Gaza: Hamas Rejects Tony Blair's Cease-fire Scam
The war Netanyahoo launched on the people of Gaza has so far killed over 192, 80% of them civilians, wounded 1,400 people, completely destroyed 990 houses, damaged another 1,700 houses, and created billions of damage to the infrastructure in Gaza, including the already fragile water distribution system. For what?
In total Israel air force and missiles hit more than 2,000 "targets" while some 1,000 rockets were fired from Gaza. No Israeli was killed by the unguided rockets Hamas and other organizations launched from the strip.
This morning there was some talk of a cease-fire allegedly after an agreement was negotiatated by the Egyptian dictator Sisi. Israel's security cabinet immediately accepted it.
But this cease-fire agreement was actually written by the war-criminal and Zionist Tony Blair. No Palestinian had even seen it or was involved in its creation. They learned of the "agreement" through the media. It included nothing but a stop of fighting and some vague promise of further talks. For what then did so many people die?
Hamas and other groups rejected this scam and continued their ineffective rocket fire. Hamas, which has also to keep consensus with more radical Palestinian groups in Gaza, had set several conditions for stopping the fighting:
- an end to all Israeli attacks on Gaza
- opening of the border crossings to Israel and Egypt
- release of the Hamas prisoners Israel, without reason, took in the West Bank over the last three weeks
- payment by the Palestinian Authority for the government workers in Gaza.
Rocket launches from Gaza have continued over the day and Israel is now back to bombing whatever is left to bomb in Gaza. It's politicians have set the elusive aim of "dismantling Hamas". But Hamas has support of the people and unless all people are killed it will exist and a longer conflict will only make it stronger.
Posted by b on July 15, 2014 at 12:20 UTC | Permalink
"No Israeli was killed by the unguided rockets Hamas and other organizations launched from the strip."
That was not the purpose of it. The purpose was the analysis and gethering of data about the capabilities of Iron Dome.
Posted by: T2015 | Jul 15 2014 12:51 utc | 2
b with all due respect but Hamas has no more credibility then the Zionist Government that's bombing them, unfortunately the Palestinians have eternally put their fate in leaders who too easily are distracted by inducements or incentives, look at that Meshal, lounging around in Doha Hotels and his calling for resistance from the Gazans,,,take that Abbas and his mob of freeloaders,,policing Palestinians on behalf of Isreli security, collecting checks from the US and constantly advocating non-violent approaches ,,,the Ghandi method will not work with racist Zionists, they shoot to kill,,,Palestinians have always made bad choices and that is one of the reasons they have not made any headway in their goal to retrieve their stolen lands, These Shenanigans played by Israel are a waste of time,,,Hamas is a failed entity like the sell out PA,,,the Palestinians need to revolt, sacrifice it may be, but if that is what it takes they should do it,,,look at Hezboallah,,look at the Syrians (who Hamas recently betrayed) ,,look at the new Novorussians fighting to keep what is rightfully theirs,,What do the Palestinians want for the US or that toothless UN to save them??? The Israelis have it too easy and they know it. If they don't wake up in 20 years they will not have 22% of the remaining land but 2%......
Posted by: tantin | Jul 15 2014 13:10 utc | 3
The only solution to this issue is for a humanitarian total evacuation of Palestinian women and children from Israel and allow the Palestinian militants, i.e. Hamas, and the IDF to duke it out on the empty, evacuated streets. Hamas is a scourge to innocent Palestinians. Everyone should partake in the evacuation and relocation including America. If Dubai can build air-conditioned cities, surely it can make room for the assimilation of Palestinian refugees who share their culture and religion. Where is the international resolve? Do the Arabs not care about the Palestinians, or is the plight of the Palestinians convenient for them?
Coming To America — The Melting Pot
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 15 2014 13:13 utc | 4
the Islamic Republic will help the Palestinian nation with “all might”
Yeah, right. Iran doesn't give a flip about the welfare of the Palestinians. If it did, if any Arab country did, we'd have nothing to discuss at this juncture. There would be no problem — no dispute. Perhaps it's time to realize that Arabs love and live for dispute. It's all they know, and if they don't have it (dispute) they'll conjure it by all manner of connivance.
By the way, what does al-Baghdadi say about the latest kerfuffle in Palestine? Where is ISIS when you need it? Surely they can lend a few Toyota pick-up trucks and some sarin gas to The Cause.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 15 2014 13:21 utc | 5
Posted by: tantin | Jul 15, 2014 9:10:06 AM | 3
What a sickening and revolting suggestion. You are inviting a bloodbath. Your criticism of Palestinian leadership is spot on, but the rest will put innocent civilians further in harm's way.
Palestinians will not recover their stolen land, and if they were to follow your advice, more than a few will die.
My suggestion in the first post is the only way out of this for innocent Palestinians. The Arab countries have proven they don't care about the Palestinians and there is nothing any of those countries can or will do to Israel to level the playing field. It's time the Palestinians realize this and it's time the world accept it and evacuate innocent Palestinian women and children as refugees so they can permanently be taken out of harm's way. They've been used and abused for far too long. Gaza is a ghetto. No one should want to live there.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 15 2014 13:29 utc | 6
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 15, 2014 9:13:12 AM | 4
'Duke it out'?
Are you really this stupid and cold-blooded Cold N. Arseholefield? The mind boggles!
Posted by: William Bowles | Jul 15 2014 13:36 utc | 7
I think this is the first time in history that anyone has tried to negotiate a peace deal between 2 warring parties, while just inviting one side to take part.
Tony Blair basically just negotiated with the Israeli side and suprise suprise both the Zionist war criminal Blair and the Zionist war criminl NetanYahoo were in complete agreement on what the peace deal should look like. The Chutzpah of then expecting Palestine to agree to this is astounding.
Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Jul 15 2014 13:51 utc | 8
as someone mentioned earlier, the result that the US is looking for is the installation of Dahlan as gauleiter of Gaza. Dahlan, who attempted a coup a few years ago, is a combination of Quisling and Uncle Tom. And the US loves him, as, no doubt does Sisi.
This could only happen by so terrifying Gazans that they will accept any fate, provided only that the bombing stops.
If Dahlan does come to power there will be no need for bombs from afar, he will employ death squads to hunt and liquidate every last dissenting voice in the community- he's Washington's kind of guy.
But this is unlikely to happen, even the long dead are sick of hearing the "Israel has a right to defend itself" mantra. The bombing cannot continue. And Israel is not ready for the only alternative which is to mount a ground invasion, which would lead to casualties among its precious youth (everyone of whose lives is worth that of ten thousand Palestinians).
Israel has already achieved its objects: it has killed hundreds and further wrecked the desolate strip. It has tightened the grip it has on those "leaders" who haven't got the guts to protest against child killing, implicating them, personally, in the commission of a bloodbath which would disgrace an abattoir.
In a wider sense, though, Israel has lost. Those innocents did not perish in vain, their names will live in the future, for their deaths, the manner in which they were accomplished and the international legion of scoundrels and cowards who share responsibility for these crimes, have ensured that the State of Israel's days are numbered. Such an entity cannot persist: it is an offence in the eyes of, what our ancestors called God, or right reason. Humanity cannot live with such pure evil.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2014 13:52 utc | 9
Thanks for the article b. Great analysis as usual.
Those sound like reasonable, very reasonable, terms Hamas is asking.
What happened to Israel’s threat of a ground invasion?
Here’s Richard Silverstein with an explanation: “… I reported yesterday on a failed Israeli commando raid on a northern Gaza beach where the IDF claims long-range rockets were launched. Hamas claims that it knew about the raid in advance and ambushed Israeli forces. My Israeli source, as I reported last night confirms there was an ambush and that the Shayetet 13 soldiers were repulsed (see above FoxNews report in the midst of the fighting). The fact that the IDF called in helicopter gunships and F-16s to repel the Palestinian attackers indicates the Israeli force was in trouble and needed assistance extricating itself from the field.
… Whatever the original mission, the commandos had their asses handed to them. Now, the IDF is saving face by denying what really happened.”
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/
So, it’s okay for Israel to attack Gaza from the air ~ but forget Israel risking the life of one single IDF soldier by attempting a ground invasion. Israel has made its point, for the time being, so time to agree to a ceasefire. (Of course, any time in the future that Israel decides to resume bombing it will do so.)
Hamas says NO ~ Israel needs to pay ~ and frankly, they are asking for very little, all things considered. ymmv
Posted by: crone | Jul 15 2014 13:56 utc | 10
@ CNH: so you would evacuate 4+ Mio. people just so a few thousands of british-aided/controlled terrorists can "duke it out" with the freemason Nitwityahoo and his gang? Very clever for sure... lets both innocent Palestinians and innocent Israeli civilians suffer in the end, while the killers will stay out of harm's way. Bravo, Mr. genius strategist.
Why not evacuate Hamas and the masonic gang instead? Would be way less work. And I'm sure their next level handlers in Dubai and Doha will have more than enough room for their pet terrorists, including air-condition. although maybe they would prefer to join the Muslim Brotherhood "culture club" in UK? they have it quite cosy there, right at the source sucking at the old hag's ugly imperial tit.
Posted by: T2015 | Jul 15 2014 14:00 utc | 11
As a Canadian , I get really worked up when stephen harper the Bozo act as if he is the prime minister of Israel !
I am sure he will sell his soul to keep the Israelis happy .
Shameless Piece of sh#$
Posted by: Nini | Jul 15 2014 14:07 utc | 12
And ground assault still to come no? So, keeping score, right now we overtly, covertly and/or tacitly support ethnic cleansing/ collective punishment war crimes via Zios in Israel, Jihadis in Iraq/Syria, and Nazis in Ukraine, with our tax dollars financing this whole trifecta of death to a large degree, helped along by US Mercs, CIA spooks and Pentagon military advisers. Business as usual in other words- just a little more busy THAN usual. Of course, all of this lies at the feet of Maliki, Putin, Assad, Hamas... no blame here. Not a bit.
Posted by: Colinjames | Jul 15 2014 14:07 utc | 13
The minute I saw that cease fire,I realized it was an Egyptian junta rehab project,and shows the collusion between the monsters and US and Egypt.Go Hamas!Fight the power!
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 15 2014 14:12 utc | 14
@ 1 Katy Perry
Thanks for the link... glad to see Iran step up to defend Palestinians.
Posted by: crone | Jul 15 2014 14:14 utc | 15
Not a chance of a ground attack. This fake first 'cease fire offer' (very similar to first offers in previous instances of the colonialists criminal rampages) is a clear prove that the colonialists in Palestine have no real objective to achieve other than pointless killing of people that can even defend themselves. They already run of 'objectives' to bomb and they didn't kill anyone they can even start to brag about. They can't even say that they stopped the rocket launch for an hour. They fear for their pity lives and they can only lose on a ground attack because of the fear that even the puny armed prisoners in the Gaza ghetto could humiliate their 'once invincible' military/terrorist force.
Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 15 2014 14:24 utc | 16
But this cease-fire agreement was actually written by the war-criminal and Zionist Tony Blair.
That's your source? It could be true, I think it even likely, but one tweet isn't much in the way of evidence. Who is that person? Are they just another twittering twit or do they have solid expertise? How reliable are their sources? How veracious are they?
One tweet? Not buying any story from anybody about anything on the basis of one tweet.
Posted by: overrun by anonymice | Jul 15 2014 14:27 utc | 17
The political and military branches of Hamas have 'slightly' different objectives and loyalties. I wouldn't put out of possibility that the next change in Gaza comes from the military branch finally kicking out the political sellouts to the fake-wahabis gulf sheiks.
Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 15 2014 14:28 utc | 18
Any chance that Israel's actions since June 29th or so, is to further entice Iran into a more direct involvement with Gaza? The end game is to give Israel cover for an overt attack on Iran? For Israel it is a win-win proposition. Israel still gets a little more settlement land, regardless. If Iran is proven to have direct control on the attacks on Israel, then Israel gets the green light to bomb Iran.
Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Jul 15 2014 14:32 utc | 19
JaimeInTexas, what are you smoking? Can I have some?
Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 15 2014 14:40 utc | 20
Great analysis b
Shameful that whole west support the massacre, also today Erdogan called netanyahu a hitler.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 15 2014 15:01 utc | 21
Smoking nothing. Manipulating events for a desired result is not an exact science but I do not think it stops certain groups/governments from engaging in ways that normal folks cannot even imagine.
Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Jul 15 2014 15:01 utc | 22
Israel has become a true Superpower in the ME, their Air Terror campaign only increases resistance and their ground forces have been repulsed and will be bloodied if they return. Just like the US they are helping to create and temper the sword of their destruction.
In the near future the Islamic State will be supplying not only logistics but leadership to further their shared goal of liberating all of Palestine.
I wonder how people who support the Palestinians as victims will react when they become the protagonists and begin to push the Israelis into the sea.
Posted by: Wayoutwest | Jul 15 2014 15:02 utc | 23
To be clear, Hamas has its roots in the Muslim Brotherhood and was implicated in the mass prison escape in Egypt in January 2011 which released Morsi. Egypt under Morsi with Erdogan in Turkey, Hillary Clinton of the U.S. and the emir of Qatar formed an alliance. The MB is an opposition group in Jordan to overthrow the king, outlawed in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Ms Clinton did a futile attempt to create a Syrian opposition group in endless summits with all outside powers to join the jihad against the Assad regime in Syria. The power struggle between Qatar and Saudi King Abdullah was won by the latter. The emir abdicated in favor of his son. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are funding 'ISIS' [aka: IS] in Iraq. A chapter of PNAC under Clinton, Bush and Obama for regime change in the Middle East. An abject failure which led to the destruction of Syria, 150k deaths and millions of refugees/displaced persons. In Libya great upheaval, war between the tribes and a new opportunity for a CIA coordinated grab of power.
In short, the U.S. with Obama and Secretary Kerry has no clout with any of the leaders involved in the Gaza crisis. We won't see a ceasefire brokered by Egypt's Sisi with the Hamas leadership and Secr. Kerry standing with Israel's Netanyahu.
Roger Cohen, an ever-ready mouthpiece for U.S. hegemony, actually has a decent NYT OpEd today, "Israel’s Bloody Status Quo." Minus the usual perversity of framing the conflict in terms of moral equivalency, Cohen makes the worthwhile point that Israel cannot maintain the status quo, that things are beginning to shift.
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 15 2014 16:00 utc | 25
I wonder how people who support the Palestinians as victims will react when they become the protagonists and begin to push the Israelis into the sea.
After the end of the colonial era in the 20th century the future of colonialist is either to integrate into the people they invaded (South Africa) in equal terms or return to their countries of origin (Algeria, Zimbabwe). If the European colonialists really think that they can only live by oppressing the Palestinian people I'm more than happy with them being 'driven to the sea'. That is their choice.
Israel is just the name of a nightmare of the past from which the western empire has not woken up yet.
Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 15 2014 16:03 utc | 26
Yes israel will eventually get its hatred back and then they will probably use nuclear weapons against the palestinians and then against the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 15 2014 16:22 utc | 27
thanks b... b quote "For what then did so many people die?" this is an eternal question plaguing the planet.. the same question could be asked on the jewish people's 20th century experience too...what is the purpose of war? i think it is about a desire to assert power and control over others, with no regard to the human face in any of it.. if you strip away the ways people have of identifying with a particular race, religion or culture, what are you left with? "people just like us trying to get on" is what you are left with.. empathy is essential to our survival and it's missing in all of this. we have plenty of tools to exercise power and control over others, but little to no empathy to show our humanity toward others.
Posted by: james | Jul 15 2014 16:23 utc | 28
There really is no end to any of this until everyone on the planet has a visceral hatred for all things American and Israeli so much that they are no longer fooled by the "but but but there are good Americans and Israelis" canards and rationalizations for inaction/mitigation.
To further along a recognition of that hatred and - hopefully - future rejection one must understand this:
Zionist America's main export to the world is the phenomenon of an individual's loss of self-respect and dignity.
The propagandistic message is constantly promulgated and preached until it has become embedded into the minds of the nearly all of the American retards that reside in this hell-hole of criminality: everyone has their price and to think otherwise is laughable/unimaginable.
Yes, unmitigated capitalism is a necessary piece of the puzzle but one must add to it the American mix of celebrity and social/cultural capital accrued to really understand what Zionist America is all about.
Thus, there is a tacit acceptance on the part of American retards when they see their leader-whores selling off their country to the apartheid genocidal Israelis and sundry other lower-than human subspecies of filth: they understand that - oh well - those leader-whores are just doing what ANY ONE OF US would do in the same position, i.e., have absolutely no sense of personal dignity/respect and - as a consequence - and thus an inherent INABILITY to empathize with other human beings who are on the receiving end of the war crimes these people daily commit.
If people can't/no longer know HOW to respect themselves - and members of American and Israeli societies do not any longer - then there is no sense in looking for compassion/rationality/kindness of any other traits that are characteristics of human beings and not sociopathic monsters.
Oh, I can't wait to here the fake left rejoinders/fairy tales about all of the MILLIONS of compassionate and kind Americans and the MILLIONS of non-Zionist Jews who are "fighting the good fight" but those are myths that are propagated solely to keep the rest of the world from so rightfully and deservedly hating both groups. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!!! Fuck off.
The despicably criminality of the United States and Israeli will not stop until the rest of the world reflexively spits and vomits when those countries are named.
As an American I look forward to the days when the rest of the planet fucking sees through every last one of our canards and deceptions and despises us because that will mean we are that much closer to ending this incessant murderous madness of which we have been responsible for decade upon decade.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 15 2014 16:56 utc | 29
Fitting quote then got to run:
“America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves.... It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters.”
Vonnegut
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 15 2014 17:17 utc | 30
@ 29, 30
This American says "Hear!Hear!"
My sentiments exactly...
Posted by: crone | Jul 15 2014 17:26 utc | 31
@overrun by anonymice That's your source? It could be true, I think it even likely, but one tweet isn't much in the way of evidence. Who is that person? Are they just another twittering twit or do they have solid expertise? How reliable are their sources? How veracious are they?
One tweet? Not buying any story from anybody about anything on the basis of one tweet.
One click on the name of that twitter person would have told you that she is a (somewhat pro-Israeli) reporter for Russia Today in Tel Aviv. Not impartial but pretty reliable in her information.
There were also several stories over the weekend of Tony Blair's visit in Egypt where the scam was hatched: Egypt Leader Meets Blair in Effort to End Conflict WSJ
@Cold N. Holefield
I would take you more serious, and not just as the residential clown, if you could distinguish the Persian people from the Arabs.
The issue of a ceasefire needs to be put in context:
Historically, Israel has used the lull surrounding movement to a ceasefire as prime time for targeted assassinations. Remember the bombing of the house of Sheik Salah Shehadeh 30 minutes before the ceasefire was to take effect. Then, Ahmed Jabari, who was killed while carrying the signed agreements which not only negotiated a cease fire, but also a communication mechanism to prevent further escalation, notably that if Israel intelligence knew of potential rocket launches, they would communicate through Egypt to Hamas and Hamas would squelch them.
Also, remember Lebanon, wherein the last three days prior to the cease fire taking effect, Israel dropped 90% of the 1 million cluster bombs on South Lebanon. People, including children, are still being killed by these bombs because Israel would not give the UN information as to exactly where they were dropped. People who live these betrayals are slow to forget. In Ma an news, it is reported that none of the many actors in the ceasefire talked to Hamas about it, which is unfortunate since Hamas has put out reasonable demands. Also, one should remember although it’s little reported to the press – that Abbas has a request before the UN for a protectorate, as well as requesting that Geneva sanction Israel. In this context, there is much to negotiate, little trust and with Israel a proven track record of bad faith bargaining.
Finally, despite Netanyahu’s most fervent hopes, the unity government is still standing.
Posted by: crone | Jul 15 2014 17:59 utc | 33
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Posted by: Tom Murphy | Jul 15 2014 18:11 utc | 34
Also, could we all dispense with using this "80% of the murdered Palestinians were civilians" fucking NONSENSE!!
80%!!!!80FUCKINGPERCENT?!!!!
Tell us, what the fuck were the OTHER 20%, huh? There is no military in Gaza so THEY ARE ALL FUCKING CIVILIANS!!!
100 FUCKING PERCENT CIVILIAN FUCKING MURDERS. PERIOD.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 15 2014 18:31 utc | 35
I remember once when Rush Limbaugh made the same mistake of confusing Persians with Arabs. Then, when he came back on air after a commercial break, he had to admit his mistake. Somehow I doubt if our resident troll will even have as much intellectual honesty as Limbaugh.
Posted by: lysias | Jul 15 2014 18:31 utc | 36
Who are the regional mediators left? Are Qatar and Turkey using the Gaza crisis to corner and humiliate Egypt and Saudi Arabia so they stop the crackdown on the Moslem Brotherhood?
-Egypt, a previous mediator, now hates Hamas as well as its supporters, Qatar and Turkey who are trying to reverse the situation in Egypt in favor of the Moslem Brotherhood
-Turkey, a previous mediator with Israel keeps insulting it as well as Egypt to get more Islamic votes for his election and more business from what is left of its Arab customers
- Qatar, a previous mediator with Egypt, is now the main financier of ISIS, the new found military arm of the Moslem Brotherhood. It has therefore lost all its contact in Egypt and his friendship with Iran is suspicious to Israel
On the other hand Hamas has nothing to loose except human lives and destruction. Qatar has probably informed Hamas that it will be compensated for everything once Egypt would have bowed to free the Moslem Brotherhood jailed in Egypt as well as the Al Jazira journalists.
Israel is in a bind. If it does not finish off Hamas in Gaza this time, Netanyahu will be kicked out of power like his predecessor Olmert (now in jail?). No wonder Israel has jumped immediately on the Egypt proposal. Egypt is well aware that Hamas will treat this agreement as a toilet paper. That's why they did not even bother send it officially. Hamas is now in a position of strength and is waiting for instruction from Turkey and Qatar.
The FM of Qatar is in a visit to Turkey to work out the Hamas/ Moslem Brotherhood strategy in Gaza and Egypt.
As for Syria and Iraq, Qatar is financing ISIS to eradicate the fighters paid by Saudi Arabia and take the military leadership in Iraq and Syria using the ISIS forces
Turkey is also asking Qatar to intercede with ISIS to release the 49 Turkish hostages just before his election. He badly needs a boost if he wants to be elected at the first round which is increasingly doubtful.
Qatar and Turkey are now the main conspirators and they are hated by all the Arabs...
Posted by: v | Jul 15 2014 18:44 utc | 37
b
There is a funny ( sorry I should say sad) tweet goin one about who is an Arab or not in the Levant :
https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/489098594478489600
Posted by: Yul | Jul 15 2014 19:01 utc | 38
re 8
I think this is the first time in history that anyone has tried to negotiate a peace deal between 2 warring parties, while just inviting one side to take part.It's quite common these days, when you declare that you don't have a partner for peace.
Posted by: Alexno | Jul 15 2014 19:09 utc | 39
@thePaper(26) wrote:
"If the European colonialists really think that they can only live by oppressing the Palestinian people I'm more than happy with them being 'driven to the sea'."
Let's call them what they are, shall we? They ain't 'european colonialists'. They are Jews.
Over half of the israelis aren't even 'european' jews but sephardic and oriental jews(Mizrahim). Ashkenazim constitute an intermediary group which clusters between europeans and midle easterners.
Before the zionist project, there were very few jews in palestine. On the eve of the 1948 war, after decades of the zionists transferring jews into palestine and trying to buy land, the jews were still a small minority and owned very little of the land. The creation of Israel in Palestine was a major crime against humanity and a huge tragedy to the palestinians, who, unlike the jews, are the indigenous people of the land. Even modern genetics show the palestinians to be an indigenous levantine people.
Posted by: Luca K | Jul 15 2014 19:14 utc | 40
Curious event this morning (European time).
All week since the beginning of the attack on Gaza, comments have been closed on events. I'm talking about the Guardian, but I'm told it was the same elsewhere. All of a sudden this morning comments were opened, and there was a mass of hasbarists declaring that Israel ha
Posted by: Alexno | Jul 15 2014 19:22 utc | 41
T2015 msg# 2
"'No Israeli was killed by the unguided rockets Hamas and other organizations launched from the strip.' That was not the purpose .. the purpose was the analysis and gethering of data about the capabilities of Iron Dome."
What you say makes sense of a sort. The Israelis send precision guided missiles to random destinations defined only by the population density. The care only about creating terror, and with exerting the greatest cruelty per Palestinian man, woman or child killed.
The Palestininian missiles OTOH are wildly inaccurate. But if they know the vulnerabilities of Iron Dome, they can create massed missile attacks against high density zones like Tel Aviv or Haifa, to counter or confound the Israeli missile strategy.
On the human level, however, this is just like watching a 97-pound weakling defend against a 300 pound bully - he gets the shit kicked out of him, but he just won't say "enough!", no matter how bad he is hurt. You wonder why Americans, with their supposed love of the underdog, don't see this.
Posted by: rackstraw | Jul 15 2014 19:23 utc | 42
if you could distinguish the Persian people from the Arabs.
I would take Iran seriously, and not as Middle Eastern clowns, if it would do the same. Meaning, if they're Persians, then quit acting like Arabs. Unfortunately, the fundamentalist nutjobs, in the form of the ruling Mullahs, have done a handy job of neutralizing the Persian in favor of the Muslim — and no, the two are not the same. Persia existed long before the advent of Islam, and in fact, Islam usurped and squandered much of the Persian culture. True Persians, or the remnant descendants, are Zoroastrian, not Muslim.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 15 2014 19:38 utc | 43
Curious event this morning (European time).
All week since the beginning of the attack on Gaza, comments have been closed on events. I'm talking about the Guardian, but I'm told it was the same elsewhere. All of a sudden this morning comments were opened, and there was a mass of hasbarists declaring that Israel had accepted the ceasefire and Hamas not.
It was very suspicious, until the news made the situation more clear.
It was an organised claque. Tony Blair had made a deal with Israel and Egypt, evidently not bothering with Hamas.
You might think that newspaper comments have no value, but that's not the case. Government propagandists think newspaper comments are important. That's why the blast this morning.
Posted by: Alexno | Jul 15 2014 19:39 utc | 44
@41 I was thinking something similar. It's as if the David and Goliath story has lost all meaning.
Posted by: dh | Jul 15 2014 19:43 utc | 45
I would take Iran seriously, and not as Middle Eastern clowns, if it would do the same.We all know you as the local troll, but don't you have something more sensible to say?
Posted by: Alexno | Jul 15 2014 19:48 utc | 46
re 39
Let's call them what they are, shall we? They ain't 'european colonialists'. They are Jews.The Ashkenazim run the show, making it a colony, but the Mizrahim are more extreme, having lost their homeland, owing to Israel's demand that they migrate to Israel. They would have been happier remaining in Iraq.
Over half of the israelis aren't even 'european' jews but sephardic and oriental jews(Mizrahim). Ashkenazim constitute an intermediary group which clusters between europeans and midle easterners.
Posted by: Alexno | Jul 15 2014 20:11 utc | 47
Yes, disgusting manipulations of the media etc are EXACTLY why every person on the planet's hatred of the US and Israel has to be bone-deep so that every new propagandistic permutation loses its effect.
Once people become immune to these constant attempts at manipulation - e.g., closing/opening comments sections etc -, then they see ever more clearly that NOTHING - i.e., not the latest "acceptance" of a "peace deal", the latest "ceasefire", the latest "humanitarian intervention" etc - matters as they do NOTHING to change the reality-based roles of the US and Israel as the murderous scum nations that they are.
It's amazing how effective the dissemination of "feel-good" horseshit goes - especially among the tech-addicted bourgeois fake left - in ameliorating the crimes of the mass-murdering US and Israel.
Oh, Twitter says that the apartheid genocidal Israelis accepted a deal but Hamas didn't. Gee, why can't Hamas just play along? Bummer.
Oh, Fuckbook tells me that Tony Blair was the one who crafted the deal. Gee, I guess I should re-evaluate how I feel about unrepentant war-criminals, right?
There is not a fucking thing that could be tweeted, blogged, printed or aired that should be able change a truly rational person's perceptions of the US and Israel as murderous war criminal nations at this point in history.
Not a fucking thing.
Since that is the case, then all "news" and associated commentary are guaranteed to be merely whitewash/hasbara in one form or another.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 15 2014 20:26 utc | 48
One thing I see here is the refusal to talk about Jewish power, influence, ethnic networking, identity politics,etc. How is one to understand anything about what has been happening to the palestinians, the middle east and beyond, without confronting these realities? Impossible. In this connection, former israeli(and askhenazi jew) Gilad Atzmon, who is a musician and author has written openly. In a recent interview he touches on many topics pc people just wont go near. Take a look;
Alimuddin Usmani: After "Cast lead" in 2009 and "Pillar of defense" in 2012, the Israeli army has launched operation "Protective edge" in July, 2014 against Gaza. What is the purpose of these repeated large scale military operations?
Gilad Atzmon: It is important to note that Israel hasn't won a single military battle since 1973. True, it has killed many Arabs, but it hasn't managed to achieve any of its military objectives.
Israel’s military domination has been sustained by the power of deterrence. The strategy was to force Arabs to avoid conflict by threatening that they could lose everything. This week has shown that this trick won't work anymore. Palestinian resistance has sprung back to life. Israel can not solve its problems by military means. The situation is desperate for the Israelis. They have started to realize that they are stuck within a political, ideological and cultural stalemate. Israel is unable to conjure an image of a resolution. There is no prospect of future for the Jewish State.
Furthermore, the Jewish left's blatant lie that the ‘occupation is the problem’ has been exposed this week as we witness Israeli Arab citizens chased by Jewish mobs. As we know, the right-wing call for mass expulsion of all Arabs from Israeli territory is becoming increasingly popular within Israel. This brutal ‘solution’ is totally consistent with Jewish supremacist culture and ideology. After all, Jews, and I mean both Zionists and anti, like to operate within a Jews only environment. But can Israel rid itself of the Palestinians. This is exactly what the Right wing parties within the coalition promise to do.
Back to your question; since the military cannot provide the answers and the politicians cannot produce an image of a solution, the military is used as a firemen's brigade. It supplies short lived victories. The IDF is buying time, it cannot deliver a victory because military objectives cannot even be articulated. The IDF pounds Gaza with missiles, it kills whatever it suspects might be dangerous (a lot of kids, elders and women). But as time goes by, the military options are shrinking and to a certain extent, are not viable any more.
The German military theorist, Carl von Clausewitz suggested in the 19th century that “war is the continuation of politics by other means.” In the case of Israel what we see instead is the reverse of Clausewitz’ idea: Israeli politics is the continuation of the Jewish need for a conflict.
Alimuddin Usmani: Haaretz’ writer Gideon Levy wrote that Israel doesn't want peace and that "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone." What is your opinion on this?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-peace-conference/1.601112
Gilad Atzmon: I am delighted to see that more and more people including my bitterest opponents now agree with me that there is something deeply troubling in Jewish culture and ID politics. Haaretz wrote an editorial a few days ago stating that “Israel must undergo a cultural revolution” (http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.603451). My bitterest Palestinian opponent, Ali Abunimah, who just recently denounced me for focusing on Jewish culture, seems to have adopted my philosophy. He now points to the morbid racism inherent in Jewish culture and politics.
And now, after praising myself and my ‘prophetic qualities,’ let me address the question. In Hebrew, the word 'Shalom' doesn’t mean peace, harmony or reconciliation. It means ‘security for the Jews.’ In other words, Israel does not have a proper word for peace or reconciliation. Hence it is not surprising that Israel is not a partner in peace. It can’t even contemplate the concept.
As we are becoming aware of the post political conditions in which we live, philosophy and essentialist thinking are vital analytic tools to make sense of the human landscape around us. And now, please ask yourself who have been the bitterest enemies of essentialist and philosophical thinking within academia and politics? It is, obviously, the Jewish left who strives so hard to prevent us from thinking about Jewishness in categorical terms.
Alimuddin Usmani: In an article posted in the Nation on the 2nd of July, Noam Chomsky advised Palestinians to "avoid illusion and myth, and think carefully about the tactics they choose and the course they follow."
What is the strategy that Chomsky advocates?
http://www.thenation.com/article/180492/israel-palestine-and-bds?page=0,0
http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/noam_chomsky.jpgGilad Atzmon: In my recent talks I have been making a distinction between the ‘Intellectual’ and the ‘Commissar.' The Intellectual is an inspiration who encourages others to think independently and authentically. The commissar, on the other hand, provides others with the appropriate answers. Instead of guiding one ‘how to think’, the Commissar would tell you ‘what to think.’ The commissar’s ‘pedagogical’ mode is an adequate description of the Left discourse and the so-called Jewish intelligencia. It is there to prescribe the boundaries of correctness within the context of a phantasmic ritual of imaginary dissent. Noam Chomsky is the current emblem of such an awkward anti-intellectual form of thinking.
In addition to being uniquely tedious, which is in itself a crime against humanity, Chomsky tends to selectively cherry pick the facts that fit his favorite narrative, theory or argument while consciously and consciously eliminating the most relevant facts. That Chomsky has gotten away with such tactics for so long, is nothing short of shameful yet symptomatic to the ‘correct’ discourse he is advocating.
In his famous 1843 paper, "On the Jewish Question," Karl Marx suggested that for the world to be emancipated it must be emancipated from the Jews or Judaism. Adopting a similar line, I believe strongly that for the West and dissent to be liberated, it must be emancipated from the Commissar culture, the tyranny of ‘correctness.' We have to reinstate our ability to ‘say what we think’ instead of ‘thinking before we say.'
I don’t want the Chomskys of this world to tell the Palestinians or anyone else to ‘think carefully.' And I hope that Chomsky himself learns not to think ‘carefully’ but instead adopts ethical thinking over his Talmudic legalist approach. We, the rest of humanity, must learn to bring to nurture the spirit of true resistance, including a willingness to sacrifice. This is exactly what the Jewish Left has managed to suppress and for so long. Instead of creating actual change we have indulged ourselves in a discourse of an imaginary activism subject to the corrosive effects of its funders, Wall Street and people like George Soros and his Open Society Institute.
Alimuddin Usmani: Dominique Vidal, a French journalist wrote an article in 2012 which had a strange title : "Protocols of Gilad Atzmon." Probably a reference to "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Most of the article is made up of quotes from your book "The Wandering Who?" Dominique Vidal acknowledges that he refuses to debate your ideas. Is it because he is simply unable to adress them?
http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/dominique-vidal/110412/les-protocoles-de-gilad-atzmon
Gilad Atzmon: This must be the case. I have yet to meet a single Jewish ‘leftist’ who is brave enough to confront me on stage or face to face. As far as I can remember, Professor Norton Mezvinsky was the only Jewish intellectual who appeared with me on stage. And, at least for me, it was an enlightening experience.
I was surprised to find out that Professor Marc Elis, whom many within the Jewish Left regard as one of the leading Jewish theologians, pretty much dedicated the last chapter of his most recent book to my work concluding that I am a contemporary Jewish Biblical prophet. Of course, I am not a prophet, Jewish or otherwise, I simply speak my mind on Israel and Jewish matters, something that Jewish Diaspora seem to be unfamiliar with. It is that fact alone, the idea that I am dismissal of ‘correctness’ that makes me very dangerous for Jewish Left.
Though Marc Ellis' approach may suggest a change of heart and self reflection within the Jewish progressive miniature and insignificant universe, Dominique Vidal is symptomatic of all that is rotten within the Jewish left; the racial exclusivism, the unwillingness to debate and exchange, zero self-reflection and a total and unique absence of intellectual integrity.
Alimuddin Usmani: Criticism of the Talmud is widespread, especially on the internet. The Anti-Defamation League issued a report in 2003 explaining that critics of the Talmud use erroneous translations or erroneous quotations in order to distort it's meaning. What is your response to the ADL?
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/the_talmud.pdf
Gilad Atzmon: The ADL argument is just a projection of common Jewish tactics- it is Jews and Israelis who mistranslate and quote out of context a la Dominique Vidal in order to divert attention from the problems inherent in Jewish culture, the Jewish State and the Talmud. The ADL article exemplifies this method. Instead of addressing the argument it simply shows that the Talmud also includes some ethical preaching.
However, I must add that I do not see the Talmud as the core problem. My study of Jewish history reveals that it isn’t the rabbinical Jews and the followers of the Talmud who have engaged in genocidal crimes. It was actually the Bolshevik Jews who were ‘Stalin's Willing Executioners’ as Yuri Selzkin describes them in his phenomenal book, 'The Jewish Century.' It was the revolutionary Jews who burned and murdered Christians in the name of the 'world proletariat’ while fighting within the Yiddish speaking ‘International Brigade’ (Spain 1936). It was the Left Zionists who expelled the Palestinians in 1948 in what is now known as the Nakba. I think that we have enough evidence to suggest that from a Jewish perspectives the previous century was a ‘Century of Nakbas.' Those ‘progressive’ Jews didn’t follow the Talmud, on the contrary, they believed themselves to be anti-religious, atheist and ‘working class.' Someone mentioned to me recently that for some reason these Jewish atheist revolutionaries always burn churches, they never burn synagogues. Is this a coincidence?
Alimuddin Usmani: Several years ago I met Juliano Mer-Khamis, the Israeli-Palestinian filmmaker, actor and political activist who was murdered in Jenin in 2011. He gave me the impression of a profoundly humane person. How do you assess his work, in particular, the freedom theatre he established.
Gilad Atzmon: He was a hero. Juliano Mer- Khamis always spoke his mind and he paid the ultimate price for it. I will cherish his memory for the rest of my life.
Author of
The Wandering Who? A Study Of Jewish culture, Identity politics and Jewish Power in particular - available on Amazon.com & Amazon.co.uk
Posted by: Luca K | Jul 15 2014 20:29 utc | 49
No harm in recommending this again
http://goingtotehran.com/
Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2014 20:30 utc | 50
JSorrentine
I agree, whehn did you become so made though? Checking comments from 2013 you seems to be another person :)
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 15 2014 20:30 utc | 51
JSorrentine:
"Oh, I can't wait to here the fake left rejoinders/fairy tales about all of the MILLIONS of compassionate and kind Americans and the MILLIONS of non-Zionist Jews who are "fighting the good fight" but those are myths that are propagated solely to keep the rest of the world from so rightfully and deservedly hating both groups. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!!! Fuck off.
The despicably criminality of the United States and Israeli will not stop until the rest of the world reflexively spits and vomits when those countries are named."
Oh, we will pretend we don't see the hypocrisy in this comment.
So we won't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but let's be consequent about it: US is a criminal entity, you are an American, soyou are a criminal.
It's really that simple. Call me when you get arrested for protesting against your chiefs at the WH lawn. Then you may share your wisdom with the world.
Posted by: T2015 | Jul 15 2014 20:39 utc | 53
@51
To be honest, I am angry all the time but have realized through much experience that if I would like to remain on a particular blog/website for any length of time I need to 1) not spend very much time on the Internet and 2) at least try to not let events - but especially the slaughtering of innocent people and the associated US/Israeli propaganda - get the better of my emotions when posting. Some days are better than others.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 15 2014 20:46 utc | 54
It's [Israel's] politicians have set the elusive aim of "dismantling Hamas". But Hamas has support of the people and unless all people are killed it will exist and a longer conflict will only make it stronger.
That's just the point, b. For Netan-yahoo, the presence of Hamas in Gaza is a constant pretext to get rid of more Gazans. When the "diet" doesn't force them to leave fast enough, go to war.
Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 15 2014 20:49 utc | 55
@52
Just look at that Coat of Arms!! Look at it, people!!!
There's an eagle there and a foot and a river and a star!!!
Do I even need to tell you all what that MEANS, ;)?
Eagle: Neo-Rosicrucianist Masonic sacrifice
Foot: The Foot of Eric the Red - Masonic Celt 33rd Degree
River: The River Styx - I mean Lethe - I mean Styx, oh I forget
Star: Betelgeuse and the Order of the Purple Persimmon Cult
Ok, really, do I still need to spell it all out? ;)
Fine, then let's look at this flag over here:
Blue: Color of Jewry and Masons and Jars
White: Purity of purpose, absence of motive?
Red: The Scarlet Pimpernel, Masons, rare London Broil
Got it?
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jul 15 2014 21:00 utc | 56
Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jul 15, 2014 4:49:39 PM | 54
...and let's not forget that HAMAS is the name of the popularly and democratically elected government of Gaza ... which helps to explain why the Western Imperialists maintained a stoic silence when "Israel" put ~50% of the new MPs in the slammer before they had a chance to hold an inaugural meeting to debate and vote on Policy.
Big Mistake!
Huge!!
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 15 2014 21:09 utc | 57
Every colonialist project has created a narrative to rationalize why they must create a new land for themselves destroying the native society and culture. The Algerian French argued that Algeria was France not even a colony (from some formal legal point) so there was no rational for a anti-colonial struggle. The colonialists in Palestine are not so particular as they, and even some of their so called opponents, try to make.
Every colonial project has been brutal against the natives because the basis of colonialism is that the people living in the colonized territory are no real people (non-humans, not 'one of us') and have no rights.
There are of course special circumstances about how, when and who created this colonial project but the principles are exactly the same. The reason it endures in the 21st century come out of some of these circumstances but the final outcome won't change. There is no future for colonies in the modern world. Unless of course the whole world regresses to the XV or XVI century or something. Giving more importance to the special circumstances is in fact helping the colonialists in asserting that they are 'different' and have a right to their claims.
The colony in Palestine is a mainly European project created by the European powers (and allies, which is now the western 'civilization' empire than includes North-America and Australia/NZ) including the URSS/Russia after the end of WW2. Of course there are colonizers from and African and Middle-East origin but most of those people were forced into the project (and in some case they are barely treated better than the natives, like the Ethiopians). All British colonies in Africa had a lot of Indian (used basically as work slaves when the natives couldn't be used) 'colonizers' but they were never were Indian colonies.
Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 15 2014 21:28 utc | 58
Are you really this stupid and cold-blooded Cold N. Arseholefield? The mind boggles!
Posted by: William Bowles | Jul 15, 2014 9:36:43 AM | 7
yes it is
and at least Gazans have some self respect
Posted by: brian | Jul 15 2014 21:42 utc | 59
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 15, 2014 3:38:36 PM | 42
iran as middle east clowns? or cold and hole in the head as angry young zionist jew?
Posted by: brian | Jul 15 2014 21:43 utc | 60
An almost-even-handed article in the New York Times today regarding the collapse of that ceasefire deal (how can it be a deal if one side wasn't consulted beforehand?).
It doesn't happen until halfway down the article, sure, but when you get there it does attempt to explain (and at reasonable length) why a ceasefire deal that simply reverts back to the status-quo was unacceptable i.e. because that status-quo is so horrible for the people in Gaza and, well, once bitten twice shy.
Jodi Rudoren must be livid that the editors gave space for contributions from reporters who have the nerve to Actually Go Out And Talk To Goys.
What next? An article pointing out that Israel is not exactly Nice Guys?
Posted by: Johnboy | Jul 15 2014 22:34 utc | 61
For Information: The PFLP state,ment
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2014/pflp150714.html
Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2014 23:07 utc | 62
Gilad Atzmon (just under this post heading ICH)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39107.htm
Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2014 23:53 utc | 63
The tunnels are being rebuilt as we speak, the missles will keep coming in. The missles will eventually get deadlier and very soon there will be drones. Nutjubyahoo is indeed a nut, this man is a murderer. The israeli establishment kills a couple of hundred palestinians and leave, then they do it again and again. This has been going on since the first zionist settlers arrived in Palestine wayyyyyyyyyy back when be it in the late 19th century or initial part of the 20th.
Whittling away at the land in bits and pieces and then chunks and large tracts. The jews will eventually lose, I mean it. The Palestinians will be hemmed in so closely and so tightly that one day the attacks will simply be open slaughter of men, women, children.
Then the images will be so disgustingly powerful that the israelies will lose all the remaining gas and momentum they had as a result of the NAZIS murders.
The current israeli crimes in Ukraine will also come to light and their role as the heirs of the nazis will be revealed.
The tunnels are being rebuilt, the missles and drones are being shipped in and they will land and kill some poor soul or his family soon.
The world will not care.
La historia no olvida
Posted by: Fernando | Jul 16 2014 1:17 utc | 65
Iron Dome May Not Be As Effective as Everyone Thinks
Adam L. Silverman, PhD*
Captain of Engineering Montgomery Scott was right (or will be as his character lives in the 23rd Century): "Ya canna change the laws of physics..."
One of Israel's major defenses against the Hamas rocket attacks emanating from Gaza is their Iron Dome missile defense system. According to experts it is NOT actually doing what it is designed to do. Richard Lloyd, a former Engineering Fellow at Raytheon Integrated Defense Systems, recently stated that: "The Iron Dome interceptors need to hit an incoming rocket head-on to have much hope of detonating a warhead... And initial visual analysis of the engagements in recent days shows that the interceptions that are occurring are from the side or behind, which provide 'essentially a zero chance of destroying the warhead,' based on the basic physics of such engagements".
It is, apparently, very hard to hit a bullet, no matter how big and how advanced one's software, head on with another bullet. Who could have known?
* Adam L. Silverman is the Cultural Advisor at the US Army War College. The views expressed here are his own and do not necessarily reflect those of the US Army War College and/or the US Army.
"... even though Israel resumed bombing Gaza, it would stop if Hamas accepts the truce and that the coming hours are critical. If not, the military has a plan in place to significantly amp up its offensive, including a possible ground operation, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was discussing military strategy.
On Tuesday evening, rocket sirens and blasts were heard in Tel Aviv, as Israel's "Iron Dome" missile defense system intercepted two rockets, according to the Israel Defense Forces Twitter account.
In addition, the military said three rockets were fired at the southern city of Eilat. The military did not immediately know who was behind the rocket fire." Foxnews
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It will be interesting to see who has more "sack" as the British say. IMO the Israelis fear the losses they might suffer in a ground campaign. OTOH the Gazan defense believes that it will gain a great deal politically from the kind of Israeli losses that Hizbullah inflicted on them in '06. People in general are savages and respect the ability to kill one's opponents. Media pictures of bombed buildings in Gaza often show reinforced concrete tunnels under them. My suspicion is that these are part of an interlocked system that would enable the fighters to move around and emerge at pre-planned points to fight on ground organized for defense. That worked well for Hizbullah. Iranians taught Hizbullah to build that system and use it. Hamas talks to Iran and has done so for a long time. This evening LTC Lerner, the IDF spokesman, told Blitzer that they, too, have taken notice of these tunnels. IMO the Israelis fear this possibility and may well decide to sit outside the city and pound it, pound it, pound it. That will do nothing for Israel. In a few years they will face Hamas again. pl
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 1:56 utc | 66
ThePaper wrote:
"The colony in Palestine is a mainly European project created by the European powers (and allies, which is now the western 'civilization' empire than includes North-America and Australia/NZ) including the URSS/Russia after the end of WW2. Of course there are colonizers from and African and Middle-East origin but most of those people were forced into the project ..."
No buddy, what u wrote is zionist propaganda.
Israel was a zionist Jewish project and countries
such as ZUSA and zuk were in fact used as tools
to achieve the goal.
See Alison Weir's new book on the theme;
'Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel'
available at Amazon.
A rundown of it;
"Soon after WWII, US statesman Dean Acheson warned that creating Israel on land already inhabited by Palestinians would "imperil" both American and all Western interests in the region. Despite warnings such as this one, President Truman supported establishing a Jewish state on land primarily inhabited by Muslims and Christians.
Few Americans today are aware that US support enabled the creation of modern Israel. Even fewer know that US politicians pushed this policy over the forceful objections of top diplomatic and military experts.
As this work demonstrates, these politicians were bombarded by a massive pro-Israel lobbying effort that ranged from well-funded and very public Zionist organizations to an "elitist secret society" whose members included Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis."
On another note, something Gilad has adressed and I agree with him. Israel is no colony. It's an entity
which seeks to throw the indigenous people out of their land in order to create a homogenous ethnic
Jewish state. The double standart could not be more
evident: while jewish zionist organizations have been and are at the forefront of opening Europe and
other countries - that have majorities of european descended people - to mass imigration that threatens serious demographic displacement and
balkanized societies(which is good for the Jews in this case) they completely oppose Israel as a
'muticultural' society.
Take a look at this disgusting woman, who is
very candid about the project;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
So, Barbara Lerner, former 'zamerican', now an
israeli, wants Europe to be multicultural.
Given that she is a bloody israeli, why not go to
Israel and fight against the artificial 'jews only
state' she is a citizen of? Why doesn't she go
there to fight against jewish supremacy?
'Cause Barbara is hersef a supremacist little snake..
Posted by: Luca K | Jul 16 2014 2:02 utc | 67
I suspect that the Iron Dome is a complete hoax just as those Patriot Missiles in the first Gulf "war" were.
If the system actually can deal with the oversize fireworks being launched from Gaza, almost by definition it will be useless against real missiles.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 16 2014 2:04 utc | 68
Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman repeated his calls for Israel to retake the Gaza Strip Tuesday, stating that Operation Protective Edge should not stop until the entire territory is under full Israeli control.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182939#.U8Xm60BbzKc
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 2:47 utc | 69
Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman repeated his calls for Israel to retake the Gaza Strip Tuesday, stating that Operation Protective Edge should not stop until the entire territory is under full Israeli control.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182939#.U8Xm60BbzKc
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-gaza-bombardment-what-youre-not-being-told/
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 3:26 utc | 70
80 minutes Gaza documentary from 2010 with German/English subtitles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VoO1jRKpwE
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 8:30 utc | 71
Gilad Atzmon is a traitor to his own country/people. It is a given that people like him have no credence whatsoever.
Posted by: caleb | Jul 16 2014 9:45 utc | 72
re 71.
In Britain, we applaud traitors without hesitation. It is not a pejorative. Our leaders operate in the interests of foreign countries (US and Israel), and that is not thought to be wrong. At least Atzmon is a principled man.
Posted by: Alexno | Jul 16 2014 10:44 utc | 73
#freepalestine @PaniiShirazi
Follow
For the record its not called politics, its all about humanity. @DwightHoward fool
Basketball star backtracks on #FreePalestine tweet
Houston Rocket's Dwight Howard deletes tweet and apologises for having an opinion on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201407141214-0023925
Posted by: brian | Jul 16 2014 12:53 utc | 74
Gilad Atzmon is a traitor to his own country/people. It is a given that people like him have no credence whatsoever.
Posted by: caleb | Jul 16, 2014 5:45:38 AM | 71
another zonist talking about treachery? whic country are you refering to?
what credence have you?
Posted by: brian | Jul 16 2014 12:54 utc | 75
The US Congress has explicity stated that the USA maintains "an irrevocable bond" with Israel.
The US Congress makes no claim of any such bond with any other nation. How is it possible, indeed, why is it not laughable, that the sovereign USA could be irrevocably bonded with any other nation?
If two nations are bonded together, irrevocably, then no matter what crimes one of the two may commit, there is no revocation.
It is like a mother who loves her son, even though he be a heinous criminal psychopath.
This is official US Policy and the Policy of Canada and Great Britain.
Posted by: Fast Freddy | Jul 16 2014 13:13 utc | 76
For the record its not called politics, its all about humanity. @DwightHoward fool
No, it's not clownish to post people's "tweets" as is your wont. Speak for yourself rather than pointing to the ejaculations of Gilad Atzmon and Dwight Howard. It'd be more credible and you would seem more real rather than just a propaganda spammer.
If Dwight Howard is so concerned, there are many more suffering and dying in Sudan every day. Why has he chosen Palestine as his humanity concern? Because it's cool and acceptable to pretend to have concern for the Palestinians — and let's not quibble, the concern is purely pretense and the Palestinians are used as cover for cowardly anti-Semitism. I say cowardly, because if you hate the Jews so much, just say it. Don't use the Palestinians to hide behind like a shield. Say you hate the Jews and then write a book about how evil they are — and leave the Palestinians out of your fight. They've been abused and used and exploited enough and many of them didn't ask for your help that's not help at all.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jul 16 2014 13:14 utc | 77
Posted by: ThePaper | Jul 15, 2014 5:28:40 PM | 57
Anti-colonialism is itself an imperialism, as we see in France today, slowly being sucked into the greater Mahgreb. The mask drops and the bloody reality seeps through, anti-colonialism is violence and war by other means using the language of innocence and victim-hood for a project of mass killing and eventual genocide. France should never have left Algeria, it opened the door to its self destruction. Remember the FLN, remember the Philippeville massacre. Look at Algeria today, what was it all for? They called it a liberation struggle but it was just another Jihad to submit mankind to Mecca and stomp on humanity's face forever. (Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. - Amen)
All countries are unjust, Israel is no exception, yet the Israelite nation has one redeeming feature in that they make the "religion" of Islam to be revealed for what it truly is - Arab Imperialism.
Read the Koran, it is all very plainly stated. Look at the behaviour of the most 'faithful' today. Consider the history of Pakistan. See how Islam creates itself through terror and murder. The World will not be at peace until those that would kill the world in the name of God are silenced.
Posted by: Northern Observer | Jul 16 2014 14:09 utc | 78
@76: "Because it's cool and acceptable to pretend to have concern for the Palestinians — and let's not quibble, the concern is purely pretense and the Palestinians are used as cover for cowardly anti-Semitism."
Whoever you are, you - or someone pretending to be you - really wrote that...
Posted by: Snake Arbusto | Jul 16 2014 15:17 utc | 79
@77
And Israel does not kill in the name of g_d? "Israelite" nation? ...ite? Really...
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 15:18 utc | 80
German/Turkish fotball planey Özil to donate alot of money to Gaza
http://www.citifmonline.com/2014/07/16/ozil-donates-600000-world-cup-winnings-to-gaza/
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 15:25 utc | 81
Cold
That you hate arabs and muslims is obvious, you are a coward, just say it.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 15:27 utc | 82
Notice how the stinkin Zionists always throw Americas pre international law past against it ,to besmirch US.And we never asked to be slaves of Zion,it was a conspiracy,shhhh..And fortunately for America,the native Americans,being divided themselves,and less numerous, gave up their struggle and succumbed to the
European.But the Israelis picked on the wrong people,as Arabs are many,and will never give up.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 16 2014 16:04 utc | 83
Harry Truman,the accidental and worst POTUS in American history.His fruits are poison,the CIA,Israel and nukes.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 16 2014 16:07 utc | 84
Given that some fools, such as 'cold' whatever and 'caleb' have
made attacks on Gilad's credibility(old tactic, attack the messenger
so people won't read the message) I am posting the thoughts of some
rather credible individuals on Gilads book;
"A transformative story told with unflinching integrity that all
(especially Jews) who care about real peace, as well as their own
identity, should not only read, but reflect upon and discuss widely."
Professor Richard Falk(himself Jewish), United Nations Special
Rapporteur on Human Rights in Palestine
"Fascinating and provocative" Professor John J. Mearsheimer
"Atzmon addresses in The Wandering Who? important issues that deserve
careful consideration by everyone—Jews, Palestinians and others—who
are concerned with the interrelated topics of Zionism, the Jewish state,
Palestinian oppression and Jews."
Professor Norton Mezvinsky(Jewish), Washington Report on Middle East
Affairs, May 2012.
“Gilad’s book constitutes an excellent critique of Identity Politics
in general and Jewish Identity Politics in particular from a
humanistic perspective. These hysterical attacks upon Gilad only
reveal the weaknesses, insecurities, double-standards and hidden
agendas of those who attack him. Gilad’s humanism and plea for
humanism shine through every page of this book—obviously influenced
by his Jazz. A Love Supreme!”
Professor Francis A. Boyle
Posted by: Luca K | Jul 16 2014 16:08 utc | 85
RE Guardian;Assange fingered their policies a few years ago,when he pointed out the ethnicity of its publisher.Simple.Israel is to be protected from public opinion at all costs.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 16 2014 16:11 utc | 86
Northern observer wrote the following foolishness;
"Anti-colonialism is itself an imperialism, as we see in France today, slowly being sucked into the greater Mahgreb."
To the degree that this is happening - as well as the equally tragic sucking
the mahgreb into France - this is the fault of the traitorous French elite.
Posted by: Luca K | Jul 16 2014 16:14 utc | 87
Israel murder more gazans
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/16/dispatch-israeli-strike-kills-four-children-at-a-gaza-beach/
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 16 2014 16:44 utc | 88
I guess it's time to do my gatekeeper work (TM). Regarding 1967:
Go read the reference (point 1) of the call, then read point 2, then read the headline. Then read (on the same website):
www.bdsmovement.net/bdsintro
And compare its point 1.
If you want me to stop gatekeeping, stop making it so easy. Debunking in two minutes flat.
Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jul 16 2014 17:14 utc | 89
In case it isn't clear, the original BDS statement, that Atzmon cites, is ambiguous enough to get both two-staters and one-staters on-board. The context specifically is suggestive of holding the existing state of Israel to account to the (grotesque, such as they are) standards of (the pretenses of) international law.
Atzmon's interpretation of point one contradicts point two---if Israel stops its occupation of Arab land behind the 1967 border, then there is no Israeli state anymore, and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship cannot call upon an Israeli state to respect their rights. Does Atzmon really think that the Palestinian groups had his implicit interpretation of point 1 in mind?
Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jul 16 2014 17:32 utc | 90
Third. For all the whining that Atzmon is misrepresented, he does occasionally make strange statements, such as the above. Losing when attacked ad rem unfortunately for Atzmon and company's friends, is not the same as being attacked ad hominem. It gives me some mirth that the folks on this board who have complained most loudly that Atzmon is misrepresented, have no difficulty misrepresenting my statements on the causes of near future imperial miscalculations as being of bearing on present imperial conduct, miscalculation or otherwise.
Doctor, heal thyself.
Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jul 16 2014 17:37 utc | 91
Palestine turns Israeli bombs into art
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/palestine-turns-israeli.html
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 17:48 utc | 92
The Jewish holocaust lasted 5 years. The Jewish israeli Holocaust inflicted on the Palestinians is now 67 years old…
The israeli soldiers and their silly generals must feel very manly to be able to kill chiildren, with impunity.
Here’s an effective and succinct summary of israeli policies:
http://amroyounes.tumblr.com/post/91956403524/its-time-to-remind-people-why-you-should-bds
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 18:15 utc | 93
Hamas is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it accepts 10 conditions. The Jerusalem Post reports, based on an Israeli Channel 2 newscast, that Azmi Bishara announced the proposal on Al Jazeera television today. Bishara, a former Israeli Knesset member, fled Israel in 2007 after being accused of spying for Hezbollah. He is currently living in Qatar where he is a high level government advisor.
According to Ma’ariv (Hebrew) these are the conditions:
Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.
Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.
Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.
Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.
Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.
Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.
International forces on the borders.
Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.
Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.
Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/report-israel-conditions.html
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Reason behind the 10 years, according to Hamas, is to give Israel the necessary time to get out of the totality of historic Palestine. A senior Hamas spokesman said so this afternoon in an interview.
Posted by: crone | Jul 16 2014 19:11 utc | 94
So we're back to the old imperial plan which would put it all under "UN" control, while giving the holy sites to Vatican. As you remember I posted about that a while ago while referring to the Shimon Peres scandal and his Jesuit connections. Fits wonderfully with the fact that MB/Hamas is commanded by the you-know-whom.
"In March 1995, the Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva was leaked a cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome to Peres's Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem confirming the handover of Jerusalem to the Vatican. This cable was printed on the front page of the radical leftwing Israeli newspaper, Ha’aretz two days later. A scandal erupted and numerous rabbis who had invited Peres for Passover services cancelled their invitations in protest of his treachery. Peres reacted by claiming that the cable was real but that someone had whited out the word, "not;" the cable really said that Israel would "not" hand Jerusalem over to the holy pontiff.
Illustrating the sorry political state of Israel's rabbis, they accepted this cockamamie excuse and re-invited Peres to their tables. However, in the widely distributed minutes of a meeting with Clinton in 1997, Peres reiterated his diplomacy, ending with the words, "as I had previously promised the Holy See.""
http://www.barrychamish.com/newsletters2012/Peres_Vatican1.html
Garnered with the usual disinfo here, but alas:
http://www.infowars.com/israel-wants-to-give-mount-zion-and-the-tomb-of-david-to-the-vatican/
Also Kerry's "peace plan" contained introducing UN to the scene, which would basically be a direct occupation by the empire (yet again) while throwing the Jews under the bus.
Posted by: T2015 | Jul 18 2014 9:10 utc | 95
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Iran to support Palestine with all might: Official
An Iranian official has slammed the Tel Aviv regime’s fatal airstrikes on the Gaza Strip, saying the Islamic Republic will help the Palestinian nation with “all might”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/371365.html
Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jul 15 2014 12:32 utc | 1