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July 13, 2014

#Ger #Arg

Hummels Reveals Germany's Half Time Team Talk

German defender Mats Hummels has revealed that the team agreed at half-time that they would stay professional and try not to humiliate Brazil.

That was appropriately done. The German team would be well advised to do the same with Argentine ;-)

Posted by b on July 13, 2014 at 17:56 UTC | Permalink


I went to a birthday party in a nearby village today. Only one supporter of Germany, a Brit, ten for Argentina mostly from Czech Rep, and France. As the only American and knowing nothing about football I kept my mouth shut.

Listening to the conversations, no doubt Argentina is seen as the underdog.

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 13 2014 18:22 utc | 1

I guessed as much when the German team came on the field during second half and slowed down their attack. Plus we did not see them basking in the complete destruction and shame of Brazil. Germany played like Brazil at its most interesting and Brazil played like a pragmatic old version of Germany.

As for the final as long as Argentina keeps it's defense tight and Messi plays his best game then I would bet 2 to 1 for Argentina. Irrespective of the outcome German futball is filling the void that a burning Spain left behind. It will be interesting times ahead, if only the German political and economic elite would ditch their pragmatic game of servitude.

Posted by: Thirsty | Jul 13 2014 18:24 utc | 2

On my way back from a jog this morning I ran into a family: mother, father, son and daughter. The children were wearing Messi jerseys. I said, "I know who you like today." The mother pumped her fist. I think the Messi is very popular. For me, it is Germany. No question. They have not been seriously challenged during the tournament. The Algeria game I didn't see, but I think Germany has been in control throughout.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 13 2014 18:33 utc | 3

That's why Ozil decided not to go for an 8th that day
Hoping it's going to be 2-1 Germany :-)

Posted by: Yul | Jul 13 2014 18:34 utc | 4

I root for Argentine :)
But Germans seems to be a bit stronger in the first session.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 13 2014 19:51 utc | 5

First half done, it was Argentina's half with some nice German plays.

Posted by: Thirsty | Jul 13 2014 20:01 utc | 6

That's exactly what you *don't* except to read from a guy who is denouncing hubris all day long. They've put even the German president to sleep...

Posted by: Mina | Jul 13 2014 20:56 utc | 7

Congrats, b and the Germans for the well-fought game...! ;-)

Posted by: CTuttle | Jul 13 2014 21:39 utc | 8

Wow, that was close.

Germans should celebrate by kicking the Amis out. ;-)

Posted by: Demian | Jul 13 2014 21:43 utc | 9

Herzlichen Gluckwunsch Deutschland !

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Jul 13 2014 22:19 utc | 10

Germany wins 1: 2 thanks to Goetze goal at 113 min! deserevd
You can be sure Brazil was pleased enemies Argentina didnt win! the latter have no compunction aganist humiliating brazil

Posted by: brian | Jul 13 2014 22:31 utc | 11

world cup was watched from ISS

Alexander Gerst ‏@Astro_Alex ·11m
Just like our @DFB_Team_EN I have fantastic support from my crew. Congrats from #ISS to the #WorldChamp. Great game!

Posted by: brian | Jul 13 2014 22:55 utc | 12

I will not be a sore loser, well done Deutschland.
Oh whatever, Go to Hell.

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 13 2014 23:09 utc | 13

Just when you thought it was safe to go in the water. My team Liverpool have just accepted 75 million for Luis "Jaws" Suarez. Best internet jokes and pictures here.

Posted by: harry law | Jul 13 2014 23:44 utc | 15

I believe the real game was in the VIP suite between Merkel and Putin. The 1–0 win puts Merkel in a much stronger position. She can now accept any deal on Ukraine Putin has to offer – like you take Lviv, we get the rests. In fact I do not think anyone in Germany would complain if she had sold all of Ukraine to Russia.


There have been developments on the ground that now make Russian intervention all but inevitable. The real casus belli for any Russian action if this horrible testimony shown on Russia's Channel One news:

Slavyansk Refugee Remembers the Brutal Execution of a Child and His Mother by Ukrainian Nazi Troops

The legal cover for intervention comes from the cross-border shelling that resulted in its first victims today. The only thing that can now stop intervention is Novorossiyan Milita holding its against the whole Ukrainian Army. Based on today's news that may still happen.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 14 2014 0:07 utc | 16

I have no idea if this is reliable, but it looks extremely interesting:

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 14 2014 1:14 utc | 17

I wish South America had won this thing. That said, Netherlands-Germany very probably would've been a more intense final. First half and the goal were great, but there was that 67-minute stretch in between ...

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 14 2014 3:01 utc | 18

@fairleft #18:

Why do you wish South America had won this? Do you have something against Germans?

Also, Pope Francis, who is Argentinian, received the acting Ukie prime minister Yatsenyuk, an act which amounted to an implicit approval of the genocide carried out by fascists. At least the German government says that there must be a cease-fire in the former Ukraine; Pope Francis is doing nothing to stop the slaughter.

A Google News search of "pope francis ukraine" produced this AFP article:

Ukraine crisis poisons Catholic-Orthodox relations

“It is not true that the Greek Catholic Church is responsible for the suffering of the Ukrainian people,” a Catholic prelate in Rome said on condition of anonymity.

“We can’t do anything against lies and bad faith,” he said.

Sound familiar? The Vatican couldn't do anything against the Nazi persecution of Jews, either.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 14 2014 3:51 utc | 19

Vatican were actively helping Nazis, always. It is a catholic invention to begin with. And in some countries like Croatia, catholic and specifically Franciscan priests were the bloodiest butchers in camps, both in WW2 and in the 1990's.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 14 2014 6:29 utc | 20

I'm with fairleft #18 on this. Ned-Ger would have been great. In fact, I even fell asleep for ~30 minutes yesterday ;-).
I think the goal was a really cool one, so I can't rant about germany having won this cup, it's alright.

What's absolutely disgusting is how Merkel and Gauck use this for their own good. Gauck is the most nauseating person ever and I wonder how none of the players try to find a way to avoid being instrumentalised. Seeing the whole team happily cheering around these two criminals makes it hard for me to enjoy any professional football at all. German TV had Gauck give a short speech after the victory and it's been the most disgusting display of cuddling up to what he thinks is the average population I've ever seen. OK, not "ever" but within the last 3 months maybe ;-)

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 14 2014 6:30 utc | 21

That would be camps in WW2 and without camps in the 90's, but also very "effective" - with a little help from the usual friends.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 14 2014 6:32 utc | 22

Back on topic, it was a nice game and the luck was on german side in the end - they earned it. Schweinsteiger got his ass kicked thoroughly till he bled and still made it till the end, that was great.

Posted by: T2015 | Jul 14 2014 6:34 utc | 23

Demian@19 Do you have something against Germans? Us Scousers do [Liverpudlians]they bombed our chippy.

Posted by: harry law | Jul 14 2014 10:13 utc | 24

Hey, Germans! Congratulations on the World Cup victory last night! Your team was awesome.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 14 2014 10:57 utc | 25

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 13, 2014 11:01:37 PM | 18

by that you mean argentina....a state that is seen by brazilians as their enemy in football.Brazilians were keen that since they didnt win, germany must

germans happy brazilians were supporting them

'Thank God that Germany won' - Brazil fan

argentinians believe that as they are more european, they are superior to brazilians

Posted by: brian | Jul 14 2014 12:05 utc | 26

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 14, 2014 2:30:06 AM | 21

this is the sort of pettiness that follows sports and politics, witness the enmity between argentina and brazil, only taken into the political dimension..where it become more dangerous

Posted by: brian | Jul 14 2014 12:07 utc | 27

Schwalbe=Dive and Klinsmann!

Of course, I've got nothing against the Germans. Götze reminds me of German legend der Bomber. Playing for Bayern Munchen, Arjen Robben reminds me the Schwalbe is not by chance a German expression: swan dive of Jürgen Klinsmann (1990) and Herr Beckenbauer in person during the match against Italy in 1970. haha

Posted by: Oui | Jul 14 2014 12:36 utc | 28

FIFA donating the Golden Ball to Lionel Messi was in a single word ridiculous, quite laughable. Did anyone interpret the foul (57') by Manuel Heuer on Gonzalo Higuain as a fair copy of Germany's renowned Toni Schumacher?

Why the 1974 FIFA World Cup was the Best Ever

Posted by: Oui | Jul 14 2014 12:43 utc | 29

Posted by: Demian | Jul 13, 2014 11:51:21 PM | 19

I'm probably wrong, but my simplistic sports mind assumes Germany (and Europe in general) players are 'first world' and Argentina (and S. America) players are often from poverty.

Anyway, congrats and it's sports, who cares?

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 14 2014 13:04 utc | 30

Holy crap,the Vatican had no divisions.Yes, Uncle Joe,you were correct.This bashing of Catholicism is ridiculous,second guess hypocritical BS.And I'm a Protestant,one who rejects divide and conquer.
And where are the Jewish Rabbinical Councils protesting the 70 year holocaust of the Palestinians,huh?Talk about collusion and culpability!Oh,never mind.
And yeah,Deutschland uber alles!

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 14 2014 14:07 utc | 31

James Rodriguez, all the goals, good memories.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 14 2014 15:48 utc | 32

It's over. Get used to it.
Here's the LRB article on Iraq I mentioned a few days ago, (Demian it still has nothing about Ukraine in it, I'm sorry.)

Posted by: bevin | Jul 14 2014 16:49 utc | 33

Is this professional, for athletes to deliberately not give it their all? Remember, this conduct deprived people (presumably not very many, but with very big prospective winnings because of the odds) who bet that Germany would win by a bigger margin of their winnings.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 14 2014 16:52 utc | 34

Here's Harry Browne:

Posted by: bevin | Jul 14 2014 18:16 utc | 35

@dahoit #31:

This bashing of Catholicism is ridiculous,second guess hypocritical BS.And I'm a Protestant

Funny how you use the generic term "Protestant" instead of saying what denomination you belong to. I guess you are ashamed of your faith.

So saying that the Vatican should not receive the head of an illegitimate government, the people who put this government in power having engaged in their usual trick of running their opponents into a building and then setting it afire, slaughtering them, is Catholic bashing?

@fairleft #30:

I am not sure if Argentinians view themselves as Third World. Most of the people there are of European stock, as far as I'm aware.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 14 2014 19:48 utc | 36

Sorry dudes. I can give no fucks for this bullshit.

Posted by: cdk | Jul 14 2014 20:21 utc | 37

ot - @33 bevin, thanks for the article which i thought laid it out fairly well..

Posted by: james | Jul 14 2014 22:22 utc | 38

Posted by: cdk | Jul 14, 2014 4:21:26 PM | 37


Posted by: brian | Jul 14 2014 22:32 utc | 39

One thing that comes to my mind after this Cup is that Holland has a world class team, even though it is a pretty tiny country. From Wikipedia, the population of countries in millions:

Netherlands 17
Germany 81
Britain 64
Argentina 43
Brazil 203

Another interesting matter is that I never even heard of the UK during this cup. Given that the Brits are as obsessed with soccer as other Europeans (being polite for the moment and calling the Brits European, even though they are traitors to Europe, with their fanatical Atlanticism), the Brits must suck at football at the moment.

Posted by: Demian | Jul 14 2014 23:07 utc | 41

The Netherlands has had a great team for many years now-remember Cruyff- they were runners up last time, but they beat the winners Spain, easily this time around.

As to England, their performance was just about what you'd expect from a footballing culture dominated by the Murdoch media. Money poisons everything and Murdoch's money poisons English football from the top down.

As to Atlanticism, you cannot blame the English for being ruled by scum, they always have been, and they aren't the only ones.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 14 2014 23:38 utc | 42

anyone notice Israel launched its Blitzkrieg during a World Cup?!

Posted by: brian | Jul 15 2014 2:48 utc | 43

Hungary, with a current population of not quite 10 million, dominated world soccer in the early 1950's.

Posted by: lysias | Jul 15 2014 14:54 utc | 44

Congrats for the title, Germany.

It's the result of work well done, of changes in germanys
football infrastructure, doctrine and tactics.
The explanation of what happened, from both the German and
the brazilian point of view, can be seen in what the great
Paul Breitner said during an interview he gave to brazilian
jornalists of espnbrasil in 2013. Though the questions are
in portuguse, Breitner replies in english. Go to 20:00, for

Brazils ridiculous debacle - the worst any important national
squad ever suffered - is the opposite of what was done by
the germans. Plagued by terrible managers, outdated doctrine
and training methods and a coach, Scolari, who, though victorious
in the past(won the w.cup in 02) had become obsolete, Brazil
suffered the worst and most pathetic beating of its history.
It could have been worse, had the germans wanted they could
have scored more goals.

B, the German team caused a lot of consternation among the
fans that packed the Mineirão arena!

Some fans became too frustrated and began fighting amongst
themselves! What idiots!

PS: the only match I managed to catch at a stadium was the
one where Germany played Algeria.
As I am of german origin, I was rooting for Germany(unless
it's playing Brasil) and watched in horror as Löw set the team up to lose.
First 30 minutes Germany played TERRIBLE footbal and flirted
with defeat. Luckily Mustafi got injured and Löw was forced
to change the team.

Posted by: Luca K | Jul 15 2014 16:22 utc | 45

"I am not sure if Argentinians view themselves as Third World.
Most of the people there are of European stock, as far as I'm aware."

Many moons ago Argentine used to be a better country, but it was never a fully developed one. Its economy has been in trouble for quite some time now. In regards to Argentina being mostly white(some 70%), this is true, but so what? Russia ain't a developed country and its almost entirely white.
Also, one thing europeans and zamericans don't know, is that
Brasil has a very large white population(49%), more heavily concentrated in the south and parts of the southeast and midwest.
Brazil ain't just samba and mulatas. Though this stereotype has been reinforced by Brazilian officials and media, as in trying to sell the country as an exotic place.

For example, Brazil has the 2nd largest German diaspora after ZUSA. Some 12-17 million have at least partial ancestry.
We have the 2nd biggest OKTOBERFEST in the world, in Blumenau.
Attracts tourists from all over brasil and even from abroad.

Also our music is much more diversified; MPB, rock, country music;
Listen to some of it;
Tania Mara & Paula Fernandes - 'Romaria' (Acústico)


'Tocando em Frente', por Almir Sater


Paula Toller e Kid Abelha - 'Lágrimas e Chuva'

Posted by: Luca K | Jul 15 2014 16:47 utc | 46

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