Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
September 29, 2014
The (NED Financed) Hong Kong Riots

Some organized “student groups” in Hong Kong tried to occupy government buildings and blocked some streets. The police did what it does everywhere when such things happen. It used anti-riot squads, pepper spray and tear gas to prevent occupations and to clear the streets.

The “western” media are making some issue about this as if “western” governments would behave any differently.

The alleged issue in question is the election of new Hong Kong chief executive in 2017. According to Hong Kong’s basic law, which was implemented when Britain gave up its dictatorship over the colony, there will be universal suffrage – everyone will be allowed to vote – but the candidates for the position will have to go through some pre-screening by a commission. This is what China had promised and this is what the students, falsely claiming that China is backtracking from its promises, want to change.

Peter Lee aka Chinahand has an excellent piece on the issue at Asia Times Online. But Lee is making one mistake in that he does not consider outside influence:

Occupy Hong Kong decided to light it, starting with a class boycott and demonstrations organized by the Hong Kong Federation of Students. And, since I’m never afraid to mix a metaphor, the Hong Kong government poured fuel on the fire by pepper-spraying and teargassing it.

Who really “decided to light this”? To me the protests, and the “western” reporting about it, have the distinct smell not of tear gas but of some expensive Color Revolution perfume of “western” origin.

So lets look up the usual source of such exquisite fragrance. The 2012 annual report of the U.S. government financed National Endowment of Democracy, aka the CCA – Central Color-Revolution Agency, includes three grants for Hong Kong one of which is new for 2012 and not mentioned in earlier annual reports:

National Democratic Institute for International Affairs – $460,000

To foster awareness regarding Hong Kong’s political institutions and constitutional reform process and to develop the capacity of citizens – particularly university students – to more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform, NDI will work with civil society organizations on parliamentary monitoring, a survey, and development of an Internet portal, allowing students and citizens to explore possible reforms leading to universal suffrage.

So the U.S. government in 2012 (2013 numbers are not yet available) hands over nearly half a million to “develop the capacity” of “university students” related to the issue of “universal suffrage” in the election of Hong Kong’s chief executive.

Two years after the money starts to flow from the U.S. government university students in Hong Kong provoke street riots with demands exactly on the issue the U.S. government money wanted to highlight.

That is just some curious coincidence – right?

PS (1): There is no reason to believe that a majority of the people in Hong Kong are supporting the U.S. induced demands of the “students”. Hong Kong has some 7 million inhabitants. Ten to twenty thousands protesting amounts to some rather marginal 0.2% of the population.

PS (2): We noted earlier that the new Color Revolution scheme 2.0 – see Libya, Syria, Ukraine – now includes lots of violence:

Color revolutions in the old form had become too obvious a scheme to be of further use. The concept was therefore extended to include intensive use of force and mercenaries and to support those forces from the outside with weapons, ammunition, training and other means.

While earlier Color Revolutions employed mostly peaceful measures the aim now is blood in the streets and lots of infrastructure damage to weaken the forces resisting the regime change attempts. Accordingly the authorities in Hong Kong should prepare for much more than just unruly demonstrations.

PS (3): The NDI through which the NED money was funneled is the Democratic Party arm for regime change campaigns. It also does quite a bit of other Hong Kong meddling by financing various other organizations. Such foreign agents need to be restrained.

Comments

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1, 2014 6:10:49 AM | 101
can you elaborate for people here your views on the events in HK?

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 12:21 utc | 101

speaking of hedge funders
‘Argentina is engaged in a debt row with a number of US hedge funds.’
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/01/380657/kirchner-says-us-plotting-to-oust-her/
and
‘The top Argentine official further insisted that on her recent visit to Argentinian Pope Francis, she was alerted by police of a purported assassination plot against her by ISIL terror elements.’
now why would ISIL attack an argentinian leader? a clue as to who owns them?

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 13:09 utc | 102

@97:
So these are the idealistic young people fighting for social justice and “against Neo-liberalism” (frankly, I wonder what percentage of them has ever heard of the concept), while simultaneously calling mainland people “locusts”? Hmmm, calling an entire huge group of people by the dehumanizing name of an insect…Does that remind anyone of anything?
What I understand, there is indeed a big wealth gap and social injustice in Hong Kong, stemming from the stranglehold of the financial and real estate oligarchs. But where did these oligarchs come from, and where did the legal system that protects them come from? IMHO, the Beijing government’s fault was precisely too many concessions toward “local interests”.
By the way, Here is an interesting article from, of all places, the Guardian. It does not see all the sides of the issue, but does make some good points.

Posted by: Chinese american | Oct 1 2014 14:27 utc | 103

It is truly heart warming to hear people like Chris Patten calling for democracy. Under British rule democracy wasn’t even up for discussion.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 14:31 utc | 104

#OccupyCentral leader Jimmy Lai Chi-Ying is a business partner of Paul Wolfowitz
http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/01/hong-kong-s-occupy-central-is-us-backed-sedition/

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 14:32 utc | 105

@107 Thank you, brian, for connecting the dots.

Posted by: madisolation | Oct 1 2014 14:52 utc | 106

David Cameron is “deeply concerned” about the situation in Hong Kong
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/30/uk-hongkong-china-britain-idUKKCN0HP0JH20140930
Nick Clegg meets the “activists” from Hong Kong.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/nick-clegg-hong-kong-china-democracy

Posted by: Willy2 | Oct 1 2014 14:55 utc | 107

Cameron and Clegg are right to be deeply concerned. The FTSE is crashing.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 15:02 utc | 108

@103 My point is that the extreme neoliberal system in Hong Kong (“the world’s freest economy”) is the cause of Occupy Central, which is a symptom of the problem. I didn’t say, nor do I think the movement’s leaders are necessarily concerned about neoliberalism or indeed informed about the ideology. I think democracy could be a way for Hong Kongers to take back their own territory, and the vote is just the starting point. Once the vote is won, there’ll still be a long way to go. BUT having the vote provides the opportunity and is therefore a condition for any real change to happen.
@105 There is indeed a lot of racism in Hong Kong, especially towards the Chinese nowadays. But that in itself doesn’t make people’s grievances illegitimate. Also note that the people labelling the Chinese “locusts” are a minority. The fact is that it’s becoming increasingly difficult to make a living in Hong Kong, largely thanks to mismanagement by a government in bed with local elites and controlled by Beijing, and that is one of the main reasons why so many Hong Kongers are taking to the streets.
Also note that China has been paying protesters to rally against Occupy Central. One thing that Occupy Central’s leaders haven’t done is hand out cash to participants.

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1 2014 15:23 utc | 109

Col.Cassad is reporting “Voentorg” is closed now (military supply for Novorossia). It could get really rough for them, and it seems intensive Russia-West negotiations are going on behind closed doors. If US will sabotage the deal as usual, Voentorg should be opened again.
In any case, sadly Novorossia are just a token in negotiations, and those who blindly defend Russia are just as wrong as those who speak about pure betrayal. Truth is in the middle – Russia simply is prepared to compromise pretty far at the expense of Novorossia, just cant sell out it completely due to many reasons.
“Военторг на данный момент практически прекратил работу, координационный штаб в Краснодоне так же закрылся ( “война же официально закончена”). Будет ли что-то вместо него, большой вопрос.”
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1822463.html

Posted by: Harry | Oct 1 2014 15:33 utc | 110

@Harry #112:
Please don’t make off-topic posts and concern troll.
The post you quoted was preceded by “P.S.” If this were a significant development, Colonel Cassad would no doubt have devoted a whole blog post to it.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 1 2014 15:47 utc | 111

@112 “I think democracy could be a way for Hong Kongers to take back their own territory…” That suggests you envision an independent Hong Kong.
As I understand it Hong Kong has never been independent. Not under the Manchu and certainly not under the British.
Do you think Hong Kong would be economically better off as an independent entity? If that happened it’s hard to imagine foreign companies that use HK as a base would be welcome in China.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 16:14 utc | 112

@dh #114:
Good point. An independent Hong Kong makes no more sense than an independent Okinawa.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 1 2014 16:25 utc | 113

@115 I don’t think ‘making sense’ is a factor for the protesters at this point. They are running on youthful enthusiasm.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 16:30 utc | 114

113
Stop trolling
Harrys 112 was a perfectly cromulent comment on the ukraine situation

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 1 2014 16:30 utc | 115

@114 You’re putting words into my mouth. I didn’t advocate independence anywhere.

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1 2014 16:45 utc | 116

@114
I don’t know if that is what @112 means exactly; there is the whole “one country, two systems” idea, after all. Though of course I cannot read anyone’s mind. It would not surprise me if @112 identifies more with the British, and does not see himself as “Chinese” (e.g. when it comes to those being called “locusts”, he uses the word Chinese when I would have used mainlander.) But maybe I’m wrong.
As fo Hong Kong indepedence, I suppose it is theoretically possible–if China is utterly destroyed. I don’t think Hong Kong will be better off economically better off in that situation, though.

Posted by: Chinese american | Oct 1 2014 16:46 utc | 117

@118 Sorry. I thought you said Hong Kongers should ‘take back their own territory’. That to me implies prior (and future) ownership.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 16:48 utc | 118

Ming Chun Tang, do you consider yourself to be on the left? Or even left leaning? In US there is a form of what I, and others on this blog, call fake democracy. The US now only trails the EU in being neoliberal. In other words, US has brought in fascism by popular vote. The EZ has had their democracy totally destroyed. So called, free elections, can get any state neck deep in neoliberal orthodoxy.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1 2014 17:13 utc | 119

So China is by far the most democratic country in the world:
http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-learn-Disinformation-Hurting-Humanity/dp/1493546449/ref=la_B00G3SWQZ0_1_1_title_0_main?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1412183709&sr=1-1
So this is not about democracy but about imperial agression.

Posted by: Ben | Oct 1 2014 17:17 utc | 120

Peter Lee has responded to b’s post which started this thread at Counterpunch:

Bernhard of Moon of Alabama unearthed a fascinating budgetary item for the NDI in 2012 (and also, I must own, rebuked me for my naivete in regarding the Hong Kong demos as home grown).

I think we should treat Ming Chun Tang as an imposter and a troll. Someone here said that the real Ming Chun Tang has a blog. If a person with a blog makes a post at MoA, he will give a link to his blog.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 1 2014 17:18 utc | 121

@123 Troll perhaps. But interesting. He is echoing the protesters line. They avoid using the word ‘independence’. Too early for that I think.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 17:22 utc | 122

Americans inciting the sheep in Hong Kong against their will.
https://twitter.com/RaviCNN/status/517018598616072192/photo/1

Posted by: ab initio | Oct 1 2014 18:02 utc | 123

dh, I agree. Independence is a loaded word that, if used, could bring the Beijing authorites down hard on on occupy cnetral.

to take back their own territory

Sounds like the US Tea Party folk, “We have to take back America.”
WARNING: Ming Chun Tang don’t use that word.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1 2014 18:10 utc | 124

Ming Chun Tang I’m glad you’re following this blog. I give you a hearty welcome. As I’ve said before, this is the most important resistence blog on the internet. You can learn a lot here. Certainly I have, and I’m sure others feel the same.
So, Bienvenue!

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1 2014 18:46 utc | 125

@124 “I think we should treat Ming Chun Tang as an imposter and a troll. Someone here said that the real Ming Chun Tang has a blog. If a person with a blog makes a post at MoA, he will give a link to his blog.”
That’s pretty funny. Someone would actually impersonate me, a 20-year-old college student with a blog? Here is my piece published on three sources:
CounterPunch http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/30/hong-kongs-fight-against-neoliberalism/
ZNet http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/occupy-central-hong-kongs-fight-against-neoliberalism/
GlobalResearch.ca http://www.globalresearch.ca/occupy-central-hong-kongs-fight-against-neoliberalism/5405426
Now, my blog: http://clearingtherubble.wordpress.com/
On the right, you’ll see my Twitter feed, where I acknowledge your suggestion that I may be an imposter. Happy?

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1 2014 20:26 utc | 126

Amrika needs her own color revolution. The kind that we like to meddle and instigate from the outside of target nations. It’s almost a shame how many still respect the term sovereignty and do not habitually meddle in the internal affairs of others. Minding their own business now is clearly endangering the lives of their own citizens and way of life.
How easy it would be for foreign $$ to manipulate desperate and stupid Amrikans into fighting and killing each other on their way to toppling the USG. There are so many of the sheep that are better off dead than breeding…the Amrika Uber Alles crowd who think no matter who or what Amrika is killing overseas, that they somehow deserve it. Amrika Uber Alles. Never Wrong, Always Right Always Killing for the Good Of Mankind. So many who could be on fire and I would not stop to piss on them to put them out.

Posted by: Farflungstar | Oct 1 2014 20:31 utc | 127

Okay, I figured out how to include a link to my blog. There it is.
@118 Fair enough. Hong Kongers have never had prior ownership – HK has essentially been colonized twice, once by Britain and once by China. Taking ownership would be a better way to put it, and by that I mean the people actually having a say in how Hong Kong is run, rather than it being dictated solely by Beijing and by local elites.
@122 Yes, I do consider myself to be on the left, and I agree with you about the US being a pseudo-democracy. But now, what’s the lesser of two evils: having a vote, or having no vote and having policy imposed on you from above? You’re suggesting that free elections lead to neoliberal orthodoxy, but that isn’t necessarily the case, and nor do a lack of free elections in any way lead to socialist utopia. The purpose of free elections is to provide the OPPORTUNITY for Hong Kongers to rule themselves and thereby change the status quo. Whether we take that opportunity is another question.
@127 Again, I never mentioned independence. I’m also not American, I don’t follow the Tea Party, and I wasn’t aware that they use that language, but I’ll take your advice.

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1 2014 20:36 utc | 128

@112 Ming Chun Tang
the extreme neoliberal system in Hong Kong (“the world’s freest economy”)
The extreme neoliberal system in Hong Kong was created by the British. In the 90s, the big talking points in Hong Kong, what people were saying they were afraid of, were the terrifying “communist takeover” and losing their “economic freedom”, and the Beijing government promised that it would not happen, that they would keep its hands off Hong Kong. Beijing is content to let the local elites run Hong Kong, but this does not necessarily imply that the local elites are “controlled by Beijing”. Hong Kong does not even pay a cent of taxes to the central government, among other things.
I think democracy could be a way for Hong Kongers to take back their own territory, and the vote is just the starting point.
Has that been shown to actually work in places where there is the popular vote? How do you fight neo-liberalism by (NED-funded) neo-liberalism?
I am not denying that people in Hong Kong have real economic grievances. But grievances are enough to destroy and not enough to build. And they are easily turned to use by other forces. As for the “locust” talk, and the contemptuous attitude toward mainlanders (which I’m not sure is only on the part of the minority of protesters)–that does make one pause to consider about the suggestion that legitimate grievances are not the only reasons for the protests. How much of this sense of grievance is the grievance of losing one’s superiority and privileged position, compared to the mainland? It is increasingly difficult to make a living in Hong Kong–how much of this is due to the fact that people now need to compete more and more with the rest of the country?
I was where you were 25 years ago. No, actually, you’re way ahead of me at age 20: I certainly did not know what neo-liberalism was.

Posted by: Chinese american | Oct 1 2014 20:38 utc | 129

Ming Chun Tang, those sites are quasi left at best. You need your “fighting neoliberism” published by NYT or WaPo. Then we’ll know you’re legit.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1 2014 20:39 utc | 130

@124 “I think we should treat Ming Chun Tang as an imposter and a troll. Someone here said that the real Ming Chun Tang has a blog. If a person with a blog makes a post at MoA, he will give a link to his blog.”
That’s pretty funny. Someone would actually impersonate me, a 20-year-old college student with a blog?

well, Demian has a bit of a habit of making a fool of himself with his unwarranted speculations
he seems to think he can bully others into silence by making false/ridiculous claims such as the one above

Posted by: yeowzaa | Oct 1 2014 20:40 utc | 131

All I am saying is that, if one want to fight neo-liberalism, then it seems to me that one needs to realize that neo-liberalism is pervasive in this day and age–in the political “science” and economic theories they teach in the universities, and in the articles of faith that they tell you are cherished universal ideals. That’s how deep the rabbit hole goes. Once you’ve doubted an idea, every idea, then you can decide what it is good for.

Posted by: Chinese american | Oct 1 2014 20:45 utc | 132

@133 It’s true that it was created by the British – I don’t deny that. I also don’t think (and didn’t say, mind you) that the HK elites are controlled by Beijing. What I said was that the HK elites are ALLIED with Beijing against the social movements because they’re doing great under the status quo and the last thing they want is democracy.
On your second point, yes, there is. I’m sure I’ll be slaughtered for saying this, but Venezuela has seen genuinely positive social change under a genuine democracy (unlike what the right-wing elites claim). But what makes you say Occupy Central is neoliberalism? They haven’t got an agenda other than demanding the vote. And the declining standard of living has nothing to do with competition with China, because if that were the case, we would be seeing HK in economic decline. But that hasn’t happened. What has happened is that wealth has been redistributed from the middle and working classes to the rich, as naturally tends to happen under capitalism. I think you’re confusing two different issues – the issue of racism and the issue of class conflict. Hong Kongers aren’t the type to protest over just anything, least of all that kind of resentment that you’re talking about. Occupy Central is only happening because the middle and working classes are getting increasingly angry at the elites.
@134 So these American establishment papers are genuinely left-wing? Wow.

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1 2014 20:54 utc | 133

The purpose of free elections is to provide the OPPORTUNITY for Hong Kongers to rule themselves and thereby change the status quo.

Fair enough. It’ll be an uphill battle for sure, the HK plutocracy will pour money into the elections, run stealth candidates, with the aim to get a TRUE neoliberal in office. For instance, in France, the Socialist Hollande has embraced neoliberal orthodoxy completely. His approval rating are now at 13%, but he doesn’t care, he doesn’t work for the people. Like Obomber, he’s broken every campaign promise he made.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1 2014 20:56 utc | 134

@Ming Chun Tang #192:
Now I believe you’re the “real” Ming Chun Tang. And I don’t see why you got upset with me. I was just trying to protect the identity of the person who wrote that very informative Counterpunch piece.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 1 2014 20:59 utc | 135

@138 Let me make it clear. I’m not optimistic about Occupy Central. Not at all. I don’t think Hong Kongers are informed enough. But at the same time, I don’t agree with your defeatism. When there are no good options, you’ve got to take the least bad option. Having a vote is, in my opinion, the lesser evil compared to having no vote when you look at who currently runs HK.
@139 Well, I would have signed into this site through my Twitter account, if only the site had allowed it. But good to see you now know I’m real.

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1 2014 21:03 utc | 136

No, American establishment papers are way right wing, all of them, and supporters of neoliberalism. The only left leaning paper in US was a south San Francisco paper that got bought by some guy from Chicago who turned it into blah.
No, the reason I would like to see your article in NYT etc is because you would, first, get a larger audience, and second, because you would have established a yourself as a jounalist. Still, I’m glad your got your article in those 3 sites.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 1 2014 21:11 utc | 137

Cy Leung seems to be the main hate figure. The next big event will be Friday morning when he tries to get into his office…..which happens to be next door to the PLA barracks. Lots of media will be there for that.

Posted by: dh | Oct 1 2014 21:31 utc | 138

Wow. This outpouring of accusation and venom at a non-clique member by the self-appointed arbiters of authenticity has been quite instructive.

Posted by: jfl | Oct 1 2014 22:08 utc | 139

Posted by: Demian | Oct 1, 2014 1:18:48 PM | 124
that was me…and interesting point

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 22:26 utc | 140

‘Posted by: I take it back, all of you are dumbshits | Oct 1, 2014 3:25:46 PM | 129
but how much is ‘democracy’ a western concept? the american foundig fathers (landed gentry) rejected it, and most states establish political parties who tend to ignore those that vote for them.
‘rule by the people’ is in no country on earth

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 22:29 utc | 141

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1, 2014 4:36:49 PM | 132
policy is imposed on us from above…or do people in democracies take part in political decision making? not where i live

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 22:32 utc | 142

‘On your second point, yes, there is. I’m sure I’ll be slaughtered for saying this, but Venezuela has seen genuinely positive social change under a genuine democracy (unlike what the right-wing elites claim). ‘
@137
i presume most people here support the bolivarian revolution and the late Hugo Chavez!

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 22:35 utc | 143

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1, 2014 5:03:16 PM | 140
the problem with these movements is they way they get coopted: witness what happened in Ukraine: grievances by people of euromaidan were used by shadowy forces to topple a legitimate govt, leading to chaos, fascist terror and war.

Posted by: brian | Oct 1 2014 22:38 utc | 144

I would think that the very best thing for the HK protestors to do at this point is distance themselves as far as possible from the US Empire, and denounce it and its machinations. Otherwise, people will assume they are merely pawns.
Distancing oneself from the US Empire has to be the first priority of any genuine movement for justice. Even if the campaigns of protest are being waged outside of the US. Perhaps especially so, at this point.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 1 2014 23:12 utc | 145

@denk – thanks for the link to the ’67 riots. Very interesting.
Funny to think that it used to be communism which put the fear of god into every government. Riots, coups, strikes, real revolutions. Now the US has taken all those methods, injected them with millions of dollars and social and psychological research, and redeployed them.
The US is giving revolution a bad name. No doubt, that’s part of the plan.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 1 2014 23:39 utc | 146

Totally OT, but Hong Kong was former home of one of the most amazing human structures ever built.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 1 2014 23:42 utc | 147

@151 The closest thing to that now is Chungking Mansions on Nathan Road…
http://arzucanaskin.com/2014/06/30/17-floors-five-thousand-people-friends-and-delicious-food/

Posted by: dh | Oct 2 2014 0:16 utc | 148

@152 Oh wow, that’s still pretty amazing. Thanks for that.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 0:23 utc | 149

@153. Spent a couple of nights there some time ago. Didn’t run into any university educated Hong Kongers…..:)

Posted by: dh | Oct 2 2014 0:32 utc | 150

Hong Kong plays a fairly substantial role in McCoy’s The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia.
Its worth remembering the decrepit state the British maintained it in during much of their rule. Addiction to opium and heroin was staggering. A big moneymaker for the big boys.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 0:46 utc | 151

Posted by: brian | Oct 1, 2014 6:29:32 PM | 145
Yes, I know. That doesn’t justify the CCP’s rejection of democracy, even back when it was still actually committed to Communism.

Posted by: I take it back, all of you are dumbshits | Oct 2 2014 1:01 utc | 152

Hong Kong was built on the opium trade. Shanghai was part of the deal after the First Opium War. Beijing was sacked. A lot of Chinese haven’t forgotten.

Posted by: dh | Oct 2 2014 1:03 utc | 153

@124 demian quote “If a person with a blog makes a post at MoA, he will give a link to his blog.” i was going to challenge this as i read down the thread just now, but i see i don’t have to.. some folks posts here demian who don’t feel the need to share their blog or website.. as a musician, i have a website, but i feel no need to share it.. i think you have to think a bit more out of the box then you imply in the quote of yours above..
@137 MCT quote – “@134 So these American establishment papers are genuinely left-wing? Wow.” no.. those publications are propaganda central in the usa and for any bozo who thinks they want to understand the exceptional nation better and are stupid enough to digest these publications without a serious filter.
@147 guest77. ditto the first paragraph..
@150 guest77.. ditto the gist of that post too..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2014 1:17 utc | 154

Posted by: I take it back, all of you are dumbshits | Oct 1, 2014 9:01:09 PM | 156
right: but why make china live up to an ideal that no other state, esp the US, is prepared to do? the most advanced attempts at democracy occur in (and this weill really cook your bacon) Cuba venezula and libya(under Gaddafi)

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 2:22 utc | 155

guest 150
the hierachy of a fukus destabilisation op
[1] fukus embassy,aka cia, mi6 nest[a]
[2] the willing patsies doing the bidding of foreign masters
[3] the unwitting patsies who do not realise they’r doing the bidding of the foreign powers,
[4] the agent provocateurs who provoke violence when plan A fails
[5] the grunts who do battle with the police, the cannon fodders who got killed , not necessarily by the police, when the shit hits the fan.
i bet ming chun tang aint no [1] lol
but he seem to be your typical wog,
tang is your surname innit
ming chun ?
btw, is martin lee one of your mentor, is he your idol ?
[a]
why isnt there a real color rev in washington dc ?
coz there aint no murcun ambassy in washington dc lol.
im still dying to know why aint fukus *diplomats* fitted with electronic tagging device to curb their monkey business.

Posted by: denk | Oct 2 2014 2:59 utc | 156

China is currently overriding the FRB Cabal’s funny money scam with real gold-backed RMB currency now – to help liberate the world from their scaly grip.
ANYTIME A COUNTRY tries to create its own gold-backed currency that would render the USD fiat crap obsolete – the US stirs up dissent and invades (Iraq, Libya, Iran, etc).
Soooo…right on cue…color protest in HK…

Posted by: backstrap | Oct 2 2014 3:17 utc | 157

and you thought ebola was bad!
He [McCain] said, “A year ago, Ben-Ali and Gaddafi were not in power. Assad won’t be in power this time next year. This Arab Spring is a virus that will attack Moscow and Beijing.” McCain then walked off the stage.
Considering the overt foreign-funded nature of not only the “Arab Spring,” but now “Occupy Central,” and considering the chaos, death, destabilization, and collapse suffered by victims of previous US subversion, “Occupy Central” can be painted in a new light – a mob of dupes being used to destroy their own home – all while abusing the principles of “democracy” behind which is couched an insidious, diametrically opposed foreign imposed tyranny driven by immense, global spanning corporate-financier interests that fear and actively destroy competition. In particular, this global hegemon seeks to suppress the reemergence of Russia as a global power, and prevent the rise of China itself upon the world’s stage.
The regressive agenda of “Occupy Central’s” US-backed leadership, and their shameless exploitation of the good intentions of the many young people ensnared by their gimmicks, poses a threat in reality every bit as dangerous as the “threat” they claim Beijing poses to the island of Hong Kong and its people. Hopefully the people of China, and the many people around the world looking on as “Occupy Central” unfolds, will realize this foreign-driven gambit and stop it before it exacts the heavy toll it has on nations that have fallen victim to it before – Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt, and many others.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-now-admits-it-is-funding-occupy-central-in-hong-kong/5405680
John McCain is the Typhoid mary of thje Occupy/arab springs/euromaidans. ..he needs to be quarantined preferably on Mars!

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 3:30 utc | 158

“why isnt there a real color rev in washington dc ?”
There was one moment in the post-war period when the US faced precisely the phenomenon that have come to define “color revolutions”, that being to occupy the central square, bring huge numbers into the seat of government, live in protestors.
This moment was Martin Luther King’s planned “Poor People’s March” on Washington. DC at the height of the Vietnam War. MLK planned to bring one million people to the National Mall, and to hold a massive, open-ended sit in.
Knowing people’s love for him, his charisma, and indeed the violence that erupted in numerous cities following his death, we can certainly assume that he had the “political capital” to bring the country to a standstill and effect a genuine, Second American Revolution. Or we would have witnessed unbelievable bloodshed in our nation’s capital to unknown effect.
There is no telling what that event may have grown into. He was, of course, murdered in the planning stages. The violence that followed was extreme but directionless. The “Poor People’s March” would not have been.
Since then, consider what the US has witnessed in terms of loss of civil liberties, surveillance, police powers, and media control. There is little chance for such an event now, but if there is one, it will repeat what King intended on the National Mall.
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I presume the US has modeled its own global warfare on this and similar events it faced at home during the 1960s. The Ukraine and Venezuela – both of which included mystery snipers – has been the nadir of all of this. Gone are the days (mostly) of military coups followed by mass repression. Now we see “the people” driven out of their minds by carefully orchestrated media campaigns, push onto the streets under the guidance of professionals, to overthrow governments and impose repression and austerity, or simply rip the society to shreds as in Syria and Libya.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall…

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 4:24 utc | 159

guess 164
The Times They Are a-Changin
http://12160.info/photo/mlk-i-have-a-dream-obama-i-have-a-drone-05-1?context

Posted by: denk | Oct 2 2014 4:51 utc | 160

a possible solution is sugggested here:
‘In truth, the ball is in Baba Beijing’s court. They have the power and the ability to read the riot act to Hong Kong’s elite billionaires and their corrupt, toady politicians. All Baba Beijing needs to do is say,
OK boys, it’s time for a haircut. Your current inverted pyramid of wealth accumulation doesn’t need to be re-inverted, but it sure needs to be flattened out enough to keep the peace. Make that apex angle more obtuse, much more obtuse.’
http://44days.net/the-skinny-on-hong-kongs-occupy-central-movement/
NOTE supposedly Beijing cant act directly till 2047 so HK people cant blame mainland china, only their local billionaire masters

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 5:14 utc | 161

44days is a serious resistence blog, no doubt. Here’s an OT article about the EU which shows a EU flag with a wolfsangel centerpiece.
http://44days.net/europes-inglorious-ignimonious-infamy/

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 2 2014 6:58 utc | 162

The American deployment of double standards never ends:
Hong Kong protests: China warns US not to meddle in ‘internal affairs’

“We believe human rights and the freedom of expression is [sic] something that’s important not just in China but countries around the world,” [Jen Psaki] insisted, asked about Wang’s assertion that Hong Kong was an internal Chinese matter.
“We’re continuing to urge dialogue between the authorities and protestors,” she added.

I don’t remember Psaki urging Kiev to engage in dialog with the people of eastern Ukraine, who only wanted a federal system of government and the ability to keep their children for being forced to learn a brain damaged form of Russian. Instead, she said that Ukraine had every right to bomb its own people with artillery and air strikes to preserve its “territorial integrity”.
When are inside-the-Beltway types going to realize that Obama, with his neocon-infested State Department, has turned the US into a laughingstock as far as everyone but Americans and the English are concerned? America’s persistence in this holier that though attitude is just lessening any remaining credibility it might still have as some kind of moral authority.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 2 2014 9:13 utc | 163

OT but, Russian currency going down even more..
http://rt.com/business/192496-russia-capital-controls-putin/

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 2 2014 10:47 utc | 164

Andrew Korybko
1 hr ·
Gene Sharp’s protoge, Jamila Raqib, coauthored an op-ed in Huffington Post advertising the fact that the ‘Albert Einstein Institute’s’ destabilization tactics are being used in Hong Kong. I’ve read every one of Sharp’s major works and they are designed, even in his own words, to topple governments. He has written strategic guiding manuals on how to achieve this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shank/why-hong-kongs-occupycent_b_5906184.html
Hong Kong is not a protest, it is a Color Revolution. Well-intentioned individuals are being duped to join a movement aimed at overthrowing the authorities through a soft coup (for now), in a move that has never happened before in modern China. Legitimate grievances are being exploited by a revolutionary core and their cohorts to bring as many peaceful civilians into the fracas for use as human shields, in the hope that this will guarantee their own security amids the crackdown that some of them are trying to provoke.
My full analysis on this event will be forthcoming in the next couple of days on Oriental Review
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10104993491934055&id=12462833

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 10:51 utc | 165

i wonder why tang ming chun [1]
never appear in guardian, hell he’d get an army of cheerleaders from fukus, kinda like his home ground really.
what has he gotta say about this charge….
brian 103
*WEBMASTER ADDITION: “Evidence for Mr. Wong’s close ties to the U.S. that the paper cited included what the report described as frequent meetings with U.S. consulate personnel in Hong Kong and covert donations from Americans to Mr. Wong. As evidence, the paper cited photographs leaked by “netizens.” The story also said Mr. Wong’s family visited Macau in 2011 at the invitation of the American Chamber of Commerce, where they stayed at the “U.S.-owned” Venetian Macao, which is owned by Las Vegas Sands Corp.*
im still waitin for his view on martin lee, the god father of hk democratic movement, is he your mentor, your idol , ming chun ?
[1]
i’d rather call deng xiao ping instead of the wog way like xiao ping deng.

Posted by: denk | Oct 2 2014 10:57 utc | 166

Posted by: brian is a dumbshit | Oct 1, 2014 11:59:06 PM | 163
i will be waiting f B to take action against this person with his nasty nickname

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 11:00 utc | 167

And no, Gadaffi was not a Glorious Hero of the People no matter how much you’d like to pretend otherwise.
Posted by: brian is a dumbshit | Oct 1, 2014 11:59:06 PM | 163
wonder who is the dumbshit here:
so:
‘Under the revolutionary leadership of Muammar Qaddafi, Libya has attained the highest standard of living in Africa. In 2007, in an article which appeared in the African Executive Magazine, Norah Owaraga noted that Libya, “unlike other oil producing countries such as Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, utilized the revenue from its oil to develop its country. The standard of living of the people of Libya is one of the highest in Africa, falling in the category of countries with a GNP per capita of between USD 2,200 and 6,000.”
This is all the more remarkable when we consider that in 1951 Libya was officially the poorest country in the world. According to the World Bank, the per capita income was less than $50 a year – even lower than India. Today, all Libyans own their own homes and cars. Two Fleet Street journalists, David Blundy and Andrew Lycett, who are by no means supporters of the Libyan revolution, had this to say:
“The young people are well dressed, well fed and well educated. Libyans now earn more per capita than the British. The disparity in annual incomes… is smaller than in most countries. Libya’s wealth has been fairly spread throughout society. Every Libyan gets free, and often excellent, education, medical and health services. New colleges and hospitals are impressive by any international standard. All Libyans have a house or a flat, a car and most have televisions, video recorders and telephones. Compared with most citizens of the Third World countries, and with many in the First World, Libyans have it very good indeed.” (Source: Qaddafi and the Libyan Revolution)
Large scale housing construction has taken place right across the country. Every citizen has been given a decent house or apartment to live in rent-free. In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.” This dictum has now become a reality for the Libyan people.
Large scale agricultural projects have been implemented in an effort to “make the desert bloom” and achieve self-sufficiency in food production. Any Libyan who wants to become a farmer is given free use of land, a house, farm equipment, some livestock and seed.
“The standard of living of the people of Libya is one of the highest in Africa.”
Today, Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of all charges. The fact is that the Libyan revolution has achieved such a high standard of living for its people that they import labor from other parts of the world to do the jobs that the unemployed Libyans refuse to do. Libya has been called by many observers inside and out, “a nation of shop keepers.” It is part of the Libyan Arab psyche to own your own small business and this type of small scale private enterprise flourishes in Libya. We can draw on many examples of Libyans with young sons who expressed the idea that it would be shameful for the family if these same young men were to seek menial work and instead preferred for them to remain at home supported by the extended family.’
http://blackagendareport.com/content/libya-getting-it-right-revolutionary-pan-african-perspective
so readers: ask yourself: who is the dumbshit here?
so my conclusion is mr dumbshit is either ignorant, of Gadafi and libya, and now is no longer
OR
he is a troll

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 11:04 utc | 168

While I’ve got no doubt that US and englander agents have been stirring up shit in Honkers it is naive and patronising to write off the entire situation as a mob of idjits being told what to do by USuk.
The root cause of the Honkers problem was the englander government’s refusal to offer all the residents of Hongkong (remember they had been subjects of the englander queen for 100+ years), with english citizenship when Honkers was returned to its legal owners.
If you actually listen to the occupy mob and the mouthpieces who support it, (journos and members of the legislative assembly), one quickly notices the prevalence of petit bourgeois englander accents.
Many of these types didn’t require any encouragement from outside to be stirring shit.
It is disingenuous for Bernard to claim that the protests opposed to the Beijing screening then choosing candidates for Provincial Governor/Chief Executive or whatever it is called, are some sort of recent thing which HKers have only just picked up on. This issue was central to the demands of the HKers back when the english were running the joint and the english & chinese governments banded together to ignore the people’s wishes at that time.
Since no one seriously imagines there is the slightest chance of HK becoming independant or even largely semi-autonomous it is equally silly to imagine USuk are seriously stirring up a colour revolution. It is in the interests of the globalists that HK stay exactly as it is – but this doesn’t mean that USuk mind creating some chaos for the CP regime to have to deal with.
A minor prick into China’s ass to remind Beijing that straying too far from the script at the security council will always result in payback.
So setting aside the deliberately provocative wind ups USuk has been engaged in, it is appropriate for normal humans to feel for the average HK shit-kicker. Many MoA habitues will be too young to remember when the englanders ruthlessly suppressed HK workers claims for equal wages with english workers back in the 1960’s. At that time the englander government behaved exactly the same way – maybe worse than Beijing is currently alleged to be doing.
The englanders claimed that the workers were all ‘Red Chinese’ plants fighting for a commie takeover – The Harold Wilson Labour government was in power in england for much of this time, claiming to be fighting for trade unions and the working man, yet they were just another bunch of greedy white supremacists when push came to shove.
Instead of just mindlessly deciding ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’, a self defeating and unsupportable cry which has been dragged out on MoA with gay abandon on most ME issues of late, how about recognising that all of these large states and their corporate puppet masters are a bunch of cunts who don’t give a fuck about ordinary humans outside of the time us shitkickers’ misery can be exploited for the greedheads’ own ends.
The only way justice can be got for any of us is by way of a concerted push for decentralisation and the breaking up of these larger than can possibly be fair sovereign entities into much smaller units where there is only 2 or 3 degrees of separation between all citizens.
HK sure isn’t the place where that can be advanced at the moment, because as I said earlier, the assholes in USuk plus the rest of the western neoliberals are just as opposed to and independent HK deep down as Beijing is.
Honkers works for them because it is part of China – break that relationship and the island’s economic raison d’etre disappears.
amerika, england, france – most of western europe, in fact – including germany, have all got populations too large to be able to deliver the things that humans expect from their society.
These are the states in post industrial decline and the best candidates for the first wave of entropic decline and degeneration that would stir citizens into demanding then forcing decentralised political structures.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Oct 2 2014 11:38 utc | 169

@137 Ming Chun Tang
Sorry, I am just going by what you write, but to be honest, from your posts, I can’t help but get the sense that you don’t actually know how the protests/the chief executive resigning/the popular vote will solve the neo-liberalism problem (or how these things are related to the problem at all), and as for most of the protesters, the have even less of an idea than you do, but just a sense of grievance. So in what sense are you saying this is a fight against neo-liberalism?

Posted by: Chines american | Oct 2 2014 12:04 utc | 170

So, Kerry is now making statements about US support of the protestors goals.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/02/380750/china-warns-us-over-hong-kong-meddling/

“As China knows, we support universal suffrage in Hong Kong, accordant with the Basic Law,” Kerry told reporters, standing alongside Wang.

The Chinese official apparently meekly stood there and said something about China’s internal affairs. Why? Why not bring up US treatment of the Occupy movement? Why not bring up militarization of US policing as seen in Ferguson? Why do these countries allow these schmucks to just spout off without calling them out?
Crazy.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 12:34 utc | 171

“We believe an open society with the highest possible degree of autonomy and governed by rule of law is essential for Hong Kong’s stability and prosperity,” Kerry added.

At this point in world history, for the US to bring up a Chinese territories “stability”, this is just an open threat.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 12:37 utc | 172

amerika, england, france – most of western europe, in fact – including germany, have all got populations too large to be able to deliver the things that humans expect from their society.

I don’t think so. These countries have never in history been more capable of delivering peace, health, and a decent living standard to their peoples. There is just an all out refusal to do so. This being on the part of those who own these countries and most everything in them.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 12:42 utc | 173

The Chinese official apparently meekly stood there and said something about China’s internal affairs. Why? Why not bring up US treatment of the Occupy movement? Why not bring up militarization of US policing as seen in Ferguson? Why do these countries allow these schmucks to just spout off without calling them out?
Crazy.
Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2, 2014 8:34:47 AM | 176

The Chinese coined the term Paper Tiger having seen, first-hand, what the cowardly, incompetent, racist schmucks did in, and to, Korea and ‘Vietnam’.
The Chinese, like the Russians, think defensive bluster is a waste of breath.
They prefer the Ugly Truth …
Those who can, do.
Those who can’t, talk.
… incessantly in America’s case.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 2 2014 13:14 utc | 174

neocons in Hong Kong
Hongkong Upheaval is Classic Neocon Regime Change “Color Revolution”
Sept. 30, 2014 (EIRNS)—Although there are multiple foreign “Project Democracy” operations involved in the current mass upheaval in Hongkong (such as substantial annual funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, and open support from Chris Patten, the last British colonial Lord of Hongkong), the most instructive input comes directly from the right-wing “neocon” movement in the US, through Hongkong’s one and only “pro-democracy” newspaper, the Apple Daily.
Apple Daily was founded and run by Next Media chief Jimmy Lai (Lai Chee-Ying), who launched the media chain after the 1989 Tiananmen mass demonstrations in Beijing. He has funded the “democracy movement” groups in Hongkong for years, a fact that was revealed this past spring when his emails were leaked to the press. Jimmy Lai is now holding interviews from the streets of Hongkong, where tens of thousands of students have shut down major sections of the city since the weekend. Since riot police used pepper spray to clear out the rioters who had occupied a govenment building over the weekend, the riot police have pulled back and the demonstrators have taken over three main squares, sleeping out and refusing to leave.
The key role is that of Lai’s bag-man and top assistant, Mark Simon, an American from Falls Church, Virginia, who previously worked for the Pentagon, did an internship with the CIA (where his father worked), and is a sworn defender and collaborator of the neo-con crowd which ran the Bush Administrations. The South China Morning Post revealed on August 11 that Simon, Lai, and Paul Wolfowitz spent five hours on a yacht in Hongkong (on an unspecified date), and Simon brags in interviews that he is a dedicated neocon. He was introduced to Lai by Bill McGurn, a leading neocon and G.W. Bush’s chief speech writer. Lai, himself, reports Simon, “was truly friends with Milton Friedman and Gary Becker.”
Tomorrow, Oct. 1, is National Day in China, commemorating the founding of the PRC in 1949, but most celebrations have been cancelled. The demonstrations in Hongkong are being covered in the mainland press, although in a low key manner, calling on the protesters to go home, and the local government not to give in. The International press is all rah-rah, warning of another Tiananmen “massacre.”
http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2014/140930_hongkong_color_rev.html

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 14:09 utc | 175

forget hongkong
Ruptly ‏@Ruptly 7m7 minutes ago
Police clash with anti-#ECB protesters in #Napoli http://ow.ly/CcCWK

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 14:38 utc | 176

a surprisingly decent piece on Putin in WSJ
‘Russia has begun portraying the Hong Kong protests, too, as U.S.-inspired. Russian state-controlled television channels this week claimed that Hong Kong protest leaders had received American training.’
..
“Putin is a bold and decisive leader of a great power, who’s good at achieving victory in a dangerous situation,” said Maj. Gen. Wang Haiyun, a former military attaché to Moscow, in an interview with the Chinese website of the Global Times newspaper.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-russias-president-is-putin-the-great-in-china-1412217002

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 14:40 utc | 177

Is the BBC having second thoughts? Apparently not all Hong Kongers like the protests…
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29460118

Posted by: dh | Oct 2 2014 15:04 utc | 178

Posted by: Ming Chun Tang | Oct 1, 2014 4:54:33 PM | 137
Why use the name “Occupy”? For me, it creates a stigma and my perception is immediately tainted. To me, “Occupy” means an aimless pack of ass clowns.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 2 2014 16:36 utc | 179

I don’t think Hong Kongers are informed enough.
If that’s the case, informing must come before voting, otherwise the voters can be easily manipulated into voting against their best interests and yet led to believe they’re voting in their best interests. Does that sound familiar? That’s what happens in America and they call it Democracy.
The process of being truly informed and informing or enabling a majority to think objectively and critically is overwhelming and daunting. As an example, look at many of the commentators posting here — the ones who labeled you a troll and a fraud. They think they’re informed when they are very much misinformed. I’ll give them credit for trying, but in their quest for answers (their quest to be informed), they allowed their ego and prejudice to seize the day and so they are held captive by an imposed blindness. IMO, misinformed is worse than uninformed.
I don’t mean to sound defeatist, but it’s prudent to be realistic about the challenges you face if you want True Democracy. Carts shouldn’t come before horses.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Oct 2 2014 16:49 utc | 180

this is a repost about a less well known foreign instigated riot in tibet 1987. i want to highlight the modus operandi of fukus covert ops these days… sacrificing innocent dupes, children, women etc to further their nefarious scheme.
Hypocritical elegies
I learned of the participation of some 50 *foreign tourists* in the recent Lhasa riots with considerable outrage. But not exactly surprise.
I’ve been a foreign tourist in Tibet myself on three occasions since 1985. Each time, I met tourist after tourist who, in an interval of a few weeks at most, had become infatuated with a kind of vicarious Tibetan nationalism, Sometimes it was because of one or two conversations with inevitably pro- Western English-speaking Tibetans (there are many returnees from India now); [1] sometimes it was a rather thoughtless extension of genuine awe for Tibetan culture. But often enough it was something much more sinister. Many a blond, blue-eyed “Tibetan” nationalist with a backpack [1] was convinced that the Tibetans were nothing but a race of “noble savages,” doomed to the same kind of extinction at the hands of the Hans that native Americans have suffered at the hands of the West.
Such hypocritical elegies are premature, to say the least. But there can be no reasoning with these bigoted “saviours” of the Tibetan people. They do not care that there are fewer than 100,000 Hans in Tibet and there were undoubtedly even fewer during the Cultural Revolution (actually, an anti-communist travel guide, the Lonely Planet Tibet Survival Kit, even admits that most of the damage was done by people who were ethnically Tibetan).
They do not care that there is not a single Chinese “multi-national” corporation in Tibet pumping the area of its non-existent wealth. They don’t care that Tibet has never paid a fen in taxes and has on the contrary been richly subsidised for everything from education to industry to commerce. They don’t care that the people’s republic has waged a long, tough fight to modernise Tibet; in fact, they don’t care at all about the modernisation of Tibet, as they themselves will tell you. They are beyond such arguments and mundane concerns; somehow they have all become fanatical vicarious Buddhists and are ready to lay down other people’s lives to prove it,
What is really behind all this bornagain Buddhism on the part of foreign tourists to Tibet? Why do young Westerners who wouldn’t waste 5 minutes on a religious fanatic in their own country and live in horror of Khomeini in Iran suddenly become devoted (if somewhat patronising) followers of the Dalai Lama, a kind of super-Khomeini who longs for the days when every pebble and tree in Tibet is his personal property. It is not simply ignorance, though there is plenty of that. It is, in a word, racism. Not just racist hatred for the Han people (though I have certainly
heard enough tourists describe Hans as “animals,” meaning everything from their behaviour on buses to their alleged “occupation” of Tibet).
It is a particularly sickening kind of patronisation of the Tibetan people, who they see as a simple, happy, carefree race of child-like savages, free from the cares of the modern world and most in need of advice on how to remain so. I know this kind of patronisation. It is the sort enjoyed by native Americans when the reservations were set up and by Black people in the US as a way of keeping them out of White schools and successful careers that would only make them unhappy. It is this kind of patronisation which, in this world, is ultimately genocidal. There can be no better proof than the apparent willingness of large numbers of foreign tourists to bravely risk the lives of large numbers of Tibetan women and children in the name of the travellers’ new-found convictions.
According to the REVIEW [15 Oct.], the mob used children to seize automatic weapons from policemen and set a car alight at the height of the violence. Of course, that is horrible, callous, cynical manipulation. But there are plenty of foreign tourists who would use the whole of the Tibetan people to take out their petty anti-communism and narrow-mindedness on China. Let Tibet forever remain closed to such cynical travelling “nationalists”! Or, better yet … let them come, let them leave their money in the autonomous region, and let them take their idiotic notions of an “independent” Tibet (hopelessly dependent on the West) with them when they leave.
Canton David Kellogg
[1]
i wonder how many of these *tourists* had a desk back in langley ?

Posted by: denk | Oct 2 2014 16:59 utc | 181

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/02/hong-o02.html
While a narrow layer of super-wealthy tycoons has prospered, the living standards of the majority of working people have fallen. Jobs in manufacturing have been replaced by low-wage positions in service industries that benefitted from a growing numbers of tourists from the Chinese mainland. Despite declining real wages, the cost of living, especially housing costs, have risen sharply. The waiting time for public housing has blown out to ten years, forcing the low paid into makeshift accommodation and what are known as “cage homes.”[…]
These pressing social issues, however, find no expression in the perspective advanced by those parties and organisations dominating the current protests—the pan-Democrats, Occupy Central and various student groups—which are all, despite tactical differences, narrowly focussed on ensuring opposition candidates can stand in the 2017 election. This is a significant factor in the predominantly middle class composition of the protest movement and its failure to attract substantial support from the working class.[…]
The demand for full and open elections reflects the interests of layers of the Hong Kong elite who resent being marginalised by pro-Beijing tycoons and fear that the Beijing’s control over Hong Kong’s political affairs will undermine its competitiveness as an Asian financial centre. This wealthy stratum is determined to defend what it regards as Hong Kong’s competitive advantage, particularly over Chinese financial centres such as Shanghai: the long-established defence of capitalist property that unpins all commercial and financial transactions and is entrenched in the legal system established under British colonial rule.[…]
Even if the opposition parties and organisations achieved their objective in full—an open election in 2017 for chief executive—the result would be a contest, dominated by big money, between candidates representing rival factions of the Hong Kong tycoons.
The pro-Western orientation of much of the official Hong Kong opposition leaves the present protests open to manipulation by the major imperialist powers. At this stage, the US and Britain have expressed concerns, but not called for the resignation of Hong Kong’s chief executive or explicitly backed the opposition’s demands over the 2017 election.

Posted by: okie farmer | Oct 2 2014 17:04 utc | 182

to recap what brian has reported so far….
http://www.sott.net/article/286488-Another-US-sponsored-revolution-Hong-Kong-student-leader-accused-of-US-government-ties
*Do you remember the “please help us” video clip from Ukraine?
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgpELf-0X8E
And here you have another “please help us” video. This time from Hong-Kong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vvxlGUki7U
Did you notice any similarities? 🙂

Posted by: denk | Oct 2 2014 17:32 utc | 183

@Ming
Ignore Cold Hole. He is a well known troll.

Posted by: Massinissa | Oct 2 2014 18:16 utc | 184

Yes, let’s just ignore Gadafi’s treatment of immmigrants, his participation in the CIA’s rendition program, and his kleptocratic tendicies. He provided social spending to stay is power, but he was still a totalitarian didkhead.
Napoleon III wasn’t a hero of the people either, no matter how much some people pretended he was.
Posted by: Brian is a dumbshit | Oct 2, 2014 3:29:10 PM | 191
i noticed youve ignored these ‘tendencies’ as you cant provide any evidence of them!(this ommission confirms they dont exist) no surprise youve ot the guts or integrity to use your own name…its easy to sniper frmo a hiddne location.
youre the Troll incarnate

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 21:36 utc | 186

@188
very interesting, as is this comment left by someone
Do you remember the “please help us” video clip from Ukraine?
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgpELf-0X8E
And here you have another “please help us” video. This time from Hong-Kong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vvxlGUki7U
Did you notice any similarities? 🙂
also its ‘open’ societies that are more prone to penetration/infiltration by foreign powers

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 21:44 utc | 187

This helps one understand the riots:
Hong Kong and China: One Country, Two Histories

Unlike pupils in most schools around the world, students in secondary school in Hong Kong will see history twice on their timetables. Chinese History to teach them about their national past and History to teach them about their local and global story.
In Chinese History, pupils study the long and glorious history of the Middle Kingdom. From the first people to inhabit the China, through the rise and fall of dynasties, to the first half of the 20th century and the mass movements that period produced. Students are taught the basis for their nation, and the foundation for a pervasive nationalism. The Hong Kong Education Bureau’s syllabus makes quite clear that the aim of the subject is in part to “nurture a sense of belonging to the Chinese nation and ethnicity.”
Compare this with the aims of History – a subject that teaches local and global history in English – to “prepare students for citizenship,” “develop values and attitudes in relation to moral, civic, and environmental education,” and crucially “relate the study of the past to contemporary life.” It is in the syllabus of this course that we can see how Hong Kong’s values, variously defined as a commitment to liberty, equality, rule of law, and democracy, are developed and reinforced.
With a colonial foundation and Western inspiration, the History curriculum frames the history of Hong Kong in the development of universal ideals and liberal modernity. …
In Form 2, students are taught the “Transition to Modern Times.” With themes like the rise in living standards due to the Industrial Revolution, and the impact of the Enlightenment and French Revolution on the world, they learn about the origins of modernity. The individual is at the heart of these movements, and the modernity that students are being told of is decidedly Western and not all that Chinese. …
The splitting of Hong Kong and China’s histories serves to illustrate how difficult it has been and how difficult it will continue to be to integrate Hong Kong, with a globally informed political view, into a China that is actively seeking an alternative path.

For “global”, read Anglophone.
What people are taught about history and politics in high school certainly molds their ideology. That Ukrainians have been taught using a highly nationalistic and Russophobic curriculum for 23 years explains explains why they are willing to make cannon fodder of themselves for the glory of a unified Ukraine. An interesting Russian piece I read pointed out that unlike Americans, Europeans, and Russians, Ukrainians do not appear to care in the least about the death and maiming of their soldiers. The country has become zombified.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 2 2014 22:02 utc | 188

Posted by: denk | Oct 2, 2014 12:59:23 PM | 186
lets not get carried away! i happen to be a student of Tibetan buddhism..tho not DL, and a quite aware of western infiltration into tibet in order tro surround china wih a ring of american steel

Posted by: brian | Oct 2 2014 22:04 utc | 189

@brian #193:
Brilliant catch! The juxtaposition of those two videos tells you everything you need to know about the Hong Kong riots. That comment deserves to be front paged. (I still don’t think that snipers will be used in Hong Kong, though.)
As is the case with ISIS, MoA is turning out to be my most useful source of information.
For the Euromaidan video, I used the Youtube comment translation feature for the first time: very nice. Since the vast majority of commenters are Polish, it comes as no surprise that most comments are very stupid.
@Ming Chun Tang:
I’m curious, what do you think of the Euromaidan? Do you know what Occupy Hong Kong people think about it? What the Occupy Hong Kong people are doing – camping out in the center of the city, causing much mischief – seems to be identical to what Euromaidan did. The only difference is that Occupy has not thrown Molotov cocktails at police or shot them yet.
@Chinese american:
I believe you are new here. Welcome!

Posted by: Demian | Oct 2 2014 22:30 utc | 190

I found out from thiis post at the same Web site as in #194 that International Relations actually has a concept of a revisionist power. How diabolically imperialist. When I read the following in a hit piece on Russia, I thought the author’s use of the word “revisionist” in this sense was peculiar to him:

Nurturing Chinese distance from a revisionist Russia is especially important, as is fostering the independence of states in Central Asia and the Caucasus.

From Wikipedia:

Organski and Jacek Kugler defined status quo states as those that have participated in designing “the rules of the game” and stand to benefit from these rules. Challengers, or “revisionist states”, want “a new place for themselves in the international society” commensurate with their power.

Given that Russia was one of the victors of WW II, and hence participated in setting up the rules of the game embodied in the UN, it is by definition a status quo state. It is the US that is the revisionist, since with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US started aiming for “”a new place for [itself] in the international society”: that of unopposed world hegemon. Destroying nations, which the US began to do with Yugoslavia, thus violating the UN Charter, is not the behavior of a status quo power.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 2 2014 22:57 utc | 191

@197 Demian- “Given that Russia was one of the victors of WW II, and hence participated in setting up the rules of the game embodied in the UN, it is by definition a status quo state. It is the US that is the revisionist, since with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US started aiming for “”a new place for [itself] in the international society”: that of unopposed world hegemon. “
Wow. Damn. Dead on.
Thanks Demian. I’ll be using that one.

Posted by: guest77 | Oct 2 2014 23:01 utc | 192

@guest77 #198:
I just look at these things from Lavrov’s point of view. 😉
It all depends on what you take the status quo to be. Russia takes the status quo to be the end of WW II; the US takes it to be the period of Yeltsin’s Russia. That Wikipedia article is worth reading, since it helps one understand how US foreign policy types think.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 2 2014 23:19 utc | 193

To dullwitted to formulate even one simple sentence of your own containing anything like a original thought, eh?
So ya steal em from people smarter than you
Figures . . . About what one would expect from the Gimp

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 2 2014 23:21 utc | 194

i doubt we will hear about this in the msm..”A Swiss Red Cross worker was killed in Donetsk as the office of the humanitarian organization was shelled, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).” it is hard to stick to the script when reality interferes… that pesky putin/russia have to be responsible for this right?

Posted by: james | Oct 3 2014 0:18 utc | 195

Posted by: Demian | Oct 2, 2014 6:30:51 PM | 196
theres also one for venezuela
all three Hong Kong , Ukraine and venezuela maidans were cookie cut from the same U$ dough

Posted by: brian | Oct 3 2014 1:21 utc | 196

@202
to dumbshit….the goal of a colour revoluton is to get the target state to react with violence….sometimes the patsies need only stand around,..other times they need to use their own violence to force a violent response….depends on the level of state tolerence

Posted by: brian | Oct 3 2014 1:30 utc | 197

@brian #203:
If you can find the one for Venezuela, that would be nice. Maybe it’s in your browser’s history?
On the Occupy Hong Kong Youtube page, there were a lot of comments by Russians, almost all saying that this is another Maidan.
Hong Kong’s Chief Secretary Will Meet With Protestors

In a roughly 20 minute press conference, Hong Kong’s chief executive made his first public response to the protests gripping the city. Chun-ying (CY) Leung’s press conference was held just before a midnight ultimatum issued by protestors came into effect.
In the press conference, Leung announced that the government would meet one of the protestors’ demands. The Hong Kong Federation of Students wrote an open letter asking for a meeting with the chief secretary for administration in order to discuss the constitutional development of Hong Kong. Leung said that Chief Secretary Carrie Lam will in fact meet with students. Lam said that she hoped for a swift resolution to the impasse. When asked if the meeting would be public, as the protestors had requested, Lam demurred, saying that the details still needed to be worked out. Lam also indicated that she had already held meetings with both pro-democratic and pro-Beijing forces earlier on Thursday.
Leung praised the Hong Kong police and the SAR government for their restraint. He said that the protests would continue to be tolerated as long as protestors do no attempt to occupy important government buildings, such as the police headquarters and the chief executive’s office. Leung said that he did not want a confrontation between police and protestors, and urged protestors not to advance on the police cordons. When asked about reports that the Hong Kong police are armed with rubber bullets, Leung emphasized that the police will continue to exercise restraint. Still, he also urged to protestors to end their occupation of the city center.

Definitely has an air of deja vu. Probably not a bad idea to have a woman meet with the demonstrators.

Posted by: Demian | Oct 3 2014 2:02 utc | 198

brian 195
*lets not get carried away! i happen to be a student of Tibetan buddhism*
i wasnt commenting on tibetan buddhism but fukus tactics to use local cannon fodders, i also wouldnt let pass the possibility that those *tourists* who incited mob violence using children and women are cia/mi6 cunts.
thats all.
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quiz
whats the common thread to ….
+one of the greatest hoax of the century, tam *massacre of unarmed students*.
+one of the worst genocide of the century, indonedia bloodbath 1965 where prolly up to 2m ethnic chinese were slaughtered.
ans
both courtesy of cia/mi6.
both were launched by disinfo originated from hk, did i say hk has been the gateway to destabilisation of china by fukus since the opium war ?
on tam..
*whence the story of a Tiananmen Square massacre?
A lurid BBC report [sic] at the time was one important source. Other reporters may then have felt compelled to chime in even though none of them, including the BBC, had actually been in the square.
Mathews traces much of the problem to a Hong Kong newspaper that immediately, after the 1989 disturbance, ran a long story under the name of an alleged student protester*
http://www.gregoryclark.net/jt/page85/page85.html
on indon, 1965
*The army’s anxiety was increased by rumors, throughout 1965, that mainland China was smuggling arms to the PKI for an imminent revolt. Two weeks before Gestapu, a story to this effect also appeared in a Malaysian newspaper, citing Bangkok sources which relied in turn on Hong Kong sources.106 Such international untraceability is the stylistic hallmark of stories emanating in this period from what CIA insiders called their “mighty Wurlitzer,” the world-wide network of press “assets” through which the CIA, or sister agencies such as Britain’s MI-6, could plant unattributable disinformation.*
http://www.namebase.org/scott.html
min chun, in case u’r wondering…
fukus = fuck uk + us.
what do u think of obama , cameron, they’r both rooting for your fight for *democracy* ?

Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2014 2:23 utc | 199

2014]
mh370
boko haram
ukraine
xinjiang
isis
gaza
mh17
ebola
hk
……..
crisis after crisis after crisis….
when one gets too hot, spring another one to blot it out and flush down the memory hole .
while we’r here, what happens to ebola, have they quarantined the whole *dark continent* already ? mh17, case closed ?
*‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.’”
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2004/10/20/delusions-of-empire/
while we’r *studying* the hk caper, i bet they have couple of programs lining up for our their entertainment…..hehehehe

Posted by: denk | Oct 3 2014 2:54 utc | 200