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November 03, 2014

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Posted by b on November 3, 2014 at 17:45 UTC | Permalink

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For some strange reason,I've seen no comments on the privatization of space with the publics funds,and their recent track record of failure.And the hit on Russia by implying aging Soviet rockets responsible for unmanned space station resupplying,its almost surreal? the efforts of obfuscation and demonization.A country knows its in the sights of the Ziomicnexus when its customs, mores and interests are portrayed with a jaundiced eye(to say the least),look at Turkey recently in the NYTs.

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 3 2014 18:00 utc | 1

Oh,and at AW,(?)they had a story about how the Egyptian media will not question the regime in its editorials.Freedom!Tastes like sh*t,but is more filling!What a charade?Debacle?And a recipe for further disaster for Egypt.

Posted by: dahoit | Nov 3 2014 18:11 utc | 2

Excellent piece on Omidyar. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/pierre-omidyar-first-look-media.html

The bloom is off. Micro-management didn't work well for Marcy Wheeler and Matt Taibbi.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Nov 3 2014 18:56 utc | 3

Sao Paulo: With a flag of Brazil on his shoulders, the singer Lobao defended the recount of votes in the presidential elections and denied that the movement has as purpose a new military coup in Brazil. (...) In addition to requesting the impeachment of the president, demonstrators advocated a military coup in the country.

Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 3 2014 19:09 utc | 4

Political innovation from the Federal State of Novorossiya: controlled democracy. The idea is simple: you can vote for anyone you want, but then your ballot is reviewed by a masked man with AK-47 to make sure you have voted correctly.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 3 2014 19:33 utc | 5

Another fun fact: far-right party "Rodina" (fatherland of Dimitry Rogozin by the way) has just sent "humanitarian help" to Donbass. The photo on the top of the article does not leave any doubts about how humanitarian it was, and they seem to be proud of it.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 3 2014 19:39 utc | 6

ulster - your hate is showing..

Posted by: james | Nov 3 2014 19:51 utc | 7

Interesting fact about "Ulster" post @6

1. He link to:
http://www.rodina.ru/novosti/Delegaciya-RODINY-peredala-opolchencam-Novorossii-gumanitarnuyu-pomoshh

2. Googling that link itself, you come to this site "Eastern Partnership":

facebook.com/EasternPartnership/posts/10154758460815655


Anton Shekhovtsov

"The Rodina delegation delivered humanitarian aid to people of Novorossiya":

rodina.ru/novosti/Delegaciya-RODINY-peredala-opolchencam-Novorossii-gumanitarnuyu-pomoshh

It's called "humanitarian aid" now. Edward, I'd suggest "Doublespeak" for "D" in the dictionary you are putting together.
-
Anton Shekhovtsov Candidate of Political Sciences (Kandydat politychnykh nauk)

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 3 2014 20:21 utc | 8

The "privatization of space" is mostly cosmetic. Instead of US government agencies launching US rockets with Russian engines, you have one or two US companies launching private rockets with even older engines - one of which exploded recently.
The rest is pseudo-space: sending passengers at $250K a pop into "technical" space, but with the exact same characteristics as a glider flight.
Some say these form stepping stones; it is far from clear however that there are sufficient fundamental changes to actually affect the paradigm of true space travel.
Where there has been real change is solely in the realm of satellites. Rather than $10M+ or $100M+ satellites, there are a number of companies now which can launch a satellite for as low as $100K. The satellites in question are of far less capability than any of the highly engineered satellites in the previous eras, but the lower cost theoretically should permit development of new capabilities - unfortunately, most of them related to surveillance.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 3 2014 20:34 utc | 9

Ulster #5,

you might get a bit of backlash here for your comment. A lot of people here see the Ukrainian government as a fascist junta and the Novorossisk separatists as paragons of revolutionary democracy.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 3 2014 20:37 utc | 10

@10 Fortunately, we're not in Novorossiya so they can't punish me like Iryna Dovhan or Volodymyr Rybak.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 3 2014 21:03 utc | 11

Ulster

YOu have sure read this haha?
https://twitter.com/svynarenko/status/529337731181469696

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 3 2014 21:21 utc | 12

@11 Awwwww..... the poor fascists!

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 3 2014 21:24 utc | 13

Exposed: Steve jobs hoax in Russia
http://rt.com/news/201855-steve-jobs-memorial-gay/

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 3 2014 21:28 utc | 14

EU military dictatorship dictates to russia and the people of Novorossiya that their elections are not to be recognised

"NATO allies, as part of the broad international community, have made clear they will not recognize so-called separatist elections," he said.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/31/384305/nato-warns-russia-over-e-ukraine-polls/
(who are these 'NATO allies'? what is this 'international community?)

while the brutal, fascists installed BY NATO
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554
..their elections as full of violence and error as they are are ok
http://www.nato-pa.int/Default.asp?SHORTCUT=3609

people should goto twitter @NATO and tell them its not up to NATO to tell a free people what they should do.

europeans and americans should tweet NATO that this mythical 'international community' they refer to has never comprised them

Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2014 21:30 utc | 15

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 3, 2014 4:03:46 PM | 11

'Ulster is no friend of Novorossiya

Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2014 21:30 utc | 16

you might get a bit of backlash here for your comment. A lot of people here see the Ukrainian government as a fascist junta and the Novorossisk separatists as paragons of revolutionary democracy.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 3, 2014 3:37:12 PM | 10

Ulster and ralphieboy may see NATO as a saintly democractic alliance

Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2014 21:31 utc | 17

Some snippets re. Ukraine.

This cable from 2010 shows re. recent events “nothing new under the sun” as concerns Western advice and control.

https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10KYIV278_a.html

From Slavyangrad, Galicia is ready to separate from Ukr and play the EU card. No doubt this is minor strand in Galicia (??), but how weird can it all get?

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/11/03/galician-assembly-joining-three-regions-to-europe/

Vera (young ‘artist’ blogger, not an insider) has an OK round up of the energy situation:

http://veragraziadei.com/2014/10/02/emperor-obamas-old-new-clothes-and-the-us-energy-war/

For those who read French, Danielle (communist blogger) is again with her friend Marianne travelling in Ukraine, right now she is Odessa, I recommend

I will just link to the blog, tried to pick out one or another article, difficult. This site also copies many other articles by others (with permission) so one has to wind one’s way around.

http://histoireetsociete.wordpress.com


Posted by: Noirette | Nov 3 2014 21:36 utc | 18

Political innovation from the Federal State of Novorossiya: controlled democracy. The idea is simple: you can vote for anyone you want, but then your ballot is reviewed by a masked man with AK-47 to make sure you have voted correctly.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 3, 2014 2:33:18 PM | 5

troll alert...fun fact for 'ulster'...the people ofNovoriossiya dont seem to be outraged by the presence of defence forces

nowhere is the ballot reviewed by anyone...are you sure youre not thinking of Kiev, with its pravy sektor battalians?

Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2014 21:37 utc | 19

Election Day is tomorrow in the U.S. The only issue facing Democrats is how large of a loss it is going to be. The GOP will increase its margin in the House and take control of the Senate (possibly after a few runoffs). The Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves. Permanent war and endemic joblessness is not a prescription for a popular mandate.

For the American voter there is really no choice to be had. Democracy in the U.S. homeland comes down to, nine times out of ten, a choice between one corporate-sponsored neoliberal warmongering shill versus another.

Which brings to mind this wonderful quote from a story, by Andrew Kramer about yesterday's elections in LPR/DR:

Aleksandr A. Prokhanov, the editor in chief of the Russian nationalist newspaper Zavtra, who has advised separatist field commanders including Mr. Zakharchenko on ideological questions, said in an interview over the weekend that the Donetsk People’s Republic would not be bound by rigid Western ideas of democracy.

There are elections when you choose between A and B, and then there are the more difficult ones when you choose between A and A,” he said. “You are a liberal, so you do not understand this. In the Russian consciousness, you can choose between A and A and A, and choosing between an infinite number of A’s is true freedom.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Nov 3 2014 22:09 utc | 20

I'm surprised ulster doesn't swing the bat for an embattled minority culturally attached to an empire of the past...I must be getting old, how times change.

Posted by: bridger | Nov 3 2014 22:11 utc | 21

Ulster --

Care to post any footage of voting irregularities reported by the Opposition Bloc? I'm not sure what a single video from an doubtlessly impartial Polish source can tell us. Undated, no location given, no sound as far as I can tell (I've been having speaker probs. of late, they need replacing). No need to ask the 70+ election observers....

Here's the Google translate of the poster's description:

"Democracy after putinowsku: elections in Donetsk Republic of China. Behold and place video at home! The more people watch, the more people will understand what the putniowska [little period of Putin, I think this roughly translate as] freedom, democracy, and Putin Putin honesty."

Rybak's murder (which occured in April) was unsolved, your source the Guardian notes, and possibly a provocation by the junta. Irina Dovhan's story from Wikipedia-- by her own admission, was providing food to Ukrainian forces nearby, survived to tell her tale, and has gone on to Mariupol. I of course deplore both the assault and murder.

Meanwhile, how many Rada deputies have been assaulted on the floor or at the rostrum since then? Why was it that they kept having so many problems getting quorums to vote? Are they still throwing opponents into dumpsters now the elections are over? Have you figured out who burned down the Profsoyuz bldg. in Odessa yet?

If you read the article, I think you would find that the picture in front of the rocket launcher is from the ruined Donetsk Historical Museum.

God but you are a Troll.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 3 2014 23:25 utc | 22

A little o/t: the new saker site asks you to go to the old site, but all of my searches get directed to the new site. Can anyone let Saker know about this problem? Thanks. JKS

Posted by: james k. sayre | Nov 3 2014 23:29 utc | 23

@bridger #21, If the embattled minority culturally attached to an empire of the past refers to the one attached to Poland then Austria, then he is.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 4 2014 0:24 utc | 24

Since this is Open thread, I have two excellent movie recommendations:

Z (1969)

State of Siege (1972)

Both are by the director Costa Gavras and both depict the functioning of US-sponsored fascism that gripped the world during the Cold War (and continues to play an enormous role today).

They are both entirely based on real events, and they are certainly exciting thrillers. That said, in content they could be documentaries.

Posted by: guest77 | Nov 4 2014 0:50 utc | 25

@Maracatu #4 - excellent find. Looks like the US has found their latests allies, and Ralphieboy and Ulster their latest heroes.

Posted by: guest77 | Nov 4 2014 0:51 utc | 26

as i said on a previous thread, don't expect ulster to actually engage in a conversation, or answer a direct question put to them.. this isn't likely to change either.. ulsters main focus seems to address the shortcomings of one side only, as opposed to developing a more nuanced and balanced perspective on it all..perfect fodder for any type of lopsided viewpoint actually..

Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 1:14 utc | 27

Auf wiedersehen, Britain: 'Merkel ready to cast UK adrift' over quotas on migrant workers, and the British Prime Minister David Cameron warned he would not pay what he called the “unacceptable” €2.1 billion that the EU had unexpectedly demanded. Analysts say the only way Britain can refrain from paying the money is by exiting the bloc.

UK leaves EU and Ukraine arrives. What a trade.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 4 2014 1:56 utc | 28

@28 don.. and if uk leaves the eu, it triggers another scottish referendum vote.. and apparently the scots are much more in favour of separation now, then they were at the time of the vote..

Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 1:58 utc | 29

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 3, 2014 8:56:23 PM | 28

the balkanisers who destroyed Yugoslavia now may get to feel how thei victim felt...
and EU is far more unstable than yugoslavia ever was

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 2:08 utc | 30

..and Putin knows that too, so he's going out for Chinese.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 4 2014 2:26 utc | 31

the real shame is germans and esp their leadership are once again backing fascism.Those who oppose this are not heard from in the MSM or mainstream discourse

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 2:49 utc | 32

US Senate to Push for Lethal Aid to Ukraine if Obama Won’t: Senator.. link here.

the senator in question is jim inhofe... jim's largest fundraising contributor is koch industries... interestingly, "In December(2013), Koch Industries acquired Molex for $7.2 billion. Molex is a global company which maintains business centers in Ukraine, Russia, Poland and other European countries. The acquisition does not necessarily suggest anything untoward, but the Molex acquisition was the first I found with operations in that country. Would there be a vested interest in exacerbating the underlying conflict in order to create enough chaos to dislodge the oligarchs?" this quote is taken from a link from feb 19 2014 which can be read here..


Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 2:57 utc | 33

Posted by: james | Nov 3, 2014 9:57:27 PM | 33

arming neonazis and islamic terrorists...senate is getting bolder

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 3:37 utc | 34

James @ 27 --

Not only is Ulster a coward and a cheat, he's a sanctimonious and self-important one as well.

With BS sources.

And no style or class.

At least old Cold N. Holefield had decent taste in music....

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 4 2014 4:07 utc | 35

Bodies of 286 women discovered, 400 listed missing in east Ukraine - Donetsk official

From the Yerevan Panorama AM. Can this be true?

Posted by: chuckvw | Nov 4 2014 4:26 utc | 36

Russian Spring

11/04/2014-00:22

Question: Organized crime in Donetsk

Combatant Prokhorov: On a criminal gathering of Donbass, back in March, the thieves upheld to strive for “unitary” Ukraine. Therefore, they are ideologically close to the Ukrainian nationalists.

Battalions such as “Shakhtersk” (renamed in “Tornado”), “Azov”, “Artemovsk” and others are swarmed with thieves (felons), including convicted and temporally released.


Russian Spring

11/03/2014-23:28

Situation overview from 1st Inter-Brigade of South-East:

The night in Donetsk was comparably quiet, except for the airport, where combat never calms down.

Toward evening, the shelling has resumed from all same directions, Peski, Avdeevka.

Localized clashes were reported at an outpost blocking exit from Avdeevka.

Activity of Ukrainian artillery and tanks subsided in Gorlovka with localized clashes flaring up along the front line.

Incessant clashes with artillery continue in area of Nikishino. A serious tank battle was reported in this area.

Activity of punitive troops’ armored vehicles was encountered In Mariupol`: Ukrainians amass forces in district Vostochniy (most tense spot in the city).

Lugansk. In area of Bakhmutka, all outposts from 28 to 31 are either encircled or under massive attack by combatants (mortars, anti-aircraft guns).

Overall, the suspiciously low activity of Ukrainians coincides with a prognosis by military experts anticipating large scale offensive restart in the spring.

Losses:

Civilians - 1/1 (minimum)

Punitive troops – 0/0 (version of Council of National Security and Defense)

Combatants – 0/1

Posted by: Fete | Nov 4 2014 4:52 utc | 37

rufus@35
What happened to Cold Handjob? I don't keep up with the goings on here like I did in the past, and I just noticed how much neater the place has become.

james k. sayre@23 the old site is at vineyardsaker.blogspot.com, I'm not sure what the problem has been with the new site.

Posted by: Jim T | Nov 4 2014 4:55 utc | 38

Jim T @ 38 --

I was wondering that myself, I think I last saw him early on the "Ukraine: Waiting for Jack Frost" thread.

I dunno 'bout tidier. Ulster, our Black and Tan friend of with the large stock of dubious info. has been making quite a mess 'round here.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 4 2014 5:20 utc | 39

rufus magister One thing Cold did was improve my scrolling skills. With a wheel mouse I can skip right over the kind of crap some post here. There are some pretty good links shared here sometimes though, and I like reading b's perspective on things. I don't always agree with it, but I've learned to pay attention to it.

Posted by: Jim T | Nov 4 2014 5:28 utc | 40

Funny how the Kiev elections are recognized as free, fair and all that, with barely 40% turnout, but >60% turn out to every station in the Donbass, and it's "illegitimate."

Posted by: Jon Lester | Nov 4 2014 6:01 utc | 41

@19 @22 On the video you can clearly see the masked gangster asking both voters to show him the paper ballot.

As for Rybak - yes, it was unsolved in April. Later there was video posted of Rybak being taken by the masked gangsters straight from the administrative buildings and beaten on the way. He was never seen alive again. And he was just one of hundreds of people abducted and killed by the militia, majority of the victims being "ordinary citizens, including teachers, journalists, members of the clergy and students" as UN noted in July.

@27 "address the shortcomings of one side only, as opposed to developing a more nuanced and balanced perspective on it all" - this is the most auto-ironic statement I've seen on this blog so far.

@35 Yes, sir, you're right, sir - only these zombie Rusvesna-like sites, producing fakes like machine guns, are not BS. Everything else is BS. Please tell me more about "balanced perspective".

@36 It's already debunked.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 4 2014 8:49 utc | 42

Ulster


@19 @22 On the video you can clearly see the masked gangster asking both voters to show him the paper ballot.


Anton Shekhovtsov @A_SHEKH0VTS0V · 3 nov

BREAKING: An armed and masked terrorist is checking how people "voted" to ensure the fairness of the elections.
https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/status/529069079311958017

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 4 2014 10:34 utc | 43

@43 So once you disclosed my alleged identity what are you going to do?

1) Post my home address publicly hoping that some Novorussian thugs beat me and my family?
2) Give a tip to the police that I'm trading drugs so that they can do the dirty job for you?
3) Send me dead fish or whatever your gangsta friends use to scare people? Or maybe some hate email with death threats?

I propose that all MoA readers vote and help our Anonymous Coward make the right choice. After all, Novorussia has just recently implemented a parody of court where you send someone to death by public vote and we all know this is the bright future of society we all want to see in Europe and America as soon as possible.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 4 2014 11:37 utc | 44

Ulster

WHat are you talking about? I havent spoken about your id nor have I any interest in it.
I just showed where you get your biased information from.
Eastern parternship facebook and the other was from this Anton twitter feed. Is this unbiased sources?
Eastern partership is a a project for fmr soviet states to group together with EU,US and NATO interets, is that really a unbiased source?

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 4 2014 12:02 utc | 45

even the media who will report that
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=68744
will not report that
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29876274

Posted by: Mina | Nov 4 2014 12:04 utc | 46

@45 If you haven't noticed, my biased information came from the official page of party RODINA. The voting video can't be very much biased - you just see what you see.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 4 2014 12:13 utc | 47

Regarding the rights of people in voting for freedom, as in Scotland and Donbass, there is the UN Declaration of Human Rights which begins:

PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law, ...

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 4 2014 13:51 utc | 48

Speaking of debunking...
Ulster's "Stopfake.org" whois info:

Registrant Organization:Internet Invest, Ltd. dba Imena.ua
Registrant Street: Gaidara, 50 st.
Registrant City:Kyiv

Also interesting how this site - with thousands of followers - has ZERO comments on most, if not all, the articles.

Can we say "Astroturf"?

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 4 2014 13:54 utc | 49

Ulster

People here indeed see.

Why shouldnt there be guards in that election?
You think these people want to die just like the people in Odessa that got murdered by the fascists you seems to have no problem with?

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 4 2014 13:56 utc | 50

Comment on the EU's condemnation of elections in Novorossiia: http://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/two-elections-two-responses/

Posted by: KMF | Nov 4 2014 14:46 utc | 51

@35 rufus m... yes, i had noticed all that too.. too bad about all that, lol..

@36 chuckvw.. yes, i am sure all that is true.. this is one part of the problem of having volunteer battalions who are not being held accountable by kiev who make mayhem in eastern ukraine without any authority overseeing them.. they are whacked out crazies of the stephen bandera branch and worse... the poster ulster seems to be in full support or complete ignorance of them too.. mass graves..

@42 ulster ( in response to@36)- if Arsen Avakov says it isn't true, well then it must not be true, lol.. you are a bigger idiot then i give you credit for..

@49 c1ue.. that won't slow down the bozo..

Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 16:32 utc | 52

I do not see Ukraine as any sort of democratic paradise, both the pro-Western and pro-Russian are/were corrupt and not acting in the better interests of their people.
But I do look very skeptically at redrawing international borders.

I know that borders are arbitrary lines that we draw on a map and that the Crimea was simply assigned to the Ukraine as an administrative measure at a time when such borders did not matter very much.

Putin knew what he could get away with and knew that there would be enough "Putinversteher" out there to cover his ass in the sphere of public opinion while ground forces (and I do not care where the f*ck they came from or who supplied their arms) did his bidding on the ground.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 4 2014 16:54 utc | 53

Elections in Donesk, Lugansk. - resumé from Swiss Press, my remarks are —x

Both these “Republics” have changed their clocks, to Russia time.

The elections are reported to have been orderly, with a high turnout.

— In a sense it was urgent to run them, to gain legitimacy of course (you can’t be anything without waving the democracy banner) but also to rapidly put in place some kind of central command, put an end to arbitrary rule by armed groups. Kofman (Donesk candidate) said something like ‘we pass from revolution to legitimacy.’ No one (Putin, Transnistria) can recognize these entities without elections. The elections also represent ‘a promise to the people’…

Presumably, power-sharing went on behind the scenes. The man in charge of organising them, who also organised the previous referendum, is Roman Liaguine. For the 10 days before the elections he has gotten ‘no sleep’ and he is surrounded by his own armed guards. His title is President of the Central Election Committee (Donesk.) Several candidates were turned away, aka forbidden to run, officially as following procedural rules. The case of Pavel Goubarev created a storm. (see goog, wiki..) His car was shot at .. and he ended up on a list for ‘parliamentarians’ rather than as candidate for ‘President’, as he had previously auto-proclaimed himself to be. Boris Litvinov (goog) was also excluded, see past fighting with Alex Borodai (former PM of Donesk, now replaced by Zakharchenko.)

—R. Liaguine, aka Lyagin, is a mysterious figure.

The fault lines between the different factions in the Donbass are numerous. The first, which is public, is between pro-independents and pro-join-Russia.

—Yes, it is mentioned as a talking point by various figures, and I’m sure the ‘split’ reflects opinions in the Donbass

The second is a struggle for control of ressources, both material and ‘banking’, what is going on?

— Thru the murk one can guess at a stand off between rapacious players and those who sincerely want independent republics of a ‘socialist’ type and an end to ‘corruption’..

http://tinyurl.com/qcy65jl = a general article about these elections.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 4 2014 17:10 utc | 54

NOW: Poroshenko plan the big attack on the east coming weeks.
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-11-04/#74051

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 4 2014 17:11 utc | 55

Addendum: wanted to refer to an older cable, from 2008, long ago in these fast moving times, which pretty much outlined the future mess, snippet:

In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html#efmAB5ACs

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 4 2014 17:28 utc | 56

Hmmm... tried to post a debunking of Ulster's video and it doesn't show!
Will try again without link.

Posted by: acrimonious | Nov 4 2014 17:49 utc | 57

@Ulster
How come that the video with the "masked gangster" has, very convenientely, NO METADATA indicating its creation date nor location?
That is, the creation date has been ZEROED!
The metadata can be shown with Phil Harvey ExifTool and it shows THIS:
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Posted by: acrimonious | Nov 4 2014 17:51 utc | 58

Ninety-year-old Arnold Abbott gets arrested for feeding the homeless in Florida as seen in this video.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 4 2014 18:37 utc | 59

Ulster, if he's really that Anton guy, seems to spend the majority of his internet time downplaying the nazi/fascist character of Right Sector et al. As an expert ina particualr vice, his only action has been to defend of downplay the vice. This guy, eh.

And even if he's not Ulster, he exists. So there's that.

Posted by: L Bean | Nov 4 2014 18:59 utc | 60

I'm not Anton but I'm pleased to see that our comments on Novorossiya are similar. Genius minds often follow similar patterns :) He just posted an awesome video of Alexey Mozgovoy introducing sharia law in Donbass. In Russian only, unfortunately, but the he basically says that every woman caught in a cafe will be arrested, because Russian women need to understand their moral superiority which is best manifested by sitting at home.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 4 2014 20:26 utc | 61

how much are you getting paid ulster, or is lying something that comes automatically to you?

Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 20:29 utc | 62

@55 More precisely, the big defense in the coming weeks. Interesting that Kharkov was included. Maybe things are getting sketchier than we thought.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 4 2014 20:52 utc | 63

@ulster #61

Thanks for the unintentional self-parody. "Militants Luganda promised to rape all devushek."

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 4 2014 21:02 utc | 64

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 4, 2014 6:37:31 AM | 44

anybody get the idea Ulster is a neonazi?

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 21:21 utc | 65

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 3, 2014 11:07:42 PM | 35

Cold disappears,.,,,and ulster appears...suggestive!

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 21:23 utc | 66

Malala donates prize money to rebuild school. What a great kid.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dbb088063d6145d888eff0bd8b17c3ef/malala-donates-prize-money-rebuild-gaza-school

Posted by: Johnny Symbol | Nov 4 2014 21:23 utc | 67

'I know that borders are arbitrary lines that we draw on a map and that the Crimea was simply assigned to the Ukraine as an administrative measure at a time when such borders did not matter very much.

Putin knew what he could get away with and knew that there would be enough "Putinversteher" out there to cover his ass in the sphere of public opinion while ground forces (and I do not care where the f*ck they came from or who supplied their arms) did his bidding on the ground.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 4, 2014 11:54:37 AM | 53

Putin is russia president and one iof the most honest integrous leaders in this sorry world today...you make him sound like a thuggish ukrainian oligarch. Youd do better not to sound like WAPO, if you want to influence people here.

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 21:26 utc | 68

"The law on self-administration in parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, also known as the Donbas, was passed by the Ukrainian parliament on September 16th."

"Those who live in Donetsk and Luhansk regions must have an opportunity to elect their new government. We must find reconciliation with this government and bring peace and harmony to the state. It is my path," the Head of State noted.

"We didn't allow destroying fragile truce and dragging Ukraine into a criminal war. Today, we have made it more possible that people in the East will stop dying. It is the main thing," Petro Poroshenko added.

Answering the question whether he was confident that all the parties would comply with the Law, the President said: "We must make our step towards this and ensure that the opponent will also make them. If we do not do this, they will not act as well".

"Earlier on Tuesday (today fwiw), the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) welcomed the decision of Kiev’s authorities to abolish the law, as it "was just covering aggressive plans of Kiev," Donetsk Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin said.

On the same day, a draft law proposed by Petro Poroshenko and aimed at abolishing the Donbas special status was submitted to the Ukrainian parliament."

porky can't make up his mind i guess... who to listen to - the cia advisors, or the nazi members in his cabinet?

meanwhile,the mouthpiece for the west chimes in quickly.. "NATO considers elections, that took place in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics (DPR and LPR) on November 2, to be contradictory to the Minsk agreements." key word "considers...."... along with all their other considerations, lol..

Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 21:37 utc | 69

@james #69:

Col. Cassad reports (Russian link) that the newly leaders of the DPR and LPR have restarted talk of a greater Novorossiya, and interprets that as a threat by Russia to the junta. Kiev expected Russia to back down on the elections in the people's republics under pressure from the US and the EU, but it didn't. Cassad believes that both sides are going to stop even pretending that they are observing the Minsk accords.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 4 2014 22:15 utc | 71

demian - thanks for that overview.. makes a lot of sense.. sounds like it is going back to the propaganda war, with innocent people being murdered and the military industrial complex reaping the profits.. that's how i've interpreted NATO's "considerations".. may as well translate as "when do we gear up for the possibility of war and what do we have to do to help make that happen?"

Posted by: james | Nov 4 2014 22:22 utc | 72

wonder why he chose the nom de obscure 'ulster'?

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 22:51 utc | 73

'meanwhile,the mouthpiece for the west chimes in quickly.. "NATO considers elections, that took place in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics (DPR and LPR) on November 2, to be contradictory to the Minsk agreements." key word "considers...."... along with all their other considerations, lol..


Posted by: james | Nov 4, 2014 4:37:38 PM | 69

what if the russian military decided the US mid termm elections were illegitimate... how would americans respond?

Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2014 23:20 utc | 74

"Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko orders reinforcements to key cities in the south and east in case of a new pro-Russian rebel offensive."
The BushBlairCorporation or BiasedBullshitCorporation is here again! Next stop crashsite MH17 and blame it on the pro-Russian rebels aka terrorists.
And for the moment I don't see a lot of difference between cia and nazi. Common Goal: Crash donbass!

Posted by: slirs | Nov 4 2014 23:47 utc | 75

Brian @ 65 & 73, Ulster @ 61

I was onto his far-right game early. In one of my first conversations, he had a video posted from the Svoboda-friendly Video News Odessa site. My g'ma's people came from Belfast, so I'm annoyed he's besmirching the province's fine name. I like to call him "Black and Tan," it seems to fit.

My spoken Russ. is not good enough, esp. on the poor quality video, to follow along in the meeting. Comments were pretty nasty, though. I looked at the YouTube channel of the poster, Eric Hartmann. The picture of Jesus in Blue & Yellow arm-wrestling the devil in Red & Blue pretty much tells you what you need to know. Did a quick google for Mozgovoy and Sharia, didn't find any postings on it. I'm sure other details will surface.

Anonymous at 45 --

Take a look at my no. 22 for how Ulster uses his sources. The rocket launcher pictured looks a musuem exhibit.

Acrimonious @ 58 --

I presume that's the Polish-sourced voting video early in the thread. Could you give the same treatment to the video posted at 61? Any indication of source, etc.?

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 4 2014 23:48 utc | 76

@Demian #71

Interesting stuff. This link from the Cassad article might explain why Poroshenko is ordering UAF to deploy in Kharkov. At the very least, the Kharkov situation is materially affecting UAF's ability to respond to developments in DPR/LPR.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 5 2014 2:30 utc | 77

The Dominican Republic has just withdrawn from the International Court of Human Rights. Let the sanctions begin, no fly zone, armed intervention? The OAS ordered an armed intervention in 1965, perhaps a new one is upon us to make the caribbean the western version of the middle east? No sunnis or shiites, but plenty of Cuba libres and Mojitos.....

Posted by: Fernando | Nov 5 2014 3:36 utc | 78

Demian & 3rdEye, 71 & 77

Not only was the news about Resistance in Kharkov interesting and potentially promising, the Colonel's look at junta politics was very informative as well. "Now Kolomoiskii-sponsored punitive detachments [have] already openly threatened that further concessions will not be tolerated and that the situation can only be resolved by war. And since Poroshenko is now forced to bargain with Yatsenyuk about the future of the coalition, he is forced to take a more assertive position which has resulted in the decision to repeal the law on the status of Donbass...."

Great, just what we need, another quick fascist coup and/or a renewed war just before the onset of winter.

As a no. of postings here projected, for all the talk in the MSM about the "pro-European" Poroshenko, the results from the Rada have moved politics further to right.

Poroshenko, after polling 40%, got half that and ran second to the National Front. Yatsenyuk's party is close to "volunteer battalion commanders." They've got a no. of them on their parliamentary list.

Lyashko is down but not out, and Svoboda got over 5 pct. needed for seats on the list. CPUkr. is out, Opposition bloc a rump of the former Party of Regions members.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 5 2014 5:04 utc | 79

Russian Spring

11/04/2014-23:34

Summary from fronts by combatant Prokhorov

Today’s battles shifted under Debal`tsevo: settlements Chernukhino, Nikishino, Mius, Redkodub, Mogila Ostraya.

Outpost 31, Bakhmutka area, was fully rotated. Ukrainians withdrew and brought back under dense artillery fire. As it always happens, they pounded residential quarters of Kirovsk, Frunze and others. At the same time mortars densely worked at them.


Russian Spring

11/04/2014-22:04

Summary from Donetsk fronts by combatant Ian

During the night the clashes went on in area of the new terminal (Donetsk airport). The opponent fired mortars from Peski and howitzers from Avdeevka.

In the morning the howitzer shelling resumed from Avdeevka. Kiev nazis attempted an attack on our positions from Peski. With support of a tank platoon and armored carriers as well as mortar batteries, the opponent came close to airport fringes. By reciprocal fire the opponent was dispersed.

The first half of the day the opponent’s aviation showed activity; no less than 3 fighter jets were in the air of Novorossia simultaneously.

Posted by: Fete | Nov 5 2014 5:14 utc | 80

And speaking of the Colonel, I just saw his interview with Counterpunch.

"The country is now openly managed by the oligarchs... dependent on American imperialism. We can see that for fascism, communism remains its worst of enemies.... In Europe part of the left does not understand the threat posed by fascism in Ukraine due to political blindness. From my point of view, any modern people of left or communist views are obliged to one degree or another to take part in the fight against the Ukrainian fascism, as it threatens not only the people of Ukraine, but also threatens to plunge the world into a major war."

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 5 2014 5:15 utc | 81

@rufus #79

Ol' Porky's caught between a rock and a hard place. He needs some pretense of keeping the Minsk Accords in place to keep NAF from going on the offensive, but but efforts to do that could launch a power struggle or worse. Kiev politics might also cause a problem changing the disposition of UAF from offensive to defensive, which is what they need to do to prevent another August debacle.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 5 2014 5:28 utc | 82

@rufus magister #81

Well, it's nice that Counterpunch is paying a little attention to Novorossiya. Although I am skeptical about this statement of Rozhin's: "in combat units there are people across the political and ideological views – in one battalion can be found Christian believers (Orthodox, or Mormons), and atheists, communists, and anarchists". I really find it hard to believe that any Mormons are fighting for Novorossiya: Mormons are inherently conservative, and Mormons and Russian Orthodox have nothing in common. The only thing I can guess is that since Rozhin is communist-leaning, he has little understanding of Christianity. Also, maybe Rozhin was saying what he thinks Americans want to hear.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 5 2014 5:51 utc | 83

to thirdeye @ 82

I meant to post this link earlier, a nice postmortem on the election. This bit on Poroshenko further explains his problem.

The post quotes Vyacheslav Igrunov, a former State Duma deputy and a founder of Russia’s opposition party Yabloko, as saying "To be sure, no one expected such results from Yatseniuk. Yatseniuk has taken a much tougher anti-Russian line than Poroshenko. Ukrainian society is in a state of extreme excitement; Russophobia has been heated up by the media every day. Poroshenko has been perceived as a man who went into collusion with Putin – that’s a person who is unable to protect the nation. Therefore, his electorate went to Yatseniuk. Ukrainian society is not very committed to radical action, to armed struggle. It would prefer the quieter methods. But they believe they must paint themselves as a strong nation. Yatseniuk is in the best position to meet these expectations."

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 5 2014 6:04 utc | 84

@rufus #84:

Thanks for that. From reading it, I get the impression that the main reason for Yetsenyuk doing well was low voter turnout, only 52% – not very good for a country which is supposed to have made a bold leap to democracy last February. It appears that the same thing is happening in the former Ukraine as happens here in the US: the more progressively inclined voters are too disgusted by the system to bother to vote.

I found it interesting that even somebody associated with Yabloko says that the Ukraine is "heated up" with "Russophobia". (The Wikipedia article on Russophobia was recently renamed to "Anti-Russian sentiment", btw. It appears that the majority of the editors are so Russphobic that they do not believe that there is such a thing as Russophobia.)

Posted by: Demian | Nov 5 2014 6:38 utc | 85

Demian 85 --

Agreed, quite interesting that someone from Yavlinsky's Atlanticist party would describe the atmosphere in Banderastan so.

ps - I erred, at 4.71 pct. in the nearly-final results, Svoboda won't make it in.

Posted by: rufus magister | Nov 5 2014 6:46 utc | 86

@84 rufus.. thanks also for the link.. so nulands man yats has landed the most votes.. funny how that happened.. maybe the nuland gang know something we don't about pulling strings in elections? i find yats banking connections especially interesting..

let me break this down.. yats = a connection to the usa, porkoshenko= a connection to russia.. both= a connection to oligarchs.. that is a lose, lose for ukraine..

Posted by: james | Nov 5 2014 6:55 utc | 87

@james #87:

Poroshenko is just as much a connection to the US as he is to Russia. See President Petro Poroshenko, “Our Ukraine Insider” for the U.S. State Department.

The main difference I see between Yanukovich and Poroshenko is that the former appears to be a nut, since he is a Scientologist and wants to build a wall between the former Ukraine and Russia, whereas Poroshenko is just an oligarch (and hence an unprincipled opportunist).

@Thirdeye #82:

Indeed. Poroshenko's position as president was never particularly strong, and after these elections, it has become weaker.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 5 2014 7:13 utc | 88

@james #87:

Poroshenko is just as much a connection to the US as he is to Russia. See GlobalResearch.ca: President Petro Poroshenko, “Our Ukraine Insider” for the U.S. State Department (spam filter blocks link).

The main difference I see between Yanukovich and Poroshenko is that the former appears to be a nut, since he is a Scientologist and wants to build a wall between the former Ukraine and Russia, whereas Poroshenko is just an oligarch (and hence an unprincipled opportunist).

@Thirdeye #82:

Indeed. Poroshenko's position as president has never been particularly strong, and after these elections, it has become weaker.

Posted by: Demian | Nov 5 2014 7:16 utc | 89

James @87 - I don't think Poroschenko is a connection to Russia. If I remember correctly, he was called in the wikileaks cables a cia asset. So both Yats and Poro seem to be US tools.

Posted by: Fran | Nov 5 2014 7:17 utc | 90

fair enough, but if someone - anyone wants to see yats pull ahead, they have to paint porkoshenko out as closer to the russian viewpoint.. a person of tolerance and balance will be done away with in this type of environment.. i got that general gist on poroshenko from rufus's article at 84..maybe i read more into it then was their. i agree with both of you fwiw..

Posted by: james | Nov 5 2014 7:21 utc | 91

igor stelkov 18' interview from today..

Posted by: james | Nov 5 2014 7:29 utc | 92

i guess that was from nov 3rd, after seeing another link to it from a day before..

Posted by: james | Nov 5 2014 7:46 utc | 93

Commentary from John Helmer - using direct interviews with voter surveyors on the ground in Ukraine - seem to indicate the switch to Yatseniuk was due to views of Poroshenko being "too soft on separatists", which in turn is pretty easily linked to Ukrainian MSM messaging pushing for more war.
As for Svoboda/Pravy Sektor - why does it really matter if they aren't "officially" in the Rada when they already have key persons in Cabinet positions?

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 5 2014 11:03 utc | 94

L Bean

Yeah, and here he want to punish the observers of the election.


At least 35 of the "observers" of the fake "elections" have committed the crime of illegal border crossing, and must be prosecuted.

https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/status/529263372056150016

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 5 2014 14:11 utc | 95

I'll credit Porky with at least showing glimmers of military realism. He saw the prospect of losing half of Ukraine in August. He backed away from gambling on another offensive when confronted with an invigorated Voentorg. He sees the need for going on the defensive. Yatsenyuk tapped into the more fatuous sentiments, but the batshit path he's promised would lead to disaster.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Nov 5 2014 16:13 utc | 96

@76

Dear Rufus,

Ekho Moskvy has just republished the Mozgovoy video with Russian transcription, so you can check for yourself what your beloved leader of Novorussia has said.

P.S. if you're still searching for "Mozgovoy sharia", don't - it's called "irony" :)

P.P.S. I have just checked what Exif is and seems like if it's not there it merely means that the cam used to record it simply did not support Exif.

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 5 2014 17:00 utc | 97

@rufus magister
The metadata of the video posted at 61 is below.
At least the creation dates does not seem to have been tampered with, but unfortunately ( :-D ) they show the video has been "created" at 2014:11:04 17:05:22 which is RIGHT BEFORE being uploaded to Youtube, thus it seems that this is not the ORIGINAL video but the output of some video editing made before uploading.
The original video would show a timestamp for a plausible date for the Mozgovoy conference.


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Posted by: acrimonious | Nov 5 2014 17:23 utc | 98

@Ulster
"the cam used to record it simply did not support Exif."

LOL, even the cheapest smartphones support exif, up to the point that ISIS, AL Nusra & al have issued technical memos on how to remove the compromising data before posting to Youtube.
If the GPS is active there's even the LOCATION of the shot...

Posted by: acrimonious | Nov 5 2014 17:33 utc | 99

@97 Yes, it was probably edited - it's part of the 51 minutes long people's court recording posted on Mozgovoy's official YouTube channel (Информотряд штаба А.Мозгового). The excerpt starts at 16:00 of this official video. So it looks like it's real, and they're not ashamed of it, quite the opposite - proudly building Taliban in the heart of Europe! What is your next conspiracy theory about origin of this video, by the way?

@98 Did you know that people not always use "smartphones" for recording video? Do words like "camcorder" or "video camera" ring any bell?

Posted by: Ulster | Nov 5 2014 19:07 utc | 100

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