Hubris “Far Beyond” Any Borders

October 5, 2014

The Washington Post claims:

A recent spate of dangerous midair encounters between American military aircraft and Chinese and Russian planes in the Pacific is the result of increasingly assertive strategies by both U.S. adversaries to project power far beyond their borders, according to the top U.S. Air Force commander in the region.

Far beyond their borders? That is a bit curious as neither China nor Russia have, besides their nuclear missiles, any real military capability for such power projection. So how "far beyond their borders" does this really go?

[Air Force Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, the head of U.S. Pacific Air Forces, ] said U.S. and Chinese forces are frequently encountering each other in parts of the East China and South China seas … China’s navy has conducted more exercises farther away from its shores and is closely patrolling areas in disputed waters where Chinese companies are drilling for oil.
…
That incident occurred in international airspace about 135 miles east of China’s Hainan Island.

Funny how all the incidents listed to provide examples for China's power projection "in the Pacific" and "far beyond" its borders happened in the two China seas and near the Chinese shoreline.

Now how about Russian power projection "far beyond" its borders?

On Sept. 17, U.S. fighter jets intercepted a half-dozen Russian military planes — two fighter jets, two long-range bombers and two refueling tankers — as they were flying in international airspace near the coast of Alaska.

Umm – is that the same Alaska from which a certain U.S. vice president candidate could actually see Russia? That then must really be "far beyond" Russia's borders, right?

Really, how dare these countries to have their borders so very near to U.S. ships and air-planes?

I find the hubris expressed in such nonsensical claims "far beyond" any rationality.

Posted by b on October 5, 2014 at 12:25 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Nice post b.
The recent mid-air brush of the P-3c with a Chinese J-11 fighter jet might have changed the situation somewhat. While the Whitehouse and Pentagon still insisted that ‘Merika has the right to open air space in South China Sea, such spy flights are expected to be curtailed over time. Those were subjects of discussion in recent high level consultation between US and China. Susan Rice’s visit last month to Beijing was one of such consultation to settle things down a bit.

Posted by: OleImmigrant | Oct 5 2014 14:19 utc | 1

Imperial hubris is indeed the correct term for this sort of mentality, b. The ‘indispensable nation’ gets to have hundreds of bases and lillypads all over the eastern hemisphere. But God damn any other country that so much as tries to fly a military aircraft right near their own sovereign territory!

Umm – is that the same Alaska from which a certain U.S. vice president candidate could actually see Russia?

Ha, ha! Good ole Sarah. I remember her saying that she could actually see “Putin rearing his head” from her window. I like that. Rearing his head–as though he were a giant cobra!

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Oct 5 2014 14:20 utc | 2

It aint “hubris”
Its propaganda,
Ya moron

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 5 2014 14:23 utc | 3

3;It takes hubris to issue such naked propaganda;Is that what you meant?Ya knucklehead.
We are living in the age of Zionist bullshit.

Posted by: dahoit | Oct 5 2014 14:28 utc | 4

The ‘far beyond borders’ part was correct. They just “forgot” who was beyond whose borders. It comes from the same playbook that allows them to “remember” that Assad is responsible for all the murder and vandalism perpetrated by Obama and KSA’s mercenaries in Syria.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 5 2014 15:05 utc | 5

It’s a strategic error. Russia and China, even though at some odds in their relationship, will strengthen their alliance merely out of survival instincts.
BRICS is the key. TTIP is their only rational response, but it is tumescent.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Oct 5 2014 15:23 utc | 6

i wouldn’t mind seeing Biden blamingsquarely the French, though
http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.de/2014/10/something-gave-part-i-i-will-send.html
http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.de/2014/10/something-gave-part-ii-joe-biden-our.html

Posted by: Mina | Oct 5 2014 15:25 utc | 7

Washington Post’s Imperial Newspeak basically says that the US has the inherent right to send her aircraft wherever she likes whenever she feels like it. Doesn’t the rest of the world know her area of influence extends to that of the vicinity of other nations 8 to 10,000+ miles from her borders??
As such, the aircraft of the nations in question had better move out of the way, even if they are on or very near their own home turf. If we decide it is in our backyard, then we have a God-given right to be there.
Classic US double-standard. Act like it’s 1946 and everyone is still leveled by the war.

Posted by: Farflungstar | Oct 5 2014 15:27 utc | 8

The U.S. justifies its global military presence, especially naval, by claiming that it is securing the global commons. From the most recent Pentagon published a Defense priorities document:

To enable economic growth and commerce, America, working in conjunction with allies and partners around the world, will seek to protect freedom of access throughout the global commons – those areas beyond national jurisdiction that constitute the vital connective tissue of the international system. Global security and prosperity are increasingly dependent on the free flow of goods shipped by air or sea. State and non-state actors pose potential threats to access in the global commons, whether through opposition to existing norms or other anti-access approaches.

So according to this rationale the U.S. is protecting shipping, mostly to and from China, in the China Seas from threats by … whom? Pirates?
And does China say thank you, American taxpayers, for protecting our shipping in the China Seas, the Persian Gulf and elsewhere?
No. China is thankless for this service, and in fact harasses US warships in the South China Sea. No gratitude.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2014 15:29 utc | 9

uncle chutzpah
http://tinyurl.com/m5dhag7

Posted by: denk | Oct 5 2014 16:17 utc | 10

nice post b.. nice article too @10 denk’s post.. i like humour added to the mix..
what can be said about the WAPO that hasn’t already been said? piece of crap? propaganda, or is it paranoia central? an official mouthpiece for the exceptional nation…
b, i think you will never understand the mindset of those types who are inside the military establishment in the usa. they are so far gone – too far gone doesn’t describe it..hubris is not the same as propaganda, but when the hubris is so deep, the propaganda is the aftereffect… thanks for the reminder..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2014 16:39 utc | 11

Hubris – arrogance, extreme pride. In ancient Greek, hubris referred to actions that shamed and humiliated the victim for the pleasure or gratification of the abuser.
Propaganda – information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
2. a committee of cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Oct 5 2014 17:32 utc | 12

Russian Bombers Fly Within 50 Miles of California Coast

Four Russian strategic bombers triggered U.S. air defense systems while conducting practice bombing runs near Alaska this week, with two of the Tu-95 Bear H aircraft coming within 50 miles of the California coast, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (Norad) confirmed Wednesday.
“The last time we saw anything similar was two years ago on the Fourth of July,” Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Norad spokesman, told the Free Beacon.
Davis said the latest Bear H incursions began Monday around 4:30 p.m. Pacific time when radar detected the four turbo-prop powered bombers approaching the U.S. air defense zone near the far western Aleutian Islands.
Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets were scrambled and intercepted the bombers over the Aleutians.
After tracking the bombers as they flew eastward, two of the four Bears turned around and headed west toward the Russian Far East. The bombers are believed to be based at the Russian strategic base near Anadyr, Russia.
The remaining two nuclear-capable bombers then flew southeast and around 9:30 P.M. entered the U.S. northern air defense zone off the coast of Northern California.
Two U.S. F-15 jets were deployed and intercepted the bombers as they eventually flew within 50 miles of the coast before turning around and heading west.
A defense official said the four bombers also were supported by two IL-78 aerial refueling tankers that were used for mid-air refueling during the operation this week.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 5 2014 17:43 utc | 13

The Russian bombers that came within 50 miles of California were on a training run, Fast Freddy. A training run to drop nuclear bombs on your kid’s head. I guess you’d welcome that as understandable and justifiable Blowback, and hey, look on the bright side — should Russia decide to go through with it, your kid won’t have to deal with the chastisement for not saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 5 2014 17:48 utc | 14

Gotdaaaam, denk, how precient of Ed Herman (from your link)

And the Chinese, objecting to our spy planes on their coast, do not recognize that our planes themselves are “sovereign” territory, while the Chinese mainland has a more dubious status.

Nothing has changed an iota since that article was written 4/2001.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 5 2014 18:06 utc | 15

@ Holefield:
on september 23 US fighters not only flew within 50 miles of syria’s border, but actually crossed on over into their airspace and proceeded to drop a shitload of bombs on whoever happened to be below.

Posted by: john | Oct 5 2014 18:16 utc | 16

Cold, lessons in mutually assured destruction are well-understood by the people here. Perhaps less so by the megalomaniacal one percenters of Big Oil, et al, and their political puppets.
Your remarks would be better appreciated should you temper them with some acknowlegement of the actions which preface and encourage aggressive behavior from our perceived enemies.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Oct 5 2014 18:17 utc | 17

BTW, Good to hear that NORAD is working again – albeit selectively and intermittently.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Oct 5 2014 18:20 utc | 18

I guess then the US will not be to happy about this:
Aufrüsten in der Arktis: Russland stellt Radaranlage vor Alaska auf | Zeitungen | RIA Novosti

Vor wenigen Tagen wurde auf der Wrangelinsel und dem Schmidtkap (nahe Alaska) eine große Radaranlage aufgestellt und ein Flugleitzentrum errichtet.

Russia is building a big radar near Alaska and a “airtrafic”?-center. And they also intent to station troups theres.

Posted by: Fran | Oct 5 2014 18:45 utc | 19

How very clever of the Russians to fly along the interstices of US Combatant Commands USEUCOM, USPACOM and USNORTHCOM, as shown here, thus trying to confuse and generally discombobulate the defenses of the leader of the free world.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2014 19:09 utc | 20

Your remarks would be better appreciated should you temper them with some acknowlegement of the actions which preface and encourage aggressive behavior from our perceived enemies.
Posted by: Fast Freddy | Oct 5, 2014 2:17:13 PM | 17
I prefer to not be redundant. I’m offering part of the perspective noticeably absent at this space. It would be a waste of time for me to repeat criticisms of The West and America. Certainly you’re not advocating for an Echo Chamber, are you?

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 5 2014 19:14 utc | 21

@13, 14 CNH
I bet you a pair of superbowl tickets that if the Russian training flights pull the same stunt two three days in a row, a squadron of F-15 will scramble out of San Diego. Taker?

Posted by: OleImmigrant | Oct 5 2014 19:18 utc | 22

Don, that map makes me sick.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 5 2014 19:38 utc | 23

This on Hong Kong Takungpao newspaper:
US-Vietnam Military Cooperation
Article says the US announced the repeal of weaponry sanction against Vietnam. Russian expert pointed out that this just another step in the US containment of China. His of the opinion that Vietnam wanted to purchase US weaponry as part of diplomatic measure to establish some form of pseudo military alliance with the US. He thinks China may not respond as yet, but ultimately would do so strongly. There will be negotiations and settlements against such purchases in the future, and maybe some concessions.
The Pivot to Asia is playing out.

Posted by: OleImmigrant | Oct 5 2014 19:38 utc | 24

Cold
Why shouldnt they? You are brainwashed by obama when he and nato threat x state with war every other month. So just shut it donkey.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 5 2014 20:14 utc | 25

@21 I’m offering part of the perspective noticeably absent at this space.
What part is that? Postmodernist piffle? Nihilistic gibberish? Nobody’s buying what your selling kid.

Posted by: Nana2007 | Oct 5 2014 20:58 utc | 26

The question arises- what choice do China, Russia, et al have at this point? Ulsan Gunnar has a good piece on this at New Asia Times:
While in theory the UN is supposed to be an impartial arbiter of international law, through clearly biased actions it is revealed to be a subject to certain special interests, merely using the pretext of human rights and international law to selectively advance the agenda of certain member states while ignoring entirely such principles when convenient.
In Syria, US bombs are now killing Syrian civilians, destroying infrastructure and all while violating the sovereignty of the nation of Syria itself. The act of military aggression the US and its partners are exercising in Syria run contrary to the UN Charter itself and constitute a grave infraction of international law. When the UN ponders the steady erosion of its legitimacy, popularity and effectiveness, it is displays of double standards like those seen in Syria that are the cause.
Likewise, in Ukraine, where ultra-right militants espousing Nazism are openly carrying out human rights violations so often and overtly that even the European-aligned OSCE must report them all while the UN remains utterly silent and flaccid, undermines not only the UN itself, but the concept of international law altogether.
When international law is cited and enforced selectively by certain member states of the United Nations, using the UN itself as a platform to legitimize otherwise illegal actions, the world teeters on the edge of global lawlessness leaving the remaining members of the UN to ponder alternatives in resolving injustices perpetuated rather than challenged by the UN and its Charter.
Eastern Ukrainians, the Syrians and all their respective allies are left with little other choice than to act unilaterally themselves to defend their territory and people as well as their interests in the face of rogue nations that have apparently co-opted and now control much of the UN.
http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/05/from-ukraine-to-syria-un-s-selective-defense-of-human-rights/

Posted by: Nana2007 | Oct 5 2014 21:25 utc | 27

13,14: Russia has to be ready in case Uncle Sam goes berserk. Have you seen the way this asshole has acted since 2001? And then recently, very close to Russia?? Of course you have. You have a one-sided blog no one cares about.
Now they are doing something to defend themselves and send a message you run under your bed and start to cry no fair?
A nuclear explosion is the only thing that will penetrate the Amerikan dunderheads and their inexplicable ability to understand that if you are gonna do something that can be taken as threatening, provocative and dangerous, you can’t whinge and cry like a little twat when someone else follows suit. (Albeit FAR less aggressively Orwellian and murderous than Amerika – takes little to send the pampered USian elites into hysterics these days – as well as deliberately contrarian wingnuts with blogs no one reads.)
Everyone is tired of the blatant double standards. And after the Amerikan Uber Death Party in the Middle East with Iraq, Libya, and now Syria, all in defense/complicity of the shitbag JSIL settler colony and repressive KSA dicks, you do not have the moral high ground you once did. When you cry, “Hey! We’re the only ones allowed to do that!” Not everyone pays attention now.
You can’t be a hypocrite forever and expect to be taken seriously, especially when your leaders and their defenders act like a bunch of spoiled snot-nose kids who want ALL the toys in the sandbox for himself, not just his own.

Posted by: Farflungstar | Oct 5 2014 22:01 utc | 28

Russia is responding to a form of warfare practiced by the US, organized economic sanctions. The US has developed this form of warfare to a practiced method of impoverishing and even killing people in countries where the governments don’t bow to US governance. So what’s a few planes flying around compared to that?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2014 22:10 utc | 29

@ Farflungstar #28
Russia has to be ready in case Uncle Sam goes berserk.
How will we discern that event from present behavior?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2014 22:12 utc | 30

Colden Blowhard: You forgot the part of the article on the goose-stepping Free Beacon that said: “And they did not enter territorial airspace.”
In other words, go and clean your shit-stained undies out.

Posted by: Farflungstar | Oct 5 2014 22:17 utc | 31

Don Bacon 30:
Good point.

Posted by: Farflungstar | Oct 5 2014 22:21 utc | 32

@18 Fast Freddy.. hilarious!! thanks for that!
ditto don @30 too! i think cold is holding the keys to the lunny bin and can find out for us..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2014 22:56 utc | 33

The extreme double standards of the powerful. The prerogatives of power.
Take a look at the social dynamics of police brutality in the United States and you have America’s plans for the world.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 5 2014 23:46 utc | 34

Here’s a funny RT article which discusses the possibility of Dick Cheney being murdered by hackers who turn off his pacemaker.
Now that would be some borderless action we can all agree on.
http://rt.com/news/193312-first-online-murder-cybercrime/

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 5 2014 23:57 utc | 35

Farflungstar wrote at 8:

Classic US double-standard. Act like it’s 1946 and everyone is still leveled by the war.

Considering how many countries have been leveled since then by the Arsenal of Democracy, 1946 seems to be US diplomacy’s preferred baseline year…
Don Bacon wrote at 9:

The U.S. justifies its global military presence, especially naval, by claiming that it is securing the global commons.

Old English folk rhyme:
They put in prison the man or woman
Who steals a goose from the common
But leave the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose
Fast Freddy wrote at 18:

Good to hear that NORAD is working again – albeit selectively and intermittently.

A Cessna strays over from Canada and interceptors are scrambled in minutes. Four airliners are hijacked and NORAD goes 404…
Nana2007 quotes at 27:

Likewise, in Ukraine, where ultra-right militants espousing Nazism are openly carrying out human rights violations so often and overtly that even the European-aligned OSCE must report them all while the UN remains utterly silent and flaccid, undermines not only the UN itself, but the concept of international law altogether.

I seem to recall something about the “United Nations” very name coming from the war against Naziism. At the very least the junta’s delegation should be ejected until a de-Nazified government of some kind takes over in Kiev.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Oct 6 2014 0:39 utc | 36

If you want to understand what’s going on – see this presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo
Right at around 41 minute mark: 23 US planes shot down by the Russians (and over 200 airmen lost) because they were deliberately intruding into Soviet airspace in order to force air defense radars to kick off – thus enabling mapping of air defense networks for potential future attack.
A more detailed list: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=258352
Another list of incidents: http://www.spyflight.co.uk/main.htm
Resident troll morons to the contrary – there ain’t no good guys here.
The US is constantly intruding into other nations’ airspace precisely in order to get air defense radars turned on so that the strength of these systems can be evaluated, and planning performed for future attacks. The Russians returning the favor – but clearly at a far lower level of effort.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 6 2014 0:56 utc | 37

@Vintage Red #36:
US diplomacy’s preferred baseline year is 1991. In 1946, the world was bipolar (no pun intended); in 1991, it became monopolar. American foreign policy types consider Russia to be a revisionist state, which doesn’t make any sense if you take 1946 as the baseline.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 6 2014 1:16 utc | 38

Posted by: Nana2007 | Oct 5, 2014 5:25:59 PM | 27
Yep. I was already feeling circumspect about the legitimacy of the UN. But when it recently allowed mass-murdering thief, coward and liar, Bibi, to deliver an address I decided it was time to designate the UN as (just another) totally untrustworthy Enemy of Humanity.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 6 2014 2:39 utc | 39

Speaking of hubris, here’s a fascinating excerpt from the reputedly hacked email account of a close associate of Ukie oligarch Kolomoisky concerning a little holocaust :
5. September 12, 2014 10:21
Subject: Parasyuk
Pankevich to Filatov:
“What happened in Dobropolie back in May? I hear some mightily scary stuff here. Why was I not in the swim?”
6. September 12, 2014 11:04
Subject: Parasyuk
Filatov to Pankevich:
“You did not miss any global catastrophe. On May 30 the battalion entered the city, took over the train station, then the 2nd company has moved for cleansing in direction of Oktyabrskoe. It seems, they even had some skirmish with separatists there. I was reported that they destroyed an intelligence cell. That is all there is to scary stuff.”
7. September 12, 2014 11:20
Subject: Parasyuk
Pankevich to Filatov:
“No, it is not all, Boris. Your idiots slaughtered 37 civilians, 19 of them were Jews! And you know where I got such a detailed information? Yesterday night somebody dug out the garbage bags and boxes with the remains of all those 37 people! You know me well, I would not have mind, if all 37 had been Jews, but do you realise, that this kind of Mini-Holocaust that your fighters committed will not die down in time? Do you have an idea how to move it ahead and present to the public? Didn’t you have enough trouble with the Trade Union Building (May 2, Odessa—edit.), did you? Do you realise that it was not some mushroom hunters, who found the mass grave? That there was a certain person who pointed out those bags and boxes? Give it a thought, my dear Boris, either nobody recognized your guy in captivity (Parasyuk is one of most visible members of Kolomoisky mercenaries, captured but claimed to be able to escape because nobody recognized him—edit.), or he sang to them like a nightingale while in captivity. Please, be so kind to make sure that your Parasyuk will not come close to our current affairs. Only God knows, what kind of person he became after captivity.”

Shades of Babels King of the Jews and er, the three stooges…

Posted by: Nana2007 | Oct 6 2014 3:46 utc | 40

Sorry link:
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/10/05/holocaust-in-dnepropetrovsk-style/#more-4117

Posted by: Nana2007 | Oct 6 2014 3:46 utc | 41

Russian Spring
10/05/2014-16:14
Officer of a reconnaissance platoon, nicknamed “Shaman”, informs about situation on the front:

…
As once more was confirmed, the “military market (or mall)” (combatants’ logistics) is closed. Obtaining ammo has become a serious issue. Anti-tank means, while available, are efficient on old models of armored hardware. APCs upgraded by grids present a serious problem. Combatants complain of shortage of tandem ammo. They note same low quality of anti-tank means as it was in Slavyansk.
…
The enemy forces are echeloned in attack configuration – concentration of armored hardware in area Kurakhovo-Mar`inka and Karlovka-Avdeevka-Peski. The attack is expected from south-west and north-west (Monday-Tuesday?). Up to 40 tanks and 10 thousand infantry. Near Avdeevka – “Grads”, “Uragans”, “D-30s” – overall quantity is several tens. Under Mar`inka – battery of “Grads”… Total number of artillery systems is up to 90. Significant ammo quantity is stocked for offense. Dislocated in Krasnogorovka are up to 3 thousand of infantry + tanks and APCs.
Yesterday, artillery of “Khmuriy” (Chief of Reconnaissance of Donetsk Republic, general-major Petrovskiy) together with battalion “Kal`mius” (special unit consisting of miners) in retaliatory strike on positions of junta forces destroyed and damaged up to 20 tanks, 5 “Uragans”, killed and wounded several tens of personnel. Thus, mounting of enemy storm groups is being disturbed.
On Volnovakha and Mariupol` direction, Ukrainians implement urgent engineering works of defense character.

Russian Spring
10/06/2014-01:48
A scheme depicting Donetsk airport. The combatants control all buildings plus about half of the runway. Ukrainians retain the other half plus surrounding territories: Avdeevka, Peski, Opitnoye …

Posted by: Fete | Oct 6 2014 4:50 utc | 42

Thanks, Fete. Here’s another, slighty OT. But excellent.
http://www.handelsblatt.com/meinung/kommentare/essay-in-englisch-the-west-on-the-wrong-path/10308406.html
[…]
Newspapers we thought to be all about thoughts and ideas now march in lock-step with politicians in their calls for sanctions against Russia’s President Putin. Even the headlines betray an aggressive tension as is usually characteristic of hooligans when they ‘support’ their respective teams.
The Tagesspiegel: “Enough talk!“ The FAZ: “Show strength“. The Süddeutsche Zeitung: “Now or never.“ The Spiegel calls for an “End to cowardice“: “Putin’s web of lies, propaganda, and deception has been exposed. The wreckage of MH 17 is also the result of a crashed diplomacy.“
Western politics and German media agree.
[…]
Every mistake starts with a mistake in thinking. And we are making this mistake if we believe that only the other party profits from our economic relationship and thus will suffer when this relationship stops. If economic ties were maintained for mutual profit, then severing them will lead to mutual loss. Punishment and self-punishment are the same thing in this case.
Even the idea that economic pressure and political isolation would bring Russia to its knees was not really thought all the way through. Even if we could succeed: what good would Russia be on its knees?
[…]
This policy of running your head against the wall – and doing so exactly where the wall is the thickest – just gives you a head ache and not much else. And this considering that the wall has a huge door in the relationship of Europe to Russia. And the key to this door is labeled “reconciliation of interests“.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 6 2014 8:11 utc | 43

@ Demian comment 38:

US diplomacy’s preferred baseline year is 1991.

Thank you, you are absolutely right–in the moment I was simply thinking in terms of sheer area of freshly bombed real estate. 1991’s “End of history” was truly the geopolitical triumph Washington wanted to make permanent.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Oct 6 2014 11:35 utc | 44

Speaking on hubris, new NATO leader threat to intervene wherever NATO wants to.
http://rt.com/news/193404-nato-expansion-stoltenberg-russia/

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 6 2014 12:43 utc | 45

Nana2007 wrote re: “the reputedly hacked email account of a close associate of Ukie oligarch Kolomoisky concerning a little holocaust”
Further in the hacked emails:
*

2. September 13, 2014 15:37
Subject “Parasyuk”
Schlapak to Filatov:
“Damn it! What measures are you taking?”
3. September 13, 2014 15:57
Subject “Parasyuk”
Filatov to Schlapak:
“We are working on separatists. The most important is now that Poroshenko’s people don’t start developing this subject, otherwise we will be screwed.”

*
And sure enough, in this BBC article Filatov blames the disappearances of hundreds of Dnepropetrovskans on separatists (!):
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29503377

Posted by: Vintage Red | Oct 6 2014 15:59 utc | 46

why do the murcuns spent so much resources to patrol the malacca straits when zero us oil pass thru this water way ? [1]
pirates my ass !
*a huge fraction of China’s oil goes there. If we ever had to get them by the balls, this is where the US Navy would do it. We better have GREAT underwater surveys of this area, so we can better plant our listening devices and mines (and operate our attack subs). GO NAVY!*
[2]
obama says china has been hitching a free ride on murcun wot in iraq etc. [sic] and that murcuns are doing china a favor fighting ebola in africa [sic], so when is the usn gonna send a bill to xi jing ping for its escort service in the malacca straits ?
hehehe

Posted by: denk | Oct 6 2014 16:46 utc | 47

[1]
http://rt.com/usa/193328-navy-robot-patrol-boat/
[2]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1323707/posts

Posted by: denk | Oct 6 2014 16:53 utc | 48

Another leaked email from the same hacked batch as above:

4. September 13, 2014 14:15
Filatov to Levin:
“I think, you do not understand. If we stage a public thrashing, it will mean that we admit the fact of execution. We cannot commit that. There is an opportunity to lay the blame on vatniks (Literally “quilted jackets”, winter clothes for Soviet soldiers in WWII, and nowadays a derogatory term describing pro-Russians—edit.). We are going to use this opportunity. As of the citizenship… You know well whom to put a pressure on. The boss will be much obliged.”

All these are from: http://slavyangrad.org/2014/10/05/holocaust-in-dnepropetrovsk-style/#more-4117

Posted by: Vintage Red | Oct 6 2014 20:02 utc | 49

Turkish behavior re Kobani is reminiscent of the Soviets sitting outside of Warsaw while the SS crushed the Uprising. The blowback will be fearsome in this case.

Posted by: chuckvw | Oct 6 2014 22:57 utc | 50

Sorry for the OT. Meant for the sitrep post.

Posted by: chuckvw | Oct 6 2014 22:59 utc | 51

Interesting. Isn’t the US projecting power far beyond its borders by having military bases in over 130 countries?

Posted by: Enrique Ferro | Oct 7 2014 0:40 utc | 52

News, Ukraine
10/06/2014-21:49
Proshenko offers the parliament to pass a law of revised constituents of Lugansk region.
Cities beyond Lugansk Republic will be incorporated in other Ukrainian regions.

The representative of the President of Ukraine in the Supreme Rada (the Ukrainian parliament) Ruslan Knyazevich noted necessity of reviewing the issue, because certain parts of Lugansk region remain partially governed by the state authority. “To properly govern such territories, to guarantee functioning of their infrastructure, it is necessary to change borders of the Lugansk territories and join them with regions that we control.” – said Knyazevich.
According to him, the proposed law was discussed and is supported by all parliament factions and the speaker of the Supreme Rada.

Russian Spring
10/07/2014-00:20
Summary from fronts by combatant Prokhorov:

The heat has moved to Avdeevka.
The heat has started north of Volnovakha – near settlement Novotroitskoye.
The heat is near Novotoshkovki and Debal`tsevo.
Few soldiers from Donetsk airport arrived in Kirovograd – autos smashed (?)

Posted by: Fete | Oct 7 2014 4:01 utc | 53

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