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July 09, 2014

What Does Netanyahoo Want?

After Kerry's fake peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians predictably failed, the Palestinians decided to form a unity government. Hamas and the PLO under Abbas would create a common technocrat government to have more legitimacy for their next efforts in the international realm for the Palestinians' rights. Israel decided to try everything to destroy that effort.

Then three Israeli colonists were kidnapped and killed by some rogue Palestinian clan and under quite murky circumstances. Netanyahoo, despite knowing that the three were dead and who was responsible for it, used the frenzy "search" for the three to dismantle Hamas in the West Bank. He also attacked Hamas in the Gaza strip. The retaliation and escalation then went like clockwork just as Netanyaoo had expected.

A large scale occupation operation against the people of Gaza is now again on the horizon. Such could easily escalate further into a third intifada.

One wonder what Netanyahoo hopes to, in the end, win by this. He can not dismantle Hamas or kill the efforts for the Palestinians' rights. People on both sides, the Palestinians much more though, will suffer. This all will only increases the push to further delegitimize Israel and its occupation.

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Likud and Yisrael-Beitenu have split following a confrontation between Minister of Foreign Affairs Avigdor Liberman and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The Yisrael-Beitenu chairman is set to call a press conference to officially announce the split but Liberman has no plans to resign from the government.

Liberman met Netanyahu this morning to inform him of his decision. The separation leaves the Likud with just 20 MKs and a rickety coalition that is struggling to promote new measures and push legislation through.

Liberman and Netanyahu have had their ups and downs together. Tensions have risen between the two men in the past week over disputes in the security cabinet on the strength of Israel's reaction to the murder of the three teenagers kidnapped in Gush Etzion. Liberman wanted to hit Hamas hard while Netanyahu advocated a more moderate response.

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-liberman-splits-likud-yisrael-beitenu-partnership-1000952301

Bibi has his hands full apparently... the media coverage received over the murdered Palestinian teen, then the beating suffered by the American Palestinian teen... (which was somewhat positive for Bibi in that the events covered up the 2 Palestinians killed by IDF on May 15th); the negativity demonstrated by his inciting his people, esp. the youth, to riot... US (and EU) acceptance of Abbas' Hamas-backed gov't... the pressure within his government to "mow the lawn" in Gaza... the looming break-up of his gov't. What's a fella to do? Bomb of course, and bomb some more. And some more.

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 18:12 utc | 1

He want to punish palestinians when they got together.
Its summer, he want to kill off some palestinians it seems.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 18:17 utc | 2

nuttyahoo is catering to local demands while continuing to strip off any facade of the desire for peace or equality or anything remotely human.. don't worry - it will be all the palestinian's fault in the western media.. that is how subservient the mainstream media has become today..

Posted by: james | Jul 9 2014 18:18 utc | 3

Very interesting Crone. I also suspect there is a certain taking advantage of Iraq/Syria as well. It's getting to the point where there is almost to much Middle East conflicts to keep track of them all.

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Jul 9 2014 18:19 utc | 4

"Then three Israeli colonists were kidnapped and killed by some rogue Palestinian clan..."

How do you know they were Palestinian? Do you know their names? Motive? How they benefited?

Posted by: SingingSam | Jul 9 2014 18:28 utc | 5

Excellent Electronic Intifada article - thanks!

Leader of Terror-Murder Cell Follower of Shas and racist Beitar Jerusalem FC

A gag order remains in place, so any details or leaks can only be published outside Israel's censorship.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 9 2014 18:35 utc | 6

Bodies were found in the village of Halhul near extremists hotspot of Hebron.

Barracude-like Policy of Likud On Palestinian Land - Some Blowback

Hebron Kidnappers Went Rogue, Against Hamas Wishes

(Tikun Olam) – Shlomi Eldar, writing for Al Monitor, published a revealing article about the history of the Qawasmeh family, a member of which commanded the Hebron kidnapping. As usual with IDF/government propaganda, you have to do further research in order to discover the truth. In this case, the claim that the kidnappers were associated with Hamas is tenuous at best. Further, the claim that Hamas commanded or ordered the kidnapping is flat out a lie.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 9 2014 18:47 utc | 7

Hamas has no friends in the region

Israel's Operation Pillar of Defense of 2012 was ended through mediation of Egypt's Morsi (Muslim Brotherhood), Erdogan of Turkey (MB) and Hillary Clinton (supporter MB). The Emir of Qatar, the great funder of Hamas in Gaza, lost out to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. No sympathy for Hamas in the present political game of the Middle East giving PM Netanyahu a free hand to act as he wishes. Obama has no political clout with Israel.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 9 2014 18:50 utc | 8

@5: And, even if the murder of the 3 Jewish teenagers was done by Palestinians, who knows if the shooting of the 2 Palestinian boys on Nakba Day by IDF soldiers was part of an Israeli plan to provoke violence that in fact worked?

Posted by: lysias | Jul 9 2014 18:51 utc | 9

lysias

Of course, this is the reason:

b

. Hamas and the PLO under Abbas would create a common technocrat government /// Israel decided to try everything to destroy that effort.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 18:58 utc | 10

Yeah, I have a hard fucking time with the whole "kidnapping" story - always have - but especially now that we know that the apartheid genocidal Israelis knew the illegal settlers had been killed from the get-go.

So, like every other murky instance involving US/Zionist scum we the peons inevitably discover that we have to walk back our beliefs in lie after lie after fucking lie in the "official story" of each event until we reach a point where we are left only with the fucking words of said US/Zionist scum as some sort of "confirmation" of the story.

Oh, so it wasn't a kidnapping.

Oh, so you knew they were dead from the beginning.

Oh, so even though you were totally fucking lying about all of that shit and made up an adorably detailed little narrative to boot, I guess the sensible thing to do - especially in light of all of the war crimes/false narratives you fucking criminal scum are guilty of over the years - would be to believe the rest of the fucking story concerning how officials knew for certain the identities of the "kidnappers" and all the other such fucking nonsense.

What, are we really supposed to believe that the murderous Israeli scum are ABOVE killing their own citizens to advance their own war criminals agenda?

Give us all a fucking break.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 9 2014 19:01 utc | 11

The squatters were upset about losing their toe-hold in Gaza. Now that the "Israelis" have consolidated their grip on the West Bank land which they confiscated to compensate themselves for the "loss" of Gaza, they've cooked up this pantomime as a prelude to re-open Gaza to squattlement. Bibi will also use his fake war on Gaza as cover for some 'accidental' strikes on Syrian military/defense assets.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 9 2014 19:02 utc | 12

I think this is just the beginning of the reactionary response to the first truly viable threat to the existence of Israel, the Islamic State. Israel knows what is coming, it has been informed but it seems doomed to fall into the trap of increasing violence and repression that was set by the Caliph. Once the world sees what horrors Israel is capable of to try to protect their stolen Settler Nation it will be difficult for anyone to come to their defense.

Attacks in the KSA, Jordan and Lebanon are increasing and the Kurds appear to be moving towards a rapprochement with the Islamic State which is just another spike in Maliki's coffin.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 9 2014 19:04 utc | 13

What does Netanyahoo want?
Really? What do psychopaths always want?
Power.
He wants Gaza- He wants the energy resources that sit in Gazan waters
He wants the water- He wants Palestinians in Jordan- where he believes they belong! He wants greater Israel

J Sorrentine @ 11 weird thing about those dead kids
A group based in the Sinai said they killed them.
Had it up at my place. I doubt it. Heard rumours of them being killed in a car accident so IDF shot them up, but, who knows?
Perhaps the IDF shot them up intenionally?
What is absolutely clear is that Israel never presented evidence of Hamas involvement.

Posted by: Penny | Jul 9 2014 19:22 utc | 14

@ Penny,

one of the 'teens' was a member of IDF ,,, here’s photo from FB -
http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2014/06/Fraenkel-635×357.jpg

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 19:32 utc | 15

Once the world sees what horrors Israel is capable of to try to protect their stolen Settler Nation it will be difficult for anyone to come to their defense.

You must be kidding. First no one needs to come to their defense; they're supreme in the ME. Second, what horrors Israel commit have been apparent for years, yet they're still defended by the West.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 9 2014 19:32 utc | 16

crone@ 15
thanks for the link. All young people in Israel are IDF?
mandatory military service and all that...

I'm just mentioning what I am hearing around (rumour mill) and the report about the Sinai group came from Jerusalem post.

Point being Israel never demonstrated Hamas's involvement

Posted by: Penny | Jul 9 2014 19:40 utc | 17

Am I in the dark about the Hamas rockets from Gaza? Thousands have been fired in the last 15 years, hundreds this week. And not a single Israeli has died? A few wounded, I recall. Why are Hamas' rockets always off target? Why do they always occur when Israel needs a provocation? Just asking...

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 9 2014 19:40 utc | 18

okie farmer

Israel have attacked and killed palestinians in may/june of course palestinians respond.
As for your secnd question, these are homemade rockets.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 19:47 utc | 19

I don't see the IDF going into Gaza. Nothing to win, a lot to lose. They will keep safe bombing from the air (bombs from high altitude planes, not even copters or drones?) for a while and then get some 'outraged' third party to play the usual 'truce' and 'peace' dance as Hamas doesn't have any interest either to start a war/intifada at this point.

That's the win/win strategy, more Palestinian dead (civilians, but who cares, it's not like they are interested on destroying Hamas military either, who would control Gaza then?) with zero Israeli causalities and the propaganda machine will make it clear that they won just again and heroically made Hamas 'stop launching missiles' or whatever. Nothing will change in the ground or strategically.

Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 9 2014 19:50 utc | 20

Anonymous, Hamas was a creation of Shin Bet.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 9 2014 19:52 utc | 21

Let's talk about Gaza, Sderot and the racist valuation of lives

A frank discussion about everything we don’t mention when talking about rockets and bombs and Gaza. Let’s talk about fear, about poverty, about angst and about racism.

By Lilach Ben David

Let’s talk about Gaza. Let’s talk about a small strip of land that god didn’t forget about, but about which we are certainly trying to forget. Let’s talk about one of the most crowded populations in the world; or to be more precise, it was made to be one of the most densely populated places in the word, because until 1948 most of its inhabitants lived in Yaffa, in Bir al-Saba’, and in hundreds of other small towns that have since disappeared and which have been forgotten. Let’s talk about what it’s like to live in the world’s largest open-air prison, let’s talk about a million and a half people who are ruled by a foreign government from their own air, sea and land — a foreign power that decides when they do and don’t get medicines, concrete, electricity and coriander. Let’s talk about people who our government wants us to believe we are not occupying yet reserves its right to control their borders, land, water and air, and to collectively punish them when its mood sours.

And let’s talk about Sderot. A transit camp, which is a nice word for a refugee camp, which turned into a “development town,” which is also a nice name for a neglected and deprived periphery town that became the “front line,” which is a nice name for throwing the Mizrahim into the frontier between the Ashkenazis and Arabs, a theoretical category between a Zionist nationality and a Middle Eastern ethnicity, which has turned into a physical divide between “us” and our “enemy” as well as an easy target for desperate attacks from the other side — serving the same role as Jerusalem’s Musrara decades ago. Let’s ask why 13 years of bombardment against citizens in Sderot didn’t push the government to act the same way that two rockets in Tel Aviv did.

Let’s talk about the racist valuation of blood. In the Zionist blood market, the cheapest blood is Arab. You can spill it like water, bomb it, shoot it, fence it in, choke it, or burn it with gasoline or white phosphorus. Slightly less cheap blood, although still pretty cheap, is that of someone who hasn’t managed to find a way into the exclusive “salt of the earth” club: Mizrahim, Ethiopians, Russians and people who ride public buses and live in public housing apartments, many of which are dangerous enough even if they aren’t located within rocket range. So let’s talk about blood that isn’t cheap. Blood that requires revenge. The blood of those who’s deaths are the cause of national mourning, who are born not only as Jews, but the right type of Jew, of the right color and in the right place.

And let’s talk about the fact that that racist valuation exists for all Israeli Jews — for the cultured and educated, and especially for leftists. A wounded Jewish person at a protest against the separation barrier unites us in a show of solidarity that we wouldn’t give for even thousands of wounded Palestinians or dozens of killed. And if the Left was to react to the news of each and every one of the 1,520 Palestinian children that Israel murdered since 2000 in the same way that it reacted to the deaths of three settler youths, it would no doubt long ago have drown in its own sorrow and statements of condemnation.

Let’s talk about fear. Let’s talk about children crying from air-raid sirens and running to find a shelter within 15 seconds. And let’s talk about children whose homes sway like an out-of-control pendulum from the force of artillery shells and who don’t have any shelter to run to. And let’s talk about the more than 350 boys and girls who no longer cry or laugh or grow because they were blown to pieces or burned alive or buried under the rubble of their own homes along with their whole families during the massacre we call “Operation Cast Lead.”

Let’s talk about poverty. Let’s talk about a population that lives on the grace of international humanitarian aid. Let’s talk about more than 60 percent unemployment. Let’s talk about power outages and about the elderly and children who die because the health system is collapsing. Let’s talk about the cement factories and power plant that Israel blew up in order to create that suffocating poverty. And let’s talk about the Israeli economics minister who can’t stop talking about how he’s everybody’s brother, but isn’t enough of a brother to save the Negev Textile Plant from closing. Let’s talk about the mothers whose children don’t go school when Qassam rockets start falling, but who themselves must go to work; nobody is reimbursing them for missed work days.

Let’s talk about angst — the angst of an occupied people under siege that doesn’t see any way to have its voice heard by a world that doesn’t want to listen, that is aside from firing short-range rockets at their neighbors on the other side of the fence. Let’s talk about the angst of those neighbors who for 13 years have lived with rockets and sirens and who know that nobody cares about them. Let’s talk about Mayor Alon Davidi, an Ashkenazi invader from a group of youngsters that was sent to the periphery in order to brighten it with its wonderful pale light. Instead of representing the interests of his city’s residents, he exploits their angst in order to align himself with the war machine and the Israeli massacre and to demand more cheap blood from the other side — when the last thing the majority of Sderot residents would want now is to be sacrificed in the name of another round of violence.

So let’s talk about hope. Let’s talk about breaking the illegal siege, and thereby ending the rocket fire. Let’s talk about a common language, about joint struggle, about a shared life, about a state that doesn’t seek to banish the Arabs, and thereby ending the need to erase the memory of Mizrahi Jews’ Arab culture. Let’s talk about the day after the occupation and siege and hate and hunger and humiliation; let’s talk about justice for Gaza and justice for Sderot, justice that doesn’t come at the expense of the Other. Let’s break the siege, apathy and racism, and replace them with humanity.

Lilach Ben-David is a transgender and feminist activist based in Tel Aviv. Read this article in Hebrew on Local Call.

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 19:58 utc | 22

"Motive?" @5, is this a joke?

Posted by: ruralito | Jul 9 2014 20:06 utc | 23

WOW, crone22, where did you find that?

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 9 2014 20:07 utc | 24

okie farmer @ 18

yeah, why is it after all these years, err...decades, they haven't managed to upgrade these bottle rockets, you know, get some gps targeting capability or whatnot?

christ, to do any damage one of those suckers has to basically hit you in the head.

Posted by: john | Jul 9 2014 20:08 utc | 25

Let's talk about illegitimite Vanity "States". Volscia for the Volscii!

Posted by: ruralito | Jul 9 2014 20:10 utc | 26

Abbas recently told [I think it was the NYT] “I don’t like to go to the courts. I don’t like courts. I want to solve my problems directly between the parties", this when a majority of the other Palestinian leadership members including Arekat and 17 NGO's want Abbas to formally sign on to the ICC, even the Prosecutor at the ICC say's she is waiting for the Palestinians ["the ball is in their court"] but the collaborator Abbas will not move. Then in South Africa [at Mandela's funeral]he said he was against boycott of Israeli goods [BDS Israel proper]. Then to put the top hat on it, said that security co operation with Israel is 'sacred'. During Abbas's rule he has acted like a pharaoh, always asking for advice from the Arab League, no don't laugh,the truth is the only true supporters of the Palestinians are the countries under attack now from other Arab states led by Saudi Arabia, Iran,Syria and Hezbollah, Abbas has been in power 20 years in which time settlements have expanded exponentially and ethnic cleansing is a daily occurence, the Palestinians will lose, lose lose while that man leads them.

Posted by: harry law | Jul 9 2014 20:11 utc | 27

@24

Sorry Okie... I forgot to post link

http://972mag.com/lets-talk-about-gaza-sderot-and-the-racist-valuation-of-lives/93130/

There are some outstanding articles at 972mag, all by young people.

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 20:23 utc | 28

harry, I remember when the leaked texts came out wherein Abbas agreed to every single detail of Israel's demands in the so-called peace negotiations. He got into some political hot water for a short time, then it blew over.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 9 2014 20:25 utc | 29

@27

Yes Harry, I can't decide if the Israelis have simply given Abbas too much money for him to advocate for Palestinians, or if perhaps they have threatened his family. 'Course it may be a combination of both!

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 20:26 utc | 30

Abbas's latest utterance “We say to those who fear courts that you must refrain from committing crimes; if you do not want to be prosecuted, you should not commit crimes that could drag you to all types of courts,” he threatened".http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182586#.U72zjLGwEpt He also wants the UN to investigate Israeli settler crimes in the West Bank, he needs to sign up to the ICC and force them to open an investigation into the whole illegal[Geneva Article 49.6] settlement enterprise, until he does that he should just retire.

Posted by: harry law | Jul 9 2014 20:32 utc | 31

Okie, Mondo recently did an article on the Mizrahi Jews... before reading it I knew nothing of them. (They are briefly mentioned in the 972mag link above). Here's an excerpt:

"...Mizrahi Jews, or Mizrahim (pl. Hebrew), are 50% of the population of Israeli citizens. Ashkenazim make up 30% and Palestinians are the remaining 20%. Most Mizrahim have roots in Arab countries, such as Iraq, Yemen, Egypt and Morocco. Many Jews from those countries were generally forced to leave during the 1950s after Israel became a state. In some cases this may have been a response by those countries to the new Zionist state, or the emigration may have been precipitated by the Israeli government, or they chose to leave, but the creation of about 600,000 Jewish refugee immigrants served Israel’s purposes. Israel needed to bring in Jews to replace the 750,000 Palestinians it had forcibly removed from their homes, both to justify the removal of the Palestinians and to replace the labor that had been forced out. Mizrahi means Eastern, but it has come to mean a Jew from a country in which the Jewish population did not speak Yiddish. The term therefore includes Ethiopian Jews, Indian and East Asian Jews, and Jews from Spain and some Slavic countries. The Ashkenazim– or Jews from Eastern or Central Europe or the Yiddish-speaking areas of Europe– are generally in the upper classes in Israel. They are privileged in terms of education, employment, positions in the armed forces, housing opportunities and they have many other societal advantages.

Prior to reading this book, I was aware of statements like David Ben-Gurion’s “poor human material” , in referring to Jews from Arab countries [see for example War Without End, by Anton La Guardia]. It was evident that if Israel’s founders based their new country on the premise that one ethnicity is superior to others, then it is no stretch to assume that racism will spread to encompass other ethnicities. If Jews are considered superior to non-Jews, it would not be out of character for the privileged class to believe that certain Jews are superior to other kinds of Jews. In fact, it would be a surprise if there was no evidence of the expansion of racism. Racism is hard to contain, always spilling out over the edges and spreading."

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/mizrahi-loyalty-smadar.html

So, 30% of Israeli population (the white jews, the Ashkenazim) decide the quality of life for the 70%.
That's interesting. One could chew on that for quite a while...

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 20:37 utc | 32

harrylaw

I fully agree, what is he waiting for? That palestinians havent get rid of this israel collaborator is amazing.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 20:42 utc | 33

What Does Netanyahoo Want?

I almost didn't read simply because I have a policy of not reading anything with a headline that has a question mark. Then I realized that it was a rhetorical question.

Then, at the end, I got confused. Are you really asking what that snake wants? Surely not.

Psychopaths are insane.

That is the correct answer. SHEEESH.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:02 utc | 34

Okie @ 16

Israel may have been supreme against conscript conventional forces but they were defeated or at least matched by Hezbollah in Lebanon. The coming conflict will be asymmetrical to the extreme with dedicated and hardened Jihadi forces of the Islamic State along with the enraged youth of Palestine.

I don't think we have seen or even imagined what Israel is capable of when they realize they are cornered, we may even witness their self-inflicted nuclear destruction along with many of their neighboring capital cities.

Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 9 2014 21:07 utc | 35

What is happening here? Are we discussing motherfucking WAR strategy? History?

You all make me angry.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:10 utc | 36

Israel is fucking INSANE and so is the U fucking S. No, I am not Jsore but I admire their words.

He gives me permission to cuss. lol

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:13 utc | 37

I guess what I'm trying to say is, who the fuck cares what bibi wants? And are you fucking kidding me?

What do I want? Hmmm. I better think awhile before I speak.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:17 utc | 38

@36,37,38

I know... you want to hijack the thread!

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 21:21 utc | 39

No crone, I don't. Just speaking my peace.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:24 utc | 40

I would have thought that you would have been in agreement. I guess not.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:26 utc | 41

Good to know.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:27 utc | 42

I think a ground invasion of Gaza depends on how many rockets keep hitting Tel Aviv. Hezbollah can hit Tel Aviv. Now so too can Hamas. I think Netanyahu knows going into Gaza heavy is a huge mistake. But if Tel Aviv keeps getting hit day in and day out, you know how these warpigs are -- force is the only answer.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 9 2014 21:28 utc | 43

Mike Maloney

Yeah lets blame palestinians, moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 21:31 utc | 44

Yes well. In an unexpected turnaround, David killed Goliath. Now let's just determine who is who. Whom?

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:33 utc | 45

Can they hit Dimona?

Posted by: lysias | Jul 9 2014 21:33 utc | 46

@46 Yes

Israel claims 7 rockets were fired at Dimona... Dome captured 3 http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/8858/

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 21:41 utc | 47

Can who do what? Just stop it. Now I'm supposed to go look up Dimona. Stop this nonsense.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:41 utc | 48

@40

I apologize Cindy... lots of unfamiliar names passing through here attempting to be disruptive.

Posted by: crone | Jul 9 2014 21:43 utc | 49

Well I know that I believe everything I read on the internet. I don't even need any proof.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:43 utc | 50

I'm sorry too crone. I tend to get banned from lots of places. Apparently I'm an asshole.

Thanks. I had thought we were on the same side. One never knows though. lol

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:45 utc | 51

I didn't mean to be disruptive. I was just responding.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:47 utc | 52

I imagine that what Netanyahu wants is to install Dahlan in Gaza. Sisi is probably in favour too. The strategy being that Israel will attack, killing civilians at random-there are no real military targets- until it judges that people will accept any rule as an alternative to more killing.

It didn't work in Lebanon but then Hamas aren't Hezbollah.

Hamas made complete idiots of themselves and lost their staunchest allies when they sided against Assad and the Syrian government. Since then, and the demise of Morsi's government, which shared their opportunistic turn in Syria, they have been on their own.

Condolences to the Quisling family: I hear that their ancestor is being called an Abu Mazen.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 9 2014 21:50 utc | 53

Also, I know that you guys are so much more intelligent about these things than I am. Most of the time I'm over here drooling in the corner. Sometimes though I get riled up.

Sorry, y'all.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 21:52 utc | 54

Anonymous, where did you pick up that I was blaming the Palestinians? On the contrary, I was relishing the bind that Netanyahu and his warpig cabinet find themselves in here. If rockets keep getting sent from Gaza he is going to have to commit to some sort of ground invasion, which will be disastrous for Israel. It is of course horrendous that innocent Palestinian civilians are going to be the ones who bear the brunt of the suffering. But hopefully Israel is beginning to wobble.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 9 2014 21:54 utc | 55

He has Palestinians killed in order to create a pretext to kill more and take even more land and do more ethnic cleansing. SEE VIDEOS: Media Bias for Israel Masks Israeli Aggression against Palestinians

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jul 9 2014 21:54 utc | 56

Robert Fisk has a piece in The Independent which is not bad.
This though will amuse Canadians:

"The last time this specious argument was used was in 2008, when Israel invaded Gaza and killed at least 1,100 Palestinians (exchange rate: 1,100 to 13). What if Dublin was under rocket attack, the Israeli ambassador asked then? But the UK town of Crossmaglen in Northern Ireland was under rocket attack from the Irish Republic in the 1970s – yet the RAF didn’t bomb Dublin in retaliation, killing Irish women and children. In Canada in 2008, Israel’s supporters were making the same fraudulent point. What if the people of Vancouver or Toronto or Montreal were being rocket-attacked from the suburbs of their own cities? How would they feel? But the Canadians haven’t pushed the original inhabitants of Canadian territory into refugee camps."

Read that last sentence again.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 9 2014 22:06 utc | 57

That is rich, bevin.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 9 2014 22:12 utc | 58

Mike Maloney

Well you seems to blame palestinians (you did it again)?

"he is going to have" uh that just what he wants, no one is forcing him, he loves this, netanyahu loves war.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 22:14 utc | 59

I don't think he wants to, Anonymous. "He is going to have to" because he has infantilized a majority, let's say a plurality of Israelis to believe that they have a right to complete freedom in the use of violence and have an expectation of total safety. Therefore he is boxed politically. He will invade if the rockets continue to hit Tel Aviv. Netanyahu knows at the very least a ground invasion will yield another damaging Goldstone Report. Israel had to burn a lot of capital burying that one. International recognition of Palestine is coming; a ground invasion of Gaza will hasten that.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 9 2014 22:26 utc | 61

Mike Maloney

Lol no netanyahu dont want to kill anyone, he dont want no war, that he now bomb Gaza and have put 50000 soldiers ready to invade Gaza, no its not netanyahu who wants this.

Get real!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 22:29 utc | 62

@bevin #57:

Nice to see that Fisk is still in good form. (Patrick Cockburn sounds like a mainstream Western journalist lately. I have stopped reading him.)

the RAF didn’t bomb Dublin in retaliation, killing Irish women and children.

To state the obvious, that's because Britain is a Christian country, so it tries not to massacre its citizens, or people whose land it is occupying. (Tolerating genocide by others, as in now being done with the Nazi Ukrainians, is another matter.) Israel does not suffer under that constraint: it's morality is tribal, following the Old, not the New, Testament.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 9 2014 22:31 utc | 63

It's very simple. Do I need to actually speak the words. Are there other words to speak that I haven't already spoken? Dear God what is happening?

Oh I forgot. This is a liberal site. There is no God here. My bad.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 22:37 utc | 64

@61 I get your meaning Mike. Netanyahu puts the troops in position. He's saying submit or else. But he knows it could backfire.

Posted by: dh | Jul 9 2014 22:39 utc | 65

I am not saying that Netanyahu does not wish to invade Gaza because he does not want to butcher tens of thousands of innocents, Anonymous. He has no problem with that. The people at the top are psychopaths. What I am saying is that Netanyahu does not want to invade because it is not to his strategic advantage. It will be costly. Israel will be further tarnished; Palestine will be closer to recognition. He will have accomplished nothing.

If you are saying that all Netanyahu wants to do is kill people, I wouldn't argue that. But I think he knows that he can kill more Palestinians in the long run by not invading Gaza, by keeping it blockaded, by keeping it just below the boil, by avoiding a third intifada. Genocide over decades rather than a pitched battle where Israel can lose like it lost to Hezbollah in 2006.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 9 2014 22:44 utc | 66

@66 Absolutely right. They can go in and slaughter thousands but the images of dead women and children won't look good. The 'news' made be stifled but a lot of ordinary people have seen through the bullshit.

Posted by: dh | Jul 9 2014 23:00 utc | 67

Sorry. They know that they can do whatever the fuck they want and there is no one that can or will stop them. Get real, people.

Posted by: cindy | Jul 9 2014 23:06 utc | 68

So there you have it folks. They look bad either way to me.

Posted by: dh | Jul 9 2014 23:19 utc | 69

bevin

I had the impression only one wing of Hamas turned against Assad. I also had the impression Iran is still on good terms with Hamas.

Posted by: truthbetold | Jul 9 2014 23:51 utc | 70

Deutsches Reich - Warsaw Ghetto
Israel - Gaza
Kiev - Lugansk
USA - Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Syria, Lybia, North Korea, China.
Finish it off- once and for all!
Dream on you psychopaths!

Posted by: slirs | Jul 9 2014 23:54 utc | 71

i Think Netanyahou wants to drag Hezbollah in the conflict.

Posted by: Nabil | Jul 10 2014 0:13 utc | 72

Must see video....talking lies to the masses: http://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-rockets-hit-200-hamas-targets-reservists-prepare/story?id=24491631

Posted by: georgeg | Jul 10 2014 0:18 utc | 73

@73 - Except the video is taking place in Gaza....

Posted by: georgeg | Jul 10 2014 0:21 utc | 74

please read Paul craig Roberts article: Washington’s Arrogance Will Destroy Its Empire — Paul Craig Roberts.

Posted by: slirs | Jul 10 2014 0:38 utc | 75

Why, what a fucking surprise!!!!

Not only does ISIS have chemical weapons but they also have nukes now too.

Anyone sick of this fucking bullshit yet or do we have to actually go through with the false flag that the neocons have told us is coming?

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 10 2014 2:00 utc | 76

I don't know enough about the dead Israelis to say one way or another, but as long as we're talking convenient events that further the aims of the colonial state, here's a little gem that I came across in the last few days (I only now just realized, posting it here, that it is from 2007). It certainly gives you an idea of the possibilities. And the use of provocateurs is as old a tactic as humanity itself.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-k-file-on-entebbe-contains-claim-that-israel-behind-hijacking-1.222003


U.K. file on Entebbe contains claim that Israel behind hijacking
Unnamed contact cited in newly released documents as saying Israel worked with PFLP.
By Haaretz Service | Jun. 1, 2007 | 12:00 AM

Newly released British documents contain a claim by an unnamed contact that the Shin Bet security service collaborated with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine to hijack the June 1976 flight from Israel that was diverted to Entebbe, Uganda, the BBC reported Friday.


The original BBC piece: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6710289.stm

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 10 2014 3:18 utc | 77

What does he want? Why, he wants to vent his anger.

It really is that simple: Netanyahu is losing control of the domestic politics of Israel, and he wants to take out his frustrations on *somebody*.

And if you are an Israeli politician and you want to go the thump on somebody, well, heck, that's what the Gaza Strip is there for.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 10 2014 4:16 utc | 78

@57 bevin quote from robert fisk "But the Canadians haven’t pushed the original inhabitants of Canadian territory into refugee camps."

is robert fisk some kind of retro apologist for israel? it sounds that way by raising this last point you quote.. so canada and the usa treated the people who lived here since eternity as shit a few hundred years ago is some sort of valid excuse for israel to do it circa the 21st century? i ain't buying any of that bullshit myself.. robert fisk sounds like an ignoramus or worse..

Posted by: james | Jul 10 2014 6:32 utc | 79

Let's see, Abbas is a collaborator, the "terrorist" Hamas is a creation of Shin Bet - so how convient that Israel has all they need for a divide and conquer strategy.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 10 2014 6:33 utc | 80

Netanyahu is catering to the interests of British Petroleum. Obviously he never gave a fwck about either jews or arabs, he would let them all be executed tomorrow if needed.

I'll just repost the link from yesterday:

http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.de/2014/07/natural-gas-and-fictitious-rockets.html

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 10 2014 6:37 utc | 81

"So, 30% of Israeli population (the white jews, the Ashkenazim) decide the quality of life for the 70%.
That's interesting. One could chew on that for quite a while..."

Posted by: crone | Jul 9, 2014 4:37:53 PM | 32

Finally you're coming to your senses. Last time I told you that, you screamed "Hasbaraaaaaa!!!"

It's more like the top 1% who decide and they're a satan-worshipping masonic mafia subservient to the British Empire. Most of those 30% "white jews" are russian immigrants who have no say in anything bare the few related to the "elites" or the top gangsters.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 10 2014 6:48 utc | 82

@truthbetold | 70

I had the impression only one wing of Hamas turned against Assad. I also had the impression Iran is still on good terms with Hamas.

When Hamas leader Khaled Mashal turned against Syria, its not "just one wing". Iran, Syria and Hezbollah all severed ties with Hamas at that point, but after disastrous sequents of events (Syria surviving, Morsi fall-down) Mashal publicly admitted "it was a mistake", Hamas somewhat resumed relationship with the Resistance axis. Its still very icy at this point, and to my knowledge, Iran is on good terms only with other smaller Palestinian groups, which havent backstabbed yet.

Considering Mashal was a traitor even before these events (he is under Qatar's influence, which is under short leash of Usrael), I doubt this betrayal was a surprise to anyone. Same with Abbas, another leader and traitor of his own people.

Posted by: Harry | Jul 10 2014 7:11 utc | 83

Mike Maloney

And as a psychopath he act rational? No.
Israel can do whatever they want, no one cares, obviously. Israel knows that.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2014 7:18 utc | 84

from wsws:
Death toll mounts in Israeli attacks on Gaza
By Patrick Martin
10 July 2014
The death toll from Israeli bomb and missile attacks on the Palestinian population of the Gaza Strip has reached at least 63 since Sunday, when virtually non-stop air strikes on the blockaded territory began. More than 300 people have been reported wounded. Of the 47 dead who have been identified, 41 were described as civilians. Of these, 12 were children.

The latest atrocity overnight Wednesday was the killing of at least eight people at a café in Khan Younis, a Gaza neighborhood, where spectators were watching the World Cup match between Argentina and the Netherlands. That bomb injured at least another ten Palestinians.

There were other incidents of multiple killings of children and their families. The Palestinian Ma’an News Agency reported that Nidal Khalaf al-Nawasrah, described as a “toddler,” his brother Muhammad Khalaf al-Nawasrah, 4, and their mother Sumud al-Nawasrah all died when an Israeli missile struck their house. Agence France-Presse reported the death of two brothers, aged 12 and 13, in Shejaiya, and a four-year-old boy and his mother in Zeitun.

The attacks by the Israeli air force are expanding in intensity and frequency. Israeli spokesmen said that 440 strikes had been conducted in the four days ending Wednesday, more than during the entire eight-day assault on Gaza in November 2012.

While Israeli officials invariably cite Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza as the reason for the air strikes, the disproportion is clear. A total of 180 rockets have been fired from Gaza in the course of the last month, since the crisis first flared following the kidnapping of three Israeli teenage settlers on the West Bank. Most of these primitive rockets have fallen harmlessly in open areas, and about 20 percent have been shot down. Not one Israeli has been killed, and there are few reports even of minor injuries.

Meanwhile, Gaza is being laid waste by precision-guided bombs, cruise missiles and other sophisticated and high-powered weapons. Hundreds of tons of high explosives have hit Gaza every day this week.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/10/gaza-j10.html

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 10 2014 8:39 utc | 85

strange that even wsws got it wrong, it wasnt palestinians that started but israel that started bombing Gaza.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2014 10:23 utc | 86

from McClatchy:
BAGHDAD — The fight for Iraq’s largest oil refinery has deteriorated into a tense standoff as 75 troops loyal to the government struggle to hold out in a small compound in the sprawling facility, surrounded by hundreds of radical Sunni Muslim militants.Interviews with an Iraqi politician who’d been briefed on details of the siege and accounts from residents who live near the refinery indicate that the Islamic State’s fighters and their tribal allies now control virtually all of the 300-acre refinery at Baiji, with the exception of the compound, which contains the facility’s main switches and controls.The Iraqi commandos are cut off from supplies and reinforcements, but the Islamic State has yet to launch a final assault, apparently because the militant group doesn’t want to cause irreparable harm to the refinery’s operating systems.Despite the dire situation _ and the strategic importance of the refinery _ the Iraqi military is reluctant to send reinforcements or drop supplies from the air because of the risk that aircraft could be shot down, according to the interviews.The politician asked not to be identified because he hasn’t been authorized to discuss the siege publicly. His version, however, closely tracked the accounts of witnesses who live near the refinery, providing the most detailed account so far of the crucial battle for Baiji. Located about 155 miles north of Baghdad, the Baiji facility is crucial to Iraq’s economy _ three refineries that together are capable of refining 310,000 barrels per day. The facility has been shut down since June 17 because of the siege.A battalion of the Iraqi army’s 4th Division was tasked with protecting the refinery. According to the politician’s account, the defense began to unravel when a key officer, Brig. Gen. Aras Abdelqadir, who commanded the battalion, left as the Islamic State siege began. The remaining officers tried to leave, too, through an agreement brokered by local tribes. But the soldiers under their command balked and wouldn’t let the officers leave without them.When all 400 tried to leave, 75 special forces troops who were at the refinery stopped them.“The battalion told the special forces, ‘We’re 400, you’re 75. We’re going to win this gunfight,’ so they let them leave,” the politician said.The special forces troops remained in the compound, surrounded by militants who reportedly outnumber them by more than 5 to 1.The commandos are struggling, the politician said. But he said no reinforcements were being sent because the military was afraid of aircraft being shot down. The roads have been lined with booby traps and are also too dangerous, he said. The Islamic State could slowly starve them out if they don’t negotiate a surrender, the politician said.“You can’t protect 10 square miles with 75 people,” he said. The Islamic State and tribal military commanders at the siege, which involves about 500 militants and local allies, have repeatedly offered the holdouts amnesty and safe passage in exchange for peaceably handing over control of the vital infrastructure, residents said. One resident who’s worked in the facility and declined to be identified out of fear of the militants and the government said that storming that part of the complex was impossible because of the likelihood of catastrophic damage to the refinery.The commandos “have the place well protected and have at least 10 snipers on the roof who shoot at anyone who comes near them,” the resident said.“Daash and the tribes can’t attack that part of the plant, because one stray bullet could destroy millions of dollars of equipment or blow up all of Saladin province,” he said. “Daash” is the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State.“Daash has given their word as Muslims the men will be allowed to safely leave,” he added, but said that so far the commandos “seem like they would rather die than surrender.”“This cannot end unless they run out of food,” he said.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/07/09/232805/islamists-corner-commandos-defending.html##storylink=cpy

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 10 2014 10:26 utc | 87

What does Netayahoo want?
He does not really want to see Hamas disappear or be totally defeated, as that would take away the rational for Israeli policy of buying time before facing the inevitable and logical outcome of the moral bankruptcy of its policy.
He certainly does not want to have Hamas lose its ability to shoot rockets that fizzle harmlessly and aimlessly but with great dramatic effect into Israel. Hamas is totally stupid in continuing with use of unguided missiles where the greatest payload is fuel and the effect is exhibition, as anything other than a outlet for Palestinian frustration and rage. It is probably just as possible that this is also a cynical ploy to keep the war going in absence of any real political leverage. The cycle of violence that is being fed is extremely cynical and contrived where the leadership find the occasional flare up more convenient than looking for constructive answers.

Posted by: YY | Jul 10 2014 13:49 utc | 88

YY, every time Hamas has truly good leader emerge, the Israelis assassinate him. I'm begining to suspect Hamas is a 5th column. As you said, they're extremely useful for the Zionists.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 10 2014 14:07 utc | 89

McClatchy is the PR department of IS/ISIS now?

Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 10 2014 14:45 utc | 90

okie farmer

Yes Hamas is a fifth column and US never reached the moon.
What other bright ideas do you have?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2014 15:48 utc | 91

I think benny wants PEACE !

Well that is Piece of Cake what most of the talking heads talk aboet :)

When i hear the word "peace" i always think : Sure, another Piece of the Cake, when do you want the whole one :)

Well benny, Peace is uppon you :)

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 10 2014 16:17 utc | 92

@87
"..the Iraqi military is reluctant to send reinforcements or drop supplies from the air because of the risk that aircraft could be shot down, according to the interviews..."

Wow! Maliki is not only Prime Minister but Minister of Defence and C in C of the Iraqi Armed Forces, if McClatchy's report is correct he plumbs new depths of incompetence. How can this government possibly survive? My guess is that half of the units in the million strong Iraqi Army are shadow forces for which corrupt commanders collect, rations and munitions which are sold, in the end, to bands such as ISIS.

Eric Wahlberg has a useful analysis at Counterpunch:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/10/did-bin-laden-win/

Posted by: bevin | Jul 10 2014 16:30 utc | 93

james @79
The point that I was making, and which I am really surprised that you misunderstand is that Fisk is completely wrong in suggesting that Canada does not leave its First Nations to rot in Reserves which are very much like Refugee Camps.
Like the Palestinians they have had their land stolen from them.

You say that "...canada and the usa treated the people who lived here since eternity as shit a few hundred years ago.."
But the truth is that Canada has treated its native people like shit for hundreds of years and continues to do so.
I thought that it was weird that Fisk was unaware of this, but I see you share his ignorance.

In fact the Israelis, following their long time allies the white South Africans, have deliberately modeled their colonisation on that practised in the US and Canada. The Bantustans were slightly more liberal versions of Reservations. Israel's slicing and dicing of the West Bank and its repeated assaults on Bedouin communities are part of a plan intended, eventually to create the sort of situation in which First Nations in Canada are completely subservient to the demands of the settlers.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 10 2014 16:44 utc | 94

"To state the obvious, that's because Britain is a Christian country, so it tries not to massacre its citizens, or people whose land it is occupying."

Demian @63. You are obviously not a student of Irish history or British imperial history. If you think, however that Christian countries don't massacre the people whose land they occupy, I would advise you not to read any history at all, as it would disillusion you and might make you re-evaluate your faith.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 10 2014 16:49 utc | 95

@73 and 74. ABC News retracted the false narrative.....We can debate till doomsday, but as long as America condones and encourages Israel's behavior, nothing will change. Furthermore, as long as our MSM continues its one sided reporting, nothing will change.....

Posted by: georgeg | Jul 10 2014 17:46 utc | 96

Hillary Mann Leverett Underscores the (Studiously Ignored) Demise of the “Peace Process” - and Rebuts the Myth of “Inclusion” as Panacea for Iraq
Going to Tehran July 7, 2014.
http://goingtotehran.com/hillary-mann-leverett-underscores-the-studiously-ignored-demise-of-the-peace-process-and-rebuts-the-myth-of-inclusion-as-panacea-for-iraq

Remarkably forthright stuff about the Incredible Shrinking Palestine (and Iraq).

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 10 2014 18:34 utc | 97

@bevin #95:

I would advise you not to read any history at all, as it would disillusion you and might make you re-evaluate your faith.

Saying that I have a "faith" is a bit of an insult on a blog like this. I've said before that I prefer not to make posts at the Saker, because of the frequency of expressions of religious faith there.

I believe that there is no question that Christianity is superior to Judaism and Islam, but my position is that of a neutral observer, not a "person of faith". I am not going explain why, because this is OT and if I did, I would feel like a broken record.

I probably should have been more precise however, and written "To state the obvious, that's because Britain is a Christian Protestant country…" To this day, Catholics obviously have no compunction about killing non-Catholics, as one sees on a daily basis in the former Ukraine. I have heard no pleas from the current Pope for the Uko-Nazis to stop the genocide. This is business as usual for Catholics.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 10 2014 19:37 utc | 99

@Demian

Got your stats a bit off on former Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic: 62,5 % irreligious and the Ukrainian and Roman Catholics combined are less than 6%. Sorry for disappointment.

The great divide is in the Eastern Orthodox church between Kiyv and Moscow Patriarchate, not surprising.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 10 2014 21:18 utc | 100

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