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August 24, 2014
Open Thread 2014-19
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What does it take to get this lawyer disciplined for lying about the cases he is involved in? Crump abuses the public forum to spread lies. Crump was asked “And what came out of that press conference and that autopsy that you think is significant? ” and his reply was a lie: http://youtu.be/7qPPsuX4HGo Posted by: Tom Murphy | Aug 24 2014 17:40 utc | 1 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Abdel-Majed-Abdel-Bary/521478631317121 Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 17:42 utc | 2 A video in which the BBC interviewer accuses the Syrian government of only fighting ISIS in “the past few weeks”. Posted by: guest77 | Aug 24 2014 17:44 utc | 3 Looking more closely at the FB seems to be a proxy account. Assholes ! Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 17:48 utc | 4 facebook.. one big cesspool.. who would even bother swimming in it for anything resembling truth or fact? Posted by: james | Aug 24 2014 18:07 utc | 5 “who would even bother swimming in it for anything resembling truth or fact?” Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 18:22 utc | 6 I use Facebook to keep up with where my friends are hanging out in Frankfurt or what my relatives in America are up to…I do not use it as a source of information and generally avoid any sort of political discussion there, that’s what sites like MoA are for! Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 24 2014 18:40 utc | 7 ralphieboy | Aug 24, 2014 2:40:35 PM | 7 Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 18:45 utc | 8 http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/08/syrper-exposes-foley-murder-as-spaghetti-western.html Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 24 2014 18:49 utc | 9 guest 77 at 3, I saw that as well. Over the top…Shaaban is heckled by Snow from Channel 4. He blames her (and > Assad, she is an advisor to the Gvmt.) for ….not fighting the Islamist terrorists! Posted by: Noirette | Aug 24 2014 18:52 utc | 10 Here’s pics of John McCain meeting with Bağdadi’. Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 24 2014 19:07 utc | 11 How pathetic to be one of these attack dogs: yap, yap, yap all day long. What a waste of human life and consciousness. Ben, Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 24 2014 19:25 utc | 13 More info on the US attack on Syria that didn’t happen: Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 24 2014 19:31 utc | 14 Interesting take on the attack on CIA facility in Benghazi, Libya. Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 24 2014 19:39 utc | 15 “where I come to argue with assholes.” Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 19:50 utc | 16 A caldera collapse would be catastrophic, and life-altering for much of the planet. It could just fizzle, but many in the scientific community are alert. Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 20:27 utc | 17 Posted re: Bardarbunga on the previous Open Thread, but that thread is a bit stale. Here’s a very good article at Ars Technica about the (scary!) issues: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 24 2014 21:35 utc | 18 By the way, Ray McGovern never got back to me. Curiously, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, which appears to have many members I respect, has no website or contact info.
Intelligence professionals know never to do that. As we now know, that evidence was faked. “I’m not sure why he muddied the good cause of preventing direct conflict with Russia with spreading disinformation about past events.” Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 22:07 utc | 20 Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 24, 2014 5:35:52 PM | 18 Posted by: Ben Franklin | Aug 24 2014 22:26 utc | 21 @Ben Franklin: @Ben #21: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 24 2014 23:07 utc | 23 Hope the volcanic eruption in Iceland is ‘normal’. Posted by: john francis lee | Aug 24 2014 23:09 utc | 24 @ 8 Ben Franklin Posted by: sleepy | Aug 25 2014 0:19 utc | 25 @Noirette: Its a good trick I guess. Send a terror army to attack a country, and then when “blowback” comes, blame the guy you attacked for not doing enough to stop it. Posted by: guest77 | Aug 25 2014 0:56 utc | 26 There was a shrill German fellow who claimed to be a friend of b posting here vociferously against the Donbass, w. links to an alleged anarchist site; now Petri Krohn on his Facebook page has uncovered some interesting facts about this allegedly impartial group– Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Aug 25 2014 1:23 utc | 27 Iran intercepts “Israeli” drone near Natanz (that’s a flying drone – not Bibi). Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2014 1:30 utc | 28 Interesting: the pro-junta Kyiv post has published an article in which pro-junta Ukie mercenaries are quoted as saying that the junta and the Ukie media lies. The article also gives the impression that the war is not going so well for the Ukraine, in a way that Anglophone outlets like the NY Times and the Guardian are not yet doing.
The Saker talks about one side or the other reaching its breaking point. This Kyiv Post article gives the impression that junta forces are reaching theirs. Interesting: the pro-junta Kyiv post has published an article in which pro-junta Ukie mercenaries are quoted as saying that the junta and the Ukie media lies. The article also gives the impression that the war is not going so well for the Ukraine, in a way that Anglophone outlets like the NY Times and the Guardian are not yet doing.
The Saker talks about one side or the other reaching its breaking point. This Kyiv Post article gives the impression that junta forces are reaching theirs. @29 demian – thanks for the overview on all that… here is the kiev post article mentioned in your post.. Posted by: james | Aug 25 2014 2:38 utc | 31 Demian@29 Posted by: VietnamVet | Aug 25 2014 3:36 utc | 32 Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Aug 25 2014 4:05 utc | 33 @VietnamVet Posted by: Crest | Aug 25 2014 4:07 utc | 34 @VietnamVet #31:
As I’ve said before, I hardly know anything about military matters. I have never watched a war as closely as I have the war in the former Ukraine. It is very easy to do that on the Internet if you know Russian. It’s better than having Dan Rather tell you in your living room how the Vietnam war is going lol.
@13 “FB is where I go to find out what my friends are up to MoA is where I come to argue with assholes.” And is it where they come to argue with you? Posted by: Snake Arbusto | Aug 25 2014 8:00 utc | 36 The situation in eastern Ukraine right now remains extremely complicated. However, there seems to be some changes recently that might just be pointing to what some call a Clauswitzian turning point. A brief summary might be useful. Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 25 2014 8:47 utc | 37 You seem very concerned about the Yinon plan. If it is 30 years old, as you concede, why has it taken Israel so long to make any visible progress towards its achievement? Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Aug 25 2014 9:34 utc | 38 Coming back to my first paragraph, the Clauswitsian point is that point when an offensive losses its energy and the defense assumes the upper hand. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 25 2014 10:31 utc | 39 The only way the conflict can end is by one side defeating the other, militarily. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 25 2014 10:40 utc | 40 @james (Aug 24, 2014 10:38:04 PM | 30): Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Aug 25 2014 11:01 utc | 41 Whoops! Never mind. I found the problem. There was an extra ‘/’ at the end of the link. If you strip it off, the URL is: Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Aug 25 2014 11:03 utc | 42 This just in from The Telegraph: Foley murder video ‘may have been staged’. Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Aug 25 2014 12:29 utc | 43 Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Aug 25, 2014 5:34:10 AM | 37
Of course it did not turn out that way. Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 12:38 utc | 44 @Vietnam Vet #31 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 25 2014 13:15 utc | 45 @Cold N. Holefield #39:
That assumes that the Ukrainian state will continue to exist for a decade. How the junta is going to keep its people from freezing in the winter is still unresolved. One purpose of this war, from a Russian/Novorossyan point of view, is to weaken Ukrainian fascism, by demonstrating to the Ukrainians that the Ukrainian state is a failure. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 25 2014 13:34 utc | 47 The NovoRussians don’t have air power – but it seems clear they have effective anti-air capabilities and thus have neutralized the junta’s air power. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 25 2014 13:37 utc | 48 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 25, 2014 9:15:09 AM | 44 Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 13:47 utc | 49 @46&48 “I wonder which strategic genius came up with the idea to try to cut the rebels off the Russian border along a small stretch of the border without border incidents.” Posted by: dh | Aug 25 2014 13:59 utc | 50 Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 25, 2014 4:47:43 AM | 36 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2014 14:13 utc | 51 I know it’s unkind, but Ukraine is just a ‘bigger, new, improved’ rehash of the Georgia fiasco, a few years ago. Georgia was a joint US-“Israeli” SNAFU and Ukraine will go the same way for the same reasons – arrant stupidity and wishful thinking in Washington & Kiev. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2014 14:27 utc | 52 I didn’t spot any high ranking members of the International Community at the Independence Day Parade in Kiev. A visit from Victoria Nuland would have done wonders for morale. Posted by: dh | Aug 25 2014 14:43 utc | 53 @52 dh… i’d heard cold holefield put in an appearance in the parade in between posting his moa inanities.. Posted by: james | Aug 25 2014 15:09 utc | 54 ISIS-LINKED BOMB THREAT AGAINST SONY EXECUTIVE DIVERTS SAN DIEGO-BOUND PLANE
And ISIS attack the Sony PlayStation Network, too!!! Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 25 2014 15:22 utc | 55 @31 Posted by: bevin | Aug 25 2014 15:31 utc | 56 Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 25, 2014 4:47:43 AM | 36 Posted by: JFC | Aug 25 2014 15:37 utc | 57 “Newsweek: Syria released ISIS prisoners in 2011” Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 25 2014 15:58 utc | 58 GOOGLE the words “Wesley Clark, seven countries in five years.” Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 25 2014 16:00 utc | 59 Posted by: JFC | Aug 25, 2014 11:37:53 AM | 56 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2014 16:25 utc | 60 Interesting — the headlines began yesterday saying that Libya’s capital was under fundamentalist control … now breaking news: Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25 2014 16:35 utc | 61 Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25, 2014 12:35:32 PM | 60 Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 16:51 utc | 62 According to Nasrallah ISIS is supported by Turkey and Qatar. Which implicates the United States. Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 25 2014 17:23 utc | 63 Ukraine. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 25 2014 17:31 utc | 64 More on the firing of the anti-Zionist professor at the University of Illinois. Why it looks there are some emails surfacing in which donors threatened the school.
Oh, so ISIS does serve Zionist US and Israeli interests, huh?
Oh so it’s all part of a plan to crush the anti-Zionist resistance, huh? Hmmm, then I guess we SHOULDN’T include the apartheid genocidal state of Israel in our discussions of ISIS but rather – like Noam Chomsky told us during the Syrian Conflict – believe that Israel is just ALSO just sitting this one out again, right? Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 25 2014 17:43 utc | 65 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376378/baghdadi-mossadtrained-saudifunded/ Posted by: jisdj | Aug 25 2014 17:43 utc | 66 Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 25, 2014 1:23:55 PM | 63
Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 18:09 utc | 67 @66 Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 25 2014 18:12 utc | 68 @68 UMM, WHERE? I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING ON GGREENWALD’S TWITTER ABOUT IT Posted by: jisdj | Aug 25 2014 18:20 utc | 69 Its just an old rumour, Snowden hasnt released any such documents. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 25 2014 18:27 utc | 70 More from Egypt
Now, Algeria is a very special proposal Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 18:49 utc | 71 #71 — oh yeah, in 10 years (or less) Egyptians will hate us at least as much as the Iranians have hated us for decades — for squashing their self-determination and installing a tyrant … Our objections to the Muslim Brotherhood and our heavy-handed support of the coup that took out Morsi will not be forgotten as another generation of prodemocracy types spend years in jail or worse … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25 2014 18:59 utc | 72 @60 Posted by: JFC | Aug 25 2014 19:00 utc | 73 My proof that ISIS is unislamic: http://radioyaran.com/2014/08/25/islamic-state-isis-beheads-crucifies-and-mutilates-enemies-but-is-this-allowed-in-islam/ Posted by: KerKaraje | Aug 25 2014 19:14 utc | 74 I’d say ISIS’s brutality fit a generation raised on computer games and recruitment/martyr videos … it has little to nothing to do with Islam … WWII Americans reportedly brought back Japanese ears and fingers as souveigners … not very Christian (or “American”) Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25 2014 19:27 utc | 75 Anon@70 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 25 2014 19:33 utc | 76 Yeah, the Zionist NYT is a good place to go to see how this ISIS etc horsecrap is being sold to the masses. Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 25 2014 20:00 utc | 77 76 wayoutwest Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 25 2014 20:09 utc | 78 actually I’m so confused at this point … the NYT breaking news about Egypt and Emerite is getting no play on BBC or Guardian … the Guardian apparently reporting, if not a coup, dualing governments.
note that Omar al HasI is not the USA/CIA superhero General Khalifa Haftar … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25 2014 20:18 utc | 79 Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25, 2014 2:59:31 PM | 72 Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 20:24 utc | 80 Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25, 2014 4:18:33 PM | 79 Posted by: somebody | Aug 25 2014 20:47 utc | 81 It’s almost as if they’re saying, well, if NATO can, so can we … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 25 2014 21:05 utc | 82 The UAE jet fighters supposed flew multiple missions needing refueling planes this week and the week before from Egyptian air bases across to Libya and back and NO ONE in the US military had ANY idea about any of that crap at all. Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 25 2014 21:16 utc | 83 Anon@78 Posted by: Wayoutwest | Aug 25 2014 21:41 utc | 84 @65 Posted by: JFC | Aug 25 2014 21:59 utc | 85 New ISIS video shows that they can use drones. Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 26 2014 2:00 utc | 86 The New York Times Editorial Board has hit a new low. And that’s saying something, indeed. But they truly have.
Yes – horrified and dumbfounded “the civilized world” – so horrified and dumbfounded these “civilized” actors that they’ve seen fit to shower these killers with cash and weapons, sent their top leaders to meet with them, pooh poohed their war crimes so long as they were directed towards the enemy du jour of the “west”, and refused to reign in the cash pouring into their coffers from the bank accounts of their favored allies.
The NYTimes, ever the sycophants. Only a well-trained (as in, a seal at a circus) western “intellectual” could claim that President Obama was “correct” to belittle those in Syria who have given their lifeblood, their sons and daughters, their fathers and mothers battling the Obama-backed Takfiris. “Correct”? I’d have thought “dripping with unprecedented hypocrisy” might be a better description, but then I don’t have a PhD from Harvard.
Yes, the western media in this display has really hit sickening new height of hypocrisy. And they even add this – this sickening colonial attitude which blames the victims of this western-backed onslaught on its very victims, somehow managing to even make it appear as if “Islam” and not decades of US support for extremist militants from 1970s Afghanistan until this very day is the problem here.
Yep, blame “the Muslims” for not caring enough. As if to say: “You violent Muslims, if only you’d have thrown more of your children into the meat grinder we invented and funded, we might have bombed you earlier”. You really couldn’t make it up. Posted by: guest77 | Aug 26 2014 2:02 utc | 87 mmm, I read an article over at Foreign Policy that blamed Assad for every death … every death … even the massacres by ISIS, every killings by the “rebels” … although oddly it suggested that working with him should not be unthinkable … Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 26 2014 2:46 utc | 88 True Story! “Rip Van Winkle” Man asleep for six years wakes and utters first words. Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt @juannie:
Posted by: somebody | Aug 26 2014 4:42 utc | 92 84 wayoutwest Posted by: Anoynmous | Aug 26 2014 7:27 utc | 93 @JFC – He’s not busy stroking himself to memories of Ariel Sharon like you are, you piece of garbage. Go to hell, turd Posted by: JFC | Aug 26 2014 7:53 utc | 94 Somebody, Posted by: Mina | Aug 26 2014 8:59 utc | 95 Patrick Cockburn: “How to Ensure a thriving caliphate”. Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 26 2014 10:39 utc | 96 “No Force can beat ISIS on the ground”. Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 26 2014 10:40 utc | 97 Interesting articles from “Der Spiegel” (online): Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 26 2014 10:59 utc | 98 US Federal Judge Who Was Arrested for Beating His Wife (and Who Sentenced Don Siegelman) Is Now Hoping to Avoid Prosecution… “3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake. Posted by: bevin | Aug 26 2014 14:01 utc | 100 |
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