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July 18, 2014

Open Thread 2014-16

News & views other than current issues ...

Posted by b on July 18, 2014 at 18:04 UTC | Permalink

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Roaming through counterpunch, imho a well of good reading, I stumbled
over the Fukushima article with this quotation:
IPPNW is the Nobel Peace Prize winning global federation of doctors working for “a healthier, safer and more peaceful world.” The group has adopted a highly critical view of NUCLEAR POWER because as it says, “A world without nuclear weapons will only be possible if we also phase out nuclear energy.”
What would happen if IRAN took this path? Ziocons surely wouldn't change their
path, but wouldn't the Empire stand without clothes?

Posted by: slirs | Jul 18 2014 18:21 utc | 1

The Empire already stands without clothes slirs. And has since the late 1800's. It is just that the eyes of the pawns are slowly (maybe and hopefully, quickly) becoming less clouded is spite of the massive media onslaught of Public Relations (propaganda) bullshit heralding the status quo and the religion of new technology solutions.
As for Fukushima and the absolute imperative of a quick phase out of most everything nuclear, the PTB are too heavily and blindly invested in it to allow their media outlets to even mention it. Thus Fukushima and WIPP are swept under the rug so as not interrupt the corporate agenda. I get it and agree with you but, as much as I appreciate this blog, this outlet is not going to look under the global political affairs rug to even see, let alone recognize even more pressing problems.

Posted by: juannie | Jul 18 2014 19:01 utc | 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDJSOAYEzPA

Posted by: Dr. Black | Jul 18 2014 19:13 utc | 3

^^

Posted by: Dr. Black | Jul 18 2014 19:17 utc | 4

All the countries mentioned before are eminently important, ALL NATIONS and countrys are important. The national will of each conglomerate affect the state of the entities surrounding, since there is no vacuum.
Latin America is undergoing important 'revoluciones tranquilas', many of the countries have dynamic leadership that are concerned with the HUMAN CAPITAL of capitalism and the socialist renewal.
The shackles of USA domination are painfully and slowly coming off.
In the countries where the USA is the undisputed master, the masses are subject to the capricious whims of USA.
Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Haiti are tossed are tussled more and more all the time as mere pawns of the USA and the EU.
Why is Dominican Republic SO FUCKING important that within weeks of each other
JOE BIDEN
THE POPE
BAN KI MOON
EU ENVOYS GALORE
The French Army

HAVE ALL been asking for visits with the president of that country Danilo Medina?

Why has an openly gay same sex married person been appointed ambassador of the DR a conservative catholic country?

Why has the EU needed to remind the DR of the 76 billion in aid to this island?

This is in much contrast to the Putin and Xi Jinping visits to Latin America.

The USA and EU are firmly grabbing the DR and Haiti by the balls and telling them no no no no no......Don't even think about it.

Another thing is the theory that the USA is fostering the emigration of Puerto Ricans from their island by helping the economy to become ruined.

Illegal immigrants from other countries are currently swamping Puerto Rico, making it harder for a native boricua to remain on the island. Therefore if there are no Puerto Ricans, the island will no longer make noises about it's independence.

Those that do clamor for it will be a minority, so they will be considered a fringe group.

The destruction of a people by way of neoliberal immigration policies.

Diabolico

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 18 2014 19:53 utc | 5

what's with all the music vids -- has it ever occurred to you quarter-brights that others might not share your taste in music? A, and B, what do they have to do with anything in the news?

Posted by: ruralito | Jul 18 2014 21:19 utc | 6

OT

Had an interesting experience RE China, an offer to be a technical (English translation) editor for a Chinese science and technology journal. There was the exchange of credentials, then a 'Standardized Editing Test' based on real submitted PhD papers. What a shock after reading the great observations of Chinese scholars like mathematics specialist H.Wu, to see just how terrible the Chinese research paper publication problem is! A new industry!

Sure they have some unique insights on things, especially biochemistry and nano-technology, but they can't write English to save their lives! They can't organize sentence structure, scientific lingo, anything to give the 'technical editor' a handle on what they're saying, without completely rewriting the thing. Then, coming from a scientific background, much of what I read was derivative 'kickstands', in the Japanese 'nail sticking up' mode. They just want that incremental piece of sheepskin, same as any grad student anywhere in the world.

There is 0.00 correlation between genius and PhD status, but a PhD pays better.

Then following that 'SET-and-awe', came the H-1B-now-CEO India(n) chief of Microsoft's announcement of 18,000 layoffs outsourcing to India, when the track record of relocate-to-India(n) software company failures is, once you list them, can only conclude that India is a black hole where all large-scale programming ventures go to die. Microsoft's 'code bloat' and the fiasco with Win7 was entirely on their India branch's watch. So why else elevate a H-1B-now-CEO India(n) to outsource 'better, faster, cheaper' into a black hole?

Which brings us back to USA as a nexus of science and technology, and explains why the USA graduate schools and defense research labs are packed with foreign nationals, but China and Germany end up with the actual technology deployment and manufacturing leadership.

Corp Bottom Line. DOW 30,000. Pump, pump, pump ... dump.

Which leads to the excitement on the finance boards about BRIC's new 'IMF Light', and how it's going to 'bring down the US$'. Poppy-cock! The BRICs are bankrupt! Their combined debt, Brazil, Russia, India and China, is more than the debt of all other countries on earth, combined, (ex-US/UK/IL, and 'we can print our way out of debt').

BRIC will disappear in the midnight of history, all those billions of poor lost souls.
For it's part, US/UK/IL will follow the Path of Weimar, into a bankrupt fascist police state, then you have to ask, where will the recherché flower of humanity re-bloom?

It will likely spring from the butt cheeks of the New Global Pharaohic Technocracy, in thrall to it, carving little intricate nested jade Buddhas for it, entertaining it with silken silicon selfies, enabling it with pervasive omni-surveillance and domestic weaponry, and turning its vast expanse of Corporate GMO farms into high-tech kibble factories.

Soylent Green, it's the other white meat!

So you can be like those who ended up in the internment camps and then the ovens, or you can find yourself a little piece of expatriate paradise, grow some turnips and grow old.

Posted by: chip nikh | Jul 18 2014 22:53 utc | 7

We Will Not Go Down (Gaza) - Michael Heart - OFFICIAL VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfhoU66s4Y

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 1:01 utc | 8

Pink Floyd - Song for Palestine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1fYDBib39s

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 1:11 utc | 9

My latest Post | Gaza, The Miracle
http://www.arabworld360.info/2014/07/gaza-miracle.html#.U8nVupSSzfI

Posted by: M. Tomazy | Jul 19 2014 1:20 utc | 10

Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 1:21 utc | 11

Turkey and Qatar will put conditions to rein Hamas.

They will ask France and the USA to pressure Egypt to release the jailed Moslem Brotherhood leaders and the Al Jazeera journalists and allow the MB to have a place on the political arena of Egypt.

France asks Qatar to get Hamas to agree Gaza ceasefire: Source

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/106561/World/Region/France-asks-Qatar-to-get-Hamas-to-agree-Gaza-cease.aspx

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 19 2014 3:16 utc | 12

Turkey PM slams Egypt's 'illegitimate tyrant' El-Sisi

...
Erdogan, who portrays himself as the global Muslim leader who speaks up for Palestinian rights, said supporting an Egyptian proposal for a ceasefire would mean legitimising the administration in Egypt.

"Egypt is not a party ... They are trying to legitimise (the El-Sisi administration) in Egypt. It is not a legitimate administration. It is illegitimate," he said, lashing out at Israeli attempts to exclude Hamas.

"Hamas is a party there," he said.

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 19 2014 3:20 utc | 13

It's starting to show:

Obama’s ratings tumble in Germany, Russia in wake of NSA spying, Ukraine crisis — RT News

Thanks to a series of global scandals, the United States in general, and its commander-in-chief in particular, have suffered a drop in favorability among the majority of countries polled by Pew Research.

"In 22 of 36 countries surveyed in both 2013 and 2014, people are significantly less likely to believe the US government respects the personal freedoms of its citizens," the report said.

Posted by: Fran | Jul 19 2014 5:33 utc | 14

test

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2014 6:52 utc | 15

it looks like i can't ask the question about a particular poster without the post going into thin air.. the one i am wondering about is scal a wag...

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2014 6:53 utc | 16

Fran

What the..?! Are palestinians naive? Showing quite big support for obama in that poll.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 19 2014 7:01 utc | 17

Anonymous

I have no idea what the palestinians are thinking. But I agree this is surprising and also unexpected.

Posted by: Fran | Jul 19 2014 9:01 utc | 18

Around The World

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9MszVE7aR4

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 10:24 utc | 19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxn0Xfqkgw

Posted by: Katy Perry | Jul 19 2014 11:08 utc | 20

Here's one for Paty Kerry:

The Who - Water

I'm too young to get the references in this song, but it's always said something to me. It seems to be speaking of all-consuming conflagration and unquenchable thirst...of the gut-shot human's pleas for a drink, while the bullet burns in the abdomen...how the whole world is a really fucked up place, so let's drink and be merry until we're all converted to lime.

Enjoy!

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jul 19 2014 12:32 utc | 21

Thanks all, for the Gaza reminders, as the push to eradicate the Palestinians continues.


http://duplicitousdemocracy.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/dissappearing-palestine.jpg

Posted by: ben | Jul 19 2014 13:54 utc | 22

ty Dr. Wellington, here is one for you and all of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYzQaCCt2o

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 17:28 utc | 23

There is no truth...there is only dialectic...

Posted by: chalo | Jul 19 2014 17:37 utc | 24

@22 Yes, there is only dialect for you, for now, but when you get older you will learn more :)

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 17:51 utc | 25

The definition of Zionism is in my world, psychopaths.

A Psychopath will do and remain in full controll of any happening.

The intresting part of this is that it has yet another name, called Zionizm.

Now, the psychopath needs to blend in, into the society with a name.

As an professional investigator i can say that it is the case.

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 18:52 utc | 26

Animals - House of the Rising Sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-4VGfx5lU

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 19 2014 20:25 utc | 27

@Patty Kerry #27:

Frijid Pink cover

Posted by: Demian | Jul 20 2014 1:53 utc | 28

@ 27 Thanks Paty Kerry... haven't heard that one in a long time.

Posted by: crone | Jul 20 2014 1:58 utc | 29

Reading between the lines, Paul Craig Roberts suggests one scenario where ‘Drone-man’ takes a pot shot at Putin – effectively Obama keeps Putin chatting on the jet-phone over Ukraine while 'someone' lines him up for a crash landing. However, phone coordinates don’t compensate for Ukrainian incompetence it seems. Hmmmm, …???
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/19/happened-malaysian-airliner-paul-craig-roberts/

Posted by: x | Jul 20 2014 11:41 utc | 30

The leaders of the US, Russia, China, EU, India, et al are only an effect.

The cause is corporatism.

Putin or Obama, really, it makes no difference. They are not different from each other.

To his credit, MacBride understood all of this in 1967. "Given the resources of modern technology and planning techniques," he warned, "it is really no great trick to transform even a country like ours into a smoothly running corporation where every detail of life is a mechanical function to be taken care of." MacBride's fear is O'Reilly's master plan: the government, he writes, ought to be modelled on the "lean startup" approach of Silicon Valley, which is "using data to constantly revise and tune its approach to the market". It's this very approach that Facebook has recently deployed to maximise user engagement on the site: if showing users more happy stories does the trick, so be it.

Algorithmic regulation, whatever its immediate benefits, will give us a political regime where technology corporations and government bureaucrats call all the shots. The Polish science fiction writer Stanislaw Lem, in a pointed critique of cybernetics published, as it happens, roughly at the same time as The Automated State, put it best: "Society cannot give up the burden of having to decide about its own fate by sacrificing this freedom for the sake of the cybernetic regulator."

Posted by: chalo | Jul 20 2014 12:47 utc | 31

I knew I liked PCR,and his love of pussycats makes me like him even more.Insecure people love dogs(I like em too),as dogs will be loyal even if you mistreat them,while cats know your heart.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 20 2014 13:41 utc | 32

Watching TCM(my baseline)I saw Maureen O'Hara at some function,and when Robert Osbourne asked her something about an event in her past,she said its all Hebrew rubbish.Uh oh,There goes her obituary.Great line though!

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 20 2014 13:45 utc | 33

I notice today they are starting the divide and conquer machine by stating that the Gazans are refusing to be human shields(Ziorubbish),and some liberal cartoonists are also jumping on that wagon of crud.(Lukovitch,who used to, when the shrub was in power,lambast his identical policies that this mirage Obomba carry out)Hypocrisy blows.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 20 2014 17:14 utc | 34

Timely reporting at Dave Emory's blog as he blows the whistle on FIFA and ticket scalping at the World Cup, a veritable "cesspool of corruption, organized crime and fascism enveloping the world of big-time sport."

Posted by: julius orange | Jul 21 2014 5:08 utc | 36

with mh370, i said the probability that its mere coincidence is practically zero, with mh17 i say it is zero.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysian-airlines-mh370-and-mh17-a-criminologist-questions-what-are-the-probabilities-is-it-a-mere-coincidence/5392265

Posted by: denk | Jul 22 2014 17:04 utc | 37

Drone's eye view of Burning Man 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2ThTb6iffA

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 23 2014 21:33 utc | 38

Yep, Patsy. No time for geopolitics and the next world war. Let's watch stupid music videos.

Perhaps you should compile a top 100 music videos of all time from the links you have left us. I know we are all at the edge of our seats.

By the way, is your name Paty Kerry or Katy Perry (#20). Strange that one would misspell their own name.


b, the list of posters who have left this blog in disgust at being attacked by sockpuppets or entrapped by the same would populate a world class blog -- Oh, it already does -- it's called vineyardsaker.

b, first you strike a libertarian pose and allow endless threads to be ruined by an infinite array of foff-like, shape-shifting sockpuppets, and then you get passive-aggressive and ban intelligent and cogent posters who care passionately about current events.

In memoriam: Daniel Rich, Bot Tak, Nora, Rowan Berkeley, Mr. Pragma, etc. and all the old-timers: debs is dead, Malooga, Uncle $cam, r'giap, annie, b real, anna missed, beq, dan of steele, dave s, etc.

On life support: bevin, someone, etc.

You put so much effort into your posts -- which only get better, year after year. Why do you let your own work and house be despoiled?
Could you imagine a real bar, in a dangerous part of town as this is, without a competent bouncer?

Posted by: Al Cazar | Jul 23 2014 22:55 utc | 39

All you will ever need to know about, what's really going on and why things are the way they are: The Pedophocracy


[much too long text copied from elsewhere (aka SPAM) deleted here - b.]

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 27 2014 23:00 utc | 40

still here nearly every day to keep up on world events - just been quiet for a few years - no time for my own research

Posted by: b real | Jul 28 2014 12:29 utc | 41

I know that it bad form to cross-post on blogs, but the importance of what I would like to express forces to me transgress and beg forgiveness. M

P.S.: Hello to b, b real, Uncle $cam, r'giap, Noirette, annie, debs is dead, et al.

The Madness of Roger Tucker

For some reason, Mr. Saker chose to post a rather reviling fascist screed on his Vineyardsaker blog today, disguised as an "Humanitarian Call to Arms," and in light of the exposure his blog gets, I thought it essential to expose it before more harm is done.

Quotes from the post "Open Letter to the Conscience of Humanity" on the Vineyardsaker blog:

2. The first task of this commission would be to identify the most culpable of the Zionist criminals still living, not to exceed one thousand people. Millions are guilty but bringing those most responsible for the suffering of the Palestinians, the Lebanese, the Iraqis, the Libyans, the Iranians, the Egyptians, the Syrians et al and the many millions of other direct and indirect victims of the Zionist project, would best serve the cause of justice.

International Law seems a sufficient basis to prosecute people for war crimes. The very concept of International Law is that, by applying the same set of rules to all, one can achieve stable and just relations between states and states, and between states and their inhabitants. But, when you start prosecuting "the most culpable" people for thought crimes and speech crimes you go off the deep end, rejecting all law and justice.

How can anyone defend the rights of so-called "Holocaust Revisionists" like Robert Faurisson, Ernst Zündel, and David Irving to speak (as I and Chomsky do), -- speech which is now criminalized in Europe -- and deny the right for Zionists. As Chomsky rightly points out, free speech is a protection granted to those you DISAGREE with, not those you agree with -- hence it is either for everyone, or just for those who believe as you do, and not free at all.

Again, crimes are crimes, and International Law seems sufficiently robust, if only the international political will were there to prosecute. I am speaking here of crimes like pre-emptive war, invasion of another sovereign state, murder, land and property theft and destruction, use of weapons like depleted uranium, phosphorus, and cluster bombs, etc. There is nothing subjective about culpability with these crimes. I believe international law experts like Francis Boyle, Ramsey Clark, Richard Falk and Richard Goldstone would concur.

"Suffering," again, like the concept "culpable," is another vague, subjective term and a slippery legal slope to slide down in "the cause of justice:" My parents caused me much suffering, but I do not see their actions as a crime or cause for prosecution in "the cause of justice."

3. Those people so identified should be drawn from the various sectors of society that have been primarily responsible for the heinous war crimes and crimes against humanity committed over these years, regardless of their countries of residence, particularly among the politicians, the military, the media, the financiers, the public intellectuals, academics, the religious leaders and the leaders of Zionist organizations. Those found guilty would be sentenced to a minimum of life in solitary confinement without parole.

Again, prosecuting "public intellectuals, academics, the religious leaders" for acts of thought and speech, and labelling those acts as "heinous war crimes" is the hallmark of fascism. This should be obvious. Speech is only truly free if you defend that which you disagree with.

Craven Public Intellectuals deserve to be shamed, debunked, discredited, ridiculed, and shorn of their power, wealth, prestige and authority, but not jailed for life, or worse.

We may deplore the concentration of global media, and the fact that their employees lie shamelessly. The solutions should be obvious: Work to decentralize the media, and work to criminalize legally proveable lies in the press. Work to educate the public in the methods the media uses to deceive, manipulate, foment mob manias, and even to perpetuate "big lies" and "false flags." But don't go prosecuting thought and speech as "crimes against humanity."

Furthermore, solitary confinement, as advocated by Mr. Tucker, IS cruel and inhumane torture, in other words, a "crime against humanity" itself. People go insane rather quickly under those conditions. It is far removed from imprisonment and loss of freedom. I am amazed to see both a Buddhist and a Christian such as Mr. Tucker and Mr. Saker, advocating this for any human being. How can someone who has spoken up against one type of torture -- waterboarding -- support another type, solitary confinement. If presumed guilt is the sole criterion, then what exactly was the problem with waterboarding again?

By employing the term "minimum," it is clear that Mr. Tucker does not rule out capital punishment -- an almost heretical position for a Buddhist, and one I would be very interested in seeing Mr. Tucker attempt to defend from a Buddhist point of view.

And here's the clincher, the horror of what Mr. Tucker is really arguing for, revealed:

4. In addition to those specifically indicted, all of those people who have actively provided material, organizational or public support for this genocide should be rounded up and interned in camps designated for this purpose. Given the very large numbers of such people, the so-called FEMA camps in the United States would be suitable for this purpose. An alternative site could be constructed in the Siberian Oblast set aside by the Soviet Union for the Jewish people. An appeals process would be instituted to ensure that only the clearly culpable would remain in these camps. Those adjudged guilty would be consigned to hard labor and re-education designed to eventually make them suitable for re-entry into human society, if that is at all possible.

Ah, so now we are going to round up possibly millions ("Millions are guilty") of "public supporters" and send them all off to Soviet-style gulags, or "hard labor" re-education camps for "re-education designed to eventually make them suitable for re-entry into human society, if that is at all possible." And all in the name of "Humanity." Am I the only one who sees a problem with this? If so, perhaps I have been spending too much time following the wrong bloggers. Is this what Jesus and Buddha would advocate in this situation? Is this what Mr. Saker's God would advocate?

And what of the millions of others around the world, for instance, Australians who publicly suppported the genocide in East Timor; USAans who publicly supported the genocide in Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Laos, the killing fields of Cambodia), the genocide in Indonesia, the military juntas in South America, the guerrila wars in Central America, the genocide in Iraq, Libya, and Syria; the French who supported the war in Algeria and Libya; the English who supported the war in Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya; Turks who still support the Armenian genocide, ISIS in Syria, etc.? And what about all Westerners who supported their nations' policies throughout Africa, most especially in the CAR, and apartheid in South Africa? After all, humans can be a cruel bunch, and if we are going to send the supporters of one neo-colonial settler war off to the gulag in the name of justice, than surely we should send the supporters of all neo-colonial and other nasty wars off to the same gulags in the name of some greater justice. I fear we will soon have one half of humanity enslaving and re-educating the other half, in the name of humanity.

While I don't condone any of these events, indeed I actively worked against all of this madness of empire, for some reason I don't see putting the hundreds of millions of people who actively supported these policies into "re-education" camps as a beneficial policy for humankind. Perhaps I shouldn't have read "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch;" yes, perhaps that is the problem I'm having in appreciating Mr. Tucker's "Modest Proposal." For we all know what this really means -- these gulags: Who decides who needs "re-education;" how do we treat those who are "recalitrant" in their re-education, those who refuse to learn; how long do the infirm and elderly hold up under conditions of "hard labor," and who gets to decide when an inmate is properly re-educated?

These are only a few of the questions that arise from reading Mr. Tucker's "Open Letter to the Conscience of Humanity;" I'm quite certain that a few minutes reflection would allow all but the most rabid reader to formulate a few concerns of their own.

Remember, any power we arrogate to ourselves for policies we believe in, may, at some future time, be used by our enemies for policies that they believe in: The table of power may one day be turned, and we will all find ourselves "consigned to hard labor and re-education designed to eventually make (us) suitable for re-entry into human society, if that is at all possible."

Finally, "set(ting) aside" the "Siberian Oblast" as "an alternative site" for mass relocation is just a little too reminiscent of Golda Meir's notorious chestnut, "A land without a people for a people without a land." But I'm sure that the Siberians will be better at understanding the rightness of this solution than the Palestinians are in understanding the rightness of the current dispensation. If not, we can always count on Mr. Tucker and his "Fellow Travelers" to "re-educate" them if necessary.

I understand peoples' anger and feelings of hopelessness at what the Israelis are doing to the Palestians -- the wanton slaughter in cold blood without conscience -- I feel the same way. But, I try not to let my emotions drown out my wisdom and compassion. That is why I, like Mr. Tucker, publically advocate for a single-state -- non-religious, inclusive, and including the Right of Return -- as well as for maximal prosecution of war crimes under international statutes. But unlike Mr. Tucker, I actively oppose criminalizing freedom of speech and thought; employing methods of torture, disguised as justice, on any living being; and the mass internment of humanity for crimethink in concentration camps.

Like, Mr. Tucker, I was brought up under a situation of near complete propaganda. Therefore, like Mr. Tucker, at one point in time I was not as enlightened as I am now in my political views. I am glad that I had the time and freedom to examine my beliefs as I discovered contradictory evidence, and the time and freedom to confront the disturbing cognitive dissonance and change those beliefs on my own. Had Mr. Tucker had his way, I might well have been sent off to a "re-education" gulag, where knowing how ornery and anti-authoriatarian I can be, I might never have changed those prejudiced beliefs, despite the best efforts of the authorities to render me "suitable for re-entry into human society."

Any spiritual being must leave room for human spiritual growth. We can't all be born with all of the "right beliefs" -- that would leave no room for us to learn about the world and mature in our thinking and compassion. That is why we criminalize actions that hurt others, not despicable ignorant thoughts or puerile hateful speech.

Perhaps, therefore, we cannot make the world 100% just, only more just; and the quest for perfect or total justice quickly becomes a totalitarian nightmare.

Mr. Tucker, oblivious to this level of spiritual insight, appears completely unashamed to have borrowed language directly, almost word for word, from George Orwell's novel, 1984. And, despite his surface erudition, he seems equally unashamed not to have read or understood Hannah Arendt's prescient tome, "The Origins of Totalitarianism."

Something is very strange here. Could Mr. Tucker's feelings of anger and hopelessness be so clouding his vision that he promotes the same historical injustices, nay, war crimes, that were employed by a previous totalitarian generation as a solution to fascism and war crimes? Is history so ironic, and Mr. Tucker so blind?

In a similar manner as the reverse projection of the Zionist Jews, who, while publicly swearing "Never again," are perpetuating the same crimes the Nazis employed against them, now against the Palestinians: confining them to concentration camps and then slaughtering them -- Mr. Tucker, in the name of justice and humanity, appears quite willing to threaten the same crimes that unjust and inhuman totalitarian states have used on their dissenters: confining them to gulags in the name of "re-education." Reverse projection, obvious to us, is invisible to its perpetrators.

This is Samantha Power's meretricious "Responsibility to Protect" raised to another power altogether.

Or is this just evidence of the "Crazy Wisdom" employed by his tantric Buddhist teacher, CHÖGYAM TRUNGPA, a man so depraved, that when we strip off the "Guru Worship," we are forced to come to grips with his alchoholism, rampant sex with disciples, and sociopathic behavior like the public stripping and humiliation of the poet W. S. Merwin and his wife at a party they didn't even wish to attend. Acts he claimed were all commited in the name of "Crazy Wisdom." And yet, his disciples steadfastly defend their guru's criminal actions. Is Mr. Tucker merely trying to wake us up by his own insanity? Is that his game here?

And what of Mr. Saker, has he too not let his emotions cloud his vision?

Roger Tucker is too bright for these kind of mistakes or oversights. His proposed solutions should fly in the face of his purported Buddhist beliefs. Why does he not define his terms, when vagueness only helps the psychopaths? Is he trying to foment artificial divisions in the resistance? One would hope not.

And one would hope that we can help both of these bloggers see the problems of their short-sighted and uncompassionate line of thinking, in their own way and in their own time, before some well-meaning person or mob takes their ill-considered recommendations to heart and decides they are best sent off to be "re-educated."

Posted by: Malooga | Jul 29 2014 11:38 utc | 42

Wow! Thanks for that Malooga, (food for thought as always from you) also, good to see b real, and mention of the old crew of bats...lol

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 30 2014 4:51 utc | 43

Darpatopia
"In Singapore, people generally feel that if you're not a criminal or an opponent of the government, you don't have anything to worry about."


Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 3 2014 14:49 utc | 44

President Obama: "We tortured some folks." (C-SPAN)

We all just plain, folks....

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 4 2014 8:58 utc | 46

Uncle Scam

Obama: But you know, let me be clear, those were brown people, you know terrorists so we torture some, not a big deal, now God bless America!

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 4 2014 10:01 utc | 47

Sadly, I caught Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity in an outright deception of past events in Libya.

Here is my response to them:

I certainly agree with the main premise of this article warning President Obama against US actions with Russia. It is surprising that you do not mention the quite substantial risk of nuclear Armageddon, even if accidental -- perhaps the single most frightening part of this entire affair.

And it's clear that we always run the risk of the facts being fixed around the policy, as they historically have been.

But, it's odd that you would use the case of KAL007 as an example, since there is a sizable percentage of people who neither believe that the aircraft "strayed" accidentally, nor that the shootdown was accidental, as you have described. Were the intercepts ever released and confirmed by the Soviet Union, thus proving your case?

Secondly, even more odd is that you should use the example of the bombing at the La Belle Disco in West Berlin, where you state:

"Intercepted messages between Tripoli and agents in Europe made it clear that Libya was behind the attack. Here’s an excerpt: 'At 1:30 in the morning one of the acts was carried out with success, without leaving a trace behind.'"

That intercept is both too vague to prove anything, and yet too incriminating for Libya to have broadcast if they were actually involved -- and certainly not their style. From a Cui Bono standpoint, Libya's involvement made, and still makes, no sense.

More to the point, are two pieces of information which directly contradict your assertions about the validity of the intercept -- information which points to both the bombing and the intercept being the work of the Mossad.

First, Victor Ostrovsky, the ex-Mossad agent and author of the Mossad exposé "By Way of Deception," which the Israeli government sought to ban publication of, claimed that the Mossad was responsible for the intercept. According to Richard Curtiss, in a 2001 piece on Media Monitors:

The manner in which Israel’s Mossad tricked the U.S. into attacking Libya was described in detail by former Mossad case worker Victor Ostrovsky in The Other Side of Deception, the second of two revealing books he wrote after he left Israel’s foreign intelligence service. The story began in February 1986, when Israel sent a team of navy commandos in miniature submarines into Tripoli to land and install a “Trojan,” a six-foot-long communications device, in the top floor of a five-story apartment building. The device, only seven inches in diameter, was capable of receiving messages broadcast by Mossad’s LAP (LohAma Psicologit—psychological warfare or disinformation section) on one frequency and automatically relaying the broadcasts on a different frequency used by the Libyan government.

The commandos activated the Trojan and left it in the care of a lone Mossad agent in Tripoli who had leased the apartment and who had met them at the beach in a rented van.“By the end of March, the Americans were already intercepting messages broadcast by the Trojan,” Ostrovsky writes.

“Using the Trojan, the Mossad tried to make it appear that a long series of terrorist orders were being transmitted to various Libyan embassies around the world,” Ostrovsky continues. As the Mossad had hoped, the transmissions were deciphered by the Americans and construed as ample proof that the Libyans were active sponsors of terrorism. What’s more, the Americans pointed out, Mossad reports confirmed it.

“The French and the Spanish, though, were not buying into the new stream of information. To them it seemed suspicious that suddenly, out of the blue, the Libyans, who had been extremely careful in the past, would start advertising their future actions… The French and the Spanish were right. The information was bogus.”

Ostrovsky, who is careful in what he writes, does not blame Mossad for the bombing, only a couple of weeks after the Trojan was installed, of La Belle Discothèque in West Berlin, which cost the lives of two American soldiers and a Turkish woman. But he convincingly documents the elaborate Mossad operation built around the Trojan, which led the U.S. to blame Libya for the bombing of the Berlin nightclub frequented by U.S. soldiers. The plot was given added credibility since it took place at a time when Qaddafi had “closed” the airspace over the Gulf of Sidra to U.S. aircraft, and then suffered the loss of two Libyan aircraft trying to enforce the ban, which were shot down by carrier-based U.S. planes

This information is reiterated by Robin Ramsay in Lobster #60, Winter 2010, p. 118, who clearly feels that the claims are more than credible.

Second, an article from the WSWS website from August of 1998, summarizes a German TV documentary broadcast of the program "Frontal" which arrives at the following conclusions:

1) The lead defendant presently on trial, Yasser Chraidi, is very possibly innocent, and is being used as a scapegoat by German and American intelligence services.
2) At least one of the defendants, Musbah Eter, has been working for the CIA over many years.
3) Some of the key suspects have not appeared in court, because they are being protected by Western intelligence services.
4) At least one of those, Mohammed Amairi, is an agent of Mossad, the Israeli secret service.

Information for this report was corroborated by both the East German and Russian secret services.

The report concludes with this timely admonition:

"These secret service intrigues present a task for the Berlin court that is almost insoluble," concludes the Frontal report. "But one thing is certain, the American legend of Libyan state terrorism can no longer be maintained."

There are striking parallels between the 1986 bombing of Libya and last week's missile strikes against targets in Sudan and Afghanistan. Once again Washington claims to have "proof" to justify its use of deadly force. But as the Frontal report shows, such claims cannot be trusted. Twelve years after the bombing of Libya, Reagan's proof turns out to be anything but irrefutable. Instead there is powerful evidence that the La Belle attack was a carefully prepared provocation.

There appears to be a pattern of Israel's Mossad supplying bogus intercepted communications to the US and Europe, as evidenced by the spurious communications intercept appearing to implicate Assad in the use of chemical weapons, later disproven.

Which leaves us with several questions: Was the CIA tricked, even though French and Spanish intelligence wasn't? Did the CIA know that Libyan "responsibility" was faked, and not tell the President? Or, did Reagan actually know that he was presenting faked evidence to the world? Or did the U.S. government not know that the evidence was fake, and that it was Israel alone who was responsible for this horror?

In light of US intelligence expenditures approximately equaling the rest of the world put together, either of these three possibilities are fairly disconcerting.

In a 2008 Truthout article, Milton Bearden states, "Washington was willing to give up a sensitive intelligence method - its ability to break the Libyan codes. But once the rest of the world absorbed this, international grumbling subsided and many considered the retaliation against Tripoli justified," almost word for word what you argue.

The question is -- how do those nations who "grumbled" now feel knowing that they were lied into a grudging consent? Where exactly is US credibility on the international stage -- with other countries seeing this as only one of many instances of the US lying to get what it wants at the expense of the rest of the world?

Which begs the point, how could it be possible that that the esteemed VIPS Steering Group, including one member who prepared the President's Daily Brief during this period of time, as well as senior CIA veteran Milton Bearden, not know that this sensitive intelligence source, which you claim the President waived secrecy and boldly revealed, was false? And how does the President revealing information which other governments know is false show what you call "a decent respect for the opinions of mankind?"

In light of the history of US lies and criminal attacks on Libya over a span of decades, culminating in the complete destruction of the country which had the highest standard of living in Africa, the assassination of its leader and our Secretary of State publicly gloating to the world about it, the theft of hundreds of billions of dollars from its treasury -- actions which completely alienated China and Russia and destroyed the US's credibility on the world stage --, how do further lies, especially from an "opposition" source which depends upon reputation for effect, help the US? And isn't pretending to reveal something sensitive, which turns out to be a lie, even more damaging to credibility than a plain vanilla lie?

Not to belabor the point, allow me to explaining just why this issue of credibility is so important. You state:

"If the U.S. has more convincing evidence than what has so far been adduced concerning responsibility for shooting down Flight 17, we believe it would be best to find a way to make that intelligence public – even at the risk of compromising "sources and methods." Moreover, we suggest you instruct your subordinates not to cheapen U.S. credibility by releasing key information via social media like Twitter and Facebook.

The reputation of the messenger for credibility is also key in this area of "public diplomacy."

Yes, the reputation of the messenger is key, and with a history of making false intelligence public, while appearing to "compromise 'sources and methods,' it is hard to know how any disclosure that could not be independently verified would help.

I'm sure that VIPS is a good group, with its heart in the right place -- but, if you want to engender the type of credibility that would move the public debate forward, you simply MUST be accurate with the information in your examples. And if you don't want to be seen as a "limited hangout," you must do more than simply encouraging the government to put on a fake show of disclosure, which could only serve to convince your more gullible reading public, and not foreign governments. For the US at this point, in the eyes of the rest of the world, there is no trust without verification.

Posted by: Malooga | Aug 4 2014 12:22 utc | 48

Liz Cheney Calls Obama A 'Disgrace' For Discussing Post-9/11 Torture

Just more folks... hey now, lets not let our sanctimonious sense of self-righteousness drive us to take drastic measures here. i think it would be justice enough to just jail the guy who blew the whistle on it a few years ago, agreed?

Ex-CIA Agent, Whistleblower John Kiriakou Sentenced to Prison While Torturers He Exposed Walk Free

Jeb and Liz, 2016! just some good, ol' folks watching out for the beacon of light in the world.

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 4 2014 15:08 utc | 49

malooga - do let us know if you get a response to that - nicely put

Posted by: b real | Aug 5 2014 12:12 utc | 50

malooga @48 Well spotted, and an excellent retort. Hopefully it will reach the right circles and bear fruit.

I have my doubts though. VIPS is a classic when it comes to half truths and beautifying the past. For example, the author(s) of this VIPS piece state,

[...] As intelligence professionals we are embarrassed by the unprofessional use of partial intelligence information [...]
trying to cement amongst the antiwar community the myth that

a, US intelligence pros can be embarrassed by politicians unprofessionally using their intelligence information, as if that wasn't Washington standard and to be expected by anyone joining the US intelligence mafia

b, the US intel services only have partial information on the downing of MH17. With all the satellites they have available, NATO military exercises in the area on the day it happened, spies in the Ukrainian troops and the SBU, it is fair to assume they know exactly who shot down that plane and how it was done.

There is your limited hangout right there.

Further down, as a lead in to the part where they tell the readers how Reagan misused US intel for falsely demonizing Russia for the shooting of KA007 30 years ago, they write

[...] An advantage of our long tenure as intelligence officers is that we remember what we have witnessed first hand; seldom do we forget key events in which we played an analyst or other role. To put it another way, most of us "know exactly where we were" when a Soviet fighter aircraft shot down Korean Airlines passenger flight 007 over Siberia on August 30, 1983 over 30 years ago. At the time, we were intelligence officers on "active duty." [...]
So, many of those VIPS guys were US intel staffers when to their full knowledge Reagan distorted facts and told outright lies, yet I bet my bottom dollar that none of those guys consequently and immediately resigned. No, they continued their "service" for years, being willingly part of a monstrous disinfo machine, which sadly, they seem to continue to be to this day.

Uncle @49 The fact that torturers are allowed to walk free while the man who made their horrendous acts known is thrown in jail for years would be a disgrace for any nation that had grace, which however the US doesn't. To be honest, I expected nothing less from a justice system in a country run by terrorists.

And so that MoA's German readers are under no illusion, their country is an integral part of this multinational terrorist outfit.

German General Takes Key Post in US Army Europe

BERLIN — A German army general has for the first time been appointed chief of staff to work with the commander of US ground forces in Europe, both countries’ militaries said Thursday.

Brig. Gen. Markus Laubenthal will serve as “the right-hand man” to Lt. Gen. Donald Campbell Jr., who commands more than 37,000 US Army Europe (USAREUR) personnel from headquarters in the central city of Wiesbaden, said Germany’s defense ministry.

“This is a bold and major step forward in USAREUR’s commitment to operating in a multinational environment with our German allies,” said Campbell in a statement on Laubenthal’s appointment starting next week. [...]

A Bundeswehr spokesperson spoke of a "clear sign of good US/German cooperation" and from my understanding, the German general will now longer be under German command but follow US orders.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Aug 6 2014 0:40 utc | 51

Speaking of Reagan...

The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan

Also, Here's an [excellent] interview that Perlstein did with Chuck Mertz on his radio show "This is Hell" last Saturday, talking about The Invisible Bridge. (52 minutes long, Soundcloud link)

Finally, NPR Fresh Air's Dave Davies interviews Rick Perlstein (Aug 5, 2014)

(... direct mp3 link)


Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 6 2014 3:27 utc | 52

I liked the bit where "ex"CIA Ray McGovern was correctly identified as being part of a limited hangout attempt. Nice to see at least one other gets it.

Its obviously only a matter of time before the cretinous clowns, bevin or his sycophantic sidekick gimp77, come along to express their vicious sense of dissappointment along with their sanctimonious sense of self-righteousnes and scream "how DARE you!!!" & accuse you of being "worse than HITLER!" for daring to voice original thought disagreeing with the party line as enforced by those 2 commisars of cluelessness: that all fakeleft are not fakeleft at all but "indefatigable warriors fer troof!!" who risk their precious lives to bring us this limited hangout bullshit, and that "you sir are a cad and a bounder" for ever daring to express any dissent from the party line.

Or are they themselves driven by much more dishonest motives such as who said it, rather than what was said?

Posted by: Chortle | Aug 6 2014 9:59 utc | 53

mh370
boko haram
isis
mh17
................


this is the m.o. of the empire of chaos,
if a ff is falling apart, spring a bigger one to divert attention !
thus when the mh370 *conspiracy theories* were getting too hot for comfort, activate the *school girls grapping* boko haram.
after getting murikkan boots on the ground in nigeria, time for the boko kids to fade into the shadow.
next up the isis terrarists led by the *new bin laden*.
this latest aq outfit streamed out of syria into iraq and achieved the coveted iraq balkanisation in one fell sweep. mission accomplised.
time to shift the spotlight again, oops, a god damned airliner got blown out of the sky by pro russia separatists. !!
see how one ff cover another's ass ?
it seems only yesterday that the headlines were all about mh370, now there's zero coverage even in the alternate media.
mh17 is the rage now !
or is it ? looks like the spotlight have already shifted to that hideous ebola pandemic !!! [1]

now that the mh17 bs is crumbling all over, is this latest ebola scare to wipe out that fiasco , is this the latest crisis demanding our attention ?
or do those *reality actors* have something more nasty down the line for our consumption ? [2]

[1]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ebola-2-here-come-the-global-pandemic-promoters/5394425

[2]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-walls-are-crumbling-down-around-the-official-911-story-why/5394984

p.s.
hmmm
all the latest mh17 articles do not allow for comments ???

Posted by: denk | Aug 7 2014 9:41 utc | 54

wow, so the proverbial bigone they keep warning about has finally arrived eh ?
http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/health-environment/story/who-may-declare-ebola-global-health-emergency-201

rings a bell ?
hmm, the who, cdc, pentagon, big pharma , the usual suspects. !
are we on the way to martial law and one world government, never mind financial bonnaza for *the insiders* ?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/is-avian-flu-another-pentagon-hoax/1169

http://www.globalresearch.ca/bird-flu-a-corporate-bonanza-for-the-biotech-industry/1190

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-h1n1-swine-flu-pandemic/14629?print=1

make way mh17 etc...we've got a global crisis on our hand hehehe!!!

Posted by: denk | Aug 8 2014 6:32 utc | 55

africans to Médecins Sans Frontières
*get the hell out pronto, we dont want u here !!!*
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id634.html

Posted by: denk | Aug 9 2014 4:51 utc | 56

i counted 5 birds in the mh17 ff...
+oboma get his sanction on russia,
+a weakened russia means a weakened bric
+drive a wedge bet malaysia n russia,
+another middle finger to the stubborn malaysians,
+deflection from the gazza war crimes,

could glenn thomas of who be the sixth ?
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/george-soros-ebola-and-the-death-of-who-spokesperson-glenn-thomas-in-the-ukraine/

Posted by: denk | Aug 9 2014 5:05 utc | 57

Michael D’ Andrea “The Wolf” ...

Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 9 2014 5:13 utc | 58

test

Posted by: denk | Aug 10 2014 1:15 utc | 59

with friend like ebola, WHO needs africom ?

birdflu666.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/un-troops-enter-ebola-zone-to-enforce-quarantine/

the way its spreading, africa might be declared a quarantined zone before we know it,sovereinty handed over to WHO and UN troops.
the taking over of africa would be completed without a single shot fired,
game, set, match.

Posted by: denk | Aug 10 2014 9:51 utc | 60

sars, despite all the hullaballoo, seems to be just a trial run. h1n1, h5n1, h9n? all fizzles out after great fanfare and somehow didnt make the grade. but this latest ebola outbreak looks like the bigone that they keep promising will hit us one day.

sars revisisted.
http://www.healingcelebrations.com/SARS.htm

Posted by: denk | Aug 10 2014 16:54 utc | 61

This concept of a microbiological Armageddon is not new to most readers. “Experts” have been predicting the arrival of a super-plague for decades. What is HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS about the mysterious and terrifying arrival of SARS is its timing. It arrived virtually synchronous with the global war on terrorism, and the Anglo-American war with Iraq

Posted by: denk | Aug 10 2014 17:03 utc | 62

every psyop is politically timed


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-avian-flu-fright-is-politically-timed/1071

what about ebola ?
mh17, gaza...........iraq ???

Posted by: denk | Aug 10 2014 17:22 utc | 63

is ebola timed to wipe out mh17,
provide cover for gaza and......iraq ?

Posted by: denk | Aug 10 2014 17:25 utc | 64

This concept of a microbiological Armageddon is not new to most readers. “Experts” have been predicting the arrival of a super-plague for decades. What is HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS about the mysterious and terrifying arrival of SARS is its TIMING. It arrived virtually synchronous wth the global war on terrorism, and the Anglo-American war with Iraq

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/04/open-thread-2013-07.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01901b751ee5970b

FFW 2014,
In the days preceding the emergence of the first ,ebola cases, muricunts raced to the Pacific Rim to impact escalating aggressions on the Korean peninsula, south china sea, east china sea. Communist China-a "most favored" trading partner with America, is politically allied with several American enemies, including russia.
Coincidental? Not likely when viewing the larger political picture involving the Ango-American oligarchy's RMA and instigated "conflicts short of war* at the doorstep of china and russia, when the mh17 official story is crumbling, when gaza, ukraine needs diversion !

whereas sars and the hxnx series [1] seem to target chinese dna, the ebola is devastating africa. is it yet another coincidence that muricunts are right now frantically playing catch up to china in africa, a land supposedly in dire need to be returned to western fold as per fukus ? [2]

UN troops are already imposing martial law in liberia.
the way ebola is spreading, what if WHO declared africa a quarantined zone tomorrow ?
africa would be litarally locked down, taken over by UN , which means....reconquer of africa by fukus without africom firing a single shot !!

too far fetched ?
when sars was running amok in china, the *world community* was already suggesting giving WHO the mantra to quarantine any nation aflicted by a runaway epidemic.
so if they drop the Bigone on china or russia, they can literally shut down the targeted country via the WHO, which'd makes the current sanction on russia looks like child's play !
game, set, match.


[1]
those assholes like to play with such alphabet soups, wtf, its all an amusement to these !@#$%^!

[2]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/05/obama-africa-leaders-us-china-investment-summit?commentpage=1

Posted by: denk | Aug 11 2014 6:58 utc | 65

i post a comment on ebola in washingtblog, it was deleted within min lol, posted a similar comment on guardian without problem !
so who's supposed to be the more *progressive* ???

Posted by: denk | Aug 11 2014 7:22 utc | 66

all the prez's men and.... another air disaster,another frame up.
different location, the usual suspects.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/12/obamas-africa-leaders-summit-a-corporate-and-military-love-fest.html

Posted by: denk | Aug 13 2014 17:41 utc | 67

a pandemic crisis in africa, isnt the timing perrrrrrfect ?
just when mh17, ukraine, gaza need diversion, er, anybody still remember that mh370 *disapearance act * ?
just when muricunts are bitching that africa has been lost [1] to china inspite of africom and jsoc [2] ff terrorism .
up pop the dreaded ebola pandemic !
omg, its spreading like wire fire thru out the *dark continent* or so we heard. !

fear not...help is at hand from....
who else but the fukus led west, they have always been able to whip out the appropriate vaccine in record time dont they, whether its the sars, hxnx, ebola, whatever. ?
it almost looks like they had the *right stuff* at hand just in case hehehe .
bless the lord, no, god bless murica.
http://www.wistv.com/story/26281991/obama-confers-on-ebola-with-african-leaders

dont worry babe, u.n. troops already had part of africa locked down and uncle sham would be shipping its wonder drug pronto to the afflicted nations.
so those africans thought they could do without uncle eh, who are they turning to save their ass right now hehehe ? [3]

crisis, reaction, solution.
mh370, boko harm, isis, mh17, ebola........
works like a charm since the days of Crassus,[4]
only diff uncle sham the modern day Crassus is even more proactive, he set the fire himself !
a veritable arsonist cum firefighter two in one. !!!

[1]
thats how murcunts mind work, they own the whole fucking world in the first place. so they lost china in 1949 when the chinese became chicoms. since then they've been losing this n losing that blah blah blah, now they've lost africa to china but
,.....looks like u just cant keep a good man down for long, they'r crawling back to uncle hehehe.

[2]
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30103.htm

[3] thats exactly what many murcunts are mocking in various forums right now.
this from a cunt, *its always the english speaking countries that save u ass* ! hehehehe

[4]
Crassus own the world's first firebrigade, *But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of its worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground*
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/

Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2014 3:29 utc | 68

might Mappin in fact have had plenty of time?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ebola-outbreak-u-s-sponsored-bioterror/5396176

Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2014 14:16 utc | 69

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