Cuba: Obama Promissed Better Relations, Sent USAID For "Regime Change"
Until mid 2012 US AID, the alleged "development organization" known for clandestine work against U.S. enemies, ran a secret Twitter like service in Cuba to "promote democracy", i.e. incite opposition to the government there. It also ran, as the Associated Press now reports ( long version, documents), another undercover program aimed at recruiting Cuban youth as U.S. agents:
An Obama administration program secretly dispatched young Latin Americans to Cuba using the cover of health and civic programs to provoke political change, a clandestine operation that put those foreigners in danger even after a U.S. contractor was hauled away to a Cuban jail.
The U.S. contractor, one Alan Gross, was hauled to jail in Cuba because he secretly distributed U.S. communication devices like satellite phones for U.S. supervised Internet access. He allegedly also worked for US AID.
But the scheme uncovered now is even worse. Poor young Latin American people were hired for very small money to go to Cuba under cover and to find Cuban "activists" who could be recruited for U.S. political purposes. This not only endangered the little trained Latin American agents and those they recruited but it also abused health services and other legitimate needs as a cover:
In one case, the workers formed an HIV-prevention workshop that memos called "the perfect excuse" for the program's political goals - a gambit that could undermine America's efforts to improve health globally.
As in Pakistan, where the CIA abused a polio prevention program to spy on the suspected Osama Bin Laden, the blowback will not only hit "America's efforts" for health projects but also those of everyone else. It will literally hit and possibly kill the persons that do the health work on the ground.
Using an fake HIV project in Cuba also shows the utter stupidity of the wannabe spies at USAID. Cuba is the state with the lowest HIV infection rate in the Caribbean. Its rate is even lower than the rate in Canada and Switzerland and only a third of the HIV rate in the United States. Anyone who starts a HIV prevention service in Cuba rather than in a hundred other countries sticks out like a large red pole in the blue Caribbean sea.
All three secret USAID infiltration attempts in Cuba, the "communication equipment", the "Twitter service" and this "activist recruiting" drive were launched under Obama and then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Both had promised better relations with Cuba and then immediately started secret "regime change" programs which, when becoming public as they did, would undermine all such efforts.
This only shows again why every nation on this world must distrust ANY word that comes out of official Washington. The leaders from African countries who are just now visiting Washington should keep the Cuban example in mind when Obama tries to charm them into U.S. dependency. None of his words can be trusted or be accepted as having any real meaning.
Posted by b on August 4, 2014 at 14:12 UTC | Permalink
I think Dan Mitrione (a CIA torturer who perfected his toruring skills on homeless people and who was officially working for USAID http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione) serves as the perfect example for refusing entry of any individual or organisation affiliated with USAID/NED/... to any given country.
Posted by: che | Aug 4 2014 14:54 utc | 2
And don't forget the latest! USAID funded by Pierre Omidyar et al in Ukraine - Chesno(Honestly) Fuckbook 'movement' was only one of these projects..
Coup-coup, but firmly US policy.
Posted by: L Bean | Aug 4 2014 15:17 utc | 3
Doesnt look all that different
from the tricks USSR used
in aiding and abetting various Communist parties throughout
Europe, and other countries
Posted by: chris m | Aug 4 2014 15:31 utc | 4
NATO is in Colombia and the Latin American Hizbollah las FARC is being reorganized as a political party, las Malvinas are also a NATO base. I expect another regime change to take place sooner rather than later chicos.
Posted by: Fernando | Aug 4 2014 15:49 utc | 5
Wow! That is an EXPLOSIVE report.
Wonder how AP was able or allowed to do the reporting? AP. hum. What is up? Perhaps the news wave now is: expose US crimes and get lots of hits? Am wondering know how far this story is going to go?
Thanx for finding this!!!
Chao
Posted by: Kim Sky | Aug 4 2014 15:55 utc | 6
b,
USAID is used in countries whether they are friends or foes when the CIA can't get enough personnel into diplomatic missions ( Embassies or Consulates).
can't have too many cultural, Agricultural, , education attaché or secretaries when the military attaché's office is filled with genuine or CIA operators. So NOCs working for USAID or some American Foundations/NGOs are used. In countries where Americans would be trespassers, the UK, Canada and Australia do the dirty work unless Israelis with faked western passports are in cahoots with the US ( eg Iran)
Posted by: Yul | Aug 4 2014 16:52 utc | 7
Well if we had rule of law in the U.S. or the global community I would say this sort of dishonest hubris intending to once again usurp an entire nation ought to be illegal.... For now I will just say how I admire both the Cuban Gov't and people for managing to thwart the US monster for so many decades.... would love to know more about how they have managed this.
Posted by: Eureka Springs | Aug 4 2014 17:16 utc | 8
Obama promised LOTS of things. Seems like if he promised something, that's a good indicator he intends to do the exact opposite. Literally. I can't think of one thing that doesn't apply to.
Posted by: Colinjames | Aug 4 2014 17:38 utc | 9
China Boosts Investment in Africa …
Total trade between Africa and China surpassed the $210bn mark in 2013. US trade slumped from $113bn to below $98 bn last year. China has organized five summits with African leaders and were given the full red carpet treatment. Obama, too busy with U.S. Congress, military aggression and failed states, has organized just one in which he himself is not scheduled to meet African leaders.
I have never understood the necessity of a subversion strategy when it comes to Cuba. Either you have faith in the "free" market or you don't. To my mind nothing would topple the PCC faster than normalised relations with the USA and its markets.
Posted by: Northern Observer | Aug 4 2014 18:10 utc | 11
Posted by: Northern Observer | Aug 4, 2014 2:10:06 PM | 11
It is complete stupidity. But you have to be brainwashed to believe there is any "free market".
Free market would mean Cubans leave for the US - as in "free job market". Castro at one stage in the 1980's simply threatened to let his people go.
Posted by: somebody | Aug 4 2014 18:29 utc | 12
Always beware of Yanks bearing/wearing Trojan condoms, pretending they're gifts.
What is unbelievable is US official credibility still exists - how do you tell it's a lie - because the lips were moving.
Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Aug 4 2014 19:10 utc | 13
@chrism - you need to do your research. the communist movements inWestern Europe were homegrown, most existing long before the Russian Revolution.
That's unlike these phony sockpuppet astroturf "movements" of the USA, reliant on little more than suitcases of CIA cash and a few useful idiots. I would think you would know a thing or two about sockpuppets.
Posted by: guest77 | Aug 4 2014 19:35 utc | 14
It's so easy y'all. I've said it before and I'll repeat it again:
"The only time they tell the truth is when it just happens to coincide with their agenda."
Such an simple aphorism to remember and ingrain in your and other's psyche. I tells it like it is and precludes much humming and hawing when trying to determine credibility.
Think if it were well known enough that even the shepple would begin to get it. FOX would be in deep do-do.
Posted by: juannie | Aug 4 2014 19:35 utc | 15
National Security Agency (NSA) and Oppressive Regimes, Like Saudi Arabia
http://www.arabworld360.info/2014/08/nsa-and-oppressive-regimes-like-saudi.html
thanks for catching this b.. it's amazing ap is printing it!
here is a quote from the article "Drawing on documents and interviews worldwide, the AP found the travelers program went to extensive lengths to hide the workers' activities. They were to communicate in code: "I have a headache" meant they suspected they were being monitored by Cuban authorities; "Your sister is ill" was an order to cut their trip short."
i wonder how many westerners are aware of the length the usa goes towards implementing it's 'regime change' program?
Posted by: james | Aug 4 2014 20:23 utc | 17
Still, at least we have the "Arab Spring" as a legitimate, spontaneous insurrection of aspirational Arab democrats... Right?
It's not as though US interests in the region have been enhanced by the murder of Gaddafi, destruction of Syria, a generational consolidation of pro-US military rule in Egypt, and the absolute status quo in Jordan.
Right? Anyone?
Posted by: Pat Bateman | Aug 4 2014 20:51 utc | 18
Getting USAID is like a mob boss kissing you on the lips. It is NOT an act of love.
Posted by: Robert Gorden | Aug 4 2014 23:23 utc | 19
If only the CIA could find a way to get Fidel Castro's brother's beard to fall out! Oh, the public humiliation from the fallout! Cuba would be a Free Country with Free People and a Free Market!
Posted by: Fast Freddy | Aug 4 2014 23:58 utc | 20
Egpytian govt expressing alarm at Libyan anarchy, concerned it could destabilize Egypt, so US interests being helped in that arena should be tabled as uncertain.
Posted by: truthbetold | Aug 5 2014 0:09 utc | 21
It is imperative that we get these sans-cullottes off our shores, along with those negro anti-slavery revolutionists in Haiti! The white race deserves 100% of the profits, otherwise existence being maintained at existence levels. Being bombarded must mean being a real threat status. The shell factories must be maintained though.
Posted by: Jay M | Aug 5 2014 1:00 utc | 22
You think the crap job in Cuba is bad, you should see the awful, terrible things the USAID, NED and State Department, Kennedy school for Retards and all those other useless civil society organizations are doing in Dominican Republic and Haiti. An openly gay ambassador and his husband disrespecting a conservative catholic country pushing the LGBT agenda and the raping of the land with cataclysmic mining operations. The Cubans should thank their culo's Fidel and his brother are somewhat thwarting the USA and the EU from interfering. K asco....
Posted by: Fernando | Aug 5 2014 4:02 utc | 23
Obama should take a page out of Putin's book and hold a referendum vote in Miami for Cuban annexation and when the vote is unanimous, a foregone conclusion, send the troops into Cuba to secure the Island and ensure those pesky Rooskies can meddle no more.
Once accomplished, Obama and crew can fly down to Havana and hold a celebration commemorating the liberation of Cuba from the meddlesome Russians and honor the vindicated noble warriors who fought bravely and valiantly at the failed Bay of Pigs invasion.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 11:12 utc | 24
I don't know which "putins book" you're dreaming of, but in Crimea, the nationality of the people there is 99% Russian and that land was always russian.
Kinda totally not comparable to Cuba, where we have no Americans at all (bare the imported USAID CIA regime-change agents, according to the latest news) and which always was and still is a foreign entity.
but hey, apples, oranges, coconuts... whatever suits your silly narrative.
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 5 2014 12:52 utc | 25
I don't know which "putins book" you're dreaming of, but in Crimea, the nationality of the people there is 99% Russian and that land was always russian.
In Miami the population is majority Cuban and they want to be reunited with their relatives and loved-ones in Cuba, so it's very similar in effect. What's good for the Crimeans is good for the Cubans.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 13:32 utc | 26
@25
"...in Crimea, the nationality of the people there is 99% Russian and that land was always russian..."
Neither of these statements is true. Crimea was conquered by Russia only in the C18th. It was largely inhabited by Crimean Tartars who still constitute a measurable proportion of the population. In 1918 a Tartar Republic was set up, this was, a few months later, replaced by a Bolshevik backed Tartar Soviet, which was short lived. It was replaced by a German backed government headed by a puppet General Sulkevich. This ended in November 1918 and was replaced by a White Russian government which, according to EH Carr "had no pretension to represent the Tartars..".
Crimea was the White General Wrangel's last refuge and, even after his fall in 1920, Tartars continued to defy the Bolsheviks.
In a word the idea that Crimea was always Russian is a fiction beloved of White Great Russian chauvinists. And, if Russia does not set out, as Lenin did, to win the hearts and minds of the Tartars they will prove a fertile ground for US subversion.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 5 2014 14:23 utc | 27
@26
I'm surprised to learn that Miami's population is "majority Cuban". What seems very unlikely is that this population of Cubans is in favour of being annexed by Havana.
Not because such a course would not be beneficial to the people-it most certainly would. In particular Miami's residents would extend their life expectancy significantly, and rid their community of the scandal of high infant mortality rates, if they were to fall under the aegis of the Cuban Health Care system.
They would also benefit from Cuba's social programmes, crime prevention schemes and equal access to high quality education- all sadly lacking in Miami's crime ridden, legendarily corrupt government.
Still, the reality is that the US would try to hang on to Miami for as long as it could, if only because it provides a convenient refuge for its fascist clients, pouring in from the south as the people democratise their societies.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 5 2014 14:33 utc | 28
Neither of these statements is true.
Don't pop the Western White Boy's delusional bubble. It likes Russia because Russia is socially conservative White and presumably anti-Neoliberal. In otherwords, it's a far "Right" White Boy who pines for an Aryan leader like Putin.
Ironically, the Tartars, or non-Whites in this discussion, were slavers once upon a time and actually raided Russia on numerous occasions to capture Russian peasants and sell them into slavery.
Round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows.
I'm surprised to learn that Miami's population is "majority Cuban". What seems very unlikely is that this population of Cubans is in favour of being annexed by Havana.
Well, if ethnic Cubans don't comprise the majority of Miami, they "constitute a measurable proportion of the population" — much more so than the Tartars in Crimea.
In keeping with the Crimea example, it wouldn't be tiny, defenseless Cuba doing the annexing, but rather, like with Russia and Crimea, it would be the big fish swallowing the guppy. Of course, you know that, but good try anyway.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 15:01 utc | 29
@25 and @27
ps bevin - every place is ripe for usa intervention, as that is the usa's 1st class export product.. they don't export much else!!!
not sure how much it has changed since 2001..
crimea - The ethnic makeup of the population is comprised the following self-reported groups (2001 census):
Russians:1,450,000 (58.5%),
Ukrainians: 577,000 (24.0%),
Crimean Tatars: 245,000 (10.2%),
Belarusians: 35,000 (1.4%),
Volga Tatars: 13,500 (0.5%),
Armenians: 10,000 (0.4%),
miami ethnic demographics... cold one - yer a funny guy, especially when you make an ass of yourself!
2010 Census Miami Miami-Dade County
Total population 399,457 2,496,435
White or Caucasian (including White Hispanic) 72.6% 73.8%
(Non-Hispanic White or Caucasian) 11.9% 15.4%
Black or African-American 19.2% 18.9%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 70.0% 65.0%
Asian 1.0% 1.5%
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 15:25 utc | 30
Cold, why dont you just leave us alone? Noone here likes you. Cant you just keep your comments to yourself?
Posted by: Massinissa | Aug 5 2014 15:47 utc | 31
Since it's not been highlighted, this was well after Bin Laden's death was accomplished using the local polio immunization campaign ... more corruption of health care aid programs.
I was surprised last year to find that many people have no knowledge of our corruption of the Peace Corps back in the day, and Monsanto/Green Revolution, not to mention the hand-in-glove relationship between the State Department and the so-called peaceful arms of the Military Industrial Complex, most readily seen in Nuclear Power/General Electric but also in infrastructure development, Enron's attempts to get into the potable water business (create a cartel) in several countries (see also Nuclear desalinization). Tainting "healthcare" outreach, tainting environmental programs, tainting "economic development" (the level of corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan soared with the infusion of blank check American aid). See also the rise of the use of private militias by multinationals, private militias that, not coincidentally, help maintain the status quo in the fight against pesky human right and labor and environmental activists. All those sweatshops economies do not exist and thrive without strong armed thug enforcers.
Decades of funding 'prodemocracy' NGOs in Egypt did show fruit in Arab Spring, even if they were unable to create a competitive alternative to the long-standing not-Mubarak party of the Muslim Brotherhood (which we also fostered as a fig leaf "administration approved" other party, on the basis of their presume anti-communist anti-atheist anti-secularism).
Yes, its remarkable that AP pursued and published this story. It needs wider coverage. "We" have learned nothing ... hearts and minds, faggettaboutit.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 5 2014 16:16 utc | 32
correction: I should note that the despicable use of healthcare workers is highlighted in the article ... and it's also particularly shocking to have compromised any Cuban AIDS outreach programs, given the high-octane problems with Cuba's historical treatment of AIDS patients and homosexuality more generally. AIDS activists have appeared to be louder and angrier than the ex-pat community which has seemed -- I'm in Colorado -- less militant (possibly generational changes and the effects of some loosening of communication and travel restrictions? I don't know).
Still, for all those who consider Chomsky's history lessons "ancient" ... this should be a wakeup call.
O/T the BBC had more coverage of Ukrainian humanitarian crisis this morning and several recent morning. That CSM article from yesterday too.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Aug 5 2014 16:29 utc | 33
miami ethnic demographics... cold one - yer a funny guy, especially when you make an ass of yourself!
Yes sir, I'm hilarious.
Not Just Cubans: Many Latinos Now Call Miami Home
Miami is a majority Latino city -- 70 percent of its population is Hispanic. And while Cuban-Americans still comprise over half of the city's population -- 54 percent -- the city's Hispanic composition is changing. According to a Pew Hispanic report, about 13 percent of Miami-Dade's Latinos are from Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic and Mexico, and 32 percent are from other Central and South American countries such as Guatemala, Colombia, El Salvador, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Honduras and Brazil."Miami has a high share of foreign-born Hispanics compared with many of the other metro areas -- 66 percent of Miami’s Latinos are foreign born,” according to Eileen Patten, a research analyst at the Pew Research Center.
In recent years, says Susan Purcell, director of the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami, political changes as well as a boom in commodities across Latin America resulted in more investment and more migration to Miami.
The ethnic Cuban Americans are looking to grow their numbers just as Putin is looking to grow ethnic Russian numbers — hence his annexation of Crimea — hence the Cuban American annexation of Cuba.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 17:06 utc | 34
@34 - usa annexation of cuba under the guise of 'the kicked out cubans' of miami who want to annex cuba? keep it up cold one! maybe they would like to return cuba to a slave colony too.. they would be the same folks who left cuba to miami, after castro chased them out. the same folks who were happy raping the common folks, along with the us gangsters prior to castros arrival... i like how you spin that.. there is work for you as an american propagandist and you're working hard here!
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 17:13 utc | 35
Posted by: james | Aug 5, 2014 1:13:43 PM | 35
It's satire, James, so of course it's absurd just as the justification of Putin's annexation of Crimea is absurd. That's the point. Sheesh!
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 17:31 utc | 36
Looks like the thread just got hijacked.
I was momentarily inclined to respond to Cold, but if he gets paid for his work I assume there's a bonus for engagement, i.e. how many people respond to his post. I'd hate to help him make a living.
Posted by: Grieved | Aug 5 2014 18:24 utc | 37
cold - just as the junta running things in kiev is absurd! of course.. so many absurd things going on, it is always interesting to see the focus of the msm and those who mouth it closely..
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 18:48 utc | 38
cold - back to the topic.. how about that USAID trying for regime change in cuba in contrast to obama's pretty words? the guy is full of shite - just like you, haha!
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 18:50 utc | 39
cold - back to the topic.. how about that USAID trying for regime change in cuba in contrast to obama's pretty words? the guy is full of shite
I agree, and Castro is full of "shite" for allowing himself to be used as the former Soviet Union's foil for so many years.
cold - just as the junta running things in kiev is absurd!
I agree, just as Putin and his Kremlin stooges running things in Moscow is absurd.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 19:18 utc | 40
well putin was actually elected
the nazis in kiev? not so much
Posted by: Chortle | Aug 5 2014 19:26 utc | 41
cold - the usa made such a big deal out of cuba's independence under castro.. this tells us the usa has never been for another countries independence, or only in so far as it can be an ongoing slave to corporate america's purposes..
@41 - chortle.. these types of details are lost on the cold one..
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 19:49 utc | 42
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5, 2014 3:18:20 PM | 40
hard to know if this is satire or if the creature really believes this shite
Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2014 22:20 utc | 43
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5, 2014 9:32:14 AM | 26
No
Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2014 22:21 utc | 44
cold - the usa made such a big deal out of cuba's independence under castro.. this tells us the usa has never been for another countries independence, or only in so far as it can be an ongoing slave to corporate america's purposes..
I don't agree it "has never been for another countries independence" but I agree it showed it certainly wasn't for Cuba's independence.
@41 - chortle.. these types of details are lost on the cold one..
Rigged elections and circumventing term limits does not equal "actually elected." Take Poroshenko, for example. He won't be in office in six years — maybe not even in four years. Mikheil Saakashvili was out after two terms. Not Putin, though. He's dictator for life under the guise of "elected."
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 22:21 utc | 45
is it just me or has Cold and hole in the head upped his posts?
the lad from Langley must be under some serious pressure!
Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2014 22:22 utc | 46
james @30
The current levels of Tartars in Crimea is artificially low. They were expelled in large numbers during the war. Until then they were a much higher proportion of the population.
Does that put you in mind of other countries?
The Tartars have legitimate claims which any sensible Russian government will entertain.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 5 2014 22:39 utc | 47
It does seem like that little arsehole has made himself a comfy home at MoA.
I'm also not sure why Gaza is slipping done the list of interest here. Yes, we know the CIA have a hand in everything, but Gaza and Ukraine are the issues that should be getting hammered.
I am underwhelmed with b's posts of late. (spare me the it's his blog shite).
Bernhard, if you really can't keep up - let someone else in (and stop banning people who are smarter than you).
If you want to read a topical post on Gaza and the causes - read this from Elaine Supkis:
And why that little hasbara troll Cold Hole gets unfettered access with nary a threat from b warrants some serious thought. The meme of "his plan" that he is trying to push here is genocide.
Why has he not been banned, Bernhard?
If we want to read the genocidal jewish view - we can always go to JPost.
A Jewish right to a Jewish land Jerusalem Post - 14 hours agoLet's face the truth. The only reason we are in Israel is because it belongs to us and we belong to it. Hanging torah scrolls Photo:
Posted by: DM | Aug 5 2014 22:45 utc | 48
@45 cold.. elections in the usa are a very sick joke..
what does it matter elections when western leadership is permanently beholden to the same wall st/military industrial complex while the common people are an afterthought, if that? do you think you're going to change this voting?
notice the approval rating of western leaders verses putin.. i suppose you think the msm / obama lies being fed to you is qualitatively better? read b's post again and note obama was supposedly for a positive change in cuba.. instead we witness this USAID crap.. obama is a first rate liar who comes from a long line of first rate liars. wake up!
@47 bevin.. yes, that does put me in mind of other countries.. how far do you want to back up the history? it sounded as though you were talking in the present as i read you earlier.
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 23:18 utc | 49
castro quote from today via the saker "Castro on Israel: I think that a new and disgusting form of fascism is emerging with considerable force at this moment in human history"
does anyone in their right mind think obama would ever say anything as straight forward as that? no, becuase obama is helping it along with his stupid peace prize bullshite first rate hypocrisy..
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 23:25 utc | 50
@45 cold.. elections in the usa are a very sick joke..
I agree, although I don't know about the "sick" part.
notice the approval rating of western leaders verses putin..
Approval ratings are also a joke, good or bad.
obama is a first rate liar who comes from a long line of first rate liars. wake up!
I'm awake, and I know he's a liar, just as I know Putin's a liar from a long line of first rate liars.
But Strelkov, well, there's an honest man if ever there was one.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5 2014 23:37 utc | 51
stelkov has integrity, unlike yourself who continue to disrupt the thread on obama's cuban relations..
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 23:48 utc | 52
cold, while you are at it, try to write a post that highlights putin's words or acts as 'b' has done here with obama's.. it is the reason folks read b's post and will continue to ignore yours! there is not any integrity to a person who accuses another of lying, but has no means of backing it up.. unfortunately this is a regular habit in the western media and you are clearly a product of the same media.. all of it is completely lacking integrity and most are quite capable of seeing thru it and you as well..
Posted by: james | Aug 5 2014 23:54 utc | 53
It is good to synopsize assholefield's stance periodically.
Every column or post he composes relatable to the subjects which concern us, whether satirical or not, are meant to bolster
his belief that although the American hegemon occasionally transgresses, maintaining hegemonic unipolarity is mandatory until such time as the non-American rivals of such meet or surpass American standards of morality and economic justice, flawed as the latter are he will deign to concede.
If your comments infer otherwise, and you have American citizenship, the troll has let his guard down often enough to call you a traitor, and there is nothing satirical about his terminology in those instances.
Holefield is a not so reluctant imperialist long before any push comes to any shove.
Posted by: truthbetold | Aug 6 2014 0:00 utc | 54
[4th attempt for this post - I will break it into tiny bits to see what word is verboten]
(1st bit)
It does seem like that little arsehole has made himself a comfy home at MoA.
I'm also not sure why Gaza is slipping done the list of interest here. Yes, we know the CIA have a hand in everything, but Gaza and Ukraine are the issues that should be getting hammered.
I am underwhelmed with b's posts of late. (spare me the it's his blog shite).
Bernhard, if you really can't keep up - let someone else in (and stop banning people who are smarter than you).
If you want to read a topical post on Gaza and the causes - read this from Elaine Supkis:
Posted by: DM | Aug 6 2014 0:07 utc | 55
(2nd bit)
If you want to read a topical post on Gaza and the causes - read this from Elaine Supkis:
And why that little hasbara troll Cold Hole gets unfettered access with nary a threat from b warrants some serious thought. The meme of "his plan" that he is trying to push here is genocide.
Why has he not been banned, Bernhard?
If we want to read the genocidal jewish view - we can always go to JPost.
A Jewish right to a Jewish land Jerusalem Post - 14 hours agoLet's face the truth. The only reason we are in Israel is because it belongs to us and we belong to it. Hanging torah scrolls Photo:
Posted by: DM | Aug 6 2014 0:26 utc | 56
(4th bit)
Seems that no matter what - a link to emsnews _at_ wordpress _dot_ com is not going to work here.
Please read her latest post :-
nyt wonders why us diplomacy has no power over Netanyahu who controls congress via aipac
Posted by: DM | Aug 6 2014 0:37 utc | 58
@26 "Obama should take a page out of Putin's book and hold a referendum vote in Miami for Cuban annexation and when the vote is unanimous, a foregone conclusion, send the troops into Cuba to secure the Island and ensure those pesky Rooskies can meddle no more."
An odd argument indeed. I don't think that Cuba would WANT to annex Miami, even if all the exiles in Miami did vote in favour of the incorporation of that city into the Republic of Cuba.
Oh, wait, sorry... you are suggesting that this is would be a valid vote for Cuba to be annexed **by** the USA!!!!!
How is that in any way "a page from Putin's book"? When did Putin hold a vote of the people of Moscow regarding What Is To Be Done With The Crimea?
The vote - you know, in the real world, not your make-believe world) was by all the people **in** Crimea voting on the future **of** Crimea, and that vote was overwhelmingly in favour of asking to join the Russian Federation. Which Putin then agreed to.
YOUR pitiful comparison would therefore require all the exiles in Miami to go back to Cuba and, once back in Cuba, to vote with all the other Cubans regarding the future of Cuba.
In which case, heck, yeah, if the people of Cuba (stay-at-homes and returned-exiles alike) voted 95-to-5 in favour of joining the Union then, sure, why not....
Or, conversely, if the people of Miami (old-age-pensioners and exiled-Cuban-criminals alike) voted 95-to-5 in favour of leaving the Union and joining with Cuba then, heck, whatever...
Mind you, in the latter circumstance I think the Cuban government would be perfectly entitled to say "I'm flattered, of course, but no thanks, who needs all this white trash".
Posted by: Johnboy | Aug 6 2014 3:38 utc | 59
"In a word the idea that Crimea was always Russian is a fiction beloved of White Great Russian chauvinists. And, if Russia does not set out, as Lenin did, to win the hearts and minds of the Tartars they will prove a fertile ground for US subversion.
Posted by: bevin | Aug 5, 2014 10:23:04 AM | 27"
Bullshit. Tatars are just those "natives" who became moslems during the invasion of the Ottoman Empire and later defined themselves as a folk. A historically recent artificial creation, just like say the bosnian moslems or the ukrainian catholics.
They are also Mongols, just like a big part of Russians is of Mongolian origin, only lacking the "muslim" detail.
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 10:07 utc | 61
@ Susan Sunflower: "Since it's not been highlighted, this was well after Bin Laden's death was accomplished using the local polio immunization campaign ... more corruption of health care aid programs. "
What sort of nonsense are you talking about? Bin Laden died in a hospital in 2001 due to a kidney failure.
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 10:10 utc | 62
@ cold: "The ethnic Cuban Americans are looking to grow their numbers just as Putin is looking to grow ethnic Russian numbers — hence his annexation of Crimea — hence the Cuban American annexation of Cuba."
Dude... noone "annexed" Crimea, they had a referendum which was watched by many international (mostly EU) observers, who confirmed it was absolutely clean.
That aside, according to the "logic" you're selling, it is Cuba that would have to annex Florida, not the other way around.
By the way, I didn't realize that Miami == Florida. Duhh?
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 10:13 utc | 63
"I agree, just as Putin and his Kremlin stooges running things in Moscow is absurd.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Aug 5, 2014 3:18:20 PM | 40"
How is it absurd that a regularly elected president and parliament are running things?
Do we see anything like that in the ukrainian coup-fascist puppet government that is killing its own people right now and calling for even bigger genocide, while restoring WW2 nazi butchers as "national heros"? No.
But of course, an idiot like you will completely fail to see any difference and keep comparing apples and oranges or rather apples and airplanes.
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 10:17 utc | 64
"Please read her latest post :-
nyt wonders why us diplomacy has no power over Netanyahu who controls congress via aipac
Posted by: DM | Aug 5, 2014 8:37:40 PM | 57"
1. US knows no such thing as "diplomacy" since at least the WW2
2. Netanyahu is controlled by the British Empire, just like USA is (via banking and "clubs" like Skull&Bones etc.)
3. AIPAC is just another freemasonic club of the Empire and only one of many outlets
(4. banning people like Cold would only produce more trolling under multiple names, no gain there)
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 10:23 utc | 65
... and by the way cold, we old Yugoslavs would like to have Kosovo, Bosnia, Croatia etc. back. Because as you suggest, it is not legal nor possible for any nationality to leave a state where they don't feel at home and make an own one.
And Kosovo etc. never even had anything like a referendum. But hey, that's fine with your bosses - they're "your guys" after all...
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 10:28 utc | 66
2. Netanyahu is controlled by the British Empire, just like USA is (via banking and "clubs" like Skull&Bones etc.)
3. AIPAC is just another freemasonic club of the Empire and only one of many outlets
This sort of bullet point bullshit about freemasons and the British Crown just adds obfuscation to a very simple scam. You might as well go fuck yourself if that’s all you have to offer. Did you read the article? Have you seen to utube videos of zeig heil mein führer in the US Congress?
Israel and the Jewish lobby have the US Congress and executive by the balls. They bribe these useless cunts with kickbacks from money extorted from US taxpayers.
Oh, and that little troll has been openly calling for genocide of the Palestinians. One less little hasbara cunt is a gain in my book.
Posted by: DM | Aug 6 2014 10:53 utc | 67
I posted the excerpt from his interview in Israeli paper where he stated it himself that he is a freemason. As were all his predecessors, as the flag of Israel tells you, as the many masonic monuments in Israel tell you. No need to discuss that at all, it's well documented black on white.
Israel is a british smokescreen created in the 20th century, just like "Palestine". Also well documented, at least for people who bother reading history and doing sound research. And it's past its usefulness and will be destroyed if the Empire has its way.
A genocide of Palestinians is not possible, since the Palestinians/Philistines ceased to exist many centuries ago. The people you're referring to are Syrians (arabic, jewish, druze etc.) and half of them are Arabs imported less than a century ago.
But it's not like any serious discussion is possible with disinfo trolls like you, so I won't bother.
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 11:13 utc | 68
Oh and it's not the "british" crown, but the Commonwealth of Nations crown, or if you so wish, the current incarnation of the western roman empire.
Posted by: T2015 | Aug 6 2014 11:16 utc | 69
T2015 - Oh, another hasbara fuckwit.
Good job Bernhard, you've really done a great job of fucking-up the Whiskey Bar!
Posted by: DM | Aug 6 2014 12:36 utc | 70
Oh nice - so it is hasbara when I call the Israeli mafia-regime criminals? Or when I say that Hamas is a british toy?
You are simply nuts. And obviously you are defending and trying to hide the role of the empire, which tells me all I need to know about you.
It is stuff that you can find out in every semi-decent library, but stuff like "truth" was never of interest to trolls and agitators. So nevermind, call me when Haunebus from the south pole come to get us all. Anmd say hello to the reptilian shapeshifters and archangels or whatever nonsense you believe in.
Posted by: T2010 | Aug 8 2014 9:49 utc | 72
Banning my nick also tells us a lot about this site... interesting. Who do you work for, mr. admin?
Posted by: T2010 | Aug 8 2014 9:50 utc | 73
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of course, the politicians whom people elect to leadership are the ones destroying US credibility....how sad
Posted by: brian | Aug 4 2014 14:27 utc | 1