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July 21, 2014

Hamas Not Yet Informed It Has Lost

Amos Harel reviews the Israeli campaign against the people of Gaza. He concludes:

Despite the optimism of decision-makers in Jerusalem, it seems that Hamas has not yet been informed that it has lost the war.

The Israeli army continues to have the same equipment, training and doctrine problems it had when it lost the 2006 campaign against the people of Lebanon.

The seven soldiers killed by a rocket-propelled grenade were travelling in an M-13 armored personnel carrier, used by the Americans in Vietnam and by the IDF since the 1970s.
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Questions also arise with regard to the crowding of dozens of soldiers from Golani’s reconnaissance battalion in the house that was hit by rockets. This is one more example of flawed decisions, following the mishap on Saturday, in which an Armored Corps officer and soldier were killed by Hamas fighters emerging from a tunnel.
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[I]t should be noted that in recent years the IDF has had no experience in ground battles in general and in Gaza in particular. Some of the combat experience was lost with a generation of commanders that retired. Training was also eroded over the last year due to budgetary considerations.

This while Israeli officers find Hamas fighter to be more competent than ever before:

“It was a very hard battle there,” a senior Israeli military official said. “I have to admit that we were facing good fighters from the other side.”

The Israeli army continues to excel in the genocidal killing of whole families when one member may or may not be somewhat related to the resistance. This morning a house in Rafah was bombed and at least 11 member of the same family were all killed. Another house was destroyed in Khan Younes where 17 24 27 member of another family were killed. It is such outrageous behavior that makes the world public turn against Israel.

Netanyahoo's war was launched to prevent the creation of a Palestinian unity government. His aim is to keep Gaza and the whole Palestinian cause drowned in formaldehyde. But that will no longer work. Hamas and the people of Gaza will not agree to a ceasefire without receiving any benefit in form of more open borders and the lifting of the Israeli/Egyptian siege:

[T]hose within Hamas who saw the crisis as an opportunity to put an end to Weissglass’s [formaldehyde] regime gained the upper hand. So far, they appear to have the majority of the population with them, because they seem to prefer death by F-16 to death by formaldehyde.

Posted by b on July 21, 2014 at 10:31 UTC | Permalink

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The IDF seems to be a shadow of its former self. Nasrallah was able to defeat them back in Lebanon II, Hamas is handing them their asses now...which begs the question whether the Entebbe op, etc, were real military coups or just propaganda coups that the West desperately wanted to believe at the time? Genuinely musing.

Posted by: Thumper | Jul 21 2014 10:49 utc | 1

Obvious that Abu Mazen and Israel try to get rid of Hamas.... again.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 21 2014 11:06 utc | 2

Hamas and the people of Gaza

The people of Gaza are hostages — of both Hamas and Israel. The people of Gaza and Hamas are not one, although Hamas will have you believe that. You can't claim the people of Gaza chose Hamas when they have no choice — they get whatever they get — there is no buffet of choices, and so it's a shit sandwich (Israel) and a shit sandwich (Hamas). They can't even take it or leave it — there is no leave it part — there is only the take it part, so to treat the people of Gaza as one with the shit sandwich that is Hamas is derelict and insulting. They're between a rock and a hard place and their only way out is through an international humanitarian effort that provides a massive refugee and immigration program so they can once and for all be relocated out of harm's way. We know now there will never be any one state or two state solution. My way is the only way. Getting Israel to concede and cry uncle to a one state or two state solution is not going to happen, and even if it did, Arab meddling would ensure that said solution would inevitably fail.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 21 2014 11:25 utc | 3

Just a thought; Net & yahoo?

Posted by: kjs | Jul 21 2014 11:29 utc | 4

@3 "and their only way out is through an international humanitarian effort that provides a massive refugee and immigration program so they can once and for all be relocated out of harm's way"

Ahh, OK, I see where you are coming from. You're talking about "right of return", correct?

Soooooo, if you take all those refugees who are now hemmed into Gaza and let them return to their homes in Sderot then..... they won't be firing any rockets from Gaza into Sderot.

Since - du'oh! of course! - they won't be in Gaza any more, because they'll be in Sderot.

I have to say I admire your strategic thinking, Coldie.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 21 2014 12:09 utc | 5

@ Cold N. Holefield (3):

You can't claim the people of Gaza chose Hamas when they have no choice...

Hole-in-the-Head, are you aware that Hamas won the election in Gaza? Of course they had a choice. They could have stuck with Fatah. Mind you, I'm not endorsing Hamas myself. They're a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, so I have a lot of problems with them. But it's obvious that they have a large and loyal following in Gaza.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 21 2014 12:15 utc | 6

@6 Well, actually, they didn't "win the election in Gaza". They won the election. The election for the PA legislature. The election held in all the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

There wasn't a separate "election in Gaza". There was just a single, state-wide election. Which Hamas won.

Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 21 2014 12:32 utc | 7

Pope Francis is demanding justice for the victims of Argentina’s worst terrorist attack

The Poop is demanding justice for something that happened 20 years ago, which was carried out by Mossad to frame Muslims, but he can’t spare a thought for the besieged of Gaza today? The silence from organized Christianity is deafening.

Posted by: papa | Jul 21 2014 12:34 utc | 8

If I have lost a Son or daughter or even a close Family member because of Israel. I would be in line to kill an Israeli . And the cycle will go on and on.

Posted by: Nini | Jul 21 2014 12:47 utc | 9

A great little piece from Glenn Greenwald on Netanyahu who learned fascism at his father's knee:

"Benjamin Netanyahu, yesterday, on CNN, addressing worldwide sympathy for the civilian victims of Israeli violence in Gaza:

'They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.'

"Joseph Goebbels, November 16, 1941, essay in Das Reich, addressing Germany sympathy for German Jews forced to wear yellow stars:

"'The Jews gradually are having to depend more and more on themselves, and have recently found a new trick. They knew the good-natured German Michael in us, always ready to shed sentimental tears for the injustice done to them. One suddenly has the impression that the Berlin Jewish population consists only of little babies whose childish helplessness might move us, or else fragile old ladies. The Jews send out the pitiable. They may confuse some harmless souls for a while, but not us. We know exactly what the situation is.'

"Rather than lard up the point with numerous defensive caveats about what is and is not being said here (which, in any event, never impede wilful media distorters in their tactics), I’ll simply note three brief points:

"(1) To compare aspects of A and B is not to posit that A and B are identical (e.g., to observe that Bermuda and Bosnia are both countries beginning with the letter “B” is not to depict them as the same, just as observing that both the U.S. in 2003 and Germany in 1938 launched aggressive wars in direct violation of what were to become the Nuremberg Principles is not to equate the two countries).

"(2) In general, the universality of war rhetoric is a vital fact, necessary to evaluate the merit of contemporary claims used to justify militarism (claims that a war amounts to mere “humanitarian intervention”, for instance, have been invoked over and over to justify even the most blatant aggression). Similarly, the notion that one is barred from ever citing certain historical examples in order to draw lessons for contemporary conflicts is as dangerous as it is anti-intellectual.

"(3) Anglo-American law has long recognized that gross recklessness is a form of intent (“Fraudulent intent is shown if a representation is made with reckless indifference to its truth or falsity”). That’s why reckless behavior even if unaccompanied by a desire to kill people – e.g., randomly shooting a gun into a crowd of people – has long been viewed as sufficient to establish criminal intent.

"One can say many things about a military operation that results in more than 75% of the dead being civilians, many of them children, aimed at a population trapped in a tiny area with no escape. The claim that there is no intent to kill civilians but rather an intent to protect them is most assuredly not among them. Even stalwart-Israel-supporter Thomas Friedman has previously acknowledged that Israeli assaults on Lebanon, and possibly in Gaza, are intended ”to inflict substantial property damage and collateral casualties” because “the only long-term source of deterrence was to exact enough pain on the civilians” (which, to the extent it exists, is the classic definition of “terrorism”). The most generous claim one can make about what Israel is now doing in Gaza is that it is driven by complete recklessness toward the civilian population it is massacring, a form of intent under centuries of well-settled western law...."

Posted by: bevin | Jul 21 2014 14:22 utc | 10

Obomba just called for a cease fire in Gaza.The calls to the WH must have swayed his sorry ass.As with the Ukrainian disaster,they keep saying public opinion is for the Zionists and Ukrainian govt,but they must be serial lying again,and again and again.....
Hamas scares me not one iota,and I trust religion over atheist monsters any day of the week,although I'm not particularly religious myself.What threat to America comes from the Ummah?caliphate? anyway,only Israel is the bugsplat on their windshield.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 21 2014 14:36 utc | 11

The massacre in Gaza last weekend was a classic IDF formula of taking revenge when they suffer massive casualties in war. Kinda like how the US army use to operate in Vietnam and Iraq where they'll kill whatever moves when they take massive casualties in a battle.

The IDF lost at least two commanders from the Golani brigade during their incursion into Gaza on Saturday, the revenge/response was massive shelling of the area in retaliation for the loss.

The Zionists believe since their lives are worth more than Arabs or anyone else, they need to kill more people for every troop the lose in the battlefield. True cowards they are.

Another telling thing is how they're reporting their casualties. Many IDF were killed in action last weekend in one day alone, but the numbers were reported in trickles in order not to upset their public. If this continues, we shall see more dead IDFs.

One thing they're very good at is mass killing of civilians and then conveniently blaming the victims for the deaths. This what the West supports!!!

Posted by: Zico | Jul 21 2014 14:41 utc | 12

The USA calls for a ceasefire usually when they see that Israel is loosing the military and the media war.
The same happened in 2006 when Israel wanted to "wipe off" Hezbollah in Lebanon. After one month of relentless bombing of Lebanon, the USA had to face that Israel was failing, then they told them to stop and called for a ceasefire.

It seems megalomaniac Israel is each time overestimating its military capabilities. It is high time it realizes that its military power will always be insufficient to tame the people resisting to the illegal occupation of their land and that it should think about a political solution.

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 21 2014 15:59 utc | 13

Israel denies the kidnapping of one or their soldier.

Will they announce it later or it never happened?

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 21 2014 16:00 utc | 14

ethnic cleansing from israel. this is a country which has based it's present political borders on ethnic cleansing.. for it to be doing it to another group of people is really quite a statement for the world to ponder..

Posted by: james | Jul 21 2014 16:55 utc | 15

james

Thats how racists function, israeli government like ukraine junta like to think that those are untermenschen. Thats why they can kill small kids and just walk away like its nothing special.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 21 2014 17:07 utc | 16

It will be interesting to see how this affects Hezbollah's calculations. Since it's been bogged down in Syria's civil war, Hezbollah has been vulnerable to an Israeli attack in the rear for several years now. This current fighting proves rather definitively that Hezbollah, even while distracted, is not actually vulnerable. Israel could bomb Lebanon, but it has no ability to seize more than a minimal amount of Lebanese territory. This might free up Hezbollah to respond more boldly if Israel risks any more bombing runs on "weapons convoys" (or whatever else) in Lebanon and Syria.

Posted by: Bill | Jul 21 2014 17:19 utc | 17

@ 10

No, I don't think Obama was persuaded by public reaction...

The way I see it is Israel has lost a lot of soldiers and many are wounded... Bibi has their blood on his hands and he is being pressured to stop - so, he called his puppet Obama and said "you need to pressure me publicly to stop" ~ see that gives Bibi an out - an exit strategy finally! He'll be able to say "we'll leave now, but we're not through Hamas, with whopping your butts."

That's how US foreign policy works.

Posted by: crone | Jul 21 2014 17:40 utc | 18

7 more murderous Israeli IDF scum killed.

Oh, I'm sorry, it's just terrible that these serial killer scum should lose their precious lives.

Well, at least they were doing what they most loved when they went: slaughtering innocent Palestinian families.

Rest in pieces, fuckers.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 21 2014 17:41 utc | 19

from The Intercept
"Netanyahu’s “Telegenically Dead” Comment Is Grotesque But Not Original
by Glenn Greenwald

"Benjamin Netanyahu, yesterday, on CNN, addressing worldwide sympathy for the civilian victims of Israeli violence in Gaza:

'They want to pile up as many civilian dead as they can. They use telegenically dead Palestinians for their cause. They want the more dead, the better.'

"Joseph Goebbels, November 16, 1941, essay in Das Reich, addressing Germany sympathy for German Jews forced to wear yellow stars:

'The Jews gradually are having to depend more and more on themselves, and have recently found a new trick. They knew the good-natured German Michael in us, always ready to shed sentimental tears for the injustice done to them. One suddenly has the impression that the Berlin Jewish population consists only of little babies whose childish helplessness might move us, or else fragile old ladies. The Jews send out the pitiable. They may confuse some harmless souls for a while, but not us. We know exactly what the situation is...' "

Posted by: bevin | Jul 21 2014 17:44 utc | 20

@4 Posted by: kjs | Jul 21, 2014 7:29:19 AM | 4

Nyet & Yahoo.

Posted by: MRW | Jul 21 2014 18:52 utc | 21

One other bit of propaganda that needs addressing: the use of the term "cycle of violence" to describe the 60+ year war of aggression on the part of the apartheid genocidal Israelis against the Palestinian people.

This propagandistic term is very clever and seemingly innocuous but connotes that - like a circle - a person just can't fucking tell how it all started and where it's going to end, who is the aggressor, who is the victim and that it's all just a perfectly balanced yin/yang of evil spread around evenly. How cute AND confusing, huh?

Yes, thankfully the "cycle of violence" was ended in Vietnam between the Americans and Vietnamese, huh?

That "cycle of violence" between the US and Iraq?

The "cycle of violence" between the Nazis versus the USSR, etc etc etc.

How were people ever able to figure out what happened with all that "spinning", huh? nudge wink

Look, it's not a fucking cycle of shit if it's one side clearly and continuously waging an aggressive war against another population/state.

It's a fucking straight line with a bloody fucking arrow on the end of it.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 21 2014 19:14 utc | 22

Two things to note:

The rocket fire out of Gaza has not stopped and the resistance factions seem to hurting the Israeli military in ground battles, with at least 25 killed and dozens more wounded.

The resistance forces in Gaza are now operating on the level of Hezbollah in 2006. They can fire rockets at will, and engage on the ground in a skilled manner. They can't yet stop the Zionists from massacring hundreds of Palestinians, but in a few years they might be able to do that if their rocket capabilities improve.

Posted by: k | Jul 21 2014 20:20 utc | 23

@10 and @20
Sorry about this repetition. For some reason I didn't see @10.


Posted by: bevin | Jul 21 2014 20:59 utc | 24

‪Reporter Breaks Down while Reporting on Israeli Killing of Palestinian Children‬
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZUIU3Z-_68&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dTHXLibFdX0wQHV_o6xEJ-S

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jul 21 2014 21:58 utc | 25

Posted by: Zico | Jul 21, 2014 10:41:07 AM | 12

Great comment Zico, that this is nothing unusual and also your parallel with the way the US a**holes when _their_ occupying troops suffer losses. I reposted most of it over in 496 Palestinians, 20 Israelis Die in Gaza Conflict; Why the Shujaiyah Massacre?

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 21 2014 22:51 utc | 26

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 21, 2014 6:51:25 PM | 26

Should be "the US a**holes REACT when"

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 21 2014 22:59 utc | 27

Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy by Thane Rosenbaum July 21, 2014

Under such maddening circumstances, are the adults, in a legal and moral sense, actual civilians? To qualify as a civilian one has to do more than simply look the part. How you came to find yourself in such a vulnerable state matters. ...

The people of Gaza overwhelmingly elected Hamas [lies deleted] ... What did Gazans think was going to happen?

What a friggin' lunatic! Oh wait, he's a what?!?: "Mr. Rosenbaum, a novelist, essayist and professor at the New York University School of Law, is the author, most recently, 'of "Payback: The Case for Revenge.'" Absurdly and outrageously, there are many such bleeps in US law schools advocating for Israeli war crimes.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 21 2014 23:24 utc | 28

630 palestinians dead now!
Meanwhile israel seems to bomb with white phosphor again!
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/07/21/372201/israel-drops-phosphorus-bombs-on-gaza/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 21 2014 23:28 utc | 29

Politically, the real losers in this appalling and obscene operation, apart from the US and its allies-smeared with shit by association- are the tyrants of Arabia, including the Napoleon of the Nile, President Sisi.

All are implicated in these zionist crimes, and not just in their commission, but in colluding with the most rabid elements in, the very rabid, international zionist culture.

The Kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia were sitting there in Sderot, clapping their hands and gulping down popcorn, along with Obama, Hollande, Cameron and Merkel. As to the US Senate, by unanimous vote, they ordered that those behind the hideous spectacle be rewarded, out of the taxes.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 22 2014 3:08 utc | 30

#30 bevin you might be right that one of the big losers in this latest Gaza war will be Sisi. Angry Arab has been posting the numerous demonstrations going on in the Muslim world. Support for the Palestinians and hatred for the Israelis is overwhelming. Sisi is definitely identified as a supporter of the Zionists against the Palestinians. There must be some lower level officers in the Egyptian military that are appalled at Sisi's betrayal. Do not be surprised to see one very violent coup erupt within Egypt's armed forces. The majority of troops as well as low level commissioned officers must be seething at the betrayal of the Palestinians. Sisi has spent too many years accepting accolades and money from Zionist sources to have noticed.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 22 2014 5:07 utc | 31

bevin

I agree with all except that they are the losers, I dont agree with that, they love to see Hamas murdered and Abu Mazen put in power there.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 22 2014 7:26 utc | 32

hamas are waiting for the lump sum payout

Posted by: mco | Jul 22 2014 10:10 utc | 33

This is funny, west today condemned antisemitism but not massacres by netanyahu!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 22 2014 13:45 utc | 34

The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce

During its first 14 days, the Israeli military aggression on the Gaza Strip has left a toll of over 500 dead, the vast majority of whom civilians, and many more injured. Thousands of houses were targeted and destroyed together with other essential civilian infrastructures. Over one hundred thousand civilians have been displaced. By the time you will read this article the numbers will have grown higher and, despicably, no real truce seems in sight. When I say real, I mean practicable, agreeable to both sides and sustainable for some time.

The Israeli government, followed suit by Western media and governments, was quick to put the blame on Hamas for that. Hamas – they claim – had an opportunity to accept a truce brokered by Egypt – and refused it. Others have already explained at length why this proposal crafted without any consultations with Hamas, was hard to accept by Hamas.

Much less noticed by the Western media was that Hamas and Islamic Jihad had meanwhile proposed a 10 year truce on the basis of 10 – very reasonable – conditions. While Israel was too busy preparing for the ground invasion, why didn’t anyone in the diplomatic community spend a word about this proposal? The question is all the more poignant as this proposal was in essence in line with what many international experts as well as the United Nations have asked for years now, and included some aspects that Israel had already considered as feasible requests in the past.

much more at link http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/deafening-silence-proposal.html

Posted by: crone | Jul 22 2014 14:30 utc | 35

Re Sis;Yeah,the cruds are in Egypt trying for a ceasefire,and by going to
Egypt they further legitimize their fidget puppet.
Crone; Of course the Israelis run US,but sometime the WH lines do have an effect,see Syria.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 22 2014 14:46 utc | 36

Toivo @31
I agree. I have been waiting for "the junior officers" to act since Siusi first emerged from the slime. May God be with them!

Anon @32
I don't disagree except that I think that Dahlan, who makes Abu Mazen look like Lenin, is the candidate.

A good piece by Tariq Ali- a pleasant change after his Syrian nonsense-
Tariq Ali
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/22/blinded-by-israel-visionless-in-gaza/

And another on France by Diane Johnstone
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/22/why-israel-needs-anti-semitism/

Posted by: bevin | Jul 22 2014 15:17 utc | 37

@ 37 thanks bevin... I admire Diane Johnstone very much ~ she wrote much about Iraq.

Posted by: crone | Jul 22 2014 17:02 utc | 38

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