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August 08, 2014

Malooga On WW III: "All the World's a Spectacle"

by Malooga
lifted from a comment

@Noirette, et al, from previous thread: Evgeny Fedorov's presentations are very good; certainly in communicating the level of threat Russia feels. Also recommended are the various audio and video presentations of Joaquin Flores to be found around the web and on his website - Center for Syncretic Studies. He's quite young and a bit of an odd bird -- a former radical leftist from LA, now Dugin acolyte, or so he claims -- one never knows just who anyone really is these days on the innertubes. But he is quite humble and he has the big picture of a multi-polar world -- something which can unite people over many political persuasions -- foremost in his mind. Both give a good sense of what might be expected over the long game, and why Russia is taking things slow. Essential background.

But the most concise and prescient background on the current world situation are two brief articles Christof Lehmann, proprietor of the nsnbc website, wrote: first, "Russia – E.U. Meeting in Brussels: Risk of Middle East and European War increased," way back on Dec 22, 2012, and the second, "The Atlantic Axis and the Making of a War in Ukraine", written last week.

In the former article he begins: "On 21. December 2012 the political leaders of 27 E.U. countries and Russia´s President Vladimir Putin met in Brussels. On the top of the agenda were problems which are directly related to the ongoing war in Syria. Russian control over major parts of the energy which the European Union will require over the course of the next 100 years, Russian-Iranian dominance over the most competitive gas resources and pipelines in the Middle East, US-American and British initiatives to change the energy-dynamics militarily and a European dilemma between Trans-Atlantic allies who are pushing Europe toward a war with Russia to save the Petro Dollar and greater integration of Russian and European energy sectors and market economies."

He begins the later article thusly: "The war in Ukraine became predictable when the great Muslim Brotherhood Project in Syria failed during the summer of 2012. It became unavoidable in December 2012, when the European Union and Russia failed to agree on the EU’s 3rd Energy Package. The geopolitical dynamics which are driving the war in Ukraine were known in the early 1980s."

Remember that the real game is the breaking of the PetroDollar, not the back of poor "Chocula" Petrodollarshenko, and so every day that a major conflagration can be forestalled is a day closer to the real goal; and also that what we are witnessing in the Ukraine is cutting-edge 4th generation warfare -- sort of a quietly lethal pas de deux. One should not be so naive as to believe that this conflict has taken any of the world powers by surprise -- They all have had close to two years notice, at minimum. In a sense, we are still in the "chess opening" stage, where the majority of the moves have been charted out by both sides. But the middle game is very close at hand. And, yes, it is theoretically possible for the three sides to come to a backroom agreement before the deadly endgame closes in upon us.

All the players are aware of the solemnity of the moment; certainly, there is far more action going on behind the curtains than we can possibly know. All Western actions -- from Nuland's doughnuts and raving expletives to Ashton's "Gosh!" now-forgotten investigation, from the barbarities of Maidan medieval siege warfare replete with Trebuchet to the various levels of massacre -- at Maiden, in Odessa, Mariupol, behind the lines, including Israel's atrocities, to the false-flag downing of MH17, and so on down the line -- beyond the piteous human cost -- are simply meant to incite and humiliate Russia into the pre-layed trap of overwhelming dollar dominated retaliation.

As I said above, we are witnessing a kind of 4th-generational street theater where "all the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players." Same goes with the almost inexplicable: Bidens's "fractious" son, and Rothschild's drilling in the Golan. We are watching a continually escalating rollout of "Shock and Awe" twisted into a kind of Captagon addled "Ground Hog's Day" macabre mobius loop. Debord and Baudrillard and Stockhaussen must be dancing on their graves at the sheer spectacle of it all: Shock and Awe as daily fare. The Empire of Chaos as Russian Roulette with punk piercings, khokhol hairstylings, and wolfsangel tatoos. Its enough to give one a chub.

Expected reality is turned on its head: To "sanction" is to give permission, but "sanctions" are a penalty. Karl Rove's famous quote has been updated: "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own hyperreality. And while you're studying that hyperreality -— judiciously, as you will -— we'll act again, creating other new hyperrealities..." The wanton destruction of Slaviansk as Bizarro version of Sim-City. Bloodless Sims on MH17. The only predictable is the unpredictable. Through the gnostic machinations of empire, the "banality of evil" has been spiritually transmogrified into a transcendent celebration, an entertainment, a celebration: "The Ravishment of Evil" -- and served up to western tastes as a form of exotic entertainment.

In Egypt, during the so-called "Arab Spring" modern day Lawrence of Arabias galloped through the set on camels, In Iraq, "I Dream of Jeannie" plays the role of sex jihadi, and now in the Ukraine, we consume daily re-runs of post-punk "Combat." One wonders if Phillip Zelikow will one day receive credit for the script, which is surely worthy of an "Oscar."

Baudrillard's "The Spirit of Terrorism" in particular merits a close re-reading. He muses, "War as continuation of the absence of politics by other means." The spectator, once an actor, is shocked into passivity. Performing the "détournement" implicit in Debord's text where the powers that be are the real terrorism, we find that "Another aspect of the terrorists' victory is that all other forms of violence and the destabilization of order work in its favour. Internet terrorism, biological terrorism, the terrorism... of rumor -- are all ascribed to (the other). He might even claim natural catastrophes as his own. All forms of disorganization and perverse circulation operate to his advantage. The very structure of generalized world trade works in favour of impossible exchange."

Poor, pathetic Viktor "Yorick"ovich was in way over his head, thinking he could play the two opposing forces of human civilization against themselves and come out unscathed and ahead; indeed, he is lucky to come out of this with his own head. Putin has nothing but contempt for the fool. He reminds one of the Zen koan where the Abott comes upon two monks fighting over a cat. He seizes the cat, and in some versions only threatens to cut it in half until the monk who really own's the cat relents and shouts "Stop!", in others he actually does that which Thomas Merton refers to as "the unspeakable." In our own hyper-real version, Yanukovich does cut the cat in half, only to recoil in horror when he realizes that it is HIS cat that now lies dead before him. The moral is instructive, for in reality Putin offered to divide the cat fairly, only to be refused.

In hyperreality, the bedraggled Ukrainian cat, shambolically and symbolically, has been elevated to human existence itself. To quote Baudrillard, ‘by seizing all the cards for itself, [the west] forced the Other to change the rules.’ The west asserted moral, cultural and economic dependence. Violence was then left as the only option for the Other to pursue.

I certainly do not claim to be able to predict the future here -- but I am sure that we have not been in such dangerous territory since the Cuban Missile Crisis -- although with time less of a crisis factor. And I have NEVER in my lifetime heard a President of the US trash talk a major power, much less two of them at once, to their faces, as Obama did this past week in the Rothschild rag to Russia and China: Russia, who couldn't even land a position as one of Santa's elves because it doesn't know how to "make anything," and China, the inscrutable Oriental who is not "sentimental, and ... not interested in abstractions." Well, he never claimed to be Malraux at work upon "Man's Fate!"

Clearly, the US is doing everything possible to provoke and spark a fire in the heart of Europe, which the world -- should it survive -- will never forget. All the world's a stage... Shakespeare could not know how predictive his poem could be, when he ended it thusly: "Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history, Is second childishness and mere oblivion, Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."

Posted by b on August 8, 2014 at 16:45 UTC | Permalink

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thanks for sharing this b. here and here are direct links to these two articles by Christof Lehmann "Russia – E.U. Meeting in Brussels: "Risk of Middle East and European War increased" from 2012 and "The Atlantic Axis and the Making of a War in Ukraine" from last week.

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2014 17:00 utc | 1

Thanks Malooga for sharing those thoughts and b for making it a topic.

Posted by: really | Aug 8 2014 17:18 utc | 2

Incredibly articulate, well-written and well-thought-out post, but unfortunately it misses the mark. It all depends on which pair of glasses you put on — and there are so many to choose from. This is just one pair of many. They fit nicely, have a nice style to them and the colors and distinctions they reveal are enrapturing, but this pair doesn't get you any closer to the truth. It's not even in the right direction.

This, for example, even though eloquently put, is demonstrably false.

Clearly, the US is doing everything possible to provoke and spark a fire in the heart of Europe, which the world -- should it survive -- will never forget.

America's been laid back when it's come to Russia and Ukraine and the sanctions are window dressing, even the latest round by both sides.

I'll have a post up in the next day or two entitled The Igor Sanction that will be an extension of my Call The Bluff post from a couple of months prior. There is one sanction that would end all of this because if it were implemented, Putin wouldn't have the cash to finance his Soviet revanchism.

This sanction would never be used. It's not even on the table let alone contemplated. Once you realize that, you realize this bullshit's a ruse.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 8 2014 17:21 utc | 3

Thanks b

Thanks james for the links

Thanks Malgooga for sharing

Posted by: jo6pac | Aug 8 2014 18:25 utc | 4

Most folks believe that US actions are based on economic interests. You see all along the blogosphere intense discussion on the "petrodollar" and how its demise will collapse the US. How US actions are for the oil or natural resources.

I disagree.

The US motivation is ideological, not in the sense of the classic definition like marxism but in the belief system of their ruling political elites which is closer to religion i.e. faith based. The neocon group and the R2P group that provide the intellectual power for policy are entrenched in government, think tanks and political parties. Both believe that the US is an imperial power and can act with impunity. This groupthink drives US actions.

The dollar as reserve currency is not helpful to the US. They have to run deficits for the rest like China to have surpluses. When the dollar is no longer the reserve currency the US economy will boom again as they can then become equally mercantilistic and focus more intently on their own economy and market.

The US is unmatched in it's ability to attract immigrants with fire in the belly to achieve something. In no other contemporary society can a first generation immigrant succeed as much as they can in the US. Second, the US society is sufficiently dynamic that they can take their losses and move on much faster than any other society currently.

This realignment to a multi-polar world will benefit the US tremendously. It will not be without a major fight from the vested interests that rule currently.

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 8 2014 19:42 utc | 5

@ Cold N. Holefield

I've read that pathetic drivel you write on your blog...and...I must say, I pity the poor fuckers that actually contribute their hard earned money to read said drivel, unaware of the fact that you get more than enough $ by writing the same crap from your cubicle over at the NSA (or CIA) or whatever alphabet soup agency pays you to spread that propaganda.

Wish I could say: 'Nice try', but: NO!
It's pathetic.

Posted by: Partisan | Aug 8 2014 19:47 utc | 6

a GREAT read indeed.

Posted by: Wear that costume tonight | Aug 8 2014 19:51 utc | 7

CNN Interview with Peter Lavelle Jesus, what a dink, Chris Cuomo

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 8 2014 19:54 utc | 8

@ Cold N. Holefield

It all depends on which pair of glasses you put on..

I'm sure you wear your special NSA glasses when stating your opinion, don't ya?!
Better call HQ and have them send someone a tad more intelligent...

Posted by: Wankers of the NSA | Aug 8 2014 19:58 utc | 9

Forbes aticle on July 2, 2014
King Crude: How Iraq's ISIS Crisis Restores Saudi Influence

I expanded on the article and placed it in context of the Islamic State (IS)
How ISIS Was Nurtured In Syria and Matured in Iraq

Posted by: Oui | Aug 8 2014 20:16 utc | 11

Good stuff. Will re-read later. Malooga is always interesting.

"The US is unmatched in it's ability to attract immigrants with fire in the belly to achieve something. In no other contemporary society can a first generation immigrant succeed as much as they can in the US. Second, the US society is sufficiently dynamic that they can take their losses and move on much faster than any other society currently."

ab initio, this might have been true a century ago. It certainly isn't now. Social mobility in the USA compares badly even with Europe.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 8 2014 20:19 utc | 12

Global Assault: The Scramble for the World's Last Resources

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 8 2014 20:21 utc | 13

@12: Piketty writes about the relative lack of social mobility in the U.S. in his bestseller.

Posted by: lysias | Aug 8 2014 20:35 utc | 14

My hope is that this crisis will resolve with progress towards a multi-polar world that diminishes the current uni-polar domination of the US empire. I see that as possible at this point. More than that, I want to see a resolution that avoids world and nuclear war, regardless of the geo-political positioning.

Despite what EU leaders are saying, they certainly understand that this crisis is hurting them and will be less and less inclined to go along with US dictates.

The economic domination of the US dollar has been waning since the 90's and now is in serious danger of toppling entirely, which is both why the US is so aggressive militarily and why US power and influence have diminished.

If we can get past the confrontation of Russia without another world war, or the use of nuclear weapons, there's a better chance the US empire will fade quietly. Unfortunately, US world power will be prolonged if Russia either backs down entirely, or gets dragged into a long civil war in Ukraine. I'll take that over world or nuclear war though. I don't have confidence that US leaders will be careful to avoid a big confrontation. I have more confidence in the Russian leadership, but they're being backed into a tight corner over there. The US leaders have obviously been the instigators and aggressors all over the planet. If US citizens could rise up against this aggression, it would help immensely.

Posted by: Cynthia | Aug 8 2014 20:35 utc | 15

the breaking of the PetroDollar
The petrodollar will only be broken when the producers refuse to accept payment in USD. Otherwise, no one else has the power to do it, unless the USA declares that it will no longer pay in USD but some other currency, which is highly unlikely.

The power play is to get the Ukraine to join the EU and drop its currency, which nearly happened last February. Then, and only then, can the bond vultures (and Nuland's ilk) get access to the Ukraine's natural resources as collateral for loans, which they fully anticipate will blow up in Ukraine's face. And we know where that goes from there. The people of the EU it seems do not want their employment lines filled with Ukrainians, so the IMF has been employed to do the initial loan-baiting work. The vultures will come in from behind as they did in Greece and Spain as soon as they can't pay the IMF back to command the resources as collateral.

As the excellent Russian analyst Stephen Cohen said in an interview with Michael Savage (thanks to whomever linked to that in another thread), one of his diplomatic contacts who worked under previous presidencies and who is tight with Biden, but not Obama, told Cohen that the Obama White House doesn't know what they are doing, they have no plan. They're flying blind with Russia and the Ukraine. Obama has no idea how the EU is financed, and how it differs from our system, so he has no clue about the consequences of what Nuland, et al, are recommending. If these neocons can get their mitts on the oil and minerals as private bankers, they can finance Israeli oil and gas fields.

Posted by: MRW | Aug 8 2014 20:40 utc | 16

Cynthia, Cyril, Juan Moment, and bevin, I responded to you, albeit belatedly, in other thread. Traveling and timing makes things difficult.

Posted by: MRW | Aug 8 2014 20:42 utc | 17

@Bevin #12:

ab initio, this might have been true a century ago. It certainly isn't now. Social mobility in the USA compares badly even with Europe.

But many outside the US don't see this yet. And of the many who still believe, a good percentage of those roll a lucky number when they get here, and perpetuate the myth by relating their good fortune to family back home.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 8 2014 20:51 utc | 18

Very well-written piece and quite a broad view too, but it does miss a few important details. Like say mentioning the main players on this world stage, the guys that pull the strings, those shadows in plain sight who trained "us" into not seeing "them". Emperors new clothes. "They live", if you know the movie.

Posted by: T2010 | Aug 8 2014 20:55 utc | 19

^ meant as constructive criticism, not bashing the otherwise great article.

Posted by: T2010 | Aug 8 2014 20:56 utc | 20

Here a link to the Michael Savage interview with Stephen Cohen that I referenced in @16.

@20 T2012, I also responded to you on the other thread.

Posted by: MRW | Aug 8 2014 21:12 utc | 21

@16: If Obama doesn't understand the Ukraine policy, why does he go along with it? Just for campaign contributions to his party from neocon fat cats and for a cushy job once he retires? Or is this a sign that he's not the one with the real power?

Posted by: lysias | Aug 8 2014 21:14 utc | 22

Obama 'Connived' with Neocons for a Bashar Replacement

I used this headline out of my anger with the Obama administration and the lies and forgeries about U.S. policy by following the neocon playbook to replace Bashar Assad. How close was the decision to bomb the Alawite regime in Damascas and giving the Sunni jihadists and ISIS terror groups a free reign to massacre Syrians.

I had bookmarked this front page story that was spot on with these prophetic words still actual today:
A demonstration of the US government's failure to appreciate how it is being railroaded by the administration into a confrontation with Syria ...

NSC Chief Hadley asked Italy for a Bashar Replacement by susanhu on Oct 23rd, 2005
The Saudi-Israeli Alliance and Piggy-back Coup of 2005

Posted by: Oui | Aug 8 2014 21:19 utc | 23

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 8, 2014 3:42:06 PM | 5

The dollar as reserve currency is not helpful to the US.

Only because 99% of the population has no clue how it actually works, without filigreed emotion or imaginary agendas.
When the dollar is no longer the reserve currency the US economy will boom again as they can then become equally mercantilistic and focus more intently on their own economy and market.

Agreed. But it could happen now in exponential multiples if Americans understood how federal accounting worked without all the hysteria and emotion. What Nixon did in 1971 was truly remarkable, but people can't separate politics and newspaper reports from reality. Because Nixon was involved in Watergate, they think all his actions are suspect. What Nixon did for the American people with Herb Stein was truly remarkable, and if everyone had intellectual honesty as the basis of their thinking, they would recognize it. Alas, the lemmings principle seems to prevail. "Let's all agree to condemn together."

I'm far more circumspect than that. I'm the downer at your dinner party with the love of a good joke. I'm also the person who realized that when you fucked up in 2003, it doesn't necessarily define you now, and I will say so.

Posted by: MRW | Aug 8 2014 21:31 utc | 24


I belatedly responded to your comment in that thread which you mentioned. My response wasn't all that direct, but it was a response nonetheless.

Posted by: Cynthia | Aug 8 2014 22:13 utc | 25

Yes and the use of the Spectacle and related terms as a means by which to further hegemony - financial and otherwise - is NOT - I repeat - is NOT due to "incompetence" but is a STRATEGY that was put into place by someone and ordered to be obeyed.

The "reality" quote attributed to Rove and reported by Suskind is TPTB letting on - for whatever reason some say it's necessary in secret societies to reveal the "trick" to masses before putting it into action - that all of this observed chaos is indeed A STRATEGY and not just the fumblings and fuck-ups of incompetent idiots!

Karl Rove was always spoken about as some sort of boy genius but the guy is a fucking retarded political hack. There's NO WAY he would have come up with this Spectacular/reality creation idea on his own much less have the power to put it into motion - i.e., convince the real BIG PLAYERS - to sign on to this coordinated "madness." No fucking way.

I've postulated before that to me it always has smacked of some stratagem cooked up at Rand or somewhere as a way to get AROUND the parameters/strictures of game theory, prisoner's dilemma, MAD and other related situations. Instead of having to figure out what the other "prisoner" will do, why not just create a reality in which you are NOT a prisoner? Voila!!! Done!

Thus, the mantra of "American Exceptionalism" should not be seen as the short-sighted bluster of incompetent politicians but rather a major component of the "prisoner-less" reality that they have created for themselves. Israel, the unbreakable bond, all that shit is a part of it too.

Hmmm, how to seal the deal to make sure NO ONE EVER speaks of said strategy - which, btw, due to its very nature doesn't need much coordinated planning - and its implications?

Involve all of the participating perps in the commission of an initial crime so horrendous, shocking and treasonous that if any one of them blew the whistle/ratted ALL OF THEM would surely be dust.

Tada!!! 9 Fucking 11!!!!

One hypothetically beautiful aspect of this all - as evidenced in the glaringly idiotic remarks of Obama, Kerry, etc - is that since even those persons nominally inhabiting the most powerful offices in the land DO NOT know what those above/behind them - i.e., the REAL PTB - KNOW - their overall plans, the details, etc - these powerful people DO INDEED LOOK like fucking incompetent douchebags as they are as much victim to the whims of their betters as the peons are.

All the handsomely rewarded "players" - i.e., politicians, celebs, etc - have to do is stick to the narratives that we as peons are so sick of fucking hearing OVER AND OVER again. Stick to the quotidian narratives - sure, you can ad lib if you want just stay within the lines - and let the Big Boys handle the Big Jobs. But...Stick...To...The...Narrative...

Note: this still, however, means that we should be going after every war criminal - puppet or not - until we get higher and higher up the food chain. Someone knows something. Someone has been spoken to by someone. This is why it is beyond critical that we treat these murderous war criminals as such and no longer brook "incompetence" alibis and excuses.

The only way I see going after this all is to rid our society of "incompetence" as a mitigating factor in the horrendous crimes and atrocities our leaders have been guilty of. There should be no more room for understanding and reason when viewing "incompetencies" that always seem to propel our overlords every upward to the increased heights of power/wealth.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 8 2014 22:21 utc | 26


And this also goes back to what I said earlier: the world needs to begin a wholesale REJECTION of everything that America is, has stood for, has become, is selling, is offering, is promising etc etc. EVERYTHING.

Nothing the US offers the world - from its MSM on down to its aid agencies to its agricultural exports - is what it seems anymore.

It's all fabricated fucking horseshit that is a ticking time-bomb for whomever accepts said gift/offer/promise, etc.

If you see an American walking down your street, at the very least run inside and shut your fucking door.

No matter if they tell you they are here to help you - e.g., a polio doctor, a nurse, a teacher, a fucking nun etc - grab your children, run as fast as you can and shut yourself in you fucking house.

Since the US has decided that reality and truth are the fucking parameters of a new "game", then they only way to avoid playing is avoid America and its people like the fucking plague.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Aug 8 2014 22:32 utc | 27

@ 27

from link to Syncretics Studies:

Russian Nationalism and Eurasianism:

The Ideology of Russian Regional Power

and the Rejection of Western Values

... Snip

The discussion above does not even scratch the surface of the richness of Eurasian thought. It is a summary of some of the Russian-language literature. In a more understandable way, much of the Eurasian idea can be summarized in these points:

1. Communitarianism against nominalism. Identities are necessarily collective.
2. Non-alignment in global affairs.
3. Eurasianism holds that while nations exist, they are not self-contained. The political unit is the civilization, which is a federation of complimentary nations.
4. Culture is the essential tie among people in a nation or civilization. The quantifiable aspects of rule are highly limited and secondary.
5. Russians are not Europeans, or at least not entirely European. Russians are mixtures of Slav, Mongol and Turkish blood that help inform their genetics. This means that Russians are genetically related to the Caucasian and some Central Asian peoples. In addition, this “third world” blood makes the Russians an ideal intermediary between Asia and Europe, or even Europe and the third world. (cf. Shlapentokh, 2007 for greater detail)
6. The state (in its true sense as the cultural collective) should put its stamp on the economy. In general, public-private ownership mixes are essential for larger and strategic industry, while private ownership remains for small business.

The Eurasian idea is one that both defines those within it as well as excludes those without. In this case, the “other” is the “West.” In the broadest of terms, the cardinal ideas of the West are these:

1. Egocentrism manifest as abstract rights rather than function, station or vocation. Rights are more rhetorical and strategic than real.
2. Democracy as necessarily proceeding from nominalism. This is not merely a “procedure” but a state of affairs. Democracy exists when liberalism does.
3. Materialism and secularism in public and economic life. In general, since rights have no discernible origin, utilitarianism becomes the official ideology by default.
4. Liberal Messianism is crucial: liberalism needs to be imposed by force.
5. The west defines “state” as that which is bureaucratic and administrative.
6. Liberal rhetoric sounds merely procedural. This is to mask the ideological core of liberalism which is essentially totalitarianism.
7. Politicians serve as window dressing for economic elites. When the economy fails, the politicians, who control nothing, are said to be at fault.
8. Evolution is part of the west’s official ideology. It serves to a) secularize society, but more importantly, b) justify colonialism, industrial capitalism and “competition.”
9. “Rationality” is defined in purely economic terms.
10. “Science” and the “scientific establishment” are treated as identical. Science is defined as that which deals with formal and quantitative properties. This, in turn, is identical with the concept of “intelligibility.”
11. Liberalism rejects the “nation” as fiction, yet, holds formal quantity, the “international community,” and the isolated ego as palpable realities.

These two views of the world are antithetical. The west views itself as the apex of human liberty while seeing the east as in need of western assistance. Evolution is leading the world to the western idea, which was the purpose of the Darwinian system from the beginning. It is no accident that this view of the world arose from the height of English colonial rule and industrial development. Capitalism sees the world merely as a series of markets or resource bases to control. Peoples are treated in purely quantitative terms.

Much more at link:

Posted by: crone | Aug 8 2014 23:38 utc | 28

Murderous war criminals had better be ultimately incompetently flawed and not Formidable or they will never be punished.

Moreover, the degrees of anti-Americanism displayed whether in Russia, Syria, Iran, Palestine, Spain or Iceland, etc. do not depend on whether the American Empire and partner Israel are viewed to be formidably criminal or criminal but also incompetently so.

When Ayatollah Sistani refused to meet with Americans during the entire occupation, I'm quite sure his assumption of evil motives coincided with his belief the occupier was not formidable in conspiratorial planning. That played a
key part in why Iran still has a great foothold in Iraq.

Posted by: truthbetold | Aug 8 2014 23:41 utc | 29

@28 - Thanks, crone! Quite useful (and timely) info. Love the 'reading tree' aspect of MoA.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 9 2014 0:02 utc | 30


You talk as if USA has been frozen in time since 1921

Posted by: Massinissa | Aug 9 2014 0:39 utc | 31

I'm parsing JSorrentine's brilliance at 26 and 27 through a filter held in place by truthbetold at 29. Between the two, I think I finally have something to work with here.

I keep trying very hard not to underestimate the cunning and calculation of the people causing the moves to be made, and to find the clever behind the stupid. But they don't make it easy to find the clever because the stupid is so outrageous, and so apparently authentic on the part of the players who fucked up.

JSorrentine has continually shown us the institutional fabric, if you will, of how the front lines control of the narrative works.

While truthbetold points to a human and existential truth that cannot be denied: we are each of us really proficient in some areas and completely incapable in others. Against this background, personal ego weaves a covering screen that allows us not to see the flaws in ourselves. But this very human condition gives rise to the eternal truth that evil is often done badly.

Controlling the narrative of course simply allows a vastly greater layer of incompetence to persist, while the personal egos of the power-mad are quite strong enough to keep all this clouded from their own self reflection.

Hope this doesn't sound too armchair and theoretical.

In the end, on the field of battle, in the heat of war, in the blindness and clarity of the moment, I hope to remember Sorrentine's advisory that the truest enemies are probably safely encamped well out of sight beyond the next hill, in conjunction with truthbetold's excellent encouragement that they had just better be fallible, and probably are, and can be reached by extraordinary tactics, and eliminated - at least for the battle at hand.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 9 2014 2:12 utc | 32

Russian Spring

Comment: Combatant Prokhorov informed about approximate number of Ukrainian troops wrested out of the “South Caldron”:

- Out of 72nd - about 410 made through including wounded. They abandoned all weapons

- Out of 24th mechanized – about 500 troops exited. They retained most of their hardware

- The border troops of customs terminal Marinovka are “missing in action”

- Out of 79th - just handful of troops left, empty-handed. Data about them are classified

- 51st brigade – casualties unknown, but less than a company (1/3 – 1/5) made through

- 3rd of special purpose reconnaissance (spetsnaz) regiment – casualties unknown, again, only small group left

The unblocking strike toward the caldron was accomplished by units of 51, 30, 95, 25 brigades with support of 26 artillery brigade. All these units sustained losses. However, really good job was done by the Ukrainian combat engineers – the highest grade…

Exact quantity of trophy hardware is still being counted. Some sources claim approximately 67 units. Preliminary, the combatants gained many tanks, 18 rocket launching systems “Grad”, armored carriers, howitzers, anti-aircraft rocket systems. Most of the hardware has been already assigned, some sent for repair.

Posted by: Fete | Aug 9 2014 4:16 utc | 33

the dodgy media, the corrupt 'international community' and fascists cry that russia is arming the rebels,. meanwhile
#NATO plane arrives in #Ukraine with $4.5 mn worth of military aid for #Kiev troops

Posted by: brian | Aug 9 2014 5:35 utc | 34

'This, for example, even though eloquently put, is demonstrably false.

Clearly, the US is doing everything possible to provoke and spark a fire in the heart of Europe, which the world -- should it survive -- will never forget.
America's been laid back when it's come to Russia and Ukraine and the sanctions are window dressing, even the latest round by both sides.'
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 8, 2014 1:21:30 PM | 3

trust this fellow to come to the aid of the US empire with his 'demonstratably false' undemonstrated.

US is demonstratably doing just that

Posted by: brian | Aug 9 2014 5:44 utc | 35

I have to admit that many years ago, like the bear of little brain, I had great difficulty in understanding many things.

Then, after 9-11, it finally dawned on me that people lie. In fact if you first assume that everything is a lie, unless proven otherwise, things don't seem quite so complicated.

So now, whenever anyone tells me anything, me first reaction is to say "bullshit". Of course, this may simply be a symptom of undiagnosed Asperger's, but no, fuckit, people lie all the time.

Or, more accurately, some people lie all the time.

How about these fucking lying useless British cunts - you now - the ones who are trying to start WWIII because, well because WWII was such fun ..

Google : farnborough black boxes

LONDON, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – It will take about two days to retrieve and decipher data from flight recorders of the Malaysian airliner that crashed in eastern Ukraine last week killing nearly 300 people, a spokesman for the UK Department for Transport told reporters Wednesday.

The British have been in possession of these black boxes since July 22.

That's 18 days and counting.

Still haven't heard the dog barking. Not a whimper.

Oh well, who is stupid enough to believe them anyway?

Posted by: DM | Aug 9 2014 6:26 utc | 36

Haha, according to the latest Robert Parry piece on MH17, US intelligence officers are now favoring the theory that rogue elements of the Kiev regime ordered the plane downed because they thought it was Putin's plane. (As some may recall, RT floated that theory on the day of the downing.) Somehow, American intelligence finds that theory more plausible than that the Ukes knowingly shot down a airliner in order to frame the freedom fighters.

According to the present version, the junta produced, on the very same day the plane was shot down, at least two fabricated pieces of evidence implicating the rebels once they had realized their horrible mistake.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 9 2014 6:32 utc | 37

@brian - #34

What did the Australian and Dutch cargo planes move into Kharkiv? Two planes were flying 24/7 goods from Eindhoven airport, 100 tons per flight. Certainly not for the so-called "Recovery Mission M-17" which folded within 10 days. The Dutch came to the conclusion the local people of Donetsk region did a remarkable job in collecting bodies and personal belongings. The local people got 800 volunteers who did the job long before the Dutch arrived via the Kiev junta.

Did PM Dutch PM Mark Rutte, Abbott of Australian and Obama retract their early accusations of pilfering, moving wreckage and removing bodies at the MH-17 crash-site? No, they was feeding the anti-Putin trolls of the media.

Reports by OSCE SMM in Ukraine giving support to MH-17 recovery

Spokesperson for Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg, head of Recovery Mission MH-17. Also a press officer for the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs [Frans Timmermans]. Twitter account of Ilona de Ruyter. Excellent serie of photo's from Recovery Mission MH-17 at work in Ukraine – 100 foto's en video's.

Her tweet: "Aalbersberg: @OSCE_SMM delivered a top performance in negotiating access to the crash site #MH17."

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2014 7:55 utc | 38

rotten leadership in latvia
Russian Market ‏@russian_market 21m
Latvia bans meat, milk products from Belarus.

- oh, are we getting emotional?

Posted by: brian | Aug 9 2014 8:09 utc | 39

Posted by: DM | Aug 9, 2014 2:26:31 AM | 36
Fair enough deciphering is not analyzing and obviously considering the huge political and legal implication investigators will be very careful how they word their report, ie take their time.

Malaysian defense minister has come out with this now

He said intelligence and evidence gathered from the fragments of the ill-fated aircraft clearly showed it was shot down by missiles that were launched to the air from the ground.

"Based on military intelligence and evidence from a portion of fragments found, it is not likely the bullets were used from air to air but from surface to air.

"Whether these were owned by Ukraine or the rebels who supplied by Russia.the bullets must have come from BUK System and this matter cannot be denied by Europe, Nato or Russia," he told reporters after officiating the Bera Umno's Wanita, Youth and Puteri wing division meeting here today.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 9 2014 8:40 utc | 40

"Based on military intelligence and evidence ..."

Yea, what evidence exactly? Sounds like more verbiage and baseless weasel words to me.

Where is the fucking flight recorder data !

Posted by: DM | Aug 9 2014 9:09 utc | 41

Where is the flight recorder data?

An Air Algérie plane crashed just recently, I think the analysis was done in 4 days (I’d have to look it up to be exact.)

As I posted previously, with some argument, the attack was obviously (imho) ‘rogue’, not carried out by any of the participants broadly defined, but by a small group. Or even a tight tiny set of individuals. Imho, many - say the US and Russia, The Ukr. Gvmt. in the form of Poro and Yats, France, etc. knew anything about it in the hours that followed.

The reaction was thus automatic, along the “society as spectacle” line. Some new element, one that is highly shocking and can’t be denied, enters stage top. And is thus immediately interpreted much like in a movie, I mean that almost literally, a film one sees. Thus, the separatists were blamed, because that was in the interest of the “West”, and it is the “West” that has the power to determine the narrative arc. Within the script, how could it be different?

The irony is that even the perception of who the perps were (which is not perhaps the best question but one that immediately arises) doesn’t matter. It could be a false flag, a vendetta against Malaysia, an act of God - that is immaterial, it simply follows that the separatists must be blamed. Certainly, imho, many, in SS or even ‘experts’ of one kind or another, simply believed in separatists guilt, no other explanation can fit the circumstances. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon, and the event is thus jammed into a constructed history. Note an explanation that quickly arose: the separatists “did it” but by accident, they were trying to down an Ukr. military plane - this is the only explanation that leaves the actor’s role intact, while attributing a different intent - to wash some contradictions away.

Yet, reality bites. There are major procedures and agreements for investigating air-line crashes and now these need to be subverted, and nobody knows what exactly to do. The wires are humming and a lot of underground negotiations and HUGE cash transfers are taking place, imho.

A properly organised false flag would not have created such quasi-insuperable difficulties! We see the PTB exposed by their own reality-making schemes. Just do a gore-spattered FF - it will fly (sic.) Not when adopted by some rogue faction of an unreliable ally or vassal.

Best guess as to the end result: Nothing to see here, move along. The tapes from the ACT will disappear, the black-box data will show nothing of value - pilots did not communicate, etc. This will be a hard sell, hopefully some will dare contest, protest. If not, bad news.


thx for the links to Lehmann (unaware) i was going to post Flores

i meant to respond to the Russia sanctions thing, maybe later if i can get it together

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 9 2014 10:53 utc | 42

Nope, This article doesn't take into account that the upcoming bankruptcy of the US will torpedo the PETRODOLLAR system. It's the most potent weapon to destroy the PETRODOLLAR. People focus too much on the USD itself, but it's the failure/breakdown of the underlying stucture called US T-bond market that's the pivotal event breaking the PETRODOLLAR system.


Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 9 2014 11:12 utc | 43

What happens to the PETRODOLLAR is also in the hands of the US conusmer. If they retrench once more then the US current account deficit can\will turn into a surplus. Then at the same time the US budget deficit will go through the roof. The combination of both will push US interest rates through the roof as well.

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 9 2014 11:15 utc | 44

If the breaking of the PETRODOLLAR is the goal of the entire game then why didn't the EU cooperate with Russia ?

One has to keep in mind that one Saddam Hoessein demanded in october 2000 that iraqi oil had to be paid for with Euros. And that was one MAJOR reason why the US invaded Iraq.

Posted by: Willy2 | Aug 9 2014 11:32 utc | 45

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 9, 2014 6:53:54 AM | 42

Too many countries involved, too many legal issues ... The Air Algerie voice recorder was unreadable.

I would consider the process normal except for the immediate blaming/sanctioning Russia. And the uniform media hype, going as far as blaming the shocked villagers/rebels for the way they tried to cope - which they did very efficiently the OSCE had to admit in the end. And the fact that Ukraine is clearly obstructing the investigation.

It is worth remembering what Putin and Obama said after the crash.

This here is Obama

"It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy," Obama said at the start of a speech in Wilmington, Delaware. He said the White House's "first priority" would be determining whether any U.S. citizens were on board. An adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister has said 23 U.S. citizens were among those on board who were killed in the crash. None of the reported 295 people on board survived.

Obama said his national security team would remain in "close contact" with Ukrainian counterparts. After saying the U.S. would offer "any assistance we can" to the Ukrainian government, Obama quickly moved on to the original purpose of his speech, which was to urge Congress to come together on a long-term infrastructure plan.

This here is Putin

“I would like to note that this tragedy would not have occurred if there were peace in that country, or in any case, if hostilities had not resumed in southeast Ukraine,” Putin told his assembled advisers after observing a moment of silence for the flight’s passengers.

“And certainly, the government over whose territory it occurred is responsible for this terrible tragedy.”

and this is Obama after having thought about it

Here’s what we know so far. Evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that was launched from an area that is controlled by Russian-backed separatists inside of Ukraine. We also know that this is not the first time a plane has been shot down in eastern Ukraine. Over the last several weeks, Russian-backed separatists have shot down a Ukrainian transport plane and a Ukrainian helicopter, and they claimed responsibility for shooting down a Ukrainian fighter jet. Moreover, we know that these separatists have received a steady flow of support from Russia. This includes arms and training. It includes heavy weapons, and it includes anti-aircraft weapons. ... Moreover, time and again, Russia has refused to take the concrete steps necessary to deescalate the situation. I spoke to President Putin yesterday in the wake of additional sanctions that we had imposed. He said he wasn’t happy with them, and I told him that we have been very clear from the outset that we want Russia to take the path that would result in peace in Ukraine, but so far at least, Russia has failed to take that path. Instead, it has continued to violate Ukrainian sovereignty and to support violent separatists. It has also failed to use its influence to press the separatists to abide by a cease-fire. That’s why, together with our allies, we’ve imposed growing costs on Russia.

So now is, I think, a somber and appropriate time for all of us to step back and take a hard look at what has happened. Violence and conflict inevitably lead to unforeseen consequences. Russia, these separatists, and Ukraine all have the capacity to put an end to the fighting. Meanwhile, the United States is going to continue to lead efforts within the world community to de-escalate the situation; to stand up for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine; and to support the people of Ukraine as they courageously work to strengthen their democracy and make their own decisions about how they should move forward.

So "evidence indicates" "Russia, these separatists, and Ukraine all have the capacity to put an end to the fighting", and "this tragedy would not have occured if".

What the sanctians are supposed to do except express displeasure is completely unclear. Presumably they are meant to force Russia to withdraw support from pro-Russians in Ukraine.

This here is IATA

Ukraine bears responsibility for keeping its airspace open to flights like the doomed MH17, says the chief executive of the International Air Transport Association, Tony Tyler.

“Airlines depend on governments and air traffic control authorities to advise which air space is available for flight, and they plan within those limits,” he said.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 9 2014 13:11 utc | 46

I read MOA every day and love many if not the vast majority of the posts. This piece was very thoughtfully composed and articulated and the references to different thinkers etc. is fantastic!

However, I really think that the world moves along in the same fashion more or less in which it has habitually moved on. Without the internet, perhaps many more of us would be in the dark and all enthusiastic about our assorted countries and leaders, but there seems to be coteries of individuals throughout the ages who have been able to see through the various absurdities of the human condition. Irrationality, faulty logic, untruth, have always been problematic, and the truth, it seems to me is really the simplest of phenomenon readily available to all in the twinkling of an eye. Every human being, I think is capable of redemption at any point in time.

Please whoever you are Colden holefield, continue posting here, your infuriating observations are so amusing! Whether you mean it or not, I think of you as the Psaky of MOA! Great stuff! Jsorrentine, you are great! I love your anger and to laugh even at myself! I've been trying my best to avoid Americans for years and years, and now I've learned that I must even avoid myself!!! Love it!

Posted by: geoff29 | Aug 9 2014 13:34 utc | 47

Kiev is now drafting 50 to 60 years olds into the National Guard. Who would have thought old men would be at the end of the combat?
I think here the US doesn't want a multipolar world, wants a quick fix by taking Ukraine for bases - isolating Russia then China.
Putin knows this but he is working on a long game plan and can play to winds of change and unrest that will continue in the Ukraine. Defeating the rebels will not end unrest, with no war rebellion can only enter the political spectrum. This will present many difficulties for the simple minded US goals.

Posted by: Gary Morton | Aug 9 2014 14:03 utc | 48

"...I think here the US doesn't want a multipolar world, wants a quick fix by taking Ukraine for bases - isolating Russia then China..."
Posted by: Gary Morton | Aug 9, 2014 10:03:05 AM | 48

It makes me wonder how TPTB did in pre-k and kindergarten. It appears to me some if not most did not learn the principle of sharing...

Posted by: really | Aug 9 2014 14:41 utc | 49

bevin @12

"this might have been true a century ago." you around then to know that? which country do you actually live in?

both my sister and brother have married first generation immigrants. they arrived in the usa with nothing, went to school and moved up the social ladder as professionals and were upper middle class before they met my siblings.

do you know anything about the tech industry in california, texas, raleigh and boston? do you know the number of first generation immigrants from india, china, eastern europe who have made it as entrepreneurs, engineers, executives. look at the management teams of all the major tech companies - you will find at least one member is a first generation immigrant.

i know two immigrant families well - one is vietnamese and the other laotian. they came as refugees. their kids (second generation immigrants) are all professionals.

show me any country in the world where an immigrant can make it better than the usa.

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 9 2014 14:53 utc | 50

@really - #49


The lubrication of capitalism according to Thatcher and Reaganomics:
Capitalism = Wall Street = Greed = Selfish Desire

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2014 14:56 utc | 51

If US REALLY wants to stop ISIS, why do they not pressure Turkey to halt the flow of weapons and Jihadists across the border to Iraq and Syria. Something not kosher here. US apparently only has problems with ISIS if they threaten Baghhad or Kurds. But carnage in Syria and the rest of Iraq just fine with with Us elites.

Posted by: Vollin | Aug 9 2014 15:29 utc | 52

ot @50 ab initio.. i agree with you.

it seems many people who go to the usa are driven by the american dream of the self made person who will become rich if they succeed.. the internet start up companies helped produce a number of successful immigrants who had the knowledge to work in that area. i know many of them would be from countries like india or china. i don't believe they could reach anywhere near the same degree of material success in either of those countries.. at the same time there's a lot of suffering in the usa with a big divide between rich and poor and a middle class that is being eroded away very quickly...

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2014 15:39 utc | 53

bevin @12

"this might have been true a century ago." you around then to know that? which country do you actually live in?

do you know anything about the tech industry in california, texas, raleigh and boston?

do you know the number of first generation immigrants from india, china, eastern europe who have made it as entrepreneurs, engineers, executives.

Posted by: ab initio | Aug 9, 2014 10:53:18 AM | 50

Not that I necessarily agree with the rest of what you have to say, but on this subject:
No he doesn't know anything about many of the things upon which he frequently pontificates. (His sycophantic sidekick shares much the same level of outright ignorance, about many of the things upon which HE too frequently pontificates)

BUT it never stops him (and his sycophantic sidekick, natch) from pontificating about these things though. For ivory-tower bloviating windbags such as bevin all that is required is belief in the idea "I thought it, therefore it must be correct, profound and worth inflicting on others")

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 9 2014 15:58 utc | 54

Politics is about money. Period. Anything that distracts from that 'narrative' will be promoted. The 'god', &/or 'gays' &/or 'guns' line works with many on the right, while humanitarian liberalism etc works with many in the center and center-left. For the hard left no distractions work. Period. That's why anyone remotely left NEVER appears in MSM - the distraction narrative must be sustained 24/7. Only fake left folks are allowed in MSM. That's why JSore is wrong about Chomsky, Parry, etc - if there were fake left they wouldl be on MSM every day.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 9 2014 16:36 utc | 55

#50 ab initio

show me any country in the world where an immigrant can make it better than the usa.

Show me any country that produces more immigrants all over the world with endless wars and interventions than the US.

Posted by: Ed Lozano | Aug 9 2014 17:52 utc | 56

Uncle $cam @ 13: Thanks for the link. Same old battle eh? Necessary progress Vs. The status quo.

lysias @ 22: "Or is this a sign that he's not the one with the real power?"...Bingo!

Posted by: ben | Aug 9 2014 17:53 utc | 57

Demian at 37: I suspect that this is what Nixon and his henchmen used to call a "modified limited hangout". This means the original story isn't flying and a secondary story has to be promoted to continue the actual coverup.

The US can't say, "Yeah, the CIA and the Kiev coup government devised a false flag operation to further discredit Russia and the rebels." The lack of contrails suggest it wasn't a BUK missile at all. So the Mighty Wurlitzer has to generate a new tune. The story about attempting to shoot down Putin's plane and hitting the airliner is just that. You will notice that Parubiy has resigned his position as head of the Interior Ministry this week. He's being dressed as the fall guy, partly because he's presumed crazy enough to shoot down Putin's plane, partly because the war he's been waging against the rebels isn't going well. Also, if Ukraine ever has to come back from the edge they'll need a back wherein to plant the knife.

Still, we have those air traffic controller tapes that haven't been released, we have those black boxes gathering dust somewhere and we have those US intel satellite photos that are still hidden.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Aug 9 2014 18:01 utc | 58

at 52: Or bomb Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. I think the US wants the area to be unstable. It doesn't want Shia energy products flowing into Europe to replace Russian gas. It would just be cutting off one competing energy source and turning it over to another. There was a story about a year ago about a planned gas pipeline running from Iran, through Iraq, across Syria to the Mediterranean. That's not going to happen anytime soon now.

Likewise, what's going on in Ukraine can be explained by US attempts to shut down South Stream over the last couple of years.

The US foreign policy over my lifetime has been "Where's the oil and who do we have to kill to get it?" The US may be willing to blow up ISIS enough to keep them out of Kurdistan but still block any unitary Shia energy development.

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Aug 9 2014 18:13 utc | 59

Thanks to all the American patriots commenting here.
You can pick up your paychecks at the same locations, at the same time. Coupon Code#44NSA(US)
Great job guys. True patriots!

Now we need some more support elsewhere (you all know your assignments). Make us proud. Again.

@(Cold N. Holefield, ab initio, Chortle)

As we said: we'll take all this into account when the FEMA caps are active and running...and who knows - you guys could be Kapos

Posted by: The NSA | Aug 9 2014 18:24 utc | 60

MRW@16 & 21

This post and Stephen Cohen’s remarks you cited are very close to the truth. There are five or six power blocks at play in the West who ignited the Cold War 2; not the least, I must add, are the War Profiteers. This didn’t just happen in the last six months. The agitprop campaign against Russia was prepared and rolled out on day one. The MH-17 shoot-down is part and parcel of the western governments lying to their people.

I noticed that ongoing falling apart of the West is very similar to the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990’s. It is not a coincidence. This is Economic Elite’s Shock Capitalism at work.

I read this yesterday and it pretty much nails why we are at war with Russia:
“There is a deeper reason why the oligarchs who own and operate the country formerly known as America are currently attempting to enlarge every problem they see, be it stoking civil war in Ukraine or provoking ISIS into attacking Americans: they are desperate to avoid a scenario where the US collapses on its own, with no external enemy to blame.”

Posted by: VietnamVet | Aug 9 2014 18:24 utc | 61


So maybe all this "orcheastrated chaos" is meant to help this come to fruition in time...

My only question is Qatar and Turkey are backing hamas. Or is that just a front?

Posted by: really | Aug 9 2014 18:29 utc | 62

Posted by: The NSA | Aug 9, 2014 2:24:03 PM | 60

funny that even when one says one does not agree, the Donkey-Dong Bevinites still can't resist the attempt to smear. Very much like the Zio-Nazis in that resect. Clearly they are upset about something (but when are they not? - Probably not enough Donkey Dongs for all of them to join in @ the group get-together )

PS: you also forgot to smear james for his 53

ot @50 ab initio.. i agree with you.

Posted by: james | Aug 9, 2014 11:39:19 AM | 53

slipping up there gimp.

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 9 2014 18:38 utc | 63

Just curious:

You Donkey-Dongers are following how the various spectacular spectacles are playing out, yes?

We've got Iraq and ISIS. How's that working out? Lets see:


Are our war-mongering bomb-merchants, looking totally fucking incompetent enough for ya yet? In Iraq those nasty old ISIS boys are such a threat well, gosh golly gee, we just gotta drop a few tons somewhere.

"We dumb ass Elites never meant for any of this to happen, honest guv'nor!"

And Ukraine/MH17: with it's total lack of anything that looks like an "investigation", nor any desire for one, despite all the weeks of loud demands and loud declarations and loud threats from the Dutch, Aus, even Malaysia. Tsk tsk.

Oh but a few plane-loads of equipment went anyway - just for a laugh, eh?

Fun, huh?

What a bunch of dumb Elite idiots- coming up with all that, eh?

And the media being totally on board and 100% on message? Well that's just pure coincidence, ain't it? These guys are so dumb they could never have co-ordinated all of that.

Don't worry your pretty little heads about it. Let the Donkey-Dongers do your thinking for ya, or the Gimp will get all puffed up one day during one of his many many ritual "Political denouncments" and will reveal you as that most dreaded antithesis of all that is clearly plain and decent: "a Patriot!"

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 9 2014 19:28 utc | 64

Report by Dutch Recovery Team Search of 20 Hrs   [map of search area released]

The Dutch led Repatriation Mission [Recovery Mission MH-17] was divided over six days. In a total period of twenty hours the search took place in the disaster area. During that time an important area with many remains and wreckage was carefully searched.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2014 19:32 utc | 65

@63 chortle.. nothing to add to the conversation? just attack others and show everyone how little you have to offer!

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2014 19:32 utc | 66

No official investigation of the actual wreckage, due to Ukie attacks in the area - no one even looking like they ever intend nor intended to actually examine it

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 9 2014 19:40 utc | 67

@63 chortle.. nothing to add to the conversation?

you are a very two-faced hypocritical individual james - there are several comments here that did nothing but attack others, but you had no problem with them. your po-faced pretence concerning "adding to the conversation" might have had some credibility if you had. But sadly no

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 9 2014 19:46 utc | 68

Viet Vet says

"There are five or six power blocks at play in the West who ignited the Cold War 2; not the least, I must add, are the War Profiteers.

The Formidable Conspiracy Monotone reduces this to one bloc, always profitting, always in cohesion.

The truth is, as Viet Vet proceeds to say, indirectly, profit can accompany Collapse.
On the day the Empire collapses, some members of one power ploc at least, among many losers, will scurry away with full pockets.

Posted by: truthbetold | Aug 9 2014 19:46 utc | 69

@68 chortle.. address them on an individual basis.. why do you feel the need to attack me as well? if someone says something you don't agree with, state your piece without making it personal..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2014 19:58 utc | 70

how long does a complete investigation of mh17 take to finish? some seem to think because they have the black boxes or the air controller conversations and haven't revealed what the data tells them, it's a cover up.. it may be a cover up, but does anyone know how long something like this takes to complete? i have no idea..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2014 20:18 utc | 71

Some of our operatives are very rude when spreading propaganda here.
And we love it!

Truly yours,
The Elite

Posted by: The Elite | Aug 9 2014 20:23 utc | 72

Posted by: james | Aug 9, 2014 4:18:16 PM | 71

It will be a diplomatic dance between the Netherlands, Ukraine, Russia, Australia and Malaysia with quite a few policians involved who want to look good at home.

There is no chance for Ukraine to come out of the investigation looking good as they should have closed the air space. Robert Parry's sources hit the main point that will be close to impossible to prove, who under whose orders shot the plane down.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 9 2014 21:07 utc | 73

@james #71:

Part of an aircraft crash investigation is collecting all the pieces of the aircraft that can be recovered. It appears no serious effort to do that was made in this case, since the junta's army started fighting near the crash area, something it had promised not to do, once investigators finally got to it.

If there were no cover up, the US would have made the junta honor its promise. A full investigation at the crash site not being attempted, by itself, makes the investigation a charade, as far as I can tell.

The PTB can only get away with this sort of thing because of the pliant western media.

As for ATC recordings, according to Google, in the case of Swissair Flight 111, a transcript was released a few days after the crash. I believe that that is the norm. As far as I know, it is unheard of for at least a transcript not to be released more than three weeks after a crash. The conclusion that some kind of coverup is going on is unavoidable.

One thing that makes matters complicated here is that, as I have noted before, Russia almost certainly has ATC recordings of the last few minutes of MH17, since Rustov was about to take over.

BTW, it's not clear that the CIA was involved in this op, since I think it would have been worried about Russia having evidence of what really happened.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 9 2014 21:11 utc | 74

Posted by: Demian | Aug 9, 2014 5:11:00 PM | 74

Lockerbie? Three years of investigation?

Posted by: somebody | Aug 9 2014 21:31 utc | 75

thanks demian and somebody.. it is hard not to see parubiy as the fall guy at this point, if and when some info is released on this..
here is pepe escobars latest some might enjoy reading.

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2014 21:44 utc | 76

The British have been in possession of these black boxes since July 22.That's 18 days and counting.

Still haven't heard the dog barking. Not a whimper.

Oh well, who is stupid enough to believe them anyway?

Posted by: DM | Aug 9, 2014 2:26:31 AM | 36

Well, james and somebody, by the looks of it

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 9 2014 23:06 utc | 77

@Oui #78:

I was expecting them to wait much longer. But I guess I was looking at it from an American point of view. There must be pressure from victims' families for something to be announced/released.

We will see if something is released next week, and who it points to. My guess is that they will stick to the Buk story, but will say that they are not able to determine who shot the Buk.

As I said before, it is hard to pin the alleged Buk shooting on the rebels, since no one ever claimed, as far as I know, that they had more than one Buk unit, the one that fires the missiles, whereas a control unit and a primary radar unit would have been required to shoot down MH17.

The Ukes had all three in the area of Donetsk on the day of the shooting and activated the radar.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 10 2014 0:05 utc | 79

The Malaysian Transport Ministers talk of reports yet to be seen is funny cos the malaysian Govt have already announced their reading of events: the rebels suppossedly shot it down, with the BUK.

They released this statement despite no one ever having examined any wreckage

And unless the malaysians are planning on returning and examkning the wreckage in the next 2 days, then whatever report they come up with will essentially be garbage

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 10 2014 1:04 utc | 80

@Chortle #80:

the malaysian Govt have already announced their reading of events: the rebels suppossedly shot it down, with the BUK.

Given that in its only briefing to the mainstream press (as opposed to Robert Parry), the US intelligence community basically said "we may never know who shot the plane down", I don't think that would fly. (Pardon the pun.) The US hasn't denied that the Ukes had a working Buk system in the Donetsk area at the time of the shooting. So even if a Buk did it, it could have been shot either by the rebels (not really; they didn't have a full system) or by the Ukes.

The main objective of the preliminary findings will be to rule out air-to-air fire, because that would unambiguously implicate Kyiv.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 10 2014 1:37 utc | 81

Just posted the following at FDL's blog, The Dissenter. Should be of some interest to those here - CIA Intervention in Ukraine Has Been Taking Place for Decades

Posted by: Jeff Kaye | Aug 10 2014 2:04 utc | 82

@Willy2 no. 43, et seq.

How can the US go bankrupt sine 100% of its debt is denominated in fiat dollars? The only way for bankruptcy would be a political refusal to pay its debt. There is no financial constraint to paying the debt.

Posted by: sleepy | Aug 10 2014 3:18 utc | 83

@james no. 53

And part of that erosion of the middle class which you refers to has come about directly as a result of Microsoft and other tech giants lobbying congress for an increase in H1-B visas which allows the immigration of large numbers of skilled tech workers from China and India, all the while US citizens with the same qualifications are unemployed or working for lower wages as a result of this immigration.

Posted by: sleepy | Aug 10 2014 3:32 utc | 84

malaysia is not satisfied snd demands the ATC tapes
are the missing ATC tapes important? kievs fascist junta thinks so and their denial proves it
MH17> Malaysia want now the tower recordings ,
hidden by SBU / CIA / NATO - Ukraine denies
that there has ever been seizured (lie)
Pressure >>>

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 3:56 utc | 85

@brian #85:

Interesting development: nice find.

Over at FireDogLake, someone said that all of the Malaysian press is state controlled. If so, the conflicting reports in this news Web site suggest that there is a struggle going on in the Malaysian government whether to go with the NATO lies.

Posted by: Demian | Aug 10 2014 4:36 utc | 86

Posted by: Demian | Aug 10, 2014 12:36:21 AM | 86

this 'state controlled' vs 'free press' is a implies the former is dishonest and the latter is not

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 4:59 utc | 87

'A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia’s flagship English-language newspaper, charged the US- and European-backed Ukrainian regime in Kiev with shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 in east Ukraine last month. Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.
The US and European media have buried this remarkable report, which refutes the wave of allegations planted by the CIA in international media claiming that Russian president Vladimir Putin was responsible for the destruction of MH17, without presenting any evidence to back up this charge.'
i cant help snarkly noting that WSWS says malaysias media is tightly controlled while making no such claim for the western media which ignores the report!

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 7:03 utc | 88

@brian #88:

I know some people here like WSWS, but I it is hard for me to take it very seriously, since it is no less ideology-based than the Wall Street Journal editorial page or The Economist.

By the way, the New Straits Times report that the WSWS refers to is based on Robert Parry's reporting. We here at MoA can read Parry at first hand, instead of at third hand. ;-)

On a more general note, the situation in the former Ukraine appears to be extremely fluid. There's not just the junta's assault on Novorossia: there is also the increasingly tenuous nature of Poroshenko's grip on power, the breaking up of the Euromaidan camps, and the question which is coming back to people's attention of who downed MH17.

And the weather hasn't even started to get cold yet…

Posted by: Demian | Aug 10 2014 7:36 utc | 89

✨FӛЯĎì ✨ ‏@2Ferdi7 14m
Kiev Régime targets Soviet era war memorials because they are invariably anti-fascist in nature. #SaurMogila #Ukraine?

who else destroys monuments? islamists

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 7:49 utc | 90

Jeff@82, nice piece at firedoglake. I look forward to the follow-up article.

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 10 2014 7:58 utc | 91

what do crimeans think of the US?

'Moreover, “Additionally, in the Crimean region — Ukraine’s farthest southeast area, which our President, Barack Obama, says that Russia forcibly seized when the people there voted overwhelmingly on 16 March 2014 to become part of Russia again (as they had been until 1954) — only 2.8% of the public there view the U.S. favorably; more than 97% of Crimeans do not.”'

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 8:05 utc | 92

Finally a useful article inEgypt an al-Sisi
'How exactly did the USA stab Egypt and its people in the back with Morsi and the Muslim Brothers?

In July 2012 the Chief of Egypt’s Military Intelligence, Omar Suleiman, died during a routine medical checkup in a U.S. Hospital in Cleavland. Omar Suleiman was not only one of the closest of Al-Sisi’s friends. Omar Suleiman also had detailed knowledge about the U.S., Qatari and Turkish intelligence services’ involvement in the Arab Spring.

Morsi became Egypt’s first democratically elected president. Morsi suspended the lower house of parliament and the judiciary without protests from the USA. Morsi changed Egypt’s constitution and election law, making it impossible for non-Islamist parties to compete in elections. The Obama administration praised Morsi for reforming Egypt. Morsi became Egypt’s first democratically elected dictator. U.S. propaganda sold the coup as struggle for freedom and democracy.

When the opposition demanded serious talks about the constitutional changes, the prominent Muslim Brotherhood leader Amr Darrag said that it was “a waste of time and that suspending the national dialog over the constitution issue was unrealistic”. It was after Darrag’s statement in January 2013 that he opposition began organizing mass protests.

In June 2013, Morsi achieved one more record. About 14 million Egyptians went to the streets and demanded that he either start talks with the opposition or step down. The military deployed to protect public buildings. The warning that the military had to step in unless Morsi began talking with the opposition was ignored.

The U.S. Response to the ouster of Morsi on July 3, 2013 was unequivocal condemnation. The worst betrayal, however, had yet to come.

In August, police and military announced that protesters would have to leave Rabia Square because the one month long occupation of the square had brought traffic and businesses in inner Cairo to a standstill.

Mysterious snipers were seen on rooftops, firing at those protesters who were following police orders to leave Rabia square. A panic ensued and people fled back to the square where they were met with automatic rifle fire. Hundreds of panicking protesters were mowed down by Muslim Brotherhood militants who opened fire from behind sand-sack enforced positions in the square.

Videos, showing military shooting, were distributed to Al-Jazeera. Not one word was said about the fact that the military fired at the gunmen who were firing into the protesters. 578 were killed, 4,021 injured.

The U.S. Response was unequivocal condemnation of the brutal massacre on peaceful pro-Morsi protesters. It was after this incident that Al-Sisi said:

“The people of Egypt are aware of the fact that the USA has stabbed Egypt in the back with the Muslim brotherhood and Morsi. It is something that Egypt will not easily forget or forgive”.

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 8:39 utc | 93

Great stuff, thanks brian.

Egypt’s Military Intelligence chief Omar Suleiman, died in a U.S. Hospital in Cleveland

Omar Suleiman's presidential bid was blocked by the Supreme Presidential Electoral Committee (SPEC) because he failed to acquire the number of recommendations stipulated by the election law. During Suleiman's short-lived presidential bid he portrayed himself as a staunch enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamist forces.

The Cleveland Clinic confirmed that he died early today of complications of amyloidosis -- a group of diseases resulting from the abnormal depositing of protein in the organs -- after arriving at the hospital and receiving a diagnosis.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 10 2014 9:33 utc | 94

'Humanitarian crisis does not even begin to describe it; there’s no water, electricity, communication, fuel and medicine left in Luhansk. Kiev’s heavy artillery partially destroyed four hospitals and three clinics. Luhansk, in a nutshell, is the Ukrainian Gaza.

In a sinister symmetry, just as it gave a free pass to Israel in Gaza, the Obama administration is giving a free pass to the butchers of Luhansk. And there’s even a diversion. Obama was mulling whether to bomb The Caliph’s Islamic State goons in Iraq, or maybe drop some humanitarian aid. He opted for (perhaps) “limited” bombing and arguably less limited food and water airdrops.'

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 10:00 utc | 95


reminds me of the movie Conspiracy Theory

Where'd you get your subscribers?

I put an ad on a computer bulletin
board. I log on at the library so
I can't be traced.

Well, I've been tracking them down
all morning.

You haven't been bothering them,
have you?

They're dead. Four out of five
anyhow. All in the last 24 hours.
One car accident, two heart
attacks and a stroke.

Jesus... It's my fault. They drew
a black line over me and now I'm
passing it on.
I'm passing it to you, too.

I'll be fine. Let's worry about
Henry Finch. P.O. Box in St.
Louis. He's the last on the list.
I haven't been able to reach him

Maybe you better not try... I
worked so hard to keep quiet.
Like a mouse. I should have

Realized what?

Henry Finch. That they monitor
everything. That it was only a
matter of time. And now four
people are dead.

Liza reaches into her pocket, takes out the newsletter.

Elaborate on 'they,' okay?

There are all kinds of groups, all
kinds of initials. But they're
all part of two warring factions.
One: families that have held
wealth for centuries.
They want one thing. Stability.
Group Two: the boat rockers.
Eisenhower's military industrial
complex. They want instability.
It's a trillion dollar a year
business. When there isn't a hot
war, they make a cold one.

Cold War's over, Jerry.

So now they feed us terrorists.
To create fear. How much do you
think an airport security system
goes for? Then multiply it by
every airport in the country.

And you think Group One is at war
with Group Two.

Posted by: brian | Aug 10 2014 10:10 utc | 96

@sleepy #83

The benefit of the petrodollar and dollar as reserve currency is all of the extra dollars being occupied via international trade. However, if either the petrodollar or the dollar reserve currency status changes (or both), all those extra dollars will come home to the US.

This WILL cause huge problems because those dollars will then be required to be exchanged for something. At best, a severe case of (very) high inflation. At worst, a catastrophic restructuring of the US economy.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 10 2014 11:15 utc | 97

Please share this letter with everyone worldwide, so the people in the world may understand what many Europeans think about the american administration and their poodles with blood at the hands - thank you all.

Posted by: Robert | Aug 10 2014 14:12 utc | 98

Speakin of spectacles

here's one all the way from last week!!

Was ISIS Capture of Mosul Dam a ‘Virtual’ Event load of propagandistic boogeyman bullshit?

Early today we reported, on the basis of reports from other media outlets and a confirmation by Nineveh Governor Atheel Nujaifi, that the Mosul Dam, the largest hydroelectric dam in Iraq, was seized by ISIS from Kurdish forces. The following image appears to have been the basis of the story.

Liz Sly from the Washington Post was the first to suggest the story may not have been true, showing photos taken earlier in the day of Deputy Kurdish Premier Qubad Talabani at a conspicuously unconquered Mosul Dam.


Eventually, someone on Twitter “confessed” to having fabricated the original image, and provided an identical photo, same shadows and same angle, without the guy or the tiny little ISIS flag on top of the dam. Even the cloud passing by and the shadows are the same.

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 10 2014 16:11 utc | 99

Guardian is now reporting (after a multi-hour delay) that Al-Jazeera reported earlier -- that 20-30-40,000 Yazidhi's have "escaped" the mountain top via a route freed up by the Kurdish peshmerga -- of course, Obama is now protecting American lives (avoiding "another Benghazi") in Kurdistan or maybe Baghdad or wherever ... whew, that was quick.

Guardian: 20,000 Iraqis besieged by Isis escape from mountain after US air strikes (the text has the larger number) ... It's some kind of fucking miracle ... or something closer to "Whatever it takes to get the ball rolling" ... This great humanitarian mission doesn't seem to be playing well in Peoria (largely because so many Americans really hate -- take your pick -- Arabs, Muslims, and Iraqis -- or maybe just all foreigners).
I smell a predictable small crisis that was allowed to ferment precisely to be exploited ... preferably without obviously (initially) naming the Kurds ... As we claim Putin has zero cause to provide humanitarian assistance in the Ukraine, which like last week's Gazan humanitarian crisis appears to be the "just deserts" of rebels we don't approve of ... because God favors American foreign policy or something.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 10 2014 16:38 utc | 100

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