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September 14, 2014
The Caliphate’s Anti-Imperial/Imperial Dualism

A bit more on the tweets by Peter Lee aka Chinahand I had quoted:

Westerners mock pretensns of IS Caliphate bt it seems 2 strike chord among quite a few Muslims: effort to reestablish theocratic rule in 1/3

heartland of Umayyad/Abbasid caliphates, turn page on disastrus century of colonial/postcolonial rule, replace fragmented/corrupt states 2/3

w/ united Islamic power. West passivty validates the caliphate & its transnational strategy. May be PRC/Rus that try 2 draw the line. 3/3

(BTW – Denigrating those ideas because of shortened spelling in a Tweet(!) is petty.)

After further thinking about that I believe that Peter is right. ISIS, the group now claiming a Caliphate, might have had roots in some sectarian scheme the CIA and the U.S. Special Forces were running in Iraq. But it has by now far exceed that realm. The Caliphate is based on original Wahhabi ideas which were in their essence also anti-colonial and at first directed against the Ottoman rulers.

See Alastair Crooke‘s essays, You Can’t Understand ISIS If You Don’t Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia and Middle East Time Bomb: The Real Aim of ISIS Is to Replace the Saud Family as the New Emirs of Arabia, on the origin and history of these thoughts.

After 1741 the minor Ibn Saud Bedouin tribe collaborated with the radical cleric Abd al-Wahhab to justify its expansion. Several decades later they became too successful and the Ottoman rulers, with the help of their Egyptian army, exterminated the movement and the first Saudi proto-state. When a hundred years later the Ottoman empire fell apart the Wahhabi ideas and the Saudi movement sprang back to life. But the Saudi rulers were now under British imperial influence and that required to put their Puritans down:

Abd-al Aziz, however, began to feel his wider interests to be threatened by the revolutionary “Jacobinism” exhibited by the Ikhwan. The Ikhwan revolted — leading to a civil war that lasted until the 1930s, when the King had them put down: he machine-gunned them.

Wahhabism survived after that but in a crippled form subordinated to the ruling Saud family.

The new Caliphate followers are copies of the original Wahhabis who do not recognize nation states as those were dictated by the colonial “western” overlords after the end of the Ottoman empire. They do not recognize rulers that deviate, like the Saudi kings do, from the original ideas and subordinate themselves to “western” empires. It is their aim to replace them. As there are many people in Saudi Arabia educated in Wahhabi theology and not particular pleased with their current rulers the possibility of a Caliphate rush to conquer Saudi Arabia and to overthrow the Ibn Saud family is real.

In that aspect the Caliphate is anti-colonial and anti-imperial. That is part of what attracts its followers. At the same time the Caliphate project is also imperial in that it wants to conquer more land and wants to convert more people to its flavor of faith.

Both of these aspects make it a competitor and a danger to imperial U.S. rule-by-proxy in the Middle East. That is, I believe, why the U.S. finally decided to fight it. To lose Saudi Arabia to the Caliphate, which seems to be a real possibility, would be a devastating defeat.

Espousing a (reactionary) anti-imperial, anti-colonial ideology while at the same time furthering an imperial project is not as strange as it appears. The U.S. itself is of anti-colonial heritage and is now trying to establish a global empire. This dualism requires some serious doublethink. Billmon wrote a short Twitter essay yesterday on how the originally anti-colonial U.S. and its officials now have to lie to themselves to justify their imperialism. See also Guest77‘s comment on the unconscious doublethink of U.S. officials. They lie to a New York Times reporter one day then read their lies the next morning, believe them and feel confirmed in their false views.

There is not that much difference between the unaltered Wahhabi ideology ISIS espouses and the puritanical believes of the first white conquerors in North America. The anti-imperial/imperial duality is only one commonality. Indeed I believe that there are quite a lot parallels between both movements.

Comments

Another link on the Dominionists:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/5-facts-about-dominionism_n_945601.html

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 15 2014 14:28 utc | 101

Sibel Edmonds at Boiling Frogs Post has been going after Turkey for years. Recent articles:
Erdogan: Turkey’s ‘Good Dictator’
Turkey’s Erdogan: An Autocratic Islamist Bigot
Erdogan is Harming Turkey’s Secular Democratic Tradition
Erdoğan’s Naked Theatre of Democracy
Simmering Anger at Erdogan’s Authoritarianism Boils over in Turkey
Turkey: Between Deep State & Dictatorship
Turkey’s Democratic Institutions Besieged
The Specter of Dictatorship Hangs over Turkey

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 15 2014 14:33 utc | 102

@81, excellent show. Actually, China reached out to Russia in the 40’s but Stalin dithered. That was his worst mistake IMO, setting back by decades the cause of intl justice(if that’s not too grandiose;).

Who is the commander of the counterrevolutionary front? It is imperialism, it is Chamberlain. Who is the commander of the revolutionary front? It is socialism, it is Stalin. Comrade Stalin is the leader of the world revolution. This is an extremely important circumstance. Among the whole human race, this man, Stalin, has appeared, and this is a very great event. Because he is there, it is easer to get things done…What does a revolutionary commander do? He sees to it that everyone has food to eat, clothes to wear, a place to live, and books to read. And in order to achieve this, he must lead a billion and more people to struggle against the oppressors and bring them to a final victory. This is precisely what Stalin wants to do. Since this is the case, should not all those who suffer oppression congratulate Stalin? I think they should, I think they must. We should congratulate him, support him and study him.

http://massline.org/SingleSpark/Stalin/StalinMaoEval.htm

Posted by: ruralito | Sep 15 2014 15:19 utc | 103

@71 malooga. i hope you stick around. b needs someone to challenge him periodically and you are just the one to do it..
malooga quote “Why do people read all this disinformation in the lead-up to war, and believe it? Does anyone else follow what Hassan Nasrallah says?”
propaganda works, not matter how much of it is dispelled. i can’t answer for ‘b’s switch in how he views ISIS. i still see it as a front for us/saudi/israel purposes with turkey a willing partner..
does peter lee have some website, or does he only post on twitter? i don’t know who he is and haven’t read anything by him other then these isolated quotes from b.
@75 ChipNikh.. that is pretty ironic.
@77 ChipNikh.. that would answer malooga’s question, not that it was the focus of your post..people need to read that if they have any doubt about the many ways that the usa spin war..
@82 ChipNikh.. i reason the 1% are working to lower the price of oil is to destabilize russia.. the reason they want to overthrow syria and will use ISIS as a cover for it is to be allowed to run a gas line from qatar thru syria to serve europe so that russia is also cut off.. read this link if you’re interested.

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2014 15:25 utc | 104

ot – Voice of Hezbollah: The Statements of Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah – book from 2007. i haven’t read it, but maybe someone here would like to..

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2014 15:29 utc | 105

@ 71: Connecting the dots IS important. Thanks to you, and many others, we have dots.

Posted by: ben | Sep 15 2014 15:29 utc | 106

Here’s the most recent map of US airstrikes in Iraq.They are what one observer (Colin Clark) has called “desultory” — lacking a plan, purpose, or enthusiasm.
Aerial bombardment is notoriously ineffective. A former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said on Sunday that an air campaign alone probably will not destroy the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS.)
“The only way we can think about destroying ISIS in this particular strategy is that the forces on the ground will have to do the destroying,” Gen. James Cartwright said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 15 2014 15:50 utc | 107

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 15, 2014 5:11:17 AM | 71
b is kidding (pulling our collective leg / joking). All the people here who don’t take themselves too seriously saw through it straight away. It’s probably some kind of test; for whom one can only guess.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 15 2014 15:53 utc | 108

Actually, I’m curious what other “implications” explain the rather “embarrassing” lack of Arab world support for Obama’s plans (since of course, “we’re doing it all for you” as a humanitarian mission and/or to protect American “personnel” on the grounds — at what point will there be sufficient special EVERYWHERE ON EARTH to make that rationale extend globally??)).
Turkey’s “intransigence” has been blamed on domestic turmoil (oh, those crazy Turks!!!). If a consolidated one-two punch threatened Assad (as in “that was the plan all along”), one can only wonder who else is feeling a chill.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 15 2014 16:25 utc | 109

I am happy to see the meme of ISIS created by the CIA / US lose a little traction. True in some sense. But so what.
ISIS imperalist? Perhaps in the loose sense of anti-American / ‘West.’ As for its imperial ambitions in the sense of attaining a wide Continental Caliphate or attacking KSA, etc., I am sure these are bluster, propaganda, and that the leaders know this perfectly well. Moreover the project of an imposed Islamic state does not spring from a ‘strong center’ to ‘conquer a weak periphery’ (as in colonialism, say French imperialism, etc.)
This is so-called regressive imperialism – subjugating the ppl, expelling / killing the undesirables, here infidels (no concentration camps, and prisons are reserved for members, those who belong), maybe moving adherents in, and, radically transforming the society. Within the ‘country’ – so the model resembles Mao and Pol Pot more than Hitler.
In such a situation, there is only one thing that is vital: holding the territory taken, which may be quite small, or decent-sized (about the size of Belgium now or what?) and consolidating it – culturally, religiously, educationally, politically, etc.
The tweet quotes by P. in the top post can be interpreted as: > ISIS is a radical societal project, as opposed to pure gangsterim and rapine, which is a parasite on an existing society, and just moves on when the earth is scorched.
ISIS is fighting for an Islamic state. Often called ‘political Islam.’ With a new! cast of leaders.
ISIS is using extreme violence and terrorising ppl, there are no other means available, as they have to absorb, take over, and then transform the existing structures, as they can’t run the place themselves.
They don’t have the teachers, the engineers, or even ppl to collect taxes. So they must ruthlessly dominate, but also build adherence and reliance. Mind you, that is the theory, or the ideal, and all kinds of intermediary states can exist for a long time. (For ex. Afghanistan.)
Could all this be somewhat manufactured, insincere, a kind of cover for mayhem for loonies, simply to create chaos? Proxies, supported from outside, and duped? Let’s not forget that it needn’t be black or white, many mixes are possible.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 15 2014 16:28 utc | 110

Ground troops are necessary, because the Iraq army which had been highly touted by the US has proven to be ineffective. But where will the ‘boots on the ground’ come from?
nbc:
The White House can’t officially announce any countries who have pledged ground troops. “Well, you will hear from Secretary Kerry on this over the coming days. And what he has said is that others have suggested that they’re willing to do that. But we’re not looking for that right now,” Chief of Staff Denis McDonough said on “Meet the Press” yesterday. More from McDonough: “We’re trying to put together the specifics of what we expect from each of the members.”
“What we expect from each of the members” — the new US imperialism, with “members” doing the heavy lifting. Or not.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 15 2014 16:34 utc | 111

From the comments at Going to Tehran…
EU officially admits buying oil from ISIS
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/05/EU-Buys-ISIS-Oil-Ambassador

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 15 2014 16:36 utc | 112

ISIL is much closer to the Crusades (or even Zionism) in terms of divine rights and restoration of what was lost. The Caliphate may (or may not be an empire) but the Ottoman empire (which I believe was “imperialistic”) was not a caliphate. There is no “missionary work” being done, rather a convert-or-die threat which may end up being closer to ethnic cleansing of all infidel if they allow minorities to flee into territories not-yet-in-their-sights.
My model of imperialism is colonialism — of purely economic motivation although with a fair amount of conversion of heathens to Christianity. Islam has been/had been(?) growing globally via conversion, being not obsessed with bloodlines as far as I know.
I’m not sure what they will end up doing if they can in fact achieve their goals — which is really very very far down the road — to use Petraeus’ terms — hold, clear and build — they’ve only just begun (and their success imho is far from assured). The maps I’ve seen suggest that what they actually hold is much smaller than advertised, though it’s hard to tell in a region where vast swaths of land are uninhabited leaving transport/roads always vulnerable in between.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 15 2014 16:52 utc | 113

my bad — I posted too quickly (I need to get back to work)
apparently the ottoman was considered a “caliphate” from Wiki ending in 1923 — although I’m not sure that “caliphate” is the one they’re trying to “restore”

The Ottoman Caliphate, under the Ottoman Dynasty of the Ottoman Empire inherited the responsibility of the Caliphate from the Abbasids of Egypt.
During the period of Ottoman growth, Ottoman rulers beginning with Fatih Sultan Mehmed claimed the caliphal authority. His grandson Selim I, through conquering and unification of Muslim lands, became the defender of the holiest places in Islam. The demise of the Ottoman Caliphate took place in part because of a slow erosion of power in relation to Europe and end of the state in consequence of partitioning of the Ottoman Empire. Abdul Mejid II held the Caliph position for a couple of years, but with Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s reforms, the caliph position was abolished.

Apologies — I’d delete if it were an option.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Sep 15 2014 16:55 utc | 114

@Penny – i am not sure how you read that as an excuse, especially since i explicitly stated it is not. nor do i understand why you imagine i present myself as some kind of all seeing being – i am just a nobody like you trying to figure this stuff out.
You seemed to have missed the point of the CIA story completely.
if you have an alternative point of view to present, please do. if you just want a chance to sqwak and throw up straw men, please leave me out of it.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 15 2014 17:14 utc | 115

“…MOSCOW, September 15 (RIA Novosti) – Iran has rejected the US requests for cooperation in fighting Islamic State extremists, Agence France-Presse reported on Monday, citing the Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei “Right from the start, the United States asked through its ambassador in Iraq whether we could cooperate against Daesh [Arabic acronym for Islamic State]. I said no, because they have dirty hands. Secretary of State[John Kerry] personally asked [Iranian Foreign Minister] Mohammad Javad Zarif and he rejected the request,” Khamenei stated.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140915/192962591/Iran-Declined-US-Requests-for-Cooperation-Against-IS-Agency.html

Posted by: really | Sep 15 2014 17:31 utc | 116

Penny, guest77 @115,
Perhaps neither of you expressed yourselves very well? Or maybe you both did, and just have a fundimental disagreement over what motivates US officials to lie. Penny seems to believe US officials lie as a matter of habit, knowing full well they’re lying. Whereas guest77 believes there’s some amount of “self-deception” among those lying.
This isn’t going to be settled by argument. What we’re talking about here is the degree of sociopathy in our elected officials. That will certainly not be tested. Personally, I believe it’s rather high. Not 90%, but high. It’s a profession after all that is ready made for sociopaths, rather like investment bankers, which we do have a little data on which confirms high sociopathy in that profession.
Very high govt officials only get to high rank, imo, if they’re proven skillful lyars.

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 15 2014 20:38 utc | 117

@117 okie.. i like how you have brought that together.. part of the art of lying is not saying everything you know that would push a result in a different direction.. thus while obama is saying the usa will bomb ISIS, they don’t reveal the continued focus on assad’s removal.. is he lying? the plot remains the same for most anyone to be able to see..

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2014 21:00 utc | 118

@117 Maybe not so different from lawyer’s ability to make a case either way. Many people in politics have legal backgrounds. There is your truth, my truth and THE truth.

Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2014 21:06 utc | 119

That’s too bad that the Gulf potentates won’t offer up their Sunni armies to enter Shi’ite Iraq after the US offers it to them on a platter.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 15 2014 21:32 utc | 120

@120 Yes it is a darn shame. How could Kuwait miss an opportunity to grab Basra? Maybe a step too far for Iran.

Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2014 21:53 utc | 121

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 15, 2014 4:38:05 PM | 117
Very well said, but another aspect is that those who effectively climb to the top of a crony capitalist system typically have a specialized ‘ass-kissing’ skill, a high and strategic tolerance of and support for incompetent folks above them. Inherited wealth tends to be shallow and incompetent but generally knows that, hires effective sociopaths to carry out its orders, and mostly stays out of the way. A fair number, however, don’t know and want to be bosses, which is where high and strategic tolerance for incompetence comes in very handy.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 15 2014 23:55 utc | 122

Posted by: dh | Sep 15, 2014 5:06:56 PM | 119
It’s so easy to lie and mislead people regarding stuff about which they know little or nothing. So, foreign policy is easy in the US. Lies and b.s. about Social Security are much harder to get over.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 16 2014 0:03 utc | 123

Americans, like most people on earth, including George Washington who advised to shy away from foreign entanglements, don’t care what happens in Iraq and other exotic places. Any involvement in events in far-off places is not interesting. Why should they care?
Plus the president proclaims that politics ends at the waters edge. Also anyone who’s not for us is against us. Who wants to be un-American and disagree with the president? Not most people. Only a relative few take any interest. They figure that the president has better information and knows what he’s doing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 16 2014 1:18 utc | 124

To CDH at 77 —
What would your ruddy correspondent suggest for action? I think a general strike would do nicely. But as an old, tired red, that’s my solution to most any problem. Simple idea, fiendishly difficult to organize.
My fellow tipplers, I give you my toast for this eve. As the Wobblies used to say, “If all us workers would spit, the bosses would drown.” To solidarity.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 16 2014 3:17 utc | 125

PS to CDH @ 77 —
I thought I did pretty good with that last toast, didn’t want to spoil the moment.
What do you do? I mean, what actual political activity have you done? I don’t have to agree with the cause, but what face-to-face organizing experience do you have? Run for class president, organize a local “free thinkers” society? Oh, your important blogging activities, riiight….. “Just words.”
I plan on sticking pretty close to MofA. Y’all are stuck with me.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 16 2014 3:34 utc | 126

to malooga, like james @ 104, hope you stick with it. Not totally a disinterested gesture, I volunteered you to explain Donald Trump…. There’s a post comparing him to the oligarchs in the Ukr. thread.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 16 2014 3:39 utc | 127

@104 – James
Peter Lee frequently post on his own little corner of the web: http://chinamatters.blogspot.jp and also on ATOL, Counterpunch,… Interesting guy, more so about East & Central Asia than West Asia. Like with everything you read, take with the proverbial grain of salt.
@120 – Don Bacon
Ditto… I suspect ISIS/IS/Daesh would make minced meat out of the KSA armies.

I was wondering – why would the US move training camps for the “moderate” Syrian rebels to KSA, away from Jordan? Is that to have boots on the ground in KSA to protect it from ISIS?

Posted by: Philippe | Sep 16 2014 7:43 utc | 128

Interesting reactions. All this BS coz 3 wasps have been executed? They had been sold by a Syrian “rebel group” to another group gathering in iraq for the big one. But what about the dozens crucified or decapitated in Syria for the last 3 years (and in Iraq for that matter in the latest decade, just ask any Iraqi Christian he’ll cite you a case)? They were not wasp, and time was not ripe yet to create Kurdistan for good (not that it has been dropped from the menu but the Turks were in the way while after the Syrian ‘spring’ there is enough to blackmail the Turks for a century).
As for IS being entirely under control of the usual suspects, I really wonder if the people think that if they could ask any of these teen zombies recruited over a chatroom who got his plane ticket and pocket money in Brussel or London, those would aknowledge and explain they are brainless pawns. Which does not mean that at some higher grades you couldn’t find some intel operatives, after all for years Hamas has been striking when it was best for the Likuds’s interest (i’m not talking of the two latest rows).
It sounds to me like the usual anthem “the US and Israhell know everythin’… they are soooo smart, sooo well-equipped, sooo modern”.
Garbage, they are not. And if one think that the so-called Sunni tribes (and any Arab tribal member boasting his tribal links over his national duties) have no feeling about revenge after the use of depleted uranium resulting in disformed babies and extra disease, they have no clue about this society.
BTW French radio yesterday was boasting that the campaign against IS had already started with French plane spying above Iraq as the conference was launching. So as usual, there was not much to discuss.
Lavrov’s speech at the conference is a must read.

Posted by: Mina | Sep 16 2014 9:22 utc | 129