | 22

Latest from Penny: http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/

Posted by: ben | Dec 12 2014 15:39 utc | 23

Sen Carl Levin wrote a letter about how the CIA tried to force the Czech Republic to back the lie of Mohammed Atta meeting an Iraqi govt agent in Prague.Interesting.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 12 2014 15:44 utc | 24

the smoking gun….
*Operating out of South Africa during the Apartheid era in the early 1980’s, Dr. Wouter Basson launched a secret bioweapons project called Project Coast. The goal of the project was to develop biological and chemical agents that would either kill or sterilize the black population and assassinate political enemies. Among the agents developed were Marburg and Ebola viruses.
Basson is surrounded by cloak and dagger intrigue, as he told Pretoria High court in South Africa that “The local CIA agent in Pretoria threatened me with death on the sidewalk of the American Embassy in Schoeman Street.” According to a 2001 article in The New Yorker magazine, the American Embassy in Pretoria was “terribly concerned” that Basson would reveal deep connections between Project Coast and the United States.*
http://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-project-created-weaponized-ebola-in-south-africa-in-the-1980s/5408896?print=1

Posted by: denk | Dec 12 2014 16:48 utc | 26

@ 22.
It’s still Sci-Fi despite Raw Story’s credulity. The vid is ‘delightfully vague’ (and VERY Hollywood) and reminds me of the ABM interceptor tests in which the target missile continuously transmitted its GPS location.
Unless the laser operator knows the precise location of flammable/explosive material inside a target, there is no way that a laser can cause a significant explosion. The most one could hope for would be to burn holes or short, non-contiguous, slots in the target. I wouldn’t take the “all-weather” claim too seriously either.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 12 2014 16:56 utc | 27

A laser cannon could be handy for damaging stationary, land-based targets but getting the ship on which it is installed close enough to aim it accurately, and far enough away to avoid being blown out of the water, could be problematic.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 12 2014 17:11 utc | 28

From Cannonfire: http://cannonfire.blogspot.ca/

Posted by: ben | Dec 12 2014 18:02 utc | 29

@ 24 & 25: I think most posters here understand the concept of NOT believing everything that’s posted here:) At least I hope so.

Posted by: ben | Dec 12 2014 18:08 utc | 30

@9 lysander. i agree with you on this as, but i wonder how much the western msm would cover it? it seems like the only info that goes to press is info scathing of russia, but never of the usa and the west. this disclosure of the cia’s torture program and agenda would be an exception and perhaps a type of watershed moment. we’ll see. i am beyond cynical at this point.
@11 nana – that is disturbing. the usa took a wrong turn somewhere historically with letting the cia have as much power as they have without the oversight.
@19 kirth gersen. excellent questions and great observations on it all too.

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2014 18:29 utc | 31

@9 lysander – LOL all weekend! While they are at it maybe they should give Tsarnaev’s defense team all the info they shared with the FBI about the investigation into his brother Tamerlane. hahahahahaha. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: sillybill | Dec 12 2014 20:04 utc | 32

@25. You have a point Hoarse. When you look at the details these things rarely measure up. That won’t stop the navy ordering a few thousand.

Posted by: dh | Dec 12 2014 20:18 utc | 33

Ben@22, I would like to see the USS Ponce, very appropriately named [a man who lives off a prostitutes earnings]fend off an attack by the most rudimentary undersea attack vessel, of which Iran for instance, have an abundance of.

Posted by: harry law | Dec 12 2014 20:51 utc | 34

I am late in finding your site. I was clued to it by an investment advisory group so you are hitting all segments of US Society!
You are American journalism at its best. As a follower of the first journalist, Anne Newport Royall, who chronicled the early days of our Republic, who came from your area, it is great to see the penchant for real facts still emanates from the South!
At 90 years of age, I still follow what is happening in our world, after years spent with my husband, rebuilding it after WWII. I have watched the growing agencies of our victorious government and its anglo partners gradually build their empires within the international structures promoted to accommodate them, giving them access to both white and black sources of financing, exempt from any sense of morality or evenhanded actions. That this scandal was not exposed in The West was not a mystery to us since it accommodated a strange maneuver which began in the early 19th Century just as the USA got its first wings and began to fly as a nation.
Conspiracy is a hot item in discourse today as it has been throughout history and it does exist. In our world much of the action is designed and directed by people who masquerade as members of one of the oldest religious groups in the world but who chose early a heretical departure from that group. This strange fact has clouded claims of “anti-semitism” ever since, this group using it when ii needs it and then using it again as a cover as they move in their own directions for their own aggrandizement.
I refer to those who are known to The West as the Sephardics but who really should be called the Sephardim since their stay in Spain was long after they had made their mark in our world. Their name signifies their passion with numbers, how combinations can explain all the mysteries of life and their obsession with this knowledge which they add to every year that passes. Sephardim recalls the main equation that they worship – 7/11. In effect they worship what arabic numerals can mean and do and they are the ones who replaced Roman numerals with arabic ones, our present way of figuring everything in life! With this knowledge, they have taken our world and we are their creatures.
This situation has been hidden long enough. It is time to reveal it. The Sephardim themselves hint at it. Lloyd Blankenfein, head of Goldman Sachs, spoke out a year ago and told his critics he was doing God’s work and therein lies a tale that Sir Walter Scott told in Ivanhoe, especially the four chapters about international banking, how it came to the British Isles, with the ranson of King Richard , the Lionhearted,removed after the first edition sold out! You can still access those impounded bits of history if you visit the British Israelite Society still headquartered in the manorial home of Lord Rosebury near to Edinburgh. Lord Rosebury was the pal of Randolph Churchill, father to Winston, who was the son of the Jeromes in Brooklyn, NY not just a scion of Blenheim , and the Marlboroughs. All were Sephardim!
A study of the Sephardim will lead you to connections long hinted but never confirmed. It may not solve any problems but it can clear the way to a thorough understanding of what really runs our world.
Regards, Alice Maxwell

Posted by: Alice Maxwell | Dec 12 2014 21:25 utc | 35

Symbolic powers, archetypes,psychoid entities whatever you might call them, they are accompanying the crazy and the humble with their light in the sky, and what goes up must come down, according to their daily example.
A lonely scholar of astrology and history in Bavaria, Germany, did a sincere as possible kind of work to provide his observations about the next 7 months in his 2. language.
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2014/12/berlin-kiew-and-russia-in-next-7-months.html

Posted by: mundanomaniac | Dec 12 2014 22:32 utc | 36

@18 Demian
On the Flores piece … funny, I thought it was one of his better ones. He delivered ‘just the facts’ or in this case just that primary hypotheses and didn’t bother to spin second and third level syntheses to ‘explain them’.
The primary hypotheses were/are all interesting in themselves and help to flesh out the elephant … without creating a griffen.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 12 2014 22:56 utc | 37

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-cheers-us-vote-military-aid-russia-outraged-205849643.html
This will end well I’m sure.

Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 12 2014 23:01 utc | 38

@35 jo6pac – this picture sums it up.

Posted by: james | Dec 12 2014 23:35 utc | 39

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/12/12/389896/how-to-protest-israels-settlements/
This Week’s Comment with George Galloway
As Israel continues with its illegal settlement expansion on the Palestinian lands, more and more Palestinians in various parts of the occupied West Bank are given demolition orders.
Meanwhile, a minister in the Palestinian Authority lost his life as he participated in a march by some 300 Palestinians who planned to plant olive trees as a symbolic act of protest against Israeli settlements.
In November, Human Rights Watch (HRW) urged Israel to end the destruction of Palestinian homes, saying the practice can amount to a “war crime.”
Israeli settlements are considered illegal by the UN and most countries because the territories were captured by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967, and are hence subject to the Geneva Conventions, which forbid construction on occupied lands.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 12 2014 23:45 utc | 40

@35 @36
Could this be the first of the 350 mega bucks in supplies?
Where are all the folks who championed the Ukraine winter as the no war season? Seems to ‘hotting’ up.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 12 2014 23:52 utc | 41

@37 guest – israel=rogue nation. laws don’t matter, but shite what a watered down statement that is from hrw – “…the practice can amount to a “war crime.””
@38 jfl – the usa’s main physical export! the psychological one is ‘terror’ and as the report from the senate tells us – they have been exporting plenty of that too.

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 0:03 utc | 42

@37
‘ Israeli settlements are considered illegal by the UN and most countries because the territories were captured by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967, and are hence subject to the Geneva Conventions, which forbid construction on occupied lands. ‘
Yeah, but the Israeli Fundamentalists operate in the Bronze age, asserting their right of divinely aided conquest.
And the 21st Century coalition of the unwilling back this set of ‘good’ jihadis 100%, championing their jihad.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 0:14 utc | 43

Max Keiser has an great takedown of all the clowns in the West crowing over the Russian rouble being down. His co-host, Stacy, likens those craven fools gloating over Russian inflation to Madeline Albright’s crowing over the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children due to western sanctions in the 1990s.
Max and Stacy point out that Russians have a ridiculously high percentage of disposable income (averaging 60%) because of the privatization of state-owned homes. People of course didn’t pay for housing in the USSR because it was provided by the state. Most people don’t pay now because they were all privatized. Inflation matters of course, but hardly in the same way it crunches the proles of the west.
Max and Stacy point out that the ruble may be down (as are some other currencies because of oil being down like Norway and Nigeria) but no currency is down as far as Ukraine’s. And those in the west will soon be forced to bail out Ukraine – so who is winning there?
Russia has a massive sovereign wealth fund and an excellent balance of payments. Russia could hold out with its saved cash for seven years. Ukraine? Three weeks. The UK – where much of the gloating is happening – three months.
__________
The fact is, like always, the proles of the west are paying for everything. We in the West are left only with our chauvinism and “exceptionalism” to comfort us.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 1:54 utc | 44

Max Keiser has an great takedown of all the clowns in the West crowing over the Russian rouble being down. His co-host, Stacy, likens those craven fools gloating over Russian inflation to Madeline Albright’s crowing over the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children due to western sanctions in the 1990s.
Max and Stacy point out that Russians have a ridiculously high percentage of disposable income (averaging 60%) because of the privatization of state-owned homes. People of course didn’t pay for housing in the USSR because it was provided by the state. Most people don’t pay now because they were all privatized. Inflation matters of course, but hardly in the same way it crunches the proles of the west.
Max and Stacy point out that the ruble may be down (as are some other currencies because of oil being down like Norway and Nigeria) but no currency is down as far as Ukraine’s. And those in the west will soon be forced to bail out Ukraine – so who is winning there?
Russia has a massive sovereign wealth fund and an excellent balance of payments. Russia could hold out with its saved cash for seven years. Ukraine? Three weeks. The UK – where much of the gloating is happening – three months.
__________
The fact is, like always, the proles of the west are paying for everything. We in the West are left only with our chauvinism and “exceptionalism” to comfort us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36eKZw0xY4

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 1:55 utc | 45

@42 guest – finances are critical to the well being of a country. the issue of the rouble is a major concern. unfortunately no one seems interested in understanding the opaque circumstances surrounding money and monetary policy, let alone concepts about central banks and etc. it seems this conversation pops up every week to two weeks.. i happened to notice the saker has an article up by sergei glaziev which you or others might enjoy reading here.
here is a quote from it. “A mechanistic picture of the equilibrium of the economy remains for amateurs; it is used to convince them of the uselessness of government intervention in the economy. This theory is being hammered with special tenacity into the public consciousness of developing countries in order to deprive them of the ability to creatively develop their institutions, which are replaced with the “free market” forces and managed by developed capitalist countries’ monopolies. Unfortunately, our monetary authorities willingly adhere to this mythology without understanding the basic meaning of how credit functions in a modern economy.”
by ‘our monetary authorities’ he means the folks running the russian central bank. unfortunately most folks don’t understand how gets selected to run a central bank, or the principals under which a central bank operates. i am not going to try to explain it either. i left a post on a previous ‘open thread’ in the past 2 weeks and like this one – it typically leaves people scratching their head and moving on to something more tangible or concrete..
here are a few of my posts on moa concerning the topic of the “russian central bank” and etc.. post 180 on this thread from november 29th and also here at post 114 where i even asked demian a question connected to the same topic..
at any rate, for anyone interested, i would like to get a better understanding of all this myself and it seems like many inside of russia, including sergei glaziev are struggling with the topic too..

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 2:34 utc | 46

@41 @42
Worth reading twice, especially the bit ‘below the fold’.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 2:41 utc | 47

The EU and the Ukraine stand to lose the most from the current US policies against Russia

Truly, it is the Ukraine and the EU who are most at risk from the current trend. They are the sacrificial lambs of an AngloZionist Empire gone insane in its arrogance and hypocrisy. If the AngloZionists succeed in triggering a Russian-Ukrainian war the Ukrainians will, of course, lose it while western Europe will become completely subjugated to the USA for many years to come under the pretext of protecting Europe form a completely fictional “Russian threat”. Considering how totally subservient to Washington EU politicians are and the total control the US is having over the Nazi junta, the only hope is for a late and miraculous wakeup of the European or Ukrainian people. I am not holding my breath, even if hope dies last.

All of what the Saker says makes sense, but the USA is bereft of sense, the EU is following its mad lead, and the people running the Ukraine seem perfectly willing to burn Ukraine to the ground and hightail it to the UK, along with their brothers, the Russian oligarchs.
None of them are at all concerned that their ‘plan’ might go wrong and end up burning not ‘just’ the Ukraine but our one and only world, whole.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 3:19 utc | 48

The only hope now does seem to be in Saker’s last sentence … the revolt of the Ukrainian troops, “We who are about to die … turn out arms against the Emperor instead!”. Maybe it will happen.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 3:23 utc | 49

@43 haha, thx, sorry for the double post.
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Something for everyone: Paul Craig Roberts on the Radio w/ Noam Chomsky: The Future of Capitalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmWwxe9GHo

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 3:24 utc | 50

@44 – I do fear this more than anything. The Ukrainian and Russian people forced into war by the west. And what a vicious, brutal war it would be. And likely the end of any independent action for any country on the globe anywhere.
Its a disgusting thought, in fact. That would signal complete US Cold War victory. And would be the most foul example of the power of propaganda to tear people apart.
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I would note that the people who most virulently believe in the myth that the Ukrainian Famine of the 1930s was some sort of planned genocide were not even a part of the USSR at that point. These were the western parts of the country that were formerly part of Poland and Czechoslovakia. The parts that became part of – and fought for – the Nazi empire. Flooded with propaganda – then and now. Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen played these Ukrainians like fiddles. During WW2 as head of Nazi intelligence on the Eastern Front, and as the head of the West German intelligence during the post war period.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 3:32 utc | 51

I have to re-recommend Lenin’s “Imperialism: The Highest Level of Capitalism” to everyone. It’s a super fast read and very readable. Like an economics op ed by Michael Hudson – that level.
So many things that hit home – especially for anyone living in one of the West’s deindustrialized luxury cities (NY, London, Chicago, LA, Paris):

“The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods; all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa. . . . We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of great powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy. “

Consider NYC and London – filled with bankers, oligarchs, and trust funders, others doing well as culture workers or in tech firms. Real industry gone away, the cities flooded with tourists and fun-seekers. Lenin wrote this 100 years ago, yet it describes the present almost perfectly. Much of the book will strike readers like this I think. It did me.
I’d combine it with Ida Tarbell’s The History of Standard Oil which you can get free as an audiobook on Librivox (along with a bunch of other great, free titles!). It really fills in the Capitalism of the time Lenin (and Marx) describe. Worth a listen – very good readers!

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 4:08 utc | 52

Last post, I promose:
Sad but true:
The Dark Side of the Liberals’ Darling
Reality, Politics and Elizabeth Warren
By Robert Fantina
During Israel’s most recent slaughter of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, when Mrs. Warren was asked her opinion of Israel bombing families, she literally ran away from the reporter!

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 4:11 utc | 53

Russian Spring
12/12/2014-23:07
Evening summary from fronts by combatant Prokhorov:
It was not just Donetsk Republic south (Pavlopol`: punitive troops of battalion “Azov” bolstered by Ukrainian army’s armor ran against the combatants leaving 2 troops killed and 3 wounded; 2 combatants died in clash). In Lugansk Republic, near city Schast`ye, also active ceasefire by mortars took place in area of the bridge. As well as in areas of Veselaya Gora (Merry Mount), Trekhizbenka, and Bakhmutka as a whole.
By the way, a felon battalion “Tornado” has arrived in Lisichansk. All shit such as “Donbass” and “Tornado” was dispatched to Lugansk Republic.
Russian Spring
12/11/2014-23:07
Fist President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk: Minsk negotiations is humiliation of Ukrane
“Ambassador of Russia Zubarov is taking part there. However, Lavrov (Head of Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia) declared that Russia did not sign anything. Zubarov is an observer. He is assuring a shape of document in our negotiations between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. It is okay to bear humiliation when life or death of our people is on the table, but not to the such degree” – said Leonid Kravchuk.
According to him, it was President of Russia Vladimir Putin who convinced the West to shift negotiations from Geneva to Minsk for a Geneva agreement would have had much higher international status.
At the same time, the First President remarked that Ukraine must accept this format of negotiations, “because there is no alternative”.
However, having concluded the negotiations, the Supreme Rada (Ukrainian Parliament) must call for all Parliaments of the World, including those signed Budapest Memorandum, to stop Russia aggression against Ukraine.
“Never will Russia let Ukraine alone voluntary. If we go to Europe and go in earnest, a rupture in the conflict is inevitable. I do not know whether the rupture will be peaceful or violent, but it will happen”

Posted by: Fete | Dec 13 2014 4:59 utc | 54

guest 77 @ 37: Thanks for the Galloway piece. Another great voice crying in the wilderness.

Posted by: ben | Dec 13 2014 5:08 utc | 55

Time to drop a few quarters in the jukebox.
Time to cleanse the palate, too much time of late with the volunteer battalion commanders in Banderastan. Some folks in the past mentioned some “must-hear” music, I’ve finally gotten a chance to get back to it.
Demian —
As promised back in early sept. (see 9/13, disc. of Ukr. and Strelkov) a few thoughts about some music you recommended.
My Bloody Valentine — I looked on Amazon for the “Bestselling” mp3’s, listened to a few, did more or less the same with YouTube. A simple popularity contest, won’t find the back-catalog gems, but it’s a start. The Glider EP appealed to me most. Liked what I heard, the instrumentation and vocals in reminded me of the Cranberries, bits like “Zombie” on their second record. Wikipedia reminded me — both from Dublin.
Wikipedia noted the late, great Joy Division as an influence, and their influence on Smashing Pumpkins. Hip to them since the 1992 soundtrack for “Singles” with “Drown”, which helped popularise grunge. Give “Chloe Dancer/Crown of Thorns” by Mother Lovebone on that same soundtrack a listen, if you don’t know the song. The Wiki for the song says quotes reviewers calling “fantastically melancholy,” “beautifully swirling” and “eerie”. Spot on, they are.
It might be unfair, but Rammstein struck me a pretty std. issue heavy metal. But I’ll keep ’em on the radar, one’s taste always evolves.
I always leaned more towards hard rock, as opposed to what someone at work just today called “screamers from the 80’s”. A younger brother was a metalhead, I had cred with he and his buddy thanks to my love of Jethro Tull (“Aqualung” is probably their best, with 1st. side of “Thick as a Brick.”) I have a little Metallica (awesome “Whisky in the Jar”). I really loved “Discipline,” by the Adrian Belew installment of King Crimson, sort of in lieu of metal (see Indiscipline, from that album).
A few of some recent groups in that line that I’ve liked (don’t own them, but turn ’em up on the car radio) — Staind, So Far Away, Seether w/ Amy Lee Broken, and Linkin Park Shadow of the Day.
I think live performance is the best way to assess a musician, but I like the string section in “Broken” too much.
James —
I had a look at Downie’s Country of Miracles on YouTube. I liked Who By Rote & Drowning Machine. I find it interesting that Walla from Death Cab for Cutie is currently involved with the project. “Grapevine Fires” really put them on my radar, a startlingly melancholy and enigmatic song for the radio.
I don’t know if you’re a fan of Bruce Cockburn, but here’s a really great duet version of If I Had a Rocket Launcher, maybe the best political song of the 80’s. Sadly, as timely now as it was back then
And finally, folks, just a nice, well-crafted contemporary alt-pop song, by Chvrches, The Mother we Share. It’s a love song, of a sorts, I think. “When it all fucks up, you put your head in my hands
It’s a souvenir, for when you go.” Still, a great sound.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 5:55 utc | 56

Time to throw a few quarters in the juke box.
I need to cleanse the palate, too much time of late with the volunteer battalion commanders in Banderastan. Some folks in the past mentioned some “must-hear” music, I’ve finally gotten a chance to get back to it.
Demian —
As promised back in early sept. (see 9/13, disc. of Ukr. and Strelkov) a few thoughts about some music you recommended.
My Bloody Valentine — I looked on Amazon for the “Bestselling” mp3’s, listened to a few, did more or less the same with YouTube. A simple popularity contest, won’t find the back-catalog gems, but it’s a start. The Glider EP appealed to me most. Liked what I heard, the instrumentation and vocals in reminded me of the Cranberries, bits like “Zombie” on their second record. Wikipedia reminded me — both from Dublin.
Wikipedia noted the late, great Joy Division as an influence, and their influence on Smashing Pumpkins. Hip to them since the 1992 soundtrack for “Singles” with “Drown”, which helped popularise grunge. Give “Chloe Dancer/Crown of Thorns” by Mother Lovebone on that same soundtrack a listen, if you don’t know the song. The Wiki for the song says quotes reviewers calling “fantastically melancholy,” “beautifully swirling” and “eerie”. Spot on, they are.
It might be unfair, but Rammstein struck me a pretty std. issue heavy metal. But I’ll keep ’em on the radar, one’s taste always evolves.
I always leaned more towards hard rock, as opposed to what someone at work just today called “screamers from the 80’s”. A younger brother was a metalhead, I had cred with he and his buddy thanks to my love of Jethro Tull (“Aqualung” is probably their best, with 1st. side of “Thick as a Brick.”) I have a little Metallica (awesome “Whisky in the Jar”). I really loved “Discipline,” by the Adrian Belew installment of King Crimson, sort of in lieu of metal (see Indiscipline, from that album).
A few of recent groups I’ve liked (don’t own them, but turn ’em up on the car radio) — Staind, So Far Away, Seether w/ Amy Lee Broken, and Linkin Park Shadow of the Day.
I think live performance is the best way to assess a musician, but I like the string section in “Broken” too much.
James —
I had a look at Downie’s Country of Miracles on YouTube. I liked Who By Rote & Drowning Machine. I find it interesting that Walla from Death Cab for Cutie is currently involved with the project. “Grapevine Fires” really put them on my radar, a startlingly melancholy and enigmatic song for the radio.
I don’t know if you’re a fan of Bruce Cockburn, but here’s a really great duet version of If I Had a Rocket Launcher, maybe the best political song of the 80’s. Sadly, as timely now as it was back then
And finally, folks, just a nice, well-crafted contemporary alt-pop song, by Chvrches, The Mother we Share. It’s a love song, of a sorts, I think. “When it all fucks up, you put your head in my hands
It’s a souvenir, for when you go.” Still, a great sound.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 5:59 utc | 57

russia beware, the sobs have 11 biowar labs in ukraine !
http://journal-neo.org/2014/12/11/rus-e-bola-kto-vinovat-v-ee-vspy-shke/

Posted by: denk | Dec 13 2014 6:01 utc | 58

Corr to 53
I had a feeling one of the links was off — Indiscipline.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 6:02 utc | 59

g77 at 46 —
I saw you had that problem, I checked twice before reposting.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 6:04 utc | 60

test

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 6:11 utc | 61

test 2

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 6:14 utc | 62

test 3.

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 6:23 utc | 63

post with a link.. maybe putting the link into it is interfering with my ability to post!!!
trying to post this for a 3rd time… it is weird why these posts of mine on financial matters go into a black hole at moa, while none else do!
regarding guest posts @41/42
understanding opaque financial matters is very difficult. the concept of central banks and fiat currencies has this as it’s intention too, although no one would ever come out and directly say this. most people aren’t interested in this topic! i have commented on this topic a few times in the past few weeks. see my posts 114 and 115 on the December 02, 2014 Open Thread 2014-30 if you’re interested in what i said last time. fwiw – i also asked demian some questions too, but he probably missed the post.
sergei glaziev has a recent article at sakers which goes into more of this..
here is a quote from him from the article above :”A mechanistic picture of the equilibrium of the economy remains for amateurs; it is used to convince them of the uselessness of government intervention in the economy. This theory is being hammered with special tenacity into the public consciousness of developing countries in order to deprive them of the ability to creatively develop their institutions, which are replaced with the “free market” forces and managed by developed capitalist countries’ monopolies. Unfortunately, our monetary authorities willingly adhere to this mythology without understanding the basic meaning of how credit functions in a modern economy.”
what he means by ‘our monetary authorities’ is those individuals running the russian central bank. to understand all of this it is important to realize those who lead the cbr – central bank of russia – are independent of the russian political system, just like at the federal reserve in new york. the politicians can have some say over who gets chosen to lead the central bank, but only in a hands off non meddling way. all these central banks are connected to one another and a part of the imf that has a system and way of doing things.. as i understand it, russia is classified as a “developing” country by this system as opposed to a first world country that is a “developed” country.. what it means is a different set of rules apply..read the quote i gave from sergei above to get your head around this. all of this makes sense when one understands that the central bank of any country is like a hidden back door into controlling the fate of the country thru finances – the central bank specifically.
if you’re seriously interested in this topic, go revisit my comments in the previous threads i point to above.. no one is generally interested in this topic as it is too esoteric and opaque for the ordinary person.. demian, if you’re reading this and interested – check out the links and etc on my previous thread as well. thanks.

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 6:31 utc | 64

post without link is what i meant.. when i try to post with link – it doesn’t post..

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 6:34 utc | 65

@rufus magister #53:
Wikipedia noted the late, great Joy Division as an influence
I guess there might be some kind of influence of Joy Division on MBV. I might have said this before, but my three favorite bands are Pink Floyd, Joy Division, and MBV. And I think of MBV and Joy Division as polar opposites. In some ways, Joy Division is the greatest band of all time. A critic wrote that Joy Division “convinces me I could spit in the face of God.” What other band could prompt such a remark? Not the Beatles; not the Floyd. So saying that MBV was influenced by Joy Division offers zero useful information, since any decent English band from that time would have had its mind blown by Joy Division. And Wikipedia says that Isn’t Anything was influenced by hip hop. That is absurd. Hip hop and MBV inhabit different universes.
Yes, Glider gives a good sense of MBV from its Loveless period. Although to get a full impression of MBV in all their glory, you have to listen to Loveless all the way through on a very good stereo and very loud.
I have to say that MBV doesn’t remind me of the Cranberries at all. But then, when it comes to pop music, my range is very narrow: it’s basically Joy Division and MBV and what lies in between. (I’m talking about post-punk music. I like earlier music like the Doors and Neil Young.) Of course, if you listen to bands like Jethro Tull, compared to Jethro Tull, the Cranberries and MBV will appear to have something in common.
Rammstein may be “pretty std. issue heavy metal”, but I don’t listen to heavy metal other than Rammstein.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 13 2014 6:54 utc | 66

@22
I wonder if a mirror would make a good defense against a laser canon. Although probably not as effective as a metaphorical mirror against issues..

Posted by: YY | Dec 13 2014 7:07 utc | 67

@james #60:
I didn’t miss your post. I found it very illuminating, but didn’t have anything useful to add.
I will read the new article by Sergei Glaziev later, and might say something about it then. I think that Glaziev understands what Russia needs to do to get its economic house in order at least as well as anyone else connected with the Russian government.
My impression is that it was enough of a challenge for Putin to understand the thinking involved in mainstream Anglophone economics and finance. So I suspect that he isn’t really able to grasp Glaziev’s economic arguments.

Posted by: Demian | Dec 13 2014 7:08 utc | 68

The problem with the ‘opacity’ of the imperial banking system is not accidental, it is purposeful. ‘Economics’ is another name for bullshit. I always suspected that, as the ‘economists’, aka bullshit artists, ‘discovered’ that economics was governed by ‘natural laws’. And that the ‘free market’ was natures way. The disintegration of ‘economics’ in 2008 proved wht economics was, and is : the description of the MO of the mob of banksters who rob us blind, as viewed in the rear view mirror of their getaway vehicle … properly obfuscated to daze, and confuse those who have not acquired a taste for bullshit. Or just put real people to sleep.
Yes, money has it use. As credit. As a transactional medium. Store of value? uh-uh.
As a transactional medium it is created as needed … by a central bank controlled by a nation in a sane world … by everyone and his brother, and ‘loaned’ into existence, in the insane, mobbed up banksterworld. And when the banksters destroy their own credibility … breaking all the ‘natural laws’ of their bullshit ‘economics’ … their central bank starts creating money our of thin air as it should be … but instead of ’emitting’ it into the real economy gives it to the banksters … who use it as ‘fracktional’ reserves and lend it into ‘real’ existence in the real economy.
Glaziev is plodding, step by step, toward the sane, real world of economics, with the creation of ‘fiat’ money by central banks ‘owned’ by nations … and nations are people … disintermediating the banksters who want to be in on the ground floor of the inverted ponzi pyramid … ‘the miracle of compound interest’, the original ‘something for nothing’ racket. The gentleman’s free lunch counter. Where the trees are believed to grow to the sky.
Neither economics nor politics are rocket science. They both just become so when the the traditional oligarchic system is billed as ‘new! improved! now with equality/democracy added!’
Nothing has been ‘added’ but the volumes of hot air and bullshit required to disguise the fact. And that takes millions of degrees of convolution and reams of paper.
The oligarchs don’t pay it any attention, and neither should we.
The only ones who do pay attention are the bullshit artists, the academics, the academic ‘economists’ and ‘political scientists’. The oligarch’s barkers and salesmen.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 7:33 utc | 69

Interesting take on new EU president Tusk – Tusk Expands EU Russia Response With Pro-U.S. Worldview.
Where is Italian Federica Mogherini of EU Foreign Affairs?
Of course Tusk is aware US policy vs. Ukraine is an economic war on Putin’s Russia with support from oil wealth of leading OPEC nations. The EU will be invoiced for the economic costs effecting more austerity measures dictated by Germany’s Merkel. In the meantime the Dutch are sitting on their hands to delay the MH17 investigation. Some, not all aircraft parts have been salvaged and transported to military base Gilze-Rijen for a reconstruction. Finally Dutch parliamentarians are starting to ask questions about the delay and parts that were censored out of the preliminary report of the “independent” Dutch Safety Board investigation.
New is a second document signed between Ukraine and Kingdom of The Netherlands on July 23.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 13 2014 9:28 utc | 70

My post on an earlier thread …
I heard a Sussex professor speak to a reporter about the Ukraine and western propaganda. The Ukraine is in dire need of another €15bn [$18bn] or it will face bankruptcy. The IMF has reached its limit and the costly war in Eastern Ukraine has emptied the federal reserves. The EU is not in a position to continue funding a bottomless pitt {Greece, Italy and France] and he urged the Ukraine to look eastward and make a deal with Putin’s Russia.
Interesting views from the emeritus professor with perspective of class warfare to neoliberal economics:
Global and local rivalries in NATO’s push towards the Caucasus – 2009

Posted by: Oui | Dec 13 2014 9:33 utc | 71

State Capture and the Democratic Movement by Kees van der Pijl

Posted by: Oui | Dec 13 2014 9:35 utc | 72

#63 YY posedL I wonder if a mirror would make a good defense against a laser canon.
If a perfect mirror were possible then the answer is yes. But it seems that there is no such thing as a perfect mirror. I once tried to understand the reason why this is so but had difficulty with the theory. Apparently Newton was the first to try to explain why mirrors were not perfect — experiments in the 18th century were already showing that mirrors had limits. The theory of quantum electrodynamics explains why according to those who understand this theory. Basically perfect reflectivity is no more possible than measuring the precise momentum of a particle according to the Heisenburg uncertainty principle. The bottom line is that some of the energy of the photons one tries to reflect in a mirror will be absorbed as heat; i.e. it will break the mirror.

Posted by: ToivoS | Dec 13 2014 9:41 utc | 73

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13, 2014 2:33:24 AM | 65
agree. The one thing to understand about the stock exchange is that it is a casino, with people acting like lemmings and lone survivors who manage not to jump off the cliff at the very last moment. The thing to understand about banks is that they run on “trust” and have to default when people lose it. And that without these institutions we would be back to the inconvenience of barter. Which somehow seems to be happening.
Interesting investment recommendation here.

“I continue to view with great interest the energy trade deals that are taking place between Russia and many of the Asian nations. We can now add India to the list, with another major energy and strategic defence deal with Russia. I wonder if, just like with China, this deal is also in their own currency. I’m pretty sure to bet, that as more and more nations walk away from using the U.S. dollar in trade, will have some pretty profitable implications for investors. I’ll be keen to see when Saudi Arabia joins the party.”

I think he is wrong, as these deals are political, mean that currencies will have to be valued against each other, and cheap investment (from the point of view of dollars) will get low return (from the point of view of dollars). Seems to me, the consequence will be a “first world” and a “second world” trade zone where the “second world” wins the war for resources. On the other hand, when all those dollars come back home to roost, maybe the dollar will devalue enough for the re-industrialization of the US.
So there is hope.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 13 2014 10:20 utc | 74

@67 @68
State Capture and the Democratic Movement is very refreshing short read. I’m off to Global and local rivalries in NATO’s push towards the Caucasus – 2009. Thanks.
From what I can make out the US$ 15 billion shakedown of the Ukraine is meant to force them into default and end in the privatization of ‘the bread basket of Europe’. Cargill, Archer Daniels Midland, Monsanto and Dupont will be delighted to pick up the pieces of the US/EU Ukrainian Civil War they’ve engineered. And they’ll try to cast the Russians rather than themselves as the authors of the catastrophe.
Even the poor Ukies consumed with such hatred for the Moskuls must eventually see how viciously and unrelentingly they have been and are being played by the US/EU. If they manage finally to see the lay of the land while they have all those weapons in hand they can overthrow the fascist regime in west Ukraine, repudiate all the debts to the US/EU – they’ve paid them in blood and treasure tenfold already – and work with their brothers and sisters in the east to put together a federated Ukraine and to hell with the hegemons.
Or they can die in battle and leave their families dispossessed and at the mercy of the Huns.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 10:52 utc | 75

@69 @63
I don’t know about laser cannons, but another great read …
QED, Richard Feynman, 2 Photons: Particles of Light

We were talking about light. The first important feature about light is that it appears to be particles: when very weak monochromatic light (light of one color) hits a detector, the detector makes equally loud clicks less and less often as the light gets dimmer.
The other important feature about light discussed in the first lecture is partial reflection of monochromatic light. An average of 4% of the photons hitting a single surface of glass is reflected. This is already a deep mystery, since it is impossible to predict which photons will bounce back and which will go through. With a second surface, the results are strange: instead of the expected reflection of 8% by the two surfaces, the partial reflection can be amplified as high as 16% or turned off, depending on the thickness of the glass.
This strange phenomenon of partial reflection by two surfaces can be explained for intense light by a theory of waves, but the wave theory cannot explain how the detector makes equally loud clicks as the light gets dimmer. Quantum electrodynamics “resolves” this wave-particle duality by saying that light is made of particles (as Newton originally thought), but the price of this great advancement of science is a retreat by physics to the position of being able to calculate only the probabihty that a photon will hit a detector, without offering a good model of how it actually happens.

… at least I enjoyed it. Easy to find, just type in the title at btdigg dot org.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 11:28 utc | 76

Add to:
Actually these deals are political to the degree where India/China and Russia hedge floating currencies with weapons “defense” deals.

Posted by: somebody | Dec 13 2014 11:56 utc | 77

My apologies moa’ers I fouled the link. Here it is.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article186186.html

Posted by: really | Dec 13 2014 12:34 utc | 79

@67
Global and Local Rivalries in NATO’s Push Towards the Caucasus is very informative … about Turkey and the BTC pipeline project especially. It compliments Rick Rozoff‘s talk very well as far as helping me overcome … well, understand the extent of … my ignorance of the whole Clinton/Bush/Obama ‘adventure’ on the dark side over the past 25 years.
Thanks for posting it Khun Oui and thanks again for posting Rozoff, Kuhn Guest77.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 12:41 utc | 80

Defense against lasers is best accomplished by using materials to decohere the light beam. Mirrors won’t work because the backing – unless perfectly reflective as noted above – will melt.
However, smoke or chaff does fine.
Thing is, if the laser beam is sufficiently strong, there won’t be time to deploy the interference until after some number of shots have been fired.
On the other hand, the real problem with laser/line of sight devices is that their range is very poor. Much of modern artillery is indirect; the lasers really are more defense against aircraft and/or slow moving missiles.

Posted by: c1ue | Dec 13 2014 15:04 utc | 81

Demian @ 16, spot on. (and jfl following @ 17. Yes Demian, Flores piece was really poor for him.)
I like Wagenknecht for sure, but.
This piece by Petras is relevant for the larger scope (if posted before, apologies ..)
Petras doesn’t mention that the re-unif. of Germany (D) rested on a deal between Mitterand and Kohl. Mitterand wanted the Euro, and needed Kohl to push the Euro domestically, and agree/enter, as he saw it, mistakenly, as a way to subjugate D’s economic superiority. (Or who knows what was going on in his head!) D wanted to eliminate opposition to a re-unified Germany from Britain and France. So the deal was struck.
— Can’t find a good link attesting this, but see e.g.
http://euobserver.com/political/119735
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_68143.shtml
Ukraine. Here Robinson, a ‘Canadian’ prof re-baptised ‘military analyst’, with whom I agree with 98%, on Russian support in the Donbass.
via Russia Insider, youtube 26 mins
http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/12/13/1853

Posted by: Noirette | Dec 13 2014 15:55 utc | 82

@Noirette
Germany’s chancellor between 1982 and 1998, Kohl said it took him “years” to build the trust and negotiation skills to convince other European leaders of his ideas and push them through.
“And it paid off, for instance in the Frankfurt Bank,” Kohl said, in reference to the concession made by France and Great Britain to allow the European Central Bank to be based in Frankfurt.

No mention of Helmut Kohl’s nemesis? The longest sitting Dutch PM Ruud Lubbers opposed the ‘big-bang’ of re-unification of Germany because of the costs involved and the uncertainty for the Euro to be adopted in the Treaty of Maastricht. Kohl declared Lubbers his #1 enemy and made sure he didn’t get any top job in Europe or NATO. Lubbers was the architect of the third way in Holland to deal with the recession and economic slump of the 1980s.
Ruud Lubbers asked president Reagan and the CIA why they permitted the theft of the blueprints of centrifuges by Pakistan’s Khan and the development of the Islamic atom bomb. No sanctions were imposed on the nuclear proliferation by Pakistan.
Ahead of the US intervention in Kuwait, premier Lubbers made a deal with the emir to compensate the losses made by Hollandia Kloos, which had ties to the Lubbers’ family. In the 90s the family business merged into the new Mercon.

Posted by: Oui | Dec 13 2014 16:42 utc | 83

53;Whiskey in the jar was first recorded by Thin Lizzie back in the day,and yes,Metallica does it well.My favorite Tull album will always be This Was ,and I remember it being the album of Woodstock,as every hearse(a bunch of them,it was standard hippie vehicle) played it.

Posted by: dahoit | Dec 13 2014 17:06 utc | 84

Here’s an interesting debunking of the myth of Khodorkovsky as some sort of principled oppositionist. From Russia Insider, John Hellveg argues that the Jailing of Khodorkovsky Was Crucial for Russia’s Prosperity.

Khodorkovsky had been the ringleader of the lobby that fiercely rejected any increase of taxes on oil and other natural resources. Khodorkovsky had also secured control by way of bribery and intimidation of the Russian parliament, the Duma, which rejected all Putin’s proposals on tax hikes…. Khodorkovsky’s oil lobby was aided by the propaganda influence the oligarchs exerted on the population through the Russian media that they had taken over…. The oligarchs did not stop at lobbying against legislation, they also engaged in outright tax evasion.

He cites work by Michael Hudson and Marshall Goldman, amongst others, for the details of Khodorkovsky’s dealings.
For some real gloom and doom about Banderastan’s econ., try Ukrainian government prepares social collapse.

The fact that consequences of the coup and signing an Association Agreement with the EU will be exactly like the ones we are seeing now was known long before… Maidan. However, deceived by sweet-voiced propaganda, the Ukrainians failed to heed the many warnings. The collapse of the economic and social spheres, as well as isolated protest rallies, are there for everyone to see.

Something for the suspicious to consider, Is Kaliningrad NATO’s Real Target?.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 17:07 utc | 85

And of course after I posted, I found the second pc. by Johnstone I wanted to post. Sho posed the question on Kaliningrad. Also from Counterpunch, Frack the EU: Washington’s Frozen War Against Russia assesses the situation and DC’s expectations. Here’s her introduction.

For over a year, the United States has played out a scenario designed to (1) reassert U.S. control over Europe by blocking E.U. trade with Russia, (2) bankrupt Russia, and (3) get rid of Vladimir Putin and replace him with an American puppet, like the late drunk, Boris Yeltsin.

She goes on to say that US petro-interest (we’re looking at you, Hunter Biden!), amongst others, are interested in the Ukraine’s assets.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 17:23 utc | 86

Oops, I nearly forgot, in case anyone argues that the West Ukaine landscape is filled with “Shiny Happy People” and represents the way forward for the Ukraine, point them towards Patrick Cockburn’s To see what Ukraine’s future might be, just look at Lviv’s shameful past. His conclusion:

Lviv presents itself as a beautiful city reflecting a culturally diverse past. In reality, it is a monument to ethnic cleansing and the appalling willingness of long-time neighbours to murder each other, as I saw earlier this year in Homs and Damascus – something those who want to heat up the conflict over Ukraine and Crimea’s future should keep in mind.

PS. The REM cut, w/Kate Pierson of the B-52’s, is a suitable antidote to the gloom and doom postings. Add their “It’s the End of the World (And I feel Fine)” if you want to up the black humour quotient.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 17:49 utc | 87

@80 rufus
On Diana Johnstone’s post …
‘ The prospect of recuperating Kaliningrad/Königsberg through some manipulated incident could be a factor in the present official German anti-Russian position, which goes against German economic interests and about half of German public opinion. ‘
Only half?! Unsuccessful at provoking “total war” in Ukraine they are going to try in Kaliningrad and only half of the German public is against it?
@78 noirette
The end of Paul Robinson’s talk is telling, neither the EU nor the forces in control of west Ukraine care at all about the the people of … not only Donetsk and Lugansk … and Russia is their only hope.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 17:53 utc | 88

@78
Petras is instructive …

Merkel glosses over the crucial fact that the East Germans were never consulted or allowed to hold a free election to decide what kind of relation they would like with the West German regime. They were never asked under what terms and in what time frame “reunification” would take place. The West German regime seized control and dictated economic and social policies that destroyed their eastern neighbors’ economy by fiat. Hundreds of thousands of East German factory-workers faced brutal arbitrary firings as the capitalist ‘West’ shut closed state factories. East German farmers looked on helplessly as their prosperous, stable co-operatives were dissolved on the orders of West German officials. Where was the democracy in this policy of brutal annexation and political viciousness that slashed the former ‘East’ Germans living standards, multiplied unemployment ten-fold, greatly prejudiced the welfare benefits and employment of female workers and devastated pensioners.?

… and so is Helmut Kohl …

“In the end, representative democracy can only be successful if someone stands up and says: this is how it is. …”

… and now Merkel has said this is how it is.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 18:16 utc | 89

jfl @ 83 —
I would think a mixture of ideology, self-interest, propaganda, and conformism would account for the 1/2.
Someone asked recently if there were any other German politicos other then Wagenknecht making sense (sorry, can’t track down no just who). I’d recommend her entire party, Die Linke (the Left), successor to the DDR’s Communist Party.
They were onto Banderastan pretty much out of the gate. During the 1 Feb. debate in the Bundestag between Wolfgang Gehrcke of the Linke and Marieluise Beck of the Greens, “Gehrcke said that he and his party do not want to see Europeans having any relations with ‘these right-wing-extremist scumbags’ [sic] of the Svoboda, etc., whereas Beck said this was all black propaganda from the Russian FSB intelligence service to discredit the ‘peaceful protests of the people.'”
The posting on the Laroucheist web-site goes on to note Greens Heinrich Boell Foundation, under the leadership of Beck’s husband, Ralph Fuecks, set up an unofficial press center for “the Kiev rioters…not far from the official embassy in Berlin.” Not a fan of the worlds greatest living economist; you’ll note it’s news, not opinion.
In March the leader of the Bundestag fraction, “Gysi was furious that Germany is doing nothing to address the extreme right threat in Ukraine” RT quoted him as saying “With fascists in Ukraine we are doing nothing. Svoboda party has tight contacts with NPD and other Nazi parties in Europe.”
If Germans paid more attention to them and less to the SPD and Greens we’d all be a lot better off.
For a little mood music with it, try King Crimson’s version of “Heroes”. Fripp and Eno worked on that album back in the day.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 18:54 utc | 90

@56/57 rufus.. thanks for checking that out.. yes – bruce cockburn – great song. thanks for the other links as well which i will have to find time to check out!!
@68 demian. thanks.. i wasn’t sure if you had. i think putin is smart enough to understand it all, but the leadership in russia is undecided of how to break this special back door into controlling russia’s monetary system without unleashing something more severe.. as i see it russia is between a rock and a hard place.. all of these bric countries know how this financial octopus has it’s tentacles in everything and wants to devour everything it touches.. they must be working at setting up an alternative system. i don’t know what it means for china specifically as they will be next in line for the colour revolutions and out and out war from the same financial powers that are aiming for russia right now.
@69 jfl – first sentence of yours is exactly how i see it too. and with your first paragraph too by and large..
where we might have a different viewpoint is with the concept of a ‘central bank’.. these central banks seem to be guided by the same anonymous financial oligrachs who have their tentacles into most everything.. i realize it sounds bizarre to say this – but it is how i see it.. some folks think the federal reserve is beholden to the us gov’t for example. they are sorely mistaken and it is the same for the russian central bank too, or canada’s for that matter. the big difference though is at this point most countries are willing to play along and let their countries be exploited in this arrangement.. russia isn’t, or only in so far as they don’t lose their independence.. americans and canucks don’t seem to care – corporations – come on in and rape us – seems to be the viewpoint.
@74 somebody.. stock market=casino.. yes – and guess who the house is? it isn’t the little people who are happy to go along for the ride until the music stops..

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 20:14 utc | 91

i am having problems posting on this site now for some reason…
@56/57 rufus.. thanks for checking that out.. yes – bruce cockburn – great song. thanks for the other links as well which i will have to find time to check out!!
@68 demian. thanks.. i wasn’t sure if you had. i think putin is smart enough to understand it all, but the leadership in russia is undecided of how to break this special back door into controlling russia’s monetary system without unleashing something more severe.. as i see it russia is between a rock and a hard place.. all of these bric countries know how this financial octopus has it’s tentacles in everything and wants to devour everything it touches.. they must be working at setting up an alternative system. i don’t know what it means for china specifically as they will be next in line for the colour revolutions and out and out war from the same financial powers that are aiming for russia right now.
@69 jfl – first sentence of yours is exactly how i see it too. and with your first paragraph too by and large..
where we might have a different viewpoint is with the concept of a ‘central bank’.. these central banks seem to be guided by the same anonymous financial oligrachs who have their tentacles into most everything.. i realize it sounds bizarre to say this – but it is how i see it.. some folks think the federal reserve is beholden to the us gov’t for example. they are sorely mistaken and it is the same for the russian central bank too, or canada’s for that matter. the big difference though is at this point most countries are willing to play along and let their countries be exploited in this arrangement.. russia isn’t, or only in so far as they don’t lose their independence.. americans and canucks don’t seem to care – corporations – come on in and rape us – seems to be the viewpoint.
@74 somebody.. stock market=casino.. yes – and guess who the house is? it isn’t the little people who are happy to go along for the ride until the music stops..

Posted by: james | Dec 13 2014 20:16 utc | 92

Ukrainian militias killed tens of thousands of Jews when Hitler invaded in 1941. But current Zionist oligarchs do not seem to care.

Posted by: Andoheb | Dec 13 2014 21:02 utc | 93

Wonder if Russia will break the sanctions on Iran if the West continues upping the ante. Seems like a smart thing to do.

Posted by: Andoheb | Dec 13 2014 21:05 utc | 94

jas @ 91
My pleasure, I’m always on the lookout for fresh new sounds.
Sometimes simplicity combined with quiet, contemplative rage, like this take on “If I had a Rocketlauncher,” is the best approach.
On the casino stock market, I can’t help but think of “Casablanca” — “I’m shocked, shocked to find gambling!” as the Capt. pockets the cash. My favorite bit “Have you taken leave of your senses, Rick?” “Yes I have Frenchie, sit down over there.”
demian @ 66
Not so much the Cranberries whole catalog, just that song “Zombie” has the same sort of heavy sound and vocal, it seemed to me. It’s a great, popular and versatile sound. Dublin roots of both made me think of it.
I can see Floyd, JD, & MBV sharing a certain dark, heavy sound. As far as spitting in god’s eye, weren’t Clapton, Eno, and Hendrix called by some of their fans deities? Probably a few others, too. But they really don’t come darker than Joy Division, from the name on down the line.
I find the narrow range in pop music intriguing, seems of a piece with your interest in orthodoxy, both hegelian and christian. I try to keep an open mind and current, so my taste is pretty catholic.
I’ve been jamming with Vance Joy’s Riptide and AWOLNATION’s Sail on the local alt-rock station when they come on, they take different approaches, you’ll see. Another recent fave, within the last few weeks, is sort of between the two – Walk the Moon Shut Up and Dance. A really uplifitng video, for all you hard-bitten types, thanks to redemptive power of power pop love.
I have the local jazz/classical and old school r-n-b station on the presets in the car as well. I have some issue with jazz purists, I’m just a sucker for the vibraphone. I’m just a rootless cosmopolitan, at heart.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 22:02 utc | 95

Having gone on at length about music, I’d normally shut up for a while. But a grim bit of news recently posted at New Cold War, not really a surprise, regrettably, Communist Party offices in Kiev attacked by neo-nazis, who have then posted video about it, the article reports.
I need to cheer up, so another spin of “Shiny, Happy People” is in order.

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 13 2014 22:19 utc | 96

As long as we’re recommending music –
I’m generally suspect of straight-forwardly “political” bands but I love bands that are just sort of innately political in what they do and in their spirit (if that makes any sense). The MC5 were sort of both.
The MC5 is a great 1960s band from Detroit with an interesting political history too. Seen as sort of proto-punks for their loud, fast, blues-and-soul influenced garage rock they’re notorious for their most famous lyric: “Kick out the Jams, Motherfuckers!”.
They were active like right at the peak of the counter-culture, in 1968. And it is important to recall that the counter-culture didn’t always mean hippy dippy flower-child bullshit (not that there’s anything wrong with that). These were some extremely hard edged people out there – people ready and willing to take on the cops and establishment. And they were seen as such: surveilled and followed and watched by the FBI.
They were one of the few bands who went through with playing in Chicago’s Grant Park (the link is actual FBI footage of them playing! Cops too stupid to record the best part though… the sound!) during the 1968 Democratic National Convention (notorious, for those outside of the US, for the Chicago Police rioting on demonstrators and even normal citizens who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time). Norman Mailer apparently witnessed them play in the park that day, because they’re briefly described (though not by name) in his first-person journalism novel Miami and the Siege of Chicago.
You have to recall that Detroit was one of the most radicalized cities of 1960s/70s America – Detroit experienced a huge Black Rebellion in 1967. It was a center of the Black Panther Party. In this scene, the MC5 emerged as the loud, fast, blues-and-soul influenced garage rock they’re notorious for their most famous lyric: “Kick out the Jams, Motherfuckers!”.
They were active like right at the peak of the counter-culture, in 1968. And it is important to recall that the counter-culture didn’t always mean hippy dippy California bullshit. These were some extremely hard edged people out there – people ready and willing to take on the cops and establishment. And they were seen as such: surveilled and followed and watched by the FBI.
They were one of the few bands who went through with playing in Chicago’s Grant Park (the link is actual FBI footage of them playing! Cops too stupid to record the best part though… the sound!) during the 1968 Democratic National Convention (notorious, for those outside of the US, for the Chicago Police rioting on demonstrators and even normal citizens who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time). Norman Mailer apparently witnessed them play in the park that day, because they’re briefly described (though not by name) in his first-person journalism novel Miami and the Siege of Chicago.
You have to recall that Detroit was one of the most radicalized cities of 1960s/70s America – Detroit experienced a huge Black Rebellion in 1967. It was a center of the Black Panther Party. In this scene, the MC5 emerged as the wild house band for the “White Panther Party”, a group of white radicals in Detroit that were on the scene for the “Flint War Council” that spawned nearly decade-long the bombing campaign of the Weather Underground.
Here is a decent mini-docu on them (5 min).
The lead guitarist, Wayne Kramer, who eventually went to prison for drug-trafficking – today still makes music but also runs a great organization called Jail Guitar Doors which provides guitars and music training for some of the millions of Americans caught in the massive US penal system.”>wild house band for the “White Panther Party”, a group of white radicals in Detroit that were on the scene for the “Flint War Council” that spawned nearly decade-long the bombing campaign of the Weather Underground.
Here is a decent mini-docu on them (5 min).
The lead guitarist, Wayne Kramer, who eventually went to prison for drug-trafficking – today still makes music but also runs a great organization called Jail Guitar Doors which provides guitars and music training for some of the millions of Americans caught in the massive US penal system.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 23:20 utc | 97

hm… sorry. I must have mangled that somehow… you get the gist.

Posted by: guest77 | Dec 13 2014 23:20 utc | 98

@92
The US ‘central bank’ is in fact de jure owned by the private banks it ‘regulates’. As is de facto the entire US government.
I think that the Russian central bank has an ‘agreement’… as does any central bank in any country that has ever borrowed from and owes money to the IMF … with the IMF and that the Russian central bank is IMF-run. In the case of Russia I think the agreement was signed 1998-9 under Boris Yeltsin when he was the government of Russia. And that that is the problem.
You could look it up. The IMF has a title, Central Bank Reforms in the Baltics, Russia, and the Other Countries of the Former Soviet Union, only US$ 18 for all vi+62 pages.
Not for me. I have found How Russia May Create a More Viable Financial and Fiscal System at Michael Hudson’s site and I think i’ll give that a peep.

Posted by: jfl | Dec 13 2014 23:49 utc | 99

g77 @ 97 —
Nice post. I have to confess, I only know MC5 by reputation. Detroit saw Blacks struggling for equality within the UAW there too, if memory serves.
On recommending music — it is an Open Thread. Crooks and Liars posts a music video open thread every day. I wouldn’t go that far, though. I’ve had a run of “must sees, I won’t press my luck there, though. Somewhere else….

Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 14 2014 0:17 utc | 100