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July 30, 2014

Gaza: Market Attack A "Ceasefire" Trap?

Today:

As the security cabinet meets, Israel decides to enact a limited humanitarian ceasefire from 3 to 7 p.m. [local time].

“The humanitarian window will not apply to the areas in which IDF soldiers are currently operating,” says the army in a statement. “Residents must not return to areas that have previously been asked to evacuate.”

Hamas called this Israeli "We will not shoot except where we will shoot" ceasefire a publicity stunt.

It may have been something worse than that. It probably was trap:

GAZA CITY, Palestine: At least 17 people were killed and more than 200 people wounded in an Israeli airstrike on a market near Gaza City Wednesday, medics said.

Emergency services spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra said the strike hit a busy market in the battered Shejaiya neighborhood, which lies between Gaza City and the border with Israel.

The strike came shortly after the Israeli army said it was observing a humanitarian lull that would be in force for four hours from 1200 GMT.

The people were out getting food because they thought the ceasefire might give them enough security to do so. The result was was quite a carnage (graphic video). Israel has all kinds of unmanned and manned observation platforms flying over Gaza. It could certainly see the people out in a busy market. But as always the Israeli spokesperson will first feign ignorance and then blame the resistance for this massacre. Usually such blame does not hold up to scrutiny.

This is not the first instance where Israel seems to trap people. How do you call it when Israel tells people to leave their home and take shelter and then shells the well known shelter and kills over 20 of those in there?

A trap would also fit the criminal concept of collective punishment:

What Israel is doing in Gaza now is collective punishment: It is punishment for Gaza’s refusal to be a docile ghetto. It is punishment for the gall of Palestinians in unifying, and of Hamas and other factions in responding to Israel’s siege and its provocations with resistance, armed or otherwise, after Israel repeatedly reacted to unarmed protest with crushing force.

I am not aware of any conflict in history in which collective punishment was a successful in bringing a conflict to an end. It always seems to increase the support for the resistance. One therefore wonders why Israeli is trying this at all.

Posted by b on July 30, 2014 at 16:19 UTC | Permalink

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I don't think this is collective punishment or punsihment at all. It's a message: look, people, this is a very uncomfortable place to live. If you want to live in peace, maybe raise kids, better go elsewhere.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 30 2014 16:41 utc | 1

"One therefore wonders why Israeli is trying this at all."

Because it is run by fascists catering to an electorate of fascists and encouraged by the US which sees Gaza as a laboratory in which tactics of mass repression are being tested.

If it works in Gaza, they feel, where the population is almost unanimous in its hatred of the Israeli government and its military, if these people can be cowed into submission, it will work anywhere.

Because the candidates for submission to fascists with impoverishment and recruitment into the reserve army of labour in mind are legion.

And the New Russia districts of Ukraine are at the top of the list.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30 2014 16:43 utc | 2

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30, 2014 12:43:26 PM | 2

Yep

Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 30 2014 16:57 utc | 3

Excerpt from blog post

It probably was trap:

    GAZA CITY, Palestine: At least 17 people were killed and more than 200 people wounded in an Israeli airstrike on a market near Gaza City Wednesday, medics said.

    Emergency services spokesman Ashraf al-Qudra said the strike hit a busy market in the battered Shejaiya neighborhood, which lies between Gaza City and the border with Israel.

    The strike came shortly after the Israeli army said it was observing a humanitarian lull that would be in force for four hours from 1200 GMT.


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Genocide in the Torah

    The existential threat of Amalek.
    By Shmuly Yanklowitz


    In 2006 Conservative Rabbi Jack Reimer, Bill Clinton's rabbinic counsel during his presidency, created a stir when he associated Islamic fundamentalism with the biblical nation of Amalek.

    "I am becoming convinced that Islamic Fundamentalism, or, as some people prefer to call it, 'Islamo-fascism,' is the most dangerous force that we have ever faced and that it is worthy of the name: Amalek. We must recognize who Amalek is in our generation, and we must prepare to fight it in every way we can. And may God help us in this task."war and peace quiz
    Who is Amalek?

    According to the book of Exodus, Amalek is the nation that attacked the weakest among the Israelites as they fled from Egypt. This transgression was not to go unpunished. The Torah has a harsh prescription for Amalek: annihilation.

    "It shall be that when Hashem, your God, gives you rest from all your enemies all around, in the Land that Hashem, your God, gives you as an inheritance to possess it, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under the heaven. Do not forget it!" (Deuteronomy 25: 19; also see Exodus 17:14 and Numbers 24:20)

    Blotting out the memory of Amalek was no mere psychological activity. The Israelites were expected to kill every Amalekite--man, woman, and child. But was this just a theoretical imperative or was it meant to be carried out?

    The book of Samuel implies that it required actual fulfillment:

    "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox, and sheep, camel and ass,"(Samuel I, 15:3).
    King Saul struck down Amalek as he was commanded but he then took mercy upon King Agag and upon some of the Amalekite animals. God and the prophet Samuel harshly criticized Saul for not fulfilling God's word.

    The point, of course, is that an invocation of Amalek is serious business. Rabbi Reimer wasn't issuing a literal call to arms, but by associating "Islamo-Fascists" with Amalek, Rabbi Reimer was referencing the Jewish tradition's genocidal instincts. Jewish authorities have struggled with this commandment for centuries, but the issue is perhaps even more urgent now.

An interesting question is "Why the Fu*k would non-jewish Bill Clinton even need a "rabbinic counsel" during his presidency?"

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 17:00 utc | 4

#1
You are sounding like the concerns should be similar to a middle-class suburban environment. No, in a ghetto the kids are raised in a survival mode. Those kids won't go anywhere, they will be fighting the bully in a 3, 4 years timeframe.

Posted by: ATH | Jul 30 2014 17:04 utc | 5

I don't think this is collective punishment or punsihment at all. It's a message: look, people, this is a very uncomfortable place to live. If you want to live in peace, maybe raise kids, better go elsewhere.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 30, 2014 12:41:14 PM | 1

and where exactly are these people supposed to go?

Gaza is under blockade by the Zio-Nazis - it's essentially a concentration camp

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 17:07 utc | 6

Well it's just my guess when looking at the map of the "middle east". Lots of movement going on: the caliphate wants the shiites and christians to go live elsewhere, and if you follow the history of israel, I guess it's not too far off to say that the "zionists" sure would like to grab the west bank as well as gaza (correct me if I'm wrong). In Syria and Iraq, how many people are on the move? Millions? How many people live in Gaza, how many of them are fleeing to [elsewhere]? Imho what's going on for the last ~5 years is a serious "redrawing of the map" and I wouldn't be surprised if Israel would actively join in. "Jordan is the new palestine" I hear.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 30 2014 17:24 utc | 7

#7 that's a lot of wishful thinking. Haven't you read about the history of the crusaders? No? then just take my words on that: Don't you worry, Palestine is not going anywhere.

Posted by: ATH | Jul 30 2014 17:36 utc | 8

the quote from the new yorker article sums it up.. "What Israel is doing in Gaza now is collective punishment: It is punishment for Gaza’s refusal to be a docile ghetto."

regarding the end quote - the usa is long past anyone thinking they are an honest broker.. the opposite is the actual reality...

"If we are to move away from this unreality, the U.S. must either reverse its policies or abandon its claim of being an “honest broker.” If the U.S. government wants to fund and arm Israel and parrot its talking points that fly in the face of reason and international law, so be it. But it should not claim the moral high ground and intone solemnly about peace. And it should certainly not insult Palestinians by saying that it cares about them or their children, who are dying in Gaza today."

i guess frank luntz's talent for propaganda works fairly well coming out of the usa as well... speak platitudes and etc. while acting 180% in the opposite direction of what you state publicly..

Posted by: james | Jul 30 2014 17:45 utc | 9

Uh Israel practice genocide, like nazis, thats their goal along with this massacre of palestinians.

Dahiya practice as biased wikipedia tells us, is civilian killing doctrine by israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 30 2014 17:50 utc | 10

I don't wish for anything and I don't see how the history of the crusades is equivalent to the situation these days. What I see is "terror from above" in gaza and (I'm a cowardly european, of course) I know that *I*'d probably move out of there as fast as I could (I'd try to move my family and myself out of any warzone). If (driving people out of gaza) that's not the goal of the current "offensive" it's nonetheless taking place, as far as I read.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 30 2014 17:55 utc | 11

Don't let us all rush to judgement-the way Obama did over the Malay airplane- there needs to be a thorough enquiry (is Lord Hutton available?) into this:

“We don’t know for certain who shelled this school,” Harf, the state department spokeswoman says. “We need to get all the facts.”

Mind you there is no other artillery within a humdred miles.

Maybe, thinks the White House, Hamas is dragging Howitzers through secret tunnels.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30 2014 18:04 utc | 12

Local UNHCR boss in gaza Chris Guiness breaks down on camera starts weeping video. This man has seen a lot of blood and carnage before. If he is at his end how will the children in Gaza feel.

Posted by: b | Jul 30 2014 18:10 utc | 13

In line with peter radiator's thinking, take a look at the map after Afghanistan is inevitably reclaimed by the Taliban. You will have an Islamic emirate running from the Mediterranean to Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas. The only territory interrupting an unimpeded run will be Iran. The pressure on Iran is going to be enormous going forward. That is why the stakes are so high in Iraq and that is why the U.S. is doing everything it can to make partition there a fait accompli.

Niqnaq on his blog opined some weeks ago that Israel might simply be intending to push the Palestinian population of Gaza into the Sinai. Who knows maybe for the right price Sisi would accept the unthinkable.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 30 2014 18:15 utc | 14

#11
Every non-fighter should be spared according to any standard of morality. If this is not done, which is the case here, one should, temporarily at least, move to a shelter. The only shelters in the crowded Gaza area are the UNRWA locations. When even those are bombed, the actions of the aggressor are clearly war crimes. The consequence then is the destruction of the standards by which the European states are claiming to be ruled with. I would recommend denouncing your politician's duplicity rather than proclaiming the obvious.

Posted by: ATH | Jul 30 2014 18:24 utc | 15

b.I am not aware of any conflict in history in which collective punishment was a successful in bringing a conflict to an end.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind, but you are correct in the general sense where the killing, kidnapping, torture, injury etc. of innocents mainly serves to recruit more resistance. It certainly happened in Iraq in the past decade, and I believe that it has happened recently in eastern Ukraine.

So all the MAMs (military age males, in US troop-talk) become 'militants' and 'terrorists,' mainly doing what you or I might do in the same circumstances, and even if they aren't they must all be exterminated or confined somehow. That's what Israel will do.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 30 2014 18:29 utc | 16

#14
This doesn't look to be the goal. Israel is in peace with Egypt and cannot force the issue there. The goal is to destroy the emerging political alliance between PLO and Hamas. That is the most dangerous outcome for Israel.
Same goes with your regional assessment. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon are closer to Iran than they were 12 years ago. Turkey, Oman, Palestine, Yemen, Some of the Persian gulf sheikhdoms are in middle, while 12 years ago they were on the other side. If anything I see a trend opposite to what you describe.

Posted by: ATH | Jul 30 2014 18:31 utc | 17

"In line with peter radiator's thinking, take a look at the map after Afghanistan is inevitably reclaimed by the Taliban. You will have an Islamic emirate running from the Mediterranean to Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas. The only territory interrupting an unimpeded run will be Iran."

Mike Maloney @ 14

This is one of those Lord Salisbury affairs in which the source of the problem lies in the low quality of the maps.

The reality is that the sponsors of the Caliphate are also supporters of the Israeli assault on Gaza, and their political capital is declining rapidly in the Arab and muslim worlds.

As to Sinai does Rowan really think that any of the Arab tyrannies wants large numbers of Palestinians in their lands and close to the local population? Right now they seem very happy to leave them to Israel to deal with. Spring is over in Sinai and Sisi is skating on very thin ice. All the money in the world won't buy him a new head if, as is not impossible, he should ever be in need of one.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30 2014 18:31 utc | 18

ATH @ 17, you don't see the caliphate rising? You think Afghanistan under the Taliban will be closer to Iran?

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 30 2014 18:35 utc | 19

#19
I don't see Afghanistan as a whole going under. That's all.

Posted by: ATH | Jul 30 2014 18:38 utc | 20

bevin, I don't think the cred of the caliphate is waning. I think it is waxing. I hope I am wrong. You're right in saying that the Gulf monarchies support Israel in pummeling Hamas, along with the support of U.S. That is why the Arab League has been so quiet for the last three weeks.

What you say about Gaza and Sisi is certainly true. But the U.S. ability to muster the surprise maneuver cannot be downplayed. Who would have imagined Obama could have pulled off such an audacious move as MH17? It worked well enough to bamboozle Europe.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jul 30 2014 18:55 utc | 21

"b.I am not aware of any conflict in history in which collective punishment was a successful in bringing a conflict to an end."


Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind,

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 30, 2014 2:29:02 PM | 16

Probably not - though that IS what they teach in school - but high school history lesson leave a lot to be desired. Essentially high school history lesson are little more reliable than the dreck the MSM pumps out day by day

The Japanese are on record as trying to surrender before then but the US refused to contemplate it


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/06/secondworldwar.warcrimes

The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a criminal act on an epic scale. It was premeditated mass murder that unleashed a weapon of intrinsic criminality. For this reason its apologists have sought refuge in the mythology of the ultimate "good war", whose "ethical bath", as Richard Drayton called it, has allowed the west not only to expiate its bloody imperial past but to promote 60 years of rapacious war, always beneath the shadow of The Bomb.

The most enduring lie is that the atomic bomb was dropped to end the war in the Pacific and save lives.

"Even without the atomic bombing attacks," concluded the United States Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, "air supremacy over Japan could have exerted sufficient pressure to bring about unconditional surrender and obviate the need for invasion.

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that ... Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

The National Archives in Washington contain US government documents that chart Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued.

A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US dispels any doubt that the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including "capitulation even if the terms were hard". Instead, the US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was "fearful" that the US air force would have Japan so "bombed out" that the new weapon would not be able "to show its strength". He later admitted that "no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb".

His foreign policy colleagues were eager "to browbeat the Russians with the bomb held rather ostentatiously on our hip". General Leslie Groves, director of the Manhattan Project that made the bomb, testified: "There was never any illusion on my part that Russia was our enemy, and that the project was conducted on that basis." The day after Hiroshima was obliterated, President Truman voiced his satisfaction with the "overwhelming success" of "the experiment".

kinda hard to claim it was the Atom bombing which was successful in making them surrender, when they already had tried several times, and been rebuffed

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 19:05 utc | 23

@22 shoes.. too bad ukraine doesn't do that with Ihor Kolomoyskyi too..

Posted by: james | Jul 30 2014 19:25 utc | 25

Given that the Palestinians are losing ground so quickly and so easily without so much as a minor show of force, other than the occasional Palestinian teen throwing hand-held rocks at Israeli police or firing primitive rockets into Israeli territory, I'm beginning to think that not just ISIS, but Hamas is also for Israel. Lately this same sort of thing can often be scene happening in so-called unionized workplaces across the US. Despite having the backing of a union and all the advantages that go along with it, workers are losing their pay, pensions and benefits at an alarming rate.

My theory is that Hamas leadership has sold out to Israel, just as union bosses have sold out to Corporate America. The increasing lopsidedness of this conflict in the Middle East, as though it has been manufactured from the top on both sides, deserves an explanation, and such a theory of mine, far-fetched though it is, may indeed lead to some sort of explanation for this. It's well worth a look, IMO.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jul 30 2014 19:26 utc | 26

UNRWA Strongly Condemns Israeli Shelling of Its School in Gaza as a Serious Violation of International Law

"The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people was communicated to the Israeli army seventeen times,  to ensure its protection; the last being at  ten to nine last night, just hours before the fatal shelling."

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 19:29 utc | 27

I left out the word "working" in the above sentence to read: "..., I'm beginning to think that not just ISIS, but Hamas is also "working" for Israel.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jul 30 2014 19:33 utc | 28

Cynthia

Hamas working with israel? Take your meds and GTFO girl.
Or are you a man using a girl name?!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 30 2014 19:35 utc | 29

ZioNazi ambassador to the US, Ron Dermer, told a Christians-for-Israel summit in Washington that the

    “Israeli Defence Forces should be given the Nobel Peace Prize… for fighting with unimaginable restraint”

They want praise for not actually murdering everyone in Gaza

lovely people - only an Anti-Semite wouldn't want them as neighbours

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 19:36 utc | 30

My theory is that Hamas leadership has sold out to Israel, . . . . The increasing lopsidedness of this conflict in the Middle East, as though it has been manufactured from the top on both sides, deserves an explanation, and such a theory of mine, far-fetched though it is, may indeed lead to some sort of explanation for this. It's well worth a look, IMO.

Posted by: Cynthia | Jul 30, 2014 3:26:10 PM | 26

or sold out to someone that has sold out to the ZioNazis

Then again there's that awkward little fact of the Zio-Nazis financing Hamas in it's early days - who knows what shenanigans they got up to in terms of infiltration of Hamas

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 19:39 utc | 31

Mark Regev lying through his teeth on BBC . . . . with subtitles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqBTtXKKT_8

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 19:41 utc | 32

@Priceless(23)

You are correct about the Japanese.
It's interesting to note that to this day there is a majority of
Zamerican 'historians' who defend the nuclear attacks and try
hard to come up with excuses as to why it was so necessary
to do them.
They were NOT necessary.
Major war crimes they were.
That is why somebody(Mark Twain?) stated that history is bunk!

Posted by: Luca K | Jul 30 2014 19:43 utc | 33

#32 that's a good one.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 30 2014 19:54 utc | 34

@ Don Bacon #16 and Priceless #23.

Glad to see this issue quickly addressed, and that what "they teach in HS" (courtesy of William Langer and the Rockefeller Fnd, documented here) has some counter. As Henry Stimson, wrote in his memoir “On Active Service in War and Peace":

"Unfortunately, I have lived long enough to know that history is often not what actually happened but what is recorded as such." Henry Stimson, memoir “On Active Service in War and Peace.”

This is FAR more than an academic curiosity. The parallels between how WWII started (USN cutting off Japanese oil supplies) and the attempt to attack Russia's oil production is rather concerning.

“It can hardly be said by any objective mind that Japan as the aggressor in the war with Japan unless aggressor is defined as the reaction of a nation to an intolerable situation that has been forced upon her. A week before the attack on Pearl Harbor* Congressman [Janette] Rankin” asked a prominent non-Japanese oriental” Is the situation in the Pacific as serious as it appears?” ‘Yes,’ he replied, ‘it is serious. Japan has no choice but to go to war or to submit to economic slavery for the rest of her existence.”

-------Congressional Record, 77th Congress, 2nd Session, Vol. 88, Part 10, December 8, 1942 p. 4440, and in John Swomley, American Empire, 1970, p.68


Posted by: erichwwk | Jul 30 2014 19:57 utc | 35

And also kudos to Luca K, who has seen through "The Myths of August". While some still debate whether dropping the bombs "shortened the war and saved lives", the evidence seems clear (included statements by Leslie Groves so Szilard and Feynman) that the War was deliberately lengthened (costing more lives) to have a diplomatic weapon to use against the Russians, and keep them from ME (Iranian) oil fields.

http://bit.ly/1nUhqvZ

Posted by: erichwwk | Jul 30 2014 20:26 utc | 36

Something has changed as b had mentioned in a different
post about the new round of massacre in Gaza;

The last couple oftimes the Israeli scum attacked Gaza, there were
just massacres. Last time, if memory serves, they lost
13 I"D"F, half of these killed in friendly fire incidents.
This time around, they are massacring the palestinians again.
Vast majority civilians. But this time their ground invasion
is costing them a lot more casualties.
Hamas seems to have learned a thing or 2 since the last time
and they have killed scores of zionist sissy soldiers.
These brave zionists, very tough to murder women and children
with artillery and air strikes, do not fare very well when
they have to actually close with the enemy.
Already on July 28, they had admitted to 52 KIA, with unknown
number of wounded. But the tally could be a bit higher.
Antiwar reported that;
"The details of the ongoing war in Gaza are sometimes unclear
because of harsh military censorship inside of Israel[...}

and added that;

"Hamas is claiming the Israeli toll is even higher, in
official statements claiming they had killed 91 soldiers
and wounded hundreds. Israel has not publicly released
the number of wounded."

At least 2 of the israeli soldiers killed were zamerican joos.

Still a far cry from the near 1400 casualties the israeli
IDF sissies suffered in their brief war with Hezb in 06,
but at least this time around they r paying a price in blood.

Posted by: Luca K | Jul 30 2014 20:32 utc | 37

the War was deliberately lengthened (costing more lives) to have a diplomatic weapon to use against the Russians, and keep them from ME (Iranian) oil fields.

http://bit.ly/1nUhqvZ

Posted by: erichwwk | Jul 30, 2014 4:26:40 PM | 36

Some maintain that the reason Dresden was firebombed was also to send a message to the Russians, who were reportedly a mere 100km from Dresden at the time.

The idea allegedly being that the Brits and US were sending a message to the Russians: "Look what we'll do to a defenceless city, of no military importance, packed to the gills with civilian refugees. Imagine what we'll do to you Russians when we get the chance."

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 20:34 utc | 38

THE EVIDENCE SHOWS ISRAELI "IRON DONE" MISSLE DEFENSE SYSTEM NOT WORKING:

who you going to believe? and bunch of pinko rocket scientists or red blooded military PR operatives?

http://thebulletin.org/evidence-shows-iron-dome-not-working7318

Next up! American ABM systems will protect us all (especially Europeans ; > from "Putins" doomsday machines!! We can now attack Russia with total impunity and spread truth justice and the capitalist way!!

Posted by: Marc | Jul 30 2014 21:47 utc | 39

james @9, funny you should mention that. I've been seeing hasbara tactics coming from the "social justice" left quite a bit lately. At least two articles to the effect of "I'll gladly see the commons slashed and burned, and maybe even throw in a few gallons of petrol myself, if it allows me to believe My Special People can have a special place in society."

Liberal ambition and colonialism are of a piece.

Posted by: Jonathan | Jul 30 2014 22:03 utc | 40

shoes @22: Any "news" whose chain of custody ends on tumblr is somewhere in the triangle between wishful thinking, utter nonsense and hasty agitprop. Do you work for NML Capital, by chance? Posting such fabrications would be just their style, and the "cui bono" test -- creating an official enemy of USrael -- passes.

Posted by: Jonathan | Jul 30 2014 22:12 utc | 41

“We know for certain who shelled this school,” Barf, the state department spokeswoman says. “We don't need to get any of the facts. We can announce with certainty that it was a vile deed by Hitler Putin.”

Posted by: Petra | Jul 30 2014 22:14 utc | 42

Thanks for the link to CK's statement ...

Argentina’s President Christina Kirshner Will Revoke Citizenship From Every Citizen With The Possession of Both Argentinian And Israeli Passports


Argentina’s President Christina Kirshner has declared that her country will revoke the Argentinian citizenship from every citizen with the possession of both Argentinian and Israeli passports. “This new law will make it impossible for any Argentinian to serve in the Israeli army which is assassinating innocent people and children” stated her spokesman.

And Evo Morales has not lost his voice ...

Bolivia declares Israel terrorist regime


Bolivia has declared Israel a “terrorist state” and revoked a visa exemption agreement with Tel Aviv in protest at the ongoing Israeli attacks on the besieged Gaza Strip.

The move "means, in other words, we are declaring (Israel) a terrorist state," President Evo Morales said during talks with a group of educators in the city of Cochabamba on Wednesday.

Morales added that the Israeli offensive shows "that Israel is not a guarantor of the principles of respect for life and the elementary precepts of rights that govern the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of our international community."

Earlier this month, the Bolivian president called on the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to prosecute Israel for "crimes against humanity."

The move came as a fresh Israeli airstrike on a busy market near Gaza City killed at least 17 people and injured dozens of others earlier in the day.


South America! And especially the Indigenes! Not all Americans are genocidal war criminals. Just the ones where they speak English.

As for the Nobel Peace Prize ... the guy's right, the IDF ought to get one, Obama did. It's a license to kill ... and for wiping your ass with when you're done.

Posted by: john francis lee | Jul 30 2014 22:17 utc | 43

Jews continue to murder and maim people in the Gaza Getto while we watch. It is not the time for politeness.
Now you see these jews are Cowardly, lying, bloodstained fucking war criminal rattenscheit. That is being nice.
When you hear their explanations of why they murder kids they sound like slimy lizards.
Jews tell people that God chose them above all of us and gave them Palestine. God chose that shit?
Fuck their whining and victim pretence. They have no right there except with the permission of the local Palestinians. The experiment was a disaster. Most jews support the murders..

In the FIRST HALF of the LAST CENTURY a disaster happened to 50 million people including a few jews who
have been exploiting it since then to get power and money. They care nothing for the others.

Today in Germany you can deny Jesus but cannot by law deny the jewish story as they tell it. How controlling and stupid. You should have the right to deny anything you wish. It should be studied to see the truth which is not what you were told.
The Holocaust is what they are doing to the Palestinians in the Gaza Getto. That is true. We have seen it.
Germans bring their children to old historic Camps to make them guilty. No other country does that.
Germans have jewish reminders in the centre of Berlin. Jews will NOT have one in Tel Aviv to show their murder in Palestine
Germans have signs to show where houses were owned by jews. Jews have no signs to show where Palestinians lived
Germans stand up. You look stupid, embarressing and pathetic in your abject cringing apologies for living. Say NO. Stop licking jewish ass. You have been successfully psychologically programmed to hate yourself. Grow up. We need you.

BOYCOTT them ALL. Its called colatteral damage. Ask the Palistinians. Their shops, goods, shops that sell their goods, personally, music, all completely. BOYCOTT. That you can do now. IT WORKS.

Posted by: boindub | Jul 30 2014 22:18 utc | 44

zionist jews far worse than the german nazis: they lasted about 10 years, the zionists for over 70 years of 'international community' sanctioned murder torture and mayhem

Posted by: brian | Jul 30 2014 22:26 utc | 45

number 44, a hasbarista no doubt, is here to make us all fear being labeled anti-semites along with his fake persona.

Zionists are not all Jews and all Jews are not Zionists. It is time for the Jews, American Jews especially, to denounce Israel as controlled by Zionists. And for us non-Jews to do so as well.

More and more American Jews are denouncing Israel, hence the screed above. Of course you won't hear any of them if you don't go looking, the propaganda organs in full throat as they are.

Posted by: john francis lee | Jul 30 2014 22:28 utc | 46

"Then again there's that awkward little fact of the Zio-Nazis financing Hamas in it's early days - who knows what shenanigans they got up to in terms of infiltration of Hamas.."

Half truths are so useful for trolls.
It is true that the organisation which later became Hamas was encouraged by Israeli intelligence as a jihadist alternative to secular, ostensibly communist Fatah.
But it is not true that Hamas is still supported by Israel or is now, or ever has, carried out Israels bidding.
I have no particular liking for Hamas but to suggest that they are working for Israel is insanity.
The resistance that Hamas militia members are putting up to this imperialist criminality has earned them the respect of all decent people. They are working in the most difficult circumstances: ill armed and short of ammunition they are nevertheless taking a toll on the IDF and, once again, demonstrating the vulnerability of this ill trained and demoralised bunch of thugs.

As to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, these were demonstrations with many purposes. The most important in my view was very likely to have been, at one and the same time, to intimidate the USSR and to forestall the Red Army putting an end to the war by attacking Japan as agreed at Yalta. Still Don is right in that there was almost no resistance to US rule in Japan. There wasn't a lot in Germany either, to any of the four allied powers, until the US started financing and organising anti-Soviet groups.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 30 2014 22:32 utc | 47

People must see this latest Israeli crime in a wider context. For the IDF, it's all about body count and number. It doesn't matter whether they're combatants of civilians, they're all Palestinians and a good Palestinian to them is a dead one.

The IDF is trained to kill Arabs. Not just any Arab, but more specifically Palestinians - in Gaza. The shelling of that market was the IDF's collective punishment/revenge for suffering another massive casualty today - kinda like how the Nazis use to do. 12 of their troops were critically wounded in operation in the strip today and 3 other troops died from clashes with Palestinian resistance fighters. Shelling civilian target is the IDF's way of getting even. They believe it might affect the Palestinians to give up the fight - kinda like a mini shock and awe operation. What they're doing, however is making even the most pacifist Palestinian very angry and wanting revenge.


Bibi is stuck in a hole and doesn't know how to get out. He was hoping John Kerry could persuade his Arab/Turkish enablers to force Hamas to accept his one-sided ceasefire that secured Israel's interest. But this was not to be. The Palestinians rightfully rejected it and instead demanded an end to the blockade. Kerry went back to the Israelis and got insults and humiliation so he went back home empty handed.

The longer this war continues, the weaker Israel becomes. Heck, they'll use nukes, chemical, biological weapons and get over with it if they could. Watch this space, the West Bank, which have remained largely silent throughout this horror show, may explode any moment. We might very well see the end of the Shah of Palestine(Mahmoud Abbas) as well.

And oh, Bibi can afford to get away with murder because he knows he;s got the backing of most Western leaders. They'll moan a bit in public but in private, they're very much supportive of Bibi.

Posted by: Zico | Jul 30 2014 22:39 utc | 48

"It's a message: look, people, this is a very uncomfortable place to live. If you want to live in peace, maybe raise kids, better go elsewhere."

Sorta like another message: Arbeit macht frei; a velly velly anti-Jew thing to say. How can such a perverted "country" exist? Rhetorical, no reply required.

Posted by: ruralito | Jul 30 2014 22:39 utc | 49

@46 JFL, it's interesting innit, how the virulent anti-jew seems to operate right up the Zionist's alley: Oh, ye poor Jews, escape the pogrom now, come to Israel where you will be safe!

Posted by: ruralito | Jul 30 2014 23:03 utc | 50

47

The representative from Tel Aviv drools his slime once again

Hes so desperate to find something to object to that he invents whatever he likes.

Cynthia was the one that suggested it, not me.

Given that the rockets have little military or strategic effect on the Zionazis, and serve only as a convenient excuse for the zionists to continue their slaughter, Hamas' use of them merely provides the zionazis with convenient propaganda talking points.

So in using the militarily useless rockets, they might as well be working for the zionazis.


And you of course have no idea how deeply hamas might be infiltrated by the zionazis, but then not having a clue has never stopped you from pontificating before, so why should it stop you now

Your inability to admit any of that is typical of you though.

Your last paragraph was funny though, pretending to disagree with me while actually merely regurgitating what i already said. You'd make a useful enough stenographer for someone, i spose, should they tire of you in Tel Aviv

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 23:07 utc | 51

Still Don is right in that there was almost no resistance to US rule in Japan.


Posted by: bevin | Jul 30, 2014 6:32:31 PM | 47

Don never said that. And don was wrong anyway because as stated earlier, and completely ignored by you naturally, the japanese had already tried to surrender and indicated they would accept any terms. As shown earlier, collective punishment via A-bomb was unnessecary in order to get them to accept US rule

Your desire to find something to argue about, even going so far as to invent from thin air, is rather pathological, at this stage

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 30 2014 23:18 utc | 52

I find this a chilling message as Israel coward attack on Gaza continued today hitting a U.N. shelter and a public market killing scores of children. The White House and the State Department refuse to come forward and put blame on Israel. I find this cold and heartless, this is not my America. This is a My Lai slaughter of defenseless people all over again. Obama, Biden. Kerry and Rice, I have lost all respect. Your R2P policy is just a bunch of crap, you heartless and mindless souls. This is not showing leadership, this is inhumane.

U.S. Participates In Israeli Criminal Acts Gaza, Replenishes Ordnance

Army Surplus of Mortars and Grenades good enough for Gaza before expiration date – fancy price for Israel's Defense Forces – thank you Uncle Sam.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 30 2014 23:25 utc | 53

@41 jonathan.. thanks for pointing out that rumour shoes was spreading via a poor link which i never actually went to until you pointed it out..

shoes - find something more solid next time as that doesn't do it.

Posted by: james | Jul 30 2014 23:26 utc | 54

I have posted the answer to your post on Red Pill Views. If you have a moment do check it out. http://www.redpillviews.com/hamas-wants-a-cease-fire-the-view-from-israel/

Posted by: Robert Gorden | Jul 31 2014 1:31 utc | 55

As long as the media continues to cover for Israeli crimes - as b has shown us over the course of many posts - I doubt there will be much progress in the US or in Europe. Luckily, the news from South America is very promising, and the continuing reports of protests like occurred on al Quds day.

I was actually on a train the other day, only to hear some orthodox Jewish business men (presumably the type that retires on some hilltop in the Occupied Territories) discussing the media coverage of Gaza, and they actually said "oh, the media, always blaming Israel" and I thought... well this is where they're at.
The reality is that no amount of media polish (though plenty has been applied) can clear up these crimes. What their adopted "homeland" is doing is so foul that not even the most soft-peddled description of it can make it sound acceptable. These guys on the train - if they cared to understand - would know that the media is actually bending over backwards to cover up for Israel, and what they're complaining about an ugly reality that simply cannot be covered up despite the best efforts of the world's finest propaganda machine.

Its a big problem for them, and it shows that the disconnect they're living in. The bag of hasbara tricks is empty. And these American Jews blaming "the media" for the worlds perception of Israel would be like a group of SS men, in 1945, blaming the director of Kolberg for the troubles of Germany.

...

As for ISIS, those dummies - apparently the "time is not right" for a confrontation with Israel. They'll only be ready to take on tiny Israel after they've destroyed Iraq, Syria, Iran, Lebanon and the USA (and murdered a few hundred thousand more Arabs in the process) will they feel strong enough to stand up for the couple of thousand dead in Gaza. Then the time will be right. Sure, and I'm Osama bin Laden:

Among them, Nuseiri said that the US - seen as Israel's greatest ally - needed to be weakened politically and economically via attacks on the American mainland, as well as US interests in Muslim countries. Additionally, the existing "Islamic State" needed to expand its borders to cover all of "Greater Syria" (which would include Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and possibly Gaza); such a state, he said, would then be in a position for a direct confrontation with Israel.

Just a few more decades of war utterly destroying the Arab World is what ISIS needs before saying "boo" over those poor souls living in Gaza. One couldn't imagine a more fake fucking crew of CIA sponsored nitwits if you tried.

...

Though speaking of fake nitwits I see Dickless has shown up to derail another thread about Israel. What else is new? Priceless' hasbara masters get a two-fer if he can both sqwak about "the Talmud" and look like a fool, all while accusing principled, respected bevin - who is taking a principled stand against the settler state - as being "the voice of Tel Aviv". Truth turned upside down - that's the hasbara way.

Dickless nee f.o.ff, nee l.o.l. nee hmm - the least honest guy who ever needed multiple screen names and a proxy server to smear some well-meaning people. If anyone here is silly enough to fall for his bogus ass-kissing, beware.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 31 2014 2:22 utc | 56

This conflict in gaza is about 15 years worth of natural gas reserves just off the coast of gaza. Yes there is centuries of animosity between palestinians and jews but the real reason is that israel needs that natural gas because its own known reserves are far off its shores and will take many years to get online. There are other factors at play but you can find those out with a little due diligence.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/gaza-marine-gas-field/&sa=U&ei=FqbZU8vcEY2syATg1IGoAQ&ved=0CCAQFjAH&usg=AFQjCNHd2zMwq0JmMXKjrY8KLpeAG0lZMg">http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/gaza-marine-gas-field/&sa=U&ei=FqbZU8vcEY2syATg1IGoAQ&ved=0CCAQFjAH&usg=AFQjCNHd2zMwq0JmMXKjrY8KLpeAG0lZMg">http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/gaza-marine-gas-field/&sa=U&ei=FqbZU8vcEY2syATg1IGoAQ&ved=0CCAQFjAH&usg=AFQjCNHd2zMwq0JmMXKjrY8KLpeAG0lZMg

Posted by: really | Jul 31 2014 2:32 utc | 57

israel, rolls off the tongue wrong, won't be long,they meet they demise and i speak in broke-n english cuz "the jewish state" is a little late. colonialism is so nineteenth century,jewish folk are nothing if not smart,gotta be hubris and greed. make's 'em think they need----- a country?????

Posted by: ri.fle | Jul 31 2014 5:22 utc | 58

bevin @2
here's a video of a Jewish ex-IDF soldier who states explicitly that Gaza is a laboratory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=93hqlmrZKd8

On The Wrong Side Of History
Ex-Israeli Soldier Speaks Out...

An Israeli Soldier's Story - Eran Efrati - What he says will change everything you think you know about Israel!

Posted by: okie farmer | Jul 31 2014 7:51 utc | 59

in your dreams Banki!
United Nations ✔ @UN
Follow
Ban Ki-moon condemns #Gaza school attack, demands accountability & justice. More updates: http://j.mp/1u1PciA

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 8:11 utc | 60

Bevin @18,The reality is that the sponsors of the Caliphate are also supporters of the Israeli assault on Gaza, and their political capital is declining rapidly in the Arab and muslim worlds. I agree, The US, Saudi Arabia and Egypt want to give a blow to Hamas http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-hearst/attack-on-gaza-by-saudi-r_b_5603735.html

Posted by: harry law | Jul 31 2014 8:56 utc | 61

#60 that huffpost article ist quite interesting. Yesterday, Israel announced the call for a further 16.000 reservists guardian. This won't be over soon. If this is a bigger offensive, and given that there's an agreement between Israel and the gulf states, I'd think the next step might be the mutual sharing of Syria and Lebanon. Israel trying to take on hezbollah while the caliphate tries to take on Assad's Syria at the same time. Of course it will all be "retaliation" on the israeli side. Just have some "hezbollah" rockets launch from lebanese or syrian territory, and israel will "reluctantly but there's no alternative" come up with a "harsh answer" and so on. Maybe then Gaza really is just a first step to eliminate possible threats on the southern "front".

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 31 2014 9:17 utc | 62

Yes there is centuries of animosity between palestinians and jews but the real reason is that israel needs that natural gas

Firstly : there have been DECADES, not centuries, of "animosity" between the Zio-Nazis and the Palestinians

Secondly : The Zio-Nazis were killing and murdering Gazans long before they ever knew there was any Gas near Gaza. In fact the Mass-Murder and Ethnic Cleansing of Gazans has ALWAYS been the plan of the Zio-Nazis. The historical record proves this.

So to claim that "Gazan Gas is the REAL reason" seems utterly superfluous as an explanation for the Mass-Murder currently being undertaken by the Zio-Nazis

One might correctly state that "the Gas is an additional reason for the Zio-Nazis to engage in Mass-Murder", but to call it the REAL reason is very misleading, since it ignores the myriad of instances of Zio-Nazi instigated Mass-Murder of Gazans in the past

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 31 2014 10:31 utc | 63

Russel Brand slam Fox news on Gaza

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 31 2014 11:30 utc | 64

I rarely read Dkos anymore but once in a while there is a diary thats worthwhile reading, like this one:

12 Years Ago Today, Hamas Tried to Kill My Wife. I'm Marking that Day by Opposing the Gaza War.

Posted by: Fran | Jul 31 2014 11:36 utc | 65

What claptrap about traps. If you dumbass nazi barflies were to sober up for even a second and look at
things objectively instead of through your swastika shaped Kaleidoscopes, you would realize that the IAF alone
has flown over 4,000 sorties over Gaza(leaving out drone strikes and ground fire)and that Palestinian Health Ministry figures show about 1120 civilian casualties (based on their grossly overstated 80% civilian casualty rate.)
So even using to these lowball figures, it works out to about 0.28 civilian casualties per sortie or taking into account that an F16 carries about 4 tons of bombs to about 0.07 civilian casualties per ton of bombs.
If the IDF were really trying their best to kill Palestinian civilians, they are doing an unbelievably poor job.
Instead of setting up fictional traps, they could just aim their bombs a bit better.

Posted by: RP 3 | Jul 31 2014 12:18 utc | 66

Russel Brand slam Fox news on Gaza

good old Russel

Say what you like about the man, but he certainly can spot a good marketing opportunity for his "Pwofessional Webel" brand

beats being over 30yrs of age and still discussing your penis with the 13-15yr demographic, eh Russ?

Posted by: Priceleess | Jul 31 2014 12:33 utc | 67

And he picked such a hard to hit target in Sean Hannity too

Russ is my new hero

Posted by: Priceleess | Jul 31 2014 12:39 utc | 68

Posted by: RP 3 | Jul 31, 2014 8:18:17 AM | 65

Don't worry -I'm sure a Nobel Peace Prize, for not murdering absolutely everyone in Gaza, is winging it's way to Zio-Nazi-land as we speak

Posted by: Priceleess | Jul 31 2014 12:42 utc | 69

Priceless you are clueless even when confronted by hard data.

Posted by: RP 3 | Jul 31 2014 12:49 utc | 70

@16 Don Bacon You're assuming that the bombings of Hirosima AND Nagasaki brought about the Japanese surrender. Do some reading: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

Posted by: Snake Arbusto | Jul 31 2014 12:51 utc | 71

Naomi Wolf:.
24 minutes ago
Okay, so I was challenged below: "Read the Bible! God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people." So....I may get crucified for this but I have started to say it -- most recently (terrified, trembling) to warm welcome in a synagogue in LA: Actually if you read Genesis Exodus and Deuteronomy in Hebrew -- as I do -- you see that God did not "give" Israel to the Jews/Israelites. We as Jews are raised with the creed that "God gave us the land of Israel" in Genesis -- and that ethnically 'we are the chosen people." But actually -- and I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, I checked my reading with major scholars and they confirmed it -- actually God's "covenant" in Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING.
Again and again in the "covenant" language He never says: "I will give you, ethnic Israelites, the land of Israel." Rather He says something far more radical - far more subversive -- far more Godlike in my view. He says: IF you visit those imprisoned...act mercifully to the widow and the orphan...welcome the stranger in your midst...tend the sick...do justice and love mercy ....and perform various other tasks...THEN YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE AND THIS LAND WILL BE YOUR LAND. So "my people" is not ethnic -- it is transactional. We are God's people not by birth but by a way of behaving, that is ethical, kind and just. And we STOP being "God's people" when we are not ethical, kind and just. And ANYONE who is ethical, kind and just is, according to God in Genesis, "God's people." And the "contract" to "give" us Israel is conditional -- we can live in God's land IF we are "God's people" in this way -- just, merciful, compassionate. AND -- it never ever says, it is ONLY your land. Even when passages spell out geographical "boundaries" as if God does such a thing, it never says this is exclusively your land. It never says I will give this land JUST to you. Remember these were homeless nomads who had left slavery in Egypt and were wandering around in the desert; at most these passages say, settle here, but they do not say, settle here exclusively. Indeed again and again it talks about welcoming "zarim" -- translated as "strangers" but can also be translated as "people/tribes who are not you" -- in your midst. Blew my mind, hope it blows yours.
https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author/posts/10152548360004476?fref=nf

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 13:25 utc | 72

The attack on Gaza began on the same day as MH17 was downed. (July 17- early 18 depending on time zones, upload dates, publishing dates.)

Killing Ukrainians in the Donbass and Palestinians in Gaza is part of the same combat.

Never mind that some of the contradictions are hard to obfuscate, wash away, cover up.

(E.g. neo-nazis in the Ukr. Gvmt. Look how much effort was made to keep that out of the MSM, you’d think Ukrainians loved Israel ..)

Israel was not just ‘hiding’ under ‘news’ that would grip the MSM thus leaving news about Israel dead in the water or on the back page/end of vid.

No, escalation of the hegemon in Ukr. provides new determination for Isr., whereby it shows it’s utter subservience, poodle and profiteering status.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 31 2014 14:05 utc | 73

UN session Live on Gaza
http://webtv.un.org/
Click video on the right

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 31 2014 14:17 utc | 74

The ZioNazi government has released photographs of Hamas tunnels in Gaza. It is highly probable that Hamas fighters and political leaders are living underground. It is difficult not to conclude therefore that the continual bombardment of civilian residential buildings, mosques, power stations, and other infrastructure by ZioNazi forces from land, sea and air, is militarily ineffective and thus principally a collective punishment on the population of Gaza.

ZioNazi spokespersons repeatedly claim that they wish to avoid civilian causalities while they accuse Hamas of deliberately targeting ZioNazi civilians.

Whatever the intention, it is in this case undoubtedly only the outcome that counts.

At least 75 per cent of the 1,200 killed by the Israel Defence Forces are innocent Palestinian civilians, very many of them children.

Of the 56 killed by Hamas, 5 per cent have been civilian and 95 per cent ZioNazi soldiers.

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 31 2014 14:22 utc | 75

So this conflict is not about gaza natural gas? I beg to differ. Always follow the money and the truth will rear its head.

https://petergarciawebb.com/peter-garcia-webb/2014-07-31/history-gaza-marine-gas-field-part-2-israel-attacks

Posted by: really | Jul 31 2014 14:38 utc | 76

PRiceless

Also close to 100% of israelis support the massacares. They are brianwashed to hate people that arent jews.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 31 2014 14:42 utc | 77

So this conflict is not about gaza natural gas?

Posted by: really | Jul 31, 2014 10:38:50 AM | 75

CORRECT

The conflict has been going on for decades now, looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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oooooooooooooooong before anyone knew the was any gas to be had near Gaza.

I beg to differ.

Who but you gives a shit about whether or not you "beg to differ"? You're still wrong, and the historical record, the existence of the conflict over the course of decades, unequivocally proves it.

So "beg to differ" all you want but you'll still be wrong, as the decades long existence of this conflict proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 31 2014 15:46 utc | 78


Less than 4% of Israeli Jews Think the IDF Has Used Excessive Firepower in Gaza

90+% of Israeli Jews Believe Operation Protective Edge Is Just

Source

The Israel Democracy Institute (IDI) and Tel Aviv University are releasing the monthly Peace Index poll, which this month covers Israeli public opinion on Operation Protective Edge and the Gaza-Israel conflict.

In three sequential surveys carried out 14 July, 16-17 July, and 23 July, public opinion was assessed.

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Justness and Proportionality


  • Justness of Operation Protective Edge: Over the course of the surveys, Israeli Jewish public opinion has been consistently almost unanimous in its definition of Operation Protective Edge as justified – an average of 95% (96%, 92%, and 97% over the course of the three surveys).

  • Use of Firepower: Only 3 – 4% of Israeli Jews believed that the IDF has used excessive firepower in Gaza (3.1%, 3.8%, and 3.7%). The balance believed that the IDF used an appropriate level of firepower (48%, 37%, and 60%) or insufficient firepower (45%, 57%, and 33%).

Performance Throughout Operation Protective Edge


  • Government: On a scale of 1 to 10 (with 1 being very poor and 10 being very good), Israeli Jews rated the performance of the government on average as 8.0, 6.3, and 8.0 over the course of the three surveys. In the same manner, the Home Front Command was given an average grade of 9.1, 8.6, and 9.1. Lastly, local governments were rated on average with a grade of 8.6, 8.0, and 8.2.

  • Jewish Public: Israeli Jews rated the behavior of the Israeli Jewish public on average with a grade of 8.9, 8.2, and 8.7 over the course of the three surveys.

  • Arab Public: Israeli Jews rated the behavior of the Israeli Arab public on average with a grade of 4.0, 3.4, and 3.4 over the course of the three surveys.

Ceasefire Under What Conditions


  • Unilateral Ceasefire: Over the course of the three surveys, Israeli Jews were opposed to a unilateral Israeli ceasefire for up to 48 hours and to continue the operation if rocket fire does not stop (79%, 79%, and 82%).

  • Ceasefire with Later Discussions on Quiet: Israeli Jews disagreed with the proposal to an immediate ceasefire in order to discuss the conditions for maintaining the quiet (63%, 64%, and 69%).

  • Ceasefire After Agreement for Sustaining Quiet: Israeli Jews supported agreeing to a ceasefire only after an agreement on the conditions for sustaining quiet is reached (64%, 60%, and 56%).


Outcome of Operation Protective Edge
When asked what will be the outcome of Operation Protective Edge, a majority of Israeli Jews believed that there will be a further round of battle with Hamas (77%, 65%, and 50%). A minority believe that a long-term quiet, like the quiet achieved on the northern border after 2006, will be achieved (8%, 16%, and 30%).

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 31 2014 15:51 utc | 79

Historically, the Amalekites are well known as the "Hyksos" ("shepherd-kings") who conquered a prostrate Egypt following the catastrophe (which Manetho called the "blast of heaven's displeasure") recorded in the Book of Exodus. They were originally from the Arabian peninsula and had been forced to migrate by that catastrophe. In the course of their migration they confronted the "great mixed multitude" of "Israelites," migrating
in the opposite direction. The two groups fought inconclusively, then moved on. The Hyksos ruled Egypt for centuries (the Prophecy of Balaam described "Amalek" as the "First among the Nations,") until they were defeated by the joint efforts of the 17th Dynasty Egyptians (under Ahmose I) and the Unified Kingdom Israelites (under Saul).

Posted by: fosforos | Jul 31 2014 16:25 utc | 80

This is Israel's final solution to the Hamas problem.

As an outside observer and supporter of the resistance, I consider the actions of Hamas vis-à-vis Syria to be detestable. Consider then the reaction of Iran, Syria and Hezbollah when Hamas threw its hat in the ring - abandoning Damascus and relocating to Qatar. Surely one of the greatest betrayals in modern history that has caused an irreconcilable fissure to emerge between the parties (regardless of what 'sources' would have us believe)

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Israelis have been given the green light by the US after Iranian assurances emerging from Geneva, Vienna and wherever else they've been negotiating reintegration with the "West" not to rearm the group. Instead, Iranian attention will shift to other passive Palestinian resistance factions. Resistance isn't limited to Hamas, but Palestinian betrayal of the resistance is limited to Hamas.

I suspect that the purpose of slaughtering civilians is now just as much to goad the Iranians as it is for the pure enjoyment of the Israelis.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 31 2014 16:37 utc | 81

Well the Turks did use collective punishment against the Amenian Civil Rights movement in the 19th century Ottoman Empire. They went with the no man no problem solution. Sometimes resistance is a losing strategy.

Posted by: Northern Observer | Jul 31 2014 16:43 utc | 82

Priceless

You are the one that are wrong thinking this is about gas. Its about Israel want to take more and more of the palestinian land.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 31 2014 16:51 utc | 83

Imagine if a neo-nazi, just one, was elected to the F parliament. Someone like Oleh Tyahnybok (Svoboda in Ukr.), see wiki.

The Isr ambassador would be rabid. The Isr lobby would already have threatened and instigated 7 court cases. There would be violent demos in the street (pro Isr, disrupted, 1 dead!) The vote would have been contested, then most certainly annuled.

Every pol would have spoken up against fascism and nazism and for equality etc. Every single one, including Marine Le Pen. Ppl who supported the result of the ‘democratic vote’ would be vilified, hunted in the cafés, the métro, and on the intertubes.

The contestors would be branded Islasmic terrorists, suicide-bombing Palestians -they kill babies-, old-style fascists, Hitler groupies, anti-Semites… arrested, then freed without evidence after a looonng jail stay and heavily fined by the thought police, career ruined.

Bibi and Obi would have burnt up the teldephone wires. Nazis contra Israel in France, the horror! the shock! 90% of the population would have been mobilised!

Neo-nazis (short description) in Ukraine? No problem. Why? Because the USA says so. So, by defintion, Isr. says so. That is it, move along, nothing to see here.

Israel does not really defend Jews beyond a lot of screaming abroad and cruel to put it mildly apartheid discrimination at home. Isr has after the US the worst child poverty stats for it’s own ‘ethnic’ / religious’ inhabitants, and it is a rich country, etc…heh, with outside support..

Isr is a military dictatorship dressed up in ‘democratic shoddy gear’ in cahoots with some Transnational Cos. (arms, finance, etc.) while also deeply involved in many very ugly biz. It plays its victim status as a diabolical mask to evidence and show the world it can actually ‘do’ genocide (on a small scale, but oh how orgasmic) which not only enthralls the US - a result it looked for and paid for - but many others.

Posters here may grieve, sincerely, and moan about the massacres in Gaza, but Isr. has taken a step forward in its murder, and that is not just welcomed, but adulated. It was planned. These killings are part of the present International System, being shocked is imho more than naive, maybe even for some, complicit, as that leads ro all the discussions about ‘peace’, ‘solutions’ - two state, one state - etc. which are beside the point, Isr. is not at war with Palestine.

All talk of cease fire etc. is scripted from the start, just BS for the gallery. The Israelis will stop at some point but will be pissed - they didn’t kill enough children. Unitl the next time! Please note the link to Ukraine.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 31 2014 18:01 utc | 84

@ 59 Okie Farmer

Excellent Video. Thanks for sharing. I am sending it everywhere...

I hope the barflies here watch it... if you don't see/read anything else today, this video is a must!!!

Posted by: crone | Jul 31 2014 18:10 utc | 85

"Isr is a military dictatorship dressed up in ‘democratic shoddy gear’ in cahoots with some Transnational Cos(arms, finance, etc.) while also deeply involved in many very ugly biz. It plays its victim status as a diabolical mask to evidence and show the world it can actually ‘do’ genocide (on a small scale, but oh how orgasmic which not only enthralls the US - a result it looked for and paid for..."

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 31, 2014 2:01:26 PM | 84

You are correct. Israel is on a major land and resource grab for the Transnationals Corps and itself. All the death and destruction in gaza is just business to them. Certain Palestinians do not want to accept Israels terms so this is the end result. This is a hostile takeover with guns, artillery and bombs.

Posted by: really | Jul 31 2014 18:31 utc | 86

We've almost come full circle now

Zio-Nazis gassing Palestinians in Concentration Camp Gaza

Dozens of Palestinians, including children, suffered from suffocation on Thursday due to inhaling what is being described as a "strange toxic gas" launched by the Israeli army during its ground incursion in the north and south of the Gaza Strip, Anadolu news agency reported.

Anadolu quoted Dr. Ashraf Al-Qidra, a spokesperson for the Health Ministry in Gaza, as saying that: "Dozens of Palestinians, including children, arrived at hospitals suffering from suffocation after inhaling a white poisonous gas fired by the Israeli army in the northern Gaza Strip and in the Shawkah neighbourhood near Rafah, to the south."

Al-Qidra urged the Palestinians in Gaza "not to panic when they inhale the strange gas, to protect themselves using tarpaulin coats or nylon clothes and to cover the doors, windows and vents with a moist cloth to prevent air from leaking inside."

Posted by: Priceless | Jul 31 2014 18:42 utc | 87


Posted by: Priceless | Jul 31, 2014 2:42:45 PM | 87

toxic gax, concentration camp, slaughter of civilians..we are seeing how resolved the former allies of WW2 are in supporting the nazis descendents...are they being paid enough?
make that story go viral

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 21:32 utc | 88

the zionists very own FINAL SOLUTION may be at hand

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 21:33 utc | 89

so far the useless UN has madae no resolution on a NO FLY zone over gaza....whereas it had no trouble endorsing one for libya, where no such aerial slaughter took place

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 21:34 utc | 90

#Gaza death toll surpasses that of Cast Lead as count hits 1,422 http://bit.ly/WPFMMt

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 22:26 utc | 91

"...The predicament of the Palestinian in Gaza is that their fate is tied up with cynical power political calculations and energy geopolitics. One reason there have been calls for Blair to be removed as Special Envoy is that he is regarded as too close to the Israeli-Egyptian alliance at the expense of Turkey and Qatar The outlook for Gaza is bleak.  Israel has every interest in intensifying the blockade of Gaza from land, air and sea the better to crush Hamas and exploit the Gaza Marine gas reserves as soon as possible  so as to increase its bargaining position in the region The exploitation of the Levant Basin has run up against certain problems as well as squabbles with other Eastern Mediterranean powers. With a looming 'energy crunch' forecast for 2015 Israel is determined to secure the Gaza Marine reserves as a 'stop gap' without needing to pay the market price These energy interests and geopolitical factors explain why both sides have become instransigent and why this conflict between Israel and Hamas could be the most lethal and bloody one yet , ..."


http://windowintopalestine.blogspot.com/2014/07/war-on-gaza-associated-with-discovery.html?m=1

Posted by: really | Jul 31 2014 23:04 utc | 92


'A day after journalist, writer, and frequent MSNBC contributor Rula Jebreal harshly criticized that very cable news network during a broadcast of "Ronan Farrow Daily" for its biased and deferential pro-Israel coverage of the current military assault on Gaza, she appeared on "All In with Chris Hayes" to further discuss the matter.

The evidence of anti-Palestinian bias in the mainstream media - including cable news networks - is beyond question, as numerous studies and analyses have shown. A common refrain - heard again last night in Hayes' attempt to defend his employer's coverage of the ongoing Israeli massacre of Palestinians - is that Israeli government officials are more accessible than officials from Palestinian groups. But this claim rests on the assumption that allowing politicians and their spokespeople to repeat honed talking points is the same thing as journalism.
etc
http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2014/07/jebreal-palestine-truth-msnbc-bias.html


Is Rula Jebreal right about US Media Bias against Palestinians?

http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/jebreal-against-palestinians.html

Posted by: brian | Jul 31 2014 23:04 utc | 93

92

Riiiiight

Cos 'tweren't fer the gas, the zionazis would never even dream of attacking gaza.

Posted by: Priceless | Aug 1 2014 0:02 utc | 94

The stupid palestinians have accepted
Ceasfire without get anything in return.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2014 0:20 utc | 95

Interesting pushback even from the NYTIMES:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/01/world/middleeast/tensions-escalate-between-israel-and-united-nations-in-gaza-strip.html?_r=0

Ron Prosor: "I had problems hearing ‘Hamas’ in any briefings from the secretary general downward"

Followed immediately by the NYTimes reporter shafting Prosor by noting that: "(Ms. Amos did mention Hamas in her briefing to the Council, saying, “Under international humanitarian law, the government of Israel, Hamas and other militant groups must distinguish between military objectives and civilian objects and between combatants and civilians.”)"

The article then proceeded to shred Prosor's slander of the United Nations point by point. Indeed, it made a big show of flushing them down the toilet.

I can't actually remember the last time the NYTimes treated Israeli propaganda in such a way; it verged on contempt.

Posted by: Johnboy | Aug 1 2014 5:09 utc | 96

Israel's moral defeat will haunt us for years By Amira Hass haaretz Published 14:31 28.07.14
(Nuzzel)
...
If victory is measured in the number of families wiped out within two weeks – parents and children, one parent and a few children, a grandmother and daughters in law and grandchildren and son, brothers and their children, in all the variations you might choose – then we also have the upper hand. Here, names from memory: Al-Najjar, Karaw’a, Abu-Jam’e, Ghannem, Qannan, Hamad, A-Salim, Al Astal, Al Hallaq, Sheikh Khalil, Al Kilani. In these families, the few members who survived the Israeli bombings in the past two weeks are now jealous of their dead.

And let’s not forget the laurel wreaths for our legal experts, those without whom the IDF does not make a move. Due to them, blowing up an entire house – whether empty or filled with residents – is easily justified if Israel characterizes one of the family members as an appropriate target (be he senior or junior Hamas member, military or political, brother or family guest).

“If it is legal according to international law,” a Western diplomat told me, shocked by his own state’s position in support of Israel, “it is a sign that something stinks in international law.”

And another bouquet of flowers for our advisers, the graduates of the exclusive law schools in Israel and the United States, and maybe also in England: They are certainly the ones advising the IDF why it is permissible to fire at Palestinian rescue teams and prevent them from getting to the wounded. Seven members of medical teams on their way to rescue the injured were shot to death by the IDF during two weeks, the last two only last Friday. Another 16 have been wounded. This doesn’t include the cases is which IDF firing prevented crews from driving to the disaster scene.

You will surely recite what the army says: “Terrorists are hiding in the ambulances” – since Palestinians do not really want to save their wounded, they don’t really want to prevent them from bleeding to death under the ruins, isn’t this what you are thinking? Does our acclaimed intelligence, which did not discover during all these years the network of tunnels, know in real time that in every ambulance that was hit directly with IDF fire, or whose trip to save an injured person was blocked, there are really armed Palestinians inside? And why is it permissible to save a wounded soldier at the cost of shelling an entire neighborhood, but it is not allowed to save an elderly Palestinian buried under the rubble? Why is it forbidden to save an armed man, or more correctly a Palestinian fighter, who was wounded while repulsing a foreign army that invaded his neighborhood?
...

Posted by: c | Aug 1 2014 8:11 utc | 97

Stupid palestinians accepted ceasefire and just got bombed back.
BDS is the only way since west accept the genocide of palestinians.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 1 2014 10:39 utc | 98

Responsibility to Protect*

* Everyone except Palestinians

Posted by: Samantha Power | Aug 1 2014 11:22 utc | 99

@99 Looks like the US is putting that into writing. Disgusting.

US Bill Seeks to Exonerate Israel of War Crimes
https://petergarciawebb.com/peter-garcia-webb/2014-08-01/us-bill-seeks-exonerate-israel-war-crimes

Posted by: really | Aug 1 2014 11:44 utc | 100

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