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December 2, 2014
Open Thread 2014-30
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It is a disgrace that after we have the physical evidence we were waiting for, that the media still insists on helping the pro-Brown narrative by suppressing or downplaying the key evidence that exposes liars like Dorian Johnson. Even when witnesses THEMSELVES ADMIT they LIED, the media can’t bring themselves to report that clearly: http://youtu.be/JcJQ1ZjBh8k Everyone who thought Brown was innocent needs to see those facts! Posted by: Tom Murphy | Dec 2 2014 18:38 utc | 1 Syria conflict: WFP suspends refugee food aid scheme
The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate put these people in the street and now he and his European Unit are going to try ‘tightening their belts’, a la Israel and the Gazan Palestinians. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 2 2014 19:20 utc | 2 Oil price slide rocks world economy
Today Turkey, tomorrow Saudi Arabia … Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 2 2014 19:44 utc | 3 Ukraine is doing another thing Nazis do: creating a propaganda ministry:
@1: Peep this, TM: http://cannonfire.blogspot.ca/ Posted by: ben | Dec 2 2014 20:29 utc | 5 After Brazilian election, Dilma taps “Chicago Boy” as finance minister
The reason why Dilma was allowed to win the election is now clear. She will be the mouth, explaining what is not happening, while Joaquim’s hands hold the levers of power. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 2 2014 20:30 utc | 6 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 2, 2014 2:20:06 PM | 2 Posted by: jo6pac | Dec 2 2014 20:31 utc | 7 @Tom Murphy: Posted by: ralphieboy | Dec 2 2014 20:52 utc | 8
That’s Canada, Israel, and the US voting 4 times. The 800 kilogram (or is it megaton) gorilla remains seated in the middle of the room, on a pile of bodies … Palestinians’ and Iranian Physicists’, pointing its finger at Iran, claiming that Iran ‘might’, at some point in the future, enrich Uranium to make a bomb. And it’s puppets dance at the ends of their strings. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 2 2014 20:52 utc | 9 An interesting little blurb in today’s daily brief by Foreign Policy:
There was a story yesterday in the WSJ saying that Obama had signed off on a no-fly/no-go zone in northern Syria to appease Erdogan. This now appears to be neocon disinformation. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Dec 2 2014 21:16 utc | 10 jfl – i enjoy the direction of your posts. Posted by: james | Dec 2 2014 21:19 utc | 11 Meanwhile, the US Israel Lobby Protects Neo-Nazis in Ukraine (Video) Chris Hedges video from TRNN: Don’t care for the host, but CH is always interesting: Posted by: ben | Dec 2 2014 21:26 utc | 13 Good piece on the Russia-Turkey natural gas pipeline deal: NYT Shows How Propaganda Works Posted by: Agent 99 | Dec 2 2014 22:09 utc | 15 @11 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 2 2014 23:56 utc | 16 In a country where police brutality and murder is in evidence every day, where every cop now looks like a black-shirt stormtrooper, in a country with the highest rates of incarceration anywhere, in a country where innocent people are routinely found languishing on death rows, where police forces and repression have more to spend than schools and hospitals, where spying is routine and held to no accountability, in a country where “democracy” is little more than a facade for rule by the wealthy and the powerful – what else should we expect from the police here? Posted by: guest77 | Dec 3 2014 0:32 utc | 17 JFL – your post on the Syrian refugees is brilliant. Posted by: guest77 | Dec 3 2014 0:36 utc | 18 There is every reason to believe that the United States intends a role of Ukraine similar to what the Western Powers sought for the Nazis in Germany: a fanatic bulwark against Russia, fully capable of entering a war with it – winning it not necessary). Posted by: guest77 | Dec 3 2014 0:50 utc | 19 Ukraine’s new government? Ministry of Finance goes to State Department
Posted by: guest77 | Dec 3 2014 0:55 utc | 20 re: UN can’t provide vouchers, short 64 big, several million beneficiaries threatened in the middle east. Posted by: Jay M | Dec 3 2014 1:39 utc | 21 Hi guys, Posted by: Augmented Ether | Dec 3 2014 1:56 utc | 22 @16 jfl..answer to your question – nothing, but if you see the format for posting a link – the example uses Link to ACLU in it.. i forgot to remove that and put “this” in it’s place.. Posted by: james | Dec 3 2014 2:09 utc | 23 @19 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 2:25 utc | 24 Posted by: Demian | Dec 2, 2014 4:52:22 PM | 14 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2014 2:25 utc | 25 ad #25. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2014 2:40 utc | 26 @26 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 2:47 utc | 27 With all due “consider the source”, the guardian’s picture of what’s going on in Syria, in DAESH controlled territories is dreadful … but just not in the way the USG might think — our bombing campaign has wiped out electricity to power the pumps so there’s no running water, gasoline for generators is getting more and more expensive and DAESH have “requisitioned” or stolen everything … oh, and an errant air strike hit two buses filled with passengers. Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 3 2014 3:01 utc | 28 “Not in the mood to write.” Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2014 3:10 utc | 29 Which one is more likely to ‘go’, Assad or Erdogan? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2014 3:27 utc | 30 Our story up unitl now : The CIA brings the Tsaernaev family to Washington from Chechnya planning to groom the brothers as terrorists to be sent back to ‘trouble’ Russia in Chechnya. The boys’ uncle even marries the daughter of Graham Fuller, the CIA’s godfather of al Qaeda.
Terrorism, anywhere on the planet, but certainly in the USA or in the vicinity of the USA’s ubiquitous presence almost always involves the CIA. And, in America, the CIA always walks. No problem. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 3:27 utc | 31 jfl@32 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 3 2014 3:54 utc | 32 @Susan Sunflower #28: Yes, taking heat off Assad — except Hegel apparently was fired after quarreling with Susan Rice about just him, just so and Saudi Prince Miteb visited Washington to lobby about getting rid of just him, just so
The moonie times thinks he’s dandy — he appears to be military-uniform happy and an interventionist with humanitarian aspirations — like Bahrain, cough. Gotta wonder what Bandar is up to these days — taking painting lessons from GWB perhaps? Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Dec 3 2014 4:32 utc | 34 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Dec 3 2014 4:48 utc | 35 Great analysis of current oil news, cogent and easy to follow.
http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20141201/1015350074.html h/t “et Al”@The Kremlin Stooge. Posted by: ruralito | Dec 3 2014 5:11 utc | 36 D@33 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 3 2014 5:36 utc | 37 @5 not when several admit lying and others are debunked by the physical evidence. There is no physical evidence that contradicts Officer Wilson. http://goo.gl/hpoGN1 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html … Posted by: Tom Murphy | Dec 3 2014 7:39 utc | 38 The “taming” of Europe or Putin’s new compromise
One of the Merkel links above had Merkel ‘cautioning’ that following US plans – which of course she will continue to do, like a good girl – had the ‘potential’ of splitting Europe. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 7:59 utc | 39 The city of power grid failure in Detroit is a prime example why the United States of America should no longer be spending taxpayer dollars on interventionist, proxy profiteering, hegemon wars. The infrastructure is falling apart and our labor market skill sets in all industries are getting rusty from lack luster utilization. The politicians need to seriously put aside their partisan differences, which are politically useless and get down to the simple direct matter of rebuilding the infrastructure, innovation, manufacturing, educational and foreign policy aspects of this country before it devolves into some sort of 2nd world militaristic banana republic on the brink of revolution (wait a minute I think we are almost there). Posted by: really | Dec 3 2014 8:04 utc | 40 @33 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 8:10 utc | 41 @22 augmented ether.. Posted by: james | Dec 3 2014 8:17 utc | 42 Tomas Young: November 30, 1979 – November 10, 2014 – My Last Words to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney by TOMAS YOUNG The Importance Of The Cancellation Of South Stream
The sun in Spain – Provance, Italy, the Balkans and Greece – Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 9:39 utc | 44 TEHRAN (FNA)- Top military officials in Tehran strongly rejected western media reports alleging that Iranian fighter bombers have struck ISIL positions in Iraq in coordination with the US. Posted by: ndcenter | Dec 3 2014 10:12 utc | 46 14, 25 Posted by: ChipNikh | Dec 3 2014 10:38 utc | 47 @45
… but, having skipped the first part of the article, you surely skipped the middle and last as well. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 11:45 utc | 48 @ TM #37: “There is no physical evidence that contradicts Officer Wilson.” Posted by: ralphieboy | Dec 3 2014 11:50 utc | 49 US Army Europe commander Lt. Gen. Frederick Hodges today announced a plan to send another 100 US tanks and Bradley AFVs to Lithuania, nominally to counter “Russian aggression.” Posted by: harry law | Dec 3 2014 13:15 utc | 50 HRW praise Poroshenko. Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 3 2014 13:51 utc | 51 “@ TM #37: “There is no physical evidence that contradicts Officer Wilson.” Posted by: ben | Dec 3 2014 15:24 utc | 52 Then there’s this inconvenient fact: Posted by: ben | Dec 3 2014 15:33 utc | 53 @47 Part of the problem was people were shooting off guns, so it was dangerous. Posted by: Tom Murphy | Dec 3 2014 16:17 utc | 54 jfl@40 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 3 2014 16:27 utc | 55 Undo Stalin by Escobar, to discuss (response to Augmented Ether at 22.) Posted by: Noirette | Dec 3 2014 17:13 utc | 56 @ Augmented Ether, 22:
Perhaps we should restore the boundaries set by the Treaty of Olduvai Gorge, and have a general reset for the human condition… Posted by: Vintage Red | Dec 3 2014 18:11 utc | 58 Ah, just saw Noirette’s excellent post at 56, very much expanding on our current, less than ideal conditions and less than trustworthy powers involved. Posted by: Vintage Red | Dec 3 2014 18:19 utc | 59 I just thought of something. Crispus Attucks, a black man, was the first to die in the American revolution for freedom from British tyranny and his sacrifice for freedom has yet to be realized. I say this not to be dramatic but to be totally honest in the magnitude of my sentiments on the subject. In my opinion, the citizens of the United States are not truly free. They are beholden to the almighty dollar and those individuals who control and amassed mass quantities of those dollars, and that includes individuals who are not American citizens. The people who have amassed uber amounts of fiat wealth consider themselves to be the masters of the United States of America. Just look at the brazen $450,000,000 tax cut they are sending to President Obama’s desk. I that is not an extreme example of people who think that they only matter and the rest of us don’t so soon after the helping the 99% rhetoric filled mid term elections, I don’t know what is (I am sure they can easily and brazenly top it though). Posted by: really | Dec 3 2014 18:19 utc | 60 @really #60 “The other problem is the de[m]onization of the word liberal. The constitution of the United States of America is as liberal as it gets. The word freedom is also as liberal as it gets. Think about it, Americans are free to law abidingly roam in public spaces without persecution, they have the freedom to speak their mind, they have they freedom to worship as they see fit etc., etc. These are liberal ideals and conservatives practice them everyday. In my opinion the word liberal should not be demonized or deemed dirty in the eyes of conservatives, it should be seen as just another word which is related to those other words called freedom and liberty. ” Posted by: c1ue | Dec 3 2014 20:21 utc | 61 stfu “WayOutWest” Todashev never admitted shit, which is why he was killed of course. Frankly I’m not sure where you’re getting your information. It seems to be an embellishment of the already overembellished ‘official story’. Why such effort? Does it matter which state thug murdered him with impunity, in his own apartment? Not really. But that is what happened. Posted by: L Bean | Dec 3 2014 22:18 utc | 62 Here are a couple of complementary articles on color revolutions: In US-Supported Egypt, 188 Protesters Are Sentenced to Die Days After Mubarak is Effectively Freed
Obama’s paramilitary police: The “war on terror” comes home
Obama has already rubber-stamped the walk taken by the cop in Missouri who executed the alleged shoplifter on main street. a la Sisi/Mubarak. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 23:40 utc | 64 @60 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2014 23:56 utc | 65 After telling us all how ISIL is going to conquer Turkey. Saudi Arabia and then fight Israel, WoutW is going to spend whatever slight, whispy strands of credibility he has remaining telling us that the “‘roid raging” Todashev was rightly killed by a well-meaning FBI Agent defending himself from … a table. Posted by: guest77 | Dec 4 2014 0:24 utc | 66 @jfl – Thanks for mentioning Parenti. He is a great to hear – and an excellent historian to boot. Posted by: guest77 | Dec 4 2014 0:26 utc | 67 @64 Seems to me liberal is seen by conservatives as lax parenting, drugs, gay marriage etc. i.e a sixties thing. Posted by: dh | Dec 4 2014 0:32 utc | 68 Having been quiet for a few days, I have a couple of rounds of intoxicating links to pour out. Belly up, Barflies, slainte.
As a responsible commentator, after having discussed the complaints of the volunteers, the DB is suitably dismissive. Here’s a classic media ploy — unnamed source, with a swipe at Moscow and a finely hedged bet. (I wonder what the London oddsmakers have on that action? Do I want the over/under or the point spread?)
But folks are out in the streets — Masked people block Khreshchatyk Street in Kiev.
And our heroes in the Azov Brigade have been busy in Kiev as the Nazi battalion raids Kiev plants. According to the report, the volunteers have seized a number of factories with good transport links as staging areas for as yet unspecified future action.
Reuters reported on Strelkov’s softball interview with “Zavtra.” In presenting it, Russia Insider describes it as a slanted opinion piece that “…does present important background on Strelkov and his role, even as it tries to use him to present Russian policies and narrative of East Ukraine conflict in the worst possible light.” Key fact, IMHO, is that after weeks of anti-Maidan demonstrations —
The Donbas is doin’ it for itself, so to speak, in Miners in the Armies of the Peoples Republics. “We are neither separatists nor terrorists. We are people of the working class”, the miners explain on June 18th at the Lenin monument in Donetsk. “We want peace in our country and we want to be heard. Kiev sends mercenaries, murderers, tanks and aircraft against us. We demand an immediate armistice!”
And finally, the most interesting bit, I think, again courtesy of NCW. You may recall, I’ve commented that I usually don’t do videos, except for tunes. But I would call this one some “Must See TV.” Ukrainian Army Major Condemns the War in Eastern Ukraine. Reserve Maj. Oleksandr Taran speaks with Espresso TV about his recent trip with humanitarian aid to the Donbas, where he spoke with fighters on both sides. Attractively sub-titled. Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 4 2014 0:59 utc | 69 Having been quiet for a few days, I have a couple of rounds of intoxicating links to pour out. Belly up, Barflies, slainte.
As a responsible commentator, after having discussed the complaints of the volunteers, the DB is suitably dismissive. Here’s a classic media ploy — unnamed source, with a swipe at Moscow and a finely hedged bet. (I wonder what the London oddsmakers have on that action? Do I want the over/under or the point spread?)
But folks are out in the streets — Masked people block Khreshchatyk Street in Kiev.
And our heroes in the Azov Brigade have been busy in Kiev as well, as the Nazi battalion raids Kiev plants. According to the report, the volunteers have seized a number of factories with good transport links (e.g., railyards) as staging areas for a as yet unspecified future action. Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 4 2014 1:04 utc | 70 And now on to the next round, a cocktail of politics and war. Stirred, not shaken.
Reuters reported on Strelkov’s softball interview with “Zavtra.” In presenting it, Russia Insider describes it as a slanted opinion piece that “…does present important background on Strelkov and his role, even as it tries to use him to present Russian policies and narrative of East Ukraine conflict in the worst possible light.” Key fact, IMHO, is that after weeks of anti-Maidan demonstrations —
Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 4 2014 1:18 utc | 71 The Donbas is doin’ it for itself, Miners in the Armies of the Peoples Republics. “We are neither separatists nor terrorists. We are people of the working class”, the miners explain on June 18th at the Lenin monument in Donetsk. “We want peace in our country and we want to be heard. Kiev sends mercenaries, murderers, tanks and aircraft against us. We demand an immediate armistice!” Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 4 2014 1:28 utc | 72 Thank you rufus. The Kiev cocktail, without the South Stream pipeline, must be less and less popular in Brussels (and Berlin). Posted by: dh | Dec 4 2014 1:29 utc | 73 To DH @ 71 — Posted by: rufus magister | Dec 4 2014 1:45 utc | 74 “…However the Europeans did not envisage that Russia would just supply them with energy. Rather they always supposed this energy would be extracted for them in Russia by Western energy companies. Posted by: ndcenter | Dec 4 2014 1:46 utc | 75 SAN JOSE (BCN) — San Jose police said today that a 14-year-old boy arrested last week in the allegedly gang-related attempted murder of another teen in East San Jose will be tried as an adult. Posted by: Lukas | Dec 4 2014 2:29 utc | 76 Russian Spring Posted by: Fete | Dec 4 2014 4:26 utc | 77 @62
I get the impression that Joaquin/Ernesto are fixing to sue Gene Sharp for his appropriation of ‘Marxist®‘ intellectual property.
Too much attention is being paid to trendy electronic society. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 4 2014 5:37 utc | 78 @john francis lee #76: @66 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 4 2014 8:35 utc | 80 @77 Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 4 2014 9:03 utc | 81 “…The death of the 18-year-old Michael Brown in early August sparked several weeks of riots n the St. Louis suburb and exposed racial tensions that have been building up for years. Posted by: really | Dec 4 2014 9:13 utc | 83 Just listening to Putin’s annual speech where he proposed many changes to increase competiveness of Russia on the global markets. One of the mean he proposed is “full amnesty for capital sent from Russia to off-shore havens and willing to return”. But then he says “we all know how capital is earned here but let’s forget it once and forever” and I have no idea what he means. Can anyone with an in-depth knowledge of Russian economics explain that? Posted by: Ulster | Dec 4 2014 9:46 utc | 84 But then he says “we all know how capital is earned here but let’s forget it once and forever” and I have no idea what he means. Can anyone with an in-depth knowledge of Russian economics explain that? Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 4 2014 11:42 utc | 85 @82 Well, if not by working then how? I’m just not sure if I follow the “Russian humour”. Posted by: Ulster | Dec 4 2014 12:09 utc | 86 … unless one defines “work” as buying politicians to get a semi-exclusive right to export the jobs of workers, living 3 suburbs away, to China. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 4 2014 12:13 utc | 87 The Universal mantra of oligarchs… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 4 2014 12:24 utc | 88 But I thought it’s not allowed by law in Russia? This would imply that oligarchs and politicians in Russia are violating law or doing something illegal… Posted by: Ulster | Dec 4 2014 12:46 utc | 89 @81 & 83 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 4 2014 13:14 utc | 90 The expectation of peaceful protests by elected officials is going to lose traction. You can not have the enforcement, judiciary, and elected representative arms of government all fail their responsibilities to a portion of society, then expect them to to walk passively by plate glass storefronts owned by people who are being supported by public institutions. Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Dec 4 2014 13:21 utc | 91 @87 Posted by: Ulster | Dec 4 2014 15:38 utc | 92 On Gene Sharp. Posted by: Noirette | Dec 4 2014 16:55 utc | 93 ILTA@88 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Dec 4 2014 17:42 utc | 94 To Tom Murphy @ 1
Posted by: kyria | Dec 4 2014 18:22 utc | 95 @82 Well, if not by working then how? I’m just not sure if I follow the “Russian humour”. Posted by: brian | Dec 4 2014 22:01 utc | 96 Posted by: really | Dec 4, 2014 4:13:08 AM | 83 Posted by: brian | Dec 4 2014 22:03 utc | 97 ‘Look at the examples of the late Cesar Chavez of Venezuela and Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Putin is the current target of the western oil industries venom. Disgusting tactics if you ask me. Posted by: brian | Dec 4 2014 22:04 utc | 98 Posted by: brian, 97:
Can you imagine the reaction in DC and the corporate media were the Russian ambassador to hand out cookies in Ferguson? Posted by: Vintage Red | Dec 4 2014 23:05 utc | 99 Yeah imagine the usual suspect faces if russian politicians went to Ferguson.. Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 4 2014 23:39 utc | 100 |
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