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September 20, 2014
Open Thread 2014-22
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Zero Hedge has a post with Ukraine saying Russia used a tactical nuke on the Luhansk airport. Sounds like Ukraine wants some NATO nukes. Posted by: therevolutionwas | Sep 20 2014 18:18 utc | 1 Posted by: therevolutionwas | Sep 20, 2014 2:18:37 PM | 1 Posted by: jo6pac | Sep 20 2014 18:51 utc | 2 US Army Secretary John McHugh warns Russia over the crisis in Ukraine as US troops hold war games in the country. He said “bigger nations “must never be allowed to bully the small, or impose their will at the barrel of a gun”. http://www.presstv.com/detail/379287.html I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, that mad General in Dr Strangelove has nothing on this lunatic. Posted by: harry law | Sep 20 2014 19:24 utc | 3 From The Automatic Earth – Debt Rattle Sep 19 2014: Scotland and the Spirit of Our Time
From Dr. Strangelove, President Merkin Muffley:
Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Sep 20 2014 20:03 utc | 4 SecArmy was actually talking about the US, wasn’t he? I was thinking about how 9/11 is frequently portrayed as my generation’s “loss of innocence” moment, similar to boomers experiencing the JFK assassination. I recall reading articles about how parents ought to broach the subject with their children to minimize the trauma. Thinking a bit harder, I was ten when videos of missiles colliding with buildings during the first gulf war were broadcast on CNN. A ten year old lacks the ability to critically interpret events of that nature, and even more importantly is actively assimilating what they see and experience as normal in order to prepare and learn coping mechanisms for the environment in which they will grow older. We’re constantly told that one war or confrontation will prevent the next, but it seems that each one grooms the next generation to accept such behavior as normal and inevitable. Posted by: IhaveLittleToAdd | Sep 20 2014 20:07 utc | 6 @ Dr. Wellington Yueh #4 @IhaveLittleToAdd #6 @8 don.. your last paragraph is an interesting thought.. it was more generally the basis for a book i just read “a bigger prize” by margaret heffernan. a quick summary of this book can be found here. Posted by: james | Sep 20 2014 21:36 utc | 9 Syrian insurgents: The other (but hardly better) side of the (takfiri) coin: Posted by: KerKaraje | Sep 20 2014 21:44 utc | 10 A reminder that this warmonger-nation will not hesitate to manufacture the reasons for, and the instigation of aggression – Posted by: chet380 | Sep 20 2014 21:50 utc | 11 Have Russian troops deployed to Eastern Ukraine? If so, how many? When? Are they still there? Posted by: Mark | Sep 20 2014 22:33 utc | 12 @12 If Russian troops were there, Obama would be presenting the evidence at the UN himself. Our politicians are unhinged because sticking it to Putin was supposed to be easy. When Putin failed to overreact and the brute force tactics of Kiev didn’t lead to success, the West has gone into a panic. They don’t want to be perceived as weak because if they are governments outside of NATO will be free to join a BRIICS relationship or for regional blocs which can’t be pushed around by NATO in their backyard. Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 20 2014 23:11 utc | 13 What is the role of Morocco and their foreign policy in the world nowadays? Posted by: Moroccan | Sep 21 2014 0:17 utc | 14 Read Stephen Kinzer’s “Overthrow : Americas century of regime change from Hawaii to Iraq .” Been going on for a long time. Posted by: Montanamaven | Sep 21 2014 0:53 utc | 15 All this crapola on ISIS, ISIL or IS or whatever the hell they are (not Muslims). I have a feeling they are a diversion fro AQ. While our chappies are busy feeding us fear-based steel-cut oatmeal to keep us regular, AQ is off the shit-stick for the duration of Western obsession with beheaders worse than their forbears. Rope-a-dope makes us stung by the bees while we’re busy with the butterfly net. Posted by: Ben Franklin | Sep 21 2014 1:32 utc | 16 @ 15: Thanks for the Kinzer reminder (“Overthrow” the book). Some who frequent these threads, should read the book. Posted by: ben | Sep 21 2014 2:04 utc | 17 “Events that are happening in the world today don’t just come out of nowhere.” re the Luhansk airport bombing, wasn’t there a ‘fully discredited’ false flag leak about this w the US ambassador’s approval, months ago – where there was some specification not to destroy anything but out-of-service planes…surely someone here remembers. The US ambassador it was linked to was a real guy, a young up and comer who was married to another US ambassador in Kiev…I’m drawing a blank. It was relegated to CT territory but as usual the attention span for such things, such pattern recognition, is SHAMEFUL. Posted by: L Bean | Sep 21 2014 2:38 utc | 19 The discourse now is shifting back to Islamophobia and the evangelical “Israel alliance”. Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2014 4:33 utc | 20 @ 18: A nice collection of Kinzer videos, thanks! Mucho food for thought. Posted by: ben | Sep 21 2014 4:47 utc | 21 @Don Bacon 8: Posted by: Catlady | Sep 21 2014 4:55 utc | 22 @chet380 continuing on with the 911 inside job theme that over-ran the scotland independence thread.. interview with Prof. Diana Ralph: There’s Little Doubt That the US Was Involved in the 9/11 Attacks.. Posted by: james | Sep 21 2014 5:20 utc | 24 Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Sep 21 2014 5:40 utc | 25 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 20, 2014 4:25:32 PM | 8 Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2014 6:02 utc | 26 Start thinking about a form of progress reports regarding the War-on-Syria, which would be carried out via press conferences by the Pentagon, sec. of defence or by Obama himself: Posted by: DanE | Sep 21 2014 6:10 utc | 27 Posted by: harry law | Sep 20, 2014 3:24:35 PM | 3 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 21 2014 6:16 utc | 28 There it is – German MH17 victims take Ukraine to the European Court for Human Rights – in German. Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2014 7:16 utc | 29 This is a trap:
Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 7:35 utc | 30 @somebody #29:
The Russians have been making that obvious legal point all along. I’m glad that some German citizens are now using that legal argument, and that the right-wing rag Bild is reporting that. I am appaled that this rt article Posted by: Mina | Sep 21 2014 8:24 utc | 32 Assange interview by RT yesterday: Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 9:11 utc | 33 Posted by: Mina | Sep 21, 2014 4:24:32 AM | 32 Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2014 9:23 utc | 34 Mina, I think this is wishful thinking by Barber:
Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 9:29 utc | 35 (Reuters)The war in eastern Ukraine, which has had more impact on the European economy than any news coming out of Frankfurt or Brussels, appears to be ending. Despite the sporadic attacks that have wrecked previous ceasefire attempts. Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 9:40 utc | 36 Different take by Bhadrakumar: Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 10:20 utc | 37 http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/ukraine-sitrep-september-20-2334.html Posted by: Harry | Sep 21 2014 11:33 utc | 38 The Turkish gov getting closer to IS? Posted by: Mina | Sep 21 2014 11:36 utc | 39 #35 I agree of course. Barber was among the people who believed in the “moderate clerics” who had started to gather “mild djihadists” in Morocco and Jordan to go fight in Syria and remove al Asad. Neither will he say a word about the possible deep state behind the whole Iraqi mess, justifying a war they were not able to launch no matter how many provocations on Hezbollah, the Palestinians, the Iranians, etc. Posted by: Mina | Sep 21 2014 11:43 utc | 40 Mina, it’s also possible that Barber is promoting bombing/attacts because he’s wanting any kind of military action from US/allies/etc regardless if Yazidis or other civilians are killed. Landis is a known CIA asset, and Barber probably as well. Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 12:19 utc | 42 Posted by: Mina | Sep 21, 2014 7:44:39 AM | 41 Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2014 12:32 utc | 43 My feeling is that Putin is playing a grand game of delay. Certainly Russia is prepared to directly respond but with pin point actions. The oft referred to judo moves (using your opponents weight and actions against them) seems appropriate if you look out 5 years. I believe the US is going to look very different in 5 years, particularly as the frac’ing boom collapses and finances continue to worsen. Rather than reacting now Putin and China are letting the US drain itself, and that needs to be done carefully so not to instill too desperate a panic from the American elite. Posted by: Peter | Sep 21 2014 13:30 utc | 44 The first tranche of IMF funds (actually the nth but the first under Poroshenko) has been for a good part mysteriously ‘disapeared’ like all the others. Posted by: Noirette | Sep 21 2014 14:44 utc | 45 @38 harry.. i read that saker post and concluded the same as you… saker seems overly optimistic.. on the other hand – @44 peter.. that might be the case, but i doubt much will change in 5 years. Posted by: james | Sep 21 2014 15:31 utc | 46 Ukraine. De-escalation for the moment, as I said long ago. Putin and Obama wanted nothing of this mess. The fire was lit in Ukraine by neo-con (+ other, whatever) factions, and it didn’t work out. Kiev lost militarily in the Donbass, and that was that. Neither the EU or the US are willing (or possibly able) to help the Kiev Gvmt., they don’t want to spend any money, it is a bottomless pit with no rewards – they are also afraid of escalation and confronting Russia, not to mention business and corporate interests in the sacro-sanct ‘economy’, which play a role as well. Posted by: Noirette | Sep 21 2014 15:54 utc | 47 @45/47 noirette. thanks for your comments. i note on the slavyangrad.org site an interesting exchange in the comment section towards the bottom of this article with a few folks that relates directly to my comments on peters theory @44.. check it out for anyone interested.. Posted by: james | Sep 21 2014 16:09 utc | 48 Nesweyan soinds like Federov:
Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 17:14 utc | 49 adding:
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But like Federov he won’t name the betrayers. Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 21 2014 17:21 utc | 50 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/20/us-libya-security-idUSKBN0HF0LX20140920 Posted by: Mina | Sep 21 2014 18:00 utc | 51 @Harry: “rest of the Ukraine: liberation and full de-Nazificaton” Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2014 20:47 utc | 52 “a significant part of the contemporary Russian elite are common compradors that have nothing in common with the country other than the fact that it is from Russia itself that they pump their subcutaneous wellbeing” Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2014 20:51 utc | 53 @somebody: ” You don’t compete in the military, you obey orders.” Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2014 21:17 utc | 54 Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21, 2014 5:17:51 PM | 54 Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2014 21:23 utc | 55 http://catcherinthelie.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-traitors-amongst-us/ Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2014 22:00 utc | 56 Good post on rising food prices in Ukraine from Voice of Sevastapol. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2014 22:08 utc | 57 cryptome is a little suspect as far as I’m concerned. But they do often post some vital primary source data.
The DoD is always a few steps behind the CIA of course. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2014 0:12 utc | 58 interesting blog focusing on the phase change of the “frozen north” contra sun irradiation declining because of the wobbly epicenter of the planet Posted by: Jay M | Sep 22 2014 0:49 utc | 59 via Julian Assange (at 17:30) Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2014 3:54 utc | 60 Russian Spring
Question: A lot of information about atrocities the punitive troops subject the local population. What is combatant reaction?
Posted by: Fete | Sep 22 2014 5:00 utc | 61 ha ha, guest77 at 52 you are right about Poroshenko, but he is in way about his head. Posted by: Noirette | Sep 22 2014 14:14 utc | 62 willy wimmer, longterm member of the bundestag and a national security guy (was responsible for absorbing the GDR armed forces into the bundeswehr), discusses a NATO network in major german news outlets, among other things (article in german). point of note: the 1999 war against serbia aimed at correcting a fault by gen. eisenhower from 1944, in that he did not station US troops in the region. Posted by: persiflo | Sep 22 2014 14:41 utc | 63 I have to admit, I was skeptical about Evgeny Fedorov’s take on internal fifth column groups and the AI faction being possible tools in the proxy war with the U.S. Yet, Putin’s message to internal challengers and external provocateurs could not be any clearer. Posted by: thirsty | Sep 22 2014 16:05 utc | 64 Transnistria (no border with Russia, and no access to the sea) has been begging to join Russia – or at least the Customs Union, now rebaptised Eurasian Union, for a long time. In 2006 a referendum was held (as in Crimea) and 90+% voted to join Russia. Russia has never accepted this appeal or hinted that it might do so in the future, afaik. Transnistria is the ‘richer’ and perhaps ‘more stable’ Eastern minuscule strip region of Moldova, the ex – Soviet Republic. Posted by: Noirette | Sep 22 2014 18:34 utc | 65 Thanks Noirette, always very interesting. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 23 2014 3:58 utc | 66 Russian Spring
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Posted by: Fete | Sep 23 2014 4:35 utc | 67 Samatha Power speaks: Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 23 2014 14:44 utc | 68 Michail Khodorkovsky wants to take on Putin: Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 23 2014 14:48 utc | 69 Russian Spring
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Posted by: Fete | Sep 24 2014 4:27 utc | 70 It seems the US has lost its influence in Jemen, as the current president Saleh is ousted. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 24 2014 20:21 utc | 71 Peter van Buren (former State Department) doesn’t like at all the returning of the US back to Iraq. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 24 2014 20:24 utc | 72 Another way to not win the “hearts & minds” in Yemen: Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 24 2014 20:29 utc | 73 Hillary Clinton ordered a purge of the State Department files. Seems she fears those files contain some “unfavourable” information regarding her decisions related to the mess in Libya & Benghazi. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 24 2014 20:34 utc | 74 “US strikes don’t stop ISIS” ? Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 24 2014 23:11 utc | 75 “Civil war in Yemen” ? or just fear mongering ? Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 24 2014 23:43 utc | 76 Russian Spring
Journalist remarks: Decreasing intensity of the fight after the Minsk Memorandum is very relative. That is, through the past day the fight in area of Peski (next to the airport) lasted less by 2 hours.
Posted by: Fete | Sep 25 2014 4:17 utc | 77 Senator McCain met with Syrian rebels. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 25 2014 6:23 utc | 78 Here’s an informative essay on the “Russian World”, which explains how the Russian Federation works as a multicultural state. It should be required reading for all Russophobes. (I don’t mean anyone by MoA by that.)
So, unlike Western imperial powers, Russia follows the Prime Directive. This is the self-understanding of Russians of Russia. It is why when Russians understand their own culture, they cannot be nationalists. I think this rosy view of the Russian state is realistic, since it explains how Russia manages to rule such a huge amount of territory, with hundreds of different peoples.
Russians have had their fill of revolutions. Three revolutions (two in 1917 and one in 1989) are enough for any people. Russian Spring
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Question: What is Kiev attitude to the exchange by prisoners?
Posted by: Fete | Sep 26 2014 5:13 utc | 80 Ferguson is our “libertarian moment,” but not in the way some libertarians want you to believe — Nice piece of reporting on the US return to the 1930’s by Mark Ames. Francis Fukuyama: “America is in decay”. (You don’t say ……….) Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 27 2014 0:05 utc | 83 The US prepares a new offensive against Boko Haram in Nigeria. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 27 2014 0:26 utc | 84 Russian Spring
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Posted by: Fete | Sep 27 2014 4:52 utc | 85 “Washington strategy for Central Asia & western China”. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 27 2014 18:15 utc | 86 Lots of links to developments in Central Asia: Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 27 2014 18:21 utc | 87 Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Sep 28 2014 5:19 utc | 89 Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Sep 29 2014 4:29 utc | 90 About the growing unrest in Libya. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 29 2014 18:14 utc | 91 prologue…. Posted by: denk | Sep 30 2014 3:28 utc | 92 Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Sep 30 2014 4:16 utc | 93 ISIS steps up shelling of the kurdish town of Kobani Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 30 2014 22:27 utc | 94 ISIS is one hour away from Baghdad and there’s heavy fighting going on. Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 30 2014 23:00 utc | 95 Patrick Cockburn: Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 30 2014 23:07 utc | 96 Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Oct 1 2014 3:46 utc | 97 I feel that candidates of all parties who stand a reasonable chance at winning their respective races this year will have to appeal to the center of the country. In my opinion, the US voters are more in lockstep with each other when it comes to matters of the economy, matters of war and peace and the general state of the countries infrastructure. They are hurting financially and that does not carry a political stripe. This years mid term candidates will need to stay clear of far wing political wedge issues and put forth viable ideas and plans to be implemented to pull the 99% out of the financial tailspin it has been in since 2007-8. It has been 7 years and the 99% financial situation is getting worse. Congress is going to have to represent all of America, not just the chosen well heeled few. Posted by: really | Oct 1 2014 19:27 utc | 98 So my hope for this years mid term election and the upcoming presidential election in 2016 is that . . . Posted by: anonymous | Oct 1 2014 19:55 utc | 99 Ebola crisis response: Cuba sends doctors, US deploys troops
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