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July 16, 2014

July 16 Gaza News - "At least they wont breed"

Peter Beaumont is Jerusalem correspondent of the Guardian and the Observer. This is what he experienced in Gaza today:

Today was a personal low point - giving first aid with colleagues to two children wounded by shrapnel on Gaza beach on terrace of our hotel

Four kids with them were killed in same incident all from same extended family

1st shell hit the harbour wall. It's been hit before so I assume its on a prerecorded grid. Gunner appears to have adjusted to hit survivors

who were an adult and three boys

Earlier he wrote:

no warning shot. kids killed by first round, then gunner adjusted and bracketed the survivors. i was 200m away

His longer report is now online. The kids were helping their father/uncle fixing fishing nets. The targeted artillery rounds came from an Israeli warship. Killed were Ahed Atef Bakr 10, Zakaria Ahed Bakr 10, Mohamed Ramez Bakr 11, Ismael Mohamed Bakr 9. An "Israel Activist and media monitor" responded to the news of the four killed children by writing:

At least they wont breed

Today Israel also intentionally hit the Wafa Hospital in Gaza with a smaller missile. The hospital is completely crowded with patients and the missile was considered a "warning shot" that might be followed up with a bigger attack. There is no place for the the people in the hospital to flee to.

The Israeli press now confirms what we wrote yesterday: Secret call between Netanyahu, al-Sissi led to cease-fire plan

Haaretz has learned that the PM spoke to the Egyptian president in a secret phone call prompted by Quartet envoy Tony Blair.

It was Tony Blair who arranged the scam cease-fire which Hamas rejected. Neither Hamas nor anyone else in Gaza was ever consulted about it and they learned of it only through the media. Peace between two parties can obviously not be achieved by only talking to one of them.

Instead of that stop-the-guns-but-don't-consent-on-anything-else scam by Tony Blair Hamas today offered a real and reasonable deal for a long term truce:

Hamas and Islamic Jihad have submitted a list of 10 demands to Egypt to establish a 10-year truce with Israel, the Hebrew-language daily Maariv reported Wednesday.
The first demand, according to Maariv, is the withdrawal of Israeli military tanks from the border fence area to a distance that enables Gaza farmers to access their fields and tend them freely.

In addition, Israel must free all Palestinian prisoners detained after the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the southern West Bank including those who were freed as part of Gilad Shalit prisoner swap. This precondition also includes softening procedures against all prisoners in Israeli custody.

A third demand stipulates that Israel ends the crippling siege on the coastal enclave, which means reopening all border crossings and allowing the entry of construction materials and all requirements needed to run the Gaza Strip’s power station.

The fourth demand stipulates the opening of an international seaport and international airport in the Gaza Strip to be run and monitored by the United Nations.

All these demands are reasonable and fair and would give Israel, should it be itself reasonable and willing to stick to a truce, 10 years of peace at its southern front.

But to expect reasonablity from Israel when it is killing children for sport may just be a step too far.

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What is the purpose of destroying somebody's home when two warnings are given to evacuate prior to its destruction? Surely any targets would have fled?

Destroying for fun and to terrorise the neighbourhood is the only explanation that I can come up with.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 16 2014 16:02 utc | 1

collective punishment.. isn't that what the jewish people were running away from themselves? now they inflicting the same on another group of people..

Posted by: james | Jul 16 2014 16:44 utc | 2

Stop the killing in Gaza? Who else are the Israelis going to vent their frustrations on? The residents of Sderot seem all too keen on their comfortable seats on the hills nearby, allowing them to safely watch and cheer the slaughter in Gaza.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 16 2014 16:47 utc | 3

I agree. Reasonable demands. Israel is angling towards some sort of formula for demilitarization, which open borders preclude. That is why I think Palestinians in Gaza are looking at a war of extermination where the Israelis shoot anything that moves. The U.S. will say nothing; the Arab League will only make modest protests. It is appalling.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 16 2014 16:53 utc | 4

"At least they won't breed?" Is this some kind of war waged by particularly unimaginative adolescent rednecks?

Oh, wait. It actually is.

Posted by: Monolycus | Jul 16 2014 16:53 utc | 5

Hamas has nothing more to loose. It will stand on its demands even if Gaza is totally destroyed. Death rather that surrender to endless jailing and humiliation are their motivation.
How can Israel answer? An invasion, more bombing?

Israel is trapped. Netanyahu will not survive politically to that fiasco. He will soon join Olmert who tried to destroy Hezbollah in 2006 with no results.

Posted by: virgile | Jul 16 2014 16:55 utc | 6

Israel is after the gas resources in Gaza...

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 17:09 utc | 7

@ 6

Sorry, forgot this:

IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis
Israel's defence minister has confirmed that military plans to 'uproot Hamas' are about dominating Gaza's gas reserves

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 17:11 utc | 8

Tweet by @gilirei from 45 min ago in Hebrew translates (roughly) as follows:

“Just now on [Israel's] Channel 10 Tzvika Yehzkaeli has just said ‘all in all 50 {Palestinian} children were killed in this Operation; that’s not a lot.”


Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 18:08 utc | 9

According to the bizarre but power-set representative reasoning in Thomas Friedman's column today, the only party that can bring the Israeli assault of Gaza to a halt is the victim herself:

In my view, the only way Israel can truly curtail the Hamas rocket threat is if the Palestinians of Gaza demand that the rockets stop. Sure, Israel can inflict enough pain on all of Gaza to get a cease-fire, but it never lasts. The only sustainable way to do it is by Israel partnering with moderate Palestinians in the West Bank to build a thriving state there, so Gaza Palestinians wake up every day and say to the nihilistic Hamas: “We want what our West Bank cousins have.” The only sustainable controls are those that come from within.
He goes on to blame Maliki for ISIS and the splitting of Iraq. It is of piece with blaming Putin for aggression in Ukraine.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 16 2014 18:15 utc | 10

The Jewish holocaust lasted 5 years. The Jewish israeli Holocaust inflicted on the Palestinians is now 67 years old…

The israeli soldiers and their silly generals must feel very manly to be able to kill chiildren, with impunity.

Here’s an effective and succinct summary of israeli policies:

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 18:16 utc | 11

Could people now stop defending Sisi that have no problem working with Israel and the US before palestinians themselves?!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 18:21 utc | 12

@Anonymous (Jul 16, 2014 2:21:24 PM | 10):

Who here has actually defended Sissy-pants?

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 16 2014 18:31 utc | 13

@ 8

forgot this:

and English trans

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 18:35 utc | 14

Seamus Padraig

Users like Fernando, Mina, guest77 have eagerly defended Sisi on this site.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 18:39 utc | 15

Well. At least you didn't cuss.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 18:52 utc | 16

It's so important to keep our emotions in check and not get angry. Let's be civilized.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 18:54 utc | 17


Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 18:54 utc | 18

Hamas is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it accepts 10 conditions. The Jerusalem Post reports, based on an Israeli Channel 2 newscast, that Azmi Bishara announced the proposal on Al Jazeera television today. Bishara, a former Israeli Knesset member, fled Israel in 2007 after being accused of spying for Hezbollah. He is currently living in Qatar where he is a high level government advisor.

According to Ma’ariv (Hebrew) these are the conditions:

Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.

Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.

Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.

Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.

Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.

Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.

International forces on the borders.

Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.

Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.


Reason behind the 10 years, according to Hamas, is to give Israel the necessary time to get out of the totality of historic Palestine. A senior Hamas spokesman said so this afternoon in an interview.

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 19:15 utc | 19

Judgement is at hand, it seems.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 19:22 utc | 20

But don't be confused about it. Israel is being judged.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 19:23 utc | 21

That's why they have just declared a "humanitarian" truce.

I guess propaganda and the Hasbara crowd being paid $2000 by the ministry of "disinformation" can't deny what a hotel full of journos have witnessed.

Posted by: Yul | Jul 16 2014 19:35 utc | 22

Poor Israel. TOO LATE, lying scum.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 19:42 utc | 23

Stop making me laugh a terrible laughter.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 19:42 utc | 24

Cdk, wouldnt it make more sense to make one comment with several lines instead of several one line comments?

Posted by: Massinissa | Jul 16 2014 19:47 utc | 25

Yes, Massinissa, it truly would. I just can't seem to do it. lol I have after-thoughts. Are there rules that I don't know about?

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 19:50 utc | 26

Because, for Heaven's sake, I sure do want to go by your rules, Massinissa. Just show me my script.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 19:53 utc | 27

cdk - paid by israel hasbara bullshit probably..

Posted by: james | Jul 16 2014 19:56 utc | 28

cdk - paid by israel hasbara bullshit probably.

james, yes. That makes perfect sense in bizarro world. Up is down, white is black, truth is lies, upside-down is right-side up.

Nice. Makes perfect sense if you're upside down and backwards.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 20:02 utc | 29

Anyone else?

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 20:10 utc | 30

“Justified Vengeance”, The Pretext for Bombing Gaza: Was the Netanyahu Government behind the Killings of the Three Israeli Teenagers?

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 20:29 utc | 31

American and Israeli War Crimes

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 20:32 utc | 32

Israel has become what it condemns and is in the process of committing the same crimes against the Palestinians and other ethnic minorities that were perpetrated against Jews in Nazi Germany. They may not have gas chambers yet, but the spirit is the same, right down to their own Kristallnacht. I have no sympathy for whatever befalls this state. They, like the US, are manufacturing enemies, both real and imagined, instead of reaching out to their fellow human beings in the same manner they so desperately needed during WWII.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jul 16 2014 20:39 utc | 33

The type of propaganda I am witnessing with my own eyes today? It makes me question everything that came before.


Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 20:44 utc | 34

Is there anyone here that would speak up for Israel?

No, I thought not.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 20:45 utc | 35

"To expect reasonability' from Israel or any of its rabid inhabitants? Yeah Id say that's a bridge too far. It would be more "reasonable" to expect "reasonability" from a Great White Shark chewing your leg off. The shark is just feeding. rabid Israeli murders do what they do for fun and (presumably) profit -although I cant see how they profit from it.

Posted by: Marc | Jul 16 2014 20:47 utc | 36

Info, pictures after israel slaughter 4 kids

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 21:08 utc | 37

I guess the U.S. is a good teacher. I'm sure it has to do with money. Hey, let's have a song:

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:17 utc | 38

Is Israel using DIME in Gaza?

Warning: very graphic

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 21:22 utc | 39

US citizens: Unhappy with what your tax dollars are used for? Then stop financing terrorism, which is against the law--US and International.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 16 2014 21:26 utc | 40

Dear crone, if there's a question then of course the answer is yes.

I know, I know. Where the FUCK IS everybody?

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:26 utc | 41

karlof1, I thank you so very MUCH for your input.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:28 utc | 42

It's been a set up, amr? Muslims. God bless America.


Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:31 utc | 43


The U.S. is very far up Israel's rectum. Or is it the other way around?

Money, money, money, money!

Who teaches whom?

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:37 utc | 44

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:40 utc | 45

On Tuesday, the U.S. Senate subcommittee that doles out defense spending approved a bill to give Israel $621.6 million for those missile defense systems.

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 21:49 utc | 46


I’m wondering why the following thirteen short non sequitur (having little or no relevance to what proceeded it) posts are acceptable in this otherwise intelligent and pertinent discussion of your original post. They have all the earmarkings of a disruptive agenda. Not uncommon here where your so magnanimous monitoring allows even the trivial. But this poster is beyond the pale. Now I expect a barrage of vitriol but considering the source I’ll take it as a compliment.

And then of course as I typed this post there more shit spewed upon us.

“Well. At least you didn't cuss.”

“It's so important to keep our emotions in check and not get angry. Let's be civilized.”


“Judgement is at hand, it seems.”

“But don't be confused about it. Israel is being judged.”

“Poor Israel. TOO LATE, lying scum.”

“Stop making me laugh a terrible laughter.”

“Yes, Massinissa, it truly would. I just can't seem to do it. lol I have after-thoughts. Are there rules that I don't know about?”

“Because, for Heaven's sake, I sure do want to go by your rules, Massinissa. Just show me my script.”

“james, yes. That makes perfect sense in bizarro world. Up is down, white is black, truth is lies, upside-down is right-side up.
Nice. Makes perfect sense if you're upside down and backwards.”

“Anyone else?”

“The type of propaganda I am witnessing with my own eyes today? It makes me question everything that came before.

“Is there anyone here that would speak up for Israel?
No, I thought not.”

Well alright cdk, I’ll speak up for Israel, or more specifically the Israelis who undergo the terror of the violence that is directed on them. But I’ll also mention that they, the average person in this conflict are more the victims, not of Hamas or the Palestinians, but the deranged leaders of the US proxied terrorists in the their own government.
Now either add something of sincere thought and value or just go away. So far you are but a transparent disruptive troll.

Posted by: juannie | Jul 16 2014 21:52 utc | 47

On Tuesday the whitewashed tombs spoke and words happened.


Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:53 utc | 48

juannie tl,dr

Whitewashed tomb.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 21:57 utc | 49

Please ban "cdk" that spam nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 21:58 utc | 50

Yes, please ban me.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 22:03 utc | 51

@ 45, 48

Add my request to the list b.

and now back to regularly scheduled programming:

Interesting article up at Pat Lang’s place (he is not author)


While I am not a military person, after years of studying history, it now seems to me that the reading of the tea leaves in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict foreshadow a changing of the meme. The leaves now seem to align to a conclusion that Israel may now be committing suicide. The myth cycle is turning against Israel.

Coming out of the holocaust, Israel had a huge moral benefit of western guilt that enabled it to expand within Palestine and to concentrate the Palestinian population into increasingly more restricted areas. The PLO’s support of violence, coming to the fore during the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre and the continuing Islamist violence thereafter gave Israel a free hand to fill nearly all of the lands of historic Israel without providing any real justice to the displaced Palestinians. Immigration from Russia strengthened Israel’s power by increasing its population beyond its existing birthrate. That population growth pressured the forming of the West Bank Settlements that devastated the life of the West Bankers.

As the decades passed, more Islamist violence further estranged western sympathy away from the Palestinians. Israel was able to cast itself as the David standing up to the Islamic hoard and thereby captured the unquestioning support of most of the American polity. The meme was supported by the accommodation of Egypt and Jordan who did not want the Palestinians interfering in their nations and eliminated thousands.

more at link

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 22:06 utc | 52



Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 22:07 utc | 53

That's okay. I ban myself. No worries.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 16 2014 22:09 utc | 54

no bomb shortage of bunkers for hamas but no bomb shelters for the midst of a war kids are sent out to play soccer on a beach rockets are being fired from.
ready made for tv complete with video and journalist on hand to administer first aid
the iconic ending hamas has been after for 10 days

bravo bravo........let the band play on

Posted by: mco | Jul 16 2014 22:24 utc | 55

jews get away with their crimes because
1. they use money(ofteh stolen) to control politicians
2. they see themselves as Chosen a Master Race
3. They invokke their patented holocaust narrative to shut down criticism
4. the hatred they arouse thru their behavior they use to shut down criticism by invoking the Holocaust(TM) narartive

Posted by: brian | Jul 16 2014 22:25 utc | 56

Brian: The people you describe are Zionists, not jews.

Until people come to understand there is only one Tribe--the human tribe--the sins of tribalism will continue. Unfortunately, such solidarity is against the interests of the 1%, which benefits greatly from ongoing tribalism; thus, it's continuity. If humanity is capable of rising above itself, it might be saved; otherwise, it will prove to have been a Plague Species and eliminate most of itself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 16 2014 22:59 utc | 57

What's going to happen to little Israel when the Great Protector comes crashing down? Whether it's derivatives, stock market, treasuries fire sale, the petrodollar itself, one thing's for sure, the big beast is crumbling. Its vast structures are creaking and groaning; it has started to lurch around like a drunk and spew out blood and violent regime change in spasmodic and obscene bursts. It's prisons bulge, its products are increasingly second-rate (B 787, F 35), as are its leaders.

Then how many friends will the Zionist state have? And how many very bitter enemies? With the Yankees reduced perhaps Shia and Sunni will settle differences and direct their considerable attentions to the tiny state that is the real source of all their troubles. A state that murders children on the beach but shrinks back, cowering and terrified, from the fighters of Hezbollah.

Posted by: BrevigBay | Jul 16 2014 23:23 utc | 58

So what if I defended him then, I can condemn him now you bag of yellow and bloody puss. I'm sorry your girlfriend also has a loose vagina.
I also liked Morsi at first, the muslim brotherhood was meant to do great things. I even enjoyed his rants because he sounded like a wrestler on the WWE.
Then it became useless, like YOU!
Then Al Sisi seemed ok, but he is not. So forget it, his poster is coming off my wall. I'm also disapointed Al Assad has not done more to protest or show his distaste with this slaughter going on in Gaza.
Comandante Chavez, RIP, he would have loudly denounced this. His voice would have been heard in Latin America and things would have been shaken up down here.
On my facebook page, I put up many pics of the wicked things being done in Palestine, many former israeli friends have stopped talking to me, no problema I gladly face these things.
I do not remain silent when I walk down the street, I do take truth to power.
I do not remain ANONYMOUS.
Hasta luego pendejo.

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 16 2014 23:27 utc | 59

... The people you describe are Zionists, not jews.

Disagree... each one of the 4 items references a Jew.

The term 'zionist' is a smokescreen... and attempt to avoid saying Jew... just as Neocon is a smokescreen.
While it may be true that some non-Jews are zionists, the majority are Jews. You know it and I know it.

Zionist is a 'coined' word (well, so what you say... many words are) ~ from the bible, specifically the OT, used to mean a "fortress" - evolving to mean a specific place, Jerusalem...

The bible is a poor source in discussing geopolitics. Currently, I think it is often defined as "Jewish nationalism movement with the goal of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine." see

Until people come to understand there is only one Tribe--the human tribe--the sins of tribalism will continue. Unfortunately, such solidarity is against the interests of the 1%, which benefits greatly from ongoing tribalism; thus, it's continuity. If humanity is capable of rising above itself, it might be saved; otherwise, it will prove to have been a Plague Species and eliminate most of itself.

I agree with your statement... but again, I would ask who is the 1%? If you check I think you will find that most of them are also Jewish.

Jews have rendered it impossible to call it as it is... my post will probably be banned. But I am sick to dead of this 'dance' everyone does...

52% of the officials in the US State Dept. are Jewish; 80%+ of the officials surrounding Obama in the WH are Jewish. If JFK had surrounded himself with 15% catholics he would have been impeached, or killed sooner. If Obama had surrounded himself with 20% African Americans red-necks from all over the country would have appeared in Washington DC to run him out of town.

But no one says a word about any of this, or the fact that the US delegations sent to the ME to negotiate peace between Israel and Palestine are almost 100% Jewish. Or that the propaganda and disinformation coming through the tv comes from mostly Jewish mouths...

And this is not simply the case in the US... Merkel is Jewish; the chocolate oligarch appointed to replace the Ukrainian duly-elected president (or PM ~ I can't keep them straight) is Jewish... and on and on.

Now tell me, honestly ~ with .18% of the world's population (that includes Israel)do you not think the Tribe is a teensy bit overrepresented?

Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 23:28 utc | 60

Zionist is a person who believes in an ideology, a jew is a person of the jewish nation.
Your full of it.
Merkel is jewish too?
Carajo, increible.
Crone, your on the wrong blog. Please take an anonymous person with you and "go elsewhere"........

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 16 2014 23:36 utc | 61

Merkel Jewish? 1% majority Jewish???

Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jul 16 2014 23:42 utc | 62

Merkel is Jewish

And I've been called the residential (versus resident) clown? Good grief. Next we'll be told Putin and Sayyed Ali Khamenei are Jewish. They're everywhere — maybe even I'm Jewish and no one bothered to tell me.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 16 2014 23:48 utc | 63

The New York Times outdid itself in irony today.

There on the home page is a story by Isabel Kirshner: "Israel Town’s Emergency Routine: 30 Seconds to Run for Cover"

It starts with: "The usual crowd had gathered behind the police cordons after a rocket struck the yard of a house in this seaside town in southern Israel"...

Oh, the humanity! Seaside life in Israel is - obviously! - all-but-unliveable. How can you do anything other than get teary-eyed at the very thought of those poor, poor suffering Israelis, and the trials and tribulations they are going through?

Except..... right next to it is a story from Anne Barnard: "Four Young Boys Killed Playing on Gaza Beach"

It starts with: "Four young Palestinian boys were killed Wednesday when two explosions hit a jetty and beach where they were playing at the fishing port of Gaza City,"....

Hmmmm, is it just me, or is there some disconnect going on at the NY Times?

After all, it has just given equal coverage to a teeny-tiny little hole in some Israeli dude's front yard, which is rather pathetic when placed alongside a story of four Palestinian kiddies killed by gunfire from an Israeli corvette.

Kinda' puts things in perspective, and in a way that shows just how lame Isabel Kershner's efforts really are at smearing lipstick on that pig.

Still, she's probably get an award of some sort, and be lauded for her courage.....

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 16 2014 23:52 utc | 64

@Fernando (57):

I'm also disapointed Al Assad has not done more to protest or show his distaste with this slaughter going on in Gaza.

As you surely know, Dr. Assad is very preoccupied with the Saudi/Turkish/US backed slaughter going on in his own country at the moment. Please don't make it sound as if he weren't pulling his weight. Especially after all he did for Hamas through the years, only to have them ditch him in his hour of need.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 16 2014 23:57 utc | 65

@53 "in the midst of a war kids are sent out to play soccer on a beach rockets are being fired from."

Utter nonsense.

William Booth from the Washington Post was there, and his report refutes your claim.

He pointed out that it was not unusual for rockets to be fired near his hotel, sure, but he points out that the attack was launched against "a small fisherman’s shack on the quay".

The boys then ran across the beach to try to reach (relative) safety, and while they were exposed and vulnerable on that beach the IDF launched a second round that killed them.

After all, use your brains: you can't dig tunnels under a beach, nor can you set up rockets on a beach without every Israeli drone within miles seeing you instantly.

A beach is, in every sense, a spectacularly useless place for setting up rockets.

The beach is a beach is a beach is a beach, and those boys were there because they were helping their fathers to set up the fishing boats.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 17 2014 0:06 utc | 66

The Israeli are murdering for their living space, no irony there. And the rest of the population offers no resistance. Maybe some in the press are wringing their hands but little else. It seems.

And in the US we hear cheers and "its not so bad" and in the rest of the world - the parts of the world long familiar with the same land-grabbing tactics, racism and ethnic cleansing like Venezuela, Iran, South Africa and elsewhere - we hear the outrage. And the reason is obvious - Western imperialism and the actions of Israel are one in the same. Israel is, in fact, the bulwark of "western" imperialism, racism, and militarism.

In the post 9/11 uptick in suicide bombings inside of Israel, we used to hear constantly the "Israel-USA death victim conversion chart". "80 Israelis dead..." we would hear "proportionally that's like another 9/11" and other such media concoctions to bolster the perception of Israeli victimhood.

So fine - just to be fair, lets stick with that. Lets do the conversion of militarism and racism and bad behavior and know that Israel, if we did so, would be far and away the most militarized, aggressive nation on the planet.

It would have a nuclear arsenal of some 11,000 nuclear bombs if it were proportional to the US (the US massive arsenal is less than half of that). It would have an army of 6 million active duty soldiers and 56 million under arms altogether. It would spend some $800 billion dollars if we include the proportionally boosted US aid. But most important, if Israel was the size of the US, it would have its foot on the neck of 161 million Palestinians, and would have killed - in this latest week-old outrage in Gaza alone - more than 1,000 Palestinians a day (about 8,500 in total).

That's the true scale of Israeli militarism. And for such a relatively small country, there is none so brutal and militaristic on this earth.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 17 2014 0:09 utc | 67

OT and unimportant but...

@Anonymous - no one ever praised Sisi here. No one. I dare you to find an example of that. Many though, me included, cheered the ouster of Morsi. Sisi is surely no good, but If Morsi had stayed in office with his plans to funnel jihadists to fight for the Syrian "rebels", what would Damascus and Homs look like today? What about Iraq? Or Lebanon? What would have happened to the whole region if Morsi had succeeded in his plans to turn Egypt massive, desperate population of 90 million - the majority of them under 18 if I'm not mistaken - into the foot-soldiers of the takfiris?

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 17 2014 0:16 utc | 68

@ 59 a jew is a person of the jewish nation.

Wrong! there is no Jewish NATION. There is Israel, which claims to be a democracy and a nation of Jews (a theocracy) ~ well, it can't be both can it?

Ask a Jew "what is a Jew, and even they can't tell you." Judaism is the religion of Jews. If you're athiest, are you Jewish? Some say it is a culture. Well, various groups of Jews across the planet have different cultures.

"In general, Orthodox Judaism considers individuals born of Jewish mothers to be Jewish, even if they convert to another religion. Reform Judaism views Jews who convert to another religion as non-Jews. For example "...anyone who claims that Jesus is their savior is no longer a Jew..."

see wiki

You're correct in that I misspoke with regard to Merkel... No, she is not Jewish

Posted by: crone | Jul 17 2014 0:22 utc | 69

Do kara querido Irlandes, I am not asking that the Dr, bomb Tel Aviv or send some boys to lob rockets over Haifa. If I'm not picking up a rifle to fight, I will not ask my fellow man to do so. No one who isn't willing to spill blood or get their face punched in has any right to demand anyone to step in and do that by proxy, that is what the USA and Euro politicians ask for all the time. For that reason I would spit at them happily and cheerfully. I've been a bouncer and a bodyguard, I've kicked some serious ass, if you were a pussy on the floor we would kick your ass later.

No I do agree that the Dr is pulling his weight but a more vocal protest would have been appreciated on my part. Unless it has escaped my attention.

And you, you old CROW. Those that refute the ethnicity called jews or hebrews is helping to perpetuate a lie.
It is a lie that has been perpetuated and spread to make jews seem less dangerous. If they don't exist then no one is perpetrating these acts, no?

It's like the phrase uttered by Kevin Spacey's character, Verbal Kent in the Usual Suspects.....
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was making people believe he did not exist"......

Keep repeating it to yourself you old CRow, like George Costanza, you just MIGHT believe your own lies.

Que gracioso, eres un chiste hahahaha!!!

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 17 2014 1:49 utc | 70

Some of my best friends are jews!!!!!

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 17 2014 1:51 utc | 71

What's happening in Gaza is cruel, cold-blooded murder perpetrated by an imperialistic, apartheid state. I'm as angry as JSorrentine. Every asshole that supports or excuses what Israel is doing can go straight to hell.

Posted by: ess emm | Jul 17 2014 1:51 utc | 72

Guest77 thank you for clearing that up, I don't remember PRAISING SISI. But I am an old man and I forget things, as I am realizing more and more everyday :(

Hmmmmm I just forgot what else I was going to say. Conho!

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 17 2014 1:56 utc | 73

Great graphic at the Countercurrent site

A good cartoon, by Martyn Turner, of a heavily armed soldier shooting fish in a barrel in today's Irish Times too.

And then there is the Angry Arab where there is always good stuff.

Jonathan Cook confirms b's story and adds detail about the way it was cooked up:

The Independent has a big story "How the West Bankrolls ISIS":

Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2014 2:54 utc | 74

"That population growth pressured the forming of the West Bank Settlements that devastated the life of the West Bankers." @50

This is a myth, often used to mitigate the illegality of these "settlements." It would have been far easier and more economical to build in the territories occupied before 1967. The Settlements do not exist to house people but to dominate the landscape, to push Palestinians into discrete enclaves and to prepare the way for a Final Solution of ethnic cleansing and eretz Israel.

No doubt this is all widely understood but this zionist propaganda ought to be recognised as such.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2014 3:05 utc | 75

via Richard Silverstein

"... The problem for Bibi is that Hamas’ rejection has put him on the spot. He now really has to crap or get off the pot regarding a ground invasion. It appears the IDF wants Operation Protective Edge to be essentially a theatrical production in which it osentatiously briefs the media about the hundreds of targets struck. All this is supposed to assure the Israeli public that its national army is really doing something concrete, when it’s doing almost nothing that will deter anyone for any length of time.

The IDF does not want to invade Gaza. It remembers the punishing reception it received from Hezbollah in 2006. It remembers the tongue-lashing it suffered at the hands of the Goldstone Report (till its main author recanted under pressure from the pro-Israel auto da fe). Though the IDF isn’t a very effective fighting force, its leaders understand the implications of a ground invasion. If you thought the air war was bloody, the next stage will see rivers of blood rushing through the alleys of Gaza.

In a way, Israel’s ploy is liable to blow up in its face. It thought it had pulled one over on Kerry. But the rejection of the ceasefire has applied much greater pressure on Israel to act. When Israel acts it always overdoes it: too many dead, too many injured. Lots of photos of martyred children, bombed mosques. The coming days promise more of the same."

Posted by: crone | Jul 17 2014 3:09 utc | 76

At some point we need to be able to criticize Jewish racism, Jewish fundamentalism, and Jewish culture just as much as we have spent decades critiquing white racism, Christian fundamentalism, and white culture.

You can cry and beat at your breast all you like, but condemning racism, ostracizing the notion that one group is the chosen people and the rest are not, is not tantamount to bigotry. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Cahokia | Jul 17 2014 3:13 utc | 77

Seumas Milne at The Guardian:
....The idea that Israel is defending itself against unprovoked attacks from outside its borders is an absurdity. Despite Israel’s withdrawal of settlements and bases in 2005, Gaza remains occupied both in reality and international law, its border, coastal waters, resources, airspace and power supply controlled by Israel.

"So the Palestinians of Gaza are an occupied people, like those in the West Bank, who have the right to resist, by force if they choose – though not deliberately to target civilians. But Israel does not have a right of self-defence over territories it illegally occupies – it has an obligation to withdraw. That occupation, underpinned by the US and its allies, is now entering its 48th year. Most of the 1.8 million Palestinians enduring continuous bombardment in Gaza are themselves refugees or their descendants, who were driven out or fled from cities such as Jaffa 66 years ago when Israel was established.

"It can’t seriously be argued that Israel’s refusal to withdraw from the rump of the territory on which the United Nations voted to establish a Palestinian state in 1947 is because of rocket fire. It was after all during the period of quiescence over the past year that the Israeli government rejected the US plan for even a figleaf of a two-state solution – and stepped up illegal colonisation. As Netanyahu made clear this week, there cannot be “any agreement in which we relinquish security control” of the West Bank.

"So we’re left with a one-state solution, operated on ethnically segregated apartheid-style lines, in which a large section of the population has no say in who rules over them, indefinitely. But it’s folly to imagine that this shameful injustice will continue without an escalating cost for those who enforce it.

"Palestinian resistance is often criticised as futile given the grotesque power imbalance between the two sides. But Hamas, which attracts support more for its defiance than its Islamism, has been strengthened by the events of the past week, as it has shown it can hit back across Israel – while Abbas, dependent on an imploded “peace process”, has been weakened still further.

"The conflict’s eruptions are certainly coming thicker and faster. Despite heroic Israeli efforts to fix the narrative, global opinion has never been more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. But the brutal reality is that there will be no end to Israel’s occupation until Palestinians and their supporters are able to raise its price to the occupier, in one way or another – and change the balance of power on the ground."

It is a long piece, something worth forwarding to friends who don't understand the background.
Milne's father, who died last year, was Director General of the BBC when it still prized its credibility. Thatcher fired him. Zionism and neo-liberalism always march together.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 17 2014 3:18 utc | 78

Israeli Military "Denies Targeting Children" Slammed For "Not Having The Courage To Talk To Hamas"

In one of the most uncomfortable (and must-see) interviews, UK Channel 4's John Snow 'discusses' Israel's bombing raids and policies towards Hamas with Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev. The interview starts with a punch, "How does killing children on a beach contribute to your purpose of protecting Israeli civilians?" Regev ducks and weaves from question to question, flummoxed when Snow jabs, "if you couldn't tell these were 4 young Palestinian children playing football on a Gaza beach, you need better equipment," only to be slammed towards the end with, "why not be brave and talk directly to Hamas? You haven't got the courage." Not the kind of interview one is likely to see on US TV.


Posted by: crone | Jul 17 2014 3:55 utc | 79

"The beach is a beach is a beach is a beach, and those boys were there because they were helping their fathers to set up the fishing boats.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 16, 2014 8:06:26 PM | 64"

yes johnboy they were fishing..............rockets are flying,tanks are firing,ships are firing offshore and they are having a fun day at the beach.

seriously would you let your kids play on a beach in those circumstances.

Posted by: mco | Jul 17 2014 4:17 utc | 80

Posted by: mco | Jul 17, 2014 12:17:00 AM | 78

they may have thought: the chosen people wouldnt target civilians would they?

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 4:30 utc | 81

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 16, 2014 8:16:57 PM | 66

allow me to be the first...but for Sisi ad the egyptian militatr refusal to attack syria, syria might now be evenj worse off

President Mohamed Morsi voiced unfaltering support for the Syrian uprising against the regime of President Bashar Al-Assad in a speech on Saturday. He accused the Syrian regime of subjecting its people to “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” in his vow to provide financial aid and moral support to the Syrian rebels.

“We hear your call, Syria,” said President Morsi at the start of his speech. The president condemned Al-Assad’s regime for using foreign aid against its own people and pledged his commitment to “the liberation of the Syrian population.”

so the ninnies attacking Sisi must have approved of Morsi and his war on syria

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 4:40 utc | 82

back in the day,

Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi performs dramatic U-turn telling audience in Iran that he supported military intervention in Syria

Alastair Beach
Thursday 30 August 2012
The new Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsi, performed a
dramatic about turn today when he told an audience in Iran that he
supported military intervention in Syria – infuriating Bashar al-Assad’s
foreign minister and cleaving a gaping political fissure with Tehran.
Mr Morsi told the meeting of 120 countries at the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Tehran that the crisis in Syria was a “responsibility on all our shoulders” and that regional players should confront the “oppressive regime” President Assad.
His comments are likely to heap further pressure on Syria, where state TV reported that Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem had stormed out of the conference in disgust. Officials accused Mr Morsi of inciting rebels who are trying to topple the regime. But they will also deepen the widening rift with Iran, a Shia theocracy which is a long-standing ally of secular Syria.
The major Arab Gulf powers, including Qatar and Saudi Arabia, have long sought to undermine the regional ambitions of Ayatollah Khamenei, and the Egyptian president’s intervention will be viewed as a shot across the bows of Tehran, which stands to lose a key plank in its foreign policy if Assad falls.
Speaking to the conference yesterday, Mr Morsi said: "We all have to announce our full solidarity with the struggle of those seeking freedom and justice in Syria, and translate this sympathy into a clear political vision that supports a peaceful transition to a democratic system of rule that reflects the demands of the Syrian people for freedom."
His comments were at odds with a statement he made in July, when he said that military intervention against Syria – a country which was briefly subsumed into Egypt as part of the United Arab Republic until 1961 - was “not the solution”.
There was no direct reference to his Iranian hosts, but any collateral damage to Tehran’s prestige will be welcome. In one meeting during his presidential campaign, Mr Morsi assured hard line Sunni fundamentalists that any close alliances with Shia Iran – viewed with disdain by conservative orthodox Sunnis – was a “red line” he would not cross.
Today’s speech came after Mr Morsi decided earlier this month to purge the military of its highest ranking officer, Field Marshall Hussein Tantawi, in what many analysts viewed as high stakes strategy to bolster his own position.
Egyptian political expert Diaa Rashwan said Mr Morsi’s intervention was an attempt to set his own stall. “I think there was an internal change following the Tantawi dismissal,” he said. “When he initially said he was not in favour of intervention, Field Marshall Tantawi was still in charge.”

thanks to Sisi this didnt happen

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 4:46 utc | 83

the children were on the beach, just in front of the Al-Deira hotel, base for many of the journalists covering the Gaza conflict. there's a picture at the link and you can see how close they were to the hotel ~ about 200 metres (656 ft), according to reporter who witnessed it from the hotel

"... seriously would you let your kids play on a beach in those circumstances."

Palestinian children are not safe anywhere in Gaza... IDF pick them up off the street at will; break into their homes and take them in the middle of the night.

Posted by: crone | Jul 17 2014 4:47 utc | 84

Jewish settlers led by rabbi Yehuda Glick defile Aqsa Mosque

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, (PIC)– A group of Jewish settlers led by fanatic rabbi Yehuda Glick on Wednesday morning desecrated the Aqsa Mosque’s courtyards under police protection.

Their unwelcome presence at the Mosque created tensions between them and Palestinian worshipers who chanted protest slogans to fend them off.

Palestinian groups in occupied Jerusalem reiterated their appeal to the Arab and Islamic worlds to save the Aqsa Mosque and urged the Palestinians in the occupied territories to intensify their presence at the Mosque.

(Jews defile Christian churches in Jerusalem also)

Posted by: crone | Jul 17 2014 4:52 utc | 85

Who here has actually defended Sissy-pants?

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 16, 2014 2:31:22 PM | 11

Me and...

how many here defend Morsi?

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 4:52 utc | 86

Good site for info

Posted by: crone | Jul 17 2014 4:58 utc | 87

Comical alley: clean shaven totatlitarian saudi arabia state media calls president Assad 'totalitarian'

'Assad is an embattled president, facing an armed struggle against his totalitarian rule with no allure or support except that coming from Russia, Iran, China and Hezbollah, needless of course to say why.

The latter (Sisi) is a “charming” presidential candidate, undoubtedly enjoying a massive wave of popularity among the majority of his people who see in the retired field marshal as their “savior” from the Muslim Brotherhood’s totalitarian rule and poor administration of the Arab World’s most populous country.

the first paragraph is MEH! the 2nd is surprisingly accurate!

but if people read this knowing little of the region, no wonder they are confused

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 4:59 utc | 88

A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip.

Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to ‘little snakes.’

‘They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists,’ Shaked said, adding, ‘They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.’

And, fwiw, check out my article on MyFDL: 4 Boys Killed Playing on a Beach; 223 Palestinians, 1 Israeli Killed in Gaza Conflict.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 17 2014 5:39 utc | 89


You still dont get it do you? If you support Sisi you should support his friends too, Tony Blair and and Netanyahu.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 17 2014 8:31 utc | 90

@78:"rockets are flying,tanks are firing,ships are firing offshore and they are having a fun day at the beach."


Nobody is going to be standing on a F**KING BEACH setting up rockets to fire at Israel.


The very idea is beyond risible.

Those kids would have been visible to every set of IDF eyes turned in their direction (have I mentioned that this is why nobody would fire rockets from a beach? I think I did...), and so the only reason they died is because someone in the IDF saw some Palestinian kids on that beach and decided it would be A Fun Thing to see how many he could kill.

And, the IDF being the IDF, he took two shots at 'em.

One to smoke 'em out of the shack (minus the kid killed by that first shell)
The second one to whack some more as they ran across that beach to safety.

Don't blame anyone else but the dude who pushed the trigger because nobody - but n.o.b.o.d.y - made him squeeze that trigger.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 17 2014 9:35 utc | 91

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 17, 2014 4:31:09 AM | 88

do Tony and Bibi support president Assad?

funny friends who wont support Sisis friend....

no wonder your be embarrassed to put my name to that sort of thunk!

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 11:11 utc | 92

@brian (86):

'Assad is an embattled president, facing an armed struggle against his totalitarian rule with no allure or support except that coming from Russia, Iran, China and Hezbollah, needless of course to say why.

Ha, ha! Good one, brian. Here's how it should read: "...with no allure or support except that coming from HALF THE F-CKING WORLD."

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 17 2014 11:34 utc | 93

OK, I didn't realize how supporters Sissi had here. Personally, I don't support him or Morsi, and I didn't support Mubarak or Sadat either. Every Egyptian president since Nasser has been a total sellout.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 17 2014 11:37 utc | 94


Yes egypt is a mess and sisi show that he prefer is.rael before paleatinians. Shameful..

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 17 2014 12:21 utc | 95


Regarding the Assad/Gaza subject mentioned above, here's an update. I just read the text of Dr. Assad's inauguration speech at Information Clearinghouse. In it, he links the Gaza struggle to his own. Excerpt:

Your resilience constituted the official obituary of what was falsely called ‘the Arab spring’ and reset the course. Had this ‘spring’ been genuine, it should have started in the backward Arab countries. Had it been a revolution for more freedom, democracy and justice, it should have started in the most oppressive and tyrannical countries: the countries behind every catastrophe that befell this nation, behind every war against it, behind the intellectual and religious deviation and moral degradation. The existence of these countries is the West’s most important achievement and the most significant cause for Israel’s successes and continued existence. There is no clearer evidence than their current stand regarding the Israeli aggression against Gaza. Where is the ‘alleged’ zeal and ardour that they showed towards Syria or the Syrian people? Why haven’t they supported Gaza with arms and money? Where are their jihadists; and why haven’t they sent them to defend our people in Palestine?

In order to know the answer, we should know that what is happening today in Gaza, ladies and gentlemen, is not a separate or passing event. It is an integrated chain of events: from the occupation of Palestine, to the invasion of Iraq and trying to divide it now and the division of the Sudan all planned by Israel and the West and always executed by the states of tyranny and backwardness in our Arab world.

So true. God bless Syria!

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 17 2014 12:46 utc | 96

I can't find this in any "mainstream" western media outlet. Care to search?

Posted by: Amar | Jul 17 2014 13:20 utc | 97

yes @93

but the bit that regards that half as unimportant currently rule the world

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 13:45 utc | 98

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 17, 2014 7:37:03 AM | 94

this is the Ninni approach...the same sort claim NO to Assad and NO to ISIS/FSA/alnusra etc

Posted by: brian | Jul 17 2014 13:46 utc | 99

^Have some great analysis on Gaza

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 17 2014 13:58 utc | 100

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