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June 27, 2014

Ukraine: The Association Agreement Is Likely To Fail

The temporary truce in Ukraine will soon be over and the Ukrainian army will then try to squash the insurgency by all possible means. It is unlikely to achieve that.

Today the coup president signed an EU association agreement in Brussels. The preferred trade status with Russia will thereby be over and the Ukraine will fall into a deep depression. Its industry is not competitive against western European ones and it can not be sustained without the Russian markets. The most knowledgeable engineers and workers, especially from the big weapon producers, will move to Russia and leave the Ukrainian industry to rot.

As Mark Adomanis correctly remarks:

The association agreement has always been seen in highly politicized and symbolic terms as a “civilizational choice” in which Ukraine would be able to leave behind its dark, eastern past and march forward into the safety and comfort of the European Union. This was a huge mistake. In reality the association agreement has nothing to do with culture or history and is much more basic: a highly technocratic bit of economic liberalization. There is no “European” way to end gas subsidies, and no “civilized” way to cut pensions. These steps are either taken or they are avoided. Since economic liberalization is not very popular in Ukraine, since Ukrainians continues to express extremely left-wing economic views, the struggle to implement free trade is likely to be long and nasty.

The agreement will still have to be signed off, and then implemented, by a new Ukrainian parliament. I seriously doubt that will happen.

Meanwhile the fighting in the east will continue and, when the coming push by the army fails as it is likely to do, will see further steps towards more independence for the eastern regions.

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will see further steps towards more independence for the eastern regions.

More independence? Perhaps more independence from Kiev, but that independence is substituted with dependence on Russia. Net effect equals zero or maybe even less than zero when you consider the basic liberties that will be stripped from Eastern Ukrainians when it's all said and done.

If Russia keeps this up, they'll go bankrupt unless the price of oil climbs to $150/barrel or more. Oh, wait.......Go ISIS is the cheer we hear coming from the Kremlin. How else are they going to pay the pensions of Eastern Europe once they annex the majority of it?

Is Adomanis writing from Moscow? Last I saw, he was going to be on assignment there for a couple of years. He's smart to not write anything unfavorable about Putin and the Kremlin or else he may wake up to find someone's crapped on the hood of his car or hung his cat from the light fixture in the hall outside his apartment. Adomanis knows where his bread is buttered and he wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds him.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jun 27 2014 14:53 utc | 1

Bets for how long before the buyers remorse sets in across Ukraine? It seems the Polish definitely have it, having discovered friendship with the west is a one way street.

Posted by: thepanzer | Jun 27 2014 14:55 utc | 2

b
You are wrong.
Why would the gov in ukraine not sign the aggreement?! They with porohshenko just agreed to it?!
And business with Russia isnt stopped at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27 2014 15:11 utc | 3

Here is a good new anglophone blog by a "Ukrainian Russian" which people who still believe the USG/Uki line about what is happening in the Ukraine should be directed to:

The cunning demons of Russian propaganda, or what the BBC forgot to warn us about

Posted by: Demian | Jun 27 2014 15:15 utc | 4

Cold N. Holefield: consider the basic liberties that will be stripped from Eastern Ukrainians

Are these the "basic liberties" that E. Ukrainians had before the violent coup in Kiev, or the "basic liberties" they now have as a result of the violent coup in Kiev?

Posted by: Pair | Jun 27 2014 15:18 utc | 5

Posted by: Demian | Jun 27, 2014 11:15:03 AM | 4

Perhaps said blog author should return to Russia where it belongs. I'm sure Putin will sponsor its escape from the evil West. Or is the author enjoying the Western amenities and doesn't want to leave so soon?

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jun 27 2014 15:20 utc | 6

Some of those factories appeared to be miles long in videos I've seen from Graham, a British journo who was in Ukraine. In one vid while they were driving, it just kept going on and on and on as they drove past this massive factory with its own rail line. From what I've heard, there are a lot of similar facilities in eastern Ukraine. Assuming they are still useful, that's not the kind of thing you can just move or reestablish in another area. Though I expect the military-industrial complex across the border in Russia will be thriving. One wonders if another military-industrial complex region is developing near the border with China. But I think you'd still need a substantial set of shipbuilding facilities near the Black Sea.

Posted by: gemini33 | Jun 27 2014 15:27 utc | 7

Nothing can really be added or subtracted from Krypton N. Holefield, who writes and corresponds like a machine. Krypton, if possessed of arms and and legs and standard features, probably fucks the amenities of the West, and prefers having them to having a conscience.

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 27 2014 15:41 utc | 8

Sort of a mixed message coming out of Brussels:

Despite threats this week from Secretary of State John Kerry of new and tougher sanctions on Russia for its actions in Ukraine, European Union leaders announced within hours of signing the economic accord that they would not support such a step. Europe, like the United States, has limited its sanctions to an asset freeze and travel ban against a narrow group of Russian political and military figures involved in the March annexation of Crimea.

But the summit statement noted that preparatory work was underway for additional sanctions and set out conditions, including the return of Ukrainian border posts seized by pro-Russian fighters, that it said should be met by Monday.

The plus side is that Europe has finally broken with the U.S and is going its own way. We'll have to wait and see Monday. I wouldn't imagine the border posts are going back to the junta. Maybe this is just a way to let Kerry down easy. Now the U.S. is exposed on any new sanctions it launches. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers will not be pleased.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 27 2014 15:45 utc | 9

@5 - prexactly.

send 'cold feet' to eastern ukraine, but cold feet won't go.. it's easier to pontificate on the wonderful merits of usa propaganda which he likes dispensing regularly..talk is cheap and we have it with the ignoramus of mob.

Posted by: james | Jun 27 2014 15:49 utc | 10

Mike Maloney

YEs EU have broken with the US and I heard the hell froze to ice.

Broke? Really man? Be serious.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27 2014 15:49 utc | 11

@2 Buyers remorse is dependent on whether voters and the street voted "for" Poroshenko or whether he was seen as a compromise candidate. There is one thing people hate more than being conned and that is recognizing they were conned.

A loved Poroshenko can survive broken promises because it can't be his fault, but a candidate chosen to meet certain rational attributes and outcomes can be tossed aside. Is he Carter or Obama? 41 or 43?

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Jun 27 2014 15:54 utc | 12

" Maybe this is just a way to let Kerry down easy. Now the U.S. is exposed on any new sanctions it launches. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers will not be pleased."


Triangulation of madness. How many Americans even know the slightest about what's going on? How many would, much less could disagree in a manner which would stop O'Kerrycons? Kerry, the chamber etc... are all just safely pushing the extreme neoliberalcon ever rightward with cash, weapons, nazi's and the IMF... so EU elites don't have to be, not so blatantly anyway.

I mean, what are 'mericans going to do if they knew, vote for McCain or Jeb to stop this madness?

Sans the Crimean ports remaining in Russian hands, and it aint over yet... this could all very well be heading exactly as the west wants.

Posted by: Eureka Springs | Jun 27 2014 16:03 utc | 13

"Broken" might have been too strong, Anonymous. How about "diverged"? The U.S. wants a new round of sanctions targeting banking, military and energy sectors. The full monty. And what it got was a slow handclap. We'll have to wait and see. I'm hopeful that Europe is finally about to stand upright on its hindquarters. But you're right, I could be deluded.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 27 2014 16:05 utc | 14

I can't cite this but somewhere I saw that the voting results were extremely dubious anyway. So thoughts of Poro being any kind of peoples' favorite may be kind of moot. In my view, Ukraine continued to get owned and (very heavily) propagandized by another oligarch is all. What the actual feeling of the people in the non-resistance part of Ukraine is, I'd like to know, but I haven't seen much data - obviously it's more important right now for observers to know about the east.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 27 2014 16:05 utc | 15

The ‘agreement’ signed between EU and Ukraine: EU signed with Moldova and Georgia, the same agreement, at the same time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28038725

http://tinyurl.com/n7tpxux Prague post: Barroso:

To succeed will require strong political will. It will require effective coordination within each of the partner governments. It will require each of them to reach out to their parliaments, to opposition, to civil society in order to build a national consensus in favour of the measures required to guarantee a genuine and sustainable transformation. No international agreement can ever replace the momentum and political leadership within the country itself. Key issues to address to make the reform process successful and irreversible include reforming the judiciary systems and public administration; improving efficiency and transparency; and fighting corruption. (…)

Above all, the transformations in your societies and public administrations should result in safer and more prosperous lives for your citizens. Lives fully within the European family to which they rightfully belong, to which we all belong. (…)

Ha ha ha - hollow laughter.

Anyway these agreements are in some sense trivial. The EU has such for over 20 years with Turkey, Switzerland, and many others..

The text signed can be read here: (Haven’t read it yet.)

http://eeas.europa.eu/ukraine/assoagreement/assoagreement-2013_en.htm

Here an overview of trade relations between the EU - other. 100s of entries.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/index_en.htm

I don’t think such an agreement can actually ‘fail’ - it just limps along and the more powerful go for advantage and then nobody refers to it anymore.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 27 2014 16:13 utc | 16

@15 If Poroshenko needs troops to control the Kiev street, it effectively liberates the East from Kiev.

Posted by: NotTimothyGeithner | Jun 27 2014 16:20 utc | 17

Mike Maloney

Sorry I didnt mean to sound negative agains your claim, I just dont see how eu will break with US or diverge from what US wants, in fact they have already gone through with the same sanctions US have done and they have themselves said that they planned more along with the US.
Signing agreements is another smack in the face against Russia by the EU. Sort of a sanction in itself imo.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27 2014 16:21 utc | 18

Sorry there were some errors in you quote b - I corrected them:

President Putin requested $500 million from the Duma on Thursday to train and equip what the Kreml is calling “appropriately vetted” members of the Ukrainian opposition, reflecting increased worry about the spillover of the Ukrainian conflict into other bordering countries.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 27 2014 16:29 utc | 19

Ooops, don't know why my comment @10 ended up in this thread.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 27 2014 16:32 utc | 20

Shoot @ 19

Posted by: Fran | Jun 27 2014 16:32 utc | 21

it's ok Fran... I have many days filled with moments like that ;-)

Posted by: crone | Jun 27 2014 16:45 utc | 22

Mike M's intuition just struck me as rather sharp because Europeans are certainly clear on the brutal US hegemony over Europe.

Posted by: Michaël | Jun 27 2014 16:58 utc | 23

Fascists creating child soldiers in Urkaine.

Posted on 24 June 2014.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4eE8i6hYkw


Posted by: Noirette | Jun 27 2014 17:00 utc | 24

Anonymous, I was alerted to the reality of EU divergence from the U.S. by a story earlier the week about the U.S. Chamber and NAM rolling out a big media blitz against sanctions on Russia. To my mind this meant big corporate interests like Boeing and PepsiCo and Ford believe that Europe is going its own own way and if U.S. goes ahead with full-monty sanctions they'll be left out of the grand Eurasian barbecue.

I could be wrong, but why roll out an expensive anti-sanctions publicity campaign?

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jun 27 2014 17:03 utc | 25

Anybody here up for a good laugh? Try The Guardian's new article on Poroshenko: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/ukraine-president-petro-poroshenko-vladimir-putin.

Here's a few little gems:

"Poroshenko signed the outstanding chapters of a historic association agreement with the bloc that brings Ukraine significantly closer to European markets and the EU – though with no prospect of eventual membership."

Well, Maidanski, it looks like all those protests were for nothing after all. You see, the EU never really wanted you in the first place. It was all a big ruse to weaken Russia.

Or how about this:

"Asked whether Ukraine would get Crimea back during his presidential term, a smiling Poroshenko said: 'Certainly.' He did not reveal how this might happen."

Ha, ha! He didn't say how it's going to happen because it's not going to happen.

Enjoy the article, but realize you won't be able to share your mirth with other readers there because, once again, the Graun has turned off the comment section.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jun 27 2014 17:17 utc | 26

Russia Today - 5 facts you need to know about the EU-Ukraine association agreement

If Ukraine is the ‘bread basket of Europe’, Eastern Ukraine is the center of industry and infrastructure. Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk are both southeastern cities where separatists groups continue to fight. Together, these regions account for 35 percent of the country’s exports.

Steel, ships, nuclear power, metals, airplanes, autos, machines, refineries, and appliances are all manufactured in the historically Russian-speaking southeast. To export these goods to Europe, the Kiev government will need to make peace.

Agriculture and service industry dominate business in the Western regions.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 27 2014 17:17 utc | 27

@Anonymous (Jun 27, 2014 12:21:04 PM) #18:

"I just dont see how eu will break with US or diverge from what US wants..."

Well, the French did go ahead with the sale of the Mistral ships to Russia, while the Austrians have now inked a deal with them on the South Stream pipeline--both over strenuous US objections. So, while it may be to early to start uncorking the champagne, I guess there may be some hope yet.

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jun 27 2014 17:22 utc | 28

seamus
Well
1. Mistral was a a done deal already and didnt break any sanctions
2. As for South Stream. Eu have said they arent against the project itself but have ruled out building it now.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27 2014 17:37 utc | 29

@5 Excuse my ignorance of how these things work but will there now be a stampede for EU visas, work permits and one-way tickets to London?

Posted by: dh | Jun 27 2014 17:38 utc | 30

Should be @25.

Posted by: dh | Jun 27 2014 17:39 utc | 31

STRESS TEST FOR IMF IN UKRAINE — IGOR KOLOMOISKY’S PRIVATBANK IS THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARY OF THE IMF’S EMERGENCY LIQUIDITY ASSISTANCE (ELA)

Posted by: dh | Jun 27, 2014 1:38:49 PM | 29

no. there is visa facilitation at present with the aim for visa free travel from January next year.

It means Ukrainians will be able to travel freely to the EU but will have no work permit - ie. they will be on the semi-black market like Moldovans now working in households, farms and on private building sites.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 27 2014 17:56 utc | 32

@31 Thanks somebody. I'm always interested in the details. I think some of those Maidanistas think they are getting guaranteed jobs in Brussels.

Posted by: dh | Jun 27 2014 18:14 utc | 33

Posted by: dh | Jun 27, 2014 2:14:42 PM | 32

I think what they got was employment in Kolomoisky's private army.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 27 2014 18:22 utc | 34

"I think some of those Maidanistas think they are getting guaranteed jobs in Brussels."
I'm sure that some will get jobs in Brussels. Others will become scholars at the American Enterprise Institute. One or two may even become Professors at Harvard.
But for the masses the prospect is of joining the EU at the very bottom of the pecking order. With unemployment at record levels and youth unemployment in some countries at more than 50% there is no chance of the good life. Ukraine is to Germany as Guatemala is to the United States.
The logic behind these agreements is to assist the ruling class in its attack on living standards by flooding the labour market with cheap, biddable hands far from home, unaware of their legal rights, unprotected and nit very welcome to the poor with whom they will compete for jobs in a de-industrialising economy.
But that is the good news: the bad news, which will come into effect very soon, is that the EU will insist on the "reform" of the economy. Subsidies will be ended, pensions cut, corporate taxes diminished, sales taxes and regressive "poll" taxes will be imposed and all government services subject to user fees and other charges.
Both the EU and the US are in a depression, even the official statistics are now ceasing to claim otherwise. Ukraine's role is to deflate economies which are already imploding.
The best thing Maidanites can do is take the lesson of how to overthrow an elected government to the west, where in places such as Athens, Madrid, Paris and London (to say nothing of the really depressed cities in the provinces) they will find a willing audience.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 27 2014 18:58 utc | 35

Ukraine is to Germany as Guatemala is to the United States.

Ukraine is to Russia what Canada is to the United States. The U.S. doesn't meddle in Canadian affairs and respects Canada's sovereignty. By virtue of that, Canada has no compulsion to join BRICS since it has a positive and mutually respectful relationship with its much larger and much more powerful neighbor. Russia and Putin could learn from this arrangement, but instead they've chosen to do exactly the opposite. Old habits die hard.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jun 27 2014 19:24 utc | 36

#18 I just dont see how eu will break with US or diverge from what US wants...

Besides France rebuffing US demands on that helicopter carrier and Austria continuing to support South Stream we can add that the German government just announced they were discontinuing their contract with Verizon. The US is being increasingly isolated from Europe.

I also remain optimistic that the ceasefire announced by Poroshenko and modified by Putin will continue. It is hard to find much solid evidence to support such optimism but there are signs. I am guessing that Merkel is pressuring Poro to find a negotiated settlement along the lines advocated by Putin and Lavrov. Official Russian statements seem positive about future prospects. I noticed that the Crosstalk guy at RT seems supportive of the ceasefire. Also we can discount Poro's belligerent language since that is mostly about him placating the neo-nazis in his government.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 27 2014 19:59 utc | 37

cold n holefield

The U.S. doesn't meddle in Canadian affairs

Haha you are really stupid, first denying Guatemala then bringing up canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Canada_%281775%29

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27 2014 20:01 utc | 38

I don't see more independance for the eastern regions but more violence against them.
This is the fascist approach from washiton (insane McCain, nuland, biden, brennan,
kerry, breedlove(sic!)and the murder-in-command himself). Add the brussels us puppets
and the bandera right sector racist murder groups to create a vile mortar cocktail.
Even Jordan has an association agreement with eu, it means nothing but cash for the
fat cats and subjection for you. welcome slava ukraina!

Posted by: slirs | Jun 27 2014 20:41 utc | 39

@ cold hole

meddling in canada? meddling in ukraine?

meddling is so wiggly, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: john | Jun 27 2014 20:43 utc | 40

slirs

You are of course , soon the regime will start the killing, they just taking a pause and plan to attack them harder, bet nato is involved in this.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27 2014 20:49 utc | 41

@ Cold N Holefield

At first I used to say that the average north american suffers as a victim of mass labotomization post WW II. However, lately the symptoms resemble more that of a missing phantom limb, specifically a missing organ.

You and others like you seem to suffer from a brain amputation. I think you will lead the charge to bend over when they finally come to "install for your own personal prorection" a GPS chip where the sun dont shine.

Posted by: The Wanderer | Jun 27 2014 21:39 utc | 42

Fortunately for all of us not in the Ukraine this is a storm in a teacup. In five years we will all be older and wiser. The USA will be poorer - relatively speaking - and the blabbering of its trolls will probably be set to music by aspiring PhD students of propaganda techniques of the early twenty first century. By the way in case you didn't realise the theses will not be written in english. Warm and ground giving imp (imp = minor minion of Satan)- a thing who gets closest to an appreciation of love by paying a lap dancer- will probably be dead by then, and not much missed. Goodnight and see dreams.

Posted by: bridger | Jun 27 2014 21:56 utc | 43

Sweet dreams

Posted by: bridger | Jun 27 2014 21:58 utc | 44

@ToivoS #36:

The US is being increasingly isolated from Europe.

It looks that way to me too ATM. Let's keep our fingers crossed. The main reason that Russia is not sending forces into the former Ukraine is not to give USG a pretext for further isolating Russia from the EU.

I also remain optimistic that the ceasefire announced by Poroshenko and modified by Putin will continue.

The ceasefire can't continue because it never existed. At no point have the fascists observed it.

The Ukraine has shown that if it exists, it eventually gets taken over by Nazis. The Ukrainian experiment has failed. Non-Catholic/fascist-dominated regions of the former Ukraine must join Novorossia, and the remaining rump can then be allowed to fester in its hatred of European civilization, to be eventually absorbed by Poland and other neighboring EU countries.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 27 2014 22:45 utc | 45

http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/vz.ru/news/2014/6/27/693103.html Deputy Lyashko introduced to the Parliament a draft law on the prosecution of officials of Russia

"The notorious MP, leader of the Radical party, Oleg Lyashko made to the Ukrainian Parliament a draft resolution on prosecution of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin after the annexation of Crimea to Russia.

The title of the document reads: "About the appeal to Prosecutor General of Ukraine on bringing to criminal responsibility of the President of Russian Federation Putin centuries and other officials of the Russian Federation for crimes against peace, security of mankind and international law, national security and public safety of Ukraine and personal rights and freedoms of man and citizen, committed through armed aggression of Russian Federation against Ukraine, military occupation and annexation of the Autonomous Republic of the Crimea and city of Sevastopol", reports RIA "Novosti".

The text of the draft yet.

Let's remind, on Thursday Lyashko said that he sees nothing bad in the fact that participating in "special operations" battalion "Azov" is half of the men with criminal records.

In March Lyashko initiated about the severance of diplomatic relations with Russia, denouncing the Ukrainian-Russian agreements and membership of Ukraine in EU and NATO.

Also in early June, Deputy Lyashko was expelled from the building of the Ukrainian Parliament film crew of the Russian TV channel RTR, accusing it of "Russian espionage and in a lie".

In may investigators in the Crimea organized checks against Lyashko, who in July 2012 tried to export from the territory of the Crimea on "vacation" to Turkey two students Yalta boarding 12 and 14 years. [He tried to take 2 adolescent boys on a "sex vacation" in Turkey, but the authorities at the airport refused to allow the kids to go with him.]

Let's remind, Deputy Lyashko has taken the third place on the election of the President of Ukraine, having 8,32% of the vote."

Lyashko, a known molester of adolescent boys, got 8% of the vote in the enlightened banderastan. That's a lot of people voting for homosexual child abuse.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 27 2014 23:17 utc | 46

http://voiceofrussia.com/radio_broadcast/25298789/274016376/

the above is an interview with paul craig roberts which includes many talking points that others here are familiar with, but i thought i would share it anyway..

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2014 0:16 utc | 47

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 27, 2014 3:59:37 PM | 36

"I also remain optimistic that the ceasefire announced by Poroshenko and modified by Putin will continue."

There goes ToivoS being a bullhorn for fascist western propaganda. There was no cease fire. The "cease fire" was a PR scam perpetrated by the western fascists to make themselves look good as they continued their genocide and ethnic cleansing war against the people of Novorossia. Cross Talk has a very decent program out discussing this fraudulent cease fire.

http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/168776-ukraine-divided-no-ceasefire/ Ukrainian crucible

"Ukraine continues to be divided and there is no evidence of a ceasefire in the country. What is Poroshenko's "peace plan"? Is a political compromise possible? Or economic suicide in Ukraine is imminent? CrossTalking with Finian Cunningham, Jonathan Steele and Mark Sleboda."

Steele, and his western propaganda, got thrashed. Steele is considered one of the Israeli mouthpiece Guardian's best and most independent journos, and here he is promoting the fascist lies, and getting satisfyingly trounced. Ironically, he was the only Guardian staffer who was critical of the original "orange" coup in the Ukraine. Now he defends bandera nazi propaganda. One should keep in mind that the Guardian is a diaspora Jewish-Israeli media house and follows the zionist propaganda lines. Nazis-zionists-western capitalists, all quite happy together committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 0:30 utc | 48

If we all stop feeding Cold Hole maybe he will get bored and go away?

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 28 2014 1:18 utc | 49

Toivos, if you think theres been any kind of ceasefire since the war began I have a bridge over the Marianas Trench to sell you.

Honestly I wonder if youre not repeating this kind of propaganda on purpose.

Repeat after me: THE CEASEFIRE WAS ALWAYS A FICTION.

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 28 2014 1:21 utc | 50

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 27, 2014 12:21:04 PM | 18

I just dont see how eu will break with US or diverge from what US wants, in fact they have already gone through with the same sanctions US have done and they have themselves said that they planned more along with the US.

Your information is incorrect. EU sanctions are different from US sanctions.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 3:40 utc | 51

http://journal-neo.org/2014/06/27/ukraine-and-the-battle-for-south-stream/ Ukraine and the Battle for South Stream

"Exploiting South Stream’s Delay

The West’s plans to use South Stream’s delay to extort concessions from Russia and those working with it on the project. Additionally the delay will help preserve the benefits of Ukraine’s current monopoly on transporting Russian natural gas to Western Europe. To ensure maximum leverage, the West is placing key personnel within Ukraine’s energy sector, in addition to propping up the regime in Kiev. Perhaps the most indicative of the overall illegitimacy and criminal nature of the current EU-NATO posture was the appointment of Hunter Biden, son of US Vice President Joseph Biden, as a member of Ukraine energy giant Barisma’s board of directors.

Biden Jr.’s nepotist appointment is not where the conflict of interest begins or ends. Biden Jr. was also a director of the US State Department’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) subsidiary National Democratic Institute (NDI). The NED/NDI played an admitted role in building up opposition parties in Ukraine prior to the so-called “Euromaidan” protests and admittedly engineered the so-called “Orange Revolution” in Ukraine in 2004. More recently, they served as “election monitors” lending their stamp of approval of polling in Ukraine where entire provinces failed to vote in the east, opposition parties were unable to campaign in the west, and the aerial bombardment of cities across the country was underway.

In effect, Biden Jr.s NDI overthrew a government ahead of himself being appointed as a director in the targeted nation’s largest energy company – a dizzying conflict of interest. Coupled with the stated US agenda of reducing Russia’s influence in Europe’s energy market, this conflict of interest becomes a self-evident impropriety and an obvious component of the West’s agenda of encircling and containing Russia.

It remains to be seen how long the South Stream delay lasts and what other moves the EU, NATO, and Ukraine’s openly foreign-influenced regime and industries take in implementing Secretary Kerry’s stated goal of confronting Russia. For nations like Bulgaria, the cost to their sovereignty upon entering the European Union can now be acutely felt. Bulgaria is now unable to pursue their own interests because of dictates from Brussels made on behalf of special interests operating well beyond their borders and in absolute disregard to the peace and prosperity of the Bulgarian people. It is a cautionary tale for other nations around the world seeking to enter into similar supranational “communities,” most notably Southeast Asia’s ASEAN/AEC.

NATO and the EU’s open intent to “integrate” all of Europe including Russia into their geopolitical order, clearly by force if necessary, their abuse of the EU’s legal framework to impose thinly veiled sanctions on Russia, overt nepotism, as well as obstructing the completion of projects that are demonstrably beneficial to their own member states reveals an emerging political order of immense criminality unbound by the rule of law and a clear and present danger to global stability. For those in eastern Ukraine weathering air raids, artillery barrages, and mechanized “national guard” composed of ultra-right Neo-Nazi militants, that instability is already a deadly, daily reality."

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 4:20 utc | 52

Russian Spring

Slavyansk. 06/27/2014-20:22

Question: A comment to Poroshenko announcement of extending cease-fire for 72 hours more.

Strelkov:

Column after column crowd toward us from “Isum” (city) – l-o-t-s! In three days, they will be composed to attack. If allowed, of course. Therefore in such circumstances, we will not honor cease-fire. Our conditions (demands) are invariable - backing off 10 km minimum, halting artillery fire, unblocking communication routes.

Question: Earlier captured block-post 1 was repossessed by the Ukrainian military.

Strelkov:

Unfortunately, they took it over again. Our combatants had to leave because of stern howitzer fire (one combatant wounded) – though, the position is “so so” in sense of defending, and time was insufficient to entrench thoroughly. They took it back by “great force” – sent 4 tanks and 8 armored carriers with infantry. So, we tossed them 80 mortar rounds for “the life would not be too sweet” to fresh Ukrainian warriors.

Also fired from single mortar at block-post to “Red Liman” in time of a column passing. Tossed just 8 rounds, seemed like hit once. They fired back by as many as 12 mortars. A whole company (military unit). Respecting us…

Question: Denetsk and Lugansk People Republics pledged to cease-fire until June 30.

Strelkov:

We were forgotten to be notified… Will only honor if the regrouping activity stops in 10 km zone. Which will not happen even once, obviously – the forces are piled up to storm

Question: Rumors that “Seversk” (city) and the two bridges over “Severskiy Donets” gained by the Ukrainian military.

Strelkov:

The concrete bridge over “Severskiy Donets” is blown. The wooden one is operational. So far ,“Seversk” is held by us, but the opponent formation impending over it has not disappeared – its dominance over the combatants is overwhelming.

Posted by: Fete | Jun 28 2014 5:30 utc | 53

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28, 2014 12:20:03 AM | 51
scalawag, a "delay" in South Stream, which I do not see happening, will do nothing, as no one will invest in Ukraine's pipeline system as long as South Stream is built. In all the Ukraine pipeline disputes, Russia in the end always got paid in full, just Southern Europe froze over without gas in winter.
South Stream is political (as North Stream, the political alliance against that project was the same, Poland, Baltic States, Sweden, US), the pipelines effectively split Europe (transit payments, different gas price).
It is not just Ukraine that has disputes with Russia on gas price and transit fees it is also Belorus - last conflict dates 2010. Basically, those two countries got the historical SU non market gas price and Russia forced them to pay according to market/or closer to market in Belorus. Very upsetting for local elites who thrived on the differential.)
If you believe the ideology that is thinly spread on business disputes you are either a tool or stupid.
The criminality lies in the fact that people are made to die for it.
And yes, the West started that on Maidan. Maidan right wingers aimed at the partition of the country by suppressing/provoking/driving into full military conflict the opposition in Eastern Ukraine. Which is not really what "the West" aimed for as eg. the business interests of Biden's firm are in Donetsk.
And it is an ironic parallel to Iraq where "the West" and allies drove a "Sunni/Shiite" conflict, with "Sunni" allies but business interest in "Shiite" regions.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 6:10 utc | 54

An illustration what different gazprom prices mean in Europe - the list maybe wrong, the fact that prices are not disclosed speaks for itself

Sale prices from Russia’s gas export monopoly, Gazprom, to 21 other European countries were revealed for the first time Feb. 3 by daily Izvestia, who claimed the information was obtained from company executives.

Details of gas deals, including prices and amount of gas sold by Gazprom to European countries, were disclosed in the report, revealing that the United Kingdom, which provides 10 percent of its gas needs with Gazprom gas, pays the cheapest price at $313.4 per 1,000 cubic meters. Macedonia, however, which is 100 percent dependent on Russian gas, buys the most expensive gas, paying $564.

Turkey ranks eighth among 21 countries with a price of $406.7. As Turkey is Gazprom’s second biggest client, buying 23 billion cubic meters of gas per year, this amount will decrease by 18 percent along an 8 percent discount.

The dependence level on Russian gas is reflected remarkably on the gas’ price, according to the data. Macedonia and Bosnia pay $515.2 and are completely dependent on Gazprom, Bulgaria pays $501 and is 90 percent dependent, while Poland shells out $525.5 and is over 60 percent dependent. The cheapest gas is supplied to United Kingdom whose demand of Gazprom gas is only about 10 percent, Izvesita reported.

Since the release of the data, which daily Izvestia said was acquired from Gazprom’s executives, the European Commission has already requested to see the company’s contracts. Gazprom has never officially disclosed prices for Europe.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 6:25 utc | 55

"Meanwhile the fighting in the east will continue and, when the coming push by the army fails as it is likely to do, will see further steps towards more independence for the eastern regions."


Or, we will see another hysterical US diplomatic escalation while the US, um, pushes Kiev vigorously from the rear, to ramp up its war against the people of the East.

Posted by: Marc | Jun 28 2014 6:47 utc | 56

Posted by: Marc | Jun 28, 2014 2:47:45 AM | 55

I think it is Kolomoisky who is doing the pushing. Wall Street Journal has just praised him as "hamster" (Kolomoisky famously said it is a matter of PR if you are rat or hamster) and this here is Russia's take

"During Poroshenko's working visit to the Donetsk region, Kolomoisky openly said to the President that he would never obey and that his army would in any case finish off "these separatists," said the agency's interlocutor. The source also added that oligarch Kolomoisky remained the main opponent of not only the ceasefire, but generally any contacts with the militia.

Whilst Akhmetov wants negotiations ...

Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 7:07 utc | 57

@ somebody @ 53

This is only tangentially about the pipelines. Niggling details that make it worse. Massive extractive energy interests in the US are against pushing the conflict against Russia, and yet senator corker of Tennessee (a member of the banking committee) responds to that effort by saying "sometimes foreign relations trump business interests". Sure. Unless your business interest is finance. The finance sector is driving this. This is,( despite the liberal/capitalist/EU/Washington line that says otherwise), an ideological struggle. The ideology is the demand that all nations and their political and banking systems MUST submit themselves to the kind of systemic "restructuring" of the kind demanded by the IMF, World Bank, the kind rampant among the EU member states, and to the everlasting regime of the petro dollar. According to the extremist market ideology (cult) "there is no alternative" (TINA). The full weight of the empire of finance capital is fighting to make that more than just a happy slogan. Those powers (China Russia and Iran) who assert "fuck you we don't take orders from sissy men in pink socks", are the opposing "Ideology". I sure hope to GOD the fuck you ideology holds out.

Posted by: Marc | Jun 28 2014 7:09 utc | 58

Posted by: Marc | Jun 28, 2014 2:47:45 AM | 55

Posted by: Marc | Jun 28, 2014 3:09:45 AM | 57

Yup.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 7:27 utc | 59

Posted by: Marc | Jun 28, 2014 3:09:45 AM | 57

Don't be silly. Russia's banking system is fully integrated. Russia is a member of the IMF and the WTO.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 7:27 utc | 60

Posted by: Massinissa | Jun 27, 2014 9:18:48 PM | 48

"If we all stop feeding Cold Hole maybe he will get bored and go away?"

I would recommend the same with "somebody". It's trolling is much more numerous and disruptive than "Cold Hole".

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 7:48 utc | 61

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russias-petro-ruble-challenges-us-dollar-hegemony-china-seeks-development-of-eurasian-trade/5377086 Russia’s Petro-Ruble Challenges US Dollar Hegemony. China Seeks Development of Eurasian Trade

"Russia has just dropped another bombshell, announcing not only the de-coupling of its trade from the dollar, but also that its hydrocarbon trade will in the future be carried out in rubles and local currencies of its trading partners – no longer in dollars – see Voice of Russia

Russia’s trade in hydrocarbons amounts to about a trillion dollars per year. Other countries, especially the BRICS and BRCIS-associates (BRICSA) may soon follow suit and join forces with Russia, abandoning the ‘petro-dollar’ as trading unit for oil and gas. This could amount to tens of trillions in loss for demand of petro-dollars per year (US GDP about 17 trillion dollars – December 2013) – leaving an important dent in the US economy would be an understatement.

Added to this is the declaration today by Russia’s Press TV – China will re-open the old Silk Road as a new trading route linking Germany, Russia and China, allowing to connect and develop new markets along the road, especially in Central Asia, where this new project will bring economic and political stability, and in Western China provinces,where “New Areas” of development will be created. The first one will be the Lanzhou New Area in China’s Northwestern Gansu Province, one of China’s poorest regions."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/dollar-hegemony-and-monetary-geopolitics-the-symbiosis-between-global-finance-and-power-politics-2/5362357 Dollar Hegemony,“Monetary Geopolitics” and the IMF: The Symbiosis between Global Finance and Power Politics

"In geopolitical terms, during the Cold War period, the Dollar hegemony “held the American alliance system and the world economy together… [because] America’s major allies and economic partners were willing to hold dollars for political as well as for economic reasons” (Engdahl, 2006). Therefore, the privileged position of the dollar has been “a key contributor to US global hegemony” (Oxford Analytica, 2008) for it provides advantages derived from the Federal Reserve’s absolute monopoly of the printing of a currency needed by countless national economies to survive (Engdahl, 2003).

Thus, thanks to of its wealth, “America has been able to irresistibly influence all the other players on the geopolitical chessboard because it has led the global economy, and historically it could therefore greatly reward or severely punish in ways and to an extent no one else could” (Stroupe, 2006), attaining both political and diplomatic power, as well as formidable power projection capabilities.

For this reason, “America’s dominant position as the sole superpower ultimately rests upon two pillars: its overwhelming military superiority and its control of the global economic system by the unique role of the dollar as the World Reserve Currency” (Clark, 2005)."

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 7:58 utc | 62

add to Posted by: Marc | Jun 28, 2014 3:09:45 AM | 57
You are right about Senator Corker representing the finance industry. They are exposed should the shale gas bubble burst

The financial times here tries to put a positive spin on it

In other words, shale gas exploration is like industries such as biotech and green energy, which have attracted huge inflows of capital despite turning out to produce low returns. US investors have thus financed projects that would have a much harder time in more risk-averse economies.

Silicon Valley’s venture capitalists have had a notably poor experience in green energy. Kleiner Perkins, which recruited Al Gore, the former vice-president to help invest in the field, has experienced a number of failures.

The FT’s weekend editorial on Silicon Valley and efforts by international cities to imitate its advantages emphasized this financing gap.

US venture capitalists are enthusiastic risk-takers and its capital markets reward successful companies that make it to IPOs with high ratings. The willingness to bet a lot on an untested venture is deeply rooted in the US business culture and start-ups in Europe often face a more sceptical investor climate.

Shale gas exploration is another example of what would be called financial recklessness in Europe but ends up benefiting the US economy.

This here is Bloomberg sounding negative

The U.S. drive for energy independence is backed by a surge in junk bonds that has been as vital to the boom as the breakthroughs in drilling technology. While the high-yield debt market has doubled in size since the end of 2004, the amount issued by exploration and production companies has grown ninefold, according to Barclays (BCS). That’s what keeps the shale revolution going even as companies spend money far faster than they make it. “There’s a lot of Kool-Aid that’s being drunk now by investors,” says Tim Gramatovich, chief investment officer of Peritus Asset Management. “People lose their discipline. They stop doing the math. They stop doing the accounting. They’re just dreaming the dream, and that’s what’s happening with the shale boom.”
And this is exactly what Biden, Kolomoisky and the war on Slaviansk are about. Sure, "foreign relations" are another cover put on business interests.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 7:59 utc | 63

somebody 50

Not true at all. EU do what obama wants, dont fool yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 28 2014 8:05 utc | 64

This here is a letter from Senator Corker

A much better option for weakening Putin is to export American hydraulic fracturing technology to our Ukrainian allies so they can develop their own domestic shale gas resources. Ukraine has more than 40 trillion cubic feet of technically recoverable natural gas. Such resources could come online years before the first LNG tanker ship leaves an American port.
And this here is Biden's (the father) Shale Gas Initiative
During his two-day visit this week to Kiev, Ukraine, Vice President Joe Biden unfurled President Barack Obama's “U.S. Crisis Support Package for Ukraine.”

A key part of the package involves promoting the deployment of hydraulic fracturing (“fracking”) in Ukraine. Dean Neu, professor of accounting at York University in Toronto, describes this phenomenon in his book “Doing Missionary Work.” And in this case, it involves the U.S. acting as a modern-day missionary to spread the gospel of fracking to further its own interests.
...
The U.S. oil and gas industry has long lobbied to “weaponize” its fracking prowess to fend off Russian global gas market dominance. It's done so primarily in two ways.

One way: by transforming the U.S. State Department into a global promoter of fracking via its Unconventional Gas Technical Engagement Program (formerly the Global Shale Gas Initiative), which is a key, albeit less talked about, part of President Obama's “Climate Action Plan.”

The other way: by exporting U.S. fracked gas to the global market, namely EU countries currently heavily dependent on Russia's gas spigot.


And sure - Obama has cleared the way for US gas exports.


Posted by: somebody | Jun 28 2014 8:31 utc | 65

A trickle now, wait for winter ...
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Four hundred Ukrainian soldiers went over to the Donetsk People's Republic (DNR), Sergey Kavtaradze, special representative of the DNR's PM, said.

"Yesterday, a military formation that amounted to 400 soldiers surrendered to 15 soldiers of the militia. The skirmish lasted for seven hours. No militia's soldiers were killed," Sergey Kavtaradze said.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_28/Kiev-military-unit-in-Donetsk-surrenders-to-militia-5505/

Posted by: x | Jun 28 2014 12:20 utc | 66

I could be wrong, but why roll out an expensive anti-sanctions publicity campaign? Mike Maloney at 24.

No knowledge of the quoted campaign, but Big US Corps and Biz are suffering from cancelled contracts in many areas, also in lack of interest/trade, and sort of ‘sanctions’ informally applied, and projections are dim (see last quarter GDP loss - huge..though excuses / explanations have been put forward and GDP is a poor measure.)

This is all very disastrous and just a beginning. One cancelled contract leads to loss of the customer who then gets cosy with others, etc.

One of the tensions, i.e. different factions, I see in US politics right now is G. Bush was a Chamber of Commerce Man (those who are going bats now!) and an oil-linked-to-Saudi Man, whereas, by contrast, Obama is a stooge for Wall Street.

Wall Street, or the financial nexus (as opposed to the military complex etc.) doesn’t like disruptions either, and at the same time aspires to certain kind of hegemony, so they hesitate. (They skim off the top in many areas but some of these are real life like oil, commodity trading, etc.) But have no clue..Obama reflects that.

See Syria red lines, backing off, over and over, now “vetted clean” ?? rebels etc., one half measure after another, a shifting policy that makes no sense. Plus his insistence on alternative energy (fracking which is only a bubble in land ownership, etc.) Obama’s policies actually lead to more unemployment in the US.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 28 2014 14:06 utc | 67

Not true at all. EU do what obama wants, dont fool yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 28, 2014 4:05:06 AM | 63

Exactly. Someone is finally getting it. This is precisely why France sold the Mistral Helicopter Carriers to Russia as scheduled.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Jun 28 2014 15:56 utc | 68

once again kiev/nato facists shoot at Russia
http://rt.com/news/169100-ukraine-shells-russia-checkpoint/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 28 2014 15:56 utc | 69

@60, why the hate for "somebody"? He at least makes insightful contributions and links to interesting sites. But CNH is a charity case. He's one of those crazy people wearing three coats, alternately muttering to themselves or shouting at thin air.

Posted by: ruralito | Jun 28 2014 17:59 utc | 70

ruralito

I agree. "somebody" is one of the better commentators here imo.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 28 2014 18:03 utc | 71

@ #69, #70:

Indeed. He is an indispensable contributor, IMO.

And he keeps us informed on viewpoints in Germany. Whereas b writes as if Germany has nothing to do with anything, from what I've read of his posts. Whereas of course a large part of what the Ukraine crisis is about is a the Empire wanting to destroy Germany's ties with Russia.

Also, NATO's open support of fascists should eventually make Germans understand that submitting to NATO is not morally any more acceptable than having submitted to the Nazis.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 28 2014 18:40 utc | 72

http://tinyurl.com/lh3r98t Strelkov Interview & Statement

Also:

http://tinyurl.com/l5ga86g The war in the South East Online 28.06.2014 Chronicle of events (post updated)

Many gathered reports on recent events in Novorossia.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 19:02 utc | 73

@scalawag #72:

Do you have Alzheimer's? You used to know how to do links properly.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 28 2014 19:17 utc | 74

http://tinyurl.com/q2qx8d7 Naryshkin reminded about business Poroshenko in Russia

"A large part of his past business the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko was carried out on the territory of Russia, said the Chairman of the state Duma Sergey Naryshkin, commenting on the words Poroshenko that Russian society hates Ukraine.

"Very successfully worked his plants, and it is unlikely it would be so, if, as he said, the population of Russia, and especially regional authorities it would be hated as a representative of the Ukrainian people.

"Secondly, Poroshenko said that Russian society hates Ukraine. Of course, this is not to say the least. Obviously, one of the assistants who wrote him this part of my speech, absolutely does not know the history, culture, mentality of the two fraternal peoples of the two Orthodox Slavic peoples, and, apparently, this part of the speech he wrote assistant with, I would say, Anglo-Saxon civilization code," said speaker of the state Duma.

Earlier on Saturday Naryshkin has accused the West in concealing the truth about events in Ukraine and stated that "someone in Kiev" punitive operations could push the PACE's decision to deprive the Russian delegation of the voting rights. According to him, the so-called North Atlantic solidarity reduces not only the credibility of Europe, but also in its role as the historical centre of global development."

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 19:52 utc | 75

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNJaAeutPd4 Сводка новостей Новороссии (ДНР,ЛНР) 28 июня 2014 / Summary of the Novorossia news 28.06.2014

Also:

http://tinyurl.com/kzjkdm2 Music video: "Ukraine - red code"

Fedor Slava

This video is being censored by youtube using their "age restricted" routine to prevent viewing by non-youtube members on the youtube site. Very "New York waiter" of the "exceptionals" there.

The youtube site also recently deleted the Voice of Sevastopol's channel at youtube using the same fraudulent BS they used to delete ANNA's channel. Again, very "New York waiter" of the "exceptionals" there.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 20:11 utc | 76

Poroshenko is the puppet of Obama whose foreign policy is run by the State Department. The Right Sector are US enforcement goons watching over Poroshenko (and anyone else). Even if the ATO ended tomorrow, the Ukraine economy would still have a bleak future. But the US doesn't care because it's ultimate goal is placing NATO troops on Ukraine soil.
If the past six months has taught us anything, it is that the EU is also a US puppet. Regardless of what happens with the Ukraine economy, the EU agreement will stay in place.

Posted by: Al Neum | Jun 28 2014 21:05 utc | 77

Shale gas from the US? Let's exmine the numbers of this fantasy:

Now anyone can check this for themselves in about 5 mins. If you want to do more then you can simply download BP's excellent energy statistical report.

So what are numbers. Well the US has had an increase in oil and gas production (at great cost) from 'fracking', despite that the US needed to import 8.884 thousand barrels per day of oil in 2013.

8,884 tbpd is a heck of a lot of oil, that is greater than the production of Iran, or Iraq or Kuwait (not far off the total production of all 3). It is 77% of the total production of Saudi Arabia.

So don't expect the US to be exporting any oil soon.....

And gas? Well again they have increased production (again at great expense because fracking is insanely expensive) but they still had to import about 50 billion cubic meters in 2013....That's greater than Australia's entire production of gas.....

So don't expect them to exporting gas anytime soon.....Plus the fracking boom is ending because the costs are becoming so high. The trouble with it is that you only get oil or gas for a short period of time (2-5 years) then it drops off very quickly. Therefore you need to put in more and more wells. There is a great chart I've seen somewhere (Zero Hedge I think) that shows the exponential growth in drilling rigs (and hence capital costs), but total production is increasing at every slower rates...a Red Queens' race.

Shell for example has written down or sold off its US oil/gas shale reserves....because they can't make any money out of it.

So it is all nonsense.

Posted by: OldSkeptic | Jun 28 2014 21:50 utc | 78

The geopolitics simplified:

http://voicesevas.ru/img/4da3176b2fe01f77e3288a5637c78033.jpg

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 28 2014 22:38 utc | 79

#69,#70,#71. I will ditto your comments. Somebody engages in rational discussion, avoids ad hominem arguments, and provides interesting links. His detractors are full of spite and hurl personal insults whenever their party line is violated.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 28 2014 22:42 utc | 80

Interesting article: Kiev Is Starting a War to Avoid a Revolution

While the Kiev junta is waging war against its own people in the Southeast, throughout the country protests are growing due to a catastrophic drop in the standard of living of the populace. An increase in all utility rates is coming July 1. In particular, gas prices for the population of Ukraine will go up by 55-70%; hot water and heating by 40%; electricity by 10-40%, depending on consumption volumes; and centralized water supply and sewage by 78-96%. The greatest increase is expected in Kiev, where on July 1 the price of hot water for Kievans will increase by almost 70% and the price of centralized heating will increase by almost 60%...

At the same time, the IMF is demanding a rise in rates for the public «to an economically justified level», that is, total elimination of the system of state subsidies in the utilities field. Given that even now the total debt of the population of Kiev, the richest city in Ukraine, is approaching $80 million, the new rates will be completely unbearable for Ukrainians...

At the same time, as Ukrainian Prime Minister A. Yatsenyuk has stated, the government will freeze the amount of the minimum wage and the poverty line.


Posted by: guest77 | Jun 29 2014 2:16 utc | 81

http://www.globalresearch.ca/reality-denial-apologetics-for-western-imperial-violence/32066 Reality Denial : Apologetics for Western-Imperial Violence

"It is amusing to see how eagerly the establishment media have welcomed Steven Pinker’s 2011 tome, The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined,[1] which explains not only that “violence has been in decline for long stretches of time,” but that “we may be living in the most peaceful era in our species’ existence.”[2]

A professor in the Department of Psychology at Harvard University since 2002 and a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist in the general nonfiction category,[3] Pinker’s lovable theme coincides with the Nobel Peace Laureate’s current engagement in wars on at least four separate continents (Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America); his regretful partial withdrawal from invaded and occupied Iraq; his victorious termination of the 2011 war in Libya; his buildup and threats to engage in even larger wars with Syria and Iran, both already underway with aggressive sanctions and an array of covert actions;[4] his semi-secret and ever-widening use of remote-controlled aerial gunships and death squads in global killing operations;[5] and his declaration of the right to kill any person anywhere for “national security” reasons—officially making the entire world a U.S. free-fire-zone.[6] The Barack Obama regime, and before it the Bush-Cheney regime, have also supported and protected Israel’s escalated ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, and the hostile U.S. actions and threats involving Iran and Syria are closely geared with those of Israel.

Pinker’s treatment of the “Muslim world” is also perfectly aligned with that of his government’s and Israel’s policy, and seriously misrepresents past and current events. In what we regard as no better than an anti-Muslim rant, he devotes six pages to Islam’s alleged historical, political, and cultural backwardness, as well as to its violent proclivities—and even its “genocidal” ideology.[96] (362-368)

“The Rights Revolutions are the liberal revolutions,” Pinker tells us. “Each has been associated with liberal movements, and each is currently distributed along a gradient that runs, more or less, from Western Europe to the blue American states to the red American states to the democracies of Latin America and Asia and then to the more authoritarian countries, with Africa and most of the Islamic world pulling up the rear.” (475) We doubt that the canonical Orientalist map of the world has ever been expressed more succinctly.[110]"

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 29 2014 3:01 utc | 82

Russian Spring

Slavyansk. 06/28/2014-21:18

Strelkov:

In the course on night, in violation of so called “cease-fire”, 10 unmanned aircraft were continuously flying reconnaissance missions over “Slavyansk”.

In the morning, opponent planes dropped on parachutes military cargo in the area of “Kramatorsk”. The anti-aircraft forces of the combatants did not open fire.

The opponent went on shuffling military columns along “Khar`kov”-“Rostov” highway in area of block-posts “B3S and “Vostochniy” (numbers 3 and 4 per opponent’s nomenclature). Reconnaissance data on one of these columns disclosed that frontier positions were delivered great number of artillery ordnance intended for shelling combatants’ positions. Because this activity is violation of the “cease-fire” agreement, the column was struck by mortar fire in the area of block-post “Vostochniy”. In the area of the fore mentioned block-post, an established mortar unit of the opponent shelled village “Semenovka”, this was retaliated by mortar and artillery fire; the opponent sustained losses.

Along the day, the reconnaissance of combatants was detecting transfers of military personal and hardware in proximities of “Slavyansk” and “Kramatorsk”. The opponent is set to take over settlement “Yampol`”.

The garrison of “Slavyansk” issues a warning that now and on will not tollerate use the regiment of “cease-fire” to prepare for storming their positions.

On other sites, the combatants maintain the regiment of “cease-fire” limiting the activities by monitoring Ukrainian military formations.


Posted by: Fete | Jun 29 2014 3:37 utc | 83

Germany eases immigration rules for Ukrainian Jews
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-06-26/germany-eases-immigration-rules-for-ukrainian-jews

How strange, could it be because west support the nazis that came to power in ukraine?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 29 2014 7:53 utc | 84

So what sanctions are coming this week as eu threatened with last week?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 29 2014 8:53 utc | 85

The EU as US puppet. Certainly and it has always been the case. In fact the EU was set up so as to have a structure that would make Europe easier to manipulate: a) no need to deal with various factions, nations, that might have different interests, b) get rid of the nation state and away from the ppl of those nations who after all elect their pols, c) create a class of very highly paid super-ordinate cadres, technocrats, whose main interest will be defending their own bacon, and see to it that to do so they reach consensus, d) see to it that elections/the structure of parliament etc. are such so that it is impossible for a strong contestant block to form. So the cadres can do nothing but defend and expand (in size, power, influence, finance) the structure within which they work! For this to happen, they must bow to …the Master! The accord with Ukraine and the others goes exactly in this direction, in fact it is going to cost the EU a bomb, they can’t really afford it, not that they will give or lend the amounts necessary. As pointed out by many, it is more of a political matter than anything to do with values, trade, etc. The Ukrainians are in for a rude awakening (see guest 77 at 80), in fact the whole story from the beginning of Maidan to now seems to have been engineered to achieve the present result.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 29 2014 9:35 utc | 86

Putin 'would be killed' if he came here #Ukraine parliament deputy says on TV
http://on.rt.com/n0kq12

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 29 2014 12:16 utc | 87

amazing: ex Ukrainian ex 'defence' minister calls for the assassination of Putin
the madness of the UKraine just took another leap downward....imagine the outrage if he used the name Obama
http://rt.com/news/169160-ukraine-mp-putin-kill/

Posted by: brian | Jun 29 2014 12:44 utc | 88

Judging from Colds latest attempts at reasoned discourse,he's afflicted with Zionism,a mental disease among ethnics who actually believe in their claims of specialness despite mucho evidence to the contrary.Viewing snuff videos;Yeah,like the journalists on the hill at Cast Lead.
And the Graun;It seems every BS negative comment about Russia comes from Zio,Femi and homo Nazis,a most interesting development in our underdeveloped western world of hypocrisy,as these mentally confused care not one whit for the(imaginary) victims they crow about,only stupid pathetic sexual identification,greed and historical hatreds.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 29 2014 15:32 utc | 89

scalawag;Remember the NY waiter has to deal with NY diners,of whom most are of the 1% as the rubes do takeout,and that 1% stink to high heaven,although they think they are roses.I'm a native.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 29 2014 15:42 utc | 90

When is Pinker going to quote the old testament,the most hateful diatribe of overweaning monsters in religious history,unmatched by any other tome?Oh,he's an atheist,except for Israel.
Solution for modern harmony.Reduce Jewish voices in world press to their population percentage(except Israel,of course,they can revel in sh*t all they want),this way prejudice will be curtailed,and lies subsided.Uh.oh,next month is the month of July.Oh,Julio Cesar,they mock you.

Posted by: dahoit | Jun 29 2014 15:51 utc | 91

According to the German media there are demonstrations at the Maidain today - AGAINST the cease fire!!! Imagine that. They want Poroshenko to declare a state of war and for him to get better weapons for the right wing milizia.

Who could have thought that. :-(

Posted by: Fran | Jun 29 2014 16:34 utc | 92

Fran

There is something very wrong with alot of people in ukraine, doesnt seems to be quite right mentally.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 29 2014 16:43 utc | 93

Anonymus @93

I agree with you. However, just read a comment in der Spiegel that in Lughansk people were demonstrating for peace.

Sad, that the West is supporting the warmongers.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 29 2014 17:11 utc | 94

@ Fran

the 'West' created the warmongers... at least Victoria Nuland takes credit for their creation.

Posted by: crone | Jun 29 2014 20:54 utc | 95

@Anonymous #93:

There is something very wrong with alot of people in ukraine, doesnt seems to be quite right mentally.

Ukrainian nationalists are at least as bad as the worst German Nazis were during WW II.
Have a look at the picture on this blog of the woman posing happily in front of the Odessa labor union building after the massacre occurred.

Here is an excellent English language article on the Ukraine crisis that led me to that:

America Seems to Be Losing Ukraine’s War

Posted by: Demian | Jun 29 2014 20:57 utc | 96

That demonstration in Kiev today is an interesting development. This is from the rt.com article:

Over 1,000 protesters led by the Ukrainian army’s Donbass Battalion fighters gathered for a rally in central Kiev on Sunday. The demonstrators are demanding that President Petro Poroshenko end the ceasefire and impose martial law... [and] They added that if the president didn't “hear [their] demands,” they would “consider him a traitor of the country” and “he will share the same fate as [ousted President Viktor] Yanukovich.”

This is a real threat to Poroshenko's authority. Above I expressed optimism that he was interested in a negotiated settlement with eastern Ukrainians. It just might be that what he wants to accomplish is irrelevant if he cannot control Right Sector. What is worth noting about this article, is that the demonstrators include active duty soldiers that have been fighting in eastern Ukraine. Who gave them leave to abandon their positions? Could it be that the commanders of those forces are releasing troops to Kiev to pressure Poroshenko. In any other country on earth that would be considered a mutiny. This might be another big piece of evidence that he does not control the military.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 29 2014 21:08 utc | 97

Demian

You are 100% right, I was about to write about how alike the people in ukraine act to the nazis in germany.
I cant come up with another state in the world having such crazy, evil views. Can anyone else?

Where did it go wrong for these ukrainains? Brainwashing?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 29 2014 21:17 utc | 98

toivos

kiev USE right sector and other thugs to kill "rebels", I thought that was obvious?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 29 2014 21:36 utc | 99

@Anonymous #98:

The other main national group that hates Russians is Latvians. I think it is significant that both the Latvians and the Ukrainians are a peasant people. There languages took on a written form very late, as far as Europe goes. A Ukrainian dictionary wasn't even published until the first decade of the 20th century.

Thus, there is no such thing as an authentic Ukrainian high culture: it is all peasant, low culture. There is thus nothing substantial to base Ukrainian identity on. The only thing it can be based on is hatred of the dominant culture and nationality: Russian. Ukrainian culture is a culture of resentment.

So the situation with Ukrainian nationalism is actually much worse than it was with German Nazis. It is very easy for Germans to base their identity on something other than fascism and racism, but those two ideologies are the only things that the Ukrainians have to work with. If they weren't racists and fascists, they would think of themselves as Russians.

This is why it is hard for me to see how there can be peace in Europe so long as a Ukrainian state exists. At no point did the Ukrainian political elite appear willing to come to terms with the fact that the geographical region of the Ukraine contains people of different ethnicities.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 29 2014 21:58 utc | 100

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