Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 04, 2014

Germany Getting Ready To Divorce U.S. Ally

From recent talks and discussions in Germany I conclude that the U.S. is losing more and more support and sympathies. The admiration of earlier times has turned into disgust. While a lot of higher politicians and some journalists still cling to some (well paid) myth of U.S. friendship the party base in all political parties as well as the general public has changed its opinion.

The NSA spying headlines are only one, though important issue. Consider how you would feel about such an intrusive "ally":

The German constitution, as interpreted by the constitutional court, defines privacy as a basic human right. That the U.S. is so casually violating the basic human rights of all German citizens is met with utter disgust. Even the paid and trained Atlantic Council (a U.S. lobby) trolls in German news-site comments have problem defending this issue.

But the NSA spying is not the only problem. The economic breakdown after 2008 clearly had its roots in the United States and is, in Germany, blamed on lax U.S. regulations. And while Germany itself pressed for a change in government in Ukraine the outbreak of violence, the bloody coup and the fighting in the east is considered as "Fuck the EU" U.S. intervention in European affairs.

It may still take a decade or more but my sense is that the U.S.-German alliance in on its way to an unfriendly divorce. Something that 15 years ago seemed unthinkable.

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@97: enlighten yourself, read the book, then you will notice: abolition doesn't mean civil rights if the former slaves are not strong enough, it mostly meant Jim Crow or Apartheid as in South Africa.

and two of the biggest slave uprisings happened in - not the southern states but Manhattan: 1721 and 1741. Slave trade was financed from New York, Rhode Island, Massachusets, even over and above 1807 when the US finally bowed down to demands for an end in international trade in slaves, not slavery itself. And these "northern" circles also were the most important ones in financing the much bigger slave trade to Brasil and the Carribeans all over the centuries

Posted by: thomas | Jul 5 2014 16:10 utc | 101

And these "northern" circles also were the most important ones in financing the much bigger slave trade to Brasil and the Carribeans all over the centuries

Posted by: thomas | Jul 5, 2014 12:10:55 PM | 101

And a large part of those "northern" circles were of J[censored]ish extraction - (just as they are today)

Posted by: mol | Jul 5 2014 17:39 utc | 102


your stupidity is only exceeded by your inability to engage in any reasonable discussion, just laughable... but typically of all your racist and antisemitic ranters here and everywhere

from Wikipedia:

Until the 1830s the Jewish community of Charleston, South Carolina, was the most populous in North America. ... From a population of 1,000–2,000 Jewish residents in 1790, mostly Dutch Sephardic Jews, Jews from England, and British subjects, the American Jewish community grew to about 15,000 by 1840, and to about 250,000 by 1880. Most of the mid-19th century Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants to the US came from diaspora communities in German-speaking states, in addition to the larger concurrent indigenous German migration. They all initially spoke German, and settled across the nation, assimilating with their new countrymen; the Jews among them commonly engaged in trade, manufacturing, and operated dry goods (clothing) stores in many cities.

Posted by: thomas | Jul 5 2014 18:11 utc | 103

James,
I can't give figures now, but the Euro was based on the fact, that Deutschmark had already been a world currency. And the Euro was meant and very successful in downsizing the dependency of german export from US-markets. The so called "Euro crisis" in the real world is the hegemony of german based creditors in the EU. There is a whole world of non-US debitors, that is to say: debitors that can't rely on Fed money printing, which would create Deutschmark demand if Germany decided to return to a currency made of its single sovereign debt.

Given this assumption, there are only two feasible reasons for German obedience to NATO confronting Russia: Either they bet on a faction in US-policy oposing the NATO strategy, or they see themselves under military threat.
To the day I see no evidence for German disobedience, just some obstruction and symbolic gestures similar to those of the green / social democrate coalition after the millenium.

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 5 2014 19:02 utc | 104

104 addendum
mind the fact, that Germany also could skip the majority of its dollar bills for energy consumption within less than two years.

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 5 2014 19:07 utc | 105

Watch how nice merkel etc, already, arent talking about the spy case, there is no divorce.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 5 2014 19:16 utc | 106

wonder what kind of blackmail USG/NSA has on Merkel...

Posted by: crone | Jul 5 2014 19:18 utc | 107

@107 She was seen front row at Chippendales? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Posted by: dh | Jul 5 2014 19:23 utc | 108

Demian (38):

"Germany can get all its fossil fuel needs satisfied by Russia, which is a reliable partner."

Yes, that's why Putin is being so solicitous towards Europe. Since Russia now dominates the European oil/gas market, he believes that he has a real chance of weening them off the US. But before the end of the cold war, that wasn't the case. The Middle East was Europe's principal oil supplier right through the 80's--even during the peak of the North Sea oil boom.

@(38):

"If German elites are serious about breaking with the US, a good place to start would be to report that the US has organized a genocide in the Ukraine."

The only problem is that the EU helped the US orchestrate this color revolution / coup. Germany initially played a prominent part, backing Vitaly Klitschko to replace Yanukovich. It was really only after Vicky Nuland elbowed him aside in favor of the US favorite that the EU felt they had lost control of the situation. And didn't they still sign their little association agreement with Poroshenko, the new ethnic-cleanser in chief of Ukraine?

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 5 2014 19:39 utc | 109

107

Which makes me wonder why EU accept being fooled by US over and over but still love US to death, what are these pathetic politicians afraid of?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 5 2014 19:46 utc | 110

Machos who think in penis-weapon terms and believe in the power of guns instead in the power of self-consciousness and democracy are self-responsible for every massacre inflicted on them

Thomas, I don't side with the all russian chauvinists leading or perhaps usurping Ukrainian resistance. If I lived in Ukraine, I definitely wouldn't fight them but try to lift them (judoka style). If you opposed this stance, saying: You are enemy, I'll kill you, I should say: Be it! I shall fairly fight you. But you sanctify the slaughtering of third party, you are a rat, a bug on which falls back its own verdict: I would applaud you being squashed, if I didn't knew, you are just a ranting doter.

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 5 2014 19:50 utc | 111

@Seamus Padraig #109:

Germany and the EU are not the same thing. EU policy towards the Ukraine had been basically delegated to Poland and the Baltic statelets. I recently ran across a Russian op-ed that said that France and Germany have come to realize that letting Poland control EU policy toward the Ukraine is not a good idea.

Germans do not need to feel responsible for the genocide in the Ukraine. Putin actually said that Hollande and Merkel tried to push, along with Putin himself, Poroshenko to extend the "ceasefire". I think it is significant that Poland was not involved in those phone calls. So much for the Weimar Triangle.

Since Germany is not responsible for the genocide (the fascists and the US are), there is no valid reason for German media not to give it the coverage it deserves. (Not that it wouldn't be utterly irresponsible of the media to avoid covering the genocide even if Germany did bare some responsibility for it.)

German media basically ignoring the genocide, as far as I can tell, shows that German media is controlled by Atlanticists (which should not surprise anyone). That undermines b's thesis.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 5 2014 20:21 utc | 112

@111 - try to learn to read, think and differentiate, I didn't applaud anybody and anything but I don`t release a bunch of robbers, rightwingers and fascists from responsibility of inflicting a bloody rule on most of the unwilling people in eastern ukraine at gunpoint. They are no better than the ISIS gangs in Syria and Iraq.

Posted by: thomas | Jul 5 2014 20:27 utc | 113

Germany Getting Ready To Divorce U.S. Ally

I think b's confusing the marketing for the product.

Posted by: lol | Jul 5 2014 20:34 utc | 114

"... but I don`t release ..."

So you are God? Then I kill you on the spot whenever I meet you -

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 5 2014 20:41 utc | 115

These are very strange days. The media is completely oblivious to the slaughter of civilians in Ukraine by Right Sector and all the Odd Fellows gathered in Baghdad to protect from the city from the onslaught of be-headers but not one American Hellfire missile has been fired at ISIS in contrast to the rest of the Muslim world.

The only thing that makes sense is that we are now ruled by multi-national companies and their hanger-ons. Money is earned today by looting and war. Wars are fought by mercenaries and true believers. Politicians are frightened handmaidens of the Plutocrats. There is no prospect of a German USA divorce until the peoples of the Western democracies regain their sovereignty.

Endless wars, climate change, peak oil, quantitative easing, student debt, rigged elections, or depression; pick your choice for the trigger for the next political upheaval. Then maybe there will be a divorce and NATO will be ripped asunder; but, more likely is Armageddon.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jul 5 2014 21:00 utc | 116

Dmitry Tymchuk, a defence analyst with close ties to the Ukrainian military, … criticised the government's stated willingness to reopen negotiations with the rebels. "There is crazy pressure on the Ukrainian government from 'friendly' Europe to force it to end active operations in Donbass and announce another ceasefire," he said, noting that Germany in particular was leading the "pacifist choir".

The Guardian

That's a Ukrainian "defense analyst" for you: stopping the genocide of Russians is "crazy".

Anyway, this confirms what Putin said and the Russian press is reporting: that Germany is trying…

Posted by: Demian | Jul 5 2014 21:39 utc | 117

thomas,
get lost you god-damned drunk fucking faggot clown

Posted by: tamlin | Jul 5 2014 21:41 utc | 118

but, more likely is Armageddon.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jul 5, 2014 5:00:19 PM | 116

Oh just f*ck off, you depressing c*nt. Jeesus H Christ just f*ckin get on with it and die if its that appealing to you, you pathetic f*ck.

every time you post it's like being smothered in something sweet sticky and very very depressing

Posted by: lol | Jul 5 2014 22:06 utc | 119

@Demian #117:

It turns out (from a comment at the Guardian) that Dmitry Tymchuk is a rabid pro-junta propagandist. Funny that the Guardian chose to interview him. Anyone who calls insurgents/rebels "terrorists" can't be taken seriously as an analyst.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 5 2014 22:08 utc | 120

Scalawag @58

Here's a very detailed link to the background in the body part business. Apparently they paid 42,90 euros per arm in 2009 prices!

Posted by: Yonatan | Jul 5 2014 23:23 utc | 121

There's France to think about, too:

ZeroHedge: By "Punishing" France, The US Just Accelerated The Demise Of The Dollar

Posted by: Demian | Jul 6 2014 0:08 utc | 122

@thomas & l.o.l., two troll peas in a pod. Reviled universally. L.o.lickspittle has nothing to add, ever, and proves it here once again.

As for Thomas, this laughable little poser - hammering out a long screed about "universal brotherhood" as he passes his lonely, arrogant judgement on both victims and victimizers?

It's not Thomas' point that need to be refuted. It is Thomas himself who should be refuted. Thomas is a charlatan. What is it to him if women and children are being bombed and killed - they "deserve it" because their leaders haven't passed Thomas' ideological sniff test (not that thomas, faithful imperial citizen and no doubt good little consumer robot, has much hope of passing it either)?

Safe behind the police cordon and surveillance net of the Empire, Thomas, like Louis Proyect and other utterly useless, facile, chicken-shit pseudo-dissenters like them, fell brave enough to declare their "dissent" only when they can safely be sure they'll get the blessing of the Empire.

If I felt for a moment that Thomas was acting in good faith (which I certainly do not) I would advise him that the people of the Eastern Ukraine don't need any pedantic little empty-headed judgements from people not just far from the fighting, but actually deep inside territory fully under the control of the global ruling class. I would say they need our help because they are our brothers and sisters, and we know the forces arrayed against them are the CIA, the USA, and that their future is under the IMF should they lose. So wether we find them - from our far off, media obscured vantage to be sufficiently close to our own ideals or not, we owe them our solidarity because their enemies are our enemies (and we DO know that there are many leftists amongst them - like Borotba party to name one - and they HAVE made the appeals bevin suggests they make). But I won't bother, because thomas isn't acting in good faith. He is servant of those who want to impose the empire on the Eastern Ukraine.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 6 2014 0:33 utc | 123

the "US arrogance" behind the punishment of BNP is actually in service of Iran sanctions, implemented and enforced by the likes of Stuart Levey--so this blow to the USD once again comes from the implementation of neocon policy

thomas, i gather, is the kind of postwar German FDR envisioned

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jul 6 2014 1:10 utc | 124

Guest77 @123
Well said!

Posted by: Klystron | Jul 6 2014 6:48 utc | 125

"... but I don`t release ..."

So you are God? Then I kill you on the spot whenever I meet you -

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 5, 2014 4:41:14 PM | 115

come on you fucking little coward, pass me a visit. you may get my particulars from b., he knows me. But don't complain if you have to spend your life 5 feet down for the rest of eternity afterwards

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 7:50 utc | 126

It's not totally meritless what Thomas brought up.
Yes, the leading figures (or figureheads) of the "Peoples Republics" and its militias are right wingers or even fascists. But their role is not the result of their attitudes and dispositions, it is the other way round, the situation in Donbass choosed those kind of people for their role. They are doing a "job", because what they did was the only option beside total submission to the galizien fascists. No way to keep a kind of stateless communality, no way to build a viable ministate, and all odds against being annexed to Russia.

But this situation reflects another one that no one likes to refer to: The civil societies in Ukraine are totally fucked up. The geostrategic condition of Ukraine has never left room for anti authoritarianism. Holomodor was to a great extent - some historians say mostly - the result of authoritarian mismanagement (not "terror") because Moscow didn't tolerate any local rule, especially not the rule of local communist / republican peasantry.

I think that is at the bottom of a condition that made it possible for NATO to act with not much more than 20 thousand agents and right wing activists, perhaps less, and even against disobedience and passive resistance of a big part of armed state personell. With hindsight the odessa massacre proved a rational operation, because it crushed all operative resistance in the city and district. Its the old story: The populace asks its masters: Are you serious with killing us? The masters say "yes" and the populace atomizes, everybody running for his life.

Class-struggle is an euphemism for such a condition, or, if it is class-struggle, it is returning to the actual and historical core of it, the enslavement of woman, their offspring and spouses by a warrior "aristocracy" on a given territory.

So there is nothing else to expect than war of rivaling chiefs and factions of those warriors - with different affiliations to the outside world.

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 6 2014 7:58 utc | 127

126
"come on you fucking little coward ..."

So obviously you are no longer capable to realize a paradoxal statement even if it is put the most grossly and humourous way. Go get you some holidays.

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 6 2014 8:06 utc | 128

your pretended "humour" is as stupid as your political analysis. The Donbass people had all the chances to keep their region autonomous. When the Kiev junta in March made it's first military approach into the region they were stopped by hundreds of unarmed women, children, men on the roads and had to leave. The Donbass inhabitants only had to multiply these strategies by the thousands all over their places and they would have caught 90% of the public in Europe (don't know how much in the US) positively. But then in April the Strelkov robber gangs stepped in with that known macho style and committed crimes like shooting people who didn't support them (and there were a lot) and posing as big military strategists. The Kiev junta and their supporters in Europe and the US exactly needed this kind of enemy to spin the propaganda of "terrorism".

A massive mass movement against any attempt by the junta to conquer the region would have also shown a glimpse into a future society in the region, based on self-determination, self-consciousness and justice.

But today everything is just totally fucked up

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 8:25 utc | 129

Kramatorsk salutes the liberators. Nearly 10 inhabitants cheering the hoisting of their flag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMI-qJGvmsM

In Slawjansk there was nobody left to carol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO67g-dx3Vk

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 6 2014 9:07 utc | 130

129
"A massive mass movement against any attempt by the junta to conquer the region would have also shown a glimpse into a future society in the region, based on self-determination, self-consciousness and justice."

What should the people live on? The entire region depends on coal- and steel industries plundered and wrecked by Achmetow, Kolomojsky and other oligarchs, plus some machine manufacturing, with mostly outdated equipment, much of it on the edge of being closed and no chance to avoid closing in case of sanctions. The only wealth of the region, trained and skilled workforce, suffered drain abroad for 20 years. Perhaps half of the residual workforce would have had to follow in case of "autonomy".

You aren't even dreaming, but halluzinating.

Posted by: TomGard | Jul 6 2014 9:27 utc | 131

my gosh, how unimaginative you are. so many regions in the world had and will have to face changes in economic patterns and structures, but with pessimistic "advises" like yours why not immediately shoot yourself in the head? history is development, and people have to change their behaviour, their state of mind from "somedody must do something" to "I will do something"

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 10:02 utc | 132

@123: I posted statements and analyses from borotba, avtonomia, gaslo etc. from ukraine independent left thinkers in February / March already when fighting this spitting machine Mr. Pragma, as well as during the last months. But you and most of the readers and commenters here prefer not to read and think autonomously but need a leader like the pied piper of Hamelin

yesterday in this blog I re-posted two statements of avtonomia @59 + 60, what are your thoughts on that???

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 10:20 utc | 133

"in February / March already when fighting this spitting machine Mr. Pragma"

nice job winning that fight when your friend b. banned Mr. Pragma, a real macho victory thomas

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jul 6 2014 13:00 utc | 134

@Demian (112):

Germans do not need to feel responsible for the genocide in the Ukraine.

I never said that Germany was responsible for the genocide. I simply pointed out that they had initially helped out with the Maidan color-revolution in the hopes of putting Klitschko into office. It seems that, as soon the shooting on the Maidan started up, Germany (along with the rest of the EU) saw the danger and was eager to negotiate some sort of compromise with Yanukovich. They never wanted any kind of violence in Ukraine. I speculate that they were simply used by Washington, then pushed aside when no longer needed.

Since Germany is not responsible for the genocide (the fascists and the US are), there is no valid reason for German media not to give it the coverage it deserves.

The 'Atlanticists' in the European media don't want their people to begin questioning the very dangerous policies of perpetually expanding the EU and NATO by means of regime-change ops in unstable countries bordering Russia. The near-inevitable result of all this will be--in fact, has been--war. If people in the EU ever realized all the trouble these operations caused, they would grow more critical of their own governments' complicity in them.

German media basically ignoring the genocide, as far as I can tell, shows that German media is controlled by Atlanticists (which should not surprise anyone). That undermines b's thesis.

Sadly, Demian, you're right. But the good news is that, unlike in the US, it seems a sizable majority of the ordinary people in Germany are not drinking the Atlanticist Kool-Aid. I only hope you all still have some effective control over your own government. Your destiny--and the destiny of peoples elsewhere--depend on that.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 6 2014 13:11 utc | 135

I agree with the other posters above regarding this 'thomas' character. He's worse than a troll; he's a rank idiot.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 6 2014 13:23 utc | 136

Israel and Ukraine seems to be led by the same crazy people.

http://rt.com/news/170740-palestinian-teenager-house-arrest/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 6 2014 13:25 utc | 137

"genocide in the Ukraine"

Stupidity rules the waves. Are you all commenting from an asylum?

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 13:38 utc | 138

thomas

What would you call it?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 6 2014 13:50 utc | 139

I told you already:

Machos who think in penis-weapon terms and believe in the power of guns instead in the power of self-consciousness and democracy are self-responsible for every massacre inflicted on them.

They deserve total defeat. I don`t release a bunch of robbers, rightwingers and fascists from responsibility of inflicting a bloody rule on most of the unwilling people in eastern ukraine at gunpoint. They are no better than the ISIS gangs in Syria and Iraq.

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 13:54 utc | 140

thomas

But what would you call it? You rejected the "gencoide" term.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 6 2014 14:11 utc | 141

Use your own brain, it's an armed fight between two assholes - the Kiev junta and the Donbass robber gangs. To call one side "genocide" is an insult against every historical genocide and is only used by these special commenters here to masturbate themselves into some state of mind they can never reach otherwise anymore

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 14:20 utc | 142

there are innocent people being killed on both sides of the assholes trenches, exsp. children; but please spare me with these one-sided hysterical and unhistorical rantings

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 14:26 utc | 143

ol' thomas has reached his objective in hi-jacking the thread.

Posted by: crone | Jul 6 2014 14:46 utc | 144

Going on with the OT.

Thomas’ pov has some merit as mentioned by some but it is misguided or misapplied to the case of Ukraine. “Class” or an internationalist brand of anarcho-syndicalism is of no succour, be it for analysis or on the ground.

Ukraine is a huge country that after 91 came under the control of oligarchs. Today it is even more oligarchic than in the past, where the democratic, i.e. Republican model - a facade - was better followed. The people of the Donbass have no real political parties, no citizens associations, no strong professional lobbies, no Unions (they exist but are under the thumb of the oligarch who controls whatever mine or industry they work in, see the miners who were made to patrol the streets by their boss…) and no oligarchs or respected technocrats!

They were ruled from afar (Kiev) and by a sort of trickle-down oligarch power structure - a quasi-feudal state of affairs. While Yanukovitch, ‘Party of Regions’ - the only possible choice for them and why he was elected btw - was president all remained in a miserable stasis.

In a quasi-feudal structure ppl can only ally with a master or check out (flee, etc.) Or possibly, fight the oppressor.

This is mirrored very exactly in the Donbass.

A take-over by some of the Gvmt. structures, by occupying tiny territory and expelling functionaries and attempting to control some of people’s movements, a first step easy to accomplish, as there is no initial resistance.

Forward cannot succeed without a highly soldered populace / powerful outside help / very clear political ideas and specific demands that can rally ppl, actually all those must be accompanied with a scheme for running the place.

Was applied a sort of Maidan - cum - military resistance template! Then, a riposte takes place and things rapidly devolve to sh*t, violent chaos. Note, the provocations toward the East were deliberate and outrageous.

Maidan had strong outside support and ostensibly a broad coalition of popular opinion. Anti-government, anti-corruption, anti-decline, anti-oligarch, for ‘positive change’ (??); anti-Yanukovitch and pro some-other-oligarch; pro-EU, the West (young upper twitter middles); Russophobes, hyper-nationalists, neo-nazis, etc. The hard smash for change rested on the implicit agreement that Gvmt. would continue to function. Which is why the Coup Gvmt. was recognised by the outside (EU, Russia, etc.)

But not by the Donbass…which puts it in an impossible position.

Thomas’ posts reflects what cannot be, or was silenced - Unions (as syndicalists), Unionists (in the sense of National Unity and Solidarity in the existing borders), Communists (as perhaps for social justice, worker’s power, regional collectives, idk, more influence from below say), some brand of social democracy? Idk what the aim is. As for his strategy resistance (post 129) it had no chance, unrealistic, but let’s leave the door open.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 6 2014 14:51 utc | 145

thomas

Actually genocide isnt such a bad term for whats going on against these people as you call thugs and robbers.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 6 2014 15:06 utc | 146

only if you remain in your silliness about the term "genocide" - I'll leave you there bcs anything more would be "to cast pearls before the sows" as we say in german

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 15:19 utc | 147

thomas

What are you afraid of? But sure dont throw pearls, better yet dont post here at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 6 2014 15:26 utc | 148

Noirette @145, there is a lot of right analysis in your post. And from that analysis, the only way of resistance would be what happened not once but several times in several places in the first week of the fighting in Donbass in March, as I said in 129:

The Donbass people had all the chances to keep their region autonomous. When the Kiev junta in March made it's first military approach into the region they were stopped by hundreds of unarmed women, children, men on the roads and had to leave. The Donbass inhabitants only had to multiply these strategies by the thousands all over their places and they would have caught 90% of the public in Europe (don't know how much in the US) positively.

So the question remains why could asshole Strelkov take over and trample down that delicate flower?

Posted by: thomas | Jul 6 2014 15:26 utc | 149

One problem with this hypothesis is the lack of German will power to confront its past. Although the several mentioned points are true enough in a superficial sense, a nation that it would seem has at least one NAZI grandparent in nearly every family, is not prepared to come to terms with those influences in the present:

http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/23/sociopaths-democracy/

&

http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/03/25/germanys-martyrs-of-the-maidan/

I'd just quit Germany this past new year, following tying up loose ends on a seven years old investigation. The subject is still raw and the political cowardice of the Germans on the subject is at the top of the chart. The USA is depending on the deeply compromised German intelligence establishment to keep Germany in line. To now, its working.

Posted by: Ronald Thomas West | Jul 6 2014 16:26 utc | 150

Well the argument of slavery being an impetus for the revolution forgets that the British Empire was just as mired in slavery at the time,1776.And the white mans burden computes to slavery anyway,so what was the diff?Marketing of the Empire.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6 2014 17:14 utc | 151

brief > Thomas 149, idk, because they cannot, they have their own lives to struggle with - because anyone who takes up arms squashes others, dominates. Then citizen resistance splinters, shatters (unless massive support not poss in this case) and then that is it.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 6 2014 18:50 utc | 152

When will Germany divorce from Israel?
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/chanting-jerusalem-ethnicity.html

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 6 2014 19:17 utc | 153

Europe as a whole needs to move away from the US and closer to one another. The US is the cause for most of the problem in the world today, and by standing with them, Europe is becoming it's lackey.

Posted by: michael | Jul 6 2014 19:51 utc | 154

wonder what kind of blackmail USG/NSA has on Merkel...

Whatever it is, it is sufficiently strong enough to oust her.

Posted by: Fast Freddy | Jul 6 2014 19:51 utc | 155

@17 France has a docile population and the US doesn't? What parallel universe do you live in, and what kinds of cheese do they have there?

Posted by: Snake Arbusto | Jul 7 2014 12:40 utc | 156

I think it is time for the German government to stop allowing the NSA to spy on the German people. It would be in Germany best interest to withdraw from NATO and ask the United States to close down there military bases in Germany. There is no point in Germany being a victim for the third time like they were in the First and Second World Wars. Two wars that was started by the Allies. Germany could be neutral just lke a number of other countries in Eutope.

Posted by: Fred | Jul 7 2014 17:11 utc | 157

"There is no point in Germany being a victim for the third time like they were in the First and Second World Wars. Two wars that was started by the Allies."

How come that nearly always the most stupid people in the world find their way here to MoA??? bcs they see a fertile ground?

Posted by: thomas | Jul 7 2014 17:21 utc | 158

Chomsky in the asia times 2 days ago:
"Kennedy feared that Russian aid might make Cuba a "showcase" for development, giving the Soviets the upper hand throughout Latin America."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-04-030714.html

That's where the US are failing totally: brutal killings and beatings by their most important ally in the Near East does not help enhancing their reputation.

Posted by: Mina | Jul 7 2014 18:58 utc | 159

ARe they talking about the spy case or as it as we suspected already buried?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 7 2014 19:20 utc | 160

@104 tomgard

further to our conversation here earlier in the thread, this is the latest news release from today that relates right back to our conversation from a few days ago.
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_07/BRICS-currency-reserves-and-new-Development-Bank-drafts-approved-by-Russia-4895/

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2014 19:33 utc | 161

Germany is still occupied, around 50 US military bases are still active on its soil.

It cannot "divorce" an occupying power, it needs to be freed first.

Posted by: mc | Jul 7 2014 20:02 utc | 163

@162 Those silly girls have exposed more than their titties. They've exposed Soros! Strange times.

Posted by: dh | Jul 7 2014 21:14 utc | 164

@ mc: make that over 300 bases and add the UK military as well.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 8 2014 6:36 utc | 165

EurAsia and EastAsia have always been allied and at war with Oceania


The unmasking of a spy who passed on internal documents of the German foreign intelligence service (BND) to the CIA for money has led to unusually sharp attacks by German politicians on the United States.

Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier commented on the affair while on a diplomatic visit to Mongolia. If the allegations were true, “then we’re not talking about small things,” he said. He urged the US government to carry out “the fastest possible clarification” of the matter, warning: “In their own interest, the United States should obey their duty to participate.”

On Monday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel made a similar statement. Significantly, she did this during a joint appearance with Li Keqiang, the prime minister of China, whom the United States has targeted as its main international rival. Speaking in Beijing, she accused US intelligence services of a breach of trust. She spoke of “a very serious event,” which clearly contradicted her understanding of cooperation based on trust.

In reality, the unmasked agent is rather a small fish. He had no leadership function in the BND and his remuneration is regarded as modest in intelligence circles. Besides, the BND and the US secret services work so closely together that one wonders what secrets were left to reveal.

The fierce reaction to the unmasking of a relatively low ranking agent has deeper reasons. It indicates a change in direction of German foreign policy.

Since the current government came to office late last year, Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen, and President Joachim Gauck have intensively promoted a more active role for Germany in world politics and a revival of German militarism.

There is a consensus that a return to a more active imperialist German foreign policy can only take place together with, and not against the United States. However, the objective logic of this policy inevitably leads to conflicts over economic and geopolitical interests.

The debacle of US policy in Iraq has led to ever louder calls for German leadership. In addition, German government and economic circles are perturbed by America’s confrontational course towards China. China is one of the most important markets for German industrial products and investments, and 2,500 German companies have invested around €40 billion in the country.


Posted by: john francis lee | Jul 8 2014 7:42 utc | 166

That BND guy was obviously just a postboy or in the building security. He can be nothing else with his official rank, certainly no agent or such.

Thus the liars screaming foul on TV are just that, dirty liars. We should be diverted from something else (like say the insurance "reform" that got pushed through the parliament yesterday - basically a bailout for insurances at the cost of the insured, premiums being cut etc.)

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 8 2014 10:34 utc | 167

And it happen again!

Another spy caught in Germany!
http://rt.com/news/171528-germany-us-spying-cia/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2014 14:23 utc | 168

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