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June 15, 2014
Ukraine: Echoes Of The Third Reich – Yatsenyuk’s “Subhumans”

Updated below

Wikipedia – Untermensch:

Untermensch (German for under man, sub-man, sub-human; plural: Untermenschen) is a term that became infamous when the Nazis used it to describe "inferior people" often referred to as "the masses from the East," that is Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs; including Poles, Serbs, Belarusians, Russians, and Rusyns. The term was also applied to black people and Mulattos. Jewish people were to be exterminated in the Holocaust, just as Slavs in Generalplan Ost, who were destined to be removed from European territory under German control through murder and ethnic cleansing.

Embassy of Ukraine in the United States of America – Ukraine’s Prime Minister Yatsenyuk: We will commemorate the heroes by cleaning our land from the evil:

“They lost their lives because they defended men and women, children and the elderly who found themselves in a situation facing a threat to be killed by invaders and sponsored by them subhumans. First, we will commemorate the heroes by wiping out those who killed them and then by cleaning our land from the evil”, – he said.

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Update:

I: The Embassy has non changed the text quoted above and substituted "subhumans" by "inhumans". We had expected such editing and therefore provided the screenshot of the original publication.

II: We can now add "Lebensraum" to the Ukrainian government's echoes of the Third Reich:

Ukraine's Land Agency give land to soldiers in the east for free

Land parcels will be given out for free to the servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other military formations, as well as to the employees of Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine that are defending territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country in eastern and southeastern regions of Ukraine.

Wasn't Land im Osten (land in the east) what the Third Reich also promised to volunteer soldiers?

Comments

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 2:43:45 AM | 99
No, Nuland and Poroshenko want sanctions, EU don’t. You don’t sanction yourself out of business. They did it with Iran, but that was a fraction of European business and did not really hurt. It would be like sanctioning Saudi Arabia out of the weapons trade. Europe will have to continue to buy Russian gas. If Russia takes the money they get from there and shops elsewhere …
France will deliver the Mistral. Things would change if Russia invades Ukraine. That’s why the US and Ukraine’s present government are all for Russia doing just that. Russia cutting off the gas presumably is enough to get things down to reality.
Yanukovich is gone but not not the oligarchs that were backing him. This is the clearest description of Ukraine’s political system I could find.

For most in Europe or America, names of Ukrainian oligarchs such as Pinchuk, Kolomoisky, and Akhmetov are interchangeable with Russian counterparts such as Abramovich, Deripaska, and Khodorkovsky. Wealth they may have in common but the crucial difference is in Ukraine their interests are interwoven with politics. This appears to be a worthwhile pursuit for the wealthy: it provides the prospect of influencing decision-making for your own advantage. Holding your own seat in parliament offers handy immunity from prosecution. Their Russian equivalents are allowed no such role or benefits: Khodorkovsky spent his years in jail because he attempted involve himself in the affairs of government; another, Berezovsky was exiled and eventually ruined in part because of his attempts to stand up to the Kremlin.
But now, in the face of today’s crisis, Ukraine needs its oligarchs to disengage from politics. Their political involvement is what has helped drive their country to division and economic crisis, because of the way – unlike in Russia — the political pendulum is able to swing in favour of one group and then their opponents. Those oligarchs that have funded more Russian-facing candidates, because their business interests are dependent primarily on trade with Russia, benefited over the last four years during the presidency of Viktor Yanukovich. During that time their western-friendly rivals were confronted with court cases, tax demands and invasive audits, damaging their interests. When Yanukovich’s western-leaning predecessor Viktor Yushchenko was in office it was they who enjoyed the spoils of a friendly government while their more Russian-leaning rivals suffered.
Now, as Russia digs in in Crimea, some of Ukraine’s oligarchs have rallied to the cause of their country’s territorial integrity. They have publicly stated they stand for the territorial integrity of Ukraine and will help defend it. Yet this alone is insufficient unity to benefit to the country in the long-term, and smells of self-interest. After all, none would be able to engage in politics in any future Ukraine dominated by Vladimir Putin.

Western Ukrainian right wingers and the Eastern People’s Republics share their interest in getting rid of oligarchs and corruption. They are intentionally split along the lines of language and history. That’s why Swoboda and Right Sector are in play, though they have minuscule votes and are anti EU.
When people realise that their interest is good relations with Russia and the EU (something the EU promotes), and that their politicians try to split them against their interest, that’s it.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 7:26 utc | 101

@Anonymous #99:
Sanctions are pretty much a side show at this point. As the Saker noted, Juan wrote that Kramatorsk is being flattened. So the Saker’s take now is that Russia has to intervene; it will just put off doing so as long as possible, to give the fascists enough time to commit atrocities and war crimes on a level which would constitute a causus belli for Russia that even EU politicians would a a hard time denying.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 17 2014 7:29 utc | 102

Somebody
No? I just gave you a link saying that.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 7:36 utc | 103

Demian
Lets see what the gas cuts generate, ukraine will destroy itself no need for russia to intervene

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 7:40 utc | 104

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 3:36:43 AM | 102
And I just explained why I think your link gives a wrong impression of reality. Iran (press tv) would love Europe to sanction Russia – go figure. Somehow Iran’s and the Neocon’s interest frequently seem to be aligned :-)) (except for regime change in Iran)
The interesting part is that Kolomoisky now wants to build a wall on the border to Russia. The original iron wall was built by the Soviet Union because the could not compete economically and tried to keep their workforce working for an uncompetitive standard of living.
Now consider this

With Russia, Ukraine has the second largest migration corridor in the world (the US Mexico corridor being the largest).

In that comparison, it would be Mexico trying to close the border, not the US.
Politically, Mexico would not survive this. Nor will Ukraine. Nor will the industries of Eastern Ukrainian oligarchs.
Russia announced they will build their own weapons suppliers to become independent of Ukraine – guess where they will get the workforce from.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 8:05 utc | 105

Somebody
I am not talking about presstv iam talking us and eu plan more sanctions
Have you already forgot eu have been pro every sanctions on russia?
That iran want war between russia and us i also wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 8:15 utc | 106

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 4:15:43 AM | 105
I don’t know how well acquainted you are with “somebody”, but it is Israeli spam. It’s a waste of time responding to it. Have you ever tried arguing with one of those telephone auto message programs? Same thing. 😉

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 17 2014 8:27 utc | 107

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 4:15:43 AM | 105
Do you always believe what people say? Better watch what they do.
This here is the pro-Kyiv psy-ops propagandist

It’s a good plan. With two conditions: if the border really is blocked securely, and if the insurgent bases across Donbas will be blocked during the cease-fire (not like in Sloviansk). Without the fulfillment of these conditions, the plan does not make sense.
2. For several days now, reformatting of the ATO has been underway. I cannot say how much more effective the “new format” will be compared to what we’ve seen so far–life teaches us to evaluate the results. Since, in the words of our generals, everything is always okay.
But it seems that the rise to power of the legitimate president has nonetheless awakened our strategists from hibernation, [they] began to stir. If only for the benefit of business.
3. And once again about the state border. In recent days, the process of blocking of Russian border has been performed by essentially a new State Border Service. It’s still not fully updated, but it’s in process.
Already, the newly-created motor-maneuverable groups are working. The border control guards work on their close cooperation with the Army during armed confrontations with terrorists. The Learning Center of the State Border Service begins training professionals in “military” specialities–those necessary for paramilitary border security.
This is undoubtedly positive. Ukraine will not sleep soundly until the border with Russia is under “lock.”

Have a look at the map. How likely is this going to happen till “end of next week” if at all.
Consider this

At the end of Fiscal Year 2010, the Department of Homeland Security reported it had operational control over only 13 percent of the border, or 1,107 of the 8,607 miles across U.S. northern, southwest, and coastal borders.1 For the U.S.- Mexican border, 44 percent of the 2000-miles were under operational control.

Good luck. With Crimea Ukrainian-Russian border length presumably is comparable now.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 8:36 utc | 108

I have a question. I came across this comment in the FAZ:
Ukrainisch-russischer Gasstreit: Moskaus Preisformel – Ausland – FAZ

Nach Aussagen einer ukrainischen Politikerin, Olga Kowitidi, hat der IWF die Ukraine über das Strukturanpassungsprogramm gezwungen das gesamte Gazstransportnetz an die US-Firma Chevron (gehört zum Rockefeller-Imperium) zu übergeben. Mit welchem Recht? Sollte nicht nach einer öffentlich-weltweiten Ausschreibung der beste Anbieter den Zuschlag erhalten, zum Wohle der Ukraine und nicht primär zum Wohle der USA. Und dann sind da auch noch der Sohn des US-Vizepräsidenten R. Hunter Biden und der Stiefsohn von Johne Kerry Aufsichtsräte in der Firma Burisma Holdings, die angeblich die meisten ukrainischen Gasunternehmen übernommen hat. Präsident Obama sieht darin keinerlei Voreilsnahme und evtl. Interessenskonflikte!! Sind dies die “humanitären Gründe” für Amerikas Intervention in der Ukraine??

Saying that according to the Ukrainian politician Olga Kowitidi, IWF forced the Ukraine to hand over the pipelines to Chevron.
Has anyone else heard this and is it true? It would at least explain why all of a sudden the US (McCaine visit in Bulgaria) is fighting the South Stream pipeline.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 17 2014 8:46 utc | 109

@ scalawag: somebody is not Israeli scam, he’s way too anti-Israel (regarding their real politics) and too uninformed/intelligent for that. He’s more probably a low-level spammer in some UK/US subsidiary.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 17 2014 9:17 utc | 110

There is a parallel between the recent election in Ukraine and the one which happened in Egypt.
In both case, the governement remains the same, while the “democratic process” is supposed to be in the consensual nomination of a president above it.

Posted by: Mina | Jun 17 2014 9:17 utc | 111

should be “unitelligent” above, typo…

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 17 2014 9:18 utc | 112

@ Mina: in Egypt there was indeed an election and the people’s actual favourite has won legitimately. The only reason to dispute that would be if you were working for MI-6 and would have preferred the british puppet Morsi to stay.
In Ukraine there was no real election, but just a dog-and-pony show to install an American puppet. Totally contrived fake event that changed absolutely nothing (you still have the same fascists in the so-called “government”).

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 17 2014 9:22 utc | 113

Posted by: Fran | Jun 17, 2014 4:46:47 AM | 108
As far as I can tell it is Russian psyops. Olga Kowitidi is the pro Russian /now Russian Vice President from Crimea.
But yes, the sale of Naftogaz – they own the pipelines – and a pipeline lease – is an issue. Naturally, Gazprom is interested, it is their policy to own the pipelines. Last this was tried was Yanukovich in 2013.
This is what people on the ground are dying for.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 9:42 utc | 114

Somebody
Yes when nuland say they plan more sanctions i belive her.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 9:45 utc | 115

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17, 2014 5:42:11 AM | 113

“As far as I can tell it is Russian psyops. Olga Kowitidi is the pro Russian /now Russian Vice President from Crimea.”

LOL, Israeli anti-Russian smear tactics.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 17 2014 9:56 utc | 116

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 5:45:06 AM | 115
I will believe that Nuland has this power when France will not sell those Mistral ships to Russia. Just checked, the sale is still on.
In the meantime Pipeline blast in Poltawa, Ukraine
Right Sector? It is not the first explosion.
Gazprom shares look good. German paper of record uttering veiled threats should Ukraine not pay for gas. South Stream pipeline definitively on.
Victoria Nuland can try to invent reality, the rest of the world does not have to agree with her.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 13:23 utc | 117

How important are those ships? My impression was that Russia has more than enough of such tech, I see no real issues there besides senseless posturing.
I also think that south stream will be built, or worst case just delayed for a while. Europe won’t commit suicide just to make the old dragon of Londonium happy.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 17 2014 13:57 utc | 118

somebody
You are a bit too optimistic, especially when eu/us havent rejected to impose any sanctions yet. Bulgaria recently ended the pipeline just beucase of the sanctions.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 14:06 utc | 119

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 10:06:52 AM | 119
Do you know what “lip service” is?
The EU and the USSR poked pipelines into the eyes of uncle Sam under cold war conditions, they will not do it any differently this time.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 14:19 utc | 120

somebody
You seriously imply that there will be no more sanctions on Russia as nuland just announced?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 14:55 utc | 121

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 10:55:33 AM | 121
“Sectoral sanctions” maybe by the US, possibly further sanctions on individuals by the EU. I think Germany-France is out. I don’t think Britain is keen. I don’t see the US sanctioning Europe for not sanctioning Russia. There just is not that much the US can do. They want an EU/US free trade agreement.
The situation would change if Russia invades Ukraine. That is why Ukraine tries to goad them into doing just that.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 15:20 utc | 122

somebody
And this you base on what?
Didnt eu accept as much sanctions on Iran? Iraq? Syria? Gaza?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 15:28 utc | 123

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17, 2014 11:28:10 AM | 123
me? I don’t decide on sanctions.
All I am saying, sanctions against Russia are against the fundamental resource thirst of the EU. It is not a matter of choosing between grapefruit or orange juice. It is a matter of survival.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 16:08 utc | 124

somebody
Same with Iran, where eu accepted sanctions on oil imports as for Syria too.
Well well, I guess we have to wait and see.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 17 2014 16:19 utc | 125

Lavrov will find it difficult find to stronger expressions if this keeps escalating.

“Instead of Poroshenko’s promised truce, we are now hearing from Kiev’s security officials, suggestions of a temporary ceasefire that would allow the so-called separatists to leave Ukrainian territory,” said Lavrov.
“This is not a negotiation, and this is not a national dialogue involving all parts of the country, this, fundamentally, a proposal for ethnic cleansing.”

Posted by: somebody | Jun 17 2014 17:09 utc | 127

Junta kills “subhuman” journalist:
“Vesti” confirmed the death of video engineer Anton Voloshin under Lugansk

Posted by: Demian | Jun 17 2014 18:49 utc | 128

The German president’s call to arms

On Saturday, German president Joachim Gauck reiterated his call for a more aggressive German foreign policy and more military interventions.
At the end of a three-day visit to Norway, Gauck told the radio station Deutschlandfunk that he had “the feeling that perhaps our country should set aside the restraint that prevailed in recent decades in favour of a greater acceptance of responsibility.”
Previously, he said, there had been “a well-founded reluctance on the part of Germans…to engage internationally in accordance with the size and economic importance of Germany”. That was no longer the case, because “Germany is a solid and reliable democracy and a state governed by law.”
Gauck repeatedly insisted on the greater use of the military. In “the struggle for human rights or the survival of innocent people it is sometimes necessary to resort to arms,” he said. This meant that it was necessary “not to exclude the use of military means from the outset.”
Gauck expressed similar positions last October on the anniversary of German unification, and then again at the Munich Security Conference in January. Now, he has repeated his call for a more active military role for Germany, under conditions in which armed conflicts are spiraling out of control in both Ukraine and Iraq.
Gauck was quite explicit that his concern was Germany’s imperialist interests rather than human rights. “If the federal government is now very active in the Ukraine conflict, this is exactly along the lines that I suggested,” he said.
In Ukraine, the German government supported a coup against the elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, and worked closely with fascists in the Svoboda Party and the Right Sector. Now, it is backing the new president, Petro Poroshenko, a multibillionaire oligarch, who is deploying the army against opposition in eastern Ukraine, intensifying the conflict with Russia and thereby risking a nuclear conflict.

Now that the ISIS has ‘drawn’ world media attention from Ukraine to Iraq … what is going to happen in Ukraine? The Saker seems to think that Putin, pushed to the wall (or orchestrating the push?) will be ‘forced’ to intervene in Ukraine. But Saker’s been rooting for that for a long time.
Still, I have the feeling I’m watching WW III begin.

Posted by: john francis lee | Jun 18 2014 2:45 utc | 129

@john francis lee #129:
I just read that piece by Saker. I’ve also read a few Russian language pieces about the same subject.
My main problem here is that if Russia sends in troops, I don’t see what the exit strategy can be. Russia would need to occupy Novorossia indefinitely. Many Russian troops would be killed. And taking military action would cement Uki nationalism into the broad Uki population, whereas I think that at present it is fairly mild with most Ukis, not full-blown fascism as it is with the junta.
The junta has announced that it wants to regain control of the border with Russia. If the resistance can prevent it from doing that, then the Uki forces and the freedom fighters will most likely continue to face a stalemate (with civilians being continuously killed by random Uki bombardment).
As someone on a Russian web site observed, if Russia does not intervene, many people will be killed, but if Russia does intervene, the number of deaths will probably be an order of magnitude higher.
The junta can’t go on flattening its own cities indefinitely. Flattening cities will not destroy the resistance, so long as the border with Russia remains porous.
And as a comment on that Saker thread observed, NATO must not be allowed to get Odessa, which it would if Russia only occupied Donbass, which is what it would probably restrict itself to if it intervened now.
Nicholas II’s defending his fellow Slavs, a comparison the Saker makes to the current situation, is not a good model. 😉

Posted by: Demian | Jun 18 2014 3:41 utc | 130

Posted by: john francis lee | Jun 17, 2014 10:45:39 PM | 129
:-)) we do not really listen to him. Yep, the US has been making the rounds that “Germany has to do more”. The Foreign Ministry has made a survey – Germans do not want to. Speeches by pastor Gauck will not change that. Germans do not wish to get close to Stalingrad again, apart from Russia not letting them.
I interprete this here as a polite “no” to raise defense spending at this stage

Germany may have to lift defense spending to counter future threats by Russia as Europe’s biggest economy faces U.S. pressure to build up its military, an ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel said.
Henning Otte, the parliamentary defense spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democrats in the lower house, said Germany contributes its fair share to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in missions such as Afghanistan and Kosovo. While spending levels aren’t the priority now, a worsening threat could prompt a debate on diverting more to defense, he said.
“We can back these capabilities with the current defense budget,” Otte said in an interview in Berlin on June 6. “Should the security situation intensify, then we would have to consider possibly increasing the defense budget.”

Posted by: somebody | Jun 18 2014 4:04 utc | 131

Russian Spring
Slavyansk.
Strelkov:

Approximately until 2 a.m., the mortar onslaught was carried on Slavyansk. Targeted were “Salt Plant” and “Semenovka”. Among combatants were two wounded, within civilians – 5 wounded, one severely.
According to preliminary data, Ukrainian artillery can “write down as accomplishment” that yesterday “Kramatorsk” offensive killed 10 peaceful civilians (8 right away and 2 died in a hospital) and seriously wounded more than 20. NO SINGLE COMBATANT HURT. Basically, the positions were no under the fire – the fire was purported for the “areas”, including by the true “Grad” (rockets) salvos.
Near “Yampolie” (“Pit-Field”), the opponent subjected our positions by the “Uragan” (a multiple rocket launcher). A “collection” of characteristic shards and pieces of empennage was brought me over. All miss – this time.
In regard to my announcements yesterday, I want to emphasize: did not overstate or understate gravity of situation a bit. Everything carefully weighed: every word, said or written.
Indeed believe (and do have grounds), we deal not with frank “sinking” of Novorossia by the President of Russian Federation, but rather systematic sabotage at oligarchic and top bureaucratic level. Because, for Putin, the total defeat of the South-East is objectively deadly dangerous either him being the leader of Russia or just an ordinary man – this would mean the beginning of “Miloshevich treck” (who “surrendered” that time in similar circumstances Bosnia and Kraina, and then had been finished off in Kosovo and naturally-illustratively “drained” in Hague.

Posted by: Fete | Jun 18 2014 4:06 utc | 132

Russia cannot afford to go down the nationalist route, she is simply too multi-ethnic for that
This survey may or may not reflect Russian reaction to the crisis in Ukraine, but Russia Today somehow thinks it is useful to publish it.

Russians believe the recent regime change in Ukraine was a nationalist and fascist coup, and its consequences have already changed attitudes towards nationalist groups inside Russia and abroad, according to the latest research.
The Politech agency has prepared the research paper ‘Ethnic issues in Russia in the context of Ukrainian crisis’ for the Public Chamber, Kommersant daily reports.
According to the poll, 53 percent of Russians understand the recent events in Ukraine as a nationalist coup and not as a democratic revolution. At the same time, 49 percent of respondents in Russia said that ethnic Russians in Ukraine should not form their own nationalist groups, but instead fight against all manifestations of nationalism.
Most Russians also said they did not support introducing visa regime with the ‘brotherly’ Ukrainian nation.
The attitude to Russian domestic nationalists has also changed for the worse – 58 percent of respondents described it as negative, compared to about 50 percent one year ago.
The Politech analysts noted that ethnic Russians were slightly more tolerant of nationalism than representatives of other peoples of the Russian Federation, but even among them the negative attitude to nationalism was dominant. When poll participants were asked to describe their current political preferences, only 2.5 percent said they would vote for a nationalist party.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 18 2014 4:14 utc | 133

Saker is a dumbass. He is like a puppy when it gets into a frenzy chasing its own tail. Then the buttload of comments about the usual right-wing nonsense etc., can’t process that much bull.
I don’t know who writes that “Strelkov” stuff, but whoever it is, I have a feeling he’s some kind of anti-russian asset. Either that or he’s playing an idiot in order to mislead the enemy, but that seems unlikely so far.
Or maybe his blog is hacked and someone’s writing funny stuff.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 18 2014 5:30 utc | 134

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 18, 2014 1:30:19 AM | 134
The intriguing fact about the crew running public relations for the Donetsk Republic – they are fans of historical reenactment.
So expect anything from the past – and just expect any Nazi reenactment from the other side.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 18 2014 5:53 utc | 135

And fete, you’re ill-informed about ex-Yugoslavia. Milosevic was the president of Serbia only and had nothing whatsoever to do with Serbs in Bosnia or Croatia. It’s like Texas and California or England and Scotland, separate states (or rather republics in this case), different dialects even.
Not that anyone there would listen to the old communist whore anyway, everyone knew him as a traitor, always in survival mode. His gang also never really helped the bosnian serbs fight the jihadists and croatian nazis. The only help there was, were a handful of volunteers from Serbia and Russia, but that was rather negligable.
Comparing that to today’s Russia is beyond ridiculous. Yugoslavia was a miniscule country with mere 20 Mio. people and had weaponry mostly from the 60’s and 70ies and zero economic power or other influence possibilities, having been sanctioned to death for several years (usual reasons, usual suspects). No big friends and allies who helped, UdSSR was freshly dead and disintegrating etc. The enemy was strongly financed and supported by the usual suspects, western media singing the tune of “freedom and democracy” and evil Serbs etc., the usual inversion of reality which wasn’t yet that well-known back then and thus worked much better then say the western media’s Ukraine, Lybia, Syria propaganda over the last few years.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 18 2014 5:54 utc | 136

@T2015 #134:
Strelkov is a real person. The stuff that you see written by him is usually a transcript of a video interview he has given that is readily available on the internet.
There’s absolutely no grounds for thinking that he’s an anti-Russian asset. The way I and many Russians read his constant warnings that the rebels will be defeated in a matter of weeks is that their purpose is to bolster the RF’s case that it is not aiding the rebels.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 18 2014 5:59 utc | 137

Well ih he is not an anti-russia asset, I have to question his sanity. He’s saying lots of totally idiotic stuff and wants Russians to go suicidal on Ukraine etc., whatever it is, something IS wrong there.

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 18 2014 7:38 utc | 138

kiev is getting desperate call for cease-fire which of course mean that its not going as expected.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 18 2014 9:04 utc | 139

UN: Great majority of People killed in eastern ukraine by the kiev regime is civilians.
http://rt.com/news/166788-eastern-ukraine-death-toll/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 18 2014 12:19 utc | 140

Oh how wrong I were, I see that this was another biased report. Apparently the report dont even touch upon the kiev regime artrocities at all!

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 18 2014 12:23 utc | 141

Well strictly technically speaking without being sarcastic, they’re all civilians. I’ve never heard of state-employed anti-state insurgents (domestic I mean, it’s a great thing in “enemy” countries of course).

Posted by: T2015 | Jun 18 2014 14:56 utc | 142

t2015
You are right. Apparently those hundreds of people killed are the fault of the eastern ukraine, thats how twisted the world have become.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 18 2014 15:47 utc | 143

Russian Spring
Slavyansk.
Question: May anyone of combatants seize the opportunity and leave the city under declared amnesty?
Strelkov:

If one decides to leave for any reason, he, firstly, must participate in construction activities. Regardless of Poroshenko or whatever truce.

Question: Cease of fire initiative.
Strelkov:

I had skeptically smiled. Thought at 23:00 we would know was there a truce or not. For many days at that time, midnight in Moscow, the opponent shells either us or “Semenovka” or “Kramatorsk”. By two-three batteries. I was wrong. The shelling started at 21:30. Two batteries four barrels each struck “Kramatorsk”, the truce was gone.I disgust such lousy truces, sorry for the expression.

Question: Combatants counterattacked.
Strelkov:

The block-post to “Red Liman” was assaulted from close distance by AGS (automatic grenade launcher). The B3S (acronym) post suffered great loss of staff. Our reconnaissance group struck their recreation facility by two flame-throwers “Shmel`” (“Bumblebee”) precisely in windows.

Question: Assuming the real cease of fire and save passage, will anyone leave?
Strelkov:

Just yesterday, 40 volunteers arrived. Today I expect additional 50. People join the ranks, get arms, take battlefield position. Outflow is insignificant… In any army such accounts for, say, 10 percent. Think that no single man will readily respond to the call of Poroshenko neither from the Slavyansk garrison nor from nearby cities.

Comment: Strelkov deems Poroshenko initiative in the framework of huge columns of Ukrainian troops stretching from “Berdyansk” to “Mariupol`”, then – to the North – North-East. To take initial positions for the offensive along the border, which is matter of a day… Unless, Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin) would interfere and take countermeasures that cross out the plans of occupation rulers in Kiev
Russian Spring
Comment: IMPOLITE CALL TO POLITE DONBASS PEOPLE.
IMMEDIATE CEASE OF THE MILITARY OPERATION AGAINST THE COMBATANTS – THIS IS BLASTING OF A PAIR OF POLES OF HIGH VOLTAGE ELECTRIC POWER LINES (EPLS) IN ALL EIGHT DIRECTIONS.
BLOW EPLS IN ALL SURROUNDING AREAS, MORONS! PULL THE JUNTA AND ITS ARMY OFF THE OUTLET! DO WHAT THE “AMERIKOS” (AMERICANS) HAVE ALREADY DONE TO “SLAVYANSK”. HACK THE ELECTRICITY OFF THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, HAVE EPLS FELLED, HAVE THEM FELLED, HAVE THEM FELLED! THIS IS THE PRIME AND NEARLY THE ONLY THING SHOULD BE DONE RIGHT AWAY.

Posted by: Fete | Jun 19 2014 4:19 utc | 144

There is no dead people in crashed Ukrainian IL-76 – Lugansk militias

“Head of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Lugansk Valery Bolotov argues that there were no dead people in the Ukrainian plane Il-76 that was shot by militias near the airport of “Lugansk” on the night of June 14. “There were no dead people in the plane; there were Airborne Brigades shot by the Ukrainian army. The plane was empty”, Bolotov said at press conference on Wednesday.”

This story has been reported in other Russian media, that VoR is taking up reinforces the speculation. The site was investigated by Novorussian people and they found no traces human body parts. With so many people aboard, there should have been since the nazi forces didn’t spend a long time cleaning up at the site. It’s speculated the dead were never aboard, and that the crash is being used as a cover for soldiers the nazis killed themselves because the soldiers refused orders or rebelled.
Young girl from Slavyansk picked up the machine, the junta has not left her choice (video)

A young, pretty girl, Elena, native inhabitant of Slavyansk talks about what inspired her to take up arms. Every day the junta aviation bombed the town and surrounding countryside, artillery shell of the dwelling house, in which there are children, women and old people…
Elena said that no Chechens and mercenaries in Slavyansk not and was not, with the Ukrainian cartels are fighting ordinary people who defended their city.”

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 19 2014 8:04 utc | 145

T2015 @112 issued the following ‘correction’
“should be “unitelligent” above, typo…”
LOL. Keep digging that hole you have chosen for yourself.

Posted by: Yonatan | Jun 19 2014 8:06 utc | 146

What really happened in Happiness: the testimony of one of the survivors of the garrison (video)

“on June 14, the city of Happiness under Lugansk, was captured by overwhelming forces of the Nazis with the support of aviation, artillery and heavy equipment. After the capture punitive forces shot prisoners, and in the city began genocide.”

“The truce”

“The “peace” plan Poroshenko with the “ceasefire” is an obvious fake, as it is linked with extension obviously unacceptable to DND and LNR conditions.
Basically the “truce” from the point of view of the fascist junta requires that the militias were able to disarm, that is, to surrender. Because that’s obviously not going to happen (too much blood has been already spilled + no illusions regarding the implications of the victory of the Nazis in Donbas) and the fascists in Kiev is well known, the “truce” will try to use to:
1. Stall the entire responsibility for the continuation of the war on the management DND and LNR who do not want to go to surrender unconditionally. It is the rebels will try to put the main culprits of the ongoing carnage.
2. Demonstration imaginary “peace” – I wanted the world, and these scoundrels want war with the aim of concealing already made and now committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
3. The pause can be used to rearrange troops, rotating parts suffered significant losses (as mentioned earlier, after 2-3 days of hostilities – infantry junta usually out of steam), pull up equipment, removal of dead and wounded in the rear, the accumulation of ammunition and fuel for an intense offensive operations, conduct supplementary exploration on the direction of the main blows, repair damaged helicopters and planes (given their shared a small amount).
The “truce” you can cancel at any time, just attacking one of your posts (if necessary with the dead bodies to TV pictures), and then to blame the soldiers DND and LNR, putting the blame on them and for the breakdown of the ceasefire, with the subsequent media line – we wanted peace, and these separatist war – we have no choice as massively to kill them and destroy the cities in which they live.
In this regard, I would not advise to nourish illusions “truce” if there is a short window without active hostilities, it must of course be used to strengthen the defensive lines, activation of accepting volunteers and their weapons, preparation for the battles captured and repair of military equipment, mining of roads, bridges, railway tracks.
You just have to remember that the uprising in the Donbass region can only take place if they win by force of arms and no “truce” ‘t change that simple fact.”

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 19 2014 8:12 utc | 147

Captured tank and “army Putin”
The nazi junta recently claimed the Russians sent Novorossia a tank “army”. What happened is Novorussians captured a repair base with a good number of broken down tanks there. None are operational now, but some of them could be repaired and put to good use perforating nazi armor. This report has a lot of other info about other things also.
The war in the South East Online 19.06.2014 Chronicle of events (post updated)
A lot of information.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 19 2014 8:33 utc | 148

All said here what needs to be said, be it in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria or anywhere else:
War against war!
Statement of leftists and anarchists on the confrontation in Ukraine – June 17, 2014
http://avtonomia.net/2014/06/17/vojna-vojne-zayavlenie-levyh-i-anarhistov-po-povodu-protivostoyaniya-v-ukraine-2/#english
In the ongoing conflict, we support neither Ukrainian government nor pro-Russian factions that established their authority on the portion of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts. The working class (i.e. everyone who has neither power nor capital) is equally alien both to the concept of ​​unitary Ukraine and to the ideas of ​​”federalization” or creation of new states — these are merely the games of politicians, drawing blood from ordinary people. We, the left and the anarchists, should primarily adhere to the needs of the working class in the war-torn regions of Ukraine, protect their rights and freedoms.
Against LPR and DPR!
Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics” are a collection of warring right-wing juntas. Rights and freedoms, which are granted to the rest of Ukraine, are not available in the territories under their control. Public manifestation of political dissent is not possible there; worker rights activists who criticized DPR were kidnapped and tortured. Upon preservation of these regimes the working class will be completely deprived of any opportunity to defend their legal rights. The only possible form of the “left” activity in DPR and LPR is the ritual worship of Soviet symbols, which has nothing to do with the workers’ interests.
The reactionary regimes of DPR and LPR are not interested in peaceful solution, they aim at escalating the conflict even further, which is confirmed by the promises of their leaders to “get to Kharkov”, “to Kiev” and “to Lviv”.
Against the Ukrainian government!
Ukrainian authorities profit from war contracts, send war reservists and untrained conscripts to to the frontline of the civil war, and attempt to use the protracted military conflict to strengthen their positions. Contrary to the forced rhetorics of the unity between the government and people, we must resist all attempts to curtail social guarantees, political rights and freedoms, all manifestations of police and military violence, all the incitement of nationalist and religious prejudice among soldiers and common people. For the ruling class, war is the opportunity of a crackdown in political and social spheres. In struggle against the aggression of Putin’s regime and his satellites, Ukrainians should not neglect the danger of a “Putin” who can emerge in their own country.
After their victory over the “separatists”, whose position is doomed without the external military support, the strengthened Kiev regime will once again become a major threat to the working class. If the oppressed unite with the ruling class under the patriotic banners, the crackdown on human rights and freedoms, which was to be avoided by the Maidan, is inevitable under the new government. Parliament is comprised of the representatives of conservative and far-right parties (“Batkivshyna”, “Svoboda”), which had repeatedly sponsored obscurantist bills – in particular, the restitution of death penalty, restriction of reproductive rights, preventive arrests on political motives; the charters of these parties contain appeals to ban political strikes. In many of the initiatives they mimic such of the Putin’s regime, of the Party of Regions or of the Communist Party. Despite their plummeting ratings, such rhetorics are perceived as a legitimate part of the political field.
Against fascists on both sides of the frontline!
We unhesitatingly oppose the legitimization of ultra-nationalist and criminal groups as members of the “anti-terrorist operation”. However, we should note that among those fighting on the other side are the volunteers from European fascist organizations and the ultra-reactionaries from Russia, and pro-Kremlin propaganda only portrays them as “anti-fascist warriors”.
Against war incitement under the guise of pacifism!
We are equally disgusted by saber rattling and cheering the killing of enemies, on the one side, and by pseudo-pacifist speculations of the people directly responsible for the escalation of violence, on the other. Pacifism is neither compatible with the backing of the “New Russia” regimes or expressing any kind of sympathy towards them, nor with the support of Ukrainian militarism.
Against lies and propaganda from all sides!
Information space and the media have become a genuine battlefield, the people of Ukraine and Russia are being fed opposite in content but equally spurious propaganda that strengthens militancy on both sides of the conflict and sets workers on against other; this allows governments to channel social discontent into a safe direction. Therefore, it is important not to follow the crowd, which is pleased to receive the news it wants to hear, but to keep a sober mind and stay true to our principles. Only time will help to reconstruct the events truthfully.
For the development of the labor movement!
The working class in Ukraine is still in its infancy and is does not take part in the conflict as a subject. We need to formulate and defend the social agenda and help the development of organizations that express the interests of workers. Only a strong labor movement that realizes its interests will be able to establish peace in Ukraine.
We oppose involuntary military service, and demand to end the conscription and release all soldiers who do not want to fight.
We support the campaign of aiding internally displaced persons from the war-torn regions, and we are ready to support deserters and conscripts who evade service on ethical and political grounds. AWU-Kharkiv already runs a campaign to support the internally displaced people in its area – we urge all libertarians and left to join in or do the same in their areas.
We express our support and solidarity with the workers’ and trade union initiatives that fight for their labor rights; we are ready to actively support those who are struggling against DPR and LPR from the class standpoint. They are in a much more serious danger today than activists from Central and Western Ukraine.
No war but the class war!
You may sign this statement by sending us an email to inbox@avtonomia.net, or by leaving a comment right here.

Posted by: thomas | Jun 19 2014 10:03 utc | 149

Today also obama aministration have talking about new sanctions.
obama must be the worst president ever.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 19 2014 11:10 utc | 150

Russian Spring
Slavyansk. 06/19/2014-21:52
Strelkov:

During night between 18-19 of June the opponent had massively transferred its forces from area of settlement “Dolgen`koe”, where it has a base and a camp, to “Red Liman” region; overall transfer consisted of more than 130 units of combat equipment including 20 tanks and 40 armored carriers of various type. The reconnaissance group was able to destroy one armored carrier in a column by blasting a land mine. Also the combatants bombarded a fortified post of the opponent in area “Kombikormoviy” (“Fertilizer Plant”).
Early in the morning, June 19 2014, the opponent – with support of two SU-25 (ground assault jet), a division of self-propelled howitzers, a “Grad” (salvo rocket launcher) and a number of mortar batteries – delivered a massive onslaught by tanks and motorized infantry on the positions of “Red Liman” garrison in a proximity of settlement “YamPolie” (“Pit-Field”). The first attack was repelled. Shot inoperable one tank. About 11 a.m., the opponent recommenced the attack and in spite of losses breached the front. In the course of combat, the opponent lost four armored carriers and sizable number of personal; however, employing the colossal superiority, it took over settlements “YamPolie”, “Sakhotnoie” and a bridge over river “Severskiy Donets”. The “Red Liman” garrison sustained heavy losses in combatants and arms. And was dispersed, arrived to the scene enforcement from “Slavyansk” was helpless to stop surpassing forces of the opponent, yet engaged in unequal combat in hamlet “Krivaya Luka” (“Warp Sream”).
By 18:00 the combat still rages, the combatants struggle to breach opponent’s positions on the way to “Slavyansk”.
Simultaneously with the “YamPolie” attack, big forces of tanks and motorized infantry of the opponent attacked city “Seversk” (“Northen”), where were engaged with combatant detachments under command of Aleksey Mazgovoy (“Lisichansk” battalion). The fight is going on.
In attempt to help the combatants fighting on north, the “Kramatorsk” garrison ventured to attack the opponent’s positions in area of hamlet “Markova” (east of “Kramatorsk”). In the course of battle to take over a block-post, two units of armored carrier were blasted. One combatant was lightly wounded. The positions around “Slavyansk” and settlement “Semenovka” are without change.
In the morning, combatant’s detachment with mortars struck mountain “Karachun” and settlement “Vostochniy” (“Eastern”), the opponent retaliated by tank’s shelling “Semenovka”, and from 18:00, by howitzers shelling “Slavyansk” downtown. Many buildings were damaged.
That is, we may ascertain the fact of fulfillment of Poroshenko objectives of final encirclement of the combatants by Ukrainian military in the city of “Slavyansk”. Despite of combatants’ valor and strength, they are not able to withstand massive strikes by tanks, artillery and aviation of the opponent, attributed with great dominance of personal as well, on open spaces.
The combatants and the people of Donetsk People Republic call for officials of Russian Federation to provide urgent assistance to Novorossia to thwart forthcoming genocide of Russian population.

Comment: The head of Russia’s Defense Ministry, Mr Shoigu, answering a question “would the Ministry provide any assistance to Donetsk and Lugansk People Republics” replyed “No”.
A member of the parliament of Russia elaborated: we are not as crazy as your (Ukranian) government.

Posted by: Fete | Jun 20 2014 4:34 utc | 151

Posted by: Fete | Jun 20, 2014 12:34:16 AM | 151
“Comment: The head of Russia’s Defense Ministry, Mr Shoigu, answering a question “would the Ministry provide any assistance to Donetsk and Lugansk People Republics” replyed “No”.”
I read where he was asked about a “no-fly zone”. He said it was feasible the Russian military could provide it, but that politically “no”.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 20 2014 6:04 utc | 152

Ukraine leader offers peace plan amid ongoing shelling
Essentially what the fascist west’s “stuck pig” is offering is the traditional fascist western negotiation offer: you allow us exceptionals to pork your butt on a regular basis and we wont kill your boy children after we rape them and kill the rest of your family, though we’ll kill your daughters anyway.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 20 2014 6:37 utc | 153

Complete criminal madness is going on in Ukraine, this is a “cost of war” list of the “soldiers” in the plane shot down by manpads.

Pavlo Levchuk, 26, soldier. Levchuk was as a university professor at Dnipropetrovsk National University. He was mobilized in early March and returned to his university to defend his Ph.D. thesis on June 5. Serhiy Vasylyuk, who knew Levchuk, says he had a good sense of humor. He is survived by his wife in Dnipropetrovsk.

Denys Kamenev, 24, rifleman. Kamenev was mobilized in March. He used to work as a miner in Verbky village in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. He was the only son in his family.
Taras Malyshenko, 30, senior soldier. Malyshenko worked as a factory engineer. He was summoned to the army on March 30. Just a day before the tragedy, he came home for a visit. He leaves a pregnant wife and a 4-year-old son.

and so on and so forth …
This cannot and should not be sustainable.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 20 2014 7:11 utc | 154

americans support fascism
and only the US is allowed to send troops into other peoples countries
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/06/20/367879/us-to-russia-dont-send-troops-to-ukraine/

Posted by: brian | Jun 21 2014 5:33 utc | 155