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November 22, 2014

Open Thread 2014-28

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james, I do not believe Woodward, just found the reasoning interessting. Today it is difficult to believe anything - but I like to stay informed as to what both/all sides say.

Posted by: Fran | Nov 25 2014 7:14 utc | 101

thanks fran. good to keep an open mind - i agree..

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2014 8:28 utc | 102

Hagel follows Holder. The one leaves the Oreo in Chief holding the bag for Ferguson, the other leaves the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate the champion of WW III

Posted by: jfl | Nov 25 2014 9:57 utc | 103

Angry white Ferguson sympathizers/protesters in Oakland, California show their black brothers and sisters that they support them on the the road to liberation, by blocking traffic and shutting down business as usual. While white Amerikkka may believe that black life has no value, these modern disciples of John Brown are putting themselves on the front line in the war against the corrupt white power structure.

Posted by: Bruce Leroy | Nov 25 2014 10:02 utc | 104

911, anthrax attack, sars, swine flu, mh370, osama bin laden, konys army , boko haram, isis, mh17, ebola, ferguson, *thwarted terra plots* in murikka, uk, oz and ottawa terra attack....
pla hackers, russian hackers, now the syrian hackers..... wow, just wow !

[dial a chao service,
please call (703) 482-0623]

bombers, hackers, snipers, nasty bugs and virus, rioters, nutters,jumbo jet on suicide mission, disapperaing boeings.....
u name it, we got it. ;-)

http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2014/05/1-yr-flashback-pentagon-rule-change.html

Posted by: denk | Nov 25 2014 10:03 utc | 105

make way pla hackers, russian hackers...
here comes the syrian electronic army , hehehehe

http://anothervoicerev184.blogspot.com/2014/11/no-stops-to-hacker-psyops-now.html

Posted by: denk | Nov 25 2014 10:09 utc | 106

@104 denk

I agree. We got a lot of sh!t going on and the vast majority of it is not good.

Posted by: really | Nov 25 2014 10:26 utc | 107

@98 and @99 taken together start to make sense: Putin is Russia's 5th column.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 25 2014 11:18 utc | 108

@Ulster #107:

Why do you hate Russia? Russia minds its own business and doesn't invade other countries, so I don't see why anyone would have a reason to hate it.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 25 2014 11:36 utc | 109

people should go tweet the US embassy in Vienna, and tell them what they think..dont just sit here and bleat....the more who do the more we can generate a response
Mark Sleboda retweeted
U.S. Embassy Vienna ‏@usembvienna 38m38 minutes ago
U.S. will not recognize legitimacy of any so-called “treaty” betw/ Georgia’s #Abkhazia region & Russian Federation: http://1.usa.gov/1pgxgTx

Posted by: brian | Nov 25 2014 12:22 utc | 110

@108 I love Russia and this is exactly why I'm concerned about Kremlin pushing it into the new stalinist era.

P.S. It was no one else but Kremlin's puppet Girkin who started the war in Donbass - even if it's not "invasion" by international law because Kremlin is too weak for open war, it's definitely an aggression against another country.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 25 2014 12:35 utc | 111

France Postpones Suspends Delivery of First Mistral Ship

"The President of the Republic believes that the current situation in the east of Ukraine still does not allow the transfer of the first Russian Mistral-type ships to Russia," a statement from the Elysée Palace said.

Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said ... "If [France] won't deliver [Mistral], we’ll sue and impose penalties. The behavior of the Russian side is strictly regulated by the signed contract," he explained, as cited by TASS.

Posted by: thirsty | Nov 25 2014 13:10 utc | 112

108

Because people are making a living out of this hate.


111

Not surprising, then childish France could expect a suing.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 25 2014 13:56 utc | 113

@108

The West 'loved' Russia under Yeltsin and now 'hates' a Russia that is under Putin, why?

"Inconsistent reformer" is exactly the kind of language the American media typically used when describing Yeltsin during a period when he and his friends were robbing the Russian state like a gang of New Jersey truck hijackers.

What we were calling "reform" was just a thinly-veiled mass robbery that Yeltsin perpetrated with American help.

... and

What Americans missed during Yeltsin's presidency -- and they missed it because American reporters defiantly refused to report the truth of the matter -- was that under Boris Yeltsin the Russian state itself became little more than a cash factory for gangland interests.

... and

let's not forget who the victims were in Yeltsin's reign. Few today remember that the make-or-break moment for Yeltsin as a "democratic" leader came when coal miners in places like Cherepovets and Vorkuta went on strike in support of the revolution. Yeltsin rewarded those same miners by telling them to go fuck themselves when ruthless mine owners in his newly capitalist "reform Russia" turned them into slave laborers and left them unpaid for months and years on end. I visited Vorkuta in 1998 and found the same people who had protested in favor of Yeltsin's "democratic" revolt years before now living off tiny daily rations of rotten eggs and bacon fat. I was with one miner who brought home a single package of a boiled egg, a piece of sausage and a hunk of cheese given to him in lieu of salary at the mine, and solemnly divided it up with his wife and his two kids at dinner. The food came from past-due stocks of old food that the mine owners had traded for with a local store in exchange for coal.

Russians will never be subdued, as Putin commented recently, neither by outsiders nor by their own crooks ... but dont expect the amnesiac west to remember its glorious history.

Russia is 'hated' by the west b/c they are unable to rob or f#k her - in fact Russia has been saying F*K U for sometime!

Posted by: thirsty | Nov 25 2014 15:20 utc | 114

@Bruce Leroy, 103:

Are you also in Oakland? Were you out last night? At one point we took 2mi./3km of Route 580, over 2000 of us going around police barricades across the on-ramps onto the freeway via lots, traffic islands and by scaling dividing walls. According to one legal observer I spoke with 80% of the motorists were with us. After the OPD cleared these sections we marched to take another part of 580.

Where I was we were very multinational (African-American, white, Latino and Asian)--Oakland has over 100 languages spoken within city limits.

In Philadelphia two highway on-ramps were also taken. In New York City thousands blocked three bridges, and chased Police Chief Bratton from Times Square after throwing red paint on him.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Nov 25 2014 16:26 utc | 115

really 106

there's a veritable army of men and women employed by cia/nsa/pentagon , their day job consist of looking for sparks all over the world and ignite it into an inferno. !

*CIA in-house analysts, stung by lapses in predicting the Soviet and Yugoslav collapses, apparently had begun leaning toward a view that ethnic nationalism could split China with the right spark. *

http://www.rense.com/political/uofhprof.htm

Posted by: denk | Nov 25 2014 17:18 utc | 116

@109 demian,

any thoughts on that video i shared @98. here it is again for anyone who missed it. central bankers suppressing russian economy..

so much of what takes place on the international stage is about money/resources.. i agree with those who say russia has something and those who want it - aren't getting it. therefore 'putin' has to be replaced.. i wish these folks who think putin or russia needs to be put down could see the opposition that they are supporting by adopting this stance.

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2014 20:28 utc | 117

@114

I come from a small town in former USSR which I visited a few years ago. There is an central road, which is officially repaired every year with first-quality tarmac but in reality it has not seen any repairs for the last decade or so. Every piece of town infrastructure is old, dirty, abandoned and barely working (electricity is switched off every week for a few hours).

At the same time the local administration folks are driving brand new Lexuses and Toyotas while officially earning around $500 per month.

Because of this first-hand experience I find your theories about "mass robbery of Russia by Westerners" rather ridiculous when I recall the mass robbery of Russia by my fellow Russians. It's obvious for anyone living in Russia, just not for the Kremlin-lovers in the West.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 25 2014 21:41 utc | 118

@114

I come from a small town in former USSR which I visited a few years ago. There is an central road, which is officially repaired every year with first-quality tarmac but in reality it has not seen any repairs for the last decade or so. Every piece of town infrastructure is old, dirty, abandoned and barely working (electricity is switched off every week for a few hours).

At the same time the local administration folks are driving brand new Lexuses and Toyotas while officially earning around $500 per month.

Because of this first-hand experience I find your theories about "mass robbery of Russia by Westerners" rather ridiculous when I recall the mass robbery of Russia by my fellow Russians.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 25 2014 21:41 utc | 119

@118 ulster.. perhaps you can take a trip to fergusson, missouri and report back to us how it is so much better in the land of the free and brave.. it seems you are unable to see kleptomania as performed by oligarchs whether they be under the banner of capitalism or communism.. that is a shame, but then your hatred for everything russian is so intense it inhibits your ability to be objective too..

Posted by: james | Nov 25 2014 23:10 utc | 120

I always love the inevitable and re-occurring debates on this blog that boil down to: If you don't believe the wonderful, infallible Vladimir Putin is the world's defender of Democracy, Human Rights and the One True Hope of Mankind, you are a troll and a fascist.

Then again, it's the mirror of the picture in the Western Media that if you don't believe the wicked, demonic Badimir Putin is the reincarnation of Hitler and Stalin rolled into one, you are a troll and a fascist.

No subtlety in geopolitics, I suppose.

Posted by: Almand | Nov 25 2014 23:35 utc | 121

@119 Have a look, this is house of Angela Merkel. And these mansions of Russian government officials. At the same time inhabitants of my former town in Russia have their electricity switched off every two days.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 25 2014 23:44 utc | 122

@james #117:

I have now watched the first three minutes of that video. The discussion seems to revolve around objection to the Russian central bank maintaining a high interest rate.

In the short term, maintaining a high interest rate is correct, in order to keep the ruble from collapsing as a consequence of the economic war that the US has unleashed upon Russia. As for the long term, Russia is now having to revisit all its economic policies, so my guess is that what is discussed in the video is not very relevant.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 26 2014 1:26 utc | 123

Ulster @ 118 --

Stop it, man, you're killing me, you're too funny. "Because my old town has bad streets, Yeltsin couldn't have had Western help in looting the country."

I re-read thirsty @ 114 and his underlying link at Alternet, and neither says that the West looted Russia. In fact, Taibbi in the Alternet pc. makes it clear Yeltsin and his crew gave the West a run for it's money, if you would. A very nicely pointed account, well worth read, tx, thirsty.

Yeltsin was our Man on the Moskva, much beloved here in the States after destroying the Union, and we definitely had his back.

The piece at Alternet is all about Yeltsin and his cronies accumulating ill gotten gains.

What we were calling "reform" was just a thinly-veiled mass robbery that Yeltsin perpetrated with American help. The great delusion about Yeltsin was that he was a kind of democrat and an opponent of communism. He was not. He was, like all politicians who grew up in that system, an opportunist. He read the writing on the wall and he threw his weight behind a "revolution" that turned out to be a brilliant ploy hatched by a canny group of generals and KGB types to privatize Soviet assets into the hands of the country's leaders, while simultaneously cutting the state free of its dreary obligations toward the rank-and-file Russian people.

He then goes on to detail how Yeltsin swindled the IMF out of nearly $5bn. in the FIMACO scandal in 1998.

It is of course much easier to argue against what you'd like your interlocutor to say. Far easier and safer to ignore it altogether, wouldn't you agree, my Black and Tan Friend.?

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 26 2014 4:25 utc | 124

And to Almand at 120 --

If I might make an attempt at, if not subtlely and nuance, then precision -- temporarily, perhaps even involuntarily amongst the leaders of resistance to Anglo-American neo-con/neo-lib unilateralism, militarism and austerity. And you will of course notice -- no caps.

It's not arguing against Putin or Novorossiya that makes one a troll, it's dishonesty in doing so. And given that junta in Kiev contains actual fascists (see this on "volunteer battalion commander" and new MP Andriy Biletsky, from Russia Insider, Astounding: Top Ukrainian Politician Explains his Nazi Beliefs for example) the word will of necessity come up.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 26 2014 4:53 utc | 125

Russian Spring

11/25/2014-19:58

Operative summary from fronts by combatant Prokhorov:

Due to work of OSCE and consequent calm in area of Bakhmutka, Ukrainians decided clever to send a convoy of supplies and reinforcement to outposts from 25 to 31 (it went through Lisichansk). Cossacks could not tolerate such impertinence and bombarded the convoy.

A battalion from Yulia (Timoshenko) party “Bat`kivschina” sustained casualties under Gorlovka. Officially – 1 killed and 5 wounded, but most likely more (hit by “Grads”).

Depot of volunteers for Ukrainian military in Debal`tsevo was liquidated. There were fallen and wounded.

Ukrainian military either knows or guesses the real casualties. No one believes in official 1060 fallen. Just the military neither can nor knows how to change its tactic. Mishmash is in their heads consisting of Soviet statutes and American movies (helicopters, precision guided weapons, satellites and so on).


Russian Spring

11/25/2014-20:48

Two support vehicles and an APC (all Ukrainian) were burned down today in Nikishino (south of Debal`tsevo half-caldron/pocket). If it was unsuccessful rotation of opponent forces, there must be a lot of 200th (killed) and 300th (wounded).

Ukrainian positions, from which “Nonas” (self-propelled artillery unit) typically shot, were hit by “Grad” today. Results of this attack unavailable, but “Nonas” went silent. It is quiet in Nikishino at the moment. Sporadic crackling of firearms is heard, but this is norm.

Posted by: Fete | Nov 26 2014 5:06 utc | 126

@rufus magister #122:

I think a turning point in the Yeltsin era was the shelling of the Duma. The Saker says that that operation was directed from the US embassy, and I believe him.

In the quote you gave, the phrase "a brilliant ploy hatched by a canny group of generals and KGB types" seems to be completely off the mark. The KGB – as opposed to practically all other Russian institutions – not having been compromised by the US is what allowed Russia to recover. See Putin: The Last Man Standing.

And I really think you should stop responding to Ulster. At this point, showing that Ulster spouts nothing but hate and nonsense amounts to trolling, since everyone has long realized that. If everyone ignores Ulster, there is a chance that he will go troll somewhere else.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 26 2014 5:21 utc | 127

@121 demian. thanks. i found it quite interesting, mostly as it is either a valid portrait on how central banking works, or it isn't.. if it is - then russia needs to get off that grid asap.. that is what the fellow Evgeny Fedorov is suggesting.. do you know how much relevance this guy has within russia?

here is a wikipedia page on him. ->Yevgeny Alexeyevich Fyodorov

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2014 6:48 utc | 128

@rufus magister #122

Agree wholeheartedly with Demian #125.

Ulster was called out as a blatant 'in your face' pro-Ukie-fascist, rabid Russia hating fraud, after his second post of 'Bollocks' some considerable time ago ...

T'would appear Ulster exists to continuously LIE and spread unsubstantiated falsehoods, smears, defamatory allegations and pro-junta(Ukie & Empire) disinformation whilst refusing to enter into any form of civil discourse re his 'supposed' views. Though there may be some occasional, very limited, amusement in the responses and posts of our 'Black & Tan' friend, so to speak, perhaps at some point we should cease feeding the Troll (professional or amateur, paid or unpaid) ?

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 26 2014 8:27 utc | 129

The Ulster and the Roofer are a tag team. Just like Roofer and Coldfield.

Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 26 2014 11:43 utc | 130

Rufus and Ulster are a tag team. Just like Rufus and Coldfield. One enables the other.

Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 26 2014 11:44 utc | 131

Demian @ 127

I agree, shelling of the Duma was a critical moment in the collapse. I think Taibbi is right in that it was scheme, though he mis-ID's the beneficiaries. It was of course the econ. and political leadership that got the goodies.

I'll do what I can to restrain myself. Being scolded by a troll over my record was a bit much. But looking back, my 90 is probably too much of a good thing. And Outraged at 129 is correct on BnT's role. JF Lee at 130, not so much.


Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 26 2014 12:39 utc | 132

I understand that the police have a tough job day in and day out, but to use militaristic tactics against civilian populations, especially minority populations is flat out wrong and goes against any lip service paid to community policing. It is my opinion that to treat members of certain communities as enemy combatants on a battlefield is not policing, it is war. The truth of the matter is that the events in Ferguson, Missouri after the non-indictment of Officer Darren Wilson should not be a surprise to anyone in the political echelons of local and statewide Missouri politics. The decision to not indict Darren Wilson is not only a disservice to the family of Michael Brown but is also a disservice to Officer Darren Wilson who now must now live as a pariah and hated. Both sides should have had their chance to debate the facts of the tragic incident in an open public courtroom. Since that did not happen their is yet again another festering open wound between police and minority communities.

Now I lay part of the blame with the Ferguson police department because they did not procure or secure the witness statement in a timely and professional manner, was this an example of keystone cop bungling or was it part of the plan to make the case murky from the beginning? The other blame I cast on the mainstream news media, who willingly played an integral role in adjudicating the incident over the nightly news by interviewing key witnesses around the incident. These two aspects effectively tainted any attempt at a proper investigation by the local and/or federal agents. This whole tragic incident and end result was an absolute disgrace caused by Ferguson PD lack of securing witness statements and making them unavailable to be interrogated by the media. The mainstream media was also disgraceful because they could not resist the sensationalist story that was the killing of Michael Brown and thus interviewed any potential witness and lambasted the airwaves with their comments night after night, basically tainting any potential grand jury picked in the locality.

Posted by: really | Nov 26 2014 15:28 utc | 133

that global research commentary contains a number of points based on misinformation - there were PD and FDs responding to the initial vandalism, looting & fires - eventually the FDs were pulled on account of scattered gunfire, detaching their hoses and driving off

however, what's played out so far this week is not just coincidence - it appears to be quite orchestrated & planned out to maximize PR in support of the status quo and to deflect critical focus on the prosecuting attorney's fallacious statements and unusual legal manuevers

more than 6 hours elapsed between the time the media first reported that the decision had been returned and the procecuting attorney's scheduled presser to make that public @ 8pm CST

immediately following the announcement, press kits were provided detailing evidence used in the procedings - evidence supporting the narrative used to exhonerate any criminal charges against police office wilson & muddying anything else. local news media rushed to be the first to relay wilson's testimony

the next day, wilson starts his press junket, getting his POV into wider circulation

last week (or maybe the week before?) it had been announced that the ferguson PD would not be involved in any security for the aftermath of the decision - that would be handled by the st louis county police. ferguson PD was to be restricted to routine, domestic policing activities. state troopers and a small national guard presence were also to be utlized.

on monday evening while the area around the ferguson police station was heavily policed, there was a minimal police presence along the main business district artery of west florissant rd. this rd had been closed down by law enforcement during the heavier august protests, but there were apparently no preparations to take that measure beforehand nor put that into place once the first few building had been ignited in the area.

near the police station, armored vehicles cleared crowds on smaller streets and then blocked vehicular access. this was also the strategy in another part of the metro area, along south grand, miles away from ferguson.

monitoring helicopter feeds on the local media, it's plainly visible that those supposedly in-charge were taking a hands off approach in the biz district of ferguson - w/i 3 hours after the press conference, you were watching a number cars & small groups of kids moving from parking lot to parking lot along west florissant rd at ease, breaking glassfronts, running in & out of stores, etc. occasionally you might see a pair of vehicles w/ flashing lights driving by, but they were few & far between.

shortly after midnight, the mayor of ferguson was complaining to the media that his calls for the promised national guard presence were being ignored through communications w/ both the unified cmd and political channels. reportedly the nat'l guard troops were assigned to other specific security points, though those saw little if any activity. outside FDs didn't begin coming into the area until the early morning hours.

Posted by: b real | Nov 26 2014 18:38 utc | 135

@129 spread unsubstantiated falsehoods - all sources I've linked so war were either Russian (!) media or international organisations like AI, OSCE or HRW. Now, compare that to the poorly translated, anonymous Russian blogs that you're constantly linking as 'authoritative source' for all kind of fables on what is going on in Russia and Ukraine.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 26 2014 19:33 utc | 136

"Superpowers got get to retire".

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117859/allure-normalcy-what-america-still-owes-world

Author: Robert Kagan.

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 26 2014 20:53 utc | 137

@136 willy2... kagan is so full of bs, it's not worth the bother.. the only normalcy that the usa could ever return to would be start getting rid of ideologues like him and make sure they stay as far away from propaganda channels as they possibly can - the new republic being another distortion chamber that kagan is of course perfectly suited to..

Posted by: james | Nov 26 2014 21:32 utc | 138

from the Phila. Daily News, via Naked Capitalism, Robert McCulloch's recipe for an American disaster. I've been pacing myself with Ferguson coverage, this is the best of what I've seen.

But one possible answer to the question that loomed largest -- why announce the decision at 8 p.m.? -- is almost too disturbing to contemplate. Is it possible that McCulloch wanted every front page in America to show riots, and not linger on the injustice system in St' Louis County.... The white-hatted cops vs. the unruly/violent mob -- that's the storyline that people like Nixon and McCulloch feel most comfortable with, and so it's the story that they've steered for weeks.

Why bother? Look, I don't think the fate of Darren Wilson as a human being really means anything to the ruling class. At the end of the day, people like Bob McCulloch aren't protecting Wilson so much as the system that he stood for -- a system that has spent untold millions on creating police forces that resemble armies, that perpetuates an America of gated suburbs walled off from towns like Ferguson with their failing schools and failing labor markets, a nation where it's corporate patrons of politicians who get to write the rules. Ironically, their efforts may have failed. Last night, hundreds of people took to the streets of every major U.S. city, to protest the injustice perpetuated by McCulloch & Co. Tonight, those numbers are in thousands -- and the protests show no sign of letting up.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 26 2014 23:15 utc | 139

Ulster at 135 --

Total BS. Must... restrain... self.... Argh!

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 26 2014 23:18 utc | 140

"I come from a small town in former USSR" named _____.

Posted by: ruralito | Nov 27 2014 0:45 utc | 141

This is what responsible economic governance looks like. Others need to sit up straight and pay attention, class is in session.

Russia to control annual oil production to help stabilize global market

Iran, Russia keen to cooperate on oil market

Saudi, Russia pre-OPEC talks yield no oil output cut

Posted by: really | Nov 27 2014 1:37 utc | 142

really wrote @ 132:

It is my opinion that to treat members of certain communities as enemy combatants on a battlefield is not policing, it is war.

And rufus magister's post @ 138 points as well to the information war aspect of this struggle, this "hybrid war at home," which is taken so seriously by the US power structure precisely because it so clearly threatens to unite class consciousness with the anti-racist struggle.

Well, speaking of war, race and class, one group is taking a step I've been waiting to see ever since the Vietnam-era GI movement against the Pentagon. Most National Guard troops are working class people who signed on for some extra income, but have been increasingly militarized as part of the "global war on terror." The following leaflet has been circulating in Ferguson, put out by March Forward!:

Veterans' Appeal To National Guard:

By March Forward!, www.marchforward.org

To our brothers and sisters in the Missouri National Guard:

We are writing to you as active-duty U.S. service members and veterans, most of us having served in the Iraq war.

You have a choice you can make right now.

The whole world is watching the Ferguson police with disgust. They killed an unarmed, college-bound Black youth in broad daylight, and subsequently responded to peaceful, constitutionally-protected protests with extreme violence and repression.

Countless constitutional and human rights violations by these police have been documented over the course of the Ferguson protests; from attacking and threatening journalists, to using tear gas against peaceful protesters, including children.

Now, Governor Nixon has again activated the National Guard to “support law enforcement.” But you don’t have to follow their orders—you can stand with the protesters instead.

Our true duty

When we signed up, we swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

The police in Ferguson are violating that Constitution.

The First Amendment guarantees the right to free speech, freedom of assembly and freedom of the press.

These laws are, as we are taught our entire lives, our most cherished Constitutional rights—the whole basis for the “freedom” we are told makes us the greatest country on Earth.

It is undeniable that the Ferguson police has used extreme violence against peaceful protesters, suppressing the right of the people to free speech and the freedom to assemble. They have attacked crowds, with children in them, with rubber bullets, sound cannons and tear gas. People have been mass arrested for simply being at the protest.

Freedom of the press has also been severely infringed upon by Ferguson police. Journalists have been arrested; photo evidence shows riot police firing tear gas directly at reporters and tearing down their camera equipment; Ferguson police have been caught on video threatening journalists with violence if they don’t leave, and declaring that they are not allowed in the protest area.

With such important and dramatic events unfolding, the right of the people in the United States to have the truth covered by the press is essential to any so-called democratic society.

The people have the right to protest. If we were truly honoring our oath, we would be in Ferguson to protect the protesters against the repression of their rights by the police.

We don’t just have a legal obligation, but a moral one

Clearly, we would be within our legal rights to refuse to help the Ferguson police unconstitutionally suppress these protests. But beyond the constitutional case, we have a moral obligation to refuse to participate.

The Ferguson police are treating this like a war. And we know that not all wars are just.

These protests have done something very important in our society: they have raised the deep issues we face of inequality, poverty, racism and police misconduct onto a national stage. It has turned public consciousness to these real problems that plague our society.

Do you really want to be part of suppressing those civilians raising all these important issues on the national stage?

Racist police brutality is a real issue in America

The autopsy of Michael Brown confirms at least five eye-witness accounts that the young man—who was not even suspected by Darren Wilson of any crime—was shot while he had his hands in the air.

Those of us in the military—especially with combat experience—knows that this flies in the face of any Rules of Engagement, and we know that it is completely ridiculous to believe that Darren Wilson feared for his life in anyway whatsoever.

Increasingly, the issue of rampant police brutality in America—most frequently by white officers against people of color, with an African American killed every 28 hours by police—is garnering more and more attention on a national and international scale.

Outrage by the community against the state’s refusal to hold Darren Wilson accountable is entirely justified; the movement, led by Black youth, is a just movement.

History is unfolding, with the whole world watching. You have a decision to make on which side of history to be on.

You will make history, one way or the other

If you take part in the suppression of the protests for Michael Brown, we will be enshrined in history just as the National Guard soldiers who followed their orders to attack and repress civil rights actions, union pickets and anti-war protests. History has not looked kindly on them.

But you have the chance to make a different kind of history.

Imagine the powerful impact it would have if you abandoned your posts and marched with the protesters.

That single action could have the biggest possible effect on the crisis in Ferguson and the larger issues it represents in the entire country. It could be a major turning point in the fight against racism, inequality and police abuse.

You wouldn’t be alone. There is a whole community of service members, veterans and civilian supporters who would defend your right to do so. And now, in this critical moment, we are urging you to exercise that right.

Justice for Mike Brown! Arrest Darren Wilson!

Now out once again to support the people of Ferguson...


Posted by: Vintage Red | Nov 27 2014 1:40 utc | 143

Vintage Red: Put a sock in it.

Posted by: judge dredd | Nov 27 2014 3:38 utc | 144

Russian Spring

11/27/2014-00:57

Night summary from combatant Prokhorov:

We were informed of reinforcement for Ukrainians in Lisichansk: 7 APCs and 25 tanks. Apparently, to strengthen Bakhmutka, which had been under excellent fire the whole day – amount of scrap metal has considerably grown.

Near Zolotoye (same area, a little west) Ukrainians were blasted as well.

A warplane flew over Lugansk at low altitude. Do Ukrainians get ready for offensive indeed?


Russian Spring

11/26/2014-23:11

In a video, combatant “Pepel” (“Ashes”) from brigade “Prizrak” (“Specter”, suburb Alchevsk of Pervomaysk) expressed opinion:

1) That the local population of combatants rear does not always make sense of/sympathize to combatants

2) That current hold back to advance dictated by Moscow desire to keep it low

3) Otherwise, the combatants have capacity to defeat the opponent would it be Donetsk airport, Debal`tsevo or Mariupol`

Posted by: Fete | Nov 27 2014 4:56 utc | 145

@Ulster 122 - well if you like to look at the mansions of oligarchs, here some pictures of the Ukrainian ones. I find Poroschenkos especialla amazing.

watson - So herrschaftlich wohnen Timoschenko, Klitschko & Co.

Sorry its in German, but the pictures need no words.

Posted by: Fran | Nov 27 2014 7:45 utc | 147

@Fran #146:

This is probably a good occasion to recall that the people in power in Kiev are not only nouveaux riches, but also racist fascists:

Washingtonsblog: U.S. Among Only 3 Countries at U.N. Officially Backing Nazism & Holocaust-Denial; Israel Parts Company from Them; Germany Abstains

Ukraine voted no on this resolution because this new Ukrainian Government is the only nazi regime in the world, and they are doing the standard nazi things, and so what they are doing is in violation of numerous international laws, which are not being enforced, but which are re-asserted and re-affirmed in this resolution, though Ukraine and the Ukrainian situation aren’t at all mentioned in the resolution. The United States voted no on it, because the U.S. Government had placed them into power. And Canada voted no on it because their far-right Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, has been a virtually unquestioning supporter of all U.S. foreign-policy positions

Posted by: Demian | Nov 27 2014 8:11 utc | 148

In fact Saker has a picture of them ... posing with their own standard flanked by NATO's and the Third Reich's.

Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 27 2014 8:21 utc | 149

A sad anniversary - 20 years ago Russian generals started the siege of Grozny. Russian troops entered the city on 26 November, unmarked as usual, while the government denied any military presence in Chechnya. What was supposed to be a quick black operation of regime change against the separatist government of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (ChRI) ended in a spectacular fiasco, prompting the government in Moscow to carry out a large-scale military invasion of the republic that began in December 1994. There are much more similarities with the current situation in Donbass and Crimea. All this led to huge humanitarian catastrophe in the region, with over 100'000 civilians killed, mostly by artillery, air bombing and in concentration camps. By the way, this is wher Igor Girkin started his career - in his memoirs he admitted that his detachment was taking civilian prisoners for questioning, who later "disappeared without trace".

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 27 2014 9:53 utc | 150

@146 Actually yes, you need the words to understand the context. For example: Hierbei ist zu erwähnen, dass Klitschko sich sein Vermögen redlich erkämpft hat, which you forgot to mention. Poroshenko was a businessman and earned his wealth over a long time (unlike the Russian government officials). And the flats of Tiahnyboks and Yatsenuk... well, what were you going to say on them?

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 27 2014 9:59 utc | 151

Here's something happening now. Cash cut to Ukraine rebel areas in risky strategy. This is the result of Poroshenko's "European choice" to starve pensioners and deny children an education. Apparently shelling them isn't enough.

The most offensive of the president’s remarks, made in a speech October 23 at Odessa’s Opera House and captured on video, noted that “we [in Ukraine] will have work; they – [in the Donbas] won’t. We will have pensions – they won’t. We will care for our children and pensioners – they won’t. Our children will go to school, to kindergartens – their children will sit in cellars. They don’t know how to organize or do anything. This, ultimately, is how we will win this war.”

"Glory to the Ukraine...."

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 27 2014 14:59 utc | 152

@152 It's not result of "Poroshenko's European choice" but of Russian invasion in Donbass. If you haven't noticed yet, Donbass is controlled by armed gangsters, not by Ukrainian government, and this is exactly what Poroshenko said in the cited speech. It was not European Union that sent masked gangsters to take over government building in Slavyansk in April and murder local politicians like Rybakov - these were Russian operatives led by Girkin who did that.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 27 2014 15:27 utc | 153

What was that noise from under the bridge? Sounds like a troll.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 27 2014 16:09 utc | 154

divide and conquer seemed to work quite well in kiev.. i guess that was russias fault too, lol.. now the country is split but obviously it has to be all russias fault.. russia is bad, bad, bad - but no one else is ever bad! signed ulster..

Posted by: james | Nov 27 2014 17:37 utc | 155

A a long interview (in Russian) between an economist and journalist where they discuss the internal economic situation in Russia.

* local administration in panic moving their saving to tax havens, mostly Cyprus (some actually move their families there "until everything settles down")
* the "siloviki" (ruling elites related to law enforcement) practically killed all small and medium business in the country
* half of the food consumed is produced outside - for the same reason as above
* Russia's economy is still fully dependent on hydrocarbons because all income from oil were consumed, not invested
* at the same time oil production is going down because surveying was abandoned over the last years
* asked about possible advice he could give to the government, the economist answers that he won't say because of the new law forbidding "extremism", only half jokingly

Especially recommended to Demian who apparently speaks some Russian.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 27 2014 18:32 utc | 156

Ok, this is so f*cked up I wondered if I should post it all.

NSFW
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0e_1416790149

Ugly fascists..

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 27 2014 22:02 utc | 157

This video was just recently also posted as example of atrocities committed by the DNR insurgents, under different title, so...

Posted by: anonymous | Nov 27 2014 23:35 utc | 158

158
"anonymous" you really must use another nick for that post? Why not go by your usual?
You are quite.sick in the head, that we know but that you support violent sex by fascists was something new.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 27 2014 23:43 utc | 159

How many nick does ulster really have?
Another jeff, misty6, eugen, anonymous?

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 28 2014 0:09 utc | 160

Kremlin gives €40 million to National Front in France to win the elections in 2017. At least during Cold War they funded "peace movements" and communist parties, now switched to far-right nationalists...

P.S. the only nick I've been using here is Ulster.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 28 2014 0:47 utc | 161

Yeah sure like anyone belive that,
Thats what you said on twitter already.

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 28 2014 1:06 utc | 162

Ulster @ 153 --

For the record.

I know you affect to believe otherwise, but the fascist (yes, really) coup that drove Poroshenko from office, combined with the immediate anti-Russian legislation (reversed no doubt at Wash.'s direction) drove the east into rebellion. That's the cause of the war, not some fanciful "invasion" or b.s. conspiracy.

And it is the decision of the government to stop not only pensions but withdraws of money that easterners have earned as wages. It would be a better policy to say "hey, you're our peeps, we'll keep the funds flowing despite the hostilities." And smart if Washington covered the cost on the quiet.

But they need the money to continue to shell civilians. "Glory to the Ukraine."

And that really will do for me for a while.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 28 2014 1:06 utc | 163

correction to my 163 -- That was stupid, too busy watching the news -- that drove Yanukovich from office. Pravyi Sektor or even National Front may get the Candy Man yet.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 28 2014 1:10 utc | 164

Russian Spring

11/287/2014-05:14

Night summary from combatant Prokhorov:

Ukrainians were again hit near Popasnaya (outside Pervomaysk).

Artillery skirmishes are taking place in area of Avdeevka, “Grads” hit Ukrainians near Kurakhovo (Donetsk’s north and west respectively).

Ukrainians are waiting for storming their Stanitsa-Luganskaya positions tonight – announced alarm.

Same in Novobakhmutovka (Gorlovka’s west).

In Dzerzhinsk (Gorlovka again), having been hit, Ukrainians shelled residential sector of Gorlovlka wounding 4 civilians.

Overall (yawning), the usual boredom.

Posted by: Fete | Nov 28 2014 6:58 utc | 165

@163 You are wrong, dear Rufus. There was no "grass-roots rebellion" as you seem to suggest. Everything started when masked, armed men captured administration offices in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk etc. Now we know - from Girkin himself - that it was him who crossed the border from Russia with 52 operatives and took these cities.

This is what he said himself recently (even though everyone knew this before). I haven't seen any comments when I linked his interview for "Zavtra" a few days ago - null, zero. You're so verbose commenting second-hand storywriters like Saker, but have nothing to say on first-hand information released by absolutely top figure in the separatist movement?

When saying that Kiev should continue to send money to Donbass as a "goodwill gesture" you apparently don't seem to understand that the separatists are fully controlling financial institutions there. All money Kiev sends to Donbass ends up financing separatists who capture all cash flows coming to the republic. Pensioners were already going out to streets demanding their pensions are paid - the money has not been reaching them for months, even though Kiev was sending it.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 28 2014 10:21 utc | 166

A long interview with a separatist commander published by DNR media:

At the moment when our detachment was leaving airport after unsuccessful siege, other self-defence detachments started shooting at us. Later we found out that they were told an Ukrainian airplane has landed and unloaded their special forces. We, on the other hand, were told the airport is surrounded by Right Sector. Effectively, we were killing our own soldiers.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 28 2014 12:30 utc | 167

the cunts are up to their usual dirty tricks again,putting pressure on china and sowing discord bet beijing and seoul.
they dont call them shit stirrer for nuthin u know !
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2014/11/28/75/0401000000AEN20141128007500315F.html

Posted by: denk | Nov 28 2014 16:50 utc | 168

Summit of Failure: How the EU Lost Russia over Ukraine

By SPIEGEL Staff here...

Posted by: james | Nov 28 2014 17:12 utc | 169

@154 Oh, troll. So when you guys were citing the holy scripts of Igor Strelkov from April till August it was not trolling. When I cite the holy script of Igor Strelkov in November it now is trolling. Can you explain your reasoning, please?

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 28 2014 20:29 utc | 170

@170 when you guys were citing the holy scripts of nuland it was not trolling.. now if we mention that bozo nuland and her warchitet husband kagan - it is trolling.. explain please, lol...

Posted by: james | Nov 28 2014 23:09 utc | 171

Ulster at 154 --

Here a number of reasons why you are a troll.

1. I myself have not quoted Strelkov. If memory serves, I posted one link about him, after he was injured in a suspected assassination attempt.
2. Just because you make a YouTube of something does not mean it is true. You provide no independent corroboration.
3. IF the video actually says what you purport it to, it still does not prove Resistance was not spontaneous.
4. And maybe most important, you ignore the actual content of the AP article in order to make unfounded assertions about Novorossiya.

Money is running short in the rebel heartland since the government announced this month that it will suspend banking services [emphasis added] as it piles on the pressure. Almost all ATMs have stopped working and the remainder are expected to stop operating over the next two weeks.

The move is part of Ukraine's plan to suffocate its separatist foe, now that its costly military campaign has foundered. Authorities say they are also withdrawing all state services from rebel areas, although hospital and school workers in the rebel stronghold of Donetsk say it has been a while since they last saw funding anyhow.

And at 153

"Donbass is controlled by armed gangsters, not by Ukrainian government." Funny, I thought that "volunteer battalions" were the armed gangsters. That's certainly what the Kiev prosecutor thinks. "It was not European Union that sent masked gangsters to take over government building in Slavyansk...." No, they sent them to bully the Rada in Kiev and drive Yanukovich from the office to which he had been legally elected.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 28 2014 23:49 utc | 172

And so it's not all Troll Patrol (and I'm off it now, no, really, seriously) here's something interesting. I originally saw it at From Fort Russ, "Ukrainian media should hide the facts of Ukrainian army bombing civilians". It was interesting enough for me to go back to the original video and commentary on RT, Employee of a channel belonging to Poroshenko urged her colleagues to hide information about security service errors

Ukraine's leading TV channels do not have to show scenes in which we discuss artillery strikes on civilian targets, and represent the Ukrainian army in a negative light, declared Khyistyna Bondarenko, a journalist with "Channel 5", which is owned by Peter Poroshenko.

"I'm not against the propaganda and I'll explain why. Yes, Hromadske TV can say that someone somewhere got drunk and so on. But imagine if the 'Inter' or '1+1' channels would show in a national broadcast that somebody somewhere hit something wrong. Can you imagine this? Can you imagine CNN showing that the Americans hit something wrong? I can't imagine this," said Bondarenko at a round table in Kiev, where they discussed the standards of journalism in situations of conflict.

As Fort Russ commented in a PS, "They learn from the best!"

So even in journalism, and particularly on the President's own station, it's "Glory to the heroes...."

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 29 2014 1:46 utc | 173

The saker finally has his QA with Mikhail Khazin- fascinating stuff, and I believe James posted a number of questions there. Thanks James!

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com

Posted by: Nana2007 | Nov 29 2014 2:50 utc | 174

Russian Spring

Message from positions in Nikishino (the fringe of Debal`tsevo half-caldron/pocket) by military journalist “Borisich”:

The whole day Ukrainians thoroughly leveled Nikishino by “Nonas” (self-propelled artillery unit) and “Vasilek” (automatic mortar)...

Sometime in the middle of this Bacchanalia they decided to show off on a neat APC of sand color equipped with “Utes” (machine gun)… In short, yet another APC is less in Nikishino.


Russian Spring

Summary from fronts of Lugansk Republic:

Whole day the incessant military campaign carried on in areas of following populated places:

- Stanitsa-Luganskaya
- Schast’ye
- Slavyanoserbsk

Through the night and the day, the combatants artillery delivered strikes at occupants’ positions near settlements Zolotoye, Gorskoye, Krimskoye, Frunze, Popasnaya, Trexizbenka.


Russian Spring

Military journalist Alena Kochkina tells about her observations:

“Entire Mariupol` is pitted by trenches. Factories are sheathing military hardware - “Grads”, APCs. All bridges are mined… in case of retreat these would be blown. No one bothers about local population…”

Question: Who benefits?

A. Kochkina:

“Those who is very far from here, whose territory have never had a war except of internal conflicts. They need instability, better perpetual, on a territory close to Russia border.

Ideally, a launch pad is needed to deploy the technical means to continue war against Russia, the war which has been going on from long before.

To illustrate, from year 2004 an alignment, similar to one for artillery, is going on. Initially, shells are laid to the right, then – a little left, next, they hit the target. Donbass is a territory for such alignment work, to ultimately move on to territory of Russia.”

Posted by: Fete | Nov 29 2014 4:13 utc | 175

@133 continued

It appears that the United States needs to effectively practice at home what it preaches abroad.

Posted by: really | Nov 29 2014 4:36 utc | 176

@174 nana2007...thanks for sharing that!!! yes, that was me who shared that and got in a few questions too. i am just reading it now and i see my name mentioned in the first question. there were a group of us asking a similar question! cool.. thanks nana! i am going to go read the rest of it now..

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2014 6:32 utc | 178

travesty of justice, muricunt style...

criminals holding court !

*Malaysia’s Exclusion Foreshadows Politically Motivated Outcome

With the ongoing conflict in Ukraine perceived as a proxy war between NATO and Moscow, JIT’s membership including the NATO-backed Kiev regime itself (a possible suspect), two NATO members (Belgium and the Netherlands) and Australia who has passed sanctions against Russia over the conflict, is a textbook case of conflict of interest. *

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/11/mh17-malaysias-barring-from.html

Posted by: denk | Nov 29 2014 6:50 utc | 179

a few good quotes from my own point of view from the link nana posted @174

"The post-Gerashchenko Central Bank has been pursuing a strict policy of keeping the ruble from becoming an independent investment vehicle (in compliance with the principles of the Bretton Woods system, in which the dollar should be the only investment source)."

"Russia has a whole collection of legislation to regulate its currently which are simply not active at the moment because their activation would contradict the ideology which drives the financial elites."

"This brings us to the hypothesis that the governance of the central bank is in cahoots with Washington with the shared aim of subverting Putin. The hypothesis is already mainstream in the Russian Media."

and one of the questions i asked here:

" Question: Payments/SWIFT

One of the purportedly heaviest weapons in the US/EU sanctions arsenal would be to cut Russia off from the SWIFT payments settlement system. Much has been made of efforts to create an internal system or to link with China’s system. What are the challenges facing Russia as it seeks to end its reliance on this particular Western system, and what is a realistic timeline for implementation?

Answer

This could have been implemented promptly, but the Central Bank has sabotaged all the efforts. As of today, nothing has been done, so we will have to return to this topic when the Central Bank has new leadership. The current leadership won’t do anything in this direction."

"Today in Russia the words “liberal” and a “thief” are synonyms. In this sense, for instance, a European court ruling on “Yukos” to exact $50 bln is a grave political mistake on the part of the West because everyone in Russia knows beyond doubt that “Yukos” was stolen. The people, who bought it, were fully aware that it was a stolen property and thus no one owes them anything. In other words, for the vast majority of the Russian public the court decision is the clear evidence that the only interest of the West in relation to Russia is to take away (to loot) the assets that belong to the people (the government). That is, the western elite, including its legal system, deliberately make decisions that favor “their own”, even though those people are professed thieves. This is a hard blow to the trust towards the USA and EU; the blow is even harder than the sanctions."

and in the comments section of the article
"Bretton Woods agreement was based on a reserve-currency of the USDollar convertible into gold; i.e. gold-backed settlement of international trade balances. Thus, any Bretton Woods obligations expired when Nixon removed any gold-backed requirement.
It is as if Bretton Woods was an Anglo-American covert operation toward global dominance by that duo.
Colonialism/imperialism morphs according to its authors predilections.
A fiat reserve-currency is no accident. It was both brilliant and deliberate as well as even predictable, as its authors knew well the history of paper "money" issued by a sovereign state.
Anonymous Rick"

"mjm said...

Greetings from Singapore:
If Khazin is right that the central bank follows the IMF criteria, Putin has two alternatives.
(1) Replace the people now.
(2) Wait until the central bank makes enough damage.
If he waits for (2) it means Putin has not yet enough power to do the change.
The damage could be serious enough to undermine Putin's support.
OIL is today below USD 70.-- and having a central bank which is not part of a consistent national approach to the crisis is suicidal."

"Mr.Khazin did not provide a reply to the most important question of all....
"Pertaining to the Russian Central Bank. Who owns it and who controls it and who profits from it?"
If the Russian central bank is the same model as in the rest of the world
ie. private owners issuing unbacked fiat as debt...for private profit or interests....nothing else really matters....Russia is not and can not be a sovereign entity.
A sovereign state issues its own currency interest free and puts it into circulation by buying goods and services that are produced as a result of the issuance of said currency. Or it could also lend it for productive efforts at low interest rates into the general economy.
A nation not in control of its own currency issuance is a slave. All other things are secondary to this and any efforts to obfuscate this is just dust thrown into the eyes.
That is the unfortunate reality.

27 November, 2014 22:46"

" Penelope said...

Anonymous RICK said, "Bretton Woods agreement was based on a reserve-currency of the USDollar convertible into gold; i.e. gold-backed settlement of international trade balances. Thus, any Bretton Woods obligations expired when Nixon removed any gold-backed requirement.
It is as if Bretton Woods was an Anglo-American covert operation toward global dominance by that duo.
Colonialism/imperialism morphs according to its authors predilections."

Rick, "Morphing" is exactly what the Bretton Woods agreements have done. April 2009 G20 agreed to the FSB (Financial Stabilization Board) which obligates its members to "standards & codes" so vague that they can be intepreted to mean just about anything. Seems as if it's meant to be a financial dictatorship acting directly on the central banks of the world.

If you are interested: http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-brother-in-basel-are-we-trading-financial-stability-for-national-sovereignty/14047 By Ellen Brown

Saker, thank you for this important "interview". I've known forever that the US Fed is privately owned and is the basis of the banksters power over us.
Now I'm beginning to understand that there's a sort of giant Fed called IMF/BIS/Financial Stabilization Board that is the means by which the central banks are themselves controlled. I'm having a lot of trouble conceptualizing why it's not possible to overthrow this-- not least because it's so depressing.

For a better understanding of this I recommend Starikov's online book, pp24-34 [pdf] Rouble Nationalization – the Way to Russia’s Freedom by Nikolay Starikov"

pdf link here

there you have it.. russian central bank is essentially an arm of the bretton woods agreement which placed the US$ as the key currency.. it came off the gold standard in 1971, or 1972 and since then the printing press has been non stop.. although the value of the us$ is very inflated, it is still a needed device in the world financial system.. russia central bank has no autonomy over this system put in place in 1946 or thereabouts.. until putin disconnects from this, russia is screwed..

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2014 7:35 utc | 180

Will Washington entrust the Arab world to Riyadh and Tehran? by Thierry Meyssan

I think this is worth the read.

Posted by: really | Nov 29 2014 7:43 utc | 181

Report of Russian warship manoeuvres in English Channel highlights growing war danger


A naval destroyer, the anti-submarine ship Severomorsk, together with a landing craft, a rescue tugboat and a tank ship, had anchored in the Bay of the Seine, off France. RIA quoted a statement from the Russian Northern Fleet that its vessels were in international waters in the Seine Bay to wait for a storm to pass, but added, “While it is anchored, the crew are undertaking a series of exercises on how to tackle… infiltrating submarine forces, and are training on survival techniques in the case of flooding or fire.”

I think that this, like their bomber flights over the Gulf of Mexico, are Russia's attempt to communicate directly to the people of the 'Western democracies' just how seriously 'their' governments are fucking up. There is no coverage at all of the constant, now increasing, Ukrainian massacre of civilians and destruction of infrastructure in Novorossiya - a la the Israelis in Gaza - in the Western MSM. As it increases and as the NATO countries prepare for war, the spring is wound tighter and tighter ... something has got to give.

How ... shocked! ... everyone will be when war does break out.

Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 29 2014 7:58 utc | 182

It is winter in Novorossya, and in Gaza, too. Don't hear too much about those places in the MSM, do we? The scenes of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate's latest ongoing war crimes. Alternating with his war crimes in Syria/Iraq.

Nothing to see here. Turn over. Let the visions of sugar plums dance in your heads.

Gaza keeps suffering from extreme weather, flooding


“It happened last year, and it's happening again now. The water level has exceeded two and a half meters and flooded into my home. We had to stay on the second floor after our apartment was completely flooded. We will lose our home this way,” an affected Gaza resident told Press TV.

Major parts of infrastructure from roads to sewage treatment plants were also seriously damaged in the Israeli assaults. However, Gaza’s reconstruction has yet to begin three months after the war.

The strip has been under Israel's crippling siege since 2007.


Crippling siege and criminal blockade. But the US Sixth Fleet is steaming away, getting ready for war against Syria/Ukraine.

Barack Obama has resurrected Ronald Reagan's Evil Empire ... for real ... and having seen the enemy, we must now note ... he's us.

Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 29 2014 8:32 utc | 183

Over 200 Killed in Bombing of North Nigeria Mosque


The mosque is next to the palace of the Kano Emir, an outspoken critic of Boko Haram, and though they haven’t confirmed responsibility it is widely assumed Boko Haram was behind the strike.

But it might have been Barack the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Obama's CIA boys ... Boko Haram might well be on the CIA'a payroll. Country with gas/oil ... hell, anything of value? Terrorism? Barack's bound to be onboard.

Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 29 2014 8:40 utc | 184

@172

What kind of "independent corroboration" would expect to an interview with Igor Strelkov published in Russian newspaper that he himself links on his profile? Perhaps an English translation on RT or The Saker, would that be OK? Oh, but I can't imagine RT republishing Strelkov saying "well, I started the war in Donbass and I still think it was OK", can you?

And I didn't mean only yourself when I wrote about referencing Strelkov in the past. MoA author and commenters have linked him notoriously as authoritative source of information from April till August. So why not use him as equally authoritative source today?

As I said before, large part of your bias is caused by the fact that you only know what you're being fed by the public relations division of Kremlin. What they publish in Russian has completely different audience - their local supporters - and its content is completely different to what you see in RT. And this is exactly where it starts to be interesting.

But, instead of taking any attempt to verify it yourself, your only reaction to any news conflicting with the RT/Saker/Rusvesna/MoA mash is calling me "a troll". You guys seem to be so boringly identical to the typical consumers of FoxNews, just au rebours...

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 29 2014 13:23 utc | 185

@182 How ... shocked! ... everyone will be when war does break out.

There will be no war. Fortunately Russia has no economy for that. Anything bigger that the covert operation in Ukraine would be an immediate suicide for the Kremlin elites.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 29 2014 13:27 utc | 186

@172 Dear Rufus, you also seem to be the last of the Mohicans who still believes that Russia does not send arms to Donbass. In June, someone way actually concerned that if it doesn't, the "fascists" may win. And shortly after some Toivos calmed him down:

Don't worry, the Russians are supplying weapons and aiding the liberation fighters in Donbas. So far they have succeeded in shooting down 6 helicopters (at least) and one jet. Where did those missiles come from? Covert support is called covert for a reason.

In October, no one else but our own Demian wrote:

Russia has provided covert military assistance to Novorossia, but that has now stopped.

Except that it hasn't, but that's different story.

Also, for your reference, MoA has cited Strelkov around 65 times over the last few months (both "b" and commenters). If he was reliable source then, why isn't he reliable source now?

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 29 2014 13:42 utc | 187

Reminder:

https://www.patrickholford.com/blog/vitamin-c-helpful-against-ebola

Posted by: really | Nov 29 2014 14:07 utc | 188

Another man killed by the fascists in Ukraine
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/photos/a.1462094710680543.1073741828.1452285018328179/1578211402402206/?type=1

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 29 2014 14:19 utc | 189

Ulster -- independent corroboration, means, has anyone reported on Strelkov's comments, in any lang., and evaluated them?

And since I had to explain that to you, well, reluctantly....

I have done plenty of other research on your other, largely dubious assertions, and it is not up to me to prove them. As I said before, you seem intent on having everyone waste their time on your pro-junta diversions.

We've been over this before -- I use plenty of sources, incl. Russ. & Ukr., and you see plenty of others do too. And be sure, I get my dose of anti-Russian propaganda daily from the MSM. I don't think anyone here is a dupe of the Kremlin.

You will note that I have ref'd. postings from the Saker on voentorg. It's renewal, e.g., helped convince Kiev not to try it's luck, but they will no doubt in the spring. Since I view the DNR and LNR as sovereign entities, I have no problem with them getting aid where they can. Nor do I begrudge the Russians their "plausible deniability" of this (spoken about our aid to the Nicraguan contras back in the 80's, BTW).

And if you want to bitch about the Saker and other posters about Strelkov, please do so at them, and not at me.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 29 2014 14:31 utc | 190

Dear Rufus,

Once again, because it looks like you didn't bother to look at the original interview link when I posted it: «Кто ты, «Стрелок»?». Signed: Александр Проханов, Игорь Стрелков (Alexandr Prokhanov, Igor Strelkov). This is the original source where the interview was published, so it's now like you demanded "corroboration" that Russia Today's website is at rt.com.

Also, you never had any problems with accepting third- or fourth-hand sources here as soon as they were anti-Ukrainian. So I suspect your excessive criticism in this case is not caused by lack of "corroboration", but rather by the contents of Strelkov's interview. Please, just go and read it instead of waiting for The Saker to tell you what to think of it.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 29 2014 15:53 utc | 191

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                LIKELY SPONSORED BY THE USUAL "officines" CIA and ALL or ANY of      
                          the various 16 US intelligence agencies      
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More realistic assessments of the situation can be found at James Petras,
Paul Craig Roberts and even Sic Semper Tyrannis websites.
All this doesn't look too good...


Posted by: acrimonious | Nov 29 2014 16:38 utc | 192

hre's a link to Sergei Glazyev's "How to prevent the coming war."

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2014 17:18 utc | 193

one for ulster - Chastisement Battalion “Azov” distributes flags with a Nazi symbol to Ukrainian schoolchildren

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2014 20:33 utc | 194

One for james ЗА РУСЬ! ("For Russia!")

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 29 2014 23:26 utc | 195

acrimonious at 192 --

Glad to see you live up to your name. You're wrong about me, I'm seconded by the Provos to work with the Cheka vs. the Ukrainian junta.

As I have said before -- I've had my say and will hold my tongue for a bit.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 30 2014 3:30 utc | 196

Russian Spring

11/29/2014-21:50

Remarks by Aleksandr Averin from zone of military campaign in Lugansk Republic:

“…The artillery is called a god of war, and it is a salvage god. In this war, an artillerist in goggles without basic skill of handling firearms took more lives than an armed to teeth commando in a flak jacket. Bullet wounds are rear, mostly shrapnel…

…Although those serving in Ukrainian Military Force are not such sadists as some of battalions of National Guard, the primary artillery strikes that destroy cities and countryside of Donbass are done specifically by Ukrainian Military Force…

… Created by “Other Russia”, the social movement “Interbrigades” passed over to Donbass more than thousand volunteers. “A portal for goons has been opened” – joke National Bolsheviks. Many volunteers of Interbrigades later join our party. Most chic – when done on front line…”


Russian Spring

11/29/2014-21:01

Embittered fight for Donetsk airport continues:

Earlier reported that combatants’ unit “Sparta” took over the building of old terminal by storm.

According to most recent data, Ukrainian forces inflicted artillery blows and dispatched reinforcement of infantry and armor aiming to regain positions earlier taken by the combatants.

Present time sees fierce battles engaging artillery in the area of old and new terminals.

Ukrainian side confirms severe fight reporting that Ukrainian artillery and rocket systems deliver strikes at terminals occupied by combatants. Forces of Donetsk Republic army fire counterstrikes at occupants’ positions in Peski and Avdeevka.


Russian Spring

11/29/2014-15:34

At night and from morning – skirmishes near Avdeevka and Debal`tsevo. During night, Gorlovka was again shelled from Mayorsk.

Through night, the combatants actively worked at Ukrainian positions near Stanitsa-Luganskaya. Intercepted radio suggests numerous casualties among 128th brigade.

An Ukrainian outpost near city Poposnaya was hit earlier this week. It was moved into a residential district since then, and this morning began shelling Pervomaysk. We had to fire back. Number of shells hit residential buildings (one civilian fell).

Ukrainians are being shelled in area of Bakhmutka.

Clashes are taking place in areas of Staroignat`evka an Granitnoye (south of Donetsk Republic)

Posted by: Fete | Nov 30 2014 4:13 utc | 197

@198 CONTINUED

It just goes to show that all the rhetoric about providing cheaper energy to the consumer was just bullsh!t. Now fracking is no longer lucrative they want to cease operations.When people were and still are protesting the side effects bof fracking which results in polluted wells and ground water to name a couplethe industry could not have given a rats ass about addressing those issues. But if the profit margin gets polluted they pull out all the stops to get those profits healthy again, and get this they may be even considering shuttering some fracking operations because they are producing too much gas and driving down prices. Well as the old timers say whatever sh!ts fast don't last.

Posted by: really | Nov 30 2014 7:00 utc | 199

@196 Correct, better go silent rather than comment inconvenient declarations by your hero Strelkov...

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 30 2014 9:44 utc | 200

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