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September 11, 2014

Ukraine: As Economic War Escalates, Fighting May Resume Soon

The ceasefire of Minsk between the Ukrainian coup-government and the federalists of east Ukraine was something both sides needed.

The Ukrainian army was on the verge of completely  loosing it. It was temporarily defeated and needed to rearm and reorganize. While the federalist insurgents were successful and probably able to continue their fight for a few days their forces were overstretched and needed to consolidate.

But many on the insurgent side did not like the ceasefire. It did not give them the federal autonomy they demanded. The neo-nazi "national-guard" battalions on the other side also criticized the ceasefire. They want the total destruction of their enemy and ethnic cleansing of all Russia-affine Ukrainians.

Russia had pressed for the ceasefire to avoid further sanctions. It was an offer to the "western" side to step back from the cliff of an economic war. Obama and NATO tried to sabotage the ceasefire through false claims of a Russian invasion and other propaganda. But the Ukrainian president had to ignore the pressure from Washington and Brussels or he would have lost another city, Mariupol, to the insurgents.

The main Russian reason to support the ceasefire, to hold back sanctions, has now vanished. Three days ago the EU, against the will of several of its members, decided on new sanctions on Russia:

The European Union adopted new sanctions against Moscow on Monday despite the leaders of Russia and Ukraine vowing to uphold a truce aimed at halting a devastating five-month war.
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In Brussels, the EU formally approved fresh sanctions against Russia but said they would not come into force for a few more days, effectively delaying the measures to see if the current truce will hold.

The truce held and despite that facts and its earlier claims the EU today announced that the new sanctions will be implemented immediately:

The European Union has agreed to impose further sanctions on Russia on Friday over its role in the Ukraine crisis, diplomats say.

The move is aimed at maintaining pressure on Russia, the sources said.

Russia says it is preparing a response "commensurate with the economic losses" caused by the EU sanctions.

This is another catastrophic and escalating EU move with regards to Ukraine and Russia. This turns the conflict into an economic war between the EU and Russia in which no side can win. Only the United States and China will profit from it. 

Additonally Poland had the crazy idea of supplying gas which it purchases from Russia to Ukraine which is not willing or able to pay for direct deliveries from Russia. This is a breach of contract as the deliveries from Russia to Poland are not allowed to be resold to other Russian gas customers. Russia allegedly responded by lowering the volume of gas it supplies to Poland and Poland immediately folded and stopped the reverse gas flow to Ukraine:

Russia’s OAO Gazprom limited natural gas flows to Poland, preventing the European Union member state from supplying Ukraine via so-called reverse flows.

Polskie Gornictwo Naftowe i Gazownictwo SA, or PGNiG, got 20 to 24 percent less fuel than it ordered from Gazprom Export over the past two days and is compensating flows with alternative supply, the company said today in an e-mailed statement.

Poland halted gas supply to Ukraine at 3 p.m. Warsaw time today, according to Ukraine’s UkrTransGaz.

We can be not sure that this is the whole story though. Gazprom says it provides all the gas Poland ordered through its pipelines but hints that Ukraine, where those pipelines cross, may be the party which is taking the gas:

Russia has denied that its state-run gas giant Gazprom has been limiting flows to Poland.

"Reports by news agencies on the reduction of volumes of gas supplies by Gazprom to Poland's PGNiG are incorrect,” Itar-Tass reported Gazprom spokesman Sergey Kupriyanov as saying. “The same volume of gas as in previous days – 23 million cubic meters a day – is being supplied to Poland now."

Before Gazprom issued its statement, Uktransgaz’s Prokopiv blamed Russia for trying to “derail” the plan for Poland to supply Ukraine with “reverse” gas, while Ukraine refused to pay its debt to Gazprom and is currently cut off from Russian supplies, and accused Russia of limiting the supply of gas.
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In August, Russia’s energy minister, Aleksandr Novak, warned that in the upcoming winter Ukraine may begin siphoning off Russian supplies intended for Europe if it fails to build up its reserves.

There is more conflicting news. The Ukrainian president Poroshenko claimed that most of the "Russian troops", which no one, including the OSCE observers in the area, has ever seen, have left Ukraine:

“Based on the latest information I have received from our intelligence services, 70 percent of the Russian troops have moved back across the border,” Poroshenko said. “This bolsters our hope that the peace initiatives enjoy good prospects.”

NATO, likely fearing that Poroshenko was again moving towards a peaceful solution, disputed the claim:

"The reported reduction of Russian troops from eastern Ukraine would be a good first step, but we have no information on this. The fact of the matter is there are still approximately 1,000 Russian troops in eastern Ukraine with substantial amounts of military equipment and approximately 20,000 troops on the Russian border with Ukraine," the NATO military officer said.

Push, push, push for war ...

But some parts of the "western" media are slowly waking up to the fact that not all is well with Ukraine and the "western" strategy. They note that Ukraine can not afford the IMF's 'Shock Therapy' and needs money without conditions which it will likely never pay back:

Absent this "bail-in" of foreign creditors, Ukraine will simply be taking on more debt that it lacks the capacity to service, risking a long-term compound debt spiral for the country and practically guaranteeing a wholesale default down the road -- and continuing political instability.

After months of ridiculing anyone who pointed to neo-nazis within Ukraine's regime and military forces as "Putin lover" reports about those neo-nazis now pop up in several "western" media.

Russia best reason to hold the insurgents in east Ukraine back from further fighting has vanished. The economic war is escalating no matter what Russia does or does not do. As the media have more time to look into the real issues in Ukraine the state of the sorry affair will become more clear and "western" public support for Ukraine will decline. This is a threat to "western" warmongering and to again escalate to fighting is the best method to suppress such news.

Hawks on both sides now have reason to restart the fighting. Expect the ceasefire to completely fail very soon.

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b. you forget winter. There will be no more fighting.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 11, 2014 2:08:31 PM | 1

somebody - thanks for your posts on the last thread.

thanks b.

b quote "This turns the conflict into an economic war between the EU and Russia in which no side can win. Only the United States and China will profit from it."

the way i see it, this is first and foremost an economic war.. the financial empire (under the guise of the usa) are pissed at russia's independence and strength.. they want to isolate it economically and pillage it.. ukraine is an important wedge between russia and the rest of europe. the usa rightly sees how creating havoc in ukraine will create greater havoc with it's neighbours.

war has always been about money. no matter how it gets justified, that is my simple view on it. someone wants something and they will use war to get it.

the ugly state of capitalism is on display for anyone interested. their is no 'trickle down' effect.. the end phase of capitalism is what we are witness to now. capitalism is like a rabid dog at this point, seeking to devour whatever it can find.. no alternative economic systems can be tolerated.. it is a unipolar, not a multipolar world that the usa is aiming for with it's view of exceptionalism.. i hesitate to say it is the usa, as i mostly see them as a front for the financial empire that demands full obedience to it's demands. russia hasn't played along and must be punished by the logic of this.

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2014 2:28:41 PM | 2

[typo-alert]

Hey, b, I really hope that you are not willing to pay Uki's IMF debt ;)

Posted by: citizen x | Sep 11, 2014 2:29:48 PM | 3

Thanks b


"western" public support for Ukraine will decline

It must be time for another one of those false flag things. May a good old fashion beheading that seems to have worked well in Syria. I guess shooting down the airliner wasn't enough for Amerikas crazies or their Nazis puppets.

James your last 2 sentences nails it. The Amerikan system is so corrupt it hard to figure out were to cut off it's head or heads. Sad days ahead for those of us that live here.

Posted by: jo6pac | Sep 11, 2014 2:37:06 PM | 4

1 somebody

(Winter) Thats interesting, I guess the junta benefits from that more than the rebels though.

Posted by: Anoynmous | Sep 11, 2014 2:44:10 PM | 5

Posted by: Anoynmous | Sep 11, 2014 2:44:10 PM | 5

Not really. Kiew needs gas.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 11, 2014 2:55:21 PM | 6

sanctions, shmanctions = no big deal

--Restrictions on Russia's access to EU capital markets have been strengthened. EU nationals and
companies may no more provide loans to five major Russian state-owned banks.--China is just down the street, and there is the new BRICS bank.
--trade in new bonds, equity or similar financial instrum ents with a maturity exceeding 30 days, issued by the same banks, has been prohibited.--ditto
--certain services necessary for deep water oil exploration and production, arctic oil exploration or production and shale oil projects in Russia may no more be supplied. --Russia doesn't need deep water oil and shale oil, and can do without "certain services."
-- the ban on exporting dual use goods and technology for military use in Russia has been extended to also include a list of nine mixed defence companies that must not receive dual use goods from the EU.--So they incorporate new companies. Get some advice from ally Iran, it's good at dodging sanctions.
--24 persons will be added to the list of those subject to a travel ban and an asset freeze. The legal basis has been widened to allow imposing asset freezes and travel bans on persons or entities conducting transactions with separatist groups in the Donbass region. --OMG.

The EU sanctions doc is here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 3:12:49 PM | 7

One gets the sense that the EU ministers are holding their noses and taking US-ordered feeble action reluctantly, sanctions that can only hurt EU countries.

Statement by the President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy on further EU restrictive measures against Russia

The set of measures adopted on Monday will enter into force on Friday 12 September 2014.

At the same time, it is my understanding that the Permanent Representatives Committee (COREPER) before the end of the month will carry out a comprehensive review of the implementation of the peace plan on the basis of an assessment carried out by the European External Action Service (EEAS).

We have always stressed the reversibility and scalability of our restrictive measures. Therefore, in the light of the review and if the situation on the ground so warrants, the Commission and the
EEAS are invited to put forward proposals to amend, suspend or repeal the set of sanctions in force, in all or in part.

It is expected that the Council will consider these proposals urgently with a view to take action if appropriate.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 3:16:05 PM | 8

I think the arctic oil is the issue

In the meantime, however, despite the previously imposed sanctions, US oil giant ExxonMobil and Russia’s Rosneft continue their joint exploitation of the Russian Arctic, and last month began drilling a $700 million Universitetskaya-1 well in the Kara Sea that may hold 9 billion barrels of crude, equating to $894 billion.

Exxon currently owns drilling rights across 11.4 million acres in Russia, after it signed a $3.2 billion exploration pact in 2011. “We are assessing the situation,” Alan Jeffers, an Exxon spokesman, told Bloomberg. “We always follow the law.”

The Royal Dutch Shell Plc ventures in Russia may also be affected. “We are continuing to review the latest sanctions to assess the potential impacts on our business, and engaging with the respective authorities to gain further clarity,” Kayla Macke, a Shell spokeswoman, told the publication. “We are taking action to ensure we comply with all applicable sanctions or related measures. We’re keeping the situation under close review.”

BP is also worried about the prospects of its 19.75 percent ownership stake in Rosneft – the biggest direct foreign investment in Russia. “We will look at any new sanctions and we will of course comply with all applicable sanctions,” Toby Odone, a spokesman for BP, told Bloomberg.

Other European oil companies that may suffer if the new sanctions are introduced include French Total SA, and Norwegian Statoil ASA.

It will make Russia too damn rich.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 11, 2014 3:26:47 PM | 9

somebody

Ukraine have gas, but I was thinking about the battles.

Posted by: Anoynmous | Sep 11, 2014 3:28:16 PM | 10

To the moony man,

Thanks for such a thorough overview of the current situation. Poor Ukraine, caught between the neo-cons/NATOcrats and old Mother Russia, which won't allow the neo-cons ambitions to sack and pillage Russia's enormous resources. Wonder if you have any inklings into the positioning of the different parties in the Ukraine vis-a-vis the upcoming elections. Any chance the Ukraine can regain some footing and make sense of the mess it has been pushed into by the Kaganate of Nuland?

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Sep 11, 2014 3:31:35 PM | 11

the upcoming elections. Any chance the Ukraine can regain some footing and make sense of the mess it has been pushed into by the Kaganate of Nuland?

No. By now Kiev and its bureaucracy is infested with the neo-nazis. The communist party, 13% in the last election, and Yanukovich's party have been purged. The pro-Russian opposition is no longer able to exist in a political "legal" form. Any election under these circumstances is a sham with a known outcome.

Posted by: b | Sep 11, 2014 3:43:31 PM | 12

Exxon: “We always follow the law.” -- Sure. Like Nixon, they are not crooks.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 3:49:52 PM | 13

No. By now Kiev and its bureaucracy is infested with the neo-nazis. The communist party, 13% in the last election, and Yanukovich's party have been purged. The pro-Russian opposition is no longer able to exist in a political "legal" form. Any election under these circumstances is a sham with a known outcome.

Thanks, b. Yet another U.S. created human tragedy.

Posted by: Lone Wolf | Sep 11, 2014 3:52:58 PM | 14

news report:
The China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) is expanding its Russia presence -- it holds 20 percent in an LNG project planned for the Arctic Yamal peninsula by Russia's Novatek Group and France's Total -- and is working with Rosneft on oil deposits in East Siberia.

This week Putin offered China a stake in the huge Vankor oil field -- considered one of the most valuable in east Siberia. "If concluded, this deal would represent a major change," the Eurasia Group consulting firm said in a report on Wednesday.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 3:53:33 PM | 15

Excellent post, b. Medvedev promised the other day that if the EU went ahead with another round of sanctions Moscow would ban European airlines from using Russian airspace. Medvedev predicted many bankruptcies for Western carriers as a result.

At some point U.S./EU has to be made to feel some pain for all their belligerent folly. Let's hope Russia gets down to business now. It is high time.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Sep 11, 2014 3:53:36 PM | 16

- Higher prices for the Ukraine were actually long overdue. The low gas prices didn't provide an incentive for ukrainians to invest in more energy efficient production & consumption. W.-Europeans are paying top dollar/euro prices for russian natural gas and forced them to invest in more efficient production & consumption.
- Is there a rift developing between Poroshenko and NATO ? Is Poroshenko getting second thoughts ??
- Putin: "I can take Kiev in two weeks".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11069070/I-can-take-Kiev-in-two-weeks-Vladimir-Putin-warns-European-leaders.html

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 11, 2014 3:54:32 PM | 17

Posted by: Anoynmous | Sep 11, 2014 3:28:16 PM | 10

I doubt, Ukraine has enough gas for winter. I also doubt the Ukrainian army is equipped for
winter war.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 11, 2014 3:55:30 PM | 18

@13 don... exxon valdez my ass..

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2014 4:07:43 PM | 19

President Obama announces new sanctions.

The international community continues to seek a genuine negotiated solution to the crisis in Ukraine. I encourage President Putin to work with Ukraine and other international partners, within the context of the Minsk agreement and without setting unreasonable conditions, to reach a lasting resolution to the conflict.

One marvels at the man's brazenness.

Posted by: Martin Finnucane | Sep 11, 2014 4:13:23 PM | 20

I am an immigrant from Russia and have relatives both in Russia and Ukraine (yes, the East, different parts but all Russian speaking). It deeply saddens me to see how hating neocons leads some otherwise sane people to support our common enemies. Besides, even if it were only neocons who support Ukraine, it's just not wise to presume that EVERYTHING neocons do is and will always be wrong. I can definitely assure you that terms like "coup-government" and "neo-nazi" are much more applicable to modern Russia than to Ukraine.

Posted by: Jane Rand | Sep 11, 2014 4:34:02 PM | 21

@ anonymous @ 5

How ?? How could you possibly arrive at that conclusion ?? Unless Russia shuts off the aid to Novorussia completely (unlikely they share a porous border) and unless Europe (who may be facing their own shut off notice) figure out a way to supply Ukraine (Poland's gambit failed miserably and no one else has tried) its going to be a long a frozen winter in the glorious and "civilizationally Europeans" homeland of Ukraine. Since they belong to the superior "European" master race I'm sure they'll figure it all out..

Posted by: Marc | Sep 11, 2014 4:47:35 PM | 22

Russia's Putin will eventually win, there will be a non-Nato federated Ukraine, Russia will of course retain Crimea, and Obama will take credit for it all. (I know I shouldn't be predicting future events, but this seems so certain.)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 4:50:44 PM | 23

@B:

Mounting evidence that Poroshenko and his clique are in danger of being overthrown by a "Nazi" Coupe ? Supported by the Neo-cons & NATO ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 11, 2014 4:51:05 PM | 24

Correction:

@B:

Mounting evidence that Poroshenko and his companions are in danger of being overthrown by a "Nazi" Coup d'etat ? Supported by the Neo-cons & NATO ? Is there going to be a second "putsch" in Kiev ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 11, 2014 4:53:12 PM | 25

@Jane Rand #21:

Hating Russia is quite common among recent immigrants from Russia. Masha Gessen is an example. She has called for the US to remove Putin with a coup:

There are many differences between Putin today and Milosevic 15 years ago, all of which boil down to the fact that Putin is a lot stronger and harder to remove—all the more reason for the U.S. to put its best minds to work on helping Russians accomplish just this. It may be our only chance of righting the course of history.
Igor Strelkov held a small press conference today which gives a good impression of what non-traitorous Russians think of Putin and the significance of the fascist coup in Kiev: it was part of a long-standing US plan to destroy Russia.

Strelkov press conference translated and subtitled

Posted by: Demian | Sep 11, 2014 4:59:53 PM | 26

somebody / marc

If the army isnt prepared, you can guess they are atleast better prepared than the rebels/civilians for the winter period.

Posted by: Anoynmous | Sep 11, 2014 5:38:02 PM | 27

Demian

I think its time to celebrate the beauty of Gessen.
http://dvqlxo2m2q99q.cloudfront.net/000_clients/68532/page/697500jw3xpu.jpg

Posted by: Anoynmous | Sep 11, 2014 5:38:38 PM | 28

The US keeps pushing their EU vassals to put increasing economic pressure on Russia. NATO increases its threats. Unless cooler heads contain the hotheads in the West this will lead to war between NATO and Russia. The US assumes it will impoverish Europe and Russia like WWII.

The US may think it will prosper after another war in Europe but if the war gets hot enough (like nuclear) nobody wins; we all lose.

Posted by: Arius | Sep 11, 2014 5:53:12 PM | 29

@26 demian.. thanks. his talk is quite disturbing in many ways. and, i don't think it is far from the reality either.. 'ulcer bleeding at russia's border' is an apt description..

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2014 5:55:30 PM | 30

#1 you forget winter. There will be no more fighting

Are you suggesting that the Russians can't fight in the winter? The French and the Germans probably wouldn't agree.

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 11, 2014 5:55:32 PM | 31

The oft repeated, "1000 Russian troops in Ukraine" by the west is on it's face, most reasonably a fact - the number 1000 merely a round figure.
I don't think even the Novorussians would dispute that there are 100's and perhaps a couple thousand soldiers from the Russian army (serving and/or veterans) that have joined volunteer units to defend the Russian, culture, language, people and historical roots (among many other reasons) in Novorussia.
The critical difference in the reading of the western message is the persistent accusation that Russia is directly controlling this aspect of the war, and therefore must be punished with sanctions and NATO threats. This is not logical, but rather a projection of western operating procedures onto the Russians. The west, especially the USA is frequently found to be projecting when it starts pointing fingers and hyperventilating. Whether, Russia or ISIS, the need to spell out a plot in a cartoonish fashion is classic american hollywood BS at work.
What does this non-sensical logic have to say about European countries that also have volunteers fighting alongside Russians in Ukraine?...nada!
This is the inherent problem when confronted with the 'good-guy vs bad-guy' false dichotomy - all logic breaks down when the 'good-guy' starts acting like a 'bad-guy' (deposing governments and terrorising/murdering populations), and even when a 'bad-guy' appears to be doing 'good-guy' things (giving humanitarian assistance, sheltering refugees). The world cannot be understood as a comic book. Fantasies of always good, good-guys and always evil, bad-guys are for children and fools...welcome to the mind-set of the west!

Posted by: spinworthy | Sep 11, 2014 6:08:13 PM | 32

Anonymous @ 28: thanks for the Gessen photo. Chilling. There is a certain resemblance with Ayn Rand.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Sep 11, 2014 6:18:32 PM | 33

@23

Negotiations continue on the disqualifying of Ukraine for NATO membership to overlook....disputed borders. They have stiffed Georgia for reasons yet to be revealed.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Sep 11, 2014 6:20:34 PM | 34

'There is more conflicting news. The Ukrainian president Poroshenko claimed that most of the "Russian troops", which no one, including the OSCE observers in the area, has ever seen, have left Ukraine'

this is because they are using Romulan cloaking devices!

Posted by: brian | Sep 11, 2014 6:20:46 PM | 35

33;Maybe Jane Rand too.Gessen looks like a Jewish lesbian.Wacko willing to go to war and kill millions for gay rights.Sodom and Gomorrah attitude,didn't they also hate the faithful?

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 11, 2014 6:33:22 PM | 36

In February I honestly believed that Obama and Kerry did not want a crisis in Ukraine, it looked like they just happened to get sucked into another unwanted crisis because they let the neocons inside State run amok. It seemed clear that they had enough problems in Syria, Iran and Libya to not want to complicate things elsewhere. In addition, it looked like the US was seriously interested in the pivot to Asia and were seeking a confrontation with China. I assumed they would quickly accept some kind of quick settlement with Russia.

However, my position seems completely wrong. The US is now pushing for a major confrontation with Russia. And for reasons that are hard to understand we are forcing the EU to join even though it will definitely hurt Europe. That I do not understand. Why would Europe join the US in another adventure in Ukraine? Even while the Libyan, Syrian and now Iraqi crises is spinning out of control? Why would the US let this happen even with all of those problems?

Maybe at some level Obama and Kerry realize that they have lost influence in all of those countries (including China) and somehow think they can now make up for it by defeating Russia over the Ukrainian crisis. That looks even more insane. Are we witnessing the desperation of he world's only hyper-power in its terminal decline?

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 11, 2014 7:24:52 PM | 37

"In February I honestly believed that Obama and Kerry did not want a crisis in Ukraine, it looked like they just happened to get sucked into another unwanted crisis because they let the neocons inside State run amok"

Obama loves golf. 'Nuff said on that. As to overarching matters over which they don't seem to have any semblance of control ; it's because they don't have control.

Since the National Security Act of 1947 POTUS has been a symbolic throne of power. He has as much control as Queen Elizabeth or the Pope. Yeah they can get some good press by kissing babies and making profound declarations of their commitment to human rights, but those words and a buck-fifty will get you on the metro to the end of the line; no further.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Sep 11, 2014 7:31:51 PM | 38

@13

Exxon: “We always follow the law.” -- Sure. Like Nixon, they are not crooks.

Not so difficult to follow the law, when you make the law.

The management of Deep Water Horizon Fiasco stands as a testament to who makes the "laws".

BP told the governments to stay out of their affairs. The governments heeded that request.

BP intentionally kept the "spill" open and flowing so they could tap it more easily later.

BP dumped vast amounts of Corexit (whatever that is) into the gulf.

Then Obama "fed the tainted shrimp" to his daughters on tv.

Small fine to keep up appearances and they were back in profit city in no time. See also Free Drilling on public lands. Like Dubya, Obama waives the royalty payments owed the government.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Sep 11, 2014 7:34:38 PM | 39

That I do not understand. Why would Europe join the US in another adventure in Ukraine?

It appears that Continental Europe has succumbed to the Anglo-Saxon model of financial interests being dominant. Thus, Sergei Lavrov gives the answer to your question in an interview I linked to yesterday:

The world is changing, the share of the United States and Europe in the global GDP is shrinking, there have emerged new centers of economic growth and financial power, whose political influence has been soaring accordingly. As concerns economy, there seems to be growing awareness of that. … A really tough struggle is underway for keeping unchanged the state of affairs in which the Western civilization determines the shape of the world order. This is a faulty policy with no chances to succeed, objective processes are developing in opposite direction. The world is getting really polycentric. China, India, Brazil, the ASEAN countries, Latin America and, lastly, Africa – a continent with the richest natural resources – all begin to realize their real significance for world politics. There will be no stopping this trend. True, it can be resisted, and such attempts are being made, but it is really hard to go against the stream. This is the cause of many crises.
The underlying cause of both world wars was the emergence of Germany as a power that overtook Britain economically. The anglosphere fought two world wars to maintain its domination over the world. The present crisis is being produced for the same reasons. European elites are instinctively Atlanticists, seeing their interests as being aligned with those of the Empire. Of course, the interests of the European 99% are aligned with those of Russia.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 11, 2014 7:48:31 PM | 40

A lot of people in the EU have learned that it's like a bear trap, once you're in, you're fucked.

Posted by: Crest | Sep 11, 2014 8:00:44 PM | 41

The ground-breaking Intercept has been beaten to print on the Yahoo escapade. They are just followers.

Posted by: Ben Franklin | Sep 11, 2014 8:33:34 PM | 42

@37 toivoS quote: "Are we witnessing the desperation of he world's only hyper-power in its terminal decline?" as i said @2 "..i mostly see them(the usa) as a front for the financial empire that demands full obedience to it's demands. russia hasn't played along and must be punished by the logic of this."

i think the usa is a hyper-power in decline. the parallel demian offers @40 is a good one.

does the planet continue with greater inequality between those who have and those who haven't? is this a recipe for long term stability on the planet? is it a recipe for a more extreme or fanatical response that requires more of the same to resolve these differences? some seem to think so. the pot getting hotter while those inside figure it out is what is happening now.. how do you turn the heat down? seems like someone wants to turn it up. that would be those who are presently in control of much..

why bother with a facade of working things out thru international law when the law is ignored regularly by the same country regularly? colour revolutions, with ngos, foriegn gov't pressure and etc. etc. are one way around this.. if that doesn't work, find a way to start a war, or consider bombing a transnational enemy - isis - to justify ignoring international law.. say 'fuck you to the un' if you can't get your way.. all of this and more is the tactic of a bully by the name of usa..it's getting worse.. ukraine/syria are the latest examples headed for failed state status, along with the other foreign policy adventures of the usa/nato - iraq, and libya, most recently.. now they want to turn ukraine/syria into the same mess. russia has tried to put the brakes to much of this.. long term, they are temporarily distracted here, but will be doing the same to iran.. they continue to try..

the failed empire seeks to turn any alternatives into a failed state.. might makes right.. financial power is the god they pay homage to, and bullying equates with praying to the same god..

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2014 8:39:41 PM | 43

Komsomolskaya Pravda has an interesting article on MH17:

German Foreign Ministry: The Malaysian Boeing was most likely not shot down by a Buk (in Russian)

The report draws the reader's attention to answers that were provided by the Foreign Ministry to questions posed by Bundestag members from the Left Party. This especially is of interest:

What information does the Federal government and/or the intelligence community have with regards to radar or other activity relating to rocket installations on 17 July 2014?

Based on information available to the Federal government, one can draw no certain conclusions concerning the deployment of any antiaircraft warheads against the airliner (MH17).

In response to another question, the ministry says that AWACS detected radar emissions from one Buk system. This is the first I hear of this from a Western source. It is consistent with what was said at the press conference given by the Russian defense ministry.

It's interesting that the Russian press is reporting this very interesting document produced by the German foreign ministry, but the German press isn't, AFAIK.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 11, 2014 8:40:48 PM | 44

the problem is to realize that all the conditions are part of a set of waves that I think it is reasonable to presume are put in motion by the leading financial players
recommend the Strelkov statement etc. for local reality
people have to be serious

Posted by: Jay M | Sep 11, 2014 8:51:44 PM | 45

Posted by: Demian | Sep 11, 2014 7:48:31 PM | 40

Lavrov's statement makes total sense to me. But it does not answer the question I posed: Why would Europe join the US in another adventure in Ukraine? I am aware the people like John Majors and Blair have become wealthy because they turned UK national interests over to the US it still does not make sense to me that every European country have sold out. There must be some European leaders that still have their national interests in mind.

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 11, 2014 9:09:59 PM | 46

@46

' There must be some European leaders that still have their national interests in mind. '

Can you point to any? There must be a tooth fairy and a santa claus?

I think it must be the insiders' fear of imminent financial collapse of the West. What else could make such stupid decisions make any kind of 'sense' at all? Use the Wehrmacht ... while they still have one. For they see certain economic collapse if they don't, and a once-again postponed day of reckoning if they do. And, maybe, they personally won't be killed in WW III.

Posted by: john francis lee | Sep 11, 2014 9:37:47 PM | 47

NATO is an undermocractic an organisation as they come, free of any public oversight while using public monies...so NATO persons can make bogus claims:
'The fact of the matter is there are still approximately 1,000 Russian troops in eastern Ukraine with substantial amounts of military equipment and approximately 20,000 troops on the Russian border with Ukraine," the NATO military officer said.
'
that go unchallenged. #shame on europeans

Posted by: brian | Sep 11, 2014 9:38:20 PM | 48

@46 The EU is structurally weak, and there are no popular leaders within the nation states. Without single women voting in solidarity with Merkel, she would be gone if she was a man, and many of the center right governments are only there because the former nominal left parties can be described as trans-elitist corporatists. Hollande is just a loser who rose because scandal and defeat to Sarkozy knocked out other "lefty" candidates. Italy is still Italy. Does Belgium have a government yet? The PIIGS are where they are.

Between Euro racism which everyone likes to pretend was solved or not a problem and the inability of a Euro leader to act, the EU is stuck in a holding pattern.

Like American politics, everyone is waiting on Germany (much like the US President, it's so big it can undue work in a single speech), and Merkel is in a coalition government with members who won based on her coattails from single women voting in solidarity. Her party members are already planning on the next election without Merkel, and a second female candidate won't enjoy the novelty support Merkel has had. Merkel does NOT want to oversee a fallen government in Germany as an East German.

I know the NSA is a great refrain to all concerns, but who in Europe would dare to speak for Europe and then would be heard? De Gaulle wasn't a student council loser and amateur boot lick who rose because he was a friendly guy. Population, economics, and good ole fashioned racism give you the UK, a junior member of the EU and the Pentagon's puppet (half of Scotland wants to secede and those people think Doctor Who is high culture), France (Hollande is giving rise to Marie Le Pen), I think I made my case for Germany, Poland (insert joke), and Italy which hasn't been on the ball since before Septimius Severus. The rest are just are nothing micro-states unless they learn to act together.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 11, 2014 9:50:50 PM | 49

Reality has been bent for a while.
Great advert for Toyota on the wastes where Crassus seemed to dissappear.
The bent caliphate, I'm sure.

Posted by: Jay M | Sep 11, 2014 10:00:33 PM | 50

To Jane Rand @ 21 --


You puport that "it's just not wise to presume that EVERYTHING neocons do is and will always be wrong. I can definitely assure you that terms like "coup-government" and "neo-nazi" are much more applicable to modern Russia than to Ukraine."

I beg to differ on both points.

What have the neo-cons done right? Their dreams of remaking the Middle East into obedient clients of Washington and Tel Aviv (I still refuse to recognize Occupied Jerusalem as the capital) collapsed in the quicksand of the 2nd. Gulf War, and ISIS is pulling it down even deeper.

"Coup goverment" for the Russian Federation? Maybe Mr. Yeltsin's shelling of the Duma. The media control Washington affects to deplore is Yeltsin's creation. Yabloko and other parties have marginalized themselves. "Neo-nazi," for the survivors of the Great Fatherland War? Surely you jest.

Please put you head together with Cold N. Holefield (you'll find him easily enough, or he'll find you) and perhaps together you can defend his earlier assertion that somehow Stalin "subsumed" instead of defeated the Nazis.

Fascism is a reaction against the workers movement,using it as an epithet vs. politicians or states one dislikes is dishonest; it is used to inflame, not analyze. Russia today is hardly a paragon of democracy, but it's far from the levels of authoritarianism seen in numerous regimes Washington, and the neo-cons, support.

Ukraine's Banderaists are direct descendents of collaborators, so the qualifier of "neo" is unneeded. There assaults on Communists, even in the chambers of the Rada, is one clear proof. I believe others here have shown that workers and their defenders have been a key target of the Maidan coup.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 11, 2014 10:31:33 PM | 51

@ 38: "Since the National Security Act of 1947 POTUS has been a symbolic throne of power. He has as much control as Queen Elizabeth or the Pope. Yeah they can get some good press by kissing babies and making profound declarations of their commitment to human rights, but those words and a buck-fifty will get you on the metro to the end of the line; no further."

Yeah,maybe a little social latitude,but, not anything more.

Posted by: ben | Sep 11, 2014 10:34:01 PM | 52

@ToivoS #37
Why would Europe join the US in another adventure in Ukraine?

Because the US plays hardball with its "allies" to include whatever level of threats are necessary to make them fall in line, even when it's against their own national interests. That's what a 'world leader' does. It threatens others with terrible consequences for not obeying. It isn't a walk in the park. Then, to rub it in, it's called 'the coalition of the willing.'

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 11:11:28 PM | 53

@ Jane Rand #21
It deeply saddens me to see how hating neocons leads some otherwise sane people to support our common enemies.

I just passed this troll lightly. I seldom use the troll appellation. But in this case we have a homonym for Ayn Rand claiming that those of us "otherwise sane" readers who use our own reasoning power and facts to back our comments are lead merely by "hating neocons."

I see others have taken this troll seriously, which is a mistake IMHO. And I protest being labelled as otherwise sane.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11, 2014 11:20:39 PM | 54

Russian Spring

09/11/2014-23:58

Commentary form combatant Prokhorov:

The cessation of fire did not let sleep many citizens of Novorossia.

At 3 a.m. Ukrainians began the traditional armistice in suburbs of Donetsk. In retaliation, their positions in airport were subjected precision “Nona” (self-propelled mortar) rounds – 3 series of several rounds each. And for tanks gunning settlement Spartak, Ukrainian positions in Krasnogorovka were smashed by “Grads”.

In Verkhnyaya (Upper) Krinka smashed positions of the Ukrainian Military Forces; and near Maloorlovka mortars shelled a block-post of the occupants.

In south districts of Debal`tsevo skirmishes were through night.

All say the armistice will end September 12.


Posted by: Fete | Sep 11, 2014 11:35:58 PM | 55

Look at the Ukraine situation in the context of TTIP (and TPP): instead of a soft economic empire based on the US dollar as reserve currency - which is failing - instead you have an extranational legal framework by which the US and US corporations can directly affect other sovereign nations' internal laws. Argentina's vulture distressed debt hedgies are simply a test case.

The EU's member nations, however, have always been extremely sensitive to external pressure to open up their markets - in particular agriculture. They aren't going to accept TTIP without some external factor forcing them to.

The "Russian Threat" is one which the US evidently thinks can be used as the stick - one which the ISIS/Muslim threat cannot.

The battleground extends far beyond just the Ukraine.

And it is far from clear to me that this attempt to back into an American Commonwealth is going to succeed: the US just isn't the only game in town anymore. Ironically, it is many of the 2nd world nations/BRICS which have large monetary surpluses; the IMF/World Bank's ability to control via access to loans is thus significantly offset. Witness China's dipping of its US dollar reserves into Argentina...

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 11, 2014 11:39:29 PM | 56

To Don Bacon @ 51

First, let me say I've been enjoying your posts.

As you may have noticed, combating cheap Russophobia and anti-Sovietism is a particular bugaboo of mine, esp. as we embark on Cold War 1.5. Particularly conflating Soviets with the Nazis, whom they destroyed at Stalingrad. @ 21 too egregious, though I have lightened up on CDH.

And the Ayn Rand cult is so annoying, it's acolytes can't be given a free ride. I ploughed through the "Virtues of Selfishness," that was all I could stomach, it's blessed short compared to her novels of straw men and boilerplate.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 11, 2014 11:50:51 PM | 57

RT: Ukraine’s security service raids independent Kiev newspaper after report on SBU chief’s family

According to Guzhva, servers have been seized and the website has been put out of action. Guzhva said IT specialists have been trying to transfer all information to another server. However, Vesti.ua remained offline at the time of publication.

The SBU also has taken away all the newspaper’s documents, including employees’ work contracts.

The newspaper’s management said they don’t know what the reason for the raid was, but Guzha suggested that the move could have been linked to “two facts.”

“First of all, two days ago our newspaper issued a report about the head of SBU [Valentin] Nalivaichenko’s daughter, who rents an apartment in a prestigious neighborhood in New York. Second, this is the second raid on our newspaper in the past six months and again – during a presidential campaign,” Guzhva wrote.

Their Web site is back up: I'm impressed. Vesti is written in Russian, btw. I seriously doubt that there are any Ukrainian-language news Web sites that are not rabidly nationalistic. There simply is no reason for Ukrainians to use Ukrainian instead of Russian for anything serious unless they are virulently nationalistic.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12, 2014 12:39:51 AM | 58

There is something going on in US foreign policy that is just too nuts. A few years ago the US decided to 'pivot to Asia' which was without any doubt in anyone's mind a foreign policy to isolate China. This policy was directed to bringing in Japan, Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam and the usual American lackeys into some kind of anti-China coalition. Part of it was the Trans Pacific trade agreement (sans China). No sooner do we announce this policy but we (excuse me, the US govt) support the anti-Russian coup in Ukraine. Very sensibly the Chinese and Russians enter into an alliance of common interest. They also bring along with them South America, Africa and South Asia. For reasons I still do not understand, the US has convinced the EU and the "United Kingdom" to join us in this policy.

Obama is in the process of upending a policy that Richard Nixon put in place. I quess it no surprise that Kissinger is utterly appalled at what is happening right now. I happen to be on the radical end of the spectrum of US politics and I should be happy to see US imperialism suffer major set backs. But there is so many US own goals one can witness and wonder: What the hell is Obama trying to achieve? This has to end badly for the US empire.

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 12, 2014 12:48:36 AM | 59

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 11, 2014 9:50:50 PM | 49

Without single women voting in solidarity with Merkel, she would be gone if she was a man

This is not based on fact. Fact is, a majority of women in Germany traditionally vote conservative if there is a man on top or not. Actually this has been the case in Britain, too and probably all over Europe.

As German conservatives used to be the party of family values, single women are more likely to vote for other parties.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2014 1:06:21 AM | 60

@ToivoS #59:

By "Obama is in the process of upending a policy that Richard Nixon put in place", I take it you mean the "China card", playing Russia and China off against each other. Yes, that isn't going so well.

If you could give a link to Kissinger saying he is appalled by what Obama has been doing lately, that would be nice.

@somebody #60:

Thank you for defending German women. I find the idea that single German women vote for Merkel because she is a woman to be counterintuitive. Why should they vote for a right-winger? A woman voting for a woman because she is a woman strikes me as an obsession with identity politics, which is a specifically American affliction. Many "progressive" American women wanted Hillary Clinton to win the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, even though she is a rabid reactionary. And no doubt this will play a role in the next presidential election.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 12, 2014 1:29:51 AM | 61

@59

I think it's due to the fact that there is no one thing that answers to the name USG. There is the 98 lb. pound weakling, aka the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, who tries to please all the people who kick sand in his face - threaten not to deliver his Clintonesque 'pension' starting 21 January 2017.

He answers to everyone with money.

When the Kanganite Neocons say "Ukraine"
he says "Yessir!"

When the Global Domineers say "China"
he says "Yessir!".

When the Israelis say "Syria"
he says "Yessir!"

And so on,
and so on ...

Posted by: john francis lee | Sep 12, 2014 1:47:04 AM | 62

demian at #61

This is what I had in mind: kissinger

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 12, 2014 2:17:34 AM | 63

ToivoS #59 - "But there is so many US own goals one can witness and wonder: What the hell is Obama trying to achieve?"

I don't know that Obama is really running the show. There is something of a bipartisan consensus on US foreign policy, with differences limited to degrees of applied force. The 2002 AUMF regarding Iraq seemed to be the vote which asserted the "Empire", which was/is the notion of a singular hyper-power which in effect controls the entire planet. This remains US policy. Is it sustainable? That remains to be seen, but probably not - and was probably not a sustainable policy back in 2002 either. The EU sanctions decision today was just crazy - the fractures in the structure will now only accelerate. The people don't want this craziness, but the current political system, for whatever reason, cannot deliver anything but. Think Harry Lime's scorpion-frog story in the film The Third Man.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 12, 2014 2:21:12 AM | 64

Mike Maloney

Maybe there is a connection between rotten political views and rotten looks? :)
Just want to add another beauty to my theory: http://www.dailyslave.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/samanthapower.jpg

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 12, 2014 3:16:20 AM | 65

EU changes Ukraine association agreement according to Russia's objections - in German.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 12, 2014 2:21:12 AM | 64

The EU sanctions decision today was just crazy - the fractures in the structure will now only accelerate. The people don't want this craziness, but the current political system, for whatever reason, cannot deliver anything but.

I think Merkel fought very hard to get the sanctions this time, she will not be able to do it again. The EU desperately needs Russia to recall the ban on agriculture which amounts to something like 120 billion Euro.
Merkel tries a balancing act. If the US put on more pressure she will have to go one way or the other. This of course would end up in splitting the EU.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2014 3:23:28 AM | 66

The EU sanctions decision today was just crazy - the fractures in the structure will now only accelerate. The people don't want this craziness, but the current political system, for whatever reason, cannot deliver anything but.

jayc, it gets down to what Forte and others call "neoliberal globalization", what others call "corporatism", and I call fascism. Not only was the European Central Bank taken over by neoliberals, but every country in the EZ is now run by neoliberals. They don't only want to bust labor, they want corporations to take over govt - all of it. Merkel and her ilk are all NEOLIBERALS in capital letters. They don't give a shit for their people, just the 1%, like US.

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 12, 2014 3:25:07 AM | 67

Not sure the EU will offer the same to Donbass
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/110512/Business/Economy/EU-signs--mn-euro-grant-for-Egypt-job-creation.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Sep 12, 2014 5:05:46 AM | 68

The sham elections, if any, will be ‘won’ by what is now called the Poroshenko block. (following on from what b wrote at 12.)

somebody at 18: Ukr. has maybe 3 months of gas reserves, I have heard/read… But who really knows. Yats is worried though.

Winter will disadvantage both sides in different ways. The bare landscape (leaves off the trees) will be terrible for the separatists. I'm still cautiously optimistic though about some kind of de-escalation.

see also, sanctions:

US, EU to ban Exxon, BP and Shell from oil exploration in Russia – report (10 sept.)

http://rt.com/news/186816-oil-exploration-russia-sanctions/

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12, 2014 5:06:35 AM | 69

Bloodletting Lady Europe

"Only the United States and China will profit from it"

Nobody will profit from this except perhaps several thousand top war profiteers, and a few military careerists, and EU and NATO flunkies. The US is rapidly destroying whatever precious credibility it has left before the now almost incredulous and horrified world stage, and money coming in from other nation’s lost business is but a trickle in an austere bucket full of holes. What China gains in time and influence, it loses in business with the US. China badly wants stability to grow, and so will continue to throw away its hard earned cash, buying worthless US t-notes to ensure it.

“If the Empire will just dissolve gracefully, we will do everything possible to aid it.” This is what other countries are thinking, even as they come to understand that hope is not a policy. “Disarming” must become more than a party compliment; it must grow into a real and hard strategy, if it is to succeed and save the world.

But that is not what is happening -- the Empire, a wild bloodied beast, refuses to go gracefully. Rather, the Empire has been panicked into the desperate rear-guard action of a final play to regain its lost hegemony (which, by its very nature is a zero sum game), upon the surface of what is now a slowly deflating global balloon. Should the balloon deflate before a winner is declared, all will lose.

Several week ago, I detailed Merkel’s bloody body being impaled upon the ideological fence she was attempting to straddle. It seems NATO has finally mercilessly pulled her off and onto their side, in the nick of time, while there is still some life left in her much diminished political figure. Germany will lie with the devil for now.

European agriculture is dead -- planting decisions will have to be made in just five months time. They will have no export markets for a second year in a row. Concerns will merge and eventually be bought off by big agribusiness and GMO firms for pennies on the dollar. Hurray Syngenta! With no real home market to protect, ironically, subsidies to giant agribusiness will increase, as in the US.

And Toivo, yes, while I admire your honesty, you should realize by now that everyone is bought off. Everyone with real power, at least. Everyone to the last soul -- if they still have one, that is. If they refuse the blandishments of their betters, they are simply disappeared, as Denk details, or if they are lucky, only McKinney’ed. Buying off the entire political class of Europe could cost what, several billion a year in newly printed fiat dollars? (10,000 people x $1M/yr. = 10 B/yr., or 100,000 people x $100k/yr., or even more for far less, all = 10 B/yr.) The Empire doesn’t even blink at spending several hundred billion a year on prosecuting hot wars; so why should it leave anything to chance? With literally trillions in drug money (remember the first act after 9-11 was cornering the opium/heroin market in Afghanistan and then growing it exponentially, while protecting it with US forces), stolen money, QE money, arbitrage money, derivatives money, and all manner of funny money sloshing around in the pockets of those who own the world, why would they not own the one thing that is important, namely, power? The same logic goes for the media. True resistance only lies with the general population, which has been systematically ripped off to pay off those corrupted at the top. But we can keep waiting for the next glam/glib politician to save us if we insist on believing that hope is a pro-active policy, even after have been fleeced by the flim-flam man, Barak Obama.

Democracy, if she ever existed as more than a reified aspirational meme, intended to stand lithe and seductively clad in our imaginations beside her hallowed companion muses: Kalliope, Kleio, Thaleia, and Melpomene in flowing gowns of grace, has now become commoditized into another grungy, soul-less, chthonic, profit-making industry. Money is to be donated, ads are to be run, products pushed and sold, and everything, from beliefs in hope and change, to campaign hot dogs are to be consumed until sickness overtakes satiety and good sense.

If there are any Gods left to us after our modern day Demiurges have worked their monetary magic upon the power aspiring class, it is the rare soul who refuses to stay bought and silenced; the puppet who like Shakespeare’s jester-fool, against all odds, manages to talk sense to the senseless; or the proud and incorruptible general who stays loyal to his unbuyable leader, Assad. These, it should be obvious, are as rare and valuable as live oysters after the Deepwater Horizon spill.

It should be obvious by now that NATO and the banks function as one overweening hegemonic totalitarian force. Think tanks, too -- thus the formulation “Banks ‘n Tanks.” The propaganda system is like the emperor’s resplendent robes. (And only very few of us have the power to see through them.) Large traditional manufacturers, who once had some say, are now just the banker’s bitches. Much new technology, like cell phones, is ideological in nature, and hence, just a physical subset of the propaganda system. Only the energy giants have the capital, reach, power and vision to defy their governments.

Yet, much is going on deep below the surface, which we can’t see. There is a conflict of unprecedented dimensions raging among the elite in Europe. Atlanticists are fighting with Eurasianists for supremacy. The intellectual class is split. There are some small splits within the media. Those with the power of vision in Europe know that the old order is dying, and that the sooner they jump on the bus of the new order, the better they will be.

If there still exists a productive ownership class (a nationalist bourgeoisie) separate from the globalist finance class on top, then it must choose to go against its instincts and, to survive, ally with the working class to throw off their controllers -- otherwise there is no hope. The finance class is not interested in pan-Asiatic railroads they cannot finance and control, but Germany’s tool manufacturing industry should be. The nationalist elements within the military (the power behind Chavez’s unlikely rise, for instance) must be persuaded to break with their NATO trainers and paymasters.

But those are the elements which must unite to avert a World War: Nationalist and Eurasian elements of the bourgeoisie, big energy, the media, and the military, along with anti-austerity populist movements. Those are the configurations we should be supporting in a move towards a poly-centric world.

Then, and only then, is real change is possible. Populist movements alone are not strong enough these days. Their power, when threatening, is too easily sidetracked into schismatic identity movements, like Scottish independence, which refuse to address change of alignment as a core value. One might as well change ponies on a merry-go-round.

At the present, the NATO Atlanticists hold sway, while the other factions sit on the fence and watch. Are the Atlanticists being given enough rope to hang themselves? Must they prove their dominion in battle? There is always the problem of the battle escalating beyond control, perhaps due to an unexpected coup. Do the Eurasianists hold an unexpected trump card up their sleeve? And whom does Father Time favor?

As the snows of winter approach, Lady Europe lies helplessly passive to her fate -- almost somnolent, like a medieval patient upon the pure white sheets of her destiny. She is in that initial state that the poet Syvia Plath once described as “Stasis in darkness.” The cure of blood-letting has been prescribed by Dr. NATO, and the Nazi-bred leeches of war and austerity are to be affixed and stuck hard to her body. They will not be removed until complete submission is achieved. Are the Atlanticists monitoring the blood loss? Do they even care if the patient survives? After all, they have been planning to consume the remains regardless of what happens to the patient.

Is there any chance for the patient to miraculously come to her senses, and throw off those sucking the very blood out of her? Can she then escape from the sexual predations of the evil Dr. NATO? Could she then still have the energy to find the presence of mind within her, and run headlong into the warm awaiting arms of her betrothed (in a union foretold by propinquity), virile Asia -- in what promises to be a glorious marriage?

Ah, well, there is a true romantic in all of us geomancers, I guess.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 12, 2014 5:18:44 AM | 70

And for reasons that are hard to understand we are forcing the EU to join even though it will definitely hurt Europe. That I do not understand. - Toivos

Following on from Malloga (yes) and to put it in somewhat simplistic, potted geo-political terms:

The USSR was destroyed, and the US ‘won’ the cold war, and the world became uni-polar. US attention turned elsewhere. Putin managed to get Russia back on its feet in an unexpected and spectacular fashion, and its economic ties and collaborative partnerships, particularly with Europe, grew.

Putin then began putting Russia back on the map, on the world stage, which returned pride to the Russians, which then fed back into the leadership. The code word for this is he became ‘autocratic.’ Russia became a ‘normal’ country, entertaining relationships within the ‘international order / rules’ (say like Brazil) and its power, and potential, became visible once more. The Anglo world is riven with hate of Russia, it seems built into their genes, so this state of affairs was not bearable and at some point it became time to strike ‘the bear’ again. (Of course formented for decades, see partly below.)

Growing ties and alliances between a strong, stable Russia (not an impoverished, insecure, oligarch hell-hole) and Europe are extremely dangerous for the US. A European continent from Lisbon to Vladivostok with strong, cohesive relations between all the countries puts paid to US hegemony and world power - forever - and probably very rapidly too.

Therefore, the vital need to expand NATO to the East (which was bound to lead to the kind of clash we see now), and at the same time make absolutely sure that Europe realises, accepts its vassal status, an acts in accordance with it. We have a new entity now: from USuk (Iraq war) we have passed to USEU (Ukraine - and it is not a partnership.) The aim of the US is not only to drive a wedge between Europe and Russia (or to built a ‘wall’, isolating Russia, such as in the cold war) but to get them to fight each other, thus damaging, crippling if possible, both parties. (Economic war for now.)

The first to be instrumentalised in service of this aim was Ukraine (it was a good oppo and others pose a lot of problems), more specifically its Russophobic, fascist elements, which were brought to power; at the same time Ukraine was hazily or potentially brought into the EU. (European Association agreement, IMF, etc.) So now it is necessary to cast Russia as an aggressor, attacking a country that is ‘almost European / wants to be European’ etc. The Big Bear at the doors of Europe. China - that will have to wait...

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12, 2014 6:02:26 AM | 71

The US is rapidly destroying whatever precious credibility it has left before the now almost incredulous and horrified world stage

There is no such viable, independent "world stage" aside from the one created to underscore America's omnipresence in global affairs since WWII. In otherwords, America is the "world stage." It's the production. If you're not on it, you're in the audience watching. Some in that audience cheer and others heckle, but their reactions too are carefully crafted and/or elicited including the heckling, so in a sense I guess one could say the audience is also part of a dynamically interactive theater production in the spirit of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 12, 2014 6:07:17 AM | 72

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12, 2014 5:06:35 AM | 69
Sanctions - comic relief

Commission suspends emergency measures for perishable fruit and vegetables and will come forward with a more targeted scheme The European Commission has today suspended the emergency market measures for perishable fruit and vegetable markets (worth 125 million €) announced on August 18 in the wake of the Russian measures banning imports of certain EU agricultural products. There has been strong interest from the sectors concerned, but the scheme has to be closed due to a disproportionate surge in claims – for example where the figures submitted for some products are several times higher than the total EU average annual exports to Russia. In order to prolong the effectiveness of the emergency measures and still achieve the objective of stabilising the markets for these products in all Member States affected by the Russian embargo, the European Commission will come forward with a more targeted scheme in the near future, taking into account the experience of the past weeks. European Commission Dacian Cioloş stated: "The European Commission remains committed to support those producers who have suddenly lost an important market because of the Russian measures. I intend to present a new scheme in the coming days which is more targeted and efficient and which will continue on from this scheme."

And - I chose the most funny site - the pig site - search for "farmers protest Russia" if you want more

Is Europe’s Pig Sector Heading for Economic Catastrophe?

EU - The French meat processing sector has launched a fierce attack against the European Commission for doing nothing to support the pig sector during the present ban on exports to Russia.
The French meat industry organisation SNIV SNCP said the European Commissioner had announced support for the fruit and vegetable sectors and the dairy products sector last week, but had ignored the meat sector.
In an angry statement issued last week, the union of French meat companies said the European Agriculture Commissioner Dacian Ciolos had said the pig and meat sectors “are not affected by the crisis with Russia”.
However, the meat union said that the commissioner had ignored the fact that exports of pig meat to Russia reach 750,000 tonnes a year or 20 per cent of the total European pig meat exports.
France’s proportion of these exports is 75,000 tonnes worth €150 million.
The meat union said that the volumes that are not exported then weigh heavily on the domestic market impacting prices and in the last six months since the Russian ban was put in place, the price of pork has fallen 15 cents per kg – a loss of €15 per pig to each French farm or a total of €150 million to French farmers.
The meat union said the effect is mirrored in the slaughter industry where losses in France so far have reached €80 million because of the ban.
SNIV SNCP said that it and INAPORC could provide further evidence to the European Agriculture Commissioner about the heavy losses that are being incurred by the sector.
The organisation said that over the whole of 2014, the losses could reach €500 million for France and €5 billion for the whole of Europe.
French agriculture minister Stéphane Le Foll is expected to bring together representatives of the agricultural unions in France and other interested parties this week in preparation for an extraordinary meeting of agriculture minister on Friday in Brussels to discuss the ban.
SNIV-SNCP said: “There is urgent need to act if we are to avoid an economic catastrophe.”
The impact of the Russian ban is being felt across the European Union, with Polish farmers taking to the streets in protest last week following protests by Spanish farmers.
The secretary-general of the European agricultural union, Copa Cogeca, Pekka Pesonen warned: “Additional aid is needed to prevent the market spiralling out of control, causing further damage to the economy.”
He added: “In addition, the EU pig meat sector has being suffering for months from the ban and action must be taken to improve the situation.”

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2014 6:11:48 AM | 73

Can she then escape from the sexual predations of the evil Dr. NATO?

The only one who can save her is Captain Russia the rapist. She's caught between a rock and hard place. Increasingly, people are cheering for the hard place as if it's salvation or a viable alternative. Perhaps soon enough, they'll come to know what a hard place really is since many who pine for it have never truly known its travails.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 12, 2014 6:12:03 AM | 74

Therefore, the vital need to expand NATO to the East (which was bound to lead to the kind of clash we see now), and at the same time make absolutely sure that Europe realises, accepts its vassal status, an acts in accordance with it.

NATO is a defensive organization, not an offensive one. That's why anytime it's attempted anything preemptively offensive, it's a miserable failure. Russia knows this.

The former Soviet states are, and have been, clamoring to join NATO and Europe. They've run from Russia kicking and screaming. This has never been about The West foisting NATO on these states, it's been about these states begging to join NATO so they can ward off the vampire that is Russia that they know will come knocking once again as it always has.

And you know what, they're right. They should know — they're the ones who have lived in the terroristic shadow of Captain Russia the rapist all these abusive years — not you Communist-sympathizing darlings in The West.

This is not about NATO encircling Russia, it's about former Soviet states long suffocated by the smothering Iron Curtain finally taking steps to liberate themselves from the yoke of Russian totalitarianism for good. Obviously, Russia feels threatened because of this just as abusive parents feel threatened when their abused children are liberated from their abuse — they'll try everything in their arsenal to get them back, up to and including murdering the abused child.

Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down the wall. Obama, or the next President, needs to tell Putin to recycle the Iron Curtain he's taken out of storage and make razor blades for Schick and Gillette out of it. A symbolic act of goodwill would be to create a commercial where one of those razors is used to shave Dugin's infested beard and free the partridges caught in its folliculitis quagmire.

Putintown

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 12, 2014 6:33:03 AM | 75

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Kerry-Heinz already volunteered the 'full faith and credit of the American people' to repay the IMF loans to Ukraine, even though he must have known they will never be repaid by Kiev, and even though IMF must know they can only hope to collect interest-only FOREVER from USA, and that's fine with the IMF, it's not their money.

9

'May have'. Brazil only recently was supposed to be the 'New Saudi Arabia'. It takes a lot of suckers to drill a $700M ice pad.

31

The fighting will be over the gas supplies. America needs to keep the EU weak to prevent a breakout against the US$. Ukraine is a chokepoint, and handy for MIC war profiteering too, and handy to sanction Russian crude development, which threatens to flood the global oil market, the raisson d'etre for the Saudi-Qatari-funded ISIL Wehrmacht, and the real genesis of BushJr's Holy Oil Wars to destroy Saddam's $12 Buck Crude competition to KSA. The North Sea is fading. They have been breaking up their offshore rigs for almost a decade now. The last of the crude oil is in the Crescent from Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Kazakhstan to Russia.

70

"the Empire, a wild bloodied beast, refuses to go gracefully" is Marxist tripe. There is more money in circulation in the world now than in all of human history before it, and it is concentrated into a very few hands, as it has always been: 100 Familias. The Habsburgs. America will be methodically disenfranchised, evicted, and gentrified by H-1B immigrants, San Francisco being a perfect example, the Habs Everythings vers the Habs Nothings starving in the Outlands, the same as Moskva vers Siberia, if you know anything about their general population living standards. "virile Asia --" are you joking? Asia is an octogenarian and bankrupt, over-developed, over-leveraged, betting on the come, in a society that's been laddered up in credit debt for centuries, maxed out, where nothing moves except tourism pensions and Apple iPads, ...and both of those will disappear like the hoop skirt.

71

'Putin managed to get Russia back on its feet' the same way that Donald Trump managed to get Atlantic City back on its feet: Oligarchy. For the average Russian, as the average American, the view never changes.

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MoA reminds me of BoingBoing, a nihilistic need for the 'shiny new bauble' with a penchant for social science fiction of the most extreme, and refusal to accept reality that this was the exact same conversion in 2004 over Iraq, nothing changed; no effective action; twaddle.

Posted by: ChipNikh | Sep 12, 2014 6:38:44 AM | 76

Clear words from Lavrov's shop: Russian Foreign Ministry on the statement by the President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy on further EU restrictive measures against Russia

By taking this step, the European Union has made its choice against a peaceful settlement of the internal crisis in Ukraine, which all responsible forces in Europe should have supported instead.
That's a threat!

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2014 6:38:45 AM | 77

That's a threat!

What's the threat? That Russia will now officially invade Ukraine proper as opposed to unofficially and deniably? If so, I agree. And if Putin's Russia follows through with its threat, The West will have successfully snuffed out its expansionism, meaning it's cajoled Russia to finally be honest about its intentions and actions. The Trojan Horse hiding Russian Expansionism will finally be cracked open and its stealthy contents will be revealed in all its inglory.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Sep 12, 2014 6:49:20 AM | 78

MH17 suddenly resurfaces - after having been buried till next year

Dutch prosecutor most likely scenario


Police chief Patricia Zorko said detectives are poring over some 350 million web pages and thousands of photos and films that could contain evidence of the attack, and trying to verifying the authenticity of intercepted phone conversations.

A highly placed rebel officer told the AP in an interview after the disaster that the plane was shot down by a mixed team of rebels and Russian military personnel who believed they were targeting a Ukrainian military plane. Intercepted phone conversations between the rebels released by the Ukrainian government support that version of events.

Detectives and forensic experts also are looking at 25 metal objects recovered from bodies and wreckage to see if they can offer any clues.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2014 6:55:48 AM | 79

@71 Noirette:

Very good synopsis. I would only add some of negative (for the US) side effects of their actions:

*Driving Russia and China much closer together -- that's a real Bozo No No. US's Asian policy was predicated upon keeping the two great powers of Asia at each other's throats. (see Sino-Soviet split (1960–1989))
*Driving the Brics closer together, esp. India and Russia. US Central Asian influence greatly diminished.
*Russia and China competing with US for influence in S.A. - the US backyard. also Egypt, a biggie.
*Accelerating the rush to alternative global financial mechanisms, global media.
*Countries rush to learn how to defend against destab/CRs with some, and increasing success.

Then, I would add that US policy, as it loses influence, IS becoming more desperate, hysterical, and incoherent.
*Hence the rapid pivots back and forth (cycling before accomplishing objectives).
*Burning a lot of political capital in Europe in a very risky gambit. If the US fails to create an enduring schism between Europe and Asia, they are absolutely finished as global hegemon. (Although still the dominant global power)

Still, the US has had successes in the past years:
*Soft coups/more amenable gov'ts in: Thailand, Burma, Malaysia (at play again with the two plane destructions), Phillipines, Possible destabilization/color rev in Hong Kong. Coup in Honduras, Haiti under control. Venezuela seriously destabilized. Mexico/Columbia remain solid. Rwanda, Kenya, Zinbabwe moving in the right direction. South Sudan split. CAR and Congo solid.
*stolen wealth from libya

Longer term:
Up for grabs: Argentina
Expect: Nicaragua destabilization
*China/Russia will seek to break US high tech/social media monopolies, world will absolutely move away from Windows.
*Growing imbalance and anger between Germany and the rest of Europe. Expect at minimum some strong push-back. Southern tier could be first to gravitate towards Russia in response to public unrest over continued austerity policies.
*US at near max neo-liberalist policies. Little to no windfall profits from increased trimming. Increasing expenditures for social control.


Oh, and its “Malooga,” with two “o”s.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 12, 2014 7:18:15 AM | 80

"the Empire, a wild bloodied beast, refuses to go gracefully" is Marxist tripe. There is more money in circulation in the world now than in all of human history before it, and it is concentrated into a very few hands, as it has always been: 100 Familias.
Yes, but US loss of hegemony is still an important change.

MoA reminds me of BoingBoing, a nihilistic need for the 'shiny new bauble' with a penchant for social science fiction of the most extreme, and refusal to accept reality that this was the exact same conversion in 2004 over Iraq, nothing changed; no effective action; twaddle.
Except you were "loose shanks" back then. Still enjoy your fun writing though!

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 12, 2014 7:32:26 AM | 81

Malooga put it in an almost perfect way, however still no one can really see how All of this develop.
Personally in such cases I study the Holy Koran, which according to various interpretation says :

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=30

AND [remember, O Prophet,] how those who were bent on denying the truth were scheming against thee, in order to restrain thee [from preaching], or to slay thee, or to drive thee away: thus have they [always] schemed: but God brought their scheming to nought-for God is above all schemers. zoom
M. M. Pickthall And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters. zoom
Shakir And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners. zoom
Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah. zoom
Yusuf Ali (Orig. 1938) Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and God too plans; but the best of planners is God. zoom
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar And mention when those who were ungrateful plan against thee to bring thee to a standstill or to kill thee or to drive thee out. And they plan and God plans, but God is Best of the ones who plan. zoom
Wahiduddin Khan Remember how those who bent on denying the truth plotted against you to imprison you or kill you or expel you: they schemedbut God also schemed. God is the best of schemers. zoom
T.B.Irving Whenever those who disbelieve plot against you, to pin you down or kill you or exile you, they plot away while God is plotting too, and God is the best Plotter! zoom
[Al-Muntakhab] And remember O Muhammad how the infidels, with cleverness in circumventing, had recourse to stratagem tending to take you as prisoners and keep you in bondage or kill you, and in His plan did Allah also have recourse to stratagem, and who can gain advantage on Allah zoom
[The Monotheist Group] (2011 Edition) And the rejecters plot against you to arrest you, or to kill you, or to expel you. And they plot, and God plots, and God is the best of plotters. zoom
Abdel Haleem Remember [Prophet] when the disbelievers plotted to take you captive, kill, or expel you. They schemed and so did God: He is the best of schemers. zoom
Abdul Majid Daryabadi And recall what time those who disbelieved were plotting against thee to confine thee or to slay thee or to drive thee forth: they were plotting and Allah was plotting, and Allah is the Best of plotters. zoom
Ahmed Ali Remember, when the infidels contrived to make you a prisoner or to murder or expel you, they plotted, but God also planned; and God's plan is the best. zoom
Aisha Bewley When those who are kafir were plotting against you to imprison you or kill you or expel you: they were plotting and Allah was plotting, but Allah is the Best of Plotters. zoom
Ali Ünal And (recall, O Messenger,) how those who disbelieve schemed against you to take you captive, or kill you, or drive you away (from Makkah). Thus were they scheming, but God put His will into effect (and brought their scheme to nothing). God wills what is the best (for His believing servants) and makes His will prevail. zoom
Ali Quli Qara'i When the faithless plotted against you to take you captive, or to kill or expel you. They plotted and Allah devised, and Allah is the best of devisers. zoom
Hamid S. Aziz And when those who disbelieved plotted against you to detain you in bonds, or slay you, or drive you forth - they plotted, but Allah also plotted, for Allah is best of Plotters.....

Posted by: Sufi | Sep 12, 2014 7:44:13 AM | 82

@75

Putinland- Classic propaganda, in every sense, including imagery

Adhominem- Attack the person, ignore the facts

Demonization- Guilt by association including 'Reduce to Hitler'
Reductio ad Hitlerum

And buzzwords- You got buzzwords

I likely missed some,but, you didn't

Posted by: Penny | Sep 12, 2014 8:03:14 AM | 83

Posted by: b | Sep 12, 2014 6:38:45 AM | 77

I think it is a threat to take Mariupol. Russia used the "encirclement" that wasn't to pressure Poroshenko to the negotiation table.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 12, 2014 8:06:57 AM | 84

@73 What I find particularly amusing is France has been shirking EU agricultural rules all this time. French farmers won't find sympathy across borders.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 12, 2014 9:36:43 AM | 85


Mike Maloney, @16 wrote
"Medvedev promised the other day that if the EU went ahead with another round of sanctions Moscow would ban European airlines from using Russian airspace. Medvedev predicted many bankruptcies for Western carriers as a result."

Of course it was pointed out that Western countries would counter. But what if Russia only banned overflights by United, Delta, American and Continental PLUS all "foreign" flights carrying passengers on ticket codes originating with one of the companies just mentioned. You know - you book a flight with an American carrier and the the ticket code and the tariffs are theirs but the airplane and the pilots are Lufthansa and the fare is split between the two down the road.

This could drive a wedge between US whose airlines would be penalized and European countries which wouldn't.

Posted by: rackstraw | Sep 12, 2014 9:52:18 AM | 86

@75: Seriously? For some folks, I guess, ideology and rhetoric trump history/reality. But then hey, the pay might be good.

Posted by: ben | Sep 12, 2014 10:34:04 AM | 87

In August, Russia’s energy minister, Aleksandr Novak, warned that in the upcoming winter Ukraine may begin siphoning off Russian supplies intended for Europe if it fails to build up its reserves.

Shades of 2008-9, when the 'Orange Revolutionaries' began syphoning gas? That was about the time everyone in Europe got sick of Yushchenko and Tymoshenko and cut them loose.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Sep 12, 2014 10:38:10 AM | 88

@Demian (Sep 11, 2014 7:48:31 PM | 40):

Oceana is at war with Eurasia!
Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia!

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Sep 12, 2014 10:38:33 AM | 89

Malooga @ 70 said:

"Is there any chance for the patient to miraculously come to her senses, and throw off those sucking the very blood out of her? Can she then escape from the sexual predations of the evil Dr. NATO? Could she then still have the energy to find the presence of mind within her, and run headlong into the warm awaiting arms of her betrothed (in a union foretold by propinquity), virile Asia -- in what promises to be a glorious marriage?"

wow, you channelling Kathleen Woodiwiss or something? maybe they can even arrange a honeymoon down on the ole Chitarum River, 'cause by the looks of things that "glorious marriage" is being modeled after the thoroughly exhausted American-style throwaway culture. 'greener pastures' there may be, but they're already increasingly splattered with myriad humongous derelict landfills and expanding concentric ring-roads and highway systems choked with internal combustion engines and all the toxic emissions from the associated mining, refining, deforestation and distribution.

come to think of it, "glorious marriage" is the perfect, oxymoronic paean to unsustainability.

Posted by: john | Sep 12, 2014 10:49:55 AM | 90

@ somebody at 73, .. ha ha :)

The EU (not individual nations) is trying to ménager la chèvre et le chou - to manage the goat and the cabbage, meaning to reconcile contradictory interests, keeping the goat away from the cabbage. Typical: a lot of bureaucratic shuffling, weird discourse, hesitations, etc.

As for pork, Canada was a big exporter to Russia. The Canadians lost a 500 million market. (Number probably too low.) For ex.

Canadian agricultural exports to Russia rose 45 percent from 2009 to 2012 to C$563 million ($515 million), according to the latest government figures. Of that, 87 percent was pork.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-sanctions-hit-canadian-pork-191838871.html

Note the rapid expansion of exports. Canadians will just have to be patriotic and eat pork BBQ - oh wait what about chicken?

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 12, 2014 10:57:57 AM | 91

@91 noirette

I like the goat-cabbage analogy..funny and apropos.

Posted by: really | Sep 12, 2014 11:18:48 AM | 92

Nutbag poroshenko have called for emergency meeting, may be a rumour, just read it somewhere on twitter.
Anyone else knowing something about it?

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 12, 2014 11:35:48 AM | 93

"...KIEV: President Petro Poroshenko said on Friday (Sep 12) that the Ukrainian and European parliaments would meet on September 16 to jointly ratify an historic agreement pulling his country further out of Russia's reach.

Poroshenko also told an international conference in Kiev he hoped to secure a "special status" for Ukraine with the US during his visit to Washington next week when he will meet President Barack Obama and deliver a keynote address in Congress.."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/world/poroshenko-says-ukraine/1359342.html

Posted by: really | Sep 12, 2014 11:50:31 AM | 94

The fighting has never stopped..

Posted by: Marc | Sep 12, 2014 12:01:27 PM | 95

@ clodn @ 72

WAS, coldn. was...

Posted by: Marc | Sep 12, 2014 12:06:45 PM | 96

@ coldn @ 74

lol WHAT ?!!!

Posted by: Marc | Sep 12, 2014 12:08:41 PM | 97

Saker is reporting that there is a rumor of Srelkov death.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/short-news-update.html

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Sep 12, 2014 12:12:43 PM | 98

Ukraine is also reaching a "special status" regarding a reduction in its essential natural gas supplies from Russia. More here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 12, 2014 12:13:58 PM | 99

@70 malooga and @71 noirette.. thanks for those 2 posts. ongoing war seems inevitable.. the ceasefire will not hold.. it was a nice illusion while it lasted..

Posted by: james | Sep 12, 2014 12:18:49 PM | 100

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