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September 4, 2014
Do European Governments Buy Overpriced Steel From Ukrainian Oligarchs?

Anonymous Europe, allegedly some hacker group, claims in a video uploaded three days ago to have letters from officials near the German chancellor Merkel to officials in Poland. The letters are about deals of buying hundreds of thousand tons of Ukrainian steel from Ukrainian oligarchs at above market prices. Other countries supposed to buy overpriced Ukrainian steel are Italy, Hungary and Bulgaria.

I have no idea if these claims are true and the copies of the letters shown are legit. The uploaded video seems to have only some 820 views so far which seems very low.

If these claims are true there will certainly be some scandal about this abuse of taxpayer money for bribing Ukrainian oligarchs and subsidizing the coup government in Ukraine.

(Screenshots of the letters below the fold.)



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Comments

flashy video. thanks for pointing it out.
on the topic of supporting the kiev junta, i note in the kiev post taken from a rueters article the following “NEWPORT, Wales – It is up to individual NATO members to decide whether to supply arms to Ukraine, which is battling an armed revolt by pro-Russian separatists, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said on Sept. 4.”
why is it okay for nato members to supply arms to kiev, and not russia to help the eastern ukraine folks? nato members are down with a civil war in which they can share in the glory, or murder, or whatever they are going to spin in the msm?

Posted by: james | Sep 4 2014 19:00 utc | 1

It seems the neoliberal model vis-à-vis the IMF is working to perfection in the Ukraine.
from John Helmer
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=11289#more-11289
Shlapak (the Ukrainian Minister of Finance)… his background as a custodian at Igor Kolomoisky’s Privat Bank, read this. For what IMF officials know about the private interests of their Ukrainian government counterparts…
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Vigilance is an alibi for the IMF’s financing for the Ukraine. Fund officials claim to be conducting their due diligence on Ukrainian compliance with the loan conditions in a transparent, publicly accountable manner; based on evidence collected by independent auditors selected openly and without conflicts of interest;… None of these claims is true.
snip
As for where the IMF money which has been paid into the Ukrainian banks has gone, the report discloses … the banking system faced large foreign currency outflows (US$3.1 billion). Capital controls likely prevented larger outflows, but were not fully effective in stemming them.”
In short, of the $3.2 billion disbursed to the Ukrainian treasury by the IMF at the start of May, $3.1 billion had disappeared offshore by the middle of August. The role of the leading Ukrainian banks, and of the Kiev officials allied with them, in arranging this was reported here.
Just when you thought the situation couldn’t get any more ludicrous, now we have the IMF covering up the corruption in the Ukrainian banking system, giving them a pass on due diligence and accepting “self-audits” as valid.
To quote Jsor: Jesus F*cking Christ !

Posted by: pantaraxia | Sep 4 2014 19:07 utc | 2

from the Helmer article:

What the technical wording conceals is the amount of extra cash that will be required to prop up the Ukrainian banks: 2.8% of GDP, according to the revised IMF estimates, amounts to between $4 and $5 billion. That must come on top of the $17.1 billion already being spent on other purposes. This table, extracted from a larger one at page 43 of the staff report, indicates by how many billion dollars the IMF loan will fall short of the estimated financing need in Kiev. The numbers also indicate why the European Union and World Bank aid programmes for the country also fall far short.
So, what do Gueorguiev, Thomsen, and Lagarde have to say to convince the IMF board that the government in Kiev isn’t already a deadbeat, the Ukrainian economy a black hole, and that no amount of money can be loaned which has a reasonable likelihood of being repaid? “Ukraine’s capacity to repay the Fund,” concludes the staff report, “remains adequate under the baseline, but is subject to exceptionally high risks.” As for those risks, the report also makes clear that the civil war must stop soon, or else the there can be no reasonable likelihood of repayment.

I recommend reading it. Lots of info on Ukraine banks and the Central Bank.

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 4 2014 19:42 utc | 3

I have no doubt they are legit. Its exactly the sort of thing the IMF has already been doing. What about the ratings agencies actually upgrading THE ukraines bond rating after it took on more debt and uncorkedp a civil war…ridiculous… dishonest, there’s no pejorative too severe for the us/eu scheming over this whole catastrophe.

Posted by: Marc | Sep 4 2014 20:32 utc | 4

So THIS is how capitalism works, eh ? I seeeeeee…German companies and workers pay a portion of their income to the German government so it can buy steel at uncompetitive prices , in order to further the geopolitical scheming of the US, which is wringing the hides of its own people, to collect money to pay large bribes to German politicians…how could I have EVER doubted the wonderous, almost divine perfection and efficiency of “the market”.

Posted by: Marc | Sep 4 2014 20:38 utc | 5

…how could I have EVER doubted the wonderous, almost divine perfection and efficiency of “the market”.

Now, that’s real satire.

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 4 2014 20:55 utc | 6

@ Okie Farmer @ 6
The answer many of the market ideologues will give is that “this isn’t capitalism” To which I will pre-respond – oh really ? The US and EU are Communist then? Splendid Comrades, the revolution is won. Why didn’t anyone tell me ? After the snark I will point out with vicious delight, that no no no no non. This IS capitalism. ACTUALLY EXISTING capitalism. Im not interested in the unicorn rainbow wonderland fantasies of “libertarians”..We must live in the real world. Not uotpias.

Posted by: Marc | Sep 4 2014 21:01 utc | 7

Rabbit Yats still earning his pellets:
Populism out, structural adjustment in.

First of all, I would like to dispel any discussions about various kinds of reform plans, that are much needed for Ukraine. These have been offered by many, at least a number of them are talked about. And everyone says that we need a strategic plan, a new, different one, much better.
The position of the Government is to avoid “reinventing the wheel”, especially, to engage in reform populism. Here is the plan of reforming the country. It has been elaborated for seven years. It was signed by the President and the Prime Minister. This plan of reforming the country is the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union. I don’t think that someone can create another more comprehensive and informative document like that.
Therefore, in terms of strategic reforms, these policy reforms take 700 pages in the document, which was being elaborated throughout 7 years, signed by Ukraine and the European Union and which should be instantly ratified.

I wonder how many Ukies have read those 700 pages. Ah the joys of veneer democracy.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 4 2014 22:02 utc | 8

I have been arguing for months that the US and western finance have numerous mechanisms to channel money into Ukraine that are invisible to “Congressional oversight”. This is just one of many. These are monies that are siphoned through legitimate public appropriations, special “emergency” funds or, more difficult to track. some federal reserve scheme that is part of quantitative easing.
The money available to Ukraine, if the US so decides, is in the $100s of billion and the US or European taxpayer, will never be able to see it.

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 4 2014 22:22 utc | 9

b. the letters are obviously bogus. For what purpose would anybody produce such rubbish?

Posted by: somebody | Sep 4 2014 22:25 utc | 10

@7
If Stalinism can be blamed on Marx, I suppose freebooting corruption can be blamed on capitalism. The latter is actually true.

Posted by: chuckvw | Sep 4 2014 22:41 utc | 11

@10 Exactly! Not once do the letters note how Putin’s legions have invaded the Sudetenland, so we know they are fake.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 4 2014 22:43 utc | 12

That’s about all the steel that will come out of Ukraine after the loss of the Donbass. Here’s a death and destruction video from NAF forces with a really funny twist. Probably planted, but it busted my gut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUBbnvhC_k&list=UU5aeU5hk31cLzq_sAExLVWg&index=39

Posted by: Thirdeye | Sep 4 2014 22:57 utc | 13

@9 “The money available to Ukraine, if the US so decides, is in the $100s of billion and the US or European taxpayer, will never be able to see it.”
The average Ukrainian probably won’t see it either.

Posted by: dh | Sep 4 2014 23:05 utc | 14

We know that “anonymous” does not have a very good track record, despite its anti-establishment, muckraker veneer. Analysts like Tarpley come right out and call it a CIA front.
So, its hard to know exactly what to to make of this. The images of people dumpster-diving due to the effects of this deal seems more than a little over the top emotionally and predictively, to say the least. The lack of specificity is remarkable too. What effect exactly is this video hoping to achieve? In any event, for the sake of argument, let’s examine the claim at face value.
Outside of directly subsidizing the oligarchs for their losses in the failed revolution, is the aim to shut down the Ukrainian manufacturing industry by commandeering its raw materials? And what would the effect be on Western producers and consumers?
Despite the myths of “free trade” under capitalism, production and value chains are actually fairly rigid structures, only evolving slowly over time and competitive constraints. Steelmaking is considered a sensitive technology for national interests, hence often in need of protection.
The attempt to tear away the Ukrainian steel industry from the former Soviet v & p chains, is bound to generate innumerable complexities, and different winners and losers. One of the big back-stories is how Russia is coping with the disruption to its vital supply chain. What is being replaced permanently, and what temporarily? Ukraine, in its heyday was one of the top three centers of metal technology in the world — and even now, is still a formidable center of knowledge and capability.
The steel market is characterized by high capital entrance costs. extreme sensitivity to energy costs (hence Russian indirect control), inelastic demand, and easy substitution. Ukrainian steel has been dependent upon Donbass coal. We know what shape the coal industry is in. Backstock will not be replaced.
Plate steel is one of the lowest value items in the supply chain. It is principally used in the auto, appliance, and shipbuilding industries. It can also be used for military manufacture, should there be a need for tanks and troop carriers. (Is there such a need in the Ukraine right now?) Does Europe expect a dramatic upturn in these industries, or will other local manufacturers find themselves forced out of business?
The trend has been for the industry to shrink by 1-2%/yr. Why the need for a new producer? By selling over-priced steel to Europe’s more marginal producers, principally in the former Eastern block, one might expect the more dominant players to benefit. The dominant producer is West Germany, with 25% of the market. Its main competitor is Italy, with a 16% share — and one of the countries targeted, according to this report. Thus, one would imagine the German steel industry to be the main beneficiary of this crony scheme.
Perhaps Merkel is not so dumb after all?

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 4 2014 23:22 utc | 15

Mariupol is home to two of Europe’s largest steelworks.
It must not fall..

Posted by: Mortlock | Sep 4 2014 23:47 utc | 16

All of the iron ore and most of the coal in the Ukraine are east of the Dnieper. They’ve already lost the Crimean iron ore. After the dust settles, Ukraine (state) steel production could be virtually nil.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Sep 5 2014 0:08 utc | 17

@15: Always appreciate your analysis, Malooga. If what you say is true, could this be a way for USA to repay Germany for it’s loyalty? Take out marginal producers, leave German industry with clear run as compensation?
If I put tin foil hat on, this might also be a German move. Do we kno if Anon is the same as Anon Eur? Might A Merkl be hoping for outcry so her hands will be tied viz future sanactions against Putin? ‘you can see the public pressure against me, herr Obama. What can I possibly do except distance myself from Yats n Porky, in order to retain my posiiton? Hope u understand’

Posted by: Thumper | Sep 5 2014 0:50 utc | 18

Rather than say “Ukraine Steel Industry” – I’d suggest substituting Victor Pinchuk.
Pinchuk is moving heaven and earth to try and get his steel pipe manufacturing empire back on track. Russia is essentially freezing it out – even before Yanukovitch left the building.
Pinchuk’s maneuverings to date – with massive above- and below- board donations to the Clintons, among others, is probably what is behind such moves. Unfortunately, it seems Pinchuk was outmaneuvered for prime position at the trough by Kolomoiski and Poroshenko (bank and chocolate subsidies, respectively)

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5 2014 1:20 utc | 19

‘c1ue’ – dead on…
Helmer had already researched an article a while back noting that Pinchuk’s steel holding were valued at over 20 times what it was really worth & seemed to getting much of vast sums he was spending on western lobby groups & celebrity causes from an elaborate insurance fraud scheme he was pulling in Russia. That got busted a while back so this seems to be the latest scam to keep him cashed up…

Some background:
Pinchuk hooked up with a bunch called ‘The Peterson Institute for International Economics’ in about 2006 – who in turn hooked him up with the Brookings Institute & Soros.
The love child of this little ménage à trois was ‘Open Ukraine: Arseniy Yatsenyuk foundation’, which created the political career of one previously unknown complete nonentity called Arseniy Yatsenyuk….
Pinchuk Foundation Partners
http://pinchukfund.org/en/about_fund/partners/
Peterson Institute Board of directors
http://www.iie.com/institute/board.cfm
Open Ukraine Partners
http://openukraine.org/en/about/partners

Posted by: KenM | Sep 5 2014 2:55 utc | 20

c1ue – thanks for that bit of info.. it is all so interesting.
http://www.jta.org/2013/02/06/news-opinion/world/jews-occupy-top-3-places-on-ukrainian-list-of-philanthropists

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2014 3:32 utc | 21

The Russians & East Ukraine were part of the Mongol Empire for 220+ years the smart Russians/Ukrainians learned Mongol tactics http://winterpatriot.com/node/921
It became quickly obvious that the militia were very effective by inflicting a disproportionate number of casualties on the junta forces and capturing arms, ammunition and heavy equipment including some tanks. The militia were organised into what is known as Saboteur-Reconnaissance Groups (SRG’s).
These are lightly armed and very mobile. They survive by not remaining in one place long enough to attract enemy artillery.
But how were they so effective against a trained army that far outnumbered them? In battle reports, a criticism kept recurring. The junta battle formations would advance without protecting their flanks and would find themselves surrounded by the NAF and in the middle of what became ‘killing fields’. But how could SRG’s do this?
Well, the SRG’s acted together in formations and these formations went undetected (it seems) by the junta forces till it was too late.
There was a very simple tactic that the Mongols used very effectively against the Medieval Europeans time and time again and it appears to me that the NAF employed the same simple tactic with the same devastating results.
The Mongols would send a group of warriors against a walled town or city and attack the gates. The local lord’s forces, who were forewarned of the Mongols’ advance, had barricaded themselves inside their siege proof walls. The local forces would rain down arrows, spears and anything they could find onto the Mongols below.
After a short while the Mongols would turn-tail and would scamper off and over the nearest hill.
The local lord seeing this would order the drawbridge lowered and would set off with his troops in pursuit of the Mongols confident he had them beat.
All went well until they rode over the hill where the Mongols had prepared a three sided trap with a much larger force.
The forth side was closed behind the arrogant and stupid lord’s forces and a massacre ensued after which the Mongols rode into the city and took uncontested possession of it.
I think this is exactly what the NAF have done with the junta forces.
The NAF would engage the junta army with a SRG and then retreat causing the Kiev knuckleheads to follow in hot pursuit stretching their supply lines, leaving their flanks unprotected and into the killing field set for them.
They did this time and again. These traps became known as “cauldrons”. All this was done with very few men.
It was often remarked that the NAF forces were made up of middle aged men. “Where were the young men who should be along side them fighting for their land and families?”
They were in Russia. Many families which included young men were evacuated to the Rostov area of Russia where, once their young families were safe, they were trained by the Russian armed forces to return to Novorossia when the time came.
It was all part of an overall strategy that proved costly but devastatingly effective during WW11.
While Russian forces with little equipment and ammunition held on for interminable months of siege in major Russian cities such as Leningrad and Stalingrad, the Soviet government was training and equipping divisions of troops in the east.
When the siege defenders were almost done (and hence maximum damage and exhaustion extracted from the Germans) the fresh divisions stormed westward and overran the German army.
The same strategy was employed in this Ukrainian civil war but in a much more limited and condensed way. When the time came to go from the SRG/Mongol tactic to the WW11 offensive strategy, Strelkov was relieved of command to make way for a whole new command group that had been trained along with the newly trained Novorossian volunteers.
Alexander Zakharchenko and Vladimir Kononov took over and announced the arrival of 1200 trained volunteers to the ranks (I think it is safe to say that there are many more than 1200 and that there are even more on the way).
These volunteers were trained in operating tanks and artillery. The offensive was about to begin.
The junta forces have all been drawn to the east of Ukraine and have been decimated. By the time the offensive is complete, there will likely be no Ukrainian Army or other “punitive” forces in effective existence.
This will leave the way open for the Novorossians, like the Mongols before them, to stroll into Kiev without resistance.
The US had finally twigged to what was about to go down and started scrambling to save at least some territory in Ukraine.
All sorts of people started to say that federalisation of Ukraine wasn’t such a bad idea, after all, including Angela Merkel most recently.

Posted by: www.MythFighter.com | Sep 5 2014 3:44 utc | 22

I guess it must be true, bc when you read that Oettinger is scheduled as Trade commissioner from the EU to be the negotiator for TTIP then it’s easy to understand that Merkel will destroy Germany. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bruessel-Leak-Oettinger-soll-Freihandelsabkommen-TTIP-verhandeln-2345008.html

Posted by: Robert | Sep 5 2014 3:50 utc | 23

Russian Spring
09/04/2014-20:11
From the Army of South-East:

Donetsk.
The fascist artillery continued shelling residential quarters and infrastructure of Donetsk… Shelling continued in Makeevka, Gorlovka, Enakiyevo as well.
After assault by artillery on opponent’s positions in area of Debal`tsevo, having incurred serious losses in personnel and hardware, the forces of National Guard and Ukrainian military began retreat north and north-west…
Measures are being implemented for liquidating saboteur-reconnaissance groups south-east of Donetsk (settlements Stila, Komsomol`skoye, Razdol`noye)…
Fierce fight was reported near Volnovakha – the opponent attempted a breach of a potentially new encirclement under Elenovka (Elenovka, Stila, Volnovakha – south-west of Donetsk).
Towards Mariupol`, the combatants have advanced and consolidate position along frontiers of settlements Shirokino-Kominternovo. Clashes were reported in this area to breach combatants’ line near settlement Bezimyannoye.
Lugansk.
The combatants deal with scattered uncoordinated groups of Ukarainian forces; in particular, fights to liquidate such groups were reported in areas of Lutugino and Shishkovo.
The junta forces continue to retreat and consolidate in settlements Veselaya Gora and Schast’ye (Lugansk immediate north). The combatants claimed north-east settlements Krasiy Yar (Red Ravine) and Zheltoye (Yellow). The opponent mined key elements infrastructure there. Combatants do clearing.
In Schast`ye battalion Aidar was mining a dam of a local electric power plant.

Posted by: Fete | Sep 5 2014 4:06 utc | 24

from ex-NATO military intelligence Army captain (who gives a balanced & pro-militia view) who gave & gives accurate analysis (his predictions since July have been true) of how the Ukraine forces were lured into traps/cauldrons, encircled & destroyed
as
well the the 1,000s of East Ukrainians that fled to Russia as refugees were then trained in Russia to operate tanks/artillery & returned for the current offensive (Militia commanders said their forces QUADRUPLED from it)
http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-ukraine-rope-dope.html & http://winterpatriot.com/node/921
Rather than recognize what should have been the obvious, the Ukraine government continued with the policy of “not giving one inch” and remained in place, trying all the time to crush the will to defend by massive artillery strikes on cities.
However, just like Hitler did to his Generals, notably the 6th in Stalingrad, the Ukraine government refused to give ground to a more favorable position.
The result of that somewhat reckless decision is now the same result Hitler found – encircled forces.
At the time of this post there are 9 encircled formations of Ukraine troops with an estimated total strength of 20,000. For an army the size of Ukraine’s, this number represents a decisive loss.
What makes matters worse is the knowledge that the units now trapped, and the ones trapped prior to this and already eliminated, represent the entire core of Ukraine’s professional army.
The situation in north and central Luhansk is essentially a standoff, with neither side making any bold moves at this point. It has become a static front.
The same applies to the west of Donetsk city. Ukraine continues to try and make fruitless attempts to cut off Gorlovka, north of Donetsk, from the rear. The result has been mixed, and has resulted in high casualties with no tangible reward.
It is to the south of both Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts (provinces), lined by the Russian border, where Ukraine has suffered the most dramatic and catastrophic losses – in men and position.
It began with several Ukraine brigades being trapped in the “South Pocket” along the Russian border, and ended with approximately 1500 soldiers being released back to Ukraine with 10,000 missing.
It also resulted in the capture of large amounts of Ukraine tanks, and more importantly artillery.
With the essential destruction of the Ukraine air force, artillery on both sides has become the tool for battlefield dominance.
That brings us to today, and tomorrow.
Having tied up a large percentage of Ukraine troops at the north and central fronts, and with Ukraine thus far refusing to withdraw to positions more defensible with fewer troops, the NAF has moved in the South.
Essentially, the move came from near the Russian border two days ago, including an amphibious landing just east of Mariupol on Ukraine’s south coast.
Simultaneously, NAF units in Donetsk city counterattacked toward the South.
The resulting squeeze caused a large Ukraine retreat, but not before two more large pockets of trapped troops were created. At the time of this post Mariupol is surrounded on two sides, with the western resupply/escape route being rapidly closed.
NAF units are fanning along the north of Mariupol in an attempt to block Ukraine units from moving south to intercept advancing NAF forces.
The goal appears to be the City of Melitopol. From there the NAF have quick access to the Crimean border (Russia) and the Dnieper River cities to the north.
I call this the “Left Hook”. Basically a very large flanking maneuver. Having sustained all the blows the Ukraine army could throw at it, the NAF is now countering an exhausted foe – hence the title “Rope a Dope”.
With Ukraine’s entire rear exposed, including all the way to the capital Kiev, it will have no choice but to rapidly withdraw West, and re-position forces to its southern rear.
That opens the door for the NAF to easily move West, and that is where the next move comes – the “right uppercut” if you will.
The NAF will then be in position to move on Kharkiv city, and the oblast in general – in the North.
It will be free to advance in the centre and bypass (if still heavily defended) or capture Slavyansk and area moving directly to the City of Dnepropetrovsk on the Dnieper River – which is to become the new westerly border of a new Novorossyia (New Russia).
The last front to be explained is the Kherson/Odessa areas. Once the NAF capture and secure Melitopol, the Ukraine defences along the Crimea border are exposed from the rear.
At that time the separatist region of Moldova, Transnistria, which houses Russian and “Transnistria Self-Defence Forces”, is likely to strike southward toward Odessa.
All these moves combined mean a few things.
Firstly, it appears that although there are peace or cease fire talks ongoing, they are likely for show at best.
Secondly it means that Ukraine will cease to function as a country.
Its already desperate financial position will be crippled by the loss of one half of the country – the most resource rich part.
Thirdly it means that Ukraine will become landlocked and essentially a new “pocket – like” area.
If NATO were to move into this area, they would be surrounded on three sides by Russia, Novorossyia, and Belarus. It would be indefensible.
Therefore, Ukraine, or what’s left of it, turns into an economically barren no mans land between East and West.
In any case, the “Mouse Trap” is done, the “Rope a Dope” is done, and now it’s time for the “Left-Right” combination punches. I understand Putin is a judo champ, and he may have a judo analogy for this, but for now this is mine.

Posted by: www.MythFighter.com | Sep 5 2014 4:21 utc | 25

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Sep 4, 2014 6:43:03 PM | 12
:-))
spot the nonsense
1) the oligarch names – ever heard there are “offshore holdings”? – these people don’t own steel …
… fill in the rest
this video is made by stupid people for the stupid.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 5:26 utc | 26

No doubt special deals like this – at the expense of social programs – flow to NATO “allies” all over the world.
The “miracle” of Poland was occurred by pumping some $350 Billion dollars into the country. $350 Billion that has led to increasing poverty among much the population there (another good example of the disconnect between a healthy “economy” and a healthy population).
But that largess was handed out in times of the mythical boom. No way can the EU offer similar support to the Ukraine.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2014 7:01 utc | 27

@25 Excellent, looking forward to the advance. This is a real army, a people’s army.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2014 7:05 utc | 28

“Analysts like Tarpley come right out and call it a CIA front.”
@Malooga
I listen to Tarpley, but he can often make poor analysis based on his biases – one of which is a sense that Obama is under attack and must be saved, another is a bizarre love of the Pope.
In the case of Anonymous and Snowden, his attacks are related to that he somehow sees them as a front used to attack Obama, which to me is ridiculous.
Of course anyone can claim to be part of “Anonymous”. And a great many “anyones” do. So it is widely open to being used as cover for state actions, no doubt. But if we look at some of the impressive things they have done – the Lulzsec attacks brought down more than one FBI federal contractor (neé Mercenary group) and they had other big successes. On the whole, I have found their actions to be more often coming from the right place – anti-Empire – than not.
To me Tarpley is, first and foremost, an entertainer and historian. He is often right, but quite often wrong. And he has some outlandish “weaponized” theories which seem to me to be constructed not for putting out facts, but for achieving an end.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5 2014 7:17 utc | 29

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 5, 2014 3:01:50 AM | 27
Look, it is completely stupid. Ukrainian, Russian oligarchs park their fortunes in tax havens like London and the Netherlands, ie capital flows go from “the provinces” to the capitals, not the other way round.
Kick backs are derived from resources obtained under price not over price ie civil servants of the selling state cream off the differential of market price to the price political power allows them to accumulate the stuff in their home country. That is why there is such a vicious oligarch fight in Ukraine.
US/Europe blackmail Ukrainian oligarchs in many ways and they are highly susceptible as that is where their money is.
There is a very simple question – What could Akhmetov or Taruta possibly do for Ms Merkel? She is not corrupt, but bribes would only make sense the other way round.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 8:36 utc | 30

@somebody #30:
If Merkel wasn’t corrupt, she wouldn’t have imposed a new round of sanctions on Russia after MH17 was downed, because she knows that the junta did it.

Posted by: Demian | Sep 5 2014 9:09 utc | 31

Posted by: Demian | Sep 5, 2014 5:09:25 AM | 31
Where is the logic? Surely, Russia would have had the money to bribe her? Remember that Gazprom had a very good job for her predecessor.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 9:27 utc | 32

So you’re saying that the reason that Merkel is going along with the fiction that the Ukrainian rebels downed MH17 is because the Russians didn’t give her a big enough bribe?

Posted by: Demian | Sep 5 2014 9:43 utc | 33

I am sceptical.
Where would this steel go, who would use it? And how much steel can Ukraine produce with the civil war going on?
If the aim is to bribe oligarchs, there should be easier ways that does not disrupt existing chains of production. Just put the money in the oligarchs off-shore accounts.

Posted by: a swedish kind of death | Sep 5 2014 10:11 utc | 34

Nik Ivanovsky via Google+11 hours ago
A proponent of “evromaydana” Ukrainian singer Ruslana together with Colonel General Vladimir Ruban, director of the Center for the exchange of prisoners of war, visited Donetsk, which is under the control of the militia. A well-known activist for the European integration of Ukraine was shocked by what he saw. For the entire trip star of show business never saw Russian troops reported by Western and Ukrainian media, and Prime DNR Alexander Zaharchenko persuaded the singer that the militia do not want bloodshed in their native land.
“I’m shocked. I came and saw the shells fly in his, – said Ruslan. – I have not heard Poroshenko. When I arrived in the Donbass, I heard Zaharchenko. ”
Ariane Daladier @ArianeDaladier Sep 3
The Maidan leader,Ruslana,changed her mind and supports DNR PM Zaharchenko after her visit to Donetsk http://youtu.be/rGU2mSExItg

Posted by: brian | Sep 5 2014 10:24 utc | 35

Posted by: Demian | Sep 5, 2014 5:43:34 AM | 33
You are silly. You read German? This is what Merkel
said on MH17
Very likely you also find different quotes. Like Putin and Obama she is a politician. And sometimes people get misquoted intentionally.
Facts are not what politicians are about. As analysed here by a comedian and an actress (in German)
politicians are about putting on a show.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 10:28 utc | 36

Sure. I don’t think anybody can bribe an oligarch. That is one of the advantages of a lot of money. Oligarchs bribe people, it is not the other way round.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 10:30 utc | 37

Danger ahead for Russia?
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-09-05/#69960

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 5 2014 10:47 utc | 38

@27 What a stunning nonsense, written by someone who apparently never visited Poland… Since 1990 Poland has grown into one of the fastest developing countries, both in economical and social spheres. Polish economy is now one of the biggest exporters within EU and outside – including the fact that it now feeds majority of Russia, Belarussia and Ukraine, whose farming and economy is still deep in post-communist indifference. In social sphere Polish educational system has one of the best results in PISA educational surveys, percentage of higher education, public health services etc – all of them close to Western democracies and most of them highest among post-communist countries.

Posted by: Pole | Sep 5 2014 10:59 utc | 39

39
Great a new user all of a sudden? So what your other nicknames you are using here? “Another jeff”? “misty6”?

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 5 2014 12:52 utc | 40

This is so stupid:
Militias sign ceasefire with junta.
http://rt.com/news/185396-ukraine-ceasefire-russia-militia/
When ceasefire is over, the militias will of course get smashed by junta.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 5 2014 12:54 utc | 41

@41 You don’t think Poroshenko has learned anything? He has been outclassed. His army is no match for the militia. NATO will not be helping. Ukraine will lose more territory if he doesn’t see reason.

Posted by: dh | Sep 5 2014 13:33 utc | 42

dh
Learnt? He got his ceasefire, its a win for him, he wont give the rebels any state or more power to rule themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 5 2014 13:52 utc | 43

@41
“…”Mariupol is a strategic point. If we lose it then we could lose the entire coastline, the whole south of Ukraine,” said Tatyana Chronovil, a prominent Ukrainian activist at a mustering point for the volunteer Azov Battalion on the eastern edge of the city….”
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=fynDmBNM&src=cat&dbid=289563&dbname=Headlines&detailindex=0
Yeah I kind of agree. I don’t trust kiev/US. They are going to restart hostilities towards the rebels once they regroup and get lethal assistance/intelligence from the USG on the ground and up and running. Absolute mistake. Rebels should have pressed on to take Mariupol and get the bridge with Crimea. Although humanely acceptable to give civilians a needed reprieve, this ceasefire only benefits USG/KIEv, they will break the ceasefire when the time is appropriate.

Posted by: really | Sep 5 2014 13:57 utc | 44

@44 They will keep trying but only if they think the militia is weak. Fogh Rasmussen got it right…..for the wrong reasons, “What counts is what is actually happening on the ground,”

Posted by: dh | Sep 5 2014 14:03 utc | 45

I think Poroshenko only signed because Mariupol was threatened. It still is. And I’m wondering what happens now to those Ukie soldiers…..mercs etc. that were trapped in Donetsk airport.

Posted by: dh | Sep 5 2014 14:06 utc | 46

Ukraine steel pipes are used in pipeline construction and maintenance.
There are thousands of miles of existing pipelines, very likely tens of thousands.
In addition, there are any number of pipeline projects: North Stream (partially completed), South Stream (in progress), Nabucco, etc etc
In no small part due to the US/EU pipeline projects falling by the wayside – Pinchuk has been suffering, because his bet on these other projects backfired with respect to his original core business to Russia – both direct exports due to understandable Russian reaction and due to sales to pipeline maintenance in the Ukraine falling due to government falling apart.
As for Poland – I echo the sentiment of guest77. 200 billion euros was paid into the Polish economy to modernize it. 500 billion euros for East Germany. The cost to modernize Ukraine would be somewhere in the middle – I just don’t see where that money can come from when the EU won’t even cough up 10 billion euros to bail out its own member states.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5 2014 14:11 utc | 47

I’ll wait for ceasefire details. Initial reaction – its a mistake, there are two possible outcomes IMO:
1) Even if Ukies would give Novorossia wide autonomy or even leave, junta will consolidate their grip on the rest of South-East regions, thus Novorossia will be just two regions (or less, if going by current “facts on the ground”).
2) Greater probability is, US will press their puppets to continue war, and Ukies will use ceasefire to prepare and arm (with NATO help and with better field commanders) new divisions and then break the ceasefire (blaming partisans, ofc), fighting will be much tougher for Novorossia. Ukie will prepare better defense on Novorossia borders and freeing other regions will be much more difficult too.
Bottom line, IMO Novorossia should have maximized their breakthrough, milking panic retreat of Ukies as much as possible. After most (or all) of South-East is freed, THEN negotiations would have been much more favorable to Novorossia.

Posted by: Harry | Sep 5 2014 14:56 utc | 48

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5, 2014 10:11:43 AM | 47
Sorry Nord Stream AG is owned by Gazprom (51%), German Wintershall and German EON – Germany produces steel, and Poland exports steel, too, it would be weird to import it except were it much cheaper. As a matter of fact, the EU subsidizes its old steel industries.’ So yes the German tax payer pays for steel but via EU subsidies for jobs in Germany.
Ukraine is a rich country, without IMF debt, without proxy wars, just by taxing their oligarchy, with an efficient non-corrupt government, they could easily pay for themselves.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 15:06 utc | 49

The chancellery fixing steel prices on their letter head?
NOT LIKELY.
Prices would be buried in a trade agreement that would be referred to.
Given the EU’s prerogative on price fixing it is all the more dubious.
Maybe the guys in Langley are bored -or worried about Merkel’s machinations.

Posted by: Heinz | Sep 5 2014 15:19 utc | 50

Posted by: Harry | Sep 5, 2014 10:56:19 AM | 48
To choose the “military solution” presumably was a mistake.
This here is Mark Sleboda – he is no friend of the West.

“Longer term, the situation looks worse for Putin. Russia may have already lost the Ukrainian people; as recently as 2011 84% of the population held a favorable view of Russia with only 11% holding a negative one. As of a few months ago, 60% of Ukrainians viewed Russia badly with only 35% having a positive view. Considering that Ukraine is the birthplace of Russian civilization, Putin looks to have lost the PR war [read: memetic war].”

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 15:30 utc | 51

“…Bottom line, IMO Novorossia should have maximized their breakthrough, milking panic retreat of Ukies as much as possible. After most (or all) of South-East is freed, THEN negotiations would have been much more favorable to Novorossia.”
Posted by: Harry | Sep 5, 2014 10:56:19 AM | 48
My sentiments exactly. McCain was doubtful that a ceasefire would be agreed upon yesterday and he is in Kiev. McCain was also pleading for US/Nato weapon and Intel support for the Ukies. I find it hard to believe that Porky was able to agree to a ceasefire without USG approval and we know that the USG does not want a piece of Ukraine, especially the poorest resource wise portion. McCain is running the show and he is trying to buy time until congress comes back on the 8th of september to pass the Russian Aggression Prevention Act, which will allow the USG to supply lethal military support to kiev.

Posted by: really | Sep 5 2014 15:40 utc | 52

McCain was doubtful that a ceasefire would be agreed upon

I don’t think so, really, I think he went to get that ceasefire, fully knowing that Ukraine army was getting ready to lose the whole shabang. That ceasefire is the only thing that will save Porky and the fascists forces. otoh, I think you’re right about “buying time”, it’s a dire situation for the Kiev junta, and I think the rebels were stupid to accept the ceasefire (probably at Russia’s insistence), because when Russian Aggression Prevention Act is passed it will be Katy-bar-the-door for the rebels – the West won’t just ‘doouble down’, they’ll quadrulple down.

Posted by: okie farmer | Sep 5 2014 16:09 utc | 53

Harry & really
Good posts,
“I find it hard to believe that Porky was able to agree to a ceasefire without USG approval and we know that the USG does not want a piece of Ukraine”
Sums up the whole thing, militias better have a really good plan for doing this. A really good plan.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 5 2014 16:20 utc | 54

@somebody #49
Wow – Ukraine is a rich country? I’d like some of that crack you’re smoking.
The IMF debt is recent – for some reason you’re ignoring the billions Ukraine already owes to a variety of sources. Or that the Ukraine has had a foreign account deficit for 15 of the past 20 years.
As for Nord Stream – the reality is that, sure, some steel will be built with German pipes. But Gazprom is the one bankrolling the construction – so guess who chooses the materials source? Shroder’s presence will ensure some demand diverted, but Gazprom is the controlling shareholder.
You do understand what that means, right?

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5 2014 16:28 utc | 55

@somebody #48
Wow, that crack is apparently affecting your ability to use google.
Mark Sleboda is such a friend of Putin that he’s been criticizing Putin since the very beginning of the Ukraine crisis – saying Putin should have rolled tanks in February and what not.
As a geopolitical analyst, he’s a fine professor.
I’d also note that the sad reality is – the number of people in Ukraine willing to fight against the junta seems to be a large enough number to offset the number of people willing to fight for.
That’s voting with your hands.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5 2014 16:35 utc | 56

One thing’s for sure. If Kiev wants to see WW3 they will have a front row seat.

Posted by: dh | Sep 5 2014 17:03 utc | 57

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5, 2014 12:28:34 PM | 55
Maybe that is why Russia’s name in Ukraine is not good.

“We are happy to have Europipe and OMK, the suppliers of the first pipeline, as well as Sumitomo, a newcomer to our project, on board. Sumitomo has a solid track record in offshore projects,” says Henning Kothe, Project Director at Nord Stream. “With 1 billion euros, the total volume of the contracts is below the price level of the first line reflecting the current market development of increased competition and more available capacity. Three times the amount of steel pipes required was quoted.”

The steel comes from Germany (europipe), Japan (sumitomo), Russia (OmK).
By rich I mean Ukraine has enough countryside and stuff lying in the ground plus technological know how to be very successful. If they are not, it is politics and robbery.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 18:53 utc | 58

Yats. Facebook. 5 sept.
quote:
There is no discussion and no doubts that Ukraine needs peace. This peace has to be restored. But it’s important to know, what is the price for the peace. We have paid too much in this war that Russia had started. It is impossible to estimate the value for the loss of human life. The life of people who fought and are fighting for our independence, our country, has no price.That’s why we need peace, but not on the basis of the Russian plan – we need it on the basis of the Ukrainian plan, which has to be backed by the USA and the EU as our real allies.
First of all, this plan has to include three basic points. The first one is the ceasefire. The second one is to withdraw the Russian army, Russian criminals and terrorists. And the third one is to restore control over the border. The border between Ukraine and Russia has to have a proper infrastructure.
And that’s why the Government developed the project called “The Wall”. It is the question not only of Ukraine’s security. It is the question of Europe’s security. Therefore, it means to build infrastructure at the eastern border of Europe.
https://www.facebook.com/yatsenyuk.arseniy/posts/387593574728117
Poroshenko, tweet, 10:47 AM – 5 Sep 2014
quote:
Ukraine’s territorial integrity and independence are not up for negotiations. They remain as they are.
https://twitter.com/poroshenko
Ha ha ha, what does that mean? Maybe mis-translation? Who is he tweetin’ to? (not many re-tweets) Has total schizophrenia set in?

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 5 2014 19:15 utc | 59

Turnes out this has been in the making since – Yelzin’s 1996, Anthony Lieven

A New Iron Curtain
NATO is incautiously expanding eastward, which has thoughtful Russians worried about being fenced out of Europe—and worse
NATO itself is in the middle of a very confused debate about its identity and role, and partly as a result it is difficult to detect any honest, coherent discussion in the West of the necessity for expansion and of how it will affect relations with Russia, the security of Ukraine and the Baltic States, and the peaceful integration of Ukraine into Europe. A potential diplomatic debacle is in the making. Fortunately, more and more voices are being raised in the United States against this policy.
The official Western line at present is that NATO expansion is meant to “strengthen European security,” but not against Russia or against feared Russian aggression. Nevertheless, a Russian official recently remarked to me on this score, “You must think we’re blind and deaf.” All public discussion in Poland, and much of it in the United States, on the part of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, Robert Dole, and others, has been conducted in terms of the need to contain a presumed Russian threat and to prevent Russia from exerting influence on its neighbors—influence that is automatically viewed as illegitimate and threatening to the West.
Western protests that NATO has completely changed its nature since 1990 are met with Russian requests to be told exactly what, then, NATO is today—a question to which NATO itself simply does not know the answer. Western diplomats are unable to say what “security” in the context of, say, Poland actually means—and therefore unable to give any intelligible response when asked how it can be strengthened by NATO expansion.

The overwhelming majority of Russian politicians, including most liberals, now believe it is necessary that most of the former Soviet Union (excluding the Baltic States) be within a Russian sphere of influence. They see this not as imperialism but as a justifiable defense of Russian interests against a multiplicity of potential threats (radical Islam, future Turkish expansionism), of Russian populations outside Russia, and of areas in which Russia has long maintained a cultural presence—Ukraine, for example. This does not necessarily involve demands for hegemony over Russia’s neighbors, but it certainly implies the exclusion of any other bloc’s or superpower’s military presence.

Lebed told Reuters that NATO is behaving like “a big drunken hooligan in a kindergarten who says he will hit anyone he likes,” and has said that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe would force Russia to form a new military bloc of its own and cancel treaties and military agreements with the West. He has also said, “The Cold War is over. They won, and we all agreed to this. So why have you decided to re-open the competition?”

One normally sober, centrist, and pragmatic Russian foreign-policy adviser told me not long ago that in the event of a NATO move toward Ukraine, Russia would do its best to wreck the Ukrainian economy with an energy blockade, to rouse the Russian populations of Crimea and eastern Ukraine to revolt, and to subvert the Ukrainian armed forces, whose officer corps is still largely composed of ethnic Russians. Of course, this may well be hot air. Russia might not dare pursue such a strategy, and if it did dare, it might well discover itself to be powerless—because Ukraine today is not nearly so weak or fissiparous as it was a couple of years ago, and because most Russians in Ukraine would themselves probably resist such moves. All the same, it hardly seems rational for the West to increase the risk of such a crisis without some very pressing reasons.

The whole article from 1996 is worth reading.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 5 2014 19:47 utc | 60

The Ukraine Wall,this time meant to keep Russians out.Yeah,that will work.

Posted by: dahoit | Sep 5 2014 19:53 utc | 61

@ Noirette @ 59
lol..It is important to remember that Yats, the scientologist, is probably being advised on policy (and spiritual matters) by John Travolta…First, get rid of those ” body thetan” soul-parasites, then get rid of the Russians.. first Lord Xemu – then Putin…

Posted by: Marc | Sep 5 2014 20:06 utc | 62

@59 the wall concept, lol.. and where have we seen that done before, other then in berlin?

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2014 20:18 utc | 63

“After the steady rise of enthusiasm for war in Ukraine voter polls through the summer, Ukrainian politicians in favour of the military campaign against Donetsk, Lugansk, and Russia, have suffered a dramatic loss of support across the country.”
Some interesting statistics…..in the Business Insider of all places…
http://www.businessinsider.com/ukraines-pro-war-party-is-collapsing-in-the-polls-2014-9

Posted by: dh | Sep 5 2014 21:33 utc | 64

@64 dh
And I wonder what is going to happen when the family and friends find out just how many of their love ones have been killed. The smoke and mirror casualty figures of kiev will finally be revealed for what they more than likely are, a blizzard of bollocks.
Uh oh…..
Fascists Units and Regular Army Head for Kiev-Maidan Anti Gov Protests

Posted by: really | Sep 5 2014 22:25 utc | 65

@65 Victoria Nuland better get another batch of cookies ready.

Posted by: dh | Sep 5 2014 22:52 utc | 66

@somebody #58
You said: “By rich I mean Ukraine has enough countryside and stuff lying in the ground plus technological know how to be very successful. If they are not, it is politics and robbery.”
Huh, you must have a different reading capability than I do. For one thing, the “stuff lying in the ground” is primarily monetized by cheap Russian gas. And the customer for this stuff lying in the ground is Russia.
So how does poking Russia in the eye help?
As for corruption – sure, it exists. But that’s an internal problem, innit? If Putin was able to rein in the Russian oligarchs – the inability of the Ukrainian government and people to do the same isn’t Russia’s fault.
I do think Ukraine has great potential, but the transition from its present state to the hypothetical glorious future isn’t going to be accomplished by shooting its own people (and getting shot).

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 5 2014 23:45 utc | 67

Russian Spring
09/05/2014-21:52
From the Army of South-East:

Donetsk.
Seeking to remain on occupied positions, the fascists shelled cities Gorlovka and Yenakiyevo. Four residential buildings were destroyed. Died two, wounded four civilians.
About 17:30 Kiev time suburb Gladkovka was subjected to artillery fire, which killed 9.
Clashes were reported in area of the airport (north of Donetsk), near settlements Shevchenko, Maloorlovka (east of Donetsk – probably, strayed Ukrainian detachments) with subsequent liquidation of opponent’s hardware and personnel.
A group of several combatants’ APCs entered Mariupol`: “Our detachment entered suburbs Talakovka and Sartana. This is little aside of suburb Vostochniy (Eastern), where the combatants and Ukrainian forces clash. Therefore, the detachment entered undeterred.” Also, the combatants pressed Ukrainian forces out of suburb Vostochniy toward suburb Left Bank (?).
Lugansk.
After a brief combat, settlement Veselaya Gora (Merry Mount) was reclaimed again.
Junta forces were struck by artillery in area of Georgievka (south-west of Lugansk – probably, caldron leftovers).
Since 19:00, the combatants adhere a cease if fire regimen.

Posted by: Fete | Sep 6 2014 4:08 utc | 68

Sevastopol authorities confiscate Ukrainian tycoon’s Kolomoisky assets for debts
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/748423 #crimea

Posted by: brian | Sep 6 2014 4:42 utc | 69

eurotrash regimes do what US tells them to

Posted by: brian | Sep 6 2014 4:42 utc | 70

@guest77 #29 re: Webster Tarpley
You are right that Tarpley is very hit-and-miss. He can sometimes be very accurate, and is often overly Pollyanish. At my most paranoid, I think of him as somewhat “controlled opposition,” but again, only at my most paranoid. Mostly I just enjoy him as he so clearly enjoys himself. I listen to Tarpley (not religiously, but often) for several reasons:
1. He grew up two miles away from me near John Bowne High School in Flushing, Queens, and I enjoy the accent tremendously. (Since I haven’t spent any time around there since the mid-eighties. By the way, the local “underground” newspaper in those days was called the ”Flushing Toilet.”)
2. He is relentlessly upbeat, which is a good balance for me politically — who comes more from “the sky is falling” camp.
3. He espouses an unusual and fairly unique political point of view, which in itself is quite valuable.
4. He is good at what he does, he is entertaining, he is quite bright and knowledgeable.
5. I like his world political synopses, and the reformist US political candidates and activists he has on. He is not full of himself when interviewing them.
That said, he is definitely unique and his success improbable. He is an ex-Larouchie cult member — some (not I) say he has never left — and was regarded somewhat humorously while with the group. He was a classmate with fellow ex-Larouchie, William Engdahl (who I also admire), at Princeton. What changed him, and forced him to grow up, was his investigation into the murder of Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro — which he rightly concluded was a Gladio-type event. Well, the Larouchies always had a conspiratorial view of the world, but now Tarpley was on to real, not imaginary, conspiracies.
As far as his political viewpoint, he is a leftist, but he opposes standard and far left (me) viewpoints. I learn more from someone like him who challenges my natural viewpoints, but from a similar basis, then someone who more echoes my natural inclinations, like say Chomsky, who I can recite in my sleep. Tarpley calls himself a Roosevelt Democrat: He is pro-development (including nuclear power, which I deeply oppose), anti-austerity, anti-Wall St., in favor of much of Susan George’s positions like the Tobin tax, and a political realist against martial foreign involvement. He has been adamantly against the wars in Iraq, Libya, and Syria — where sadly, the majority of those who would place themselves in the radical left camp have supported, or excused, those invasions.
What have I learned from him? I enjoy his conspiratorial histories, which I consider largely on point, as I see history as a dialectic between social forces and material conditions, and the plans of the elite, which are generally secretive and hence conspiratorial. His predictions and coverage of the 2008 financial crisis was excellent, his viewpoint similar to Michael Hudson’s. (There is an unexplained antagonism between the two.) His pre-election biography of Obama was brilliant, especially his exposé of Obama’s time as an “activist” in Chicago. I learned a lot, and now essentially agree, with his take on how the Alinsky-style organizing tactics are used to keep the left caught up in fighting small battles, and away from mobilizing in any big-picture comprehensive way. I think Obama, like Bill Clinton, is a master of this type of tactic which renders the left powerless. His work on 9-11 was pretty good, even if I don’t agree with everything he says. But, moreover, his concept and explanation of “synthetic terrorism” — government sponsored terrorism opened my eyes at the time. Now, we here on this blog consider it quite unremarkable to say that the US has been behind Al Qaeda. But he also followed false-flag domestic terrorism. He has given a number of very good interviews with Bonnie Faulkner of “Guns and Butter” radio over the years.
Again, being an optimist, he called Libya wrong, thinking Gaddafi has going to escape being toppled. And he has made many other such wrong calls. But I’ve followed him for so long now that I can predict and allow for these weaknesses as a political analyst.
So that is the “complete Tarpley for dummies.” I also note that Rowan Berkeley is quite fond of him too.

Posted by: Malooga | Sep 6 2014 6:06 utc | 71

brian
Wouldnt surprise me if the “eurotrash regimes” in some years say they want to become states to the united states.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 6 2014 8:52 utc | 72

Russian Spring
09/05/2014-00:14
Message from Igor` Bezler (commander of battalion “Prizrak” (“Spectre”)):

Urgent info. 32 imported tanks entered Debal`tsevo, 15 Shilkas (radar guided self-propelled anti-aircraft gun) arrived in a tank unit in Artemovsk. 7 Tochka-Us (tactical ballistic missile), 6 Grads plus one Smerch – all accompanied by 13 tanks, also imported, stand between Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
A column 3-4 kilometers long stands at settlement Mironovka toward Debal`tsevo.
Battle has been restarted by the criminal state. No way back, the long trek to Kiev is ahead!

Russian Spring
09/05/2014-21:00
Commentary form niescombatant Prokhorov:

Comrades! How long is it going to continue? You are mesmerized by false numbers! Novorossia forces are nowhere close to 25 thousands!!! If this had been, everything would be different.
Neither day before yesterday nor yesterday was it possible to take Debal’tsevo. Scant detachments of Cossacks (about 2 companies plus five cannons) against 2 tactical groups of battalions on fortified positions supported by an artillery division and having received urgent reinforcement from Artemovsk.
In Mariupol` the Ukrainian superiority is absolute.
Let view the situation without complacency. Ukrainians threw against Novorossia all they have. Combatants – whatever they have. The tactics mandates superiority for head-on attacks. This far combatants are unable to effectively neutralize the opponent in Mariupol` or Debal`tsevo by available resources.
Ukrainians used to possess forces at par to European standards. These were enforced by three mobilizations, multiple units of National Guard, State Security Service, Ministry of Internal Affairs, State Border Service, territorial battalions, mercenary battalions and authentic Nazis (“Praviy Sector”). They mobilized all they could – what is result? Today neither personnel, and more importantly, nor hardware are in sufficient numbers.
Their resources run out. Lorry truck-based homemade products and museum exhibits go into combat.
Who can supply Ukrainians? May be Africa states, for military reserves are hard to find in Europe. For the Afghan and Iraq war the U.S. searches hardware articles throughout all East Europe.
Some deliverables do arrive (like plastic clips for submachine guns), but this does not cardinally affects the situation.

Posted by: Fete | Sep 7 2014 4:55 utc | 73

To malooga at 71 —
You puzzle me, comrade. I’ve never been enamored of conspiracy theories, as you might recall from my comments at 255 on the Ukraine thread. LaRoucheite conspiracy theories, especially. I consider myself an ultra-left, so I find it puzzling. Capitalist don’t conspire, their common interests in property and common outlook produce a conformity of opinion and action. Not total, but enough to get things done and keep the masses down.
But I do agree, one can find value in folks whose politics can clash, sometimes sharply. I like Max Keiser on RT — the gold/silver bug stuff turns me off, but man, can that guy riff on banksters. I love that animation they run to plug him, the mechanical Godzilla wrecking Wall St. And I always look for Paul Craig Roberts on “Counterpunch.” I would not have imagined anyone in a sr. post in Nixon’s Treasury Dept. could be so depressingly correct so often.
Don’t get me started on “St. Noam of MIT,” I think of Chomsky as you do of Alinsky. Good analysis from time to time, but the actions he supports are ineffective. I’ve seem him live, read his essays occasionally, and he’s a regular on Democracy Now, but I know Alinsky only by reputation.
But damn, there you are citing Michael Hudson. “Counterpunch” & “Naked Capitalism” got me looking at him, he does fine work, along with his UKMC colleague, William Black. Contemp. financial markets as control fraud, brilliant.
Once again, thanks for welcome, I appreciate it a little more now.

Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 7 2014 5:47 utc | 74

This doesn’t seem to be true. A bifurcated version of the actual deal maybe.

Posted by: Claire Pascal | Sep 8 2014 10:29 utc | 75