Unveiling "Western" Hypocrisy Russia Connects Syria And Ukraine
A few days ago we read this:
Australia, Luxembourg, and Jordan are planning to circulate a new U.N. Security Council resolution that diplomats say would authorize the delivery of humanitarian aid into Syria through four border crossings without approval from President Bashar Assad's government.
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Diplomats familiar with the draft said it is under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, which means it could be enforced militarily. It would authorize humanitarian access at three crossings from Turkey and one from Iraq.
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Some diplomats doubt Russia would approve a new humanitarian resolution under Chapter 7, but they say it could be a bargaining chip in negotiations.
That "bargaining chip" is worth nothing. Russia will veto any Chapter 7 resolution on Syria. There is nothing to bargain about that. But using that "bargaining chip" is now firing back.
For June Russia will be take up the presidency of the UN Security Council which allows it, to a certain extend, to set the agenda. The first point on that agenda is now the question of "human corridors" from Russia into east-Ukraine:
Russia will submit a draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Monday calling for an immediate end to worsening violence in Ukraine and the creation of humanitarian corridors in the east of the country, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.
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[The draft resolution] will also include "a demand for the creation, without delay, of humanitarian corridors though which peaceful civilians could leave combat zones if they wish," he said. The text would also call for guarantees of unhindered access for humanitarian aid.
"Now how about a Chapter 7 clause for that?" Lavrov will ask his colleagues.
Russia is actively linking the cases of Syria and Ukraine. That may not bring any progress on either issue. But by connecting the cases Russia can publicly demonstrated the utter hypocrisy of "western" policies. The target of this is the "western" public which is already against further "western" meddling in Syria as well as in Ukraine. I expect more such political "mirroring" of the two situations in the coming weeks and month.
This morning the Kiev regime sent jets and bombed the regional administration building in Luhansk which had been taken over by federalists. At least five people were killed. This is another escalation by Kiev and the puppet players behind the regime with the larger intend to openly draw Russia into a fight with NATO. Moscow will not fall for the bait.
Posted by b on June 2, 2014 at 16:09 UTC | Permalink
next page »how much of todays activity in eastern ukraine is prior to poroshenko actually taking over, or a last gasp of these fascists in power in kiev at present? or is this the new norm?
The activity in eastern Ukraine is what Washington has ordered it to be. Attack whoever dislikes what is happening in Kiev and hope to thereby lure Russia into a fight. It is not going to work. The economic downfall will be much faster than any developments in the East.
But by connecting the cases Russia can publicly demonstrated the utter hypocrisy of "western" policies.
Fair enough. There's plenty of "western policy" hypocrisy to go around, and perhaps concomitantly, Russia can demonstrate the utter hypocrisy of its "eastern policies." Oh wait, they already are if anyone cares too look. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jun 2 2014 17:08 utc | 3
b
Wasnt this a bad example?
Arent Russia a hypocrite then too since they refuse human corridors in Syria?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2 2014 17:08 utc | 4
The festival of hypocrisy just keeps on growing.
As well as the contrast between Syria ('humanitarian' relief is good) and Ukraine (where it is not good) there is the contrast between Libya, where rumours inflated into lies of a potential air attack on Benghazi required a No Fly zone allowing NATO to bomb the government forces at will and the current situation in Ukraine where crimes that Ghadaffi's worst enemies never dreamed of are being committed daily.
By, as b points out, agents of the White House, bent not only on provoking Russia but on undermining the EU economy and opening up the continent to US fracking and oil shale companies.
Altogether a perfect time for Germany's Greens to contemplate the consequences of their opportunistic alliance with the US and NATO.
But maybe it is all part of the committee of wise men meeting in Beijing's master plan. As, no doubt, is this example of US imperialist idiocy:
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/02/hage-j02.html
Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2014 17:10 utc | 5
Meme alert: The Kremlin's propaganda is discredited by election results.
From CIA World Fact book: Ukraine 2012 results by party:
Percent of vote by party - Party of Regions 30%, Batkivshchyna 25.5%, UDAR 14%, CPU 13.2%, Svoboda 10.4%, other parties 6.9%;
forbes: Ukraine Election Results Discredit Kremlin Propaganda
The supposed reservoirs of reactionary thinking in western Ukraine generated an embarrassing 1% of the vote for Oleh Tyagnibok of ultra-nationalist Svoboda Party and less than 1% for Dmitry Yarosh of the new Right Sector party that sprung up during the protests.
Since the use of the fascist thug militias by the Kiev government is never-to-be-mentioned, doesn't this poor showing instead -- more likely -- reflect disgust and/or disenchantment with Svoboda and their brutal behavior during and after the putsch? We know that 10% voted Svoboda in 2012 -- that's not disputed -- so 10% were sympathetic with them "then" (and 10% is nothing to sneeze at)... What explains that 8% loss? They might have boycotted (which would mean only that the election results did not reflect the population), but why would they have done so. They might have been prevented from voting by lack of polling places (unlikely, given their regions of dominance).
I don't know what explains it, but I thought their "nyah, nyah Putin's propaganda fail" needed just a hint of exploration.
It's very interesting though how the conflation of anti-Kiev with pro-Russian is repeated, along with the confusion/conflation of pro-Russian sentiments by Russian speaking, Russian encultured Eastern Ukrainians is conflated with separatists. And, still, pro-Russian, anti-separatist federationists are never figured into the math.
We have no way to gauge support for the "genuine" separatist militias versus the anti-Kiev self-defense militia. As always, lack of "support" for the militias (who bring violence to people's hometowns) again, does not necessarily reflect support (or lack of support) for the anti-Kiev federationist forces or feelings towards Russian and/or Putin ... by Russian-speaking eastern Ukranians. Peace-loving civilian populations tire of being under military threat very very quickly. I'm not sure what "end game" exists for the separatists, but it appears Kiev has given them no incentive to negotiate, much less surrender.
The CIA world fact book will be updated and the old percentages erased when the new results are entered -- it's annoying -- I wanted the old percentages memorialized.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2 2014 18:02 utc | 6
And what is the reason for this latest episode in glaring/blatant hypocrisy other than to keep us all busy pointing it out and/or despondent that even when we point out said hypocrisy NOTHING CHANGES?
Besides the obvious nonsense that came out of Obama's "exceptional" mouth recently, isn't it rather alarming that there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO expressed sentiment among the US war criminal elite that anything is going to change anytime soon?
Hypocritical?! I TOLD YOU WE WERE EXCEPTIONAL, BITCHES! What's not to understand?
I mean, certainly, some few in the US - and more elsewhere - view the US's actions/comments as hypocritical - even though IMO "hypocritical" doesn't quite have the same "oomph"/cachet as "war crimes" etc - but what does it matter? The US war criminals don't care if you think they are "hypocritical" especially if they are successful in the continued carrying out of their war of aggression. Future generations worldwide (if their plans come to fruition) - like current generations of Americans - will only know about Putler, Assadler, Saddamler, Qaddafler etc etc. and how the US defeated them all and how it was all necessary for freedom and some such nonsense.
In the minds of the psychotic Western elite, there is no alternative to thinking how they currently do and I don't mean that lightly.
Do people think that if someone could have just sat the leaders of the British Empire etc down and explained to them the unjustness of colonization that they would have stopped?
That all mankind needed to do to avoid the US Civil War was to rationally explain that slaves WEREN'T really subhuman animals?
What about the Native American genocide? Gee, if only we'd have had Rachel Maddow back then, right? Shucks.
Nope, for whatever reason and there are numerous reasons, the US war criminal elite and their Western minions have demonstrated time and time - exposed hypocrisy after exposed hypocrisy - that they are ALL IN in regards to their current trajectory. They have made their decisions.
Thus, we are not engaged in a polite debate with these war criminals where a fitting charge of "hypocrite!" is going to make them pause or stop what they are doing especially as TPTB have been very skillful in crafting/framing their obvious - and UNDEBATABLE - commissions of war crimes as the subject for polite debate and discussion.
No, we are witnessing the waging of a full-on war of aggression directed by people whom we should not treat as if they are bluffing and by bluffing I mean that TPTB really do rationally understand that they are being hypocritical/criminal and could chose NOT to engage in said actions/crimes if the just understood what was "right" and what was "wrong" as determined by certain bothersome - yet teensy weensy and non-powerful - segments of society.
TPTB have decided - and demonstrated time and again - to take events "around the bend" and until the people of the world begin to treat these actions like the madness it is there will be no change.
Just more and more and more hypocrisy until the meaning of that word - like others such as "freedom", "democracy" etc - is also lost to mankind.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 2 2014 18:09 utc | 7
@6 Considering that in 2012 votes were counted in both the SE and Crimea (8-10 million) 10% then is much more than 10% now, let alone 1%.
Posted by: Grim Deadman | Jun 2 2014 18:11 utc | 8
Notice the absence of the Phrase "All options are on the table" when the US threatens Russia and China. The indispensable and exceptional nation will be missing in action against the big boys, how can anyone take seriously the raving lies from Kerry and Obama? At long last Russia and China have caught on to what America's true intentions are, they were always next on the agenda after Syria,Lebanon and Iran.
The Leverettes have a good piece up at 'Going to Tehran' "Obama at West Point: Doubling Down on a failed Syria Policy. http://goingtotehran.com/obama-at-west-point-doubling-down-on-a-failed-syria-policy
Posted by: harry law | Jun 2 2014 18:18 utc | 9
Yesterday's episode of Russia Today made a very pointed reference to the West's contradictory interpretations of Humanitarianism in Syria and Ukraine where Obama and the Haig-soaked Hague woulda/shoulda been screaming blue murder over the putchist's slaughter of civilians - if they had a policy based on something more substantial than groupthink and doublespeak.
"At least five people were killed. This is another escalation by Kiev and the puppet players behind the regime with the larger intend to openly draw Russia into a fight with NATO. Moscow will not fall for the bait."
I think the Russians will fall for it - if their demands for free passage of civilians from the conflict are not heeded. Russia can impose a watertight no-fly zone over all of Ukraine if necessary and there is nothing Obama or Wussmussen's NATO clowns and girlie-boys can do about it. This will be an interesting test of whether the West (with absolutely no balls at all) is prepared to risk military humiliation just to defend a load of bollocks from a gang of loud mouthed donkeys.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 2 2014 18:21 utc | 10
good find, thanks! that "Australia, Luxembourg, and Jordan are planning to circulate a new U.N. Security Council resolution" went largely unnoticed, it seems. With this pre-emptive russian proposal they're having our mainstram news agency deliver all the arguments against such a resolution.
Posted by: peter radiator | Jun 2 2014 18:23 utc | 11
@8: Considering that in 2012 votes were counted in both the SE and Crimea (8-10 million) 10% then is much more than 10% now, let alone 1%.
Crimea, Donestsk, and Luhansk all had very very low support for Svoboda in 2012 (so the loss of those votes, I think probably would have had almost no effect on the national percentages). (see map)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Svoboda-2012.png
Crimea,
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2 2014 18:29 utc | 12
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2, 2014 2:02:19 PM | 6
There is nothing mysterious about the election results. 10.4% Svoboda got in 2012 was from a parliamentary election. In 2010 presidential election, Svoboda's candidate, Tyahnybok, got 1.43% of the votes. I guess, in presidential election, they go with likely winners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleh_Tyahnybok
Tyahnybok was a candidate for President of Ukraine in the 2010 presidential election for the All-Ukrainian Union "Freedom" party. He received 352,282 votes, or 1.43% of the total.
What is more interesting is this.
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
Monday, May 16, 14:27 GMT:
The leader of the Svoboda (Freedom) parliamentary party and presidential candidate, Oleg Tyagnibok, have compared anti-government protesters in Donetsk to Maidan demonstrators, saying: “They want the same that Ukrainians at Maidan wanted during the Revolution of Dignity (EuroMaidan) – to be the masters of their land,” Ukrainian news agency reported.Tyagnibok stressed it is the new authorities’ “task” to give people in Donetsk and “across all of Ukraine” what they demand, which is “accountability of authorities, independence of the courts, protection of constitutional rights, security of life and property, freedom of enterprise and social justice.”
That is the most sensible statement coming from Kiev. It was something completely unexpected.
I have been thinking about this for a while. Then it occurred to me that the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi could be the biggest victim of a flag operation. Maybe Tyagnibok is really a reformed Neo-Nazi and wants to pursue a parliamentary path?
To think of it, all the guys driving the extreme measures to provoke the civil war are all Julia's gang, Avakov, Parubiy, Turchynov, and we haven't heard much about Tyagnibok. Also Parubiy left the party and joined the Julia's gang when Tyagnibok took over and changed the name from Social National party to Svoboda. Therefore when Svoboda party moved toward the center more extreme elements split and joined the Fatherland part and driving the most extreme right wing policy.
Actually who needs neo-Nazi when you have neocon? Is it possible that they are doing everything neo-Nazi might do but didn't and when it goes bad, going to sacrifice neo-Nazi as a fall guy?
Of course, it is a pure speculation. I don't know enough of the ins and outs of Ukrainian politics to make a judgement. But, if it is true, it would be a quite interesting plot.
Anyone can enlighten us on this matter?
Posted by: PuppetMaster | Jun 2 2014 18:33 utc | 13
hoarsewhisper
Hopefully they wont fall for it.
Nato, US and EU just wait for Russia to do this so they can take measure.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2 2014 18:33 utc | 14
@ PuppetMaster | Jun 2, 2014 2:33:45 PM | 13
Thanks interesting additional information -- however, that explanation also doesn't support the "meme" that all those fascists exist only in Putin propaganda ...
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2 2014 18:40 utc | 15
@12 Exactly, the subtraction of these populations must have increased the Svoboda vote, ceteris paribus, hence further supporting your conclusion.
Posted by: Grim Deadman | Jun 2 2014 18:43 utc | 16
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2, 2014 2:02:19 PM | 6
Posted by: Grim Deadman | Jun 2, 2014 2:11:00 PM | 8
Lyashko probably accounted for some of the loss to Svoboda. He is fascist and being investigated for acts of sexually molesting adolescent boys, so is basically the same thing as Svoboda and Pravi Sektor. The voting was also rigged, so it's likely the votes for the obvious nazis were lowered, and those for the "moderates" were raised to show the world the west's puppets in the Ukraine really are not nazis, but essentially "normal guys" like western politicos. It will be easier for the western liars club to sell their war crimes then.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 2 2014 18:44 utc | 17
Obama on his way to Europe To make his case for a possible next round of sanctions against Russia, President Obama will push the work of the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence-- a unit inside the Treasury Department comprising of sanctions architects and financial experts—at meetings with European leaders, The Wall Street Journal reports.
The official who runs the office, Undersecretary for Financial Intelligence David Cohen, is making his second trip to Europe in two months next week, as part of a campaign to promote the use of finance to target foreign adversaries.
"What we've done over the past 10 years is to create a new method if projecting American power" Cohen said in an interview with the journal "We do that in a way that is unique in the world". Somehow I don't think the Russians and Especially the Chinese will take that lying down.http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/06/02/365245/obamas-financial-weaponry-for-russia/
Posted by: harry law | Jun 2 2014 18:58 utc | 18
These are Strange Days. All the upheaval and conflict of the last century has come home to roost yet there are no protests.
Due to the Silent Mutiny by the troops in the Vietnam, the American Empire has had to rely on a volunteer army, airpower and drones to fight its colonial wars. None have worked so in a desperate last grasp to hold on to power, like the Roman Empire, it has hired Jihadists in Syria and Nazis in Ukraine to fight its wars. But, just like before, these vandals will turn on their paymasters and bring down the Empire.
Privatized jails, lack of jobs, and the surveillance state are doing their job to maintain the neo-liberal and neo-conservative rule. Only when the barbarians are at the Gates of Wall Street and the City of London will the wailing of humanity be broadcast across the globe.
Posted by: VietnamVet | Jun 2 2014 18:58 utc | 19
Nato, US and EU just wait for Russia to do this so they can take measure.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2, 2014 2:33:58 PM | 14
If you understood bullies, cowards and liars as well as I do, you'd KNOW that the West is in hollow rhetoric mode and they're all changing their underwear 4+ times per day. US NATO is an Old Dog and starting a hot war with an entity which can & will shoot back, with devastating effect, is a New Trick for the Indignant Big Girls Club.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 2 2014 19:04 utc | 20
It's trivial, I admit, but it's also shameless propagandizing to suggest that the fascist problem is all a figment of Putin propaganda at the same time that the Kiev administration is using the established groups as bully-boys and actively recruiting them into the "national guard." Yes, it makes the Ukraine more "worthy" of our concern and assistance, if there are no Nazis there.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2 2014 19:09 utc | 21
Susan @6:
The CIA factbook is archived at Countries of the World.
FWIW the results for the 2012 election were Party of Regions (Azarov) 30%, Batkivshchyna (Tymoshenko) 25.5%, UDAR (Klychko) 14%, CPU (Symonenko) 13.2%, Svoboda (Tyahnybok) 10.4%, other parties 6.9%;
Presidential elections Yanukovich 48.9%, Tymoshenko 45.5%, other 5.6%
Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 2 2014 19:13 utc | 22
hoarsewhisper
Russia sure know bullies, Russia is playing smart. Russian intervention would mean US, NATO/EU dreams comes true.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2 2014 19:14 utc | 23
The obvious thing Russia should do is 'unofficially' to supply ground-to-air antiaircraft weapons to the federalists. That would turn the tide in their favor, no need for a 'no fly zone'.
Sometimes the xenophobic parties have something good to say
Le Pen: EU to blame for the crisis in ukraine
http://rt.com/news/162888-marine-pen-us-europe/
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2 2014 19:51 utc | 25
Thierry Meyssan sums up the dilemna facing that old has-been/coulda-been known as US-NATO.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184056.html
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 2 2014 19:59 utc | 26
@24 My understanding from a somewhat similar discussion at MoA last summer with respect to missiles to protect Syria's air space is that the systems require highly trained personnel to operate, which implies Russian feet on the ground. Between that and a standard R2P no-fly zone there seems no real difference with respect to the degree of Russian involvement. I believe they can get away with R2P to protect the evacuation of civilians, and the threat that they might should have a powerful effect in restraining the Kiev propensity to commit atrocities.
Posted by: Knut | Jun 2 2014 20:08 utc | 28
Not anti-Russian newly elected EU MPs should read/watch this (except for Farrage, who's Israeli firster - see Aangirfan - willing to ally with another plant/agent Grillo - see Tarpley): "The Truthseeker: U.S. plans 'first strike' on Russia" (SOTT)
RT: US revives plans for a nuclear first strike on Russia. Coming up.Announcer: "Soft assassinations" of anti-NATO leaders.
Star Wars tested for Eastern Europe.
And US space weapons quote an "unofficial declaration of war."
RT: Secret clauses of NATO membership state, the US can and will depose Europe's governments on the orders of the White House.
Giuseppe De Lutiis, NATO author: Even if the electorate were to show a different inclination, secret protocols guarantee alignment by any means.
RT: "By any means" means exactly that. Early NATO whistleblower Hans Otto exposed '"kill lists" of leading European politicians that defied investigators' belief, but were subsequently confirmed by police.
Officers found 15 pages of members of the German Communist Party to be assassinated, and 80 pages on Germany's Social Democrats, one of the two major parties in the country.
The documents state these assassinations would take place "in case of X". X may refer, writes NATO scholar Dr. Daniele Ganser, to mass protests against a US-backed government, or an election victory of a genuinely left-wing party.
Instructions for such operations were kept at NATO military headquarters south of Brussels.
Der Spiegel reveals a quote "a strictly secured wing of the building. A grey, steel bank vault door prohibits trespassing to the unauthorized." Papers on NATO operations in Europe are marked "American eyes only."
When the EU Parliament officially demanded NATO stop these operations, which have become known by the codename Gladio, the US simply ignored it.
Richard Cottrell is a former Member of the European Parliament. NATO tried to ban his investigation Gladio, NATO's Dagger at the Heart of Europe, which reports both so-called "soft assassinations" - smearing non-aligned EU politicians through mainstream media to make them unelectable - and real assassinations of politicians that still got elected.
Richard joins us, really great to see you, what's going on?
Richard Cottrell, author of Gladio, NATO's Dagger at the Heart of Europe: The United States is not prepared to tolerate governments which are unfavorable to the regime. Let's give the example of Syriza in Greece at the moment, which has just won, come top of the list in the European elections. This is an example of a government which is not going to be tolerated by the United States of America.
RT: You write a prototype "soft assassination", British Prime Minister Harold Wilson, whose "blasphemy in American eyes" was to "flirt with nuclear disarmament".
Cottrell: Yes, it's become a little bit more difficult to, shall we say, use violent means, than it was in the past. So now you're going to see more of the Harold Wilson tactics. And they will now increase and I will tell you why - because this weekend the European elections were held. And this has resulted in a very large bloc of anti-Europeans, led by the "Penista", the National Front of France, which has come out on top in the European elections. Nigel Farage, leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party in the UK, who has come from virtually nowhere to become the leader of the third largest party. This will not be allowed to happen, so there will have to be Harold Wilson-type moves now to remove those leaderships, and those parties in those various countries.
BTW I am having some problems posting links here, any advice?
Posted by: PP4ever | Jun 2 2014 23:13 utc | 30
PP4ever@29
The remainder of that transcript is very interesting. The show is called The Truthseeker, and this segment is about the US Empire's plans to conduct a nuclear first strike at Russia and China in 2016.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 3 2014 0:19 utc | 31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05m9gLftj5M&index=3&list=PLmyeYXPoJZYpoojX_GF19WF7BJ2IdAgED
what happened is a Ukrainian SU-25 put a volley into the central city park, shredding five women and two men, all civilians.
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video of series of 6 explosions at 8 seconds from the middle of the screen behind the trees by the flagpole in the park & past the street as the jet strafes by
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-flqW3g5Zk4
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Photos of the rocket pieces, markings can be read - aircraft unguided rocket S8-KOM
(http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-8)
http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/1/4/7/3344741.jpg
http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/2/4/7/3344742.jpg
http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/5/4/7/3344745.jpg
Video of the plane firing -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3wBXkR0rJ0
6-8 craters from an airplane volley -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM2uG9evNlo
Multiple explosions when the volley lands -
http://f6.s.qip.ru/fTUvrjjy.gif
Kiev is blatantly lying about a "off-course MANPAD" as usual.
Posted by: www.MythFighter.com | Jun 3 2014 0:38 utc | 32
Russia should support the Ukraine insurgency to the same extent that NATO is supporting Syrian rebels. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Posted by: Andoheb | Jun 3 2014 0:38 utc | 33
Well, from the Guardian,
Ukraine's president-elect, Petro Poroshenko, who will meet Barack Obama in Warsaw on Wednesday, has vowed to extinguish the rebellion using military means.His government says Russia is secretly sending armed men across the border, including volunteers from Chechnya. The Kremlin – which denies involvement and has called for peace talks – is using its intelligence agencies to coordinate the anti-Kiev insurgency, Poroshenko says.
The US treasury secretary, Jacob Lew, said Washington was prepared to push for tougher economic sanctions against Russia at a G7 summit in Brussels on Thursday. Moscow was still trying to destabilise its western neighbour, Lew said. "There is evidence that Russia continues to allow the free flow of weapons, funds and fighters across its borders and president Putin's next steps are still not clear."
There is appears to be absolutely no provision for the separatists, much those fighting self-defense fighters, to negotiate or even any promise that they will survive if they surrender. Additionally, Kiev has refused to allow evacuation of women, children, etc, from the towns under siege.
Grim. Guardian.
Here in the United States, many people believe Putin has been aiding "the insurgency" all along because, y'know, he's Putin, our enemy.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 3 2014 0:53 utc | 34
Slavyansk.
Strelkov:
Through the night, enemy’s heavy howitzers bombarded the city including downtown. Few apartment buildings damaged, fortunately, without casualties.
Question: Some ask of possibility to transfer to Donetsk, Lugansk, to enhance formations there.
Strelkov:
When becomes appropriate. Think, Slavyansk is of most need. Additionally, to subordinate “feudal raiders”, comparable force is must, impossible to draw from the front.
Question: That anti-aircraft means are available does not deter Ukrainian aviation.
Strelkov:
You might think shooting a plane or helicopter down is achievable at any distance and relatively easy. Launch a rocked – it is down. Too bad, it is not the case. Having an aircraft destroyed is long and tedious job, exercising and patience. All these is apparently missing. True, “never Moscow was built at once”. Takes time. Do not forget, there, the combatants are not trained specialists.
Posted by: Fete | Jun 3 2014 2:45 utc | 35
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 2, 2014 8:53:36 PM | 33
The Guardian and those it represents, along with those who promote it, are our enemy. That should be fairly obvious by now.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 3 2014 4:08 utc | 36
Here is video of the aftermath of the attack on the Administration Building in Lugansk. Stomach-churning, I warn you. It is literally unbelievable that the west continues to support the maniacs in Kiev; perhaps they feel that the compounded war crimes now are so severe that it's best just to press on and kill everyone.
The idea that the damage was caused by a MANPADS launch that somehow acquired the building is just fumbling for an explanation: MANPADS are LOBL (Lock On Before Launch). The operator would have had to acquire the building as a target by mistake, thinking it was an aircraft. As if. And air conditioners do not operate in the same micron band as the seeker, either. Why would anyone be firing a MANPADS from inside a room, out a window? The exhaust would burn a hole in the opposite wall. Yet Kiev's story is that one of the "terrorists" fired a missile out a window and it blew up, or that it was fired at an aircraft and accidentally acquired the air conditioner next to the room where the explosion occurred. Insulting, it's such a lame explanation.
There has to be a point at which western governments who purport to be all about freedom and democracy - and there are no more inalienable human rights than the right to life and self-determination - will no longer support this gang of murderers. There has to be a point at which the lies are so blatant that it is clear their authors know they will be allowed to get away with anything, and when you get to that point, who is really calling the tune, anyway?
Posted by: Mark | Jun 3, 2014 1:09:32 AM | 36
No, Mark, there is no such point.
We can do as much as possible on social media and in the f#@king Guardian's comment sections, but when the imperialists are this determined and have such an ever stronger grip on the main means of propaganda, the inevitable way you have to deal with aggressive and total war is militarily.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14a_1401735495
AR CRIME CAUGHT ON TAPE, Gaddafi was toppled for much less than this when they claimed his aircraft were bombing innocents in Benghazi Posted 10 hours ago By VladGoneBonkerz
Meanwhile west is COMPLETLY SILENT!
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 3 2014 8:29 utc | 39
Gee I dont wanna know the ugly justifications the west will use this time...
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 3 2014 8:40 utc | 40
@4 "Aren't Russia a hypocrite then too since they refuse human corridors in Syria?"
Oh, fer' cryin' out loud. Think about it.
No, really, give it some thought.
If Russia gets their proposal in first then "the West" has to loudly decry it i.e. "the West" has to pillory the very notion of UNSC Chapter VII Resolutions authorizing "military humanitarian corridors", and they will have to announce that they will have no part in such a proposal.
At which point the Australia/Luxemberg/Jordan draft resolution is dead in the water, because "the West" can't say *that* about The Ukrainian Proposal and then say the *opposite* regarding The Syria Proposal.
Get it?
Russia won't need to show any "hypocrisy" at all, because The Syria Proposal will be dead 'n' buried, and it will be the actions of "the West" that killed it.
Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 3 2014 9:49 utc | 41
Johnnyboy
West have put forward similar proposal before the ukraine crisis.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 3 2014 10:16 utc | 42
obama start cold war again by giving eastern europe 1 billion dollars to their military
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-06-03/#63104
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 3 2014 10:31 utc | 43
@ 40 johnnyboy: of course they can say both and do a third thing, they haven't been doing anything else as of late. Why do you think it would be otherwise regarding Chapter 7? They'll just say it's "freedom fighters" in Syria while it's "evil russia-supported separatists" in Ukraine and the MSM will parrot it 24/7, done.
Posted by: T2015 | Jun 3 2014 10:54 utc | 44
Atrocities in Ukraine still small scale compared to Syria. Rebel rocket fire killed another 50 people today.
Posted by: Andoheb | Jun 3 2014 11:16 utc | 45
rusvesna
rusvesna states that rate of violence increased twice as fast as compared to syria, which makes sense, since the democratic liberal liver eaters didnt have an army infrastructure in place. but it still gives one an inkling about the barbarism set loose in what many consider part of europe.
on a personal note: the lugansk "incident" and the reaction in german/european media made me officially a stranger in a strange land. this is not my home anymore, not my europe. i want to go home ...
Posted by: svd | Jun 3 2014 11:46 utc | 46
@41 "West have put forward similar proposal before the ukraine crisis."
Oh, please, give it a rest.
The West runs all sorts of crazy notions up the flagpole. It's part of their preposterous posturing, and done more often than not for no other reason than to point the finger at shame at This Weeks Object Of Scorn.
But however much they may pose and posture they won't be able to put this draft resolution up for a **vote** if the Russians table their proposal first.
And if they can't put their proposal up for a **vote** then the Russians don't have to veto it, and that means that the "the West" can't pillory them.
Honestly, some people don't seem to grasp the simple notion that the United Nations isn't a legislature, it isn't a court: it is a political organization, and what we are seeing here is "politics".
Posted by: Johnboy | Jun 3 2014 12:05 utc | 47
Chinese military leaders aren't happy, and they aren't being shy about it. At the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, for example:
Lt Gen Wang Guanzhong, deputy chief of general staff of the PLA, in response to Hagel's talk, said it was: "full of hegemony, full of words of threat and intimidation" and part of "a provocative challenge against China".
Major General Zhu Chenghu: "The Americans are making very, very important strategic mistakes right now ... If you take China as an enemy, China will absolutely become the enemy of the US." and he also pointed out Hagel's hypocrisy: "Whatever the Chinese do is illegal, and whatever the Americans do is right."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-030614.html
I think China is going to be the bad cop, Russia is more the diplomatic cop, and both are the sane, realistic cops. I'll bet by the end of this year, U.S. "leaders" will either dial it way down or find they've painted themselves into a corner from which they can't escape.
As Pepe wrote, "...both Hagel and Kerry - who know next to nothing about the complexities of Asia - are clearly panicking." Obama's "Asia Pivot" boils down to those two yoyo's panicking in Singapore
Posted by: madisolation | Jun 3 2014 12:10 utc | 48
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Don't worry, be happy! Obama will suck $-200B out of the US economy trying to crush coal (which is just sent to China to burn anyway) to pimp frack gas (which astute observers point out will be virtually played out by 2020) and crack-spread the KXL pipeline (as Alberta's new projects are being cancelled as it approaches 'tits up'). That $-200B is based on the $-35B loss Aussie's experience with a Carbon Tax, odd, that Obama never mentioned actual hard data! No, my friends, we are going to see a New Garden of Eden, and $100Bs in New Green Jobs!!
Meanwhile Johnny still can't read, and Common Core is morally and educationally bankrupt industrial production, being fought tooth-and-nail by salary-and-pension teachers' unions, and Johnny and Jill couldn't care less anyway, they're busy twittering and twerking, no sense looking for work as the Obama Carbon Tax spikes gasoline, groceries and utilities 18%, and that's not my estimate, that's their own! They don't see it as a problem!!
I wonder if WADC-NOVA will seal the humanitarian corridors with Canada, then go door to door and dragoon all the eldest sons and daughters for MIC and The Chosen's strip clubs? We're right on the bleeding edge of an event-horizon, and Big CIA/State keeps pushing on.
"You can't HANDLE the gago!" Good Queen Hillary
Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 3 2014 12:18 utc | 49
Images of the aftermath of the bombing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05m9gLftj5M
Posted by: -yan | Jun 3 2014 12:22 utc | 50
Funny how all the human rights groups are ALL SILENT now when ukraine is massacre its people!
svd
I fully agree, this is disgusting, but europe/west have been going down the last 10-15 years.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 3 2014 12:23 utc | 51
More hypocrisy: Turkey's panic U-turn.
Al Nusrah that Turkey vehemently defended as 'freedom fighters' and that are funded by Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are now in the "terror list"
Turkey places Syria jihadists on terror listhttp://www.news24.com/World/News/Turkey-places-Syria-jihadists-on-terror-list-20140603
Posted by: virgile | Jun 3 2014 12:27 utc | 52
The US is still looking for ways to militarily attack Syria.
Obama is trying harder to keep the CIA-generated rump regime in Ukraine afloat.
Same old same old. What else is there to expect from the Bush-Obama administration?
Arnold Lockshin, political exile from the US living in Moscow
Posted by: Arnold Lockshin | Jun 3 2014 12:28 utc | 53
@50 now i do not think that is correct, there was nowhere to go down to, i was just asleep.
Posted by: svd | Jun 3 2014 13:19 utc | 54
More hypocrisy by the west:
NATO: Allies Never Recognize Outcome of Syria Vote
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140603/190322283/NATOs-Rasmussen-Says-Allies-Never-Recognize-Outcome-of-Syria.html
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 3 2014 13:21 utc | 55
Will someone spell out exactly who runs American foreign policy?(And a lot of domestic)Z-I-O-N-I-S-T-S.
19;The barbarians are those within the gates.
Stuperman at the Graun commented today;All those dead compatriots buried in Siberia.Now whom could that be?Uh,let our people go,ooh.Freakin Zionist wacko historical emnity writ large,and almost a universal Zionist mantra.
Why do we let these brain injured wackos rule US?They dislike US,as much as they dislike the Russians,Germans,British,Arabs,Persians,and even Ukrainians,as they manipulate in search of power and Mammon.Our dead are just collateral in their schemes of divide and conquer.
One note,I know,but what can I say,when it's the note that binds US in thrall.
Posted by: dahoit | Jun 3 2014 13:56 utc | 56
Luhansk administrative-building air-strike attack.
Here 2 mins RT with the faces of the victims and gore blurred out.
One of the ppl killed was Elena Ponoramenko, the person in charge of Public Health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05m9gLftj5M
Here 21 secs that RT did not show (afaik) WARNING gore, age restricted. Yes I am 100% certain same place same occasion, there are _many_ videos from different angles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05m9gLftj5M
(all pix are real)
RT, ITAR-TASS reported.
Some EU lang. bloggers, low level, feeds took it up. Notably, Liveleaks and zero hedge, who were then quoted by others (bloggers in the main.) Rense quoted RT (the better account/s)
Almost no MSM took it up, here a rare ex. from ABC news, a mess,
Articles like this one are all based on ONE article from Ria Novosti,
http://tinyurl.com/n96v4tc dated 2 june.
which is very confused, and mixes up all kinds of stuff, etc. and found it’s way to some bloggers (saker for ex.)
I spent 3 hours looking at this stuff, an absolute scandal, if only because sources are never quoted.
The MSM who glancingly mention air attack on the Luhansk admin. building jiggle it up with other events occurring at roughly the same time. They meld it in, tag it on, and the few who mention it concentrate on ‘explosions’, ‘blasts’, ‘fire’ (none of which took place besides maybe a little smoke from smoldering whatever, all are based on the first sketchy article from R. N.) and go on to ‘100 separatists attacked a border station.‘
The MSM just operates with news snippets of any kind that are recycled back and forth and never checked or discussed. (US MSM also expect locals to ‘feed’ them, the pay can be quite handsome..that is another story...) Not flash news, sure, but this ex. is particularly excruciating imho.
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3 2014 15:16 utc | 57
@ Noirette | Jun 3, 2014 11:16:18 AM | 55
yes, the MSM seem very confident that that their version of events will not be substantively contradicted (as we've seen for months now). Age-old question, is it laziness, gullibility, cowardice or a matter of actually currying favor by simply obediently incuriously regurgitating the party line. The near-total news black-out should have raised eyebrows. The reported mounting civilian death toll at the hands of the government probably should remind some people of Syria. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak of no evil. Most interesting, possibly, is China's willingness to step into the fray, since they are generally shy to do so. If Actions Speak Louder Than Words, Pepe Escobar's A-Times article makes the growing weakness of the U.S.'s position fairly explicit. All those countries we told to shun Putin, went to St. Petersberg anyway.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 3 2014 15:27 utc | 58
Susan, the MSM is owned by giant corps, and they're stakeholders in Militarizing Class Warfare, ie, part and parcel of the neocon-neoliberal nexus. They are devoted to neoliberal globalization, simple as that. The neocons, as Pepe says, provide the rational for war, the MSM give them an audience, and US pols take us down exactly that path.
Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 3 2014 17:01 utc | 59
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 3, 2014 11:16:18 AM | 55
YOU GOT THE URL WRONG!!!! Please take this down as it leads to the unblurred version!!! I have no desire to see the unfortunate innocents with missing limbs etc. Have you no compassion?
Posted by: William Bowles | Jun 3 2014 17:29 utc | 60
gee, okie farmer, I had no idea not a fucking clue ... thank you so much for removing the scales from my eyes ... how blind and stupid I have been ... I'm done here.
Posted by: Susan Sunflower | Jun 3 2014 18:11 utc | 61
Samir Amin has a very interesting Review in the current Monthly Review.
http://monthlyreview.org/2014/06/01/popular-movements-toward-socialism
My condolences to Okie Farmer. The roots of conformity run very deep in a society in which people take offense because they agree with each other-as Susan Sunflower would appear to be doing.
Those with whom we, and Susan Sunflower and Okie Farmer, disagree, those who run the scams and rule the nations, are able to do so, secure in the knowledge that they need have no fear of us: long before we reach the battlefield we invariably tear one another to pieces.
What a waste of mental energy all this preening and abuse is. And what a pity that it is not employed on more useful work, such as that in which Amin is engaged, not the repetition of slogans and the regurgitation of received opinion but the constant re-examination of ideas in the light of events.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 3 2014 19:59 utc | 63
Obama says the election in Syria is a 'disgrace' or a 'farce'
The only clowns of that farce are Obama, Cameron and Hollande who predicted 3 years ago that Bashar al Assad's days as a leader of Syria were counted. They did not mention that the number of days would be more than a few thousands!
No wonder the MSM is trying to find all kinds of reasons why millions of Syrians all over the world have been trusting the Syrian government and went to vote.
The silliest of all the clown is Jarba, the Saudi stooge, who repeatedly promised a 'transitional government' under the applauds of France, the UK and the USA.
If ridicule would killed, the leaders of the pathetic "Friends of Syria" gang of 11 would be all dead
Posted by: Virgile | Jun 3 2014 20:40 utc | 64
RE:Posted by: bevin | Jun 3, 2014 3:59:48 PM | 63
When MR/Susie Day smeared Gilad Atzmon with this duplicitous zionist shunning petition:
"Atzmon's statements, besides distorting the history of Jews and constituting a brazen justification for centuries of anti-Jewish behavior and beliefs, also downgrade anti-Zionism to a mere front in the broader (anti-Jewish) struggle. Atzmon has specifically described Zionism not as a form of colonialism or settlerism, but as a uniquely evil ideology unlike anything else in human history. In addition to any ethical problems, this line of argumentation actually strengthens Zionism's grip and claim to be the authentic representative of Jews. It obscures the reality that Zionism is an imperialist and colonialist enemy of Jewish people and Palestinians, as well as the Arab people generally and all those oppressed and exploited by imperialism."
They not only showed they are part of Israel's smearing factory, they showed their "leftism" is little more than a cover for the marketing of zionist bias and ultimately a betrayal of the left to the capitalist western establishment elements in the west which zionism needs to continue to survive. MR is actually a very good example of what killed the left in the west.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 3 2014 21:48 utc | 65
Well, both conflicts (Ukraine is not yet a civil war) are the product of western supported interventions (House of Saud in Syria's case, and Vikki Nuland in the case of the Ukraine)
Posted by: Matthew G. Saroff | Jun 3 2014 22:06 utc | 66
"Colonel Cassad" is the name of a blogger providing detailed, day to day information on the western fascist attack on the people of the Ukraine. This is part 3 of his report of what happened there today (parts 1 & 2 are listed at the top of the page).
The war on Ukraine 03.06 - Online-3!
These reports are added to as events unfold and are reported on. Each of these reports are followed by several pages of comments expanding the information. In Russian, the home page is here.
The attack yesterday on the admin building in Lugansk by a nazi junta Su-25 using a salvo of 80mm unguided rockets was a direct attempt to assassinate the Lugansk leadership of the kind the fascist west specializes in (USA and Israel, especially). They also attempted the same day to assassinate Pavel Gubarev by firing a RPG round at his office. Fortunately, nobody was there at the time, the assassin was likely CIA or Mossad, who are running the junta's terrorists. Today, the nazi junta announced they consider officially Oleg Tsarev a criminal. In other words fair game, and this in addition to the $1 million bounty put on him by Jewish-Israeli mafia oligarch Kolomoisky. The nazis burned down Tsarev's house a week or two ago and it is unsafe for him or his family anywhere in the Ukraine or Novarossiya.
The attack on Novorossiya has greatly expanded in the last 2-3 days. Strelkov has said "Grad" bombardment has been now used on a town near Staviansk. The attempts to assassinate the Novorossiyan leadership in coordination with the increased terrorist indiscriminate shelling and bombing of civilians and attacks by large units on town outskirts are well known western fascist war tactics. It's unclear whether this massive increase is a serious attempt to conquer the SE, or more of the provocation strategy to sucker the Russians into sending in troops to the Ukraine. So far the defenders have held on and given the fascists more than they've received. The fascists don't have the manpower for an occupation, even if they could manage to defeat the self defense forces, so I'm still thinking this latest push by the western fascists is an attempt to kill Novorossiya's leaders and further provoke Russia into intervening.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 3 2014 22:40 utc | 67
The grave of Yeltsin should be demolished. Was there ever such an enormous traitor in history? Who else - aside from Hitler, Mussolini, and that litter of sub-fascist dictators that worked for the US during the Cold War - brought such devastation to his own country? Pulverize that undeserved monument to dust and dispense of his remains in the nearest sewer.
Posted by: guest77 | Jun 4 2014 0:01 utc | 68
@65
I see: so Shamir Amin is part of a zionist smearing factory, one of those responsible for killing the left in the west.
And the evidence is what you present. You add entirely new dimensions to the word "jerk."
As to Amin's actual article, despite his guilt by association with people who don't like Gilad Atzmon, it is well worth reading. I advise grownups to follow the link given @63.
As is this:
http://libcom.org/files/NATOs_secret_armies.pdf
Posted by: bevin | Jun 4 2014 1:37 utc | 69
Posted by: bevin | Jun 3, 2014 9:37:31 PM | 68
"You add entirely new dimensions to the word "jerk."
Ah, shucks, sugarplum. I guess asking you for a blowjob is out of the question then? ;)
"As to Amin's actual article, despite his guilt by association with people who don't like Gilad Atzmon, it is well worth reading."
There are several problems with the MR smearing and attempt to "cherem" Atzmon out of public existence. First off, like you do when you smear somebody, bevin, they took things he wrote and said out of context, misrepresented what he wrote/said and simply lied about what he wrote/said and invented what meant out of perversity.
Second, and this point you will never get, bevin, there is a huge difference between disagreeing with someone's POV and trying to prevent them saying it and others from hearing it. The former being normal, the latter being totalitarian censorship. Most people would understand that, bevin, but, practicing such censorious behavior here regularly, and probably everywhere else you and your gang of "anti-zionist zionists" (Atzmon's term for you) phoney leftists spam, you see such actions as your God given right over the "untermenschen".
As for the Amin article, it's on point through most of it. But when he gets to this part, the article goes south:
"But this positive Russian "international policy" is bound to fail if it is not supported by the Russian people. And this support cannot be won on the exclusive basis of "nationalism," even a positive progressive -- not chauvinistic -- brand of "nationalism," a fortiori not by a "chauvinistic" Russian rhetoric. Fascism in Ukraine cannot be challenged by Russian fascism. The support can be won only if the internal economic and social policy pursued promotes the interests of the majority of the working people."
That and what follows is your basic lecture by somebody looking in from the outside who has little or no direct experience of the people he presumes to lecture. While such an "I'm here to show you ignorant plebes how it is done" attitude sits well with you, bevin, and your totalitarian, "father knows best", one size fits all, понты вычурные "I am God worship me" attitude, all it does is inflate the ego of the lecturer. Had Amin stopped right before that quoted paragraph, the article would have been a worthwhile endeavor, but he ruined it by his insulting, presumptuous lecturing at the end. It was quite clear to me the man is clueless about Russia and Russians and was just engaging in masturbating his own ego - very much like you consistently, bevin. It was probably reading that lecturing at the end that caused such a strong, positive reaction from you. ;)
(BTW, bevin, one of the few things Sorrentine writes that I find myself fully in agreement with, is his characterization of your defects. I think he has what makes you tick nailed to the floor.)
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 2:56 utc | 70
Slavyansk.
Strelkov:
People who died today in the ranks of combatants (all Donetsk natives) did not want to be heroes. Dead. And possibly would not be such if weapons and logistics, instructors and specialists had been enough, plus trivial rear.I had long been quite about “Russia’s help”. Because understand nuances of “big politics”, in which Slavyansk is a speckle on tablecloth of History, as well as colossal risks for Russia, would it assist military, and loads of other issues counted and uncounted.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS: WHY WAS IT POSSIBLE TO GAMBLE SAVING SOME DOZENS THOUSANDS OF RESPECTED OSETIN-KUDARS, HAVING THROWN A RESCUE IN A TRICE, WHEREAS “DRAGGING FEET” FOR MONTHS WITH SUCH URGENT HELP FOR RUSSIANS?? WHICH ARE MILLIONS HERE!!!
Hard to believe, Moscow regards several hundred barely armed volunteers to be all that required and enough. Would like to find a single bureaucrat of those “curating” South-East (there are such) in trenches of “Semenovka”.
At this instant, the people of “Red Liman”are being excecuted right on streets. In “Green Wedge”, they are abducted at best, shot dead for lack of local registration at worst. And this is after we combatants have retreated. Is this too little to intervene??? What is the corpse count to make decisions? Or do I have to evacuate people instead putting up the stiff resistance? My modest force can not do even that.
Alright, shooting, it is another attack.
Post this everywhere. Care no anymore.
Posted by: Fete | Jun 4 2014 3:13 utc | 71
@Fete #70:
We've been over this several times, and I think Strelkov understands it, too.
Russia is playing geopolitics. Russia needs to break the Atlanticist grip on Europe, and intervening militarily in what's left of the Ukraine would interfere with that.
Unfortunately, this mean that innocent Ukrainians will be slaughtered indefinitely by the fascists.
Other considerations are that an invasion to liberate Novorossia from fascists would lead to the problem of controlling territory under conditions of fourth-generation warfare. As for creating a no-fly zone, it is not clear that that would be worth the political cost, given that the rebels do have anti-aircraft weapons, so can deal with enemy aircraft on their own to a certain extent.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38683.htm
No sleep from 05:00 02.06. Please excuse spelling mistakes.
During a protest near Lviv in west Ukraine by women demanding the return of their conscripted sons and husbands the women were beaten by Tyagnibok's Svoboda Party operatives. Two women are in hospital.
Artillery fire commenced against the town of Severodonetsk 04:20 local time.
Slavyansk and Kramatorsk heavy fighting resumed dawn today. 3 enemy BTR's destroyed before dawn 03 June 2014 Kramatorsk area. Casualties unknown.
Lugansk fighting and artillery bombardments started dawn in outskirts. One flats building hit by artillery and on fire. Casualties unknown.
27 children including some milk babies were successfully evacuated from Kromatorsk after dark 01 June. Destination unknown.
Intense fighting around Kramotorsk Aerodrome from dawn today. The distinctive sound of a German MG3 was clearly heard. This weapon is known to be in Nats armories in small numbers and some rechambered for Russian 7.62 x 54 round from NATO 7.62 x 51 round. High cyclic rate of fire.
Ukraine Army is blocking all traffic in and out of Donetsk City and Slavyansk. No medical supplies are allowed in to either area. The prohibition of evacuating children from both cities is still in effect by Junta. Sick and severely wounded evacuation is prohibited.
Reports of very heavy fighting suburbs of Slavyansk 08:10 local time. Reports of tank cannon fire in the area of fighting are unconfirmed. Tank cannon have a distinctive sound different from artillery of the same caliber.
09:29 local time column of tanks and BTR's have fought their way in to Slavyansk with right sector infantry. Very intense fighting extant in actual city.
Posted by: Rodger | Jun 4 2014 4:55 utc | 73
@Demian #71:
A sacrifice/tradeoff.
Slavyansk.
Strelkov:
The situation along the North stretch of the front is grave. Having decisive advantage in everything, the opponent took “Red Liman”. The combatants suffered heavy losses. Now, the “National Guard” is punishing the population. The fall of “Red Liman” – serious blow to “Slavyansk”. Their tiny garrison could not be helped, because the attack started here as well.From 5:00 morning, the opponent relentlessly bombed and shelled “Semenovka” for several hours from dozens guns, fighter jets and helicopters. We got losses. As they are publicly announced, I can quote them: 7 dead, 10 wounded.
After shelling, the opponent attacked “Semenovka” from the side of “Selesnevka”, there were tanks, armored carriers and infantry.After heavy combat, the opponent retreated, having lost 2 carriers and armored Hummer as well as 1 tank, T-64. A helicopter, Mi-24, made emergency landing hit by fire arms.
Opponent’s loss of soldiers is unknown. Considering the immense opponent’s advantage in all kind of weaponry, I regard the success of the battle a real valor of our combatants…
Columns of artillery, infantry and armored vehicles continue to swarm Slavyansk literally from everywhere. The ratio 10 to 1 is now “blissful past”. On the way is a division of “Uragans” (missiles). “Grad” (missiles) had worked “Semenovka” today. The number of self-propelled and other howitzers of 122mm and higher has long been over 50. Countless mortars. The opponent aim is to encircle Slavyansk once and forever.
Posted by: Fete | Jun 4 2014 5:00 utc | 74
Susan, was this a question or not,
"...Age-old question, is it laziness, gullibility, cowardice or a matter of actually currying favor by simply obediently incuriously regurgitating the party line."
If you knew the answer why pose an "age old question"?
Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 4 2014 5:25 utc | 75
Just released American Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl had this to say of the US Army “The US army is the biggest joke the world has to laugh at,” wrote Sergeant Bergdahl in an email later published by Rolling Stone magazine. “It is the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies.
http://www.unz.com/item/bowe-bergdahl-release-email-exchange-reveals-extent-of-us-failure-in-afghan-war/ I cannot agree with him, the political leadership in the US are a much bigger joke, Obama,Kerry and that clown with a yellow streak up his back, you know the ex POW who sang like a canary in Vietnam, and friend of the Jihadis, John McCain.
Posted by: harry law | Jun 4 2014 8:57 utc | 76
Just another thought on my comment @75 In McCains position during the Vietnam war it is possible that I also would have "sang like a canary", I hope I would not have,but I cannot be sure, what I would not have done is put myself about as a "war hero" the f-cking hypocrite.
Posted by: harry law | Jun 4 2014 9:08 utc | 77
NATO announces new build up in Eastern Europe aimed at Russia "NATO chief Anders Fuck Rasmussen insisted the move was necessary because of Russia’s increase in military spending over the past five years, though Russia’s entire military budget is less than 10 percent that of NATO.You just could not make this stuff up, do the powers that be think we are all stupid, has NATO plugged the Fulda Gap yet? Better station several thousand NATO tanks there, just in case.
Posted by: harry law | Jun 4 2014 9:20 utc | 78
Hey Somebody,
Don't make me feel guilty and don't let people think Germans are overly susceptible! I read this website mainly for your contributions and Noirette's!! Come back!
Posted by: Mina | Jun 4 2014 9:57 utc | 79
If you have a minute, note that the Ukrainian righties have decided that, on Wikipedia, the new state of 'Novorossiya' will be called 'New Russia' for the obvious propaganda reasons. The common name fight is on the talk page here: go to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Federal_State_of_New_Russia#Move_proposal
and Strongly Support move request. The bad guys are recruiting their comrades to vote so us good guys should too.
World goes mad? Solar eclipce? CNN report truth about Luhansk airstrike
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df9_1401863765#EEmz2FJBmuXMQjkD.99
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 11:09 utc | 81
While heading to the Syrian Embassy in Beirut last week to vote, hordes of Syrian refugees can be seen chanting, "God, Syria, and Bashar only!" From Voltaire.net:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184037.html
Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jun 4 2014 12:22 utc | 82
Anonymous @80.
The OSCE monitors also note that it was an attack using multiple rockets.
"On 2 June, shortly after 15:00 hrs, rockets hit the occupied regional administration building. Based on the SMM’s limited observation these strikes were the result of non-guided rockets shot from an aircraft."
The use of non-guided rockets against civilians sounds like definite war crime material. But what do I know about such complex issues.
Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 4 2014 12:25 utc | 83
"I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS: WHY WAS IT POSSIBLE TO GAMBLE SAVING SOME DOZENS THOUSANDS OF RESPECTED OSETIN-KUDARS, HAVING THROWN A RESCUE IN A TRICE, WHEREAS “DRAGGING FEET” FOR MONTHS WITH SUCH URGENT HELP FOR RUSSIANS?? WHICH ARE MILLIONS HERE!!!"
There are as he says "millions of Russians" there, of which I guess minimum 10% could be viable fighters, but they expect Russia to come save them? Hello? Why would Russia do anything such for someone who doesn't even want to fight for his own home?
Ossetians were completely bare-handed and in danger of total extinction through a foreign entity, the comparison with Ukraine is thus beyond ridiculous. Also the NATO-adventure of the Georgians had to be stopped, from the russian POV.
Posted by: T2015 | Jun 4 2014 12:27 utc | 84
Yonathan
YOu are of course right, this is a clear warcrime. Anti-russian human rights groups are of course no where to be found.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 12:53 utc | 85
William Bowles, at 60, if the links I posted offend I apologise. errr, but.
One was just mainstream RT news with all victims etc. blurred out, as is completely usual in the “West.” As I stated. And clips like this were all over the EU news.
The other was v. brief and ‘gore’ with a strong WARNING.
Clicking on them now I see both have been removed from you tube, though no doubt they could be dug up again. So I can’t tell if i mixed up one with the other, but doubt it.
Yes, I have compassion for victims, but that is just me saying so...
Note that such shocking images or other like it are not censored when the presumed perps are islamists, jihadist, ‘terrorists’, anti-US, etc. As in Syria for ex. Gore, gasping dying screamiing children, mangled bodies in the streets, lines of horrific dead bodies presented in a total undignified form, ppl blasted by arms, chem attacks, partly naked...may be shown for long minutes with hand-wringing alarmist speech. Over and and over again.
Here RT states that the OSCE has confirmed that the attack on the Lugansk admin building was an air strike. (June 3.) Which shows some of the same images. (Blurred, so I presume PC..)
http://rt.com/news/163352-ukraine-airstrike-lugansk-missiles/
To conclude, gore images are horrid, but personally I think having them be selective is hypocritical. I presume you are American, and prefer, generally, to be sheltered from the gut-wrenching. You saw (I suppose) that mangled dying woman in in red vest. Because the KIev Gvmt, supported or even controlled by the US, somehow did an airstrike for what reason is not clear.
People die, it is an airstrike, they are blasted into bits, there is blood all over, why hide it? And this is a minor, tiny incident, what about all the murder and decimation of the population in Iraq or Afgh.?
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 4 2014 16:16 utc | 86
Russia's Investigative Committee intends to bring charges against Ukraine's punitive operations
The Investigative Committee of Russia has set up a special department to investigate international crimes committed in Ukraine against civilians, committee spokesman Vladimir Markin has announced. "The newly formed department will remain operational until all Ukrainian military officials and individuals committing crimes against civilians are held criminally responsible," Markin said to Interfax on Wednesday.He said that the committee's divisions in all territories in which refugees from Ukraine are arriving will be involved in the operations of the special department.
"As for individuals involved in crimes against civilians, the Investigative Committee of Russia intends to hold criminally responsible all officials without exception - military officials immediately involved in punitive operations as well as persons giving orders and financing the killings of civilians," Markin said.
"In this context the Investigative Committee intends to offer a legal evaluation of the steps of [acting Ukrainian Interior Minister] Arsen Avakov, [head of Dnepropetrovsk regional administration] Igor Kolomoyskiy and others," he added.
He said the Investigative Committee is urging everyone "including conscientious citizens of Ukraine to render assistance in identifying concrete perpetrators of murders of civilians in southeastern regions of Ukraine - military pilots, snipers, commanders of artillery units and other individuals immediately committing these crimes."
"And these 'heroes of Ukraine' should not doubt that their 'heroic feats' will sooner or later get an assessment which is not given by their present-day masters who are giving criminal orders but by Russian and international judicial bodies," Markin said.
Those "heroes of Ukraine" which survive, I should add. I have a feeling the deserving fate of Bandera and Mussolini await many of them.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 17:05 utc | 87
72;Das Deutschland macht gut wehr macht sh*t,neh?(sic,I failed German 2)
Okie farmer;And 99% of these corporate news outlets are headed by whom?That's what I mean exactly,we've got to spell it out,despite the attacks on reality that ensue.It's a twilight zone world.You've got idiots watching shows produced by Israelis telling US about Arab and Muslim moles.Holy Sh*t!10 percent approval rated congress critters relected in landslides,as people with a view opposite our poohbahs are given no credence or coverage,with a full onslaught of negative press.And Cuban Canadian wackos are front page,and why,because they blow job the Zionists.
Posted by: dahoit | Jun 4 2014 17:18 utc | 88
That's not in vain Bolotov 2 day dealt with the main part of the border guards of Lugansk.
Beheaded the structure and border guard cordon immediately began to crumble [the officers ran off].Ukrainian border Outpost in the village of Sverdlovsk (Lugansk, Ukraine) left the place of deployment and tries to relocate in Kharkiv, the correspondent of RIA Novosti. Currently, a column of more than 10 cars with Ukrainian border guards stopped in the village Samsonovka on the way to Lugansk. Border guards try to negotiate with the local militia, to accompany them in Kharkov. Last night militia stormed the Lugansk Department of state border service of Ukraine.
To understand their desire, somewhere in the way they can algardia to shoot or its own aviation bomb. A naive search of protection in the fire of civil war [western nazis attack those who retreat or surrender].
All employees of one of the Ukrainian frontier asked to move to the Russian Federation, said on Wednesday authorized under the President of Russia for children's rights Pavel Astakhov, adding that the border guards are planning to move to Russia with their families.
"There is information that a border Outpost of Ukraine wants to leave, because border guards found out about the outrages that happening," said Astakhov, quoted by RIA "Novosti".
"We are ready to accept and border guards," said the children's Ombudsman."Learned about the outrages" it greatly. In what pink world lived these characters?
Needless to say that now is on the border of Ukraine with Russia gape huge holes where the control over the border crossing is very conditional. It remains unclear, why was pulling up to the beginning of June, to make this very obvious campaign to opening of the border. Anyway plan Bolotova worked and now can be expected to increase the flow of volunteers and various pleasant things.
Also in Lugansk restore amphibians during the great Patriotic War.
Fighting today clearly weaker yesterday. The junta probably overextended, so basically bombing and shooting, although still sustains losses.
Summary from Strelkova for today:
"Yesterday in the battle of Semenovka killed the commander of the battalion 95th airmobile brigade. "
"One helicopter had burned down, and the second lies on one side and never will fly, and the third (Mi-24), to be joined this morning, fell and burned in the area of Slavonic Resort."
"I confirm down yesterday TWO su-25. One fell towards the Red Estuary, the second - to the North of Slavyansk saw ejected pilot)."
"Today the Semenovka strafed and bombed the whole day. Applied even howitzers caliber 240-mm Alternately hollowed that howitzer, the storm troopers. We have two wounded. Shoot ukry guns are really bad, but after yesterday's storm troopers below 3 km not omitted and, accordingly, to get too will not can."
The links to the info, along with several photos and a video at the site. In Russian, here.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 17:49 utc | 89
Ukraine. When talk starts about humanitarian corridors and no-fly zones it is game over.
In the sense that ‘pacification’ or ‘political solutions’ etc. are out the window.
And the ppl are to pay the price. Heavy, ultimate, price.
Apparently (?_?) Russia has not suggested or demanded no-fly zones. See:
Ria-Novosti, 4 June:
Some are calling for no-fly zones. KyivPost, 2 June.
http://tinyurl.com/l8lzet3 -- v. brief.
Expl.: Gennady Zyuganov, Russian in Russia (a post-soviet figure, and critic of Putin afaik not that I can sort that out clearly, who knows...), head of the Russia Communist Party, calls for no-fly zone over Donbas, Luhansk region.
Putin may wax sentimental about Russian speakers or ppl who have Russian roots and defending them.
Posted by: Noirette | Jun 4 2014 17:54 utc | 90
WTF is this now?
Madonna>Russia. Ukraine. Venezuela .........., now France?!!!!! #fight Fascism #fightdiscrimination #fightlynchmobmentality http://t.co/IAYa9M5aaf
Americans and their ignorance. Venezuela? Russia? Ukraine? France? What the hell is she talking about? Stupid sheep.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 18:14 utc | 91
Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4, 2014 2:14:53 PM | 91
WTF is this now?
Madonna is the typical mafia fronted "celebrity", is devoutly zionist and comes packaged complete with the neocon regulation strap-on. Whatever war crimes the west is doing, it's her job to help sell them.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 18:31 utc | 92
NATO will form against the South-East Russophobic teams of eurofashion
"Immediately after yesterday's Council of defense Ministers of NATO countries, Ukraine announced that it will be formed Ukra-Lithuanian-Polish Sonderkommando, with base in Lviv, which will be used in the hot spots.The context of this news unveils plans further escalation of the crisis in Ukraine. Simultaneously military, NATO leaders announced that the absolute support of the Ukrainian violence in Donetsk and Lugansk.
"There is a resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers on signing the agreement between Lithuania, Ukraine and Poland on the establishment of the Lithuanian-Ukrainian-Polish brigade", said the Minister of defense of Ukraine Mykhaylo Koval after he was summoned for a big carpet to the masters of the situation, additionally gathered at the session of the Commission Ukraine-NATO.
Koval has informed, that already communicated with colleagues from Poland and Lithuania. "We agreed that this document will be signed on June 18".
Thus for the war on ukrainskom direction to create the first official team of eurofashion. From this project it is obvious that the West sees Ukraine as a permanent source of Russophobia on our borders, a testing ground for training, arms, which Washington intends to dismantle putyland."
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 19:27 utc | 93
Syria: Speaker of the People's Assembly announcing results of Presidential elections:Dr. Bashar al-Assad won the post of the Republic's Presidency for a new constitutional term, having the majority of participants' votes with 10.319.723 votes and 88.7%
As expected. Let the West howling begin :)
Posted by: Harry | Jun 4 2014 19:27 utc | 94
Posted by: Harry | Jun 4, 2014 3:27:46 PM | 94
As expected. Let the West howling begin :)
I've already seen a headline in the liar's club media quoting the Kerry-bot saying the election was a "big zero". He sounds like a typical jealous adolescent American schoolgirl. I think it's now a requirement that a person has to exhibit a spoiled adolescent schoolgirl mentality and level of maturity to get anywhere in the American establishment.
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 19:33 utc | 95
@scalawag That called "paying her dues" for being allowed by the ruling satanic class to rise to the top. It's like mafia and racketeering - if want to be on the top you have to pay for the entry. Many pop "celebrities" sold out that way, e.g. Bono form U2, Rihanna, JayZ/Beyonce. Many "celebrities" were furthering secret intelligence services agenda, pushing drugs, new mind-fuck methods,... e.g. Rolling Stones, Woodstock, "California flower-children" (see their parents being Navy, Army, AF intelligence). The same with the "top" businessman (Gates, Bezos, Google). Part of the "deal" is to provide services facilitating better control of the masses, pushing symbolism for the elite (Bilderberg) agendas. Many "celebrities" have been mind-control since childhood when they were often molested (Micheal Jackson). There is TONS of material on that topic, see e.g. Aangirfan. Look in the eyes of Miley Cyrus, or Jared Leto and you can see that there is something profoundly disturbing inside them.
"It's a big club, and you ain't in it" - timeless George Carling (R.I.P)
Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Jun 4 2014 19:42 utc | 96
@96 Wait, so youre saying Michael Jackson was created by the CIA since his childhood?
Theres evidence of this where exactly?
As for Miley Cyrus, her messed-up-ness can more easily be attributed to the psychological pressures of being famous at an early age rather than being created that way by the CIA. If you were to say Capitalism made Miley Cyrus I think I would probably agree, but the CIA? I dont understand what youre saying.
Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 4 2014 20:35 utc | 97
@Massinissa Sorry, I was typing fast - I meant they are OFTEN products of mind control experiments and controlled by clandestine network of intelligence services, not only, and not always CIA. Or, they - the "celebrities" - were often abused in their childhood, like Micheal Jackson to be later used mercilessly as products sold for profits. I was trying to say the celebrities like Madonna sold out to the forces of evil long time ago and must do what they are told. So no surprise here.
In short - yes, Hollywood (with exceptions such as Matt Dimon or James Cameron - after departing from that puppet, the director of this crap "Hurt Locker") and the pop culture have been tools of the ruling elite for furthering their anti-human agenda.
As I said - read AANGIRFAN's blog.
Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Jun 4 2014 22:29 utc | 98
Posted by: PeacefulProsperity | Jun 4, 2014 3:42:32 PM | 96
Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 4, 2014 4:35:08 PM | 97
I'm afraid both of you are mistaken about Miley Cyrus. This is the real story:
Posted by: scalawag | Jun 4 2014 22:35 utc | 99
Putin has gone too far this time!! He says Hillary is weak!!
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-calls-hillary-clinton-weak-woman-223804808.html
Posted by: dh | Jun 4 2014 23:02 utc | 100
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thanks for this overview b. how much of todays activity in eastern ukraine is prior to poroshenko actually taking over, or a last gasp of these fascists in power in kiev at present? or is this the new norm?
Posted by: james | Jun 2 2014 16:17 utc | 1