Ukraine: Reuters Interviews Benedict Arnold: "Rebels Had BUK, Downed MH17"
Updated below
Reuters is currently running a sensational story headlined Exclusive: Ukraine rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile". There is a big problem with the story. The man in question is not a "rebel commander" and had recently changed sides. He is the Ukrainian Benedict Arnold. About a week ago the federalists had removed him (and a few others) from all positions because they had secretly tried to give control of Donetsk to the coup-government.
The Reuters lede:
A powerful Ukrainian rebel leader has confirmed that pro-Russian separatists had anti-aircraft missiles of the type Washington says were used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.In an interview with Reuters, Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok Battalion, acknowledged for the first time since the airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine on Thursday that the rebels did possess the BUK missile system.
He also indicated that the BUK may have originated in Russia and could have been sent back to remove proof of its presence.
If true that tale would surely fit the story the U.S. administration is peddling but for which it has no evidence.
The New York Times portrait Khodakovsky on June 4 and this part of it is very telling:
In an interview, Mr. Khodakovsky said that he was largely autonomous, that he coordinated on some matters with other separatist military commanders and that he would even turn against the separatist government “if the interests of the politicians and the people diverge.”
Also of interest:
Mr. Khodakovsky declined to provide more information about the militia’s financing or the sources of its weapons.He denied rumors that he was being backed financially by Rinat Akhmetov, a Donetsk-based oligarch who is arguably the region’s most powerful man, but who has recently taken a strong stance against the separatists. He did say that he had told Mr. Akhmetov once that they have “similar interests” in preserving order.
Despite that denial it had been long acknowledged that the Vostok Battalion Khodakovsky was once leading was founded and paid for by the east-Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov.
Ahkmetov has made a deal with Kiev, changed his stand and turned against the federalist.
In July some parts of the federalists in Donetsk, those alligned with Ahkmetov, started an internal coup against the federalists. They made a secret deal with the coup-government and where about to give up control over Donetsk. Shortly thereafter that whole groups was purged. The (long) internal story behind this is available here, On Political Perspectives of Novorossia, and one core fact, which Reuters does not mention, is this:
The failure of the "defeatist party" with the surrender of Donetsk (currently effectively all involved are removed from any meaningful political levers in the DPR – Lukyanchenko, Khodakovsky, Pozhidayev – there is also currently unconfirmed information about the possible resignation of Mr. Pushilin) didn't lead to their extinction. ...
Khodakovsky and the others no longer belong to the federalists. They no longer hold federalist positions. Khodakovsky allegedly fled. They have (together with the oligarch Akhmetov) changed sides and made their deal with Kiev.
Now tell me: how reliable are claims by one Benedict Arnold, a man paid by the "enemy" to hand over a federalist city to the imperial regime? Especially when the traitor's claims completely fit the likely false story the CIA advised coup-government in Kiev is trying to plant about the downing of the flight MH-17?
Besides all that, notice that the man Reuters interviewed does not even claim to ever have seen the alleged BUK system. All he is providing is hearsay:
"That BUK I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back."
I also heard a lot of things and sometimes I think something. But such does not provide factual knowledge and no court would accept is a proof.
As it leaves out the most important fact, the interviewed guy is no longer with the federalists but now works for Kiev, the Reuters interview is just a part of the U.S. managed information campaign against the federalists and against Russia. Unfortunately few will ever hear of that and are therefore likely to believe the false claims.
Update:
RIA now has (in Russian) a somewhat fishy denial of the Reuters interview by an anonymous spokesperson of Khodakovsky. Machine translation:
Donetsk, July 23 - RIA Novosti. Battalion commander "East" Alexander Khodakovsky denies that he spoke in an interview with Reuters on the alleged use of militias in eastern Ukraine system "Buk", said RIA Novosti on Wednesday a source close to the commander."I did not say anything like" Reuters "and I have a recording of a conversation" - quoted the spokesman Khodakovskogo words.
Posted by b on July 23, 2014 at 18:45 UTC | Permalink
next page »All he is providing is hearsay- fits right in with what comes out of Washington and Kiev
He's perfect!
He has to keep all eyes on the lie of SAM firing by rebels
As opposed to the Ukrainian jets that most probably shot the plane down
he is keeping the bullshit narrative going that started before MH17 fell from the sky
The bullshit narrative being 'rebel' brought the plane down
IMO They didn't
james #1
It doesn't have to stick because that's all you'll hear about and there will no correction to the story at a later date.
Yep, bs but the so-called liberal corp. owned media doesn't do facts.
Thanks b
Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 23 2014 19:44 utc | 3
Boy this Khodakovsky character is amazing. I had not idea how close those guys were to surrendering the Donbas to the coup government until reading that Cassad piece linked above. It makes Strelkov's accomplishments even larger than they first appeared. I was also not aware of how much the anti-Putin left opposition in Moscow have been using Ukraine to pursue their political goals. What an incredibly complex political landscape where it is nearly impossible for outsiders to identify the good guys from the bad guys. Nothing like all out war to force people to choose which side they are on.
It is also encouraging to see that the rebel militias have not been distracted by this KM17 disaster -- they seem to be back at work shooting down Ukrainian bombers and protecting Donetsk and Lughansk from Ukie aggression.
Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 23 2014 19:45 utc | 4
The interview claims several facts none very comforting to the Ukrainian government should this become official narrative
a) Ukranians knew rebels had a Buk
b) Ukrainians intentionally provoked the shooting of the airliner
As Russia keeps a studied distance from the rebels they might as well embrace this narrative
Frankly b, from the article you quote, the "defeatist party" would save a lot of lives finding an agreement with Kyiv, whilst the "war party" seems intent on installing a Russian puppet government on the corpses of the people of Donetsk. As is, this seems to be an inner Russian political conflict where Putin is not in the driving seat.
Defeatism of all sides might save the world.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 23 2014 19:47 utc | 5
Again, the fucking bullshit and nonsense from the war criminal US NEVER EVER FUCKING STOPS. EVER.
It doesn't matter if what they say doesn't make sense, if it is completely contradicted by facts, defies the laws of physics, decency, shame, etc etc, they will never stop fucking telling murderous lies until they are dead or in prison.
It's a fool's errand for rational/conscientious people to approach/deal with the US with even a modicum of respect/credulity expecting that deep down in the Establishment there's a "there there" or someone will finally come clean and tell it like it is.
No.
These fucking murderous criminals are all-in for long haul because their war crimes are too legion/blatant for there to be any forgiveness/clemency for their actions.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 23 2014 19:47 utc | 6
I wonder if this attempt by CIA/Ukraine will lead to more support for the federalists from Russia. It seems that Strelkov is pretty disappointed with the materiel they've been granted compared to what the Ukrainians have.
Maybe Russia was waiting for a corps of reliable fighters to rely on? I have no idea.
Posted by: Crest | Jul 23 2014 20:11 utc | 7
This whole story keeps getting murkier and murkier. I don't believe the USA is going to stop until they have something on Russia.
Posted by: Amber Carey | Jul 23 2014 20:17 utc | 8
Gabriel Gatehouse
I just spoke to Alexander Khodakovsky. Denies all the details in the @ReutersWorld story (http://reut.rs/1sSjkzk ) Says "misunderstood" Odd
https://twitter.com/ggatehouse/status/492030449913696258
Posted by: jv | Jul 23 2014 20:25 utc | 9
on this occasion, I have to give a big thanks to b for his work in finding and filtering sources, often in almost real-time (saw the khodakowsky "story" this afternoon in the guardian, then the correction / evaluation on MoA, and only now is it taking place in german online papers!).
In these times, where it's getting more and more obvious, that there's no such thing as morals or objectivity in the mainstream media, but only propaganda vs. propaganda, it's immeasurably important to have some voices/sites that try to uncover some of the worst lies. thanks so much for your work and energy you put in this. It's so important.
Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 23 2014 20:25 utc | 10
Somebody #6. Your pacifism is dully noted. This war in the Donbas was started by the junta regime. After Poroshenko was elected it was possible to avoid war if he was interested in serious negotiations with the people in Donetsk and Lughansk. However, after his election he did not appoint new ministers to his government and instead left in the neo-Nazi ministers of the coup government. Then he launched the military invasion. The defeatist elements in Donbas were the oligarch controlled forces that were trying to cut a deal to preserve their status. This was not a deal for the people of Donbas. If they wish to preserve their culture, war is the only option right now.
Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 23 2014 20:32 utc | 11
J Sorrentine @7
"Again, the fucking bullshit and nonsense from the war criminal US NEVER EVER FUCKING STOPS. EVER."
Au contraire the bullshit flows thicker and faster as Kiev claims that Russia shot down the 2 Sukhois.
Yup, that is the new version of truthiness emanating from the junta in Kiev, I kid you not.
The story looks to be just making the rounds now
Lie, lie again
Posted by: Crest | Jul 23, 2014 4:11:28 PM | 8
Eastern Ukrainian rebels are destabilizing for Russia as for Ukraine. Refugee streams, too.
Russia calling for immediate cease fire
Next step - UN peace keepers. German politicians - including Steinmeier - plus Klitschko are already calling for that.
I do wonder if these peace keepers will be Russian.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 23 2014 20:41 utc | 13
Yesterday The Saker had a post from "Colonel Cassad" about the Strelkov breakout from Slovyansk and how it put the kibosh on the deal to sell out the DPR/LPR to the oligarchs. Khodavosky and others associated with the oligarch Akhmetov were purged.
In the night of July 4th-5th, the Militia effected a successful breakout, sustaining only minimal casualties. In doing this, Strelkov thwarted the secret negotiations being conducted between Surkov’s people and the people of Akhmetov and Kolomoiskiy (through Kurginyan’s people). The gist of these negotiations was an attempt by near-Kremlin circles to coordinate with the Ukrainian oligarchs the question of a “large Transnistria,” to be fashioned out of the Lugansk and the Donetsk Republics, at the head of which would have been Oleg Tsaryov, with a part of the financing flows feeding the South-East being locked on him.In these contacts were implicated the mayor of Donetsk, Lukjanchenko (who has since fled to Kiev), the speaker of the Novorossiya Parliament, Pushilin (since dismissed from his position of his own volition), DPR minister of State Security, Khodakovskiy (since dismissed from his position as a minister, with Batallion Vostok having been transformed into a brigade and operationally subordinated to Strelkov’s staff), and police general Pozhidayev (the local command of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was purged almost immediately after the arrival of Strelkov’s brigade in Donetsk). All these people were, in one way or another, connected to Akhmetov. Antjufeev was sent to cleanse the upper echelons of DPR, following which a series of dismissals took place.
Cassad said that once this happened "hostilities across the entire front sharply activated," and you had the indiscriminate use of artillery against civilians in Luhansk and Donetsk while the Western media was busy blaming Putin for downing MH17.
In addition to the junta's war against Novorossiya, there is also a war between Ukrainian oligarchs unfolding, for instance between Kolomoisky and Akhmetov.
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 23 2014 20:54 utc | 14
Honestly Russia needs to take this way more seriously. It's not enough to impeach this clown's fairytale. Russian Intel needs to recruit a Ukie officer who says a SU 25 was tailing MH17 and this was a common Ukie tactic. They need to find a Ukie air traffic control dude to say he heard the pilot of MH17 say he's being tailed. You just can't play defense against these guys. You have to hit back hard and repeatedly. You have to make them really scared their false flag bullshit is going to come unglued. Maybe it won't but I guarantee if the Russians start playing hardball these guys will get scared. Maybe they'll think twice before killing a few hundred people to start a war. Or maybe not. But it sure is worth a try.
Posted by: Lysander | Jul 23 2014 20:55 utc | 15
@ToivoS #12:
Absolutely. This was a civil war even before Poroshenko got "elected".
As I remarked early on, in a civil war, there is so much inhumaniy by at least one of the sides, that ending it through negotiation is not an option. One side or the other must obtain a decisive victory.
The Novorossians agreeing to rejoin the former Ukaine would amount to mass suicide, since the junta will conduct mass arrests, steal Novorossians' land and homes, put them in death camps, conduct ethnic cleansing, etc.
The only way to end the current crisis is to dismantle the Ukraine. The existence of a Ukrainian state is now identical with Ukrainian racist fascism being a vital, active force. Ukieland must be broken up to bring peace back to Europe.
This is very good news:
There is now a German version of the Vineyard of the Saker.
There were already French and Russians versions of the blog, but Germany is a bigger country than France, and there are plenty of Russian-language blogs to keep apprised of events in Novorossia and the former Ukraine.
This is "flash" propaganda. It is not intended to convince just to confuse.
That is the way that the Empire works now. Public opinion does not need convincing because the public doesn't have a vote. It has the capacity to prevent the ruling class from acting but only by taking action itself.
To prevent that from happening, to prevent opinion gelling rationally, there is the Panopticon which allows dissident currents to be nipped in the bud-or earlier.
In the meantime this propaganda pours out, to confuse people, to create doubt, make them question their own judgement and, in the end, their sanity.
And, while people wonder "whodunnit," Donetsk will be bombed, battalions of mercenaries in tanks will pour into it, under cover of white phosphorous and gas attacks, it will be Gaza on the Don. Then, in five years time it will be Baghdad all over again, with death squads slinking like rats between the ruins and millions of refugees eating rations in huts over the Russian border.
And historians will be telling us that the airliner blew up in the air, that there was a Lockerbie style bomb in the luggage compartment and that the matter was never in real doubt, every radar system in Europe followed its descent.
By then there will be tens of millions unemployed, destitute and trembling on the edge of starvation, drifting across Europe looking for scraps from the castellated communities in which a tiny wealthy minority live, always in need of thugs to protect them and women to enslave. Just like the oligarchs running Ukraine today-plunderers and traffickers, so vicious that they even surprise Uncle Sam, their sponsor, who thought that he'd seen everything, between Vietnam, Colombia, Honduras and the brothers in arms behind Operation Condor.
And like the Gulf of Tonkin incident and a thousand other spectacular distractions, this Malaysian airliner will be confused in the public memory with the last one, and the one which carried Cuba's fencing team and the perpetrators will be living prosperous and long lives in Miami.
But not in Tel Aviv because that won't be there anymore.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 23 2014 21:27 utc | 18
@9 "This whole story keeps getting murkier and murkier. I don't believe the USA is going to stop until they have something on Russia."
<< This whole story keeps getting murkier and murkier. I don't believe the USA is going to stop.>>
There. I fixed it for you.
I hope Putin realizes that the sanctions and the pressure will never, ever stop -- not if he guns down the Donbass fighters himself and not if he gives back the Crimea on a platter. The only way the US will ever stop, is if those things happen AND Putin steps down AND his successor makes a trip to Washington to grovel before Russia's new masters. The US never stops sanctions short of complete capitulation.
Posted by: shargash | Jul 23 2014 21:58 utc | 19
#17 I know. I disagreed with you at the time but events have shown you correct.
Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 23 2014 22:07 utc | 20
Methinks the WMSM doth protest too much, vis a vis, yellow journalism!
Russia seems to have played it exactly right with that military press conference. (The Saker was horrified by the lack of glitz in the presentation.)
The USG had to respond somehow, and the response was (to quote the Saker) "The most pathetic case of backpedaling I have seen in my life".
Of course, although it denies that it has reliable information about who shot the plane down, US intelligence probably has a pretty good idea, but can't say, because it is the side USG is backing.
By the looks of Google News, in a week, Americans will already have forgotten that a plane was shot down in the former Ukraine.
@23
I would not call it back peddling, I would call it stepping to the side and continuing on as if facts mean nothing,
Posted by: Demian | Jul 23, 2014 6:28:21 PM | 23
just as they have almost forgotten they shot down an iranian jetliner in 1988
Posted by: brian | Jul 23 2014 22:51 utc | 24
@25 brian
I remember the 1988 shoot-down of the Iranian airliner and the US propaganda that it was staged by Iran to make America look bad. I also remember the US govt claiming that Iran had emptied out their morgues and the plane only had dead bodies on it.
Posted by: Forgetful | Jul 23 2014 23:23 utc | 25
The Group of Bloggers Unearthing MH17 Intel Quicker Than U.S. Spies
Perhaps b could do a write-up about dumbass Higgins on Bellingcat, his new website to promote the work of other investigative citizen journalists and to teach others about the tools they use. The site is currently raising money on Kickstarter.
@27
The greatest quote from the piece about this fascist bootlicking fucking moron and his crack team of investigators:
Higgins was one of the first independent observers to confirm that the regime of Syria's Bashar al-Assad had indeed used chemical weapons in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta in August of last year, and he exposed Syrian arms trafficking from his house in Leicester, UK. Now, he wants to support others who are doing the same kind of work, and teach those who want to obtain similar skills."It's important to note these investigations were done by a variety of people, showing the importance of making open source investigation tools and techniques available to anyone," Higgins wrote in a blog post on Wednesday. "This is what Bellingcat is about."
#opensource#fucking#fail#
What, you guys get kicked out of Amnesty? Or is this your new "assignment"? Holy fuck that it is sad.
Hey everyone, just like how it's totally sexy and cool a la FEMEN and Pussy Riot to be mindless fucking idiots supporting war criminal atrocities now YOU TOO can be a super-sleuth and show how the asinine US/Western narratives concerning, well, EVERYTHING, are always on the money. Nudge wink. Don't forget to donate!
Holy fuck.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 23 2014 23:45 utc | 27
@Oui #27:
I think b has more important things to write about than marginal right-wing nutjobs.
Thanks for alerting us to the existence of this Higgins and his network of "citizen journalists", however.
I know ripping on Brown Moses - a Frank Zappa pseudonym should have been everyone's first fucking clue - is like squashing a legless retarded frog but I had to just go and see how his Wiki's been updated what with all of his recent "scoops".
3 cheers from some of MOA's favorite sources!!!
1) "Brown Moses is among the best out there when it comes to weapons monitoring in Syria," said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch.
2) New York Times war reporter CJ Chivers said that fellow journalists should be more honest about the debt they owe to Higgins' Brown Moses blog. "Many people, whether they admit or not, have been relying on that blog's daily labour to cull the uncountable videos that circulate from the conflict," he said.
3) Amnesty International said that the Brown Moses Blog was vital in proving the Syrian regime was using ballistic missiles, information then used to send a research mission to Syria.[8]
Squish.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 23 2014 23:56 utc | 29
There is now a German version of the Vineyard of the Saker.
And a Hebrew one is just around the corner.
Heads Russia Wins, Tails Ukraine Loses
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 24 2014 0:40 utc | 30
@#31,
You know, I find it somewhat sad that your internet handle is derived by a rearrangement of the name of one of J.D. Salinger's principal characters, namely Holden Caulfield, who features in his novel, The Catcher In The Rye. Ol' Holden's pet peeve was his gut level detestation of phoniness. Apparently, you suffer from no such qualms; rather, you embrace phoniness with open arms. Pitiful.
Sehr ironisch, nicht wahr?
Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Jul 24 2014 0:54 utc | 31
@Cold #31:
Oh come on, you know that MoA and VotS aren't "anti-American". That's a cheap shot. They're anti-Empire.
There are a lot of Americans on these sites, and to call those people "anti-American" is pretty McCarthian.
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 23, 2014 4:54:35 PM | 15
Yep, that is the point, there are not just two sides, there are private armies, and others.
Last time I checked, Russia Today said "militia". Also "self defense forces". It is not clear, if Russia is in control of any of this. It is bound to be inner Russian/Ukrainian politics, so Putin has an inner political problem, too.
Same on both sides. The National Guard, is not Kolomoisky's private army, is not Ukraines mobilized army.
So who is trying to get rid of whom is unclear. It has spiralled out of any control. Klitscho, the mayor of Kiev is now in German media asking for UN Troops. He does not seem to be in control of the administrative buildings of Kiev.
Poroshenko's "mobilization" is like Gaddafi's giving everybody weapons. They are still fighting over Tripoli's airport and oil rigs today.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 24 2014 1:19 utc | 33
Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Jul 23, 2014 8:54:44 PM | 32
You do realise that Cold N. Holefield is Morocco Bama's latest sock puppet persona don't you?
Posted by: Salinger's Ghost | Jul 24 2014 2:19 utc | 34
"I wonder if this attempt by CIA/Ukraine will lead to more support for the federalists from Russia."
If things work out anything like Syria - where many decades old CIA tactics like working through gangsters and criminals, encouraging gruesome terror tactics like torture and beheadings, and perpetrating obvious black ops like the Ghouta attacks finally, finally worked against them - then it won't be long until the American people start to see through the propaganda and begin supporting both Russia and the Eastern rebels. And in fact, I think it was clear since Syria and before the "free & liberal press" began censoring reader comments, that they already do see through this bullshit.
The US public opinion is getting a little out of control. Having flipped the script on America so fast after the disaster of George W. Bush, the malfeasance and destruction of the Republicans is still firmly in peoples minds (the same group that has lost all illusions they ever had about Obama). This group exists alongside a growing number who totally are disgusted with Obama's rule for a whole range of reasons.
Usually you've had a group doing well, and a group on the defensive - now the American public is just a throbbing mass of anger and disappointment - except for the very very rich.
........
Brown Moses is awful, but unfortunately we can look forward to many clones of him. He is precisely what the ruling class is pining their hopes on in the future propaganda war. This is VICE Media. This is hipster news driven not by facts, but by sensation, cult of personality and social media. You can actually be a "follower" of the journalist/rock star/blogger/humanitarian who is reporting to you from "the ground" and the best part is... they're individualistic rebels just like you!
And of course it's total balls and utterly manipulative. And we'll get less and less "news" (such as it ever was) and more and more "independently unverifiable statements", YouTube videos, and the conjecture of phony "experts" who are necessarily on one side of the conflict (and that will always be "our side") and will be carefully handled by the intelligence services they'll have to rely on for their safety.
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 24 2014 2:25 utc | 35
Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Jul 23, 2014 8:54:44 PM | 32
yes Hold and cold in the head is the epitome of phoniness
Posted by: brian | Jul 24 2014 2:51 utc | 36
I also remember the US govt claiming that Iran had emptied out their morgues and the plane only had dead bodies on it.
Posted by: Forgetful | Jul 23, 2014 7:23:19 PM | 26
funny you should say that
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/russian-commander-bodies-dead-for-days-before-flight-took-off-2995572.html
its de ja vu all over again!
Posted by: brian | Jul 24 2014 2:54 utc | 37
@36 Hipsters defending their class interests. It's a whole new world of playcation. Or not---what is AI and HRW, after all, other than playcation building of the social heading of their CVs/Resumes, so that they can apply for (NED/IRI/CIDA) grant funding in those benighted poor countries?
And these sick fucks torture those who survive the death squads.
Show me an NGO, and I'll show you a GONGO.
Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jul 24 2014 3:09 utc | 38
Back on topic (although it's always nice to see VICE and hipsters in general dissed):
If the junta thought that their MH17 black flag psy-op would make the rebels bashful about downing Ukie jets, they were wrong. Two more SU-25's were shot down today.
This war is getting to look like most wars, very stupid. The only thing the Yukie military has shown an aptitude for is killing unarmed innocent civilians by various means, mostly shelling, and for destroying infrastructure by the same means. They do not seem to have much of a will to directly engage the enemy. Thus they will never be able to take Donbass without leveling its cities.
I read today that the junta announced that all men aged 45 and younger are up for conscription. Is this really what western Ukes want? They will just end up as cannon fodder. Do they even know what they would be fighting for? To "Ukrainize" Russians. Are more than say 10% of western Ukrainians that committed to such a silly, fascist project?
The quickest way for this war to end would be for western Ukrainians to agree that it is not worth dying for a silly nationalistic idea.
Anyone ever get the impression this whole mess is managed by organised oligarchs as a "good cop, bad cop" scenario? Here in the US, this scam works just fine with the Republican vs. the Democrats myth. When in fact, the movers and shakers in both parties work for the same class, and that's NOT the working class. As wages plummet around the globe, who speaks for the workers?
Posted by: ben | Jul 24 2014 4:32 utc | 40
We can all recall that after the US/Turkish Ghouta - operation/atrocity, there were all kinds of "reliable witnesses" and "damning evidences" that were complete and quite absurd fabrications. Pictures of rocket trails that no one was a allowed to see, etc, so on. This will be no different at all. Syria turned out to be the run up to Ukraine, but in reverse.. Both will end up like Somalia. Unlike in Syria I don't think the Junta has any supporters among the people, only hostages. Its as if the normal everyday people of Ukraine have all been hidden away somewhere in a locked cellar with gags on their mouths). Not that it would do any good if they did allow a free press to come in to find the truth, THERE IS NO FREE PRESS LEFT.
Sloth and Looey and Coldn and any others who support this abomination from the pro US , Pro Junta, Pro imperialist side, are what we all deserve for allowing our own "coup government" and its criminally dishonest corporate media to get a way with it. We have that in common with the people of Ukraine, we are nothing but hostages.
Posted by: Marc | Jul 24 2014 4:45 utc | 41
@ ben @ 41
Unless we, the workers, start "speaking" for ourselves - no one .
Posted by: Marc | Jul 24 2014 4:47 utc | 42
@ben #41:
I think it works differently in the US and in Europe. In the US, the people are told: You have no power. All you get to choose is between Coke and Pepsi. In Europe, politicians tell their citizens: We have no power. Our hands are tied. There is no alternative. America is our indispensable ally.
Donetsk. 07/24/2014-01:56
Strelkov:
At present time, battles continue under settlements Marinovka and Dubrovka. Our artillery targets positions and gatherings of opponent’s personal and equipment. In area of customs terminal “Marinovka”, near settlement Tarani, also settlement Grigoryevka – multitude of conflagrations – in flames are the auto-transport and armor of Ukrainians. The enemy artillery is practically suppressed.During yesterday and today, our casualties under Marinovka, Kozhevnya, Dubrovka account for about 50 people (mainly wounded) , 2 tanks, 2 armored infantry carriers, 1 armored personal carrier. A commander of unit “Oplot”, who personally led battle for Kozhevnya, was wounded in hand yesterday. He is A. Zakharchenko - a deputy of the Minister of internal affairs. (Today he was awarded with a military rank of “major”).
Losses of the opponent are multiple of ours. Particularly many casualties are among personal. Heavy losses were inflicted on a newly arrived battalion of nazi-skunks of “Azov”. The opponent immensely demoralized, yet continues to cling at the “corridor”, which in some places is narrower than 1 km).
Between settlements Konstantinovka and Novomikhaylovka (south-west of settlement Mar`inka on western outskirts of Donetsk), a reconnaissance group “Ptitsa” (“Bird”) from ranks of 2nd Slavyansk infantry battalion blew up, by remotely controlled mines, 2 “KAMAZs” (trucks) with infantry of the opponent. Yesterday in same area, the group destroyed a moving to an assault position “Grad” system (salvo rockets).
Battles are under way for settlement Blagodatnoye (north of Amvrosievka). The opponent again attacked by 4 tanks and 4 carriers. In course of the battle, our maneuver groups from ranks of 4th company of 3rd Semionovskiy infantry battalion destroyed 1 armored carrier. The experienced commander (“Kozir`” (“Trump”)) exploited a prescribed tactic of dodging defending block-posts or fortified installations, if opponent armored forces are clearly greater. Instead a nimble battle is diverted into urbanized area of or “foliage”, emphasizing elimination of the personal. Very often, the opponent painfully reacts on such tactic and retreats. Would this work today the night will show.
Despite attacks, the opponent was not able to gain neither settlement Gorlovka nor Debal`tsevo. Thank to timely abandoning city Lisichansk by the main forces of commander Mozgovoy, the opponent was helpless to briskly take over the agglomeration of Pervomaysk-Stakhanov-Alchevsk, a site of very modest combatant forces. Now, the National Guard will have to engage in heavy battles to gain the territory. Mozgovoy has done one important thing – his maneuver plugged a practically “naked” stretch of front.
Also, I would want to note the valor and selflessness of commander “Leshiy” (“Goblin”) and his combatants, who is for two days already defending Lisichansk by very small forces, buying us time to build defense on new frontiers. I hope at right time he will break through the combat ranks of the opponent.
Posted by: Fete | Jul 24 2014 4:57 utc | 44
I am more surprised that people, even here, think he is speaking the truth, obviously hes getting paid by the oligarchs to say this bs.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24 2014 6:51 utc | 45
Posted by: sitoaurora | Jul 24 2014 6:54 utc | 46
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24, 2014 2:51:29 AM | 46
How do all these Ukrainian planes get shot down? All manpads?
This here on July 14 was reported as more powerful than manpad by BBC.
The BBC is quoting Ukrainian officials
A Ukrainian military transport aircraft has been shot down in the east, amid fighting with pro-Russian separatist rebels, Ukrainian officials say.They say the An-26 plane was hit at an altitude of 6,500m (21,325ft).
The plane was targeted with "a more powerful missile" than a shoulder-carried missile, "probably fired" from Russia. The crew survived, reports say.
Russia has made no comment. Separately, Nato reported a Russian troop build-up near the Ukraine border.
A Nato official confirmed to the BBC that the alliance had observed a significant increase of Russian troops, bringing their number to up to 12,000.
Russia denies supporting and arming the separatists, and has invited officials from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) to monitor its border with Ukraine.
Ukraine should have closed its airspace for civilian flights over the Donetsk area, they did not. This is going to haunt them.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 24 2014 7:40 utc | 47
@47, something similar here with this Daily Mail article,the best are the comments, lambasting the paper for falsifying their news, read the comments rather then the article. URL shortened daily mail
Posted by: papa | Jul 24 2014 7:43 utc | 48
No he denies he said anything like that to reuters
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/posts/1523487097874637
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24 2014 7:56 utc | 49
Actually what he is saying according to Reuters is very important and may be the reason the US is fudging the evidence.
"And that day, they were intensively flying, and exactly at the moment of the shooting, at the moment the civilian plane flew overhead, they launched air strikes. Even if there was a BUK, and even if the BUK was used, Ukraine did everything to ensure that a civilian aircraft was shot down."
So Ukraine had a military operations zone with a zone for civilian airplanes above, and for their own safety pilots used the shadow of civilian planes for military raids, as they knew the rebels would avoid targeting civilian planes.
And in all likelihood this was coordinated by air traffic control.
There is a video from June describing exactly this scenario in Slaviansk.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 24 2014 8:10 utc | 50
Eastern Ukraine is a vortex of plausible deniability: people and stuff are being moved about, nobody knows who is in control or who they are supporting.
Which all ensures chaos for months or years to come...
Posted by: ralphieboy | Jul 24 2014 8:30 utc | 51
Also the guy say he belongs to the federalists, b on the other hand say he changed side?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24 2014 9:07 utc | 52
Posted by: somebody | Jul 24, 2014 4:10:34 AM | 51
All is revealed!
See: Khodakovskiy: Reuters Article Contains False Statements About Militia and #MH17 and Video Proves It
Posted by: william bowles | Jul 24 2014 9:56 utc | 53
Khodakovsky Denies Statement on Buk Missile
Ukrainian rebel Khodakovsky's interview about SAM "Buk" Интервью Ходаковского о Буке. [Interview Khodakovskogo Boquete]{I can't verify the correct translation in the video, nor find info about source GWTZ news - Oui}
Крушение "Боинга": командир сепаратистов опроверг свое заявление о "Буке"
[The crash of the "Boeing": Separatist commander denied his statement "Boquete"]
A while ago I read that in June and July there is/was a series of NATO maneurvers testing cyber warfare. It seems to have cause communication disruptions for air traffic in some areas when the maneurvers were held. I forgoten about that. Today I read a commenter in die Zeit that on the day of the crash in the Ukraine it was the last day of a nato maneuver in or near the Ukraine also testing cyber warfare. Unfortunately there was no link and I am still not that great with google.
I found this in German “Elektronischer Kampf” auf Abwegen: Brachte ein NATO-Manöver 57 zivile Flugzeuge in Gefahr? | netzpolitik.org but nothing with the maneuvers in or near Ukraine last week.
Has anyone else heard about this - could this have been also involved in the crash. I guess as a conspiracy theory it would be as good as any.
Posted by: Fran | Jul 24 2014 11:57 utc | 55
European Court of Human Rights awards €100,000 for detention in Poland
Those nice neocon supporters who are at the front of aggression in the Ukraine against Russian influence – see Radek Sikorski and Anne Applebaum. It couldn't happen to a nice buch of scum …
○ European court rules against Poland over secret CIA jail
"The European Court of Human Rights ruled on Thursday that the CIA ran a secret jail on Polish soil, a judgment that adds to pressure on the United States and its allies to reveal the truth about the global programme for detaining al Qaeda suspects.
The court case was brought by two men, Saudi-born Abu Zubaydah, and Saudi national Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who alleged they were flown in secret to a CIA-run jail in a Polish forest and subjected to treatment that amounted to torture."
So Ukraine had a military operations zone with a zone for civilian airplanes above, and for their own safety pilots used the shadow of civilian planes for military raids, as they knew the rebels would avoid targeting civilian planes.
Right, and if you read my most recent blog post, we see that Russia is still very much embedded in all of Ukraine proper. Kiev is highly infiltrated by Moscow, especially the military. So, it's not unreasonable to conclude that Moscow arranged this since it controls both proxies in this conflict and "The West" stands by and allows itself to be the Fall Guy when it has provided very little in the form of tangible and practical aid to Kiev.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 24 2014 13:17 utc | 57
Wapo declares ;Russians living in an alternate reality,with their own facts.OMG,the hypocrisy and pathetic finger pointing,when the whole world outside of MSM influence thinks differently.(Other than the homnazis,feminazis and Zionazis,)
NYTs says;The world doesn't like Israeli policies,but Americans do.This American patriot hates our policies,and believes that alleged patriots like CH are actually traitors,moles and quislings with agendas of one the above nazis.
Personal experience yesterday with a hater,he disparaged the internet and facts,screaming he doesn't care about facts,in a rage,after I said why would Russia purposely blow up a Malaysian airliner?Phew,captured in a false narrative must be frustrating.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 24 2014 13:48 utc | 58
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Aleksandr Zhilin, a Russian Air Force Colonel from Moscow, offers now a short write-up with a map of the very last moment of the MH17 flight with the indication of a sharp 180 degree U-turn following the loss of its right engine after being hit by a R-60 air-to-air missile from a Ukrainian fighter jet. http://ai-zhilin.livejournal.com/1419422.html
Posted by: brian | Jul 24 2014 14:00 utc | 59
@Fran - #56
The next generation …
○ Raytheon: ASR-11 is the Next Generation Terminal Surveillance Radar
○ Ukroboronservice to upgrade additional Ukrainian S-300PS air defence system
Many signals can be manipulated both analog and digital, the letter in computer simulation creates its own fantasy world. Remember the Russian engineer who used his brains to disregard incoming US rockets as a false radar signal. He avoided nuclear disaster. Someone had switched on a simulation program!
Incoming rockets, arm missiles for interception, retaliate, retaliate ... attack, attack! This was a test.
Yats resigns
http://www.trust.org/item/20140724144712-ipkg5/
h/t http://marknesop.wordpress.com/
Posted by: ruralito | Jul 24 2014 18:03 utc | 64
FYI…
“Here it is raw as received--a video published on July 24 is reportedly showing a surveillance recording made by a "meteorological satellite" of a Buk missille launch (supposedly against the MH17 Boeing) from the territory controlled by the Kiev regime on July 17. The landscape appears to fit the satellite imagery of the Ukrainian Buk missile battery 8 km south of Shatyorskoye as presented by the Russian Ministry of Defense on July 21.” (V. Suchan, FB)
Posted by: x | Jul 24 2014 18:08 utc | 65
@ruralito - #66
Thanks, great stuff .. what's going on?? Just saw the news item pass.
A few days ago there was a boxing match inside parliament, nothing out of the ordinary though. The great majority ganged up on a member representing the Russian-speaking east, a few fists were flying. A hero for speaking out.
Oui @63 thanks for the infomatione - and I agree they are up to something.
Posted by: Fran | Jul 24 2014 20:11 utc | 67
ZeroHedge is reporting that the Russian Duma has been recalled from its vacation because of the situation in Ukraine. Some are predicting a major shift in Russian policy:
The mere fact the Duma was allowed to break for summer vacation during a crisis as severe as this, shows the poor insight of Putin and that weasel Mededev. The strain is getting to Putin, while Igor Strelkov goes from strength to strength.Slavs like a leader who is fearless, military genius and defends the Church and Mother Russia.
Posted by: papa | Jul 24 2014 20:12 utc | 68
○ President's statement on factions' decision to pull out of coalition
(Office of the President) – The decision of two factions to pull out of coalition demonstrates that part of people's deputies do not clutch hold of their chairs, but feel the mood of voters and are guided by it. All public opinion polls as well as direct communication with people demonstrate that the society wants a complete reload of state power.
Still, I am confident that the decision of the people's deputies to pull out of coalition shouldn't paralyze the work of the Parliament. The Verkhovna Rada is obliged to further solve the issues of state importance: the law on amendments to the state budget the adoption of which is essential for the funding of our army which bravely defends our state today, the documents that define cooperation with international financial institutions etc.
I call on all people's deputies to work responsibly in the Parliament and to realize that Ukraine is currently struggling for its sovereignty, territorial integrity, existence of our state and the future of the people of Ukraine!
○ Arseniy Yatsenyuk resigns from post of Ukrainian prime minister
KIEV, July 24. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian parliament-appointed Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk announced his resignation on Thursday.
“In connection with the breakup of the parliamentary coalition, as well as non-adoption of a number of important bills, I announce my resignation,” Yatsenyuk said from the Verkhovna Rada’s rostrum. “What happened today in parliament will have very complicated, if not dramatic, consequences for the country,” he said. “It is good if I am mistaken.”
Rada speaker Alexander Turchinov told deputies to start consultations on the appointment of a technical prime minister.
The Guardian has a story on this:
Ukrainian prime minister Arseny Yatseniuk resigns
The Itar-Tass story is dated 10:52 EDT, but the resignation is still on the NY Time's front page, although there is a story "Ukraine Crisis is testing EU's resolve". Pathetic.
From same outlet as above unverified video …
Independent investigation - downed Tu-154 Oct. 4, 2001
Ren-TV. Live 3.10.2011
October 4, 2001 Tu-154, tail No. 85693, airline "Siberia", carrying out flight 1812 from Tel Aviv – Novosibirsk crashed into the Black Sea. According to the Interstate Aviation Committee, the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian missile accidentally released into the air as part of the Crimean peninsula conducted military exercises. All 66 passengers and 12 crew members were killed.
[Source: Wikipedia]
What does this mean for ukraine? Yatziuk was a western puppet as we all know. No change at all maybe?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24 2014 20:54 utc | 73
@Demian #73:
I meant "still not on the NY Time's front page". sorry.
This from the Guardian story, which is datelined Donetsk (yes, just "Donetsk" LOL What country is that in, I wonder?)
Arseniy Yatsenyuk, one of the leaders of the Maidan protests, was seen by many Ukrainians as a safe pair of hands, with his mild manner and intellectual demeanour. But he grew angry during Ukraine's parliamentary session as it failed to pass legislation to increase army financing and regulate the country's energy situation."History will not forgive us," he told parliament. "Our government now has no answer to the questions – how are we to pay wages, how are we tomorrow morning going to send fuel for armoured vehicles, how will we pay those families who have lost soldiers, to look after the army?"
In other words, the Ukraine's parliament is what Russians informally call a бардак (bardak (brothel) - a place of utter chaos).
Colonel Cassad:
The resignation of Yatsenyuk and dissolution of the Parliament (Yandex trans.)
Despite the fact that Americans firmly control the junta, not allowing her to collapse, the conflict between Poroshenko and Kolomoisky, as well as between Poroshenko and Tymoshenko is the place to be. And this conflict system. Of course, Kolomoisky and Tymoshenko explained that one should not blame Poroshenko now. Same thing with the fascist radicals headed Lyashko (behind which are the most frostbitten fascists) and Tiahnybok (which actually passed to the state apparatus in Western Ukraine).The election, scheduled for mid-autumn, to create a more controlled Parliament, eliminating the evil party (the Communist party of Ukraine and Party of Regions"), simultaneously introducing in Parliament hastily created the party itself Poroshenko, into which, like so much garbage, will run part of the former party of power, business, and criminal element. All this was happening against the background of the latent rivalry with the party Tymoshenko and her creature. The Americans explained Tymoshenko that she will not be President, but it remained Prime Minister Yatsenyuk and Parliament speaker Turchynov, i.e. formally posts # 2 and # 3.
Now Poroshenko deals a strike on these positions, destroying the coalition, leading to the resignation of Yatsenyuk and new elections, which will lead to a change for Turchynov.
You can wait for the official translation to come out at the English Colonel Cassad blog.
Wow. So now the Wall Street Journal, USA Today and others are reporting that Russia is firing artillery rounds into Ukraine. I haven't seen anything on RT refuting the claims.
"U.S. Says Russian Artillery Firing Across Border Into Ukraine, WSJ"
Washington Raises Pressure on Moscow, More Closely Examines Russian Activities in Ukraine
http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-says-russia-firing-across-border-into-ukraine-1406231618
From the WSJ: "For several days the Russians have been firing artillery into Ukraine," said Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman. "This is clearly a military escalation."
Also this from Harf the idiot: "We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions," Ms. Harf told reporters at a news briefing, calling the findings "some pieces of info I've been able to get from our intelligence friends."
Is this more nonsense she picked up on Facebook and you tube?
HA!
The US media has abandoned any pretense that they care about the truth.
The profusion of lies issuing from the State Dept is mindboggling.
Posted by: plantman | Jul 24 2014 21:28 utc | 76
plantman
Proof?
Probably a photoshopped image on Right Sektor's twitter.
US really want to start a war, sick people.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 24 2014 21:41 utc | 77
I ran across an English translation of a recent piece by Alexander Dugin on the Novorossiyan situation. In this piece he doesn't hide that Heidegger has a strong influence on him, despite Heidegger being a "European", not a "Russian", thinker.
Battle for the State, Russians Awaken!
Today, this question is particularly acute: what is the Russian State at the moment? Does it belong to its Narod [People, das Volk]? Or is it mechanical? This is the principal dilemma for Putin, personally, as the head if this State with a vague dual identity. The rise of patriotism in Russia, reunification with Crimea, and the confrontation with the West are all signs of a People’s—Narod’s presence. Cynical political technologists (political scientists), the all-powerful and constantly lying top-level managers, mad corruption, dominant Liberalism, anti-Narod oligarchy, Westernizing on the part of the intelligentsia and the elites all point to the State of death, the State of survival. Putin has been balancing on this narrow fence between the State of a People—Narod and that of the mechanical and alienated Liberal elite for the past 14 years. He kept taking steps in one direction, then another. Of course, without a certain kind of support for Novorossia, today’s picture—even if critically difficult—would not be possible. Were Putin solely on the side if a dead State, Russia Corp., he would have betrayed everything himself long ago. But this is not the case. He comprises the painful drama of the Russian Statehood and its nature, crucified between Narod and the elite (always dependent upon the mass of surviving idiots—idiots in the etymological sense of the word, that is private citizens, individuals). In other words, the picture is as follows: on the one side, Putin (=State) has Strelkov as an embodiment of Narod. This is Novorossia as a whole. These are Russians and all that is Russian. On the other side, there is the elite (Yurgens in all his expressions), bureaucracy (Government, Administration), and average citizens. This is a mechanical, contemporary, Liberal, and Western State—in any case, not Narod, and in a certain sense, anti-Narod. Putin stands in between. Not Putin personally, but rather the State, its meaning and nature. .Novorossia and its dramatic fate—specifically expressed in the stories of Strelkov, Gubarev, Mozgovoi, and others—which our Narod, Russians watch with bated breath—is one of Putin’s (Russia’s) paths. The other takes us in the direction of compromisers, blatant traitors, provocateurs, intrigue-makers, Liberals, and Westernizers (hidden or obvious), which use Russia’s duality in their own way. It is they that are the sixth column, which, in essence, is no different from the fifth one.
The piece apparently first appeared here, on 7 June.
Wonderful that RT is downplaying creepy news from USA/Ukr and concentrating on Gaza pogrom (c) Norman Pollack...
Posted by: Cortes | Jul 25 2014 1:10 utc | 79
Interesting comments by Demian 79.
The comments remind me of an op ed by right wing NY Times columnist David Brooks earlier in the year titled "Putin Can't Stop"
The article begins: "Even cynics like to feel moral. Even hard-eyed men who play power politics need to feel that their efforts are part of a great historic mission. So as he has been throwing his weight around the world, Vladimir Putin has been careful to quote Russian philosophers from the 19th and 20th centuries like Nikolai Berdyaev, Vladimir Solovyov and Ivan Ilyin."...
These philosophers often argued that the rationalistic, materialistic West was corrupting the organic spiritual purity of Russia. “The West exported this anti-Christian virus to Russia,” Ilyin wrote, “Having lost our bond with God and the Christian tradition, mankind has been morally blinded, gripped by materialism, irrationalism and nihilism.”
You can hear echoes of this moralistic strain in Putin’s own speeches, especially when he defends his regime’s attitude toward gays and the role of women. Citing Berdyaev, he talks about defending traditional values to ward off moral chaos. He says he is defending the distinction between good and evil, which has been lost in the outside world."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/opinion/brooks-putin-cant-stop.html?_r=0
I'm not religious, but it seems to me that the basis of Brooks criticism of Putin is simply that Putin is a reflective man who reads challenging books because he seriously believes in the future of his country and wants to do a good job as its leader.
Is that so bad? Wouldn't it be great if the US or Germany, France etc had a leader like that instead of the opportunistic scumbags who presently hold those positions?
I ask you, what other country has a leader as strong, reflective and dedicated as Putin?
No one. That's why his public approval ratings are in the stratosphere. That's why he has beaten Washington at every turn and made Obama, Kerry and Brzezinski look like utter fools. That's why the CIA will eventually try to kill him as they try to kill anyone who opposes their sick vision of a New world dystopia.
Whatever faults he may have, Putin is the real deal. He didn't want to take on the empire, but he hasn't backed down.
I admire him for that. And I hope he prevails, for all out sake.
Posted by: plantman | Jul 25 2014 3:06 utc | 80
@plantman #81:
Those aren't my comments; that's an excerpt from a recent essay by Dugin. ;-) Who was apparently fired from his post at Moscow State University. I had heard about that, but then heard that that decision had been revoked. I'll have to look into that.
To address your remarks, I'm not religious either, but I think that all the points Dugin makes had already been made by Hegel. I don't know why the Russian post-Soviet intelligentsia continues to ignore Hegel. Russian intellectuals like Dugin want an alternative to liberalism; well, Hegel already constructed one. Hegel's political philosophy combines the valid aspects of liberalism and conservatism, so it is just as much about attaining human freedom as it is about preserving traditional values.
As for Putin, I agree with you that he is "the real deal". Everyone was saying that during the euphoria which was experienced with the reunification of Crimea with Russia. And yes, since Putin is the Russian head of state and commander in chief, the focus is on him. But as Dugin is well aware, this is as much about the Russian people themselves as it is about Putin. Are the Russian people ready to stand up for themselves, as they did in World War II, when fascists tried to destroy Russia? Or have they been too weakened by ideological colonization by the Angloshpere (as was Germany after its defeat in 1945) to do that a second time?
Donetsk. 07/24/2014-23:19
Question: The combatants let wounded paratroopers of 79th airmobile brigade out of the “caldron”
Strelkov:
They do not surrender to us. They fear. They run to Russia’s territory. There, pals are “sweeties” - the wounded are evacuated. For those who are not wounded could hold on longer.
Question: About Cossacks
Strelkov:
We have almost none of them. At least those who are “Kozitsin’s” (Kozitsin is a commander). Here is “too hot”… one may be killed! They are “elite” – no way can they die same way as “ordinary combatants” do.
Question: Rumors that remains of Ukrainian military would attempt to break out of the “caldron” through Atrantsit and Krasniy Luch (settlements)
Strelkov:
They are poor in fuel... will have to break out on foot.
Russian">http://rusvesna.su/news/1406222350/">Russian Spring
Donetsk. 07/24/2014-21:19
Strelkov:
Fight is under way under settlement Marinovka, in village Blagodatnoye and in settlement Peski. The latter has been divided in “halves” between Ukranians and Cossack units, which are supported by the tanks of “Vostok” (commander Khodakovsky). I will present a summary in the evening.
Posted by: Fete | Jul 25 2014 4:26 utc | 82
Mmmm!Interessting, mmmm!
Das ukrainische Parlament hat am Donnerstag ein Gesetzentwurf über das Gastransportsystem abgelehnt. Das wurde in Kiew offiziell mitgeteilt.
Das Gesetz sollte der Regierung genehmigen, einen Betreiber des Gastransportnetzes der Ukraine ins Leben zu rufen, an dem Investoren aus den USA und der Europäischen Union bis zu 49 Prozent der Anteile kontrollieren würden. Für das Dokument votierten nur 94 Abgeordnete bei erforderlicher Zahl von 226 Stimmen.
Sorry couldn't find the english version - I am sure ria has one.
Posted by: Fran | Jul 25 2014 7:46 utc | 83
Another theory:
MOSCOW, July 25 (RIA Novosti) – A system mix up during a Ukrainian air defense units’ rocket launch exercise could be the cause of the Malaysia Airlines crash in southeast Ukraine, a source from one of the Ukrainian defense departments told RIA Novosti.
“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.
The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.
Posted by: Fran | Jul 25 2014 7:48 utc | 84
The Empire sucks so badly, that even the CIA is turning against it now:
HRW Warns Kiev of War Crimes in Grad Rockets Use
Human Rights Watch has urged Kiev to stop using unguided Grad rockets which it said have killed at least 16 civilians in four recent attacks, warning that firing such weapons at populated areas could amount to war crimes.The rights group yesterday said that both government forces and pro-Russian rebels have used Grads -- unguided rockets fired in salvos and sprayed across a wide area -- as they battle each other in eastern Ukraine.
Although Kiev has denied using the Soviet-designed systems around major cities, HRW said investigations into four attacks between July 12 and 21 in the insurgent-held industrial hub of Donetsk "strongly indicates that Ukrainian government forces were responsible for" firing the Grads.
Demian - could it be that the US is turning against the Ukraininan government, because the Rada voted down a new law that would have allowed the government to sell 49% of the gas pipeline to the US and the EU. That was my link at 84
I find it amazing that after all these months and thousends of deaths, now after the crash, all of a sudden the resigning of the PM HRW has finally the courage to report at list a little bit.
Posted by: Fran | Jul 25 2014 7:56 utc | 86
@Fran #84:
That's interesting. That may explain why Yatsenyuk unexpectedly decided to resign.
Don't worry about the German: all Europeans should know English, German, and Russian (and their local language of course, if it is not one of those three and is not Ukrainian or Latvian).
@Fran #85:
So now the Ukrainians are getting ready to admit that they shot MH15 down. Their excuse is going to be that it was an accident, I didn't mean it.
Demian @88 then I guess it is time for me to learn some Russian. :-)
Posted by: Fran | Jul 25 2014 8:07 utc | 88
@Fran #87:
I don't think that the USG could respond so quickly to an unfavored vote of the Rada.
My sense is that the CIA has become disgusted with the unprofessionalism (to use a Russian term) of the White House and the CIA, and with the mess that those two have made in the former Ukraine.
@Fran #89:
German is probably still my favorite language, although I have always thought, and probably still do, that Russian is the best living language for poetry.
I look at German as being a middle ground between English and Russian. That's one of the reasons I like it so much.
@Demian #90: Correction:
My sense is that the CIA has become disgusted with the unprofessionalism (to use a Russian term) of the White House and the CIA State Department
MSM credibility < 'zero'!
"I did notice that the BBC, now a reliable element of Washington’s Ministry of Propaganda, reported, as if it were true, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf’s claim that the Russian military is shelling Ukrainian forces. When Harf tried this out today on a roomful of journalists, they laughed her out of the room. Evidence, evidence! they demanded. “Why,” Harf was asked, “do you think something is made true by you saying it!?”"
Posted by: x | Jul 25 2014 9:04 utc | 92
@Demian
"Their excuse is going to be that it was an accident, I didn't mean it."
This is not going to go if THIS is anywhere close to the truth.
Unfortunately it also means that it will NEVER be acknowledged by the West.
Posted by: acrimonious | Jul 25 2014 9:16 utc | 94
Malaysia accused the U.S. of geopolitics on the blood and bones of passengers by AndrewCategory: War in the southeast
Malaysia accused the U.S. of geopolitics on the blood and bones of passengers
Malaysian authorities whose "Boeing-777" was shot down in the South-East of Ukraine broke and not wanting to continue to listen and see how the West makes political game in the blood and bones of their citizens, the United States firmly besieged. In particular, the leadership of Malaysia chastised Barack Obama for the accusations against Russia and the militia of New Russia.
"Prime Minister Najib Razak country made a statement at the opening of an emergency session of Parliament convened in connection with the tragedy of" Boeing-777 "- write the world's media.
They cite the words of the head of the Cabinet that Malaysia is "wrong and premature" U.S. performance "with the charges must wait for conclusive evidence about the causes of the passenger liner disaster in eastern Ukraine."
Despite the fact that the Prime Minister was aware of how his words discontent will cause the United States, he decided to blame America in geopolitics on the corpses of their countrymen. "Now there are so many issues that need clear answers. Among them - was hit by a rocket plane, who did it, who supplied weapons, was it a mistake or pre-planned action," - said the head of the Malaysian government.
We add that the U.S. intelligence suddenly made a sensational statement. In a statement American intelligence agency Associated Press reported that it turned out - Russian guilt in a crash Malaysian Boeing 777 there is no way to prove it is not trying to Kiev, the State Department, the Russian opposition and several European and Western media. "Experts have called this campaign America" back down "and proof that the U.S. has no evidence of guilt, even militias" - says the press.
http://russpatriot.ru/vug/229-malayziya-obvinila-ssha-v-geopolitike-na-krovi-i-kostyah-passazhirov.html
Posted by: brian | Jul 25 2014 10:12 utc | 95
@95 that's absolutely true. They will deny deny and deny till they are burning in hell. For the truth to catch on, heads of government have to say it. Russia needs to announce it's findings in an open security council meeting. They have to point a finger and say the accusation out loud. Other governments like Malaysia and China have to back them up. Then the west will be twisting. But they will still deny.
Posted by: Lysander | Jul 25 2014 11:10 utc | 96
"AUSTRALIAN investigators were among a small team to discover more human remains and a crucial new section of the MH17 wreckage overnight, a week after the plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine. . . . .
They also made what Mr Bociurkiw called “an extraordinary finding”, a large and previously overlooked section of the fuselage, with windows and seats still attached.
Discovered in a wooded area more than a kilometre away from the main crash site, it is the largest intact piece of the fuselage to be found by investigators.
Mr Bociurkiw said parts of the wreckage that the team inspected yesterday had “almost machinegun types of holes”. ..." [emphasis added]
Posted by: x | Jul 25 2014 12:28 utc | 97
“It is necessary to ensure an absolutely impartial, independent and open international investigation under the auspices of the ICAO,” said Andrei Kelin, Russia's Ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), quoted on Russia's Foreign Ministry website on Friday.
“Total transparency should eliminate any possibility of fraud and falsification,” he was quoted as saying. “Unfortunately we have reasons to be concerned.” (bold added)
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742280
Posted by: x | Jul 25 2014 12:42 utc | 98
Softly, softly, ... setting the scene for a convenient military 'mix-up' and a plausible deniability: "No one here in Kiev!" It will probably land on some now-dead corporal's shoulders! ... and on with the next msm 'Cat Show'. Like the 2007-08 financial "too big to fail" bank crash, this will likely found by the well paid experts (the best money can buy) to be "too complex to solve" -- it's the system's fault!
Posted by: x | Jul 25 2014 12:54 utc | 99
Extremly good news, Yats yesterday, Yarosh today
http://rt.com/news/175564-ukraine-interpol-wanted-yarosh/
Posted by: Mina | Jul 25 2014 13:19 utc | 100
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more bullshit without relevant details from the western media.. why am i not surprised? this won't stick, but in the meantime it is a continuation of the propaganda war on russia and putin that those media outlets get paid for..
Posted by: james | Jul 23 2014 19:12 utc | 1