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August 21, 2014

Syria: U.S. Intelligence For Syrian Air-Force Bombing

Pepe Escobar writes in ATOL on the IS rampage in Syria and Iraq:

[H]ow convenient that a Briton beheading an American - what a "special relationship" plot twist! - fully sanctions the Return of Iraq Bombing ("for months", in Obama's words); more strikes; more drones; perhaps more boots on the ground; perhaps, in the near future, a Syria extension.

Indeed. But the mission creep, or maybe the planned escalation, was already ongoing before the beheading video of James Foley was published:

Monday, the President again broadened the bombing’s objectives. The airstrikes against ISIS still protect U.S. personnel and serve humanitarian purposes, he said, but now, it seems, those are general goals that ongoing bombing serves. The President also suggested that ISIS is a security threat to the United States. Not for the first time, he said that once the new Iraqi government forms, we will “build up” Iraqi military power against ISIS.

Only the speed of this slide down a slippery slope is surprising.

The U.S. is again fully at war in Iraq. But bombing in Syria, it seems to me, will be left to the Syrian air-force. For some days now it has attacked IS targets in Raqqa with precise ammunition, not with the usual "barrel bombs". Precise weapons need precise intelligence to designate precise targets. Two knowledgeable journalist from the region have suggested that the U.S. is providing such targeting data to the Syrian government. The Angry Arab reports:

The highly able and reliable correspondent of As-Safir in Paris claims that the US has been providing intelligence help to the Syrian regime regarding positions of ISIS in Syria.

That As-Safir correspondent is Mohammad Ballout. Elijah J. Magnier, AL RAI chief international correspondent, tweeted two days ago:

#BreakingNews: #USA #Syria: #SAF Mig-29 is bombarding on daily basis #IS selective targets in #Raqqa w guided missiles following #USA info

Reuters reports that Syrian hopes to find a detente with the "west" over the threat of the Islamic State:

Ghaleb Kandil, another Lebanese journalist with close ties to the Syrian government, said the West would be forced to deal with Assad sooner or later. In return for security cooperation, Assad would demand full political rehabilitation.

"The Syrian state is the only body with adequate intelligence about the terrorists," he said.

With the U.S. providing targeting data to the Syrian air-force at least some informal detente has already been agreed upon. More opportunities for a public reversal of the "western" position will appear soon.

Unlike Pepe Escobar anticipates, "a Syria extension" of U.S. air-force attacks is unlikely to happen as long as the Syrian air-force has and keeps its capabilities to act on anti-IS (signal-)intelligence the U.S. provides. Russia (and Iran) will take care that the Syrian air-force will have the material and personal capacities to achieve that.

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ISIS BS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLyYWFG81w8

Guess they'll just have to come up with a new new reality now.

Posted by: DM | Aug 22 2014 11:45 utc | 101

@96

I meant to tie it to @91 & 94.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 11:46 utc | 102

PressTV had some god information today. Information which makes it clear to me that ISIS is not only being used to further US aims in the Middle East, but also as a cover for the criminal nitwit leaders at home:

First, they mentioned "a governor" that said: "ISIS probably already in the US". This governor turned out to be recently-indicted dipshit Texan Rick "Ooops" Perry. This scaremongering over a phony phenomenon in the Middle East, I guess seen as a good way to get your seriously derailed presidential bid back on track, is a template for what we'll see as these presidential rodents crawl all over each other trying to look the most "strong" on re-invading Iraq AND Syria in the run up to the presidential elections.

And I do mean Syria AND Iraq, because next they showed Def. Sec. Hagel calling the Syrian border "non-existent" and declaring that ISIS cannot be defeated in Iraq without also attacking Syria. He said that will happen when - get this- "we have a coalition" who will be involved. So prepare to watch the farce of the countries that built up ISIS in Syria put together a "coalition" of countries to go kill ISIS in Syria.

It will take everything the world has to stop this second US invasion. I do hope the anti-war movement is getting into gear and can see the connections between the US murdering countries abroad, and US police murdering people at home.
...

OT, but I wanted to say: look at the situation in Ukraine. I am sure there were "Communist hardliners" who, when the Soviet Union was coming apart who warned that it wouldn't lead to "openness" and "freedom" but instead to massive economic displacement, western meddling, and war between former sister republics. And those "hardliners" were right.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 22 2014 12:42 utc | 103

@99

Yes, I had a post that mentioned Perry's idiocy that got caught in the spam filter - along with another one addressing the new tactic on progressive websites of supposedly identifying pro-Zionist posters by their ANTI-ZIONIST comments on message boards. Nice, huh?

Perry obviously stated that ISIS is sneaking across the Mexican border!!!

ISIS might be mowing your lawn and bussing your table RIGHT NOW, MERKA!!!!!!

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 22 2014 13:06 utc | 104

"...b- as I’ve said before, you are wrong on this, especially the idea that some sort of compact with Assad exists. Things could hardly be worse."

There are two articles in the Guardian today, perhaps more:
"UK should join US bombing of Isis, says ex-army chief
Lord Dannatt
"Lord Dannatt also says Britain should open talks with Assad in Syria, after Washington considers its next move.." That's the headline on one.

And then there is this one by Mary Dejevsky-whoever she may be.

"Oh the fickleness of humanity and history! This time last year, the British parliament was recalled by the prime minister, who appeared confident that he would receive a mandate to join the US in air strikes on Syria – the immediate and urgent reason being the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad’s, use of sarin gas to crush the growing uprising against him. Of course, “we” had few illusions about either the unity or the ethics of those rebels, but the argument was that there were enough people we could do business with and the Assad regime was the greater evil.

"Fast forward a year, and authoritative word has winged its way across the Atlantic from the Pentagon – in the shape of a joint press conference by the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the defence secretary, no less – that the only way to halt the advance of Islamic State (Isis) in northern Iraq is to bomb ... Syria. But this time not the forces – official and unofficial – of Assad, but the Syria of his enemies. Because, hey, we have revised our view of the lesser evil...."

There's the smoke, maybe there is a fire.
Like Malooga I was very sceptical of all the reports that the US was getting friendly with Assad again (see references to Maher Arar above). But these two stories, one for and one against an imperial policy change, indicate to me that something is happening. We shall see.

In either case the fact remains that there is and always has been considerable complexity in the formulation and execution of US Middle East policy. This is not to say that the Empire doesn't know what it wants merely that there are disagreements as to how those objectives are best accomplished. This leads, over the years, to major changes of direction.
One day Saddam is ushered into office grasping a list of Communists to be assassinated, given him by the CIA.
A few years later he is promised Ali Baba's cave if he will attack Iran. He is given the wherewithal to make his own poison gas.
And then, within months, the US and its allies are attacking him, then come sanctions and finally, the 2003 invasion.
But "finally" is the wrong word, because a decade later, after totuous twists and turns-now backing the shia, now backing the sunni, now promoting Bandar's Foreign Legion, now bombing it, after a long hate campaign against the Syrian government change, if not hope, appears to be in the air.

And the questions now involve the Iranian position- we know what Hezbollah's position will be, because they are (almost uniquely) principled actors, but much else, including perhaps the neo-con adventure in Ukraine, is up in the air.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2014 13:27 utc | 105

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/08/22/us-top-brass-striking-syria-back-table


So much for sharing intell and what took them so long to use Foley death in a plan to attack Syria under the idea that Amerika is only doing the right thing in going after isis.

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 22 2014 13:28 utc | 106

I'll stick with 'totuous', it has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 22 2014 13:29 utc | 107

...Perry obviously stated that ISIS is sneaking across the Mexican border!!

ISIS might be mowing your lawn and bussing your table RIGHT NOW, MERKA!!!!! "

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 22, 2014 9:06:33 AM | 100

LOL! Good one Jsore...

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 13:34 utc | 108

@#82The Telegraph
Ruling out a "poisonous" alliance with Syria,

"Mr Hammond [British Foreign Secretary] said that the government will review whether it provides moderate rebels fighting against the Syrian regime with weapons."

Just watch and see as the backdoor into Syria creeps wide open.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Aug 22 2014 14:04 utc | 109

@b

Thank you for releasing message - @30 - to my friend Cal Hall regarding the new hunt on progressive websites for the crafty anti-Zionist hasbarists that are just everywhere.

People are down on Israel?! Huh? You mean slaughtering 2000+ people - which continues to this day might increase anti-Zionist sentiment? Thank god we now know that they are all REALLY JUST hasbarists PRETENDING to be people sickened by the apartheid genocidal regime of Israel and not real posters, huh?

George Washington speaks on his blog to this phenomenon today but he also misses the larger part of the story namely that it wasn't just this ONE poster that Common Dreams went after but other posters whose anti-Zionist comments clearly COULD NOT be construed as anti-Semitic.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 22 2014 14:17 utc | 110

Really @ 100. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to show the combined and projected costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. According to the Kennedy Law School those wars cost approx 6 trillion dollars. Here is what just 1 trillion dollars looks like.http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-does-one-trillion-dollars-look-like/12754

Posted by: harry law | Aug 22 2014 15:26 utc | 111

That's a CIA canard to cover up their ISIS sponsorship.

1. Syria doesn't need US intel, it has ample Russian data.
2. Al-Baghdadi is a Mossad agent.
3. ISIS was armed and financed by the CIA cf. tarpley.net.
4. All Anglo-Zionist objectives for Middle East micro states plus the end of Syria and Iran remain in place.
5. The fear mongering of the Pentagon, Obama, and Cameron over ISIS is deception.
6. It is also amplification. "ISIS" will be coming to Europe and the US soon: terror has always been used by the British oligarchy to awe the sheeple into submission when economic times get rough.

"If Masonic supremacy appears in jeopardy , it is reestablished by a show of strength, by crimes of violence, perpetrated to demonstrate the far reaching power of Freemasonry to initiates all over the world" - Stephen Knight, "Jack The Ripper - The Final Solution"

"In the late 1880s London was suffering from the consequences of City usury and mass poverty. On "Bloody Sunday" Nov. 12 1887 the British army and police fired upon 100,000 Englishmen during an armed insurrection at Trafalgar square", cf. "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare", Michael Hofmann, p 59.

Posted by: Heinz | Aug 22 2014 15:29 utc | 112

The obama administration doesn't care about sovereign borders anymore when chasing ISIL. The US is a totally rogue nation. The US could used this flawed policy to drop bombs where ever they "think" ISIL is. The US govt. has gone absolutely off the deep end.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 18:09 utc | 113

"...British police have warned the public that merely watching the James Foley beheading video may be a criminal offense under terrorism legislation, a draconian escalation that threatens to create an ominous pretext for the free flow of information on the Internet. After the video emerged, which purports to show an ISIS militant with a British accent beheading American journalist James Foley, the Guardian reported that Scotland Yard had launched a ful nvestigation“.

Scotland Yard warned the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating the video within the UK might constitute a criminal offence under terrorism legislation,” states the report“. In other words….if you watch terrorism, you’re also a terrorist,” remarked Zero Hedge.
http://atlasmonitor.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/uk-police-merely-watching-james-foley-beheading-video-may-be-an-act-of-terrorism/

Lookie here. This is to try and keep public civilian investigators from analyzing the videos for authenticity.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 19:44 utc | 114

Does anyone find it strange that the US government is ready to go to war against isis over the killing of one american journalist?

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 20:07 utc | 115

really

Yes, that how american mind functions apparently, but darn those russians if they do anything like that, that would of course be not ok oh no no!

Posted by: Anonymouss | Aug 22 2014 20:24 utc | 116

Have you become a hasbara agent, Malooga?

You conveniently cut off my next line: You either have equality under the law or you don't.

That may sound like hasbara to you , but it certainly is not Israel’s policy, which is one of apartheid and concentration camps.

In any event, if you would prefer to believe that ISIS is the cat’s meow, then have it your way.

The geo-politics is what concerns me here, and Zalmay Khalilzad lays out the whole plan for all to see -- including more aid to Assad’s opponents and forced “power sharing” -- which is code for reducing Assad to mayor of Damascus with full authority over the weekly trash collections. He will also be allowed to choose what clothes he wears when out in public.

Assad won re-election with over 80% of the vote and represents the will of his people better than Obama and the EU/NATO monster represent theirs, but he is to be forced to cede foreign policy to US backed foreign-based mercenaries. Anyway, we’ve seen these power-sharing schemes before. We never impose them on ourselves.

Look, when I was a kid, there was a game called “Bridge-It,” where one player attempted to build an unbroken line east-west, while the other attempted to build a line north-south, each attempting to block the other. In the colonization of Africa, the French attempted to build their empire east-west across the Sahel, while the British worked for a united north-south blok along the rift.

So the whole deal here is, do we build a north-south line, breaking the shia cresent; destroying shiite-majority Lebanon in an orgy of sectarian killing; walling in and containing Iran, Russia and Asia in general; countering Russian and Iranian oil and gas with Gulf supplies; and giving Israel lebensraum on the west side of the line and control over eastern Mediterranean gas resources. Or do we build an east-west line, containing Israel, allowing Iran/Russia/Asia outlet to the eastern Mediterranean, and compelling the gulf states to look eastward, and perhaps, inward.

One way leads to a uni-polar world, the other to a multi-polar outcome. One way attaches Europe unnaturally to North America to dominate the global south, the other allows for natural EurAsian integration across the entire landmass.

There’s your geo-politics in a nutshell. I’ll leave it to you to play Juan Cole and fill us in on our moral importunings.

We know how well Cole’s blather played out in Iraq, but history proves that a new crop of useless idiots can be found for every new imperial adventure.

Obama didn’t like Bush’s invasion of Iraq because it was “stupid.” So now we are going to get his new, improved, smarter Chicago-hustle version: Iraq/Syria v.2.0. What a sanctimonious punk -- he will go down in history as worse than Bush, truly a difficult and unique accomplishment.

The empire is like a shark: It will not relent until it dies; and the process of dying will involve a lot of thrashing around and blood. I pray humanity makes it through the next decade.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2014 20:41 utc | 117

Scotland Yard warned the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating the video within the UK might constitute a criminal offence under terrorism legislation

That's to make sure that everyone watches it and talks about it and is scared. Who cares whether the video is faked? While you analyze and argue that, you forfeit the opportunity cost of arguing against going to war again. The empire moves forward, constantly creating new "realities" as it needs.

Don't get trapped in Zero Hedge fear-mongering.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2014 20:50 utc | 118

@118

Yeah I don't and won't get caught up in the isis propaganda fear mongering. I just found it amusing. What you say about Obama's presidency is true though. He is well on being a bigger travesty the Shrub because he is an articulate individual and he is looking like a war mongering hope and change fraud at worst or a neocon-neolib hybrid puppet at best. What a colossal dissappointment...

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 21:12 utc | 119

re 117. You conveniently cut off my next line: You either have equality under the law or you don't.

Then why make a basic point, from which you departed, of an accusation of antisemitism?

The fact is that anti-semitism in the Middle East only started, when the project of a Jewish State started.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 22 2014 21:22 utc | 120

Cold Blow JOB is utterly predictable in his utterances. He is in Spanish as we say, UN GRAN PENDEJO!!!!

Go type more garbage somewhere else marrano, puerco, cochino hijo de puta, the ISIS is because of people like you in the State Department who view real humans normal people who go to the supermarket and live normal lives as less than nothing. Vete al carajo. Foley was probably neck deep into the CIA and was a friend of coleauge of Cold A Hole.

Posted by: Fernando | Aug 22 2014 21:34 utc | 121

When they made merely watching child pornography a crime, they established a precedent. Now, by extending the prohibition to watching an allegedly terrorist video, they are expanding the precedent. How far will they go?

Posted by: lysias | Aug 22 2014 21:56 utc | 122

Someone mentioned here that this threat to go to war with ISIL is another strawman usage of Isis to funnel money to the military industrial cabal. When congress resumes session how much you want to bet that the do nothing congress will do something by increasing pentagon budget. F'ing joke.

I don't think congress is gonna vote on expanding strikes in syria before the mid term elections. Congress don't want to have to answer to the voters about why or why not the voted to start a war in syria with ISIL. Now after the elections all bets are off. But one thing is gonna happen for sure and that is the pentagon is gonna get their additional money for this alledged ISIL "threat". They gotta replace all that Operation Iraqi Liberation military hardware they gave away to the local police departments across America. The game.....oh the game...it is easy to win with a stacked deck.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 22:17 utc | 123

@@Alexno #120:

I apologize. It was a bad example. I did not mean to drag Zionist baggage into the argument.

I was thinking of an example of unequal protection under the law and the Jim Crow laws first came to mind, but I wasn't sure if they were familiar to the general audience.

I'm particularly sensitive to the tax ploy because, in studying the "secret" history of the Caribbean island where I lived, I discovered that the seven families who control the island used the tax mechanism as their means to secure that control.Taxes are ALWAYS a form of covert (or in the case of leftist redistributionism, overt) social policy.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2014 22:55 utc | 124

. . . , after a long hate campaign against the Syrian government change, if not hope, appears to be in the air.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 22, 2014 9:27:54 AM | 105

Jesus f'n Christ, what f'n drugs is this f'er on?

Posted by: JFC | Aug 23 2014 0:09 utc | 125

Change + Hope = CHOPE

THAT'S whats in the air

Posted by: JFC | Aug 23 2014 0:10 utc | 126

Yes we won't!

Posted by: JFC | Aug 23 2014 0:12 utc | 127

I feel the US end game in pushing for strikes in syria is to utilize the we are going after isis as a pre text to get assad. Assad is holding up just fine against all the west backed insurgents and terrorists as stated in b's op. So what better way than to paint a picture that Assad is helping isis. The propaganda is all over the webs and it is just a matter of time before the msm begins to paint assad as an isis enabler. The idea floated by the US of teaming up with Assad to deafeat Isis is pure bs.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/assad-has-never-fought-isis-before

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/08/22/why-assad-is-secretly-helping-his-isis-enemies-become-most-powerful-rebel-force-in-syria/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/middleeast/assad-supporters-weigh-benefits-of-us-strikes-in-syria.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/middleeast/assad-supporters-weigh-benefits-of-us-strikes-in-syria.html

Posted by: really | Aug 23 2014 1:48 utc | 129

curious convergence of ISIS and Uke fascists
Alex Bukovsky ‏@BungeeWedgie Aug 13
#Ukraine and #Iraq
One of #ISIS accounts uses pictures of Right Sector Nazis bodies from UA as kurds killed in Iraq. pic.twitter.com/nFqhyQQBTL

Posted by: brian | Aug 23 2014 4:12 utc | 130

someone is unhappy with actress Milla Jovovich
Malena ‏@mvanpil Aug 21
Is this how Milla Jovovich “supports” #Ukraine against #RUSSIA? Campaigning for Russian journalists? @femeninna pic.twitter.com/a3OsRLM3Ns

Posted by: brian | Aug 23 2014 4:21 utc | 131

Well, there is this now

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday promised Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah El-Sissi to speed up the delivery of billions of dollars in arms and invited Cairo to forge free trade ties with a Moscow-led customs bloc. The two strong-willed leaders have developed a warm working relationship since Putin gave his backing to El-Sissi’s presidential run during the Egyptian’s visit to Moscow in February. Russian television showed the former field marshal descending the ramp of his plane and immediately being greeted with a display of heavy tanks and armored vehicles assembled on the apron of the Sochi airport. “We are actively developing our military and technological cooperation,” Putin later told El-Sissi at the Russian president’s Black Sea resort summer residence. “We signed a corresponding protocol in March. We are delivering weapons to Egypt. We are ready to expand this cooperation.” El-Sissi in turn thanked Putin for being the first leader to invite him for a visit outside the Arab world since his swearing-in as head of state. “All the people of Egypt are closely watching my visit and expecting a high level of cooperation between our states,” Russian state news agencies quoted Sisi as telling Putin. Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday promised Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah El-Sissi to speed up the delivery of billions of dollars in arms and invited Cairo to forge free trade ties with a Moscow-led customs bloc. The two strong-willed leaders have developed a warm working relationship since Putin gave his backing to El-Sissi’s presidential run during the Egyptian’s visit to Moscow in February. Russian television showed the former field marshal descending the ramp of his plane and immediately being greeted with a display of heavy tanks and armored vehicles assembled on the apron of the Sochi airport. “We are actively developing our military and technological cooperation,” Putin later told El-Sissi at the Russian president’s Black Sea resort summer residence. “We signed a corresponding protocol in March. We are delivering weapons to Egypt. We are ready to expand this cooperation.” El-Sissi in turn thanked Putin for being the first leader to invite him for a visit outside the Arab world since his swearing-in as head of state. “All the people of Egypt are closely watching my visit and expecting a high level of cooperation between our states,” Russian state news agencies quoted Sisi as telling Putin. “I expect us to meet their expectations.” Russia has jumped at the chance to grab a bigger slice of the Egyptian arms market after the United States suspended some of its weapons deliveries in the wake of Sisi’s crackdown on the former Islamic government last year. Cairo hosted the Russian defense and foreign ministers in November — the first such visit since the Soviet era — for discussions on an Egyptian arms purchase plan. Moscow’s Vedemosti business daily reported after those talks that Russia and Egypt were nearing a $3 billion (2.2 billion-euro) advanced missiles and warplanes deal that would be financed by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 23 2014 12:42 utc | 132

ISIS is doing quite well
Iraq they continue to shell
Their strategy's great
They're growing their State
Those American weapons work swell

The Limerick King

Posted by: Cynthia | Aug 23 2014 13:03 utc | 133

Dirty Bombs Do Not Play
ISIS Is On Its Way
Beheadings Galore
Crucifixions And More
The West Will Have Its Flambé

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 23 2014 13:19 utc | 134

#132 The rumour has it in Egypt that the Egyptian military would already be posted at the Iraq-KSA border, on request of the latter.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 23 2014 13:33 utc | 135

yes, it gets interesting.

It said Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia were to take part in Sunday's talks.

The meeting will address "the growing presence in Iraq and Syria of extremists, notably the Islamic State (ISIS)," the ministry said in a statement.

It added that the rise of ISIS meant the "search for a political solution to the Syria crisis was needed more than ever."

Posted by: somebody | Aug 23 2014 14:15 utc | 136

Who cares whether the video is faked? While you analyze and argue that, you forfeit the opportunity cost of arguing against going to war again.

Now I've heard everything.

Looks like someone was monitoring this site and felt that the bourgeois fake left needed some backup.

So, if the "Left" in the US and the rest of the Western world had - at the time - actually gotten behind the idea of believing their own eyes, the laws of physics etc etc and forced the issue of investigating the IMPOSSIBLE farce that was all things officially 9/11 - ESPECIALLY documented Israeli/neocon involvement - then the MAYBE we wouldn't be where we are now.

BUT NOOOOOOOOO..

Mr. Expert on all things Fake-Left Malooga tells us not to worry about deciphering whether things are real or not: hey, it's ONLY REALITY, right? Holy eff.

Instead, we should - like good - i.e., obedient and ineffectual - fake lefties - cede the realm of REALITY to our Zionist overlords and start organizing a new anti-war movement from the ground up, y'know, one that takes the UTTERLY FAKE and FALSE pretenses our overlords have given us for going to war as the Gospel truth as we are led around by our noses once again.

Seriously, that's just embarrassing. First, you exonerate murderous police officers - they're just systemic tools, doncha know - and NOW you're telling us to lap up the bullcrap - a slogan echoed by other fake lefties - i.e., "It wouldn't make a difference anyways..." - as we all are going to be forced to sit through/experience the murderous reality of YET ANOTHER campaign because ascertaining the truth of previous situations - as we all know, ffs - just turned out so wll.

Seriously, your posts need to be a lot shorter. How about this:

C'mon people, if you agree to the paradigm TPTB are shoving down our throats at least there will still be room for one to still look clever and educated online while the world burns.

Nice. Hey, Malooga, maybe you're new to your preaching career but too many of us it sounds like the Dkos pabulum circa 2003 so many of us had to suffer through while the world burned the first time.

You may think you're educating the flock but a lot of us have sickeningly heard it all before and y'know what: IT DIDN'T DO A LICK OF GOOD. NOT ONE OUNCE.

Instead of people being pissed off because TPTB have arrogated to themselves the power to create reality etc you caution that we should just take that as a granted and work from there.

Bullcrap. Maybe your sermons impress the youngsters but to many of veterans of the war criminal US you're stuff is a bore.

Opportunity costs?

Holy eff.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 23 2014 15:32 utc | 137

The empire is like a shark: It will not relent until it dies; and the process of dying will involve a lot of thrashing around and blood. I pray humanity makes it through the next decade.

Yup, exactly like bevin says, too. The "incompetent" and "fumbling" Empire is just thrashing around - has been doing it for decades now - and although it's gonna take some blood, it's in its death throes.

ORRRRR, should we look at the nearing realization of the balkanization of the ME - a plan I hope I don't need to remind everyone goes back 30+ years - as proof that, hmmmm, maybe these incompetent Zionist idiots actually DO KNOW how to plan and put said plans into action, huh?

I mean, let's have a discussion about geopolitical events that EXACTLY match what was proposed by the very Zionist neocons who are STILL IN POWER in the US WITHOUT talking about how it all seems to be coming into being.

It's just the amorphous Empire and its useless idiots and a bunch of thrashing and failed plans, right?

The situation's complexity just DEMANDS that we inoculate our conversations and analyses so as to not offend anyone, right?

We must accept the reality they've created for us, doncha know.

This time it's really REALLY REALLY gonna be the end and it's time to put on the rose-colored glasses - oh, I'm sorry, Malooga and bevin, you never took yours off - because we're reaching an endpoint.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 23 2014 15:45 utc | 138

@137

should be:

because NOT ascertaining the truth of previous situations - as we all know, ffs - just turned out so well.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 23 2014 16:08 utc | 139

@137

I consider myself a veteran when it comes to spotting US propaganda and the Foley video is just that. The idea that the US Govt. Is ready to lock and load against Isis in syria but when a US ambassador and his entourage was killed in libya the US did not go balls to the wall war monger against those "terrorists" should warrant suspicion regarding the Foley video. Since the congress repealed the anti propaganda act back in 2013, I really don't believe anything (especially on foreign affairs) coming out of Washington DC and the msm. Not that I was not leery before the repeal, I was with good reason, but now with the govt. free to flood the papers, tv and airwaves with packaged propaganda rhetoric, I can't trust a word that the US Govt. or msm writes or says.

Posted by: really | Aug 23 2014 16:10 utc | 140

@140

Yes, contrary to your respondent's claim IT CERTAINLY MOST DEFINITELY MATTERS if what we are being told is actually real/true or not. I understand that this goes against certain analysts' grain because they have been brainwashed into thinking everything must be so very complex and that there always exists a need to consider every different situational angle - I was there myself at one point long ago - but one has to stop even HUMORING their narratives at some point so that he/she will STOP BELIEVING them BEFORE they start crafting them.

Is that so very hard to understand? It seems so.

Why do people think that TPTB - I'll use their term - spend so much time and money - for example - on think tanks and the thousands and thousands of analysts and economists?

For all of the oh so valuable insight and expertise they get from them? kneeslap

OR to allow themselves the ability to craft sophisticated and detailed super-structural narratives and stories that will become the inescapable ethos of the land, the veils behind which they - the elite few - can hide in broad daylight from all of the rest of society, the masses who could easily overrun them given the right set of insights and organization?

Like in the Ferguson debate from earlier threads, I understand the IDEA behind viewing the murderous police as merely tools used by the elite but believe that we as a society can no longer rest on that understanding/idea as TPTB have entirely co-opted/taken advantage of that "systemic" viewpoint. We have to "go after" our societal perceptions of the individual human beings involved in these situations in an attempt to more quickly address the problem/issue.

Similarly, we have to attack EVERY instance of PTB chicanery and reality-creation when we see it as it is not NEARLY ENOUGH to say that we know what they're doing and we will combat it somewhere down the line. It may in reality mean MILLIONS of more lives/ruined lost before we see any fruits of that endeavor.

Lastly, my viewpoint also addresses the published Zionist plans for the ME and which I see being fulfilled by the current US war criminals. Yes, one could just view it all antiseptically as the actions of a bungling Empire blah blah blah OR one could look at the documented history of those plans, the people who formulated those plans and who are still in power and specifically TARGET them instead of just waiting around for the "new hope" to materialize or something.

Yes, it may theoretically be an Empire in decline etc but WHY are we taking that tack when the effing people - i.e, Zionists, neocons, etc - who told us specifically what they were going to do are NOW DOING THOSE THINGS IN FRONT OF OUR EYES?

I understand that I sound like a ranter but if you aren't going to rant about the murder/rape/maiming/displacement of the MILLIONS of people that have already fallen to the war criminal Zionist US then what the hell is one going to get angry about?

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 23 2014 16:43 utc | 141

Flashback:

Playing skittles with Saddam - from Sept 2002
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/03/worlddispatch.iraq


For the hawks (neo-cons), disorder and chaos sweeping through the region would not be an unfortunate side-effect of war with Iraq, but a sign that everything is going according to plan.

In their eyes, Iraq is just the starting point - or, as a recent presentation at the Pentagon put it, "the tactical pivot" - for re-moulding the Middle East on Israeli-American lines.

snip

The "skittles theory" of the Middle East - that one ball aimed at Iraq can knock down several regimes - has been around for some time on the wilder fringes of politics but has come to the fore in the United States on the back of the "war against terrorism".

Its roots can be traced, at least in part, to a paper published in 1996 by an Israeli thinktank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. Entitled "A clean break: a new strategy for securing the realm",…adopting a strategy "based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism ..."

snip

One of the curious aspects of this neo-conservative intrigue is that so few people outside the United States and Israel take it seriously. Perhaps, … they can't imagine that anyone who holds a powerful position in the United States could be quite so reckless.


The Times They Are a-Changin'………….oh wait……


Posted by: pantaraxia | Aug 23 2014 18:09 utc | 142

The Guardian piece.

"The paper set out a plan by which Israel would "shape its strategic environment", beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein and the installation of a Hashemite monarchy in Baghdad."


This got more space than any other specific. Not attempted nor accomplished.
Nothing about an ISIS type construct being planned either.
Also, as termed in the piece, Israel's departure from Gaza would at least be seen as a partial but important retreat.
As would the Hezbollah attack on Israel in the interim be viewed as an unexpected
loss.
In a later post Sorrentine now insists on the "unfake left" viewing Hamas as controlled.

Yes, if the entire left had accepted MIHOP as the explanation of 9-11-2001, there
might have been enough antiwar street resistance to have blunted the war machine, but if
a similar perspective is pivotal in keeping Obama or Hillary out of Syria, the best hope is more quagmire and misspent blood and treasure until collapse.

Posted by: truthbetold | Aug 23 2014 21:31 utc | 143

J Sorrentine- Incompetence and bumbling go hand in hand with "blowback"
;)

Posted by: Penny | Aug 23 2014 22:40 utc | 144

USrael sends in ISIS
Give us a neat crisis
Having a hard on
For greater Zion
Coz thats what the prize is

Posted by: Juan Moment | Aug 23 2014 23:28 utc | 146

@146

Nice rhyme Juan Moment. ;)

Posted by: really | Aug 24 2014 14:16 utc | 147

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