Hmmmm…
I wanted to check on Strelkov’s VK page but it appears the whole VK.com is down.

Posted by: acrimonious | Jul 27 2014 17:09 utc | 4

Well, if Russia wanted to push it they now can go in under the pretext of enforcing the UNSC resolution that was passed unanimously. If they let the Ukies have control of the crash site, they will have no one to blame but themselves for the following whitewash. Russia needs to secure the site and invite in whoever wants to inspect it from any country that is interested.

Posted by: Lysander | Jul 27 2014 17:26 utc | 6

‘ How long will it take for the “west” to express outrage over this breach of an UN resolution by the Ukrainian governments and its indiscriminate killing of “its own civilians”? ‘
About as long as its taken the “west” to express outrage over Israel’s serial breach of every UN resolution condemning its aggression in Palestine and its genocide of the Palestinian people?
The sun has set in the “west”, long time passing.

Posted by: john francis lee | Jul 27 2014 17:50 utc | 8

Russian media allege flight MH17 shot down by Ukrainian missile unit

The Malaysian passenger plane MH17 may have been shot down July 17 by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft unit during an exercise, according to Russia’s Ria Novosti, which cited an anonymous source in the Ukrainian security apparatus. The new and detailed allegations in the Russian media come amid mounting US and European Union charges that Russia is responsible for the shooting down of the jetliner.

Maybe that has something to do with the ‘new offensive’ at the crash site?

Posted by: john francis lee | Jul 27 2014 17:58 utc | 10

The Ukrainian offensive near the crash site may have the added benefit of fouling the evidence of the investigation, then. Traces of Uke munitions at the site? Well, that will be blamed on the fighting rather than the downing of the plane no matter who holds the territory after the offensive. Win/win for Ukes.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Jul 27 2014 18:31 utc | 12

@12. There are a million ways the Ukies with the help of the msm can foul up an investigation. But I figure traces of an air to air missile or a SAM would not be explained by ground fighting. Also, if the plane stayed in flight for a while after a fist strike, made a 90 degree turn, then got struck again, someone has all the radar data to prove it.
All this is i material of course. No matter the evidence it will be blame Russia 24/7

Posted by: Lysander | Jul 27 2014 18:42 utc | 14

@ yellowsnapdragon
You didn’t see the photo of the cockpit section on the ground? Instant death.
○ Shrapnel Damage of Cockpit MH-17 Devastating plus enlarged.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 27 2014 19:42 utc | 16

The pilots couldn’t have turned as they did after a strike like that, so there is likely important information in the cvr detailing what the pilots were told by ATC, what they saw, and what they said to each other before that strike. Something happened first. What’s been suggested by reports of the data recorder is that everything was normal until the missile strike, which couldn’t be true if the plane turned as it did.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Jul 27 2014 20:00 utc | 18

Ukraine is racing against time. They can’t sustain this much longer – people are already burning draft cards. Their casualty rates are high.

Posted by: jeff | Jul 27 2014 20:39 utc | 20

@19 Noirette –
Yr speculation is exactly that of retired Russ. Gen Zhillin (sp?), i.e. hit by air-to-air missile and then by ground-to-air.
The Americans have the spy satellite images, but won’t release them.

Posted by: chet380 | Jul 27 2014 21:10 utc | 22

that an engine was struck first with an air to air missile, causing a hard turn
But that too would be evident from the black boxes, right? The Brits are analyzing those I believe. It truly sucks that we are unable to trust anything done or said by the ‘West’.

Posted by: tgs | Jul 27 2014 21:21 utc | 24

Lysander,
Yet unreleased data from black boxes indicate missile attack, or so we are told. That’s a credible detail but obviously not the full truth. This follows the the West’s MO of opinion shaping via the media: Release credible details that, taken alone, support the chosen narrative while ignoring or suppressing the context and additional information that contradicts the story line. I don’t know what we will see in the voice recorders or if we will get to see what’s there at all. I don’t know how the west plans to convince us that the Novorussians did it when there is so much evidence against it.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Jul 27 2014 21:46 utc | 26

@tgs,
All the anonymous leaked reports of the black box data say is that whatever is there is consistent with a missile downing the plane. If the plane was struck first by an air to air missile at an engine, the data recorder would have recorded the engine failure and the voice recorder would have recorded the concern of the pilots. So, I believe the anonymous leak is a strategic one to maintain the story line.
Reminds me of the infamous 16 words. ” The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein . . .”

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Jul 27 2014 21:58 utc | 28

@Northern Observer #28:
You have to remember that, for over twenty years now, the citizens of the former Ukraine were taught that they are something called “the Ukrainian people” and that the main part of being Ukrainian is fanatically hating Russians.
From the point of view of the Russian government, it is preferable for the resistance to defeat the junta on their own, without Russia directly interfering militarily. And hope of that will remain, so long as the junta is not able to control the Russian border. It tried to gain control of it last week and failed; that’s when MH17 was shot down.
Russia’s intervening militarily would strengthen the junta considerably. At present, ironically, the Kyiv government appears to be less stable than the governments of Donetsk and Lugansk.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 27 2014 22:29 utc | 30

@DM #30:
I don’t know when you went to high school, but the lies our government and media are now telling us are much worse than the patriotic nonsense we were taught in high school.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 27 2014 22:44 utc | 32

Pyatt emails satellite images of missiles from Russian territory to Ukraine.
http://rt.com/usa/175980-us-images-russia-ukraine/
Looks like Pyatt got the info out before Novorussians could document any wrongdoing by Pyatt. The damage is done.

Posted by: yellowsnapdragon | Jul 27 2014 23:06 utc | 34

Kiev intensifies combat operations in MH17 crash zone to evade exposure – DNR PM

Intensified combat operations “are irrefutable evidence proving that Kiev is seeking to destroy all evidence of the crime committed by its military,” Borodai was quoted as saying.
“The junta is in panic, the only thing that matters for them today is to evade exposure. Kiev’s actions run counter to [President Pyotr] Poroshenko’s decision to declare a 40-kilometre zone around the crash site a ceasefire territory.”

Posted by: Demian | Jul 28 2014 1:08 utc | 36

Russian Spring
Donetsk. 07/28/2014-05:45
Comment: The essence of the events is the Ukrainian top brass has started an operation planned long time ago to simultaneously strike from two converging direction from south and north, bypassing Donetsk, with the goal to create a big Donetsk caldron.
From south, the blow is at cities Shakhtersk-Torez. From north – at Gorlovka-Debal`tsevo. Diverting strikes are inflicted on cities Pervomaysk and Donetsk.
The goal: to sever communications and conclude the encirclement (of Donetsk) in city Yenakievo.
This is scenario, which Igor` Strelkov warned about. It is this tactic that explains the fact of sacrificing soldiers in the South caldron (settlement Marinovka – Russia border). Dying as fodder for cannons, hundreds conscripts tie, nevertheless, the combatant forces.

Posted by: Fete | Jul 28 2014 3:14 utc | 38

Is it me or is the US/Israel war machine, propaganda and “diplomats” in tow, going just completely f*cking bonkers beserker like never before these last few weeks? Now they’ve got “satellite images” from a private- PRIVATE- corporation showing Russia is shelling Ukraine from the Russian side of the border. Is it desperation or out of control hubris and power madness? As for the MH17, the longer it takes to release the black box recordings, the more sure it is they’ll be tampered with, or cherry picked at least. Possible they may be “damaged and unrecoverable” or some bs. Anyone have any idea how easy or not it would be to doctor those things? And will we ever hear the recordings from the control tower or will those be dropped down the memory hole? And is nobody gonna touch #12? Gold N Flowfield, that’s up there with the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever spewed. And that’s saying something.

Posted by: Colinjames | Jul 28 2014 6:17 utc | 40

I’m rather inclined to believe the Ukie forces saw that the Federalists had more or less abandoned the crash site and saw an opportunity to take some territory they otherwise wouldn’t have been able to take. Plus – splitting the Federalist forces would be a bonus.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 28 2014 6:47 utc | 42

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 28, 2014 2:56:58 AM | 42
It is clear that they have unconditional US and EU backing, much like Israel.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 28 2014 7:17 utc | 44

#39 colinjames. Today I read that story in the Guardian that described that the those grad missiles were launched from Russia into eastern Ukraine. They showed the satellite photo making that case. What was interesting they showed two figures based on exactly the same same photo images. In one, they drew in the Russian-Ukrainian border showing the launch sites in Russia and the impact sites in Ukraine. In the second figure the Russian-Ukrainian border was different and both the launch and impact sites were in Ukraine.
This means one of the two figures had to be wrong at least. So I looked at google maps to see where the border actually ran. It was clear, just from the shape, that the border shown in the first figure was not congruent with the google maps border. The second figure, showing the launch sites inside Ukraine, displayed a border consistent with Google maps.
I pointed this out in the Guradian’s comments to the article Sunday morning. Now more than 12 hours later the story has not been corrected. Without doubt one of the two figures has to be wrong and the one supporting the story’s main thesis is the most likely one that is wrong. This is a transparent falsehood. Yet the story remains. This is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of verifiable fact. But the lie remains in place.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 28 2014 7:42 utc | 46

Here’s PCR on the Pyiat “release” of “proof”:
Another State Department Hoax?
Paul Craig Roberts
I have an email that purports to be from the State Department Press Office. It is dated today, Sunday, July 27, 2014 at 8:45 AM EDT
It reads:
State Department Press Corps:
Sharing with you the attached document with DNI images — evidence of Russia firing into Ukraine.
Regards,
State Department Press Office
There is a 1.1MB file attached with pictures and a few words saying that the pictures indicate Russian firing into Ukraine territory.
As one with news and government experience, I am confident that information as important as this purports to be would not be released in this way. For several days reporters have been asking State Department press office spokeswoman Marie Harf for evidence to back her claims that Russian military is attacking Ukrainian forces. Harf has told the reporters that she cannot provide evidence. In other words, Harf’s evidence is like John Kerry’s evidence that he could never provide that Assad had used chemical weapons.
Suddenly the evidence appears in an email and is spread via social media. This is not credible. Such evidence if it actually exists would be released in a Washington press conference by top government officials with experts present to explain the meaning of the photos to the journalists and to answer questions. No real journalists, if any are left, are going to believe that such hot information would be released in an email. Moreover, the photos are meaningless to the uninitiated, and there is no way to judge their authenticity.
Additionally, it is not credible that such important information would be released at a news dead time–8:45 AM EDT on a Sunday morning when the West Coast is still asleep.
What are we to make of this?
One explanation is that kids, unaware of the seriousness of the matter, concocted a hoax for fun.
Another explanation is that unable to substantiate any of its charges against the Russian government, the State Department decided to use social media to spread disinformation in behalf of its propaganda assault on Russia. It was Geoffrey Pyatt, the US Ambassador to Ukraine who posted the images on Twitter. Pyatt was Victoria Nuland’s partner in orchestrating the coup against the Ukrainian government.
As of 5:45PM EDT Sunday, no State Department official of which I am aware has verified that this is a State Department news release. Indeed, email on Sunday morning is such an unprofessional way to release important news that I do not believe even the incompetent Marie Harf could be responsible for releasing information that was valid in this way.
The import of the “news release” is to use social media to build the image of a dangerous Russia among an unsophisticated public independently of having to convince reporters. Once this image is created, Washington can use it to build public support for its purposes, such as more military spending or sending US troops to Ukraine.
In my opinion, it is reckless for Washington to convince Russia that Washington is going to continue to lie in order to discredit Russia in world opinion and to continue to dismiss out of hand Russia’s protests. Washington is conveying to Russia that Washington has launched a very aggressive propaganda campaign against Russia, a campaign that could easily push the world to war.
In my day, if Washington had such information as the email purports to be, Washington would have used the information to defuse the situation. The Russian ambassador would have been called in and asked to explain. The ambassador would understand that he needed to tell the Kremlin to back off or the information would be released in a news conference.
Today, with the Obama regime seeking confrontation with Russia, the regime would have released the information in a press conference with all the important bureau chiefs present. For journalists of my vintage, releasing it in an indiscriminate email targeted to social media would have completely discredited the information.
The UK Daily Mail took the bait, reproducing the images and reported them as official government releases, but the State Department has made no official statement in behalf of the email, instead passing inquiries off to the US embassy in Ukraine. Russian media have skeptically reported the charges, thus helping to spread the propaganda

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 28 2014 7:51 utc | 48

That Russia – Ukraine border issue is another long EU policy fuse now detonating.
The land along the Ukrainian Russian border is culturally and economically integrated. The EU has pressured Ukraine first and foremost to close that border for EU integration – sealing fortress Europe directed against refugees (and Russian legal and illegal merchandise).
To now end security cooperation with Russia (as demonstrated by the sanctioning of secret service personnel) is the height of irresponsibility.
What “the West” is doing now is trying to blackmail Putin into letting the Ukrainian army “win”.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 28 2014 8:41 utc | 50

Comment under some bizarroworld ‘green’ Guardian anti-Russian crap:

fairleft
28 July 2014 9:57am
Civilized countries, ones not interested in demonizing and war-mongering, impose sanctions after the most decisive evidence has been collected and analyzed. For example, the black boxes and flight recordings of the MH17. That hasn’t happened yet, but somehow we’re way down the road and have already upped sanctions against Russia.
Despite its excellent satellite surveillance capabilities, the West hasn’t presented any evidence that the Russia-supported eastern Ukraine rebels shot down the MH17. Russia has presented relevant satellite imagery evidence, which is best interpreted as either inconclusive or indicating that the Ukraine government might’ve shot down the plane.
And then there’s the war-monger-disturbing fact that the last time a country, the US, shot down another country’s (Iran’s) civilian airliner, no sanctions or any other punishment was imposed on the US. It was, after all, an accident.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 28 2014 9:04 utc | 52

Washington Post making some sense for a change

If insurgents are pushed out of big cities, the ongoing asymmetric warfare in Donbas that will be fought largely by conventional means is likely to take the form of an underground guerrilla movement. Similar to the PKK in Turkey, ETA in Spain or the IRA in the Northern Ireland, it will rely on sporadic attacks on government and military installations to exhaust the incumbent and damage its governing capacity rather than establish control over a territory. And like Hezbollah in Lebanon or FARC in Colombia, it will rely on outside powers for provision of arms, funds and training. In its new form, guerrilla attacks will likely spill over to other Ukrainian regions, particularly Western Ukraine. According to the latest poll, most Donbas residents (39%) blame radical nationalist organizations for the ongoing conflict, with Western intelligence services being close second (34%).

The calculations of all sides are completely criminal.
I looked at the Pyatt’s so-called “map” of the “shelling from Russia”, and besides looking cartoonish fabricated from whole cloth on trajectry, it appears to be ‘definitive’ as it shows impact craters from the shells. But certainly lack of “demarcation” provides ambiguity, I would still side with PCR that this is another false flag.
Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 28, 2014 5:10:10 AM | 53
There is not just a lack of “demarcation” on land there is a lack of “demarcation” of people. It is impossible to distinguish pro-Russian Ukrainian from Russian as by citizenship (could be dual), language or ethnicity. Even uniforms can be put on by any actor. All those maps “prove” is that there has been shelling.
The US is not serious in this accusation. It is another attempt to define Ukraine as opposed to Russia.
It is an attempt to destabilize Russia, too. Putin is between a rock and a hard place in balancing oligarchs’ economic – no sanctions – interests – and the political anti-Yeltsin, anti-liberal Russian opposition.
Der Spiegel quoting German Secret Service was quite clear that they count on putting the screws on Russian oligarchs to put pressure on Putin.
I can’t see anybody lobbying for a viable solution of the conflict just now.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 28 2014 10:12 utc | 54

Acrimoniois
Why would.it mean war?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 28 2014 11:18 utc | 56

@55
Of which Leonid Nevzlin is entitled to around 70 percent.

Any funds claimed will be shared among the shareholders. The biggest ultimate beneficial owner is Russian-born Leonid Nevzlin, a business partner who had fled to Israel to avoid prosecution. He has a stake of around 70 percent

I suppose Nevzlin is welcome to try to collect the money in Moscow any time he likes..

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 28 2014 11:46 utc | 58

By not collecting both black boxes, decoding them and publishing everything Russia made a move that strongly underestimated the lack of honesty from the western press and polical circles.
The fact that the evidence here (black boxes) provided by the accused (Ukr Federalists) to the accusers (UK,US,Ukr…) would imply some way of innocense never made it to western presstitute media. Obvious questions like the change of flight route, the presence of fighter planes or the confiscation of flight recorders are never touched or twisted by the western ministry of desinformation.
In 1986, a US war ship in Iranian territorial waters shot down an Iranian passanger plane killing everyone on board. They lied there way through the whole process and the CIA was able to collect the black boxes. The acknowledment of the event came years later at a moment when it didn’t matter anymore and when nobody was listening.

Posted by: ctr | Jul 28 2014 12:03 utc | 60

Russian media say the images are fake.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 28 2014 12:21 utc | 62

and so it begins..corrupt eurotrash
Alexander Smith ‏@AlexMurraySmith 2h
…seems to leave two conclusions: Andriy Lysenko is lying or the #MH17 data was leaked from the Dutch Safety Board to Ukraine.
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Posted by: brian | Jul 28 2014 13:12 utc | 64

@60 At this point, the Russians may not care. The reaction has demonstrated the West is popuoated by deranged mad men. The Chinese know whatever the Russians know. The Chinese are holding surprise naval drills while the NATO project in Libya is back in the news. Obama might not be bright enough to get the message, but the Chinese who own our factories are screwing with us in direct support of their ally at a time when previous U.S./NATO operations and the thuggery of the 51st state are hitting the news.
I would just be keeping a list of names and when Western companies want to deal with Russia or China, I imagine they will be reminded of European behavior.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Jul 28 2014 13:48 utc | 66

As I said before, the Ukrofascists are actually more crazy than the original Nazis. Demian at 35.
Oh yes. But they are different, and in a contemporary international context, and their main problems is that ‘they’ are not a Large Nation that is soldered but a rather small loose coalition of ppl in a ‘failed state’ outpost stuck between two major powers: vulnerable, and asking, begging, manipulating for allies and ‘aid’ – economic, military, ressources, from all sides. (The West should give arms, matériel, send troops, Russia has to step up to the plate, etc.)
Totally nuts, yes, but partly as merely exposed to the light of day from what was previously a precarious yet locally held status quo that was not revealed in the media. All of which spurs extremism.
I don’t see the idea of a false flag op. (one interpretation) of downing a commercial plane as originating with them. Simply, ops. like Odessa are their style,— but beyond manipulating ppl outside of corruption and Mafia-like practices is a new scene for these oligarchs (and pol hangers on), who are used to individual control, corruption and sadistic personal violence but don’t have much clue about larger scope of information circuits, international politics, etc. not to mention technology and planes and all around that.
So imho the usual suspects convinced them easily. With no potential cost to the usual suspects, they can turn the news around on a dime: Rogue Ukrainians shot down MH17 by mistake! (This meme is already partly on stage) .. So now back to biz as usual. Nothing to see here. Too sad though.
OK, one pov amongst multiples, I’m not attached to it.
The Kiev coup Gvmt has collapsed, possibly partly due to MH17. Yats quit because UDAR, Svoboda and Fatherland could not support the IMF package and strictures. Thus, he quit for the same reason that forced (after Maidan, etc.) Yakunovitch to flee. Parliament and others could not accept the IMF terms / conditions, so Yanuk. turned to Russia. In Yats’ position, that is no longer possible.
These parties also refused to split Naftogaz (State gas co.) in two and in effect to sell off 49% to EU and US cos, although a first reading of the bill received a ‘pass.’ Naftogaz is so deeply in debt that even the IMF says that (under its conditions, unlikely to be realised) it would be ‘healthy’ in 2018, they always do those ‘soft’ projections. (> Greece for ex.)
Naftogaz owes Russia something like 5 billion dollars (or more? idk.) Nobody wants to pay for that. In short, reliance and co-opting hyper-nationalists on the ground has not turned out well for the ‘West’. And a horrific disgusting false flag, the most likely description, is not doing much better.. revanchist blaming, sanctioning of Russia for failure in the Ukraine!

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 28 2014 14:49 utc | 68

Dutch investigators dont like Ukraine junta’s accusations.
http://rt.com/news/176136-mh17-crash-rocket-ukraine/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 28 2014 15:18 utc | 70

tbs at 71. Quite so or yes in part, but replacements and disturbances are bad news for outside controllers or investors and their local stooges.
All is supposed to be smooth, everyone is supposed to toe the line, no opposition allowed. When that breaks down (partly thru outside interference itself!) everyone is dismayed, long-term plans are shattered, and personal interests take a huge hit as uncertainty sets in and partnership control collapses.
So there will be new elections and a new Gvmt.? Then what? Who now has to spend money on lobbying new figures who control…exactly what and how? Moreover in a country in the grip of civil war? Will the newbies be better, different, more pliable, that the older version? And if so, what is the risk of revolution or all out civil war and total break down that stops one even baking a bun and selling it?
How long can we put up with this crap? is no doubt a common thought.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 28 2014 16:54 utc | 72

If, as I suspect, Kiev/Ukie forces shot down the plane and then bald-faced lied to the United States (and the world) and the United States “decided” to be largely hands-off to allow “plausible deniability” if the ruse unravelled (they lied to me!!!), this would mean that Kiev likely has serious leverage with a Washington eager (desperate) to avoid Benghazi II. (Damned if they, damned if they don’t — but McCain is unlikely to be any more interested in “the truth” in the Ukraine than he was wrt to the securing of Libyan arms by that Benghazi CIA outpost).
The Benghazi coverup was much more about “optics” — trying to avoid attention paid to the unrest in Libya (being cited as the most perfect little war (humanitarian intervention) since Bosnia). The Ukrainian “regime change” has played out very badly — so blaming Putin and the insurgency has provided a subtefuge behind which “the financial realities” can play out. I suspect the pressure on Khodorkovsky must be extreme, however, the American press (who really wanted to make a hero out of Khodorkovsky)tends to ignore how desperately unpopular he and the other oligarchs are with the Russian people.
Kiev needs American support, no matter how unenthusiastic it might be, and the United States would really like to avoid recognition of what appears to be an evolving failure. When “damning revelations” eventually arrive (probably after November midterms), Team Obama will not look good as America discovers it was once again told a reassuring but false “the system worked” fairly tale about the Ukrainian “victory.”

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jul 28 2014 17:31 utc | 74

artnetnews is reporting that Donbass resistance fighters are raiding Museums for arms. There is nothing new about this but it does put the US State Department claims that Russia ids supplying weapons into perspective: it is utterly and completely false.
“Ukrainian separatists snatched up a new set of weapons for their arsenal last week. But, this time at least, Russia is far from blame. Rebels in the town of Donetsk took a World War Two-era T-54 tank and two Howitzer artillery pieces straight out of the city’s museum commemorating the Second World War, according to an AFP report.
“Speaking to the news agency on the condition of anonymity, the guard working at the museum when the rebels waltzed in said, “They had written authorization to take them away.” Who gave said permission, nevermind would even have official authority over the museum collections in the separatist-held city, remains unclear.
“The guard said that the rebels loaded the tank and weapons into a large truck, adding that, “They took the tank that was least damaged.” It’s doubtful that that tank and the Howitzers are in working order after not having been used operationally for decades. However, the guard said, “I think they’re going to use them to fight……”

Posted by: bevin | Jul 28 2014 17:56 utc | 76

@58 59
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2013/12/khordokovsky-he-is-free-but-his-money.html
Flashback time: December 2010- Mikhail Khodorkovsky & Platon Lebedev found guilty of embezzlement.

“In 2003, when Khodorkovsky was arrested, he signed over all his shares in Yukos, to one Jacob Rothschild, of the Rothschild banker and Oil family.

   
The Rothschilds have financed oil exploration in Russia since the Tsarist period, while Lord Rothschild has close connections with Yukos.”

If all the top Yukos managers were unable to carry out the role, Lord Rothschild would take over, the company official told Kommersant on condition of anonymity”

There are two viable links contained in the above relinked post.  BBC and Washington Times- Read them, cos I am not making this stuff up.
Khodorkovsky signed over all his shares in Yukos to Jacob Rothschild.
The money is now under the control of Dutch foundations, run by boards known by the benign, if Kafkaesque(?), term of “benevolent interveners (I was thinking Orwellian myself)
Doesn’t seem to be much benevolence in this intervention

There is little doubt that Mr. Khodorkovsky still has tens of millions of dollars in other investments. (notice how we have gone from billions to tens of millions?)He is not going to go hungry. In a news conference after his release, he said he had “enough money to make a living.” Striking a philosophical note, he also said he was certainly better off than most of his fellow convicts.

But that is a pittance compared with what could still be his personal stake in what is left of Yukos, once one of the world’s largest oil companies, now bankrupt. There may be as much as $920 million from the sale of the company’s overseas assets, but it is locked up in the Dutch foundations.

Control of these legal entities, called stichtings in Dutch law, is in the hands of independent boards not beholden even to the beneficiaries, possibly including Mr. Khodorkovsky.
The boards are wholly autonomous, run by lawyers and former oil company executives who have found a second career in the corporate afterlife of Yukos.

This legal entity called stichtings run by lawyers and former oil company executives?

If all the top Yukos managers were unable to carry out the role, Lord Rothschild would take over, the company

If there are no “former” oil company executives and all shares were taken over by Lord Rothschild, who controls this stichting?
It would seem to be a Rothschild controlled enterprise, no?”

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 28 2014 18:32 utc | 78

Nevzlin is the beneficial owner of about 70 percent of GML, while four other partners — Platon Lebedev, Mikhail Brudno, Vladimir Dubov and Vasily Shakhnovsky — each have a about 7.5 percent. GML used to own 60 percent of Yukos.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jul 28, 2014 2:55:38 PM | 79
Well given what we already know, regarding Yukos and the Rothshilds, I think an intelligent person might have to conclude that

• Nevzlin
• Platon Lebedev,
• Mikhail Brudno,
• Vladimir Dubov and
• Vasily Shakhnovsky

are, at least when it comes to Yukos, all nothing but mere frontmen for the Rothschilds then
Other not-so intelligent peeps will of course, as usual, conclude something else entirely from that info

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 28 2014 19:07 utc | 80

Germany cant stop its sanctions and hatred of Russia
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/07/28/373156/germany-japan-welcome-russia-bans/
Will Germany be part of WW1 WW2 and soon WW3?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 28 2014 19:11 utc | 82

actually, coldn, you are partly correct.. On one level – the official level this is an internecine feud between capitalist powers. That doesn’t mean that one side – the US side isn’t more wrong than the other. It was the US and their patsy, the EU-centric liberal right wing of the German govt. that created this entire problem which Capitalist Russia has been reacting to. If the US and Germany had not backed a violent overthrow of the Ukraine we would not be here. The US has vigorously backed and propped up in power some of the worst, most degenerate groups in Europe – Svoboda and Right Sector. Germany supported another one, Udar, which naturally hasn’t fared as “well” as the US pet stooges. The moral and ethical problems that grew out this mostly US created disaster can be separated from the goals and schemes of both major factions, Russia and the US. Of course the people of Novorussyia have the right to self determination, to self govt. and freedom from persecution based on ethnic cultural and historical bigotries, as do people everywhere, even if that mean leaving a political construct they had no part in creating and which aggressively ignores and abuses these interests and rights. While that does not mean Russia is entirely interested in helping them uphold these basic human rights the US is aggressively (and illegally for what that’s worth) persecuting these people, abusing and seeking to deny their human rights, directly and through its proxy govt. in Kiev.

Posted by: Marc | Jul 28 2014 20:08 utc | 84

This is a good development, these persons are professionals, not to be influenced by European politics … at least I think so!
○ Eurojust coordination meeting: investigations into Flight MH17

Posted by: Oui | Jul 28 2014 21:15 utc | 86

Perhaps the MSM stories of Kyev gains in eastern Ukraine have been over-stated.
Jul 4
Ukraine’s newly-appointed defence minster has pledged to to retake Crimea from Russian control promising a victory parade in the key city of Sevastopol. The parliament in Kiev erupted with cheers following the remark made by Colonel General Valeriy Heletey, 46, a former policeman who previously headed the state’s VIP bodyguard service.
Jul 28
Secretary Hagel spoke today by phone with Ukraine’s new Minister of Defense, Valeriy Heletey. The secretary congratulated Minister Heletey on his appointment and asked for his assessment of developments in Ukraine. Minister Heletey conveyed that despite steady progress by the Ukrainian military , the situation in eastern Ukraine continues to worsen. Minister Heletey expressed his nation’s interest in additional security assistance from the United States. Secretary Hagel assured him that the U.S. government will continue to review all such requests within a broad interagency process, beginning with discussions through our embassy in Kyiv.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 28 2014 21:47 utc | 88

The US is (properly) worried, and is stepping up the propaganda.
Russian Troops, Equipment Mass Along Ukraine Border
By Jim Garamone
DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, July 28, 2014 – Russian troops continue to mass along the border with Ukraine, and heavy and sophisticated Russian equipment continue to flow across the border to Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists, Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steve Warren said today.
Around 12,000 Russian combat troops remain along Ukraine’s southern and eastern borders, the colonel told reporters at the Pentagon, noting that Russian equipment crosses the border into Ukraine with impunity.
“I can tell you that last week we saw a column of over 100 Russian vehicles moving into Ukraine,” Warren said. “That’s the largest one we’ve seen. It is a substantial enough number that is a great concern to us.”
Heavy and sophisticated equipment requires trained personnel, he said. “What we’ve seen that most concerns us is in southern Russia, Ukrainian separatists participating in training activities … around Rostov,” he added. “This indicates that Russia is, in fact, training these separatists on how to fight, how to operate equipment [and] how to conduct operations in Ukraine.”
[OMG — I wonder where they got that idea! Payback is a bitch.]
More equipment could be quickly moved in to Ukraine, the colonel said. “What the Russians do is posture equipment along the border … in such a way that it can move at any time,” Warren said.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 28 2014 22:10 utc | 90

This is interesting… The video is apparently a month old. I think it provides a better explanation of the Ukrainian fighter in proximity. Just as Kyiv is using the wreck site as a tactical asset, they possibly use civilian planes as decoys. Apologies if this has already been posted.
http://youtu.be/aKKoKmUtQXE

Posted by: chuckvw | Jul 28 2014 23:14 utc | 92

Well, now I know where the junta gets its recruits from: it forcibly rounds them up like cattle.
Ukraine Crisis: Death and destruction continues in Eastern Ukraine
(82 min. video with English subtitles)
I’m sure Frontline, American PBS’s public affairs show, already has this scheduled for broadcast.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 29 2014 0:18 utc | 94

There’s the possibility that the MH17 affair is a conspiracy at the highest levels between Moscow and Washington.
There can be no doubt that at the Pentagon and CIA the downing of a commercial airliner by a SAM has been a feature of their wargame models. Advance SAM systems are a blight upon air superiority, which both the Russian and Americans possess. It will strike any independent observer, even without the benefit of hindsight, that it’s ludicrous to fly airliners through combat zones where both sides have the potential capability to down them by accident or design.
Russia and the US have broadly cooperated against asymetric threats since 9/11 and this maybe an attempt at controlling the proliferation of anti-air systems and introducing rational energy policy when the US government isn’t able to.

Posted by: Ralph Walter Reed | Jul 29 2014 1:49 utc | 96

@xyz #97:

it can’t be pinned on the Federalists.

If you watch the video I linked to at #94, you’d know that the Novorossiyan people are way past federalism.
BTW, that video doesn’t have any narration, and appears to be assembled from short videos that got posted on YouTube. I think it’s well worth for everyone to watch, and to recommend to other people. It has interviews with Ukrainians, both from Kiev and from Donbass; other than that, it has a lot of dead bodies torn apart by the junta’s bombs, with the full support of the Empire. Not a single rebel appears in the video.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 29 2014 4:00 utc | 98

@somebody #99:
Honestly, I think that Germany and France joining Russia in making a public announcement that Washington and Kiev were responsible for the downing of MH17 would be a more effective way of stopping a hot war.
I think that what is driving USG behavior is not the assumption that they can win a nuclear war – American elites are not crazy, just demonic (to use a favorite concept over at the Saker), but an ever increasing desperation that no matter what the Empire throws at Russia, it still does not back down.
This is a cornered, wounded animal blindly thrusting at its perceived threat, not the White House and the Pentagon having coolly decided that it is in the best interests of the United States to have a nuclear war with Russia right now.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 29 2014 4:29 utc | 100