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Quiz: “Not Restricted By Borders”
Who said this?
“We’re actively considering what’s going to be necessary to deal with that threat and we’re not going to be restricted by borders.”
Possible answers:
- Dmitryi Olegovich Rogozin, deputy prime minister of the Russian Federation with regards to Fascists gangs in Ukraine.
- Benjamin J. Rhodes, U.S. deputy national security adviser with regards to Jihadi gangs in Syria.
- Crown Prince Mohamed bin Zayed of the United Arab Emirates with regards to Muslim Brotherhood gangs in Libya.
Answer
Just talking heads, all. Nothing ever changes in our beloved verklempt democratic republic.
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AMY GOODMAN: Do you see a replay in what happened in the lead-up to the war with Iraq — the allegations of the weapons of mass destruction, the media leaping onto the bandwagon?
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, in a way. But, you know, history doesn’t repeat itself exactly twice. What I did warn about when I testified in front of Congress in 2002, I said if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn’t be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration, wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran.
I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.”
*snip* and here’s the punch-line…..
“And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 26 2014 15:37 utc | 8
@Jsore:
Oh boy, we’re playing slow pitch today!
how you were a young man in Tanzania sipping rum coolers on a dock one evening discussing Edward Said with your university friends and contemplating how you could feel the nebulosity of the resistance forming within your very soul even then. How those evenings haunt you as you come to terms how the narratives of mankind have rolled out before your very eyes.
I was not “a young man in Tanzania,” I was a fucking redneck oil refinery worker, and union shop steward and activist, on an all-black island in the West Indies. I researched our injury record and calculated statistically that operators in my refinery had a 1 in 12 chance of being killed or maimed in a twenty year career in the field. Obviously, that information did not endear me to management. (I was almost killed 6 times in a five year field career.) When I discovered that the water table of the island was being permanently polluted by leaks, and that the EPA was bought off, I began a campaign. My pet was brutally murdered, my life was threatened multiple times, I was put in the most difficult and dangerous jobs 24/7 at work in order to break me; and everyone — including all of my friends — on the Island turned against me because I was threatening “the job market.” To make a long story short, I didn’t have the guts or support system needed to be a Karen Silkwood and backed down, my life and career destroyed. Ironically, the game of global capitalism closed the refinery down several years later anyway: all the jobs lost, water table was polluted, and there was now no hope of recompence.
I hope that doesn’t destroy your cinematic treatment of me, because I’d love to see the film. “I had a farm in Africa…,” and all that rot. Anyway, that is what real life is like, you fool!
Since you are so interested, here’s some more detail: Never went to University (although I was recruited by Princeton), college dropout with one years worth of credits after two years in college — half of which I already had under my belt from AP in high school. I have no University friends, and it doesn’t bother me. Taught for five years at two of the largest Universities in the Boston area. (BU, Clark — Yes, without a degree!) Owned and ran several multi-million dollar businesses. Trainer in second largest oil refinery in the Western hemisphere. Other skillsets/experiencess: Co-op management, organic Foods, museum designer, floristry, woodworker, master carpenter, sailor, Buddhist monk, herbalist, forager, gardener, hunter, animal trainer, animal tracker, animal rescue, folklorist, published poet, started renowned poetry journal in NYC, many years in community radio, activist. Loving caregiver to a mentally disabled family member for many years. Hitchhiked across Canada, and jumped freight trains from Portland to SF. And yes, I’ve spent a good deal of time around Chomsky and Zinn from my work in radio. Nationally aired, helped produce, and syndicated the first (award-winning) radio program about Palestine from a Palestinian point of view, now running over ten years and counting. Currently: unemployed, stone-broke, living in the slums of a small city of 100,000. My neighbors are mostly unemployed too. Lucky ones are on disability. No one’s planning revolution. We live day-to-day around here. Collect cans and scrap metal when the going gets tough. In the last year, I have been through the death of a life companion and a best friend.
Perhaps that is why I am more of a humanist, and less of an strident, self-absorbed absolutist than you. I’ve live a real life, imperfect as it may be, and remain vulnerable to all human frailties and vices. There is nothing theoretical about my life.
What thinkers do I like? First of all, I think for myself. I understand that all historical personages are human, and therefore flawed, like myself. Anyone brave enough to commit his thoughts to paper (as b well knows) is bound to make a few mistakes. Each time period and locale has its own particular historical challenges. I try to take something from every one, if possible. I do not believe that there exists any single system of thinking without contradictions. In that sense, perhaps, I am a Hegalian.
I consider myself a radical leftist, in the sense that radical means going to the roots of things/causes, and leftism is more concerned about providing for the neediest of us rather than providing for the most talented of us.
My motto is, “We all have to find a way to live together here.”
Of course, anything I say in a single sentence short treatment like this is, by necessity, a glittering generality.
I confess that I found Arendt difficult: There were many quotes and references in many languages that I do not possess reading ability in. I was a little disappointed in the level of her insight, but I was equally concerned that perhaps I did not understand her. At the time, she was somewhat beyond me; she is back on the list to re-visit someday.
Thinker who is perhaps closest to me: Michael Parenti, for his realism, his understanding of history, his innate sense of justice, and his refusal to get caught up in suicidal leftist internecine squabbles. (Hi, Louie!)
Yes, Chomsky was a “gateway drug” for me, in helping me break through mainstream propaganda and see the imperial system in all its naked horror, but his refusal to countenance false flag strategies, and his (admittedly) soft Zionism, are fatal flaws.
Person closest to where I am at in growing up Jewish: Paul Eisen, despite our many differences in background and lives, and smaller difference in beliefs. I consider religion to be a series of evolving group cultures. For me, religion is (as are all human conditions, like sexual identity) a continually changing, ever evolving struggle as I grow and change. I do not support the existence of the State of Israel.
I have tried to read every philosopher, political scientist, anthropologist, sociologist, etc. I can get my hands on. The list runs easily into the several hundreds. Being involved in radio, I’ve listened to tens of thousands of hours of audio. These days, I do more reading on the right than the left.
I consider Putin to be the greatest politician of my lifetime (followed by Castro, Mao, and Chavez). Yet, if we lived in a multi-polar world, I would oppose him relentlessly from the left. Such are the contradictions of realpolitik.
Perhaps, that is why I see things so differently from you. I am not an absolutist. I see things with more humanity and understanding of others in their journey, wherever they may be.
Now to you: I sense a smell of (is it Bob Avakian?) the righteous radical, about you — a sense of holy-roller, revolutionary vanguardism. Let me elaborate on what I sense in you from your written record:
Everything is corrupt. (I agree with you here.) Reform is evil; Revolution is good. Everything must be overthrown — all human order and hierarchy. The human costs of overthrowing corruption must not be taken into account. Human lives are irrelevant in achieving true and perfect justice.
Humans are either good or bad. There is no middle ground. The bad must be brought to justice — preferably by death. Individual human growth is irrelevant to the process. There is no room for humans to make mistakes, and to repent and learn from them. “Understanding” is a liberal trait, to be extinguished as inherently evil. Restorative justice, a farce.
Humans, being immutable, having once proposed a plan, are incapable of recanting, changing, amending, or even rejecting that plan.
Bad humans cannot be taught — after all they are evil — therefore, they should be ridiculed and ostracized from society. The quicker and more thorough, the better. Bullying and gatekeeping on blogs is one way of quickly and efficiently separating the vital germ from the chaff. Make no mistake — this is no idyll — but an essential moral mission.
Society’s elan — its pure, vital fluid — must be preserved at all costs, and the best way to do this is to ruthlessly crush anything threatening to adulterate it.
Anyone having any position of power or privilege within society, especially intellectuals — understanding that society is ultimately corrupt — is corrupt. They cannot be trusted, must not be trusted, have nothing to add to any discussion, and must be dismissed and firmly dispensed with.
What others call “ambiguity” or “complexity,” is merely the fig-leaf society accords to moral degeneration, to be wiped out before its infection spreads.
Knowledge equals intellectualism, which equals moral relativism, i.e., making deals with the devil. Anyone with knowledge has a vested interest, and therefore cannot work for the greater good of society, as I can.
Only the true revolutionary can save society. The true revolutionary is pure. Because he has no attachments to society, he has no prejudices; and therefore, only he can be trusted to administer society impartially.
Revolutionary purity cleanses and washes away the dirty life-and-death trials and tribulations of the masses.
Justice is not a gradual and continual process of adjustment, but a one-time upsetting and resetting of the scales.
The revolution is the true end of history, for once the scales of justice are upset and a just order is instituted, change becomes obsolete and anti-revolutionary.
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In short, we have a conflict between moral absolutism and moral relativism, the peacock, and the pig.
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Oh, before I go, here is a true story for your film treatment of me — I hope you include it:
After a night on the town in St. Barts, my sweetie and I retired to a small bar on the quay overlooking the harbor. Being that we were officially in France, even if really in the Carribean, I suggested we order French drinks. She agreed, and ordered a snifter of the famous orange liquor — Grand Marinier; I ordered a shot of Calvados — the fiery apple brandy of Normandy. Looking at the gaily lit sailboats bobbing up and down in the harbor, we slowly sipped our drinks in silent reverie. She interrupted my thoughts, “Let’s switch drinks. I’ve never tried Calvados.”
We switched, sipped, and continued our reverie.
After a time, she spoke up, “Which do you like best?”
I thought for a while, and then replied judiciously, “It’s kind of like comparing apples to oranges.”
Yes, and every story has its moral.
By the way, your much promised and awaited geo-political “Mein Kampf” never appeared. No worry, I believe that I can guess what it would have said. A nasty man cannot have a humane epistemology.
Posted by: Malooga | Aug 27 2014 6:29 utc | 71
Well, it’s break-time here at the iron works/medical marijuana co-op – thanks, union organizers! – so I guess I have time to address one last point concerning how I know that you’re such an Establishment phony, FL.
I mean, besides the fact that I think it’s suspicious that as a “former” Jew your first responses to me were attacking my anti-Zionism and that you’re not beneath tossing out Nazi references at people.
And besides the fact that as a “former” redneck you wrote long posts exonerating the murderers of minorities as merely the conflicted “tools” of the state all the while you were being cheered on by supporters of the uber-Zionist apartheid American South – yes, I noticed you, Snake Arbusto!!
Besides all that I think what really is the definitive trait of your fake – meaning, once again, Establishment – “leftism” is this:
Malooga just LOOVVVVVEESSSS Malooga! He thinks that he is – note: loaded word coming in 3…2…1…- EXCEPTIONAL!!
You think I have a cinematic view of your life?!!! Bull-effing-crap. Nothing could even approach your own exalted estimation of yourself, FL.
Why, like every good brainwashed, Establishment – i.e., egocentric, narcissistic, etc – American you, FL, ALREADY BELIEVE that you ARE STARRING in your own real-life movie. You really believe that you are the freaking Patrick Swayze/Kurt Russell character of the American Left. Tough but sensitive, the well-read ass-kicker, the guy’s guy chick magnet. A real Road House meets Point Break. Yikes.
Contrary to the transparent aw-shuckism that you try and use in a feeble attempt to cover over each one of your 3,000 word odes to your own storied past, your picaresque life and – most importantly – your great mind, what is inherent in your posts is your extremely exceptional – i.e., American – view of yourself.
Now, as I pointed out earlier, as you like most brainwashed Americans seemingly are unable to SEE the confines of your own existential prison – i.e., your commodified dissent, etc – what does really that make you, FL?
Why, if we take the tenor from your own postings on the cops and Ferguson, I believe that you would inevitably have to call yourself an UNWITTING TOOL of the Establishment, a human weapon, if you will, that has been spoon-fed so much narcissistic/ego-centric propaganda that they don’t have the ability anymore to do anything but – like the cops with their violence – act out in ways that are in reality contrary to that which they may have originally wanted.
Isn’t that just terrible, FL? There probably is a pithy statement along the lines of pot and kettle involving tools somewhere but I’m sure you get my drift and break’s almost over.
Anyways, contrary to how you deal with tools of the Establishment, I don’t believe that society should in any way excuse/mitigate the actions of said tools due to systemic influences and THAT is why I always so vehemently go after you: you are a tool – albeit a non-violent one as far as I know – of the Establishment – i.e, fake left – as you are promulgating a course of action that takes the anger/frustration of people of conscience and attempts to deflect/redirect it into utterly impotent avenues such as carrying on dialogs with the very criminals we should be hunting down but all in the name of good old fashioned American exceptionalistic moral “relativism” – y’know – that same type of thinking that equates destroying the lives of millions of innocent people with the “humanitarianism” and such.
Well, back to work. Hey, FL, once the cops are off their beat, I’m sure they’d love to have a beer with ya!!You guys could trade stories!!!
Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 27 2014 16:05 utc | 100
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