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August 21, 2014

Syria: U.S. Intelligence For Syrian Air-Force Bombing

Pepe Escobar writes in ATOL on the IS rampage in Syria and Iraq:

[H]ow convenient that a Briton beheading an American - what a "special relationship" plot twist! - fully sanctions the Return of Iraq Bombing ("for months", in Obama's words); more strikes; more drones; perhaps more boots on the ground; perhaps, in the near future, a Syria extension.

Indeed. But the mission creep, or maybe the planned escalation, was already ongoing before the beheading video of James Foley was published:

Monday, the President again broadened the bombing’s objectives. The airstrikes against ISIS still protect U.S. personnel and serve humanitarian purposes, he said, but now, it seems, those are general goals that ongoing bombing serves. The President also suggested that ISIS is a security threat to the United States. Not for the first time, he said that once the new Iraqi government forms, we will “build up” Iraqi military power against ISIS.

Only the speed of this slide down a slippery slope is surprising.

The U.S. is again fully at war in Iraq. But bombing in Syria, it seems to me, will be left to the Syrian air-force. For some days now it has attacked IS targets in Raqqa with precise ammunition, not with the usual "barrel bombs". Precise weapons need precise intelligence to designate precise targets. Two knowledgeable journalist from the region have suggested that the U.S. is providing such targeting data to the Syrian government. The Angry Arab reports:

The highly able and reliable correspondent of As-Safir in Paris claims that the US has been providing intelligence help to the Syrian regime regarding positions of ISIS in Syria.

That As-Safir correspondent is Mohammad Ballout. Elijah J. Magnier, AL RAI chief international correspondent, tweeted two days ago:

#BreakingNews: #USA #Syria: #SAF Mig-29 is bombarding on daily basis #IS selective targets in #Raqqa w guided missiles following #USA info

Reuters reports that Syrian hopes to find a detente with the "west" over the threat of the Islamic State:

Ghaleb Kandil, another Lebanese journalist with close ties to the Syrian government, said the West would be forced to deal with Assad sooner or later. In return for security cooperation, Assad would demand full political rehabilitation.

"The Syrian state is the only body with adequate intelligence about the terrorists," he said.

With the U.S. providing targeting data to the Syrian air-force at least some informal detente has already been agreed upon. More opportunities for a public reversal of the "western" position will appear soon.

Unlike Pepe Escobar anticipates, "a Syria extension" of U.S. air-force attacks is unlikely to happen as long as the Syrian air-force has and keeps its capabilities to act on anti-IS (signal-)intelligence the U.S. provides. Russia (and Iran) will take care that the Syrian air-force will have the material and personal capacities to achieve that.

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To confirm the change of tide, Le Monde has had 2 articles on Syria in the last 3 days that were somehow impartial

Posted by: Mina | Aug 21 2014 18:22 utc | 1

So who is taking the TOW missile shipments? Weaken the Is but support other groups? What hhypocrisy is this?

Posted by: Shoes | Aug 21 2014 18:32 utc | 2

Why should we believe that the US is providing the Assad any intelligence? Just because someone who likely doesn't know says so? Nothing personal against As-Safir in Paris but lots of stuff people say isn't found to be correct in the end.

Notice that Hamas has now said they kidnapped those 3 Israeli teens. There was a lot of wasted ink here and elsewhere saying other things about that.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Aug 21 2014 18:39 utc | 3

@3 Where does all this leave the ISIS as tool of the West theory?

Posted by: dh | Aug 21 2014 18:39 utc | 4

Obviously, I'm with Pepe on this one. The balkanization of the ME is all still going according to plan and ISIS is the gift that keeps on giving. Their latest gift: US military intervention/presence in Syria in addition to Iraq - with maybe a threat to the KSA now?! - and who knows just what fortuitous "accidents" might occur and that will lead to further incursions/operations, huh?

What's not to like if you are Zionist scum?

Let's see: in the last year or so we witnessed the gassing of hundreds of children, the shooting down of an effing commercial airliner, disappearing refugees, fake beheadings, and sundry other instances of murderous nonsense.

I'm gonna err on the side of caution and say the war criminal Zionist US will find a "fortuitous" event that will just happen to further their agenda probably something really "classy" if the past is prologue.

Seriously, when is the Russian branch of ISIS due on the stage?

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21 2014 18:42 utc | 5

Here's Cartalucci's take:

August 21, 2014 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - As predicted, the "sudden" appearance of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq (ISIS) in northern Iraq weeks ago, has created the rhetorical framework within which the United States and its regional partners will attempt to militarily intervene in both Iraq and Syria. Token US airstrikes have already been underway in Iraq, and it is now revealed that US special operation forces have been operating in Syria, under the guise of attempting to rescue abducted and now slain American journalist, James Wright Foley.

The New York Times in an article titled, "U.S. Tried to Take Foley and Other Hostages From ISIS," claimed:

A secret nighttime military mission authorized by President Obama to rescue Americans held captive in Syria failed early this summer when a team of two dozen Delta Force commandos raided an oil refinery in the northern part of the country but found after a firefight with Islamic militants that there were no hostages to be saved, administration officials said Wednesday.

With one American journalist, TIME reporter Steven Sotloff, still missing and allegedly being held by ISIS terrorists, further US military incursions into Syrian territory may be attempted under a similar alleged pretense. To further justify expanding across the border and into Syria already ongoing US military operations in Iraq, the Western media has begun claiming that ISIS leadership, "fearing" US airstrikes, are fleeing to safety in neighboring Syria.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21 2014 18:51 utc | 6

My first idea on the recent western media demonization of isis was that this will obviously lead to western intervention on syrian territory, if only because the western public will swallow this "war on terrorism" more lightly than "war on syria". I'm still expecting that.
Given the aggressive and definitive way that the west predicted Assads demise, I just can't see how they will backpeddle as much as to restore his political status. Even if, I don't see Syria cooperating with any western power, Ghadaffi is the perfect example of how far you can trust the "west". The only thing Assad can trust imho is that, when the us announces that your days are counted, they'll not give up till you (and probably your family) are dead.
On the other hand I find many of b's prospects much more educated and substantial than my impressions, and what is outlined in the article wouldn't be such a bad development, probably.

Posted by: radiator | Aug 21 2014 19:04 utc | 7

And the syrian people keep suffering. They're being grind to dust between IS, Saudi Arabia, Syria and the US.

So, the best way is to leave Syria alone but I don't think the US, Israel, IS and Saudi Arabia will stop interfering.

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 21 2014 19:08 utc | 8

Correction: "grind" should be "ground".

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 21 2014 19:08 utc | 9

The evidence that the US is providing Syria with intelligence is thin. But the willingness of the Syrians to make a deal with the US is well established and understandable.
Then there is Iran, which is also probably anxious to include Syria in a deal with the UNSC+1 group.
One point that Pepe makes which is very important is that ISIS could be aiming at Saudi Arabia. I suggested recently that the succession there could be the temptation.
Then there are the Gulf emirates and Turkey and, within the US, the demands of the Israelis. Eleven years on Mission Accomplished looks more and more ludicrous by the day.
The war in Iraq is just entering a new phase and I imagine that leaders of Russia and China, despite the sanctions, are ordering lots of popcorn, while keeping a very close watch on the borders for refugees from the USAF, wittering on about Sheikh al Wahhab.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 21 2014 19:10 utc | 10

if the usa is providing military intel to syria, it runs in the face of everything they have said the past 6 months or more, not to mention the fixation on regime change... something doesn't add up with this story line..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2014 19:27 utc | 11

There're some folks who don't mind all this new war activities. Keywords: Military Industrial complex.

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 21 2014 19:36 utc | 12

There is no point in intervention until the Sultan in Turkey decides (it's force to) to cut ties with IS and the rest jihadist-for-rent groups in North Syria. Anything else is empty propaganda or has some dubious second or third purpose. For example like the report about the supposed raid trying to liberate US prisoners in Syria. In my opinion that never happened but it's a good PR talking point to avoid embarrassing questions about what the US government is not doing on multiple US kidnapped in Syria by 'friendly pro-democracy' rebels.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 21 2014 19:38 utc | 13

Three days after Cameron warns that "jihadis could end up on the streets of the UK," an American reporter gets beheaded by a jihadi with a British accent!

How convenient!!!

Posted by: JohnH | Aug 21 2014 19:43 utc | 14

The West do not appear to be in lockstep on the Syrian opposition France President Francois Hollande [Monsieur Hulot]says his country has recently supplied weapons to the foreign-sponsored Takfiri militants operating against the Syrian government.
The French leader said on Thursday that Paris delivered weapons to the Takfiri terrorists in Syria “a few months ago,” stressing, “We should not stop” supporting the anti-Damascus militants.
Hollande also called on the United States and European Union countries to join the campaign and said Paris cannot “go it alone.”http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/08/21/376114/france-supplied-arms-to-syria-takfiris/

Posted by: harry law | Aug 21 2014 19:46 utc | 15

@ dh | 4

@3 Where does all this leave the ISIS as tool of the West theory?

What theory? Its a fact that ISIS (same as other Al Qaeda branches) were created and used by USrael and its alies, either directly or through Gulf monarchs.

New iteration as ISIS just helped to overthrow democratically elected but disobedient Maliki and install a new, more pliant leader. US could return to Iraq militarily (and potentialy - Syria) guns blazing. All the while Syria and Iraq are busy with ISIS, Kurdistan is emerging (totally coincidentally, ofc!).

I fully agree with JSor, and as for threat to Saudis - I believe it when I see it. After investing tens of billions in Nusra/ISIS, Saudis gave a couple of millions to UN "to fight the terrorism". Who said Saudis dont have a sense of humour? Unless of course, by terrorism Saudis meant Hezbollah or Novorossia resistance, because we all know in Syria terrorists actually are democracy-loving and peaceful freedom fighters :)

Posted by: Harry | Aug 21 2014 19:46 utc | 16

Warnings from an international research group and the Federal Aviation Administration underscore the rising threat to commercial aircraft posed by hundreds of anti-aircraft weapons that are now in the arsenals of armed groups in Syria and could easily be diverted to extremist factions. Armed groups opposing the Assad regime in Syria have already amassed an estimated several hundred portable anti-aircraft missiles that are highly mobile, difficult to track and accurate enough to destroy low-flying passenger airliners.

Switzerland-based research organization that analyzes the global flow of weapons groups and “extremist factions,” the fact that “extremist faction” ISIS had supposedly operating, indicates that it has been “extremists” fighting Damascus all along and that it is “extremists” who now possess a large number of anti-aircraft weapons, thanks to the US, Europe, Turkey, Saud number of anti-aircraft weapons, thanks to the US, Europe, Turkey, Saud Arabia, and Qatar..."

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/21/staged-provocations-ahead-possible-us-syrian-war.html

The alledged beheaded reporter and alledged rescue attempt is just the beginning....

Posted by: really | Aug 21 2014 20:00 utc | 17

Assad knows what's up....he said stay of my turf.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/20/damascus-warns-us-against-strikes-on-islamic-state-targets-in-syria.html

...Any unilateral action beyond UN Security Council Resolution 2170 will be considered an act of aggression against an independent state,” Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Miqdad said on Wednesday..."

Posted by: really | Aug 21 2014 20:16 utc | 18

Netanyahu again equates ISIS with Hamas and his traitorous lackeys in the US government back him up.

Adorable.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21 2014 20:22 utc | 19

Yah, Angry Arab doesn't add up for one.
Never has.

Posted by: Penny | Aug 21 2014 20:25 utc | 20

You know what is really funny. Now the msm story about ISIS funding itself by taking and ransoming hostages. Of course the "spineless" EU as reported by the msm should not be "giving"the terrorists money. How many freakin "ransom payoffs" has the EU completed? Where was the reporting of all this ISIS extortion? Now all of a sudden it is a story.

I am sure the msm will pull a number out of the air to tie in just nicely with the figures they been throwing around about how much money ISIS has. Btw, ISIS wanted $132,000,000 for journalist Foley...yeah right...

Posted by: really | Aug 21 2014 20:31 utc | 21

If the US is supplying Assad with intel why all the persistent spinning to arm the "moderate" rebels in Syria
Moderate of course being ISIS/AQ same/same

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21613260-if-islamic-state-be-stopped-iraq-it-must-be-stopped-syria-too-stop-them-both

"Mr Obama should now do what he ought to have done all along: give a decent supply of arms to Syria’s moderate rebels, who are equally menaced by IS"

Equally menaced by ISIS, sure.

Posted by: Penny | Aug 21 2014 20:35 utc | 22

from Common Dreams - The Double Identity of an "Anti-Semitic" commenter. Of course MOA doesn't have such people posting, does it? Does it?

http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

Posted by: Cal Hall | Aug 21 2014 20:36 utc | 23

About the failed attempt to rescue Foley:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamberger/a-syrian-activist-might-have-witnessed-the-failed-us-attack?utm_term=2nz9hjy#44gn4b8

It happened on July 3rd.

Also there is a pseudo-journalist Matthew VanDyke who is making the rounds on American TV to talk about his friend Foley. He is a fraud - he works either with the rebels or for the CIA:
http://www.digital-resistance.com/insight/vandyke-leaks/
Matthew Vandyke told Eliot Higgins (of the Brown Moses Blog) that he had information the rebels had chemical weapons and where behind the chemical weapons attack in Aleppo which killed many civilians. He told journalists that he believed the rebels would use those chemical weapons on their own people. Elliot higgins is the weapons expert that Human Rights watch and many other media have interviewed on his assertion that the Syrian government was behind the chemical weapons attacks in ghouta because the rebels didn’t have the ‘capability’. He was touting this even after knowing who the real culprits are!

Also Steven Sotloff of Time magazine helping Al Qaeda get into Syria. Sotloff is a hostage of ISIS and was mentioned in th enews.


Posted by: Yul | Aug 21 2014 20:45 utc | 24

The governor of TX declares that ISIS is going to sneak across the border from Mexico.

Gov. Rick Perry, Republican of Texas, on Thursday raised the “very real possibility” that individuals affiliated with the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and other terrorist groups have already slipped across the border as he made the case that border security was a pressing national security issue.

While Mr. Perry said that there was “no clear evidence” recruits from terrorist organizations had entered the United States illegally, he pointed to the number of violent crimes committed in recent years by illegal immigrants.

“I think there is the obvious, great concern that — because of the condition of the border from the standpoint of not being secure and us not knowing who is penetrating across — that individuals from ISIS or other terrorist states could be,” he said during a speech at the Heritage Foundation.

Hey, PTB, just tell us when the inevitable false flag is gonna be already. Sheesh.

Maybe we could all agree on one day - a national holiday! - and call it False Flag Day (Sept. 11?) where everyone gets the day off work but NO ONE KNOWS where the false flag will occur!!

How exciting!!

Trick or treat? Nope.

Trick or trick!!! How fun.

Then we'd AT LEAST be spared having to watch all of the asinine post-event narrative building.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21 2014 20:49 utc | 25

@15 Thanks Harry. I admire your certainty. Pepe Escobar makes a lot of sense but it seems strange that Obama AND Assad should both be bombing ISIS. No doubt all will become clear in due course.

Posted by: dh | Aug 21 2014 21:12 utc | 26

Itzik says that a spectacular fireworks display,cotton candy sticky,coming up,in saudi arabia.the oil cease to flow and the fight will be bloody mary at whiskey bar,billmon knows ask him
this is the turning point and collapse of wasabi thought machine
5 hands shall burn to ash
the doctor,the professor,the engineer, the reired general,the lawyer

Posted by: wes | Aug 21 2014 21:12 utc | 27

The answer to the question: why help Syria attack isis? Seems to be simple, if isis can regroup in Syria they still pose a huge threat to the Barzani Kurdistan. Which has been shown to be helpless without air support. This move will protect their client state, and base for destabilizing Iran.

I think the military establishment has understood the lack of 'moderate' rebels all the way through. Neocon hardliners haven't given up on it, but it seems like the pentagon has.

Posted by: Crest | Aug 21 2014 21:38 utc | 28

These shape-shifting, chameleon provocateurs hiding behind the guise of activism want nothing more than to sow chaos and discord like what the rebels these same critics decry are doing in Syria and The Levant in general. I was listening to this NPR Morning Edition broadcast this morning and I couldn’t help think of the similarities to Ferguson, Missouri. Ferguson is the microcosm of the Syria macrocosm — and that doesn’t bode well for Ferguson, or for America in general, if we allow these actors, and they are actors I assure you, to have their way. What the Foreign Affairs’ authors Erica Chenoweth and Maria Stephan talk about in that NPR Morning Edition segment is what should happen in Ferguson (non-violent movement) as a result of all this, not what’s happening now — and what is happening now is a microcosm of what is happening in Syria. Outside forces want to tear the house down and throw all the babies out with the murky bathwater. We can’t let them do it, and the way to avoid that is knowledge of the game that’s being played — the strategy that’s being employed and deployed.

Justice Is Blind

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 21 2014 21:47 utc | 29

@22

Wow, thanks for reposting that story from yesterday, first-time MOA poster, Cal Hall. Your "concern" is duly noted.

So, let's see, a person who was a professional hasbarist - although he denies it - was outed on CD because his comments had "driven away donors". Then Common Dreams - hmm, taking the bait of a professional intelligence trap? nah, couldn't be - decided to broaden their search for "anti-Semitic" posters going after one in particular who in his "nastier" "anti-Semitic" posts had this to say:

--"As if the Zio-Nazis would let anyone or anything stand against them and get in the way of their plans of world domination."

--"The dehumanization part of the Zio-Nazi was completed a long time ago.

Ooh, how nasty and scary especially given the genocide in Gaza and the appearance of Israelis wearing neo-Nazi regalia and threatening/ beating on protestors in Tel Aviv last month. Google for the photos. They're great.

Under this DISQUS name this guy left more than 1,000 comments on many many topics and I see nothing that can be construed as clear anti-Semitism even including the above quotes.

Even under his other user name I don't see what the problem was.

So, CD - a fairly popular "progressive" site - has now deemed itself a defender of the progressive left by going after comments that are of an anti-Zionist bent and this is just being splashed all across the blogosphere as a great thing.

From a decade+ of posting, I know that many people have been banned from that site for the merest of infractions - e.g., mentioning non-official 9/11 stories - but the overly-sensitive owners just decided to let the original blatantly anti-Semitic - he was - guy just spew and spew and spew because they somehow KNEW they were going to catch him and expose him, huh? Lucky ducks.

Gee, it's almost like someone really put some thought into this whole situation it's so effing clever how the outcome is : progressive websites - under the guise of hasbarist hunting - now permitted to go after anti-Zionist posters who are OBVIOUSLY all really working for the JIDF and NOT just concerned regular people who just hate the apartheid genocidal state of Israel?

So, Cal Hall, what are you doing here besides attempting to stifle discussion with your insinuations? Yesterday bevin literally tossed the Hasbara Handbook at me and today we have someone wanting to broaden the hunt for "undercover hasbarists" who - how clever - one is able to spot by their anti-Zionist postings.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21 2014 21:49 utc | 30

from Common Dreams - The Double Identity of an "Anti-Semitic" commenter. Of course MOA doesn't have such people posting, does it? Does it?

http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs
Posted by: Cal Hall | Aug 21, 2014 4:36:32 PM | 22

The place is covered in them. I've never seen anything like it (that's a lie — yes I have). If you get a close-knit group that talks as though it's one, like we have here, you can be sure a scam is being run. It is on-message all the time and the various posters are not open to challenging their paradigms in any way. It's as though they're on a mission — and maybe they are.

Thanks for that link. Common Dreams isn't alone. Many comment sections are inundated with these creeps. I cover it in my very first blog post. I've studied them, and it, so long now, I can spot the chameleons a mile away regardless of whether they change their spots and coloring.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 21 2014 21:57 utc | 31

Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), the highest-ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, told Oklahoma City FOX affiliate KOKH 25 that because of the threat of groups like ISIS “we're in the most dangerous position we've ever been in as a nation.”
“[ISIS], they're crazy out there, and they're rapidly developing a method of blowing up a major US city” he said.

Posted by: Reilly B | Aug 21 2014 22:17 utc | 32

something doesn't add up with this story line..

Posted by: james | Aug 21, 2014 3:27:54 PM | 11

Or maybe something's wrong with your model. Try being a little more flexible and adjusting your model. When and if you do, it just may fit.

Never think you have it all figured out. If you do, you're lost for sure.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 21 2014 22:46 utc | 33

LOL Cold Horseshit. You've really gone for the gold this time. I don't know if you also do a fake anti-Zionist bit, but you do the actual Zionist bit to perfection. Luckily people can spot a zio-dildo like you from a mile away.

If true, it exposes the utter pathology of the US doctrine in its most extreme. From decrying daily the "dictator" killing "his own people", to supporting him? Surely the "journalists" - if they're worthy of the name - in the State Department press pool would have a field day with that....

I don't know about Assad taking US help to fight ISIS. I mean, I can't imagine why he would need it. Syria is doing plenty well without the help of their arch-enemies, and surely the Russians would happily provide him all the precision ammunition he needs. Assad has little to gain from a fair weather alliance with the Western powers. The fact is that ISIS position is very, very weak - without the constant support from the west. That should be the focus of every news organization worth its salt - where did and where is ISIS arms and funding coming from?

It doesn't fit, but I suppose stranger things have happened.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 21 2014 22:52 utc | 34

Peter Radiator #7 above used the phrase "recent Western media demonization of ISIS". There's been an awful lot of scurrilous falsehoods against ISIS in the Western news media recently. I say they're scurrilous falsehoods, though technically it would be more objective to say they're allegations without decent evidence, allegations based on the mere testimony of highly unreliable purported eyewitness.

As reflecting the rubbish that's been in the newspapers, a statement by Obama yesterday contains more of the same rubbish about ISIS including the following sentence from Obama: "They abduct women and children, and subject them to torture and rape and slavery." http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/20/statement-president .

People in the Western news media are believing and assuming that ISIS is deranged, irrational, wontonly malicious, cruel perverts, etc. -- which is out of sync with the actual true spirit of ISIS.

ISIS wants Christians to pay a tax because this is endorsed in the Quran. Historically the size of the tax was always small, far smaller than the size of the income tax rates imposed on everybody in the developed countries today. Historically the Muslims were tolerant and respectful towards Christians under Muslim rule, and ISIS shows every intention of continuing that tradition -- you can see this shown, as I've seen it shown, in ISIS's official and actual policies towards Christians in the localities in Syria that are currenty under ISIS control. The stories that ISIS in Mosul forced Christians to flee Mosul are a complete crock of shit. Again, it is true that ISIS would impose a tax on Christians as per the Quran. But that doesn't force Christians to flee Mosul no more that if the tax authorities where you live were to raise the tax on tobacco, or introduce a tax on pigmeat, and it would induce the tobacco smokers or sausage lovers to urgently flee to another jurisdiction. What's ISIS true policy about Yazidis? What's this policy as pronounced from authoritative ISIS sources and repeated by multiple ISIS people as a formal ISIS party-line on Yazidis? I haven't heard it. I've heard some individual Muslim puritans say that the religion of the Yazidis isn't eligible for the deeply established toleration given to Christianity under the 14 centuries of Muslim rule. Those remarks of individuals have been played up by the always-juvenille Western news media without getting the actual doctrinal reality from ISIS itself. The Western news media has been saying ISIS has been recently taking the time to murder the peaceful Yazidis for their religion. But there are almost no dead bodies on display, no short-term rational motives in terms of ISIS's own rationality framework, and no official authorization from ISIS. It stinks of false propaganda. False propaganda is coming from people in Iraq who are at war with ISIS.

I can tell you, but you already know, ISIS denies that Obama is correct when Obama says ISIS subjects women and children to torture and rape and slavery. The ISIS people are very religious and, as part of that, they have a strong sense of right and wrong, and torturing and raping women and children is wrong under ISIS's sense of right and wrong. Within the ranks of the thousands of ISIS fighters, there may be what Donald Rumsfeld would call "a few bad apples", but it would be just foolish to understand the whole organization as malevolent perverts just because it may harbour a few bad apples.

Obama also said yesterday: "They [ISIS] target Christians and religious minorities, driving them from their homes, murdering them when they can, for no other reason than they practice a different religion." http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/20/statement-president . That's a straight-up definite falsehood as far as Christians are concerned. Obama also said: "They [ISIS] declared their ambition to commit genocide against an ancient people [the Yazidis]." I don't believe such a declaration from ISIS exists.

What's going on here is juvenille and stupid demonizing of ISIS. An elementary first step towards intelligence is to understand ISIS in ISIS own terms, which the Western media is not even attempting to do. Another elementary first step is to NOT believe the testimonies of the would-be eyewitnesses against ISIS. These purported eyewitnesses are probably liars, who are probably lying for the purpose of getting the Western masses to support Western governments to intervene on their side in their conflict with ISIS, similar to the purported eyewitness liars of a couple of years ago who were swearing they saw the Assadists behaving as depraved killers. The scurrilous falsehoods against ISIS today are similar to the scurrilous falsehoods against the Syrian security forces back in 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21 2014 22:53 utc | 35

having your patsies execute a public beheading..or appear to... is always a good idea to whip up public outrage in a 'democratic' society.You can then claim you have public backing for your (re-)invasion

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:00 utc | 36

Posted by: dh | Aug 21, 2014 2:39:41 PM | 4


see @33

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:01 utc | 37

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21, 2014 6:53:52 PM | 32

amazing!...incredible! I dont whats worse..the media beat up or Parvs beat down! his defebnce of ISIS is risible, esp as ISIS has committed atrocities in syria long before the present incident.

two guesses Parvs is a sunni supporter of ISIS. ISIS didnt exist till recently, when it took over Raqqa province.

tho i hate to do so,lets taek alook at a wiki:

'In March 2013, during the Syrian civil war, Islamist jihadist militants from Al-Nusra Front and other groups overran the government loyalists in the city and declared it under their control after seizing the central square and pulling down the statue of the former president of Syria Hafez al-Assad.[4]

The Al Qaeda-affiliated Al-Nusra Front set up a sharia court at the sports centre[5] and in early June 2013 the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) said they were open to receive complaints at their Raqqa headquarters.[6]

Since May 2013 the ISIS has been increasing its control over the city, at the expense of the Free Syrian Army and the Al-Nusra Front. The ISIS has executed Alawites and suspected supporters of Bashar al-Assad in the city and attacked the city's Shia mosques and Christian churches[7] such as the Armenian Catholic Church of the Martyrs, which has since been converted into an ISIS headquarters. The Christian population of Ar-Raqqah, which was estimated to be as many as 10% of the total population before the civil war began, has largely fled the city.[8][9][10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar-Raqqah
even in 2013, christians in raqqa were hardly treated with a mere tax.

if theres any scurrility its being executed by Parvs whos beheading reality.

ISIS are mostly iraqis,.,who have no right beyond might to take over any syrian territory, let alone evict its inhabitants..

Shame on Parviziyi!

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:09 utc | 38

if ISIS were to flood syria and take over the entire country, what would happen to shia and christians? create an Islamic State where only one set of muslmis were allowed and the states secular nature would be history.
You can be sure we'd see plenty of real public executions

is that what parvs wants?

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:15 utc | 39

Parviziyi can come up with whatever nonsense he wants, but he is suddenly trying to put the smily face on a group who is directly responsible for the deaths of at least 50,000 in Syria, as well as being in possession of poison gas and most likely the gassing in Ghouta.

ISIS are demons. Their actions in Syria have proved it. For the White House to now play up the horrors they have committed when it is useful for them is evidence of their utter hypocrisy, not that ISIS are a bunch of misunderstood fellows who just want to tax the Christian's cigarettes.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 21 2014 23:16 utc | 40

another view of ISIS:

Let’s talk about the most recent invasion–of ISIS. Why now?
S: The answer to that is very simple. ISIS had been fighting in Syria, receiving training and arms from the USA and its local allies, they were beaten in Syria and they had nowhere to go but back to Iraq.
D: So, most of them are from Iraq?
S: Most of them, yes, but they have fighters from Saudi Arabia and other places.

.....
D: Iraq has had a long secular history, and religious tolerance has been the tradition in Iraq for a very long time. Why would young Iraqi Sunnis join religious fundamentalist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS?
S: Religion is one motivation. The invasion has brought the whole historical sectarian tension between Sunni and Shia to the fore in Iraq. But, religion is certainly not the only motivation. Iraq has become an arena for the conflicting interests of the Gulf monarchies and Iran to be played out. The crisis in Syria has greatly intensified this conflict of interest in Iraq. In a certain sense, also, these groups can appear as the only real way to fight Western cultural and economic imperialism. Everything Western is isolated and rejected.
D: They seem to have no problem with accepting US weapons and training in Syria.
S: That’s true, but they feel they are using the USA, just as the USA feels it’s using them. We also have to consider the billions of dollars the Gulf monarchies have poured into these groups. For a poor young man, with very little prospects, the power that comes with having Gulf money in your pocket and a gun in your hand is very appealing. And they see the massive corruption in Iraq today. Public property being handed out to a select few– in effect, judicially stolen from the people. And then the billions of state funds that have simply been stolen in the old fashioned way: simple fraud–and US soldiers and corporations were often the biggest heads in the trough. Well, the idea of returning to an Islamic purity, where the corrupt were punished and the righteous exalted is very attractive.
etc
http://zeroanthropology.net/2014/08/10/an-interview-with-iraqi-lawyer-sadiq-al-timimi-on-the-current-crisis-in-iraq/

so do syrians want ISIS on their soil? NO. do iraqis? see above

NOTE ISIS has made no effort to aid palestinians: NADA

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:19 utc | 41

'With one American journalist, TIME reporter Steven Sotloff, still missing and allegedly being held by ISIS terrorists, further US military incursions into Syrian territory may be attempted under a similar alleged pretense. To further justify expanding across the border and into Syria already ongoing US military operations in Iraq, the Western media has begun claiming that ISIS leadership, "fearing" US airstrikes, are fleeing to safety in neighboring Syria. '

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21, 2014 2:51:44 PM | 6

yep...this sounds about right.

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:21 utc | 42

Posted by: harry law | Aug 21, 2014 3:46:08 PM | 14

'Takfiri' is a useless blanket term. It doesnt tell us who.

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:25 utc | 43

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 21, 2014 7:16:19 PM | 37

right...the defence of ISIS and their wretched tax let alone their very real atrocities is execrable

Posted by: brian | Aug 21 2014 23:26 utc | 44

@ Brian #35 : See the following video from Vice News from time 4:00 to time 5:08. That's 68 seconds. It's about the legal status of Christians in Raqqa city, as reported by a person at the Raqqa courthouse who's responsible for legal affairs of Christians, dated June or early July 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQwTOsh__0

If you've got more time for learning about ISIS rule in Raqqa see another Vice News video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOaBNbdUbcA

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21 2014 23:28 utc | 45

@ Brian: I wanted to mention that on that youtube video at #42 you need to turn all captions OFF (or otherwise you may not be able to see the underlying captions in English).

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21 2014 23:35 utc | 46

There are many, many accounts of how "willing" Israel would be to "defend" Jordan if ISIS attacks.

Look at this one:

Israeli diplomats told their American counterparts that Israel would be willing to launch a military operation "in order to save the Kingdom of Jordan".

Not that Jordan has asked for this (and would certainly reject it - Inviting the Israelis into the country would be anathema, even those under the rule of "King Playstation".

A spokeswoman for the Jordanian embassy in Washington, Dana Daoud, said the country’s military and security forces were fully capable of meeting the ISIS threat.

In any case, it's all bullshit which even the Israeli press admits (from Haaretz):"The organization formerly known as ISIS has made clear that fighting Shi’ite Muslims is its top priority." [link]

I'm with those who say all of this is all pure theater. We have seen this all before. Its every bit as phony as when Don King gets his two heavyweights into the same room to talk shit on each other.

What's more, ISIS is the perfect way for the US to get involved in the region - even to get in good with Assad should they try. Especially if Russia can be embroiled with the Ukraine. After all, the US has only to dangle the threat of ISIS in front of the governments in Syria, Iraq, and Kurdistan. In fact, anywhere in the region the US can play the old "I put poison in your drink, and I'll give you the antidote if you just..." The beauty of the US gambit is that it doesn't even have to admit administering the poison! More "Oh... looks like someone poisoned you! I have the antidote - all you have to do is X, Y, and Z...".

Its a dirty fucking game as far as I can tell.

There is one intent to all of this in my mind - to drag the American people kicking and screaming into another Middle Eastern war, all to establish the anti-Shia bastion in the midsts of the Iranian supply lines to Hezbollah. And then, if that happens, you'll see a replay of Gaza in the mountains and hills of Southern Lebanon and the final attempts to quash the Palestinian resistance. This is, clearly, the lower limits of the Middle East plan for the Israelis.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 21 2014 23:41 utc | 47

Ah haha. Parivizi. Vice News? No thanks. That's an old bit of theirs. They've been trying to play down the threat of ISIS from day one. They have been pushing that line since day one - like this gem: Mosul Residents Enjoy Calmer Lives Under ISIS Control, For Now.

When the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) overran Iraq’s second city of Mosul, many feared sectarian massacres and brutal violence from the extremist Sunni militants. As many 500,000 people fled the city on the first day, according to the UN.

Now, many citizens have returned. Instead of imposing its extreme interpretation of Islamic law and carrying out threats of killing Shiites wherever it found them, ISIS has remained more moderate. As a result, it has found support among local residents, some of whom told VICE News that they are happy with life under their new leaders.

It's all good! is the story VICE wants you to hear. And it goes without saying that VICE is every bit the MSM, even if it does so in a Brooklyn hipster aesthetic. There is no difference, except which segment of the population the bullshit is aimed at.

Posted by: guest77 | Aug 21 2014 23:47 utc | 48

I for one would not recommend downloading or watching ISIS or any other "terrorist" media and videos. That may come back to bite ya....

Posted by: really | Aug 21 2014 23:47 utc | 49

Chuck Hagel pisses his pants.

ISIS poses greater threat than - hold on now - 9/11!!!!Cue the scary music!!!

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21 2014 23:59 utc | 50

More from Hagel:

"This is beyond anything that we've seen. We must prepare for everything."

Please wake us from this retarded nightmare of nonsense bullcrap before we end our own species.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 22 2014 0:02 utc | 51

@brian #38:

Thanks for that. Since I don't follow the Middle East very closely, it's hard for me to wrap my head around the various machinations concerning ISIS. MoA comments are my main resource for trying to understand this.

@Parviziyi #42:

That Vice News presents a sympathetic portrayal of ISIS is a good indication that ISIS is a child of the CIA/Mossad. Vice News likes the Kiev junta too, and hates "homophobic" Russia.

By the way, since when did "Allah" in Arabic speech or writing get translated to "God" in English? Everyone knows what Allah is, so those subtitles from the Vice News video using "God" instead of "Allah" are just wrong and manipulative. Allah and the Christian God are two different deities. To a Christian, the only way to God is through Christ. Since Muslims reject the divinity of Christ, they reject God. Hence, Vice News' practice of substituting "God" for Christ is anti-Christian.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 22 2014 0:12 utc | 52

More from the Zionist paper of record the NYT:

Some American experts believe it will be impossible to deliver a decisive blow against the militant group without attacking its operations in Syria. American officials said that the United States was conducting reconnaissance over Syria, but that attacks by drones or manned strike aircraft on ISIS positions in Syria had not been ordered. The president sent a Special Operations team into Syria last month in a vain effort to rescue hostages held by ISIS.

Another step that some experts say will be needed to challenge the militant groups is a stepped up program to train, advise and equip the moderate opposition in Syria as well as Kurdish and government forces in Iraq.

As proven during the initial American military mission to route Al Qaeda and the Taliban from Afghanistan after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, American airstrikes would be more effective if small teams of Special Operations Forces were deployed to identify ISIS targets and call in attacks. Deploying such teams is believed to be one option the Pentagon is considering. But no teams have been deployed yet.

According to an American intelligence estimate, ISIS could not be easily defeated by killing its top leadership. Given its decentralized command and control, experienced militants could easily replenish its upper ranks, American officials said.

Nope, this doesn't sound AT ALL like a rehash of Al-CIAda and GWOT 1.0. Not at all.

Ok, huddle up now, war criminals!!!

One the count of three I want everyone to piss their pants in front of whatever camera/reporter is in your vicinity so that they UNDERSTAND that ISIS is the scariest threat we have ever confronted.

Even scarier than....

Yes, even scarier than 9/11. gasp.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 22 2014 0:14 utc | 53

Another interesting thing in the video at Parviziyi #42 is that I get to see that, in ISIS-controlled Raqqa in June 2014, the money currency in everyday use is the Syrian Pound issued by the government in Damascus. The video shows ISIS partisans counting SYP 1000 banknotes (which have picture of Hafez Assad on the face of the banknote, although Hafez's picture is obscured in the camera view). Thus, demand for the Syrian Pound is holding up well and is not getting displaced by other currencies in rebel-controlled Raqqa. This is good news and interesting news for the people in Damascus who have the magical ability to print the money. It's in the Vice News video at time 6:49 - 6:52, and 7:09 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQwTOsh__0

That video is part of a set of three or four videos from ISIS-controlled Raqqa published recently by Vice News at Youtube. Another thing I found noteworthy about the set is that it has lots of footage of the streets of downtown Raqqa and it shows that some large percentage of the retail shops are not open for business. Many shop owners have left town, or consider the atmosphere too unfavourable to be operating their shops, because the volume of customers is too low, or there's a danger of violence. The current overall lack of vibrancy in Raqqa's retail businesses, and the continuing predominance of the Damascus-issued banknotes, re-inforces the opinion of many observers of Syria that it's only a matter of time before the Syrian army successfully re-takes control of Raqqa; it's only a matter of when, not if.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 22 2014 0:20 utc | 54

@37 guest77

Wasn't it a nusra front group who was supplied the sarin stuff via Turkish intelligence, who did the false flag attack in Ghouta? Not ISIS?

Posted by: Crest | Aug 22 2014 0:26 utc | 55

As the country that sent a Canadian citizen for torture and incarceration not all that far back, Ive always found the demonizing of Assad to be the height of hypocrisy. We know of the Canadian only because he is North American, so the number of citizens/residents of other countries rendered to Syria is probably more than zero. Presumably at some level, at some point, Assad was a "friend". Then to repeat the same mistake as made in Iraq of regime change is to do an irresponsible social experiment with entirely predictable results. Every attempt at a do-over in the mid-east results in a worse situation. No it's not the oil it's the stupid.

Posted by: YY | Aug 22 2014 0:34 utc | 56

I know I've been criticized for repeatedly mentioning the fairy tale nonsense of 9/11 here but what we are about to witness - I wish I could say "unbelievably" - once again in the coming days/weeks/months is what happens when you allow a society's commitment to discerning/discovering truth to be crushed/overwhelmed by purposeful fear-mongering and deflection. Read through the NYT comments at the story I linked to above - yes, let's pretend they're all real and NOT part of the propaganda for a second - and to a person every commentator buys into the ISIS being a real legitimate force of irrepressible evil that just NEEDS TO BE DEALT with and NOT a Zionist/US-backed vehicle for the furthering of TPTB's goals/aims.

And for the rest of us who may be onto their nonsense? Why, we get to watch it happen all over again like a bad rerun; one made nightmarish because we can't even discuss it with anyone - family, friends, co-workers, etc - because they DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO REMEMBER SEEING THE MOVIE THE FIRST TIME!

America: Come for the murderous violence; stay for the societal insanity.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 22 2014 0:46 utc | 57

@ YY #53
Correct - rendition was OK but then all those R2Pers and so called Humanitarians like Bernard Henry Levy who may not have been in a uniform even in The French Army and neocons want regime change in Syria and Iran.
Guess who trained the SAVAK in Iran.
It is stupid and the oil ( at least maintaining the price of oil at a certain level). Otherwise why do you think they are protecting Erbil and they don't give a hoot about Anbar or the other Sunni areas. Just Google Erbil Chamber of Commerce and see how many foreign companies are making $$$$ in Erbil. They even have an American Village - new housing development by a company who got there early after 2003 .

Posted by: Yul | Aug 22 2014 0:53 utc | 58

http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/08/21/isil-commander-flees-syria-u-s-steps-air-strikes-iraq/

According to this link Isis leader al bahgdadi flees to syria due to US. air strikes...Well we just gotta be able to drop bombs in syria now. Assad is harboring the ISIS leader..oh gawd...Where is doily pants lindsey graham?

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 1:05 utc | 59

@22 Cal Hal

That dual identity tactic seems very familiar. Post conspiracies about the monster in the closet country like a fucking lunatic, and let a good website be smeared.

Posted by: Crest | Aug 22 2014 1:14 utc | 60

JSor @ 5: "I'm gonna err on the side of caution and say the war criminal Zionist US will find a "fortuitous" event that will just happen to further their agenda probably something really "classy" if the past is prologue."

And those "events" just keep on coming. Do we detect a pattern here? Mmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: ben | Aug 22 2014 1:16 utc | 61

apparaently iraqi ISIS dosent recognise state borders, a peoplse right to the land they occupy(shades of zionist israel) or international law./..for them, the only law is what they fabricate from their quran.

hence their take over of raqqa province in syria

Posted by: brian | Aug 22 2014 1:20 utc | 62

VICE is well named..goodness knows why they chose to paint a target on their belly

Posted by: brian | Aug 22 2014 1:25 utc | 63

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21, 2014 7:28:35 PM | 42


where does a foreign nonsyrian entity like ISIS geta away telling syrians their 'legal' standings in their own land, let alone take over their land?

this is just like if even worse thjan the zionists and the fascists in ukraine.

this is my objection to the quran...its a book that in the wrong hands is dangerous: it implies abolute power and right to the believer

Posted by: brian | Aug 22 2014 1:29 utc | 64

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21, 2014 7:28:35 PM | 42

i learned all i ned to know about ISIS when they invaded syria, killed syrians and took over syrian land and towns...like the religious fanatics they are... ironically theyve been dependent on great Satan

Posted by: brian | Aug 22 2014 1:31 utc | 65

more on saintly ISIS : from Global Research:

'We bring to the attention of our readers a report by Amnesty International first published in December 2013 concerning the atrocities committed by the ISIS Al Qaeda affiliated rebels in Syria.

Ironically, while Amnesty International acknowledges that the US sponsored rebels have committed these atrocities, it points its finger at Bashar al Assad and calls upon the Syrian government to “end its violations of human rights and international law, including the use of torture in its own detention centers”,

AI fails to acknowledge that these atrocities were committed by rebel groups which are recruited, trained, armed and financed by the Western military alliance.

The ISIS is a creation of US intelligence. Among its main architects are John Negroponte and the former ambassador to Syria Robert Stephen Ford.

These crimes against humanity were ordered by US-NATO-Israel-Saudi Arabia. These rebel detention centres were set up with their knowledge and support.

While Amnesty International draws up so-called recommendations requesting the terrorists to stop the killings and atrocities, the political handlers of these rebels, including Washington and NATO headquarters in Brussels, which are involved in their training and financing are not explicitly mentioned.

AI nonetheless calls upon the governments of the Gulf States including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE to cease financing and training the terrorists. This statement on the part of Amnesty , constitutes a tacit acknowledgment that the rebels are supported covertly by the Gulf States, which are allies of US and NATO”


Publicly renounce the provision of any financial or material support, including arms transfers, to ISIS and all other armed groups alleged to be responsible for committing war crimes or grave human rights abuses in Syria.

 Take effective measures to prevent the transfer of financial or material support to ISIS and other armed groups alleged to be committing war crimes and serious human rights abuses in Syria.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/amnesty-report-harrowing-torture-summary-killings-in-secret-isis-detention-centers-in-syria/5362282

Posted by: brian | Aug 22 2014 1:34 utc | 66

"...Read overwhelmed by purposeful fear-mongering and deflection. Read through the NYT comments at the story I linked to above - yes let's pretend they're all real and NOT part of the propaganda for being a real legitimate force of irrepressible evil that just NEEDS TO BE DEALT with and NOT a Zionist/US-backed vehicle for the furthering of TPTB's goals/aims.

And for the rest of us who may be onto their nonsense? Why, we get to watch it happen all over again like a bad rerun; one made nightmarish because we can't even discuss it with anyone family, friends, co-workers, etc - because they DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO REMEMBER SEEING THE MOVIE THE FIRST TIME America: Come for the murderous violence; stay for the societal insanity.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 21, 2014 8:46:23 PM | 54

Yeah it appears that the world is being setup yet again for another spectacular horror...where will it take place...San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, Miami, Dallas, London, Paris, Berlin, New York, Boston Madrid, Athens in Greece, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Portland, Dublin, Stockholm, Oslo.........or maybe they will just wipe out some small to medium sized town....what will it entail....maybe another mh17...small tactical nuke... another 9/11...bioweapons...etc., etc.

I hope nothing occurs, but all the signs are pointing that way. There are clearly insane beings running the planet.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 1:51 utc | 67

- Perhaps ISIS can buy some russian or ukrainian BUK anti air missiles on the black market and shoot those drones out of the sky ???
- I don't think bombing ISIS is a good thing. Syria has been ravaged by a civil war and now the US adding (more) fuel to the fire in the Middle East by bombing ISIS as well. I think it will fan the flames of hate even higher. And polarize the situation in the Middle East & Europe (think european muslims) even more.

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 22 2014 2:19 utc | 68

Parviziyi@32

Great comment and clear analysis of the reality of what is occuring in Syria and Iraq.

The Islamic State's PsyOps and Western propaganda have driven many commenters and pundits quite mad so don't take their criticism too seriously.

The fear, loathing and confusion is at such a fevered pitch today that if a thousand Islamic State fighters invaded NYC the whole city would evacuate screaming all the way to the mountains.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 22 2014 2:46 utc | 69

The political handlers of Badasyan, which is involved in his training and financing is not explicitly mentioned.
"Mischa Badasyan is a 26-year-old performance artist and activist whose next project is turning heads. He has a plan to have sex with someone different, every day, for a year.

That's the basis of Badasyan's new project, "Save the Date," the latest in a line of works that explore modern ideas of sexuality and homosexuality. Badasyan, who was born in Russia and now lives in Berlin, has received unprecedented international media attention, both good and bad, for "Save the Date." The project will begin in September. Badasyan chatted with Mic via Skype about this latest controversial project — a performance that he says is inspired by the gay condition,
Taiwanese artists and French philosophy."
And those projects just keep on coming. Do we detect a pattern?
I want everyone to piss their pants in front of whatever camera/reporter is in your vicinity so that they UNDERSTAND that Badasyan is the scariest threat we have ever confronted.

Posted by: Weeks | Aug 22 2014 3:17 utc | 70

[...] The fear, loathing and confusion is at such a fevered pitch today that if a thousand Islamic State fighters invaded NYC the whole city would evacuate screaming all the way to the mountains.
Should of course those same thousand IS fighters rock up way out west, you and Parviziyi would be discussing taxation matters with them over a friendly cuppa.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Aug 22 2014 3:37 utc | 71

Posted by: Parviziyi | Aug 21, 2014 6:53:52 PM | 32

Thanks for the heads-up on the EVIL (but not as evil as US.gov) ISIS. It's easy to forget that when a US President tells us how EVIL an individual is, and backs it up with ridiculous lies, it ALWAYS means that we're about to have our collective chain "YANKED" by the MSM.

Perhaps if US.gov had told us that ISIS had snatched babies from humicribs and smashed their heads against walls, or that ISIS is even more EVIL than Saddam or Ghadaffi, then fewer ppl would have been fooled. But Obama didn't say that so ISIS remains an EVIL, but extremely convenient and timely, US asset.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 22 2014 3:50 utc | 72

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 21, 2014 10:46:16 PM | 66


ISIS is mostly an iraqi fundamentalistt sunni movement, yet they feel they have the right to set up theor caliphate whereever they like, and eveyone has to do as they are told ...today its in Raqqa SYRIA,.,..tomorrow, it could be in a country near you

Posted by: brian | Aug 22 2014 5:05 utc | 73

The point about depciting persons or groups as mad raving *evil* is, imho, to leave out the "cui bono" question. Why the hell would Assad use chemical weapons, it doesn't make any sense at all? -> Because he's an irrational monster, believe me. Why would isis blow up a water barrage dam in the mountains? -> they're sooo evil madmen. Frankly, I can't see who's working for whose interests and how credible the spontaneous rising of such a (if we believe the media) major force like isis is, the only thing an armchair politico like me can analyze is the domestic, and, partially, international media. The way the coverage about isis takes an emotional-irrational spin is quite suspicious, but nonetheless some of them may actually crazy psychotics as well as on some western payroll.
If you consider that american plans to "redraw" the map are at least 10 years old click (I guess the map has been modified in details... Looks like Kurdistan will not have turkish territory... maybe Barzani is just the man to make a deal like that) then isis are doing a great job materializing this plan. The name "islamic state in iraq and syria" could actually be the precise description of what the US had in mind for their "sunni iraq" state. So maybe they'll have Assad (more probably his successor) keep the western part of former syria.
Anyway, the current media campaign may just be a distraction to make people believe that isis is not a direct franchise of the empire.

Posted by: radiator | Aug 22 2014 5:41 utc | 74

@redrawing of maps this looks like an update. Notice how the friends of the empire remain unotuched ;-). No turkish kurdistan, no "south jordania". Maybe because jordan is to be the new (or the only) palestine.

Posted by: radiator | Aug 22 2014 5:47 utc | 75

Couldn't much of this be read as the Pentagon seizing an opportunity to beat up on their rivals over at the Firm?

The Firm had their way in Syria, but they couldn't keep the dog in the yard. Now it's the military's turn to have some fun, and make their industry friends some money.

Posted by: jay | Aug 22 2014 7:05 utc | 76

Re b's post, I just see more evidence that there may be "two CIA's" which are at loggerheads. One is gone to the neocons and spews what we have been seeing - Assad attacked his own people with bad gas, Ukraine rebels brought down MH17, Putin planning to take over eastern Europe, ISIS threatens "moderate" rebels in Syria - so we must help the former etc etc. The "other CIA" whispers in Sy Hersh and Robert Parry's ears, secretly helps Asssad with intelligence now and then, and makes sure that there is no united intelligence position that can be trotted out to support whatever little false flag or tall tale the neocon branch has concocted.

Interestingly, most of the military echelons are on the side of the "good CIA" and they feed each other information and co-ordinate responses or non-responses. So, the "good CIA/military" could well supply intelligence to the Syrian Army and may have been doing so for a while now. It is also arresting the rush to deploy various aircraft - something the neocons are eagerly planning, which is why the US is not [yet] running bombing campaigns in east Syria or Aleppo.

Another possible evidence for reliable intelligence the SAA has gotten recently is a successful ambush of an attack on an air base in east syria just a day or two ago. The attack was apparently well anticipated and most of the ISIS would-be perpetrators parted to the neterlands. This, in tandem with the targeted SAF attacks in Raqqa that b mentioned.

The question is, of course, which faction is likely to win. Clearly, the neocons are strong, as daily articles in the NYT and WaPo show. They are literally foaming at the mouth to attack Syria through the "back door", so much so that even the usually excerable Thomas Friedman had a few words of caution for the "buddies" (not a good idea, said Friedman, in not so many words).

Right now, it is my belief that there is a battle going on with regard to the MH17 story. the story disappeared off all the headlines all at once for a reason. The story the neocon planners (through Kiev friends) wanted could not be corroborated, not even with manipulated recordings. Part of the problem is that by now "they" know the Russians have enough to blow up whatever story they come up with, hence the reluctance to release a "doctored" black box recordings. Neocons may be stupid, but not so much that they like egg on their faces.

This battle is going on hand in hand with the battles in east Ukraine, the battles in Syria and the battles against ISIS in Iraq. I think that all of these show some schizophrenia on the part of the American government, so my theory (well, it's not really so mine - I read similar in at least a couple of places) of two factions within American intelligence might kind of explain the strange chaotic responses we are seeing.

Sorry for the lack of links. Too lazy.

Posted by: Merlin2 | Aug 22 2014 8:03 utc | 77

We must prepare for everything!!
Remember the Maine!!
Remember the Lusitania!!
Remember, uh, Grenada!!
I got Yellow Cake on my fingers!!
Muslims and Migras!! Ebola and Africans!!
On to Tehran!! Lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu!!

What this tells me is that OEF-A is still a wild-card, and MIC is crack-spreading their flash-war options to another +13% year-after-decade budget increase (is that to represent the 13 original colonies? hmmm); also that Obama is letting 800,000 H-1B Hindoos and their spouses into the US for a high-tech hand-off, once The Chosen dial back QEn, and the full weight of $500 BILLION a year in perpetual interest-only debt FOREVER bites USA hard.

Forget the global collateral damage, by this time next year, the economy and the market may well be in the tip bin, 100% of Americans' last life savings will be going to MIC and The Chosen, and the Hindoos will be working the pumps to keep The Edifice Shining On The Hill.

"We won, you lost. It's just business, get over it!! NOW GET OFF OUR LAND!"

"They are all just useless mouths to feed."

Posted by: ChipNikh | Aug 22 2014 8:30 utc | 78

“now you return to bomb the Muslims of Iraq once again, this time resorting to Arial attacks and ‘proxy armies’, all the while cowardly shying away from a face-to-face confrontation!”
I guess there's no need to supply a link, since the "final email" is published all over the place. In other words "we demand you come and fight us (face to face). Now if that's not a nice invitation for western intervention. Would anyone be so dumb to buy this bullshit? You bet.

Posted by: radiator | Aug 22 2014 8:40 utc | 79

b- as I’ve said before, you are wrong on this, especially the idea that some sort of compact with Assad exists. Things could hardly be worse. I hope that the BRICS have some sort of response up their sleeves, or are at least content to watch the US continue to waste its time, money, soft power, and opportunity costs waist deep in the Big Wadi.

For those who lack either the time, or ability, to read and understand political speech, I have taken the liberty to summarize the latest 5 point plan for dealing with ISIS by America’s foremost neo-con Middle East expert. Read and weep.

A Five-Step Plan to Destroy the Islamic State
By Zalmay Khalilzad
(By the way, the title is not a joke, although it could be.)

5 points, followed by translation from Political Newspeak to everyday English:

1. Mobilize a Major Humanitarian-Relief Effort: read as: Drum up human interest and manufacture consent through “relief” efforts, also draw up and begin instituting a region-wide control plan for industrial and agricultural development policy under US hegemony and financial control.
2. Catalyze Settlements to Unify Anti-IS Groups in Iraq and Syria: read as: Continue with stealth ethnic and religious cleansing of the remaining population into new powerless and polarized Bantustans, clear out significant space for future military mobilization and bases without pesky resntful natives, Semi-Autonomous Kurdistan, Force Assad to “share power” with re-armed “moderate” puppets.
3.Field Robust Supporting Military Operations: read as: Stage 1) Bomb whatever the fuck we want to achieve our goals, while claiming we are acting as humanitarians protecting the needy, r2p warmed over. Stage 2 implicit) Re-occupy.
4. Internationalize the Anti-IS Effort: read as: Form another Coalition of the Willing again from the countries of the “free world,” like the newly fascist EU and our rapidly democratizing friends in the Gulf.
5. Prepare the American People for a Costly, Long-Term Mission: read as: Project For a New American Century, round two, another 15-25 years of no jobs or social services while we kill people we don’t know, again. Have government purchase massive amounts of lube while the public clasps its ankles and prays.

And its one, two, three, four..... what are we blogging for...
Yipee!

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2014 8:45 utc | 80

By the way, its no accident that our new "Iraqi" puppet, Haider al-Abadi, is from London for the last few decades.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2014 8:50 utc | 81

I'm sceptical, but will reserve judgement on this until the issue of arming the "moderate" Syrian opposition raises its head again as a means of combating IS, as it has now been usefully demonstrated to us with countless photo-ops how arming the Peshmerga in Iraq can be effective..

Then we'll know what's really going on.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Aug 22 2014 8:59 utc | 82

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This is all Shakespearean street theater: First the Fool, My Pet Goat, strumpeting a 2000 Right-Wing Coup, then a thunderous fireworks on Sep11 shouting The Show Has Begun!, as an Anti-Christ Junta began their methodical flailing is the word, flailing the hides off the global body politic, in the rise of ArchDukes and Pontificates. A New Global Oiligarchy.

This US-proxy ISIS, which had become the tomb of our virtue and of our honour, is but a walking shadow; a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing! It's the crescendo, an intermezzo before the Third Act, the Rise of a NeoLiberal Habsburg.

The Habs, and the Habs Nots. Only this time there will be Peace and Quiet™ for 1000 years.


Posted by: ChipNikh | Aug 22 2014 9:13 utc | 83

I have a lot of sympathy for the position of Parviziyi 32. His remarks seem to me to be a realistic description of the situation of ISIS, even if I wouldn't always agree. I too had noticed the statement in the VICE video remarked by Parviziyi 42; paying the poll tax is the classic legal right for People of the Book in Islam. I don't know, though, that ISIS fighters have necessarily acted as perfectly as the legal position demands.

Where he goes slightly off, is the treatment of the Yazidis (probably because there aren't any in Syria?). The problem of the Yazidis is that they are Islamic heretics, and don't have the protected status of Christians. Yazidism started off as a Sufi sect in the 12th century, and left Islam entirely some centuries later. The real origin has now been obscured by all sorts of stories about them being some sort of aboriginal Iranian religion (although that view has now been rejected by the academic experts). Probably neither the Yazidis nor the ISIS persecutors are any longer aware of the real facts, but ISIS feel it unconsciously in an obscure kind of way, and thus you get the accusations of being devil worshippers. At any rate, the Yazidis are fully exposed to the ire of ISIS in a way that the Christians aren't. There's at least one video of Yazidis having been forced to convert: Islamic State video shows Yazidi men converting to Islam. That doesn't happen with Christians.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 22 2014 9:18 utc | 84

I rather doubt that the US has much intelligence to offer Syria. Analysis of satellite imagery, and that's it, I should think. The vehicles, they can find; the people, they can't.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 22 2014 10:02 utc | 85

as I’ve said before, you are wrong on this, especially the idea that some sort of compact with Assad exists. Things could hardly be worse. I hope that the BRICS have some sort of response up their sleeves, or are at least content to watch the US continue to waste its time, money, soft power, and opportunity costs waist deep in the Big Wadi.

This is precisely an example of what I mean when I say change and/or adjust your model. You can't apply Cold War era logic to today's reality-shaping Strategy of Tension environment. If you do, you'll constantly come up empty and the results of your analysis will be rife with contradictions.

I've stated from the beginning that ISIL/ISIS is a perpetually morphing creature of chaos. It's not something's that created because it's constantly morphing and changing — it's been recreated at least several times since the catalyst for its inception was set in motion nearly a decade prior. Think of ISIL/ISIS as the latest version of Windows. Windows is to PCs what ISIL/ISIS is to The War On Terror. Al Qaeda was XP and ISIL was Windows 8 v 1.0 and ISIS is Windows 8 v 2.0.

ISIS is also a shared resource and that resource can be used in many ways. It can be used as a weapon of mass destruction and disruption against alleged enemies or it can be used as a convenient foil and scapegoat to take the blame and serve as pretext for greater military engagement when and if that time comes.

Both the actions of Assad and Obama have proven my theoretical model correct because my model has jettisoned antiquated conventional narratives of explanation. Those conventional narratives, many that are employed and proffered here, are used to obscure an accurate analysis and assessment but otherwise intelligent people, stubborn as they are, continue to cling to the familiar because they've spent so much mental time and acuity building that paradigmatic house of cards they can't bear the thought of that creation tumbling down.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 22 2014 10:19 utc | 86


@Alexno Real time high resolution satellite intelligence as well as signals intercepts are what they have, and what they'd give.

And, you're wrong about Christians. In Maaloula, Daesh forced Christians to convert or die. The jizya tax thing comes and goes. I love hearing stories about how historical Islam was such a tolerant religion that let other religions exist as defined second class citizens. How kind of them.

Posted by: Crest | Aug 22 2014 10:24 utc | 87

Also, per my model that's constantly adjusting, I said back in 2009 when America began withdrawal from Iraq it would be back in a decade or less. The sad thing is, I don't get paid for these prognostications. My reward is intrinsic, but that's alright, intrinsic reward is the most satisfying and it yields more effective and enduring results.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 22 2014 10:24 utc | 88

c'mon,

"They just have to pay a little tax."
Yeah, and the Jews just had to wear little stars.
How do you know how little it is -- or will stay.

You either have equality under the law or you don't.

By the way, the tax collector historically decides who gets to keep their property and who loses it through reassessment. Good luck, Christians!

Also, if you like VICE, I hope you catch the episode where Simon O. follows the Gay Nazi hit squad on its rounds of nighttime disappearances, as if it were some kind of cool hipster journey to the demi-monde. (No joke here. Real episode.) VICE is the (hip) post-modern voice of the State department.

And to think that at this time, when we are already well into an undeclared fourth world war, waged between the unipolar empire, and the multi-polar resistance -- to think that any group of significant size or import would be allowed by the two sides to exist as some sort of neutral civic improvement society of mercenary killers is beyond ludicrous.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 22 2014 10:28 utc | 89

JohnH @13

The Foley beheading video appears to be a conveniently timed false flag to justify US action against Syria (amongst other things).

The link shows a couple of stills from the video.

Posted by: Anon E Mouse | Aug 22 2014 10:28 utc | 90

Thanks for the heads-up on the EVIL (but not as evil as US.gov) ISIS. It's easy to forget that when a US President tells us how EVIL an individual is, and backs it up with ridiculous lies, it ALWAYS means that we're about to have our collective chain "YANKED" by the MSM.

Good, I can run with that. The model isn't spitting it out — but then you must be consistent and apply the very same logic to what we're witnessing with Ferguson, Missouri. When you do, it's quite evident many commentators here have been carrying huge amounts of water for the chain yankers and their models are faulty.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 22 2014 10:29 utc | 91

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Color guards of Habs practice for Queen Hillary's and Chancellor Kerry-Kohn's coronation:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/18/article-2015994-0D0CF88700000578-623_964x630.jpg

That's the only 'map' you need. If you doubt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsqa-YHE36A

I'm with JSor; the IMF is talking about global bail-ins, who needs liberal pablumizing!?
I care not a twit if Christine Lagarde had a troubled childhood and rough Sciences Po Aix! We best get to steppin' with an action plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

I say, Old Goy, this joint is beginning to smell like cheap cigars and Bombay gin, what?

Posted by: ChipNikh | Aug 22 2014 10:30 utc | 92

@Cold. Well it wasn't like they wanted to leave. The elected government wouldn't sign a status of forces agreement. Not exactly a wild prediction.

It's going to take real statesmanship from Iraq's leaders to keep the country together during this Yinon plan stuff. Saudi and Israel want to balkanize the Shia crescent so badly. They're willing to let their murderous thugs kill an unlimited number of muslims to do it.

Iraq's leaders need to stay strong, refuse to let US troops on the ground, and get the message to the people that a united Iraq is a stronger Iraq. That sectarian divisions serve Saudi and Israel, and that reconstruction can benefit everyone.

It would be nice if they could get rid of the neoliberal stuff ascribed into their laws by the US, but that stuff produces payoffs like a geyser so, it's going to tougher.

Posted by: Crest | Aug 22 2014 10:31 utc | 93

Just heard on cnn from a Haras Rafiq an outreach officer with quilliam that isis has $2 billion dollars... he also said they robbed a bank with 800 to 900 million dollars which was liquid. Whole cloth statements no evidence presented.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 10:40 utc | 94

@really Maybe they found the bank with the remnants of the famous missing 6.6 billion dollars in paletted shrink-wrapped greenbacks?

Posted by: Crest | Aug 22 2014 10:52 utc | 95

re 83. And, you're wrong about Christians. In Maaloula, Daesh forced Christians to convert or die.

Of course that's the accusation that's always made, mainly from people who are crying for more help, and looking for an accusation to make. I'm surprised you are unable to discriminate between wild screams and what is actually ISIS/Daish policy, which was quoted in the VICE video out of the mouth of an official. Naturally I don't suppose that in the front line things are quite so delicate.

But I doubt the forced conversion bit quite a lot. It's what Christians always say about Islam, but in fact it was always the Christians who did the forced conversions. Islam always tolerated the Christians: the proof is that Christian communities in the ME still survive today after 1400 years of Islam. Had that not been so, they would have been exterminated long ago. There's been a slow decline, but that's all.

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 22 2014 11:01 utc | 96

re 85

"They just have to pay a little tax."
Yeah, and the Jews just had to wear little stars.
How do you know how little it is -- or will stay.

A typical smear, if you don't mind me saying so, intended to suggest anti-semitism. Quite an objectionable remark. Anti-semitism didn't exist in the Middle East until Israel came along. But we have to project Western situations onto the Middle East, don't we?

Have you become a hasbara agent, Malooga?

Posted by: Alexno | Aug 22 2014 11:09 utc | 97

@91

F'ing viceroy paul f'in bremer. The little green footballs they were chucking around iraq. Viceroy bremer gave no accounting of how that money was distributed at the time. 6 billion still unaccounted for...A lot of doublespeak in this whitewash huffpo article.

"...In 2004, between $10 billion to $20 billion worth of cash -- depending on reports -- was air-shipped to Iraq. The money was made up largely of Iraq's own assets and intended to finance reconstruction projects, CNN reports. Earlier this year, the Los Angeles Times reported that the government had accounted for almost all of these funds, except for $6 billion that was thought to have disappeared"[It may be] the largest theft of funds in national history," Stuart Bowen, special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, told the LA Times at the time...."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1052840

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 11:13 utc | 98

@really Maybe they found the bank with the remnants of the famous missing 6.6 billion dollars in paletted shrink-wrapped greenbacks?

Posted by: Crest | Aug 22, 2014 6:52:22 AM | 91

The NYSE is always willing to act as fence, but so too are Russian Banks and Financial Institutions looking for investors and/or creditors. Or, maybe ISIS can now start its own bank, The Islamic World Bank, and begin granting no interest loans since interest is verboten. Some entrepreneur in The Levant may aspire to start a company that makes crosses for crucifixions and call it Crucifixions R Us and would need a million or two to cover start-up costs. It'd be nice not to have to cover interest payments in those early years allowing a budding new enterprise like this a greater chance of success and Lord knows, there's a huge, wide-open market out there for crucifixions.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 22 2014 11:28 utc | 99

@91, 92

"...If—and it is a big if—the tens of billions of dollars in U.S taxpayer dollars wasted in Iraq are ever accounted for, it may turn out to be the biggest fleecing of Americans in the history of the United States. And average Americans will not have been the only victims Millions of ordinary, law-abiding Iraqis had hoped their nation’s oil wealth would be used to rebuild their country after President Bush ordered the attack on their country. Instead it was used to line the pockets of tribal leaders, insurgents militias, crooked U.S. contractors, some U.S. soldiers and an unspecified number of powerful elites in the Iraq government At present, the sheer scale of the missing billions is unclear But consider this: Imagine for a moment that you wanted to transport 360 tons of $100 bills from the Federal Reserve Bank in New York to Baghdad. First you would need it assembled into what are called “bricks,” each one containing $100,000. Then 20 of those “bricks,” amounting to $2 million would be sealed in a wooden box. That wooden box would be loaded onto pallets. Eventually the whole 360 tons of bills totaling $16 billion would need to be placed on three massive U.S. military C-130 transport planes for the trip to Baghdad That is what the White House signed off on in 2003 when Paul Bremer...."
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/iraq_aid_missing.html

The vicery paul bremer.some of that money is probably in his basement..read the whole thing please...this is from february 2006.

Posted by: really | Aug 22 2014 11:40 utc | 100

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