MoA - What Does Netanyahoo Want?

July 09, 2014

What Does Netanyahoo Want?

After Kerry's fake peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians predictably failed, the Palestinians decided to form a unity government. Hamas and the PLO under Abbas would create a common technocrat government to have more legitimacy for their next efforts in the international realm for the Palestinians' rights. Israel decided to try everything to destroy that effort.

Then three Israeli colonists were kidnapped and killed by some rogue Palestinian clan and under quite murky circumstances. Netanyahoo, despite knowing that the three were dead and who was responsible for it, used the frenzy "search" for the three to dismantle Hamas in the West Bank. He also attacked Hamas in the Gaza strip. The retaliation and escalation then went like clockwork just as Netanyaoo had expected.

A large scale occupation operation against the people of Gaza is now again on the horizon. Such could easily escalate further into a third intifada.

One wonder what Netanyahoo hopes to, in the end, win by this. He can not dismantle Hamas or kill the efforts for the Palestinians' rights. People on both sides, the Palestinians much more though, will suffer. This all will only increases the push to further delegitimize Israel and its occupation.

Posted by b on July 9, 2014 at 17:51 UTC | Permalink

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Why ABC Thought Suffering Palestinians Were Israelis

http://www.fair.org/blog/2014/07/10/why-abc-thought-suffering-palestinians-were-israelis/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-abc-thought-suffering-palestinians-were-israelis

in the absence of dead Israelis, they needed some way to generate sympathy

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2014 21:39 utc | 101

still absolutely no sign alqaeda will recurit jihadis to aid the palestinians

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2014 21:40 utc | 102

Brian @ 102

You are probably right about Al-Qaeda but the Islamic State has a large and growing, well trained and equipped, force who's ultimate destination is Jerusalem. The recent developments in Erbil may mean the Peshmerga could be joining the Jihad to liberate Palestine.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 10 2014 22:04 utc | 103

103

Oh FFS

grow up

The f'n "jihad to liberate Palestine" is a mere figment of your own personal gullibility

There really are some truly moronic people out there

Posted by: lol | Jul 10 2014 22:24 utc | 104

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 10, 2014 6:04:26 PM | 103

utter rubbish..while jihadis are to be found to pour into Libya, the Magreb, syria etc..NONE have been sent to israel

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2014 22:58 utc | 105

@Oui #100:

Whatever the stats may be, the fact remains that the project of creating a thing called the Ukrainian people began with the occupation by the Polish Empire of western Russia. See the Saker's Ukrainian nationalism - its roots and nature. (The Saker's Russian Orthodoxy strikes me as fairly retrograde, but I trust him to get the history right here.)

As for that news article you link to, it is full of incredible, unverifiable accusations against the anti-junta resistance, so in the future, I suggest you find a less biased source.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 10 2014 23:06 utc | 106

@Oui #100:

Also, if Roman Catholicism is insignificant in the former Ukraine, as you claim, why did Yatsenyuk visit the Vatican in April, especially given that he is a Scientologist?

Posted by: Demian | Jul 10 2014 23:23 utc | 107

Abbas after being rejected rep[eatedly by Israel,recognized his error and formed a unity govt.The israelis,outraged,began finding made up pretexts to demonize Hamas,and the alleged kidnapping fit the bill perfectly.Open season on Hamas begins.Divide and conquer rears its ugly Zionist head again.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2014 23:51 utc | 108

And people who actually believe in God don't lie,murder and steal.Those in history who have used religion as a cudgel obviously weren't religious at all,and no one religion has a track record WO many blemishes by alleged adherents.Kind of simple,right?

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2014 23:55 utc | 109

'And people who actually believe in God don't lie,murder and steal.Those in history who have used religion as a cudgel obviously weren't religious at all,and no one religion has a track record WO many blemishes by alleged adherents.Kind of simple,right?

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10, 2014 7:55:36 PM | 109

more nonsense... the sunnis who go in their thousands to Syria to wage jihad either to set up a caliphate or to attack the syrian govt because the media said Assad was killing muslims are true believers.
Its time islam abandoned its punitive jihad concept...its easy to abuse by getting believers to believe its good to go and attack an alleged 'tyrant'

Posted by: brian | Jul 11 2014 1:17 utc | 110

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10, 2014 7:55:36 PM | 109

then there are the christians:

'Theophilus, the archbishop who destroyed the last of Alexandria’s great Library, was succeeded in 412 by his nephew, Cyril, who continued his uncle’s tradition of hostilities toward other faiths. (One of his first actions was to close and plunder the churches belonging to the Novatian Christian sect.)

With Cyril the head of the main religious body of the city and Orestes in charge of the civil government, a fight began over who controlled Alexandria. Orestes was a Christian, but he did not want to cede power to the church. The struggle for power reached its peak following a massacre of Christians by Jewish extremists, when Cyril led a crowd that expelled all Jews from the city and looted their homes and temples. Orestes protested to the Roman government in Constantinople. When Orestes refused Cyril’s attempts at reconciliation, Cyril’s monks tried unsuccessfully to assassinate him.

Hypatia, however, was an easier target. She was a pagan who publicly spoke about a non-Christian philosophy, Neoplatonism, and she was less likely to be protected by guards than the now-prepared Orestes. A rumor spread that she was preventing Orestes and Cyril from settling their differences. From there, Peter the Lector and his mob took action and Hypatia met her tragic end.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/womens-history/hypatia-ancient-alexandrias-great-female-scholar-10942888/?page=2

Posted by: brian | Jul 11 2014 3:34 utc | 111

@brian #111:

Thanks for the early church history. I didn't know about that. It's interesting that the Jews massacred the Christians by the way, while the Christians just expelled the Jews. Just sayin'.

On a side note, after I started following Russian media and blogs more closely since the Ukraine crisis started, I must say I was appalled to see, more than once, Russian writers refer to Protestants as "heretics". (I don't mind if they refer to Roman Catholics that way, as a kind of joke.) My understanding of Christianity is that a person is a Christian so long as he affirms the Nicene Creed; Russian Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and mainline Protestants all do that. So calling Protestants "heretics" is pretty silly.

As far as I can tell, the difference between the version of the Creed that the Orthodox accept and those used by Catholics and Protestants revolves around the Filioque, i.e, whether the phrase "and the Son" is included. Again, to call someone heretical based on disagreement over that phrase is silly, especially since all three main branches of Christianity agree that the Trinity is a fairly mystical concept.

To prevent misunderstanding, as I have said before, I am not a believer myself; I just think that Christianity is a very nice religion, as far as religions go.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 11 2014 5:19 utc | 112

"the Jihad to liberate Palestine"

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 10, 2014 6:04:26 PM | 103

Man, how I love the guys who never ever even touched a simplest history book...

There never was a Palestine, that used to be southern Syria. And also Muslims can't "liberate" anything there, since they've decimated the original christians and other minorities there and about half the "Palestinians" are settlers from the last century under british rule.

So whom do you want to liberate there? The original population does not exist in any shape or form, current residents are almost all "occupiers" on both sides, bare the few % of "real" Palestinians left.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 6:03 utc | 113

@ Demian: Saker has his heart in the right place, but he is a bit... let's call it naive and hyperactive. And his infos are often lacking, he doesn't even know what "reserach" means.

It all began with the northern crusades, it wasn't just Poland. Here's a good start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

"The official starting point for the Northern Crusades was Pope Celestine III's call in 1193[citation needed]; but the Christian kingdoms of Scandinavia and the Holy Roman Empire had begun moving to subjugate their pagan neighbors even earlier. The non-Christian people who were objects of the campaigns at various dates included:

the Polabian Wends, Sorbs, and Obotrites between the Elbe and Oder rivers (by the Saxons, Danes, and Poles, beginning with the Wendish Crusade in 1147)
the peoples of (present-day) Finland in 1154 (Finland Proper; disputed), 1249? (Tavastia) and 1293 (Karelia) (Swedish Crusades, although Christianization had started earlier),
Livonians, Latgallians, Selonians, and Estonians (by the Germans and Danes, 1193–1227),
Semigallians and Curonians (1219–1290),
Old Prussians,
Lithuanians and Samogitians (by the Germans, unsuccessfully, 1236–1316).

Northern countries during the 13th and early 14th centuries
Norway
Sweden 1330s–1350s
Denmark
Conquered by Denmark in 1219
Livonia before 1343
Armed conflict between the Baltic Finns, Balts and Slavs who dwelt by the Baltic shores and their Saxon and Danish neighbors to the north and south had been common for several centuries before the crusade. The previous battles had largely been caused by attempts to destroy castles and sea trade routes and gain economic advantage in the region, and the crusade basically continued this pattern of conflict, albeit now inspired and prescribed by the Pope and undertaken by Papal knights and armed monks."

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 6:07 utc | 114

And I'll give a cookie to anyone who even heard about northern crusades at school, let alone learned anything in-depth about those... (historians don't count of course).

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 6:09 utc | 115

"more nonsense... the sunnis who go in their thousands to Syria to wage jihad either to set up a caliphate or to attack the syrian govt because the media said Assad was killing muslims are true believers.
Its time islam abandoned its punitive jihad concept...its easy to abuse by getting believers to believe its good to go and attack an alleged 'tyrant'"

Posted by: brian | Jul 10, 2014 9:17:29 PM | 110

The nonsense is completely on your side man...

Killing another muslim is a mortal sin. Thus those in Syria are all going to burn in hell according to sunni islam. That's why they're called "takfiri" by other moslems - that means "a moslem who calls other moslems heretics", but is an apostate himself.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 6:16 utc | 116

@T2015 #114:

I am confused by the quote you give from that Wikipedia article, since it says that the Northern Crusades began in 1193, whereas Kievan Rus' (Russia, before Moscow became its main city) became Christian in the 980s. What you quote, however, discusses only the Christianization of pagans.

Ah, upon looking at the article you link to, I see it says:

Swedish and German Catholic campaigns against Russian Eastern Orthodox Christians are also sometimes considered part of the Northern Crusades

Note that it says "sometimes considered". I personally don't think it makes sense to speak of one Christian sect trying to forcibly convert another one as a "crusade". Rather, what these Swedes and Germans did was the usual Catholic genocide of Eastern Orthodox. But we can't hold contemporary Swedes and Germans responsible for that, since those peoples had the sense to become part of the Protestant Reformation. (Very regrettably, after virtually all German speaking lands became Lutheran, Rome launched the Counter-Reformation, forcibly converting many Germans back to Catholicism. So Germans are victims of Rome, just as Russians are. A Catholic German is analogous to a Ukrainian. Germans are Lutheran, unless they have been forcibly converted back to Catholicism; Slavs are Orthodox, unless they have been forcibly converted by Rome.)

Posted by: Demian | Jul 11 2014 6:42 utc | 117

100 dead palestinians
0 dead jews
Gaza healthcare services on brink of collapse as death toll climbs
http://rt.com/news/171916-israel-gaza-death-strikes/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 7:39 utc | 118

@brian - #111
Thanks, Hypatia could be an inspiring figure in today's opheaval caused by religious and ethnic strife.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 11 2014 7:40 utc | 119

@Demian -#99

"To this day, Catholics obviously have no compunction about killing non-Catholics, as one sees on a daily basis in the former Ukraine. I have heard no pleas from the current Pope for the Uko-Nazis to stop the genocide. This is business as usual for Catholics."

From Saker's article, there exists extreme hostility between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church. Under Soviet rule, from 1946 to 1989, the Eastern-rite Ukrainian Catholic Church was outlawed.

Eastern Orthodoxy has been split by schisms throughout history along ethnic and language lines. The hierarchy and structure is not centralized as is Rome for global Catholicism. The pope has no clout in the Ukraine.

Ukrainian Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk and pope Francis on numerous occasions have called for the bloodshed to stop.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 11 2014 7:41 utc | 120

@ Demian, those are details, but in essence I would call it "the fight between the western and eastern roman empire", or rather of the respective successors.

Kievan Rus was basically the (partly) successor of the eastern roman empire, together with Greece and former kingdom of Serbia. A full reconciliation between the Orthodox churches hasn't happened yet to my knowing, though the individual fractions do not view each other as enemies (the fake Ukrainian "Orthodoxy" aside, that's a Vatican decoy).

Actually there is an easier way to see who is who - just look at the coat of arms and flags. The western Empire has a single-headed Phoenix ("Eagle"), while the eastern has a double-headed one from Constantine's times. Russia and Serbia have the eastern one for example:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Coat_of_arms_of_Russia_%28Alternative%29.png/504px-Coat_of_arms_of_Russia_%28Alternative%29.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Coat_of_arms_of_Serbia_small.svg/390px-Coat_of_arms_of_Serbia_small.svg.png

The Serbian is based on the byzantine house of lascaris, see here: http://www.new-byzantium.org/NewBztm.CUB.htm

The old byzantine eagle:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Byzantine_Eagle.svg/200px-Byzantine_Eagle.svg.png

It was used elsewhere and is actually older, here's for the history freaks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 8:10 utc | 121

About germans: Luther is historically quite a recent thing, catholicism is older. Germans used to be pagans, you know the nordic gods of the Vikings. Although what we know as Germany used to be slavic for the most part before it was invaded from the north, it was the land of White Serbs before. Not directly related to Yugoslavian Serbs, but a kindred folk.

There are still statues of Svarog to be found on the german insel Rügen (derived from Rujan, red in old slavic) and there are some 50000 "Sorbs" still living in eastern Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 8:14 utc | 122

@Oui #120:

Under Soviet rule, from 1946 to 1989, the Eastern-rite Ukrainian Catholic Church was outlawed.

Are you suggesting that there is some valid reason to make it legal? The only purpose in creating such a church was obviously that the Poles had trouble converting Russians in the lands they occupied to Catholicism, so they let the Orthodox Russians there keep their liturgy, just as long as they pledged allegiance to the Pope. This has nothing to do with freedom of religion; it is just the use of brute force exerted by an empire.

The pope has no clout in the Ukraine.

If that were true, Yatsenyuk visiting the Vatican in April would make no sense. He did that after the Odessa Massacre, which was a clear replay of Khatyn. The only interpretation of Pope Francis receiving Yatsenyuk after it had become completely clear that the regime that Yatsenyuk headed is fascist and that it had begun a campaign of the usual fascist suppression of all dissenters is that Pope Francis gave Yatsenyuk a green light to continue will all speed the genocide of Russians. I gave Francis the benefit of the doubt when it came to allegations of collaboration with the fascist Argentine government, but his support of the Kiev junta shows that I was totally naive about that.

On a personal note, I have personal experience with schisms in the Orthodox church. The church my family went to when I was a boy got taken over by anti-communist fanatics, when the national church that it belonged to made a move to create the American Orthodox Church. The reactionaries who executed a coup in the church administration did so because the process involved being recognized by the Moscow Patriarchate. The matter was taken to court, and fortunately, the sane side won. Anyway, what that showed is that also among Russian Americans, the same hatred of the continuity of Russian civilization exists as we see now among Ukrainian nationalists.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 11 2014 8:27 utc | 123

Francis is a jesuit, for god's sake... they're worshipping the black sun (see their logo).

Some century ago people fled and hid their kids when a jesuit entered the village. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 9:01 utc | 124

It seems like no one cares about palestinians today, this the result of pro-israeli brainwashing in the media I guess.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 9:05 utc | 125

"The founding members of the Society of Jesus took a vow of poverty, chastity and obedience under Ignatius. Current Jesuits take the same three vows today, along with a vow of obedience to the Pope."

First, a real Christian will remember the words of Jesus: "But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.…"

"James 5:12
Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear--not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple "Yes" or "No." Otherwise you will be condemned."

Christianity has nothing to do with any sort of obedience (except to god's laws), let alone to some "pope" who never was planned in any version of original Christianity (quite the opposite actually, "But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.…" etc.).

So besides the Vatican being a bunch of satanists from the original christian POV, Jesuits are even one step further and even less related to true Christianity. They're the Gestapo of Vatican.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 9:12 utc | 126

"It seems like no one cares about palestinians today, this the result of pro-israeli brainwashing in the media I guess.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11, 2014 5:05:34 AM | 125"

We do care about Palestinians AND the Israelis, who are both victims of the british imperial politics right now. Blame the empire, which controlls both Hamas and the Israeli british-bred "elites".

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 9:14 utc | 127

T2015

Blaming UK when Israel murdering palestinians?

Why would we care about the occupier?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 9:27 utc | 128

"Israel murdering palestinians" is just the same level of false propaganda as what the opposite side sells. They're both victims and as said, it is the masonic british-controlled gang killing palestinians there. It is the british agents who started shooting rockets towards Israel, well knowing that they will answer with bombs.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 9:39 utc | 129

And again, "occupier" is bullshit, if you want to set it right, give that land back to Syria.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 9:39 utc | 130

T2015

If you cannot accept that palestine is occupied or that palestinians are getting murdered you really are a moron.

People like you pose yourself as leftists but are the most stupid and useful idiots Israel love.

Keep talking bs and prove what I am saying about you!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 9:45 utc | 131

Israeli british-bred "elites".

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11, 2014 5:14:28 AM | 127

Ok, looks like we have a new contender for the title of 'MOA Village idiot'

Do pls name some of these 'Israeli british-bred "elites".' currently being 'controlled' by the '[British] Empire'

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 10:32 utc | 132

@ anon 131: again, it is actually not Palestine but Syria. As for occupation and murder, Who said anything else? But the land is occupied by the british empire and they're the murderers. Netanyahu and co. are all freemasons subservient to the queen.

It is all about BP: http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/the-usa-will-never-recover-summer.html#!/2014/07/natural-gas-and-fictitious-rockets.html

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 10:51 utc | 133

This too: http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.de/2014/07/finals-israel-or-hamas-isis.html#!/2014/07/finals-israel-or-hamas-isis.html

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 10:54 utc | 134

Oh and anon: calling me a leftist is a serious insult in my book. I hate leftists as much as I hate nazis.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 10:55 utc | 135

Obviously you're also confusing the british empire with UK - that's not the same thing.

Here's an excerpt from the canadian constitution, which immediately shows you that it's still a british colony and the Queen is the supreme ruler:

"(1) The enacting clause was repealed by the Statute Law Revision Act, 1893, 56-57 Vict., c. 14 (U.K.). It read as follows:

Be it therefore enacted and declared by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same, as follows:

(2) As amended by the Constitution Act, 1982, which came into force on April 17, 1982. The section originally read as follows:

1. This Act may be cited as The British North America Act, 1867.

(3) Section 2, repealed by the Statute Law Revision Act, 1893, 56-57 Vict., c. 14 (U.K.), read as follows:

2. The Provisions of this Act referring to Her Majesty the Queen extend also to the Heirs and Successors of Her Majesty, Kings and Queens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

(4) The first day of July, 1867, was fixed by proclamation dated May 22, 1867."

Same goes for AUS, NZ, the whole Commonwealth. And pretty much the whole "western" financial system is controlled by the City of London (Square Mile).

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:04 utc | 136

Source: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-18.html#docCont

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:05 utc | 137

Over 1500 palestinian kids murdered since yr 2000
http://rt.com/news/1500-palestinian-children-dead-629/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 11:06 utc | 138

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_New_Zealand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_in_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations

And on and on... it's all there black on white.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:10 utc | 139

Over 50000 Afghan and Pakistani kids killed since 9/11? How about Yugoslav kids bombed by the USA? How about 200+ dead kids in Ukraine just in the last few weeks? WHERE ARE YOU PROTESTING THAT, you propaganda tool?

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:13 utc | 140

It appears T2015's explanation for the Israeli barbarism is 'the British made us(them) do it'. Funny how that describes Israel's standard response 'they made us do it'. Sort of how a woman wearing a short skirt makes the rapist do his vile deeds.

crone @5

The link you gave to a photograph of one of the 3 murdered Israeli settlers in IDF uniform is broken. The image has gone (surprise).

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 11 2014 11:14 utc | 141

Yonatan: what sort of bullshit comparisons are you using? You do know the meaning of the word fallacy? I wasn't comparing anyone to any rapists nor talking of any skirts, I'm talking about BP interests in Mediterranean and the masonic satanist clique that rules Israel, which are both not representing "jews" but working for british interests. Feel free to refute anything posted in the links above, give me hard facts and I'll seriously look at them.

Noone said anything of "us" and "them", which would be nonsense since I'm neither jew nor palestinian arab nor anyhow affiliated to any of the two.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:31 utc | 142

And Yonatan, I'm wait for your strong protest and boycott of everything and anything american. since, you know, you're soooo much against warmongers and killers...

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:32 utc | 143

T2015

Are you retarded? Of course I going to post about the murdered palestinian kids you deny, this thread IS ABOUT Israel/Palestine!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 11:39 utc | 144

So when asked to name a few of these 'Israeli british-bred "elites" that the Village idiot T2015 claims exist, T2015 the complete and utter knobhead, cannot name any. Instead what the village idiot T2015 does is to bluster and then attempt to bore us to death with his usual obfuscatory link-spamming

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11, 2014 7:13:31 AM | 140

and THAT is how one knows that T2015 is nothing but a shit-head Zio-Spam-bot

It's the usual Zionist shite of "Oh look someone over there is killing someone therefore I am going to imply that it is downright anti-semitic to mention that Israel is slaughtering Palestinians at the moment, as a distraction from the fact that once again the vampires of Zion are murdering Palestinians""

Just F off you Zionist shitbag

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 11:39 utc | 145

Are you retarded? Of course I going to post about the murdered palestinian kids you deny, this thread IS ABOUT Israel/Palestine!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11, 2014 7:39:26 AM | 144

Are YOU reatarded? I confirmed the murdering about thrice above, except that I'm calling the real names instead of troll food served by the media.

I am though very much interested in knowing how "palestinean" kids are any more important than russian, yugoslav or even israeli kids? Maybe you can enlighten me?

When was the last time you boycotted Turkey, which openly recruits ISIS jihadis in the middle of Istanbul AS OF NOW?
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/extremisten-von-is-isis-rekrutieren-in-istanbul-dschihadisten-a-980122.html

Please explain how the masonic criminal gang in Israel is any worse than "ISIS", FUKUS, Turkey, Pakistan etc.?

And on a side note, calling people idiots etc. is surely not helping your (very lacking) argument at all, quite the opposite.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:46 utc | 146

And to the tool above, whenever you call me (an ethinic russian and christian by the way) a "zionist", I'll call you a nazi. With the difference that in your case, the attribute is true.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 11:49 utc | 147

So, Mr Village idiot - I see you are still refusing to name any of these alleged 'Israeli british-bred "elites" you were shouting about a few posts back

What a silly little very transparent ZioNazi bullshit artist you are

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 11:56 utc | 148

I'll call you a nazi.

yeah cos clearly anyone that takes issue with your Zio-Nazi bullshit ("oh those 'orrible 'orrible Brits - egged on no doubt by those even more 'orrible Jesuits - made us murder all those Palestinians and steal their land") simply MUST be a Nazi /sarc

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 12:00 utc | 149

Ok, let me change that to "utterly braindead nazi-shithead".

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:04 utc | 150

... not capable of reading either.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:05 utc | 151

Still waiting for the names, MR ZioNazi Bullshit artist, of all those alleged 'Israeli british-bred "elites"', which you were shouting about a few posts back, currently causing Israel to murder Palestinians

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 12:07 utc | 152

You know, I do feel sorry for such idiots a little bit. that's why I'll show you just this little nugget, which might help your brain to achieve the very first cold start-up:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtml
http://www.mastermason.com/fmisrael/israeli.html
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2012.cfm
http://www.texemarrs.com/lodge_over_jerusalem_promo.htm

Now it's your turn, tough guy.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:09 utc | 153

The pics an all are very cute, BUT I did not see any list of NAMES of these alleged 'Israeli british-bred "elites"', which you were shouting about a few posts back, currently causing Israel to murder Palestinians

Instead what we get is the usual Zio-Nazi method of filling the thread full of obfuscatory link-spam as a distraction from the FACT that, despite 3 or 4 requests to do so, you appear unable or unwilling to name ANY of these alleged 'Israeli british-bred "elites"' which you have assured us are currently causing Israel to murder Palestinians

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 12:13 utc | 154

So I'll ask the question for a 4th or 5th time

"Just WHO exactly are these 'Israeli british-bred "elites"' that you allege are currently forcing your fellow Zio-Nazis in Israel to once again start murdering defenceless Palestinians?"

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 12:16 utc | 155

Of course an illiterate like you will not read but just briefly look at the pics... thanks for confirming.

You know, it's neither my duty nor am I paid to feed you every bit of info with a silver spoon. At least a little effort on your side is needed, like for example reading.

What you can find within seconds in google, is that Sir(!) Rothschild is a Knight of the british empire. If you can't do any further homework on your own, it's a proof that you don't want to, because you're a nazi propaganda tool.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:17 utc | 156

"Sir (?) Rothschild"?

That's your answer?

ROFLMAO

what a moron

Ok - I'll play along with your stupidity for a moment - Firstly could you provide me with the first name of this elusive "Sir Rothschild" - there are several Rothschilds, and none that I know of have the first name "Sir"

Secondly, could you provide an explanation as to how this alleged evil mastermind "Sir Rothschild" is currently causing the ZioNazis to murder defenceless Palestinians?

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 12:22 utc | 157

perhaps I misunderstood and you were trying to claim that "?" is his first name and not "Sir"?

seems unlikely though - "?" seems an unusual first name for anyone, let alone a Rothschild

Posted by: LOL | Jul 11 2014 12:23 utc | 158

"Evelyn de Rothschild also served as a Director of the newspaper group owned by Lord Beaverbrook. Years later, he served for a time as a Director of Lord Black's Daily Telegraph newspaper. An owner of thoroughbred racehorses, he is a former chairman of United Racecourses. In 1967 Sir Evelyn created the Eranda Foundation[4] to support social welfare, promote the arts and to encourage research into medicine and education.

In 1989, he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II,[2] for whom he serves as a financial adviser. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Robert_de_Rothschild#cite_note-ukwhoswho.com-2

And now before we continue - I provided more than enough material to support my views, how about you providing some references for your claims? and no, blogs and hearsay are NOT proof. Verifiable stuff please.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:25 utc | 159

Let me help you, an exclamation sign after the word, sometimes also "sic" instead, is an emphasis, not a "name".

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:26 utc | 160

T2015

Ok you are retarded first you deny palestinian kids are murdered then you begin to talk about ohter Yugoslavia in this topic that is about israel/palestine.

Log out of here moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 12:31 utc | 161

Again: stop lying, I CONFIRMED that people are murdered, but we disagree about the actual murderer or rather his masters.

I find it sad that you have to emphasize that "kids" stuff so heavily, typical brainwashing PR-stuff. Strangely you never do it when we look at Ukraine for example.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:38 utc | 162

T2015

sure you're not confusing that Rothschild with this dude.

Posted by: john | Jul 11 2014 12:46 utc | 163

T2015

You are not only retarded but a liar

Here you deny that palestinian kids are getting murdered.

"Israel murdering palestinians" is just the same level of false propaganda as what the opposite side sells

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 12:46 utc | 164

Dear Mr Village Idiot

In your link http://www.texemarrs.com/lodge_over_jerusalem_promo.htm it specifically states

QUOTE

As one of their own insiders, Rabbi Stephen Wise, has stated: "Masonry is a Jewish institution whose history, degrees, charges, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."

UN-QUOTE

Which is the exact opposite of what you have claimed

AND

The author Mr Marrs actually specifically states that Masons are "led by Zionist overlords.", which, the non-braindead will note, is againthe exact opposite of what the village idiot T2015 is currently claiming

Posted by: F.U.b. | Jul 11 2014 12:47 utc | 165

Still waiting for the Village Idiot to explain , could you provide an explanation as to how this alleged evil mastermind "Sir Rothschild" is currently causing the ZioNazis to murder defenceless Palestinians?

Posted by: F.U.b. | Jul 11 2014 12:50 utc | 166

@bout village idiot

Eternal woes! Links are to luminary visions by a blogger named Scaliger. LOL

Posted by: Oui | Jul 11 2014 12:50 utc | 167

○ Modern day Rothschilds in Israel

Posted by: Oui | Jul 11 2014 12:53 utc | 168

@ anion 164: whatever you choose to interprete into my words, I can't influence your lack of comprehension for sentences with more than three words. As already said, it makes no sense to argue with illiterates.

@ FUB(-ar?): Masonry is a british institution and the center is in England. The Queen is the chief of all masonic orders.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 12:55 utc | 169

Masonry is a british institution and the center is in England. The Queen is the chief of all masonic orders.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11, 2014 8:55:30 AM | 169

and yet your own "evidence", such as it is, states that Masonry is Jewish - so clearly

1) your "evidence" is bullshit
AND/OR
2) your claims are bullshit

The author Mr Marrs actually specifically states that Masons are "led by Zionist overlords." so, following your "logic" then the Queen must be subservient to her Zionist Overlords - which would certainly explain a lot, wouldn't it? ;-)

Posted by: F.U.b. | Jul 11 2014 12:59 utc | 170

Well if my evidence is as you claim (without really checking) "bullshit", I will welcome better proof or any sort of verifyable data you care to deliver.

As opposed to me, it's all just empty claims on your side so far.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 13:00 utc | 171

More on the masonic orders and locations: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/textfiles/family.html

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 13:06 utc | 172

T2015 @122

The reference to rapists was a analogue for the Israel 'they made us do it' in order to illustrate how ludicrous it is. I did not say it in reference to you other than you used the same 'X made Israel do it' bs. Israel alone is responsible for its actions, as is the rapist in my analogue.

T2015 @123

The US is the global terror state supporting the vile racist state of Israel and the vile Nazi regime in Ukraine, along with numerous other tyrannies around the world. Interestingly Zionist Jewish oligarchs and Neo-Nazi Pravi Sektor are working hand-in-hand for the same end in Ukraine.

T2015 @159

The Rothschild family is Jewish, so by your hypothesis, we have poor innocent Jewish bankers being forced (against their will?) to act in the interests of Israel. I bet they are crying too - all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 11 2014 13:15 utc | 173

The Zionazi settler regime has all major presstitute outlets on it's side. Even RT is talking about "Israeli reprisals". What can Netanyahoo do? He can launch the Endlösung on the big open air prison comparable to the Warshaw ghetto.

Posted by: Shu | Jul 11 2014 14:48 utc | 174

Yonatan: about Rothschild, did you notice most of them are blonde, blue-eyed and don't look jewish at all?

I'll just cite a competent authority, when he addressed the Pharisees:

Revelation 2:9
"I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 3:9
"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

Again, just so there is no misunderstanding: the Israeli REGIME are the criminal gang installed by the British and directed ever since, more or less. They're all masons. Ariel Sharon was educated by the Jesuits, for example - you can verify that easily online.

The great majority of Jews has no say in anything though. Blaming "Jews" for anything is just like blaming "Americans" for all the sins of the US government which is actually the small Goldmann-Sachs-Boeing-Northrop-Academi gang. That is the sole point I'm trying to make here. The point in boycotting Israel is about as valid as the sanctions against Iran just because of the Mullah gang on top, the ones who suffer are the "99%", not the gang that's running things.

@ anon above - there you have a nice example you asked for. But please, do at least a little bit of research before returning with nonsensical ad-hominem attacks. I am always open for discussion if you can present me with verifyable material. I don't claim to know anything better, but I do my homework thoroughly and always try to verify the "news" from various sources.

I am in no way trying to diminish or talk away the crimes happening in Gaza right now, but I am strictly against the claims that "Jews" are doing it - it's the imperial puppets on top doing it, while the people are just cannon fodder as in any other country. And, let's not forget that there ARE rockets coming from Gaza and that there were various other provocations coming from the other side too. Of course both sides are played in order to secure the gas for BP, which they now can not legally win.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 17:23 utc | 175

Also, the six-pointed star on the Israel flag is a masonic symbol and first widely promoted by Rothschilds, which has nothing to do with Jews at all. Jewish symbol is a menorah. Also you will find the double-headed imperial "eagle" (phoenix) in their logo, which is originally a Byzantine imperial symbol. I don't know how the eastern double-headed eagle ended up there or in Austria, I could imagine that they claimed the supremacy over the former eastern empire as well.

Wiki on the star of David:

"During the 19th century the symbol began to proliferate amongst the Jewish communities of Eastern Europe, ultimately being used amongst the Jewish communities in the Pale of Settlement. A significant motivating factor was the desire to imitate the influence of the Christian cross.[3] The earliest Jewish usage of the symbol was inherited from medieval Arabic literature by Kabbalists for use in talismanic protective amulets (segulot) where it was known as a Seal of Solomon.[4][5] The symbol was also used in Christian churches as a decorative motif many centuries before its first known use in a Jewish synagogue.[6] Prior to the 19th century, official use in Jewish communities was generally known only in the region of today's Czech Republic, Austria and possibly parts of Southern Germany, having begun in medieval Prague.[7]"

Go guess...

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 17:29 utc | 176

@ FFS: dear badly-mannered neanderthal, YOU are claiming that whatever I present is false. You have to put something behind those claimes. Until you can do that, it's obvious who is the idiot here, the one disconnectedly talking hot air out of his ass.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 17:32 utc | 177

Oh and let alone that "boycotting Israel" would hit the arabs just as hard as the jews, if not harder.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 17:34 utc | 178

T2015

ARE rockets coming from Gaza and that there were various other provocations coming from the other side too. Of course both sides are played in order to secure the gas for BP, which they now can not legally win.

Another moron comment, of course palestinians going to defend itself, "provocations", are you related to netanyahu perhaps?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 17:37 utc | 179

Dude... every now and then there are rockets flying from the other side. If you claim otherwise, you're purposefully turning the blind eye. Again, I am NOT excusing the over-reaction of the Israeli ruling regime, just saying that SOMETIMES there are provocations from the other side, which MIGHT as well be false-flags for what I know. This time I'm actually quite certain of that, as said above - it's all about BP and gas.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 17:57 utc | 180

T2015

No there are no provocations by the occupied palestinians, but what can we expect by someone that say that being leftist is as worse as nazism.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/07/what-does-netanyahoo-want.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01a511df5a61970c

Now log out weirdo.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2014 18:00 utc | 181

I grew up in a communist country you dumbass, I could teach you about being leftist till there's no tomorrow. I could tell you much about the hardship of life in a dictatorship where your family never joined the party due to being christian. I could tell you much about abject poverty. But I bet your "leftist" ass which grew up on McDonalds in the luxury of some western middle-class home will again claim to know it ball better and come with stupid insults.

I guess you are one of those fake leftist like the german so-called left that's supporting NATO wherever it can (despite the rhetorics in the media) or like Mr. Barosso who was in the Maoist party - cry me a river. Dumbass.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 18:13 utc | 182

And once more: I supplied verifiable material to cover every single thing I claimed above and answered EVERY single of your questions.

You supplied ZERO material to support any of your denials or nonsensical claims, only stupid insults again and again without any relevant contents or even ONE single answer to any of my questions and without even ONE reaction to real, hard info (like for example Sharon and Jesuits, which is public domain).

You sir are a certified troll and have now put it on record, live. Now it's your turn to PROVE otherwise.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 18:18 utc | 183

I'm still proving the willingness to provide the answers to the questions above though, just to prove the point:

http://www.whale.to/b/masonic_handshake.html

http://lefemineforlife.blogspot.de/2008/05/freemason-israel-prime-ministers-1948.html

"The rise of Masons to political power in Israel dates back to 1948 and to Israel's founding as a modern-day nation. David Ben-Gurion, its first Prime Minister, was both a Mason and an avowed Marxist-Leninist and Communist. Since that time, every single Prime Minister has been a high-level Mason, including Golda Meier, who was a member of the women's organization, the Co-Masons."

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 18:27 utc | 184

"Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly stated (see the Israeli publication Shishi, Spring 1994) that he was initiated into the Masonic Lodge while in the United States. The La Republica newspaper stated that Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin was active in Masonry and estimated there are 4,000 Israeli Freemasons, divided into 76 lodges. Most Israeli judges and religious figures are Masons. Rothschild-supported Hebrew University in Israel has erected an Egyptian obelisk, symbol of Freemasonry, in its courtyard, and inside the new Israeli Supreme Court building is a law library architecturally designed in the shape of an Egyptian pyramid."

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 18:28 utc | 185

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Freemasonry/jews-scapegoat.htm

"While claiming to represent "the interests of the worldwide Jewish Community" the B'nai B'rith is in fact a Masonic Order that represents British Freemasonry, and shifts blame for its Luciferian "world government" agenda onto Jews in general. Thus while pretending to fight anti- Semitism, it actually puts Jews in jeopardy.

The B'nai B'rith has no mandate to represent the Jewish people. But by equating opposition to the globalist agenda with anti-Semitism, it ensures that Jews are blamed for the emerging New World Order.

For example, recently an Internet forum posted an item about B'nai B'rith advocacy of "Hate Laws" and Internet censorship. A member of the forum responded, "Those Jews are setting themselves up for extermination again."

Thus "Jews" become the scapegoat for the Freemason agenda despite the fact that half of American Jews have nothing to do with Jewish organizations or religion, and in fact intermarry.

Yes, many other Jews who are ignorant of the Masonic plan naively subscribe to Zionism and the phony "War on Terror." They might be surprised to learn that the Star of David featured on the Israeli flag is an occult symbol and was never a Jewish symbol in the Old Testament; that most Israeli leaders, like American Presidents, are Freemasons; and that the new Israeli Supreme Court is loaded with Masonic symbolism, and is located along Satanic "ley" lines. Financed and designed by the Rothschilds, it is the court of the New World Order."

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 11 2014 18:32 utc | 186

Sorry I made a mistake above, it wasn't Sharon but Shimon peres with jeduits.