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May 17, 2014
Ukraine: Recommended Reading

Sometimes I to read too much to write. Therefore just a few reading recommendations about Ukraine.

The empire is pissed that its puppets in Ukraine fail to fight: One month on, Ukraine military fails to rout rebels

Now the U.S. believes the oligarchs are coming to help its aims: Ukraine’s richest man enters dispute in eastern region

The steelworkers’ patrols seem to mark a turn in the conflict, but Akhmetov’s decision to use his clout may be more significant. […] But with his decision to put his workers on the street, he may be saying enough is enough with the separatist movement in eastern Ukraine.

Idiots. Why should the Ukrainian military fight its own people? Why would Akhmetov, who’s companies for depend on good relations with Russia, work against Putin? Hint: He doesn’t. The National Interest: The Battle for Ukraine: Who Is Winning?

The May 25 election is in Russia’s interests, because it will give Western policy makers their desired short-term victory on the ground, and then American leaders can begin to direct their attention elsewhere. It also saves European leaders from having to make economic sacrifices as part of sanctions nobody genuinely wants to impose on Russia. Vladimir Putin is signaling that Moscow will play along if Ukraine agrees to give it that which it has largely conceded on the ground. Rinat Akhmetov, Ukraine’s most powerful oligarch and largest employer in the Russian-speaking regions, has finally come to the rescue by using his workers to seize control in Mariupol from the separatists. He supports the restoration of order, and constitutional reform to give the regions greater autonomy, but not independence. His forces are a welcome change, but it is the bargain Vladimir Putin has been offering all along, just better wrapped to make it easier for Kyiv to accept.

Most realists in the West would have already taken this deal, and settled in for the long game in Ukraine. The rest will likely come around after realizing that at the moment they are being taken for a ride by Kyiv, Moscow, or both.

But the real “western”, read U.S. target is more than Ukraine. It is full spectrum dominance. Ideological neoliberalism used for U.S. imperial ambitions.

Today’s must-read: Michael Hudson: The New Cold War’s Ukraine Gambit

There is no single paragraph in that long piece to quote. It is a tour de force binding together the historical and economic context of the conquest attempt we are witnessing in Ukraine. Today’s recommended reading.

Comments

Susan Sunflower | 70

Boycotts do not work out well for the boycotters — particularly boycotts against American allied elections

I dont agree, south-east by voting legitimizes whoever is elected, and you can be sure junta candidate will win – through rigging if needed. Junta already rigs votes in Rada, caught red-handed many times. They came to power through violence to stay there, wont leave a chance for voting process.
South-east gains nothing by voting, therefore boycott is the only option right now.

Posted by: Harry | May 19 2014 2:12 utc | 101

@crone #97:

one of the forums I used to visit and frequently post is totally anti-Putin – so much for intelligence and analysis – they are venting all their unexpressed frustration with Obama onto Putin.

Would you mind telling us which one? Not dailyKos, by any chance? (I never go there anymore; got banned twice.)
Meanwhile, Moscow demands OSCE take measures to free journalists detained by Kiev. Let’s see what the OSCE response will be.
There’s a Western news blackout about the kidnapped Russian journalists. I did searches on the English and German Google News, and only Russian sources came up. (There’s oddly little coverage of the Ukraine crisis in general in the Western media ATM.)

Posted by: Demian | May 19 2014 2:17 utc | 102

Boycotts don’t accomplish very much if anything — that’s the problem — and they can be used to “suggest” an unwillingness to participate … Seriously, I know that there is a call for a boycott and that there will be a boycott .. unfortunately, I really don’t know how effective it is likely to be, particularly among the “federationists” …
Wikipedia has a fairly impressive list of some impressive boycotts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_boycott
In the half dozen entries on the Wikipedia list that I reviewed, the “winner” was declared the “winner” and life went on “business as usual” — even where the turnout was very low.
Finding a way to demonstrate a “NO” vote would be good. A general strike might be better. I’m not eager to advocate that those already under threat emperil themselves about an election whose outcome are pretty much “foretold” … Like the most recent repeat of the original “orange revolution” … been there, done that. At least a boycott is a “safe for all ages” form of protest. I didn’t find a case where it was particularly effective — either in the short or long term, but no I didn’t study the entire list.

Posted by: Susan Sunflower | May 19 2014 2:32 utc | 103

@ Demian 100
No, I don’t mind – I was one of the many refugees from Salon’s forum who went to Drive we said when Salon cancelled it’s blog. You mentioned DailyKos – I checked earlier today – no action on Ukraine – tons on 2014 elections. I left Kos years ago when they banned discussion of the “Israel Lobby” – MOA has kept me sane for a very long time – been here, lurking mostly, since Billmon was onboard. b was a saint to pick up the bar tab and keep it going. MOA and Saker are the only places I know of to find posters I feel comfortable with – discovered Saker thru MOA actually. Lots of folks here at MOA have been around for a long, long time. Enough – I’m starting to ramble.

Posted by: crone | May 19 2014 2:47 utc | 104

But Susan, it isn’t a question of lining up empirical examples and just looking at them to see how many suggest one thing and how many the other. It’s a question of using your capacity for abstract logical thinking to explore the idea of a boycott (or of a strike, or as I said, at the limit, a violent revolution), to understand what the thing is, in abstract theoretical terms, then you can predict what the necessary conditions for its success are without even having to look at empirical cases – actually predict, on grounds of pure theory. Now what is it? It’s a confrontation with a state power which possesses:
1. the monopoly of the ‘legitimate’ use of force (as defined by it itself, and its imperial patrons);
2. the support of a set of ‘mainstream, objective mass media’ (again, as defined by it itself and its imperial patrons): first of all the national TV networks, and note they are networks, that is distribution vehicles, they don’t originate very much of the programming, private propaganda agencies do that, and these have to be paid, and paid handsomely;
3. an employer class, which may or may not actually have much employment to offer, but will still regard itself as the owner and benefactor of the country, the provider of ‘jobs’ for which people should be grateful, or the only possible provider of ‘jobs’ in the future, once ‘the economy has had a chance to regenerate itself’, and in this case this is an utter lie, because of;
4. the external investors (and all significant investors are external): these may be mere asset strippers, and increasingly they are just that (think Soros for example). They have no intention of ‘providing employment’ at all. They intend to strip the country of all its industries and also to devastate it environmentally. This is the ultimate weak spot of the whole bourgeois propaganda package, this in the thing to exploit in counter-propaganda : “Ukrainians, they are going to physically destroy your country!”
Can you see how all this is derived from pure theory, and can be applied to multiple countries, and ultimately even to the USA itself? This is the strength of theoretical models, they start from the universal, the necessary dimensions of bourgeois, neo-colonial rule, at the very end of the historical period of capitalism, staring the final world war for resources and the final ‘culling’ of world populations via environmental destruction, right in the face, all predictable from pure theory. I would have liked to have used strings of all caps in parts of this, the visual equivalent of shouting “Wake up!” And this, I repeat, is the necessary structure of all counter-propaganda, and all extrapolable from pure theory alone.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 19 2014 3:02 utc | 105

@crone #102:
Thanks for your answer. I never heard of Drive. I actually paid for a Salon subscription in the early days, but never joined the forum. I agree about MoA being practically a necessity for preserving one’s sanity. (Since I know Russian, I should look for similar Russian online communities at some point.) It is a shame that Pragma and Nora aren’t here anymore, though. They disappeared soon after I found out about this place.
@Susan Sunflower #101:
It’s logically impossible for the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics to participate in the 25 May election, since their official line is that they are not part of the Ukraine anymore. So the pragmatics of boycotts are kind of irrelevant here, IMO.

Posted by: Demian | May 19 2014 3:24 utc | 106

@ crone The ruling evil and deprived Western oligarchy does not belong to the public space. They must be made as much uncomfortable as possible when rearing their ugly heads out in the open view of the regular people: in malls, parks, restaurants, soccer fields, theaters, golf fields, public roads, beaches. The possibility of facing chanting, posters, signs, stares every time they leave their stinking dungeons and wastelands must be so scary that they will stop frequent public places. Those lousy cockroaches and rats do to belong to our world.
A good social networking web service monitoring movements of those anti-human perverse cult members would be very helpful.

Posted by: ProPeace | May 19 2014 3:45 utc | 107

We need more articles that put Kolomoisky in the spotlight like this:
The Key Man Behind the May 2nd Odessa Ukraine Trade Unions Building Massacre: His Many Connections to the White House

Posted by: ProPeace | May 19 2014 3:56 utc | 108

With Joe Biden traveling to Ukraine and his son taking on a princely role at a Ukrainian gas company, Robert Parry and others theory – that this is all those nasty neo-cons making trouble despite the best wishes of the Obama administration – looks pretty ludicrous.
The Obama administration is up to their necks in this mess.

Posted by: guest77 | May 19 2014 4:15 utc | 109

A little stating of the obvious on NPR, via AntiWar.com:
Why NATO Has Not Permitted Russia To Join

REHM: “And why was the suggestion [to invite Russia to join NATO] denied”?
HAASS: “Those who doubted the wisdom of it, besides the possibility that Russia might not accept, which was a side argument, worried that it would impair the continuing military effectiveness of NATO, that Russia, essentially as an insider, would become obstructive and would work against NATO’s continuing viability.”
Let us stop right there and consider Hass’s reply. What does it mean to say that NATO would not have continuing “viability”? Certainly, with Russia inside, it would be better as an instrument of peace in Europe. But it would be useless as an instrument for the U.S. to dominate Europe. Refusal of membership to Russia is simply another way of saying that NATO is not a means to ensure peace in Europe. In NATO there is to be “Only one tiger on the mountain,” as the Chinese saying has it, and that tiger is the US No other tigers need apply. […]
What about Germany as a counterweight to the US? Germany, however, is not really a sovereign nation; it is occupied by tens of thousands of US troops, and the German NATO forces are under US command. Whereas the NATO Secretary General can be a citizen of any NATO country, the Supreme Commander, that is the number one military commander, has always been an American. So the German NATO forces answer to an American commander.

Germany not being a sovereign nation is still a taboo subject in Germany (although I recently learned that there is a German magazine dedicated to the subject).

Posted by: Demian | May 19 2014 4:39 utc | 110

@108 That’s quite funny. “The obvious” that escapes Diane Rehm (who, I have always meanly joked, sounds like she is broadcasting from her coffin) is tht NATO’s purpose is obviously to dismantle Russia while keeping Germany trapped in a constricting framework that prevents it from taking full advantage of that dismantling.
The fact is, that something needs to make it go the way of SEATO but there is no telling what that will be. Perhaps economic crisis in Europe and events in Ukraine?
Looks like quite a nice magazine, thank you.

Posted by: guest77 | May 19 2014 4:56 utc | 111

@guest77 #109:

something needs to make [NATO] go the way of SEATO

According to Rick Rozoff, SEATO was basically absorbed by NATO, which is now a global organization (audio interview).

Posted by: Demian | May 19 2014 5:29 utc | 112

Игорь Стрелков: потери противника составили 100 человек и 10 единиц техники
Many thanks to an anonymous comment writer at Vineyard of the Saker for the translation.
“Igor Strelkov: enemy losses were 100 people and 10 pieces of equipment”

“And now today summary.
Early this morning a checkpoint of the enemy in the region i.e. the Malinovka was attacked from two sides simultaneously. At the same time was fired upon from mortars and many granade launchers placed in close distance. 2 BTR burned on the spot, the checkpoint was completely destroyed. The enemy suffered heavy losses in manpower. Our losses – 1 wounded.
Around noon, we moved mortars and fired grove in the area of road Sloviansk-Kramatorsk, where integrated units of NatGuards were located, 25-th and 95-th airmobile brigades and another roadblock. In the grove – three points of fire. It was perfectly visible with binoculars, how many soldiers started to scatter in panic (the grove was small – 400 x 50 metres). We released 60 shells 82-mm on the grove and 10 shells from “Nona” on the block. We have sent 6 shells on artillery positions on the opposite slope of Mount Karachun.
Later on helicopters were set on the Mount Karachun and roadblock to transport the wounded.
Closer to the evening our intelligence unit received information about the location of the enemy in Seleznevka (city outskirts, 2 km North of Semenovka villages). Recon group secretly entered the village and in quick battle killed 6 NatGuard soldiers (black plate, helmets painted with “right sector” slogans and emblems), a dozen more wounded. KAMAZ truck was burned too.
All, according to the radio, today losses of the enemy killed and wounded amounted over 100 people, 3 BTR were destroyed, radio station on GAZ-66 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ-66) and 2 trucks.
According to the information from population, all killed enemy is put in plastic boxes and drive to Izyum, where the corpses already clogged all the morgues – fridges are full.
After dark, the enemy leads disturbing fire on our position from howitzers and mortars.
Just got word that our econnaissance units attacked BAS checkpoint. 1 BMP was destroyed by one shot from a Fly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-18). Several NatGuardsmen killed or wounded were pulled out.
The enemy hewed the roadblock, when we left, from howitzers… But there’s no one”.
P. S. About big losses of the enemy:
“In the grove people were filled, like herrings in a barrel. They went down in numbers and made heaps. It was the same in Malinovka – all were placed tight”.

There’s been a few changes in the Donbas since the pre-independence vote days.

Posted by: scalawag | May 19 2014 5:43 utc | 113

According to a report in the Sydney Morning Herald, no one is really in control of Mariupol, Akhmetov’s steelworkers notwithstanding. (h/t Antiwar.com)

Posted by: Demian | May 19 2014 5:47 utc | 114

@guest77 Biden has been with neocon circles for a long time – he sponsored the Patriot Act before 9/11 happened.
Breaking: NEO – Kiev Snipers: Mystery Solved

It was reported several weeks ago in Interpress News that four of the snipers in Kiev were in fact Georgian nationals. The source for this story was Georgian General Tristan Tsitelashvili (Titelashvili), who later confirmed this in an interview with Rossiya TV.
Tsitelashvili claimed that at least four of the snipers shooting at people in Maidan Square were under the command of former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili, who is doing his best to destabilize his own country, and others if necessary, to find a way back into power.

Posted by: ProPeace | May 19 2014 6:25 utc | 115

Posted by: Demian | May 19, 2014 12:39:15 AM | 108
That is 19th century thinking :-)) Obviously Russia was not invited into NATO because Russia’s policy was disarmament which is something the US military industrial complex abhor like a vampire the cross.
Anyway, the attempt to justify more money for NATO with the necessity to protect the Baltic states and Poland (:-)) seems to have failed, and the attempt to forge the transatlantic “United States of Europe” with a central economic policy, seems to have failed, too.

Posted by: somebody | May 19 2014 6:37 utc | 116

Ukrainian military resume gunfire on Slavyansk – people’s mayor

‘Slavyansk people’s mayor Vyacheslav Ponomaryov said Ukrainian military servicemen had resumed gunfire on the city.
“Night has come and we are under fire again. There is howitzer and mortar shooting in the Perekop area. Our volunteers have been alerted,” Ponomaryov told Interfax.
He did not have information about possible casualties as of yet. Meanwhile, the Slavyansk self-defense headquarters told Interfax that the Ukrainian military force had been mounting on the Slavyansk outskirts.
“Local residents stopped a military convoy in the area of Pavlograd (Dnepropetrovsk region). There were two howitzers and a platoon of soldiers there. They were asked where they were going and why. They said they were headed for Slavyansk. They also said they had no choice because their families would be hurt unless they agreed to go fighting. They are on the way to Slavyansk,” the source told Interfax.

This threatening harm to people’s families is a constant in reports of people inducted on the side of the junta. Very mafia, very much like when Russia was run by Israeli oligarchs. Or New York, beneath the yuppy fantasy.

Posted by: scalawag | May 19 2014 6:46 utc | 117

Posted by: Demian | May 19, 2014 12:39:15 AM | 108
It is the same 19th century thinking that tells Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia et al that they need to be “independent” “national” states or “Russian speakers” that they belong to Russia.

Posted by: somebody | May 19 2014 6:58 utc | 118

Kiev Nazi authorities are only obstacle to peace in Ukraine – ex-presidential candidate

“The removal of Kiev’s coup-imposed authorities from power is the only way to restore peace and stability in Ukraine, opposition leader and ex-presidential candidate Oleg Tsarev told RT.
Tsarev has blamed Igor Kolomoisky, the Kiev-appointed Dnepropetrovsk region governor and oligarch, for making “quite a large” contribution to the current violence in Ukraine.
He said it is Kolomoisky who is responsible for recruiting nationalists into the National Guard and special police units, which are now waging war in the country’s southeast.
Tsarev, who spoke to RT during his visit to Moscow, said he has information that “the National Guard fighters, who were dressed in civilian clothes, participated in the events in Odessa” – where at least 48 anti-Kiev protestors died on May 2 after radicals set fire to the Trade Unions House.
The MP also confirmed the authenticity of the leaked phone call from May 9 , in which Kolomoisky said that he offered US$1 million for Tsarev’s head.
“As I understand he didn’t want me to come to Lugansk and Donetsk to take part in organizing the referendum,” he said.
Referendums in Lugansk and Donetsk regions took place on May 11, two days after the phone call leak, with over 90 percent of voters supporting independence from Kiev.
Tsarev, who was a self-nominee for the presidential election, withdrew his candidacy from the race, as he believes “the vote can’t be held when the army is on a reprisal raid against its own people…and dozens die every day.”
With no candidate boasting support in both east and west Ukraine, any president elected on May 25 will be “a half-president,” he stressed.
“I called upon the current Ukrainian authorities to solve the country’s problems first; carry out a constitutional reform, disarm the militants, release over 400 of our activists from prison on amnesty, and organize an election after that,” the MP said.
But the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev are pushing to hold the election “at any cost,” because they realize that “their rating is falling” and now is their only chance to succeed, he explained.
Tsarev assured that Donetsk and Lugansk regions won’t be taking part in the Ukrainian election, adding that he has urged his supporters around the country to follow their example.
The ex-presidential candidate has called Ukraine’s acting prime minister, Arseny Yatsenyuk, “a great imitator” for faking dialogue between the east and the west of the country.
“They gather their own representatives, who live in the southeast, and hold roundtables with them,” Tsarev said, adding that he and other actual leaders of protesters from the east aren’t invited to take part in the discussions.
“They’re basically talking to themselves…There’s no real dialogue,” he added.
The opposition leader reminded that there are howitzers ready to shell the protester stronghold city of Slavyansk in the Donetsk region, with Kiev’s forces neglecting to provide a humanitarian corridor for the civilians to evacuate in case of attack.
It’s “not realistic” to talk to the “murderers” under such conditions, because dialogue between Kiev and protestors in the southeast is only possible after the ceasefire is agreed, he explained.
However, Tsarev stressed that the only obstacle to peace and stability in Ukraine are the “current Nazi authorities of Ukraine,” which must be removed from power.
He added that during his stay in Moscow, he has seen that the Russian people have “largely accepted” the independence of Donetsk and Lugansk regions from Ukraine.
Tsarev said the issue is not as simple when it comes to the position of Russian authorities, because they are responsible for Russia’s fate – for economic sanctions which may be introduced against Russia.
But the opposition leader stressed that protestors in eastern Ukraine aren’t looking for independence from their compatriots in the country’s west.
“They just don’t want to be in the same country with the current authority,” he said.
The Kiev regime chose to send the army against citizens in the southeast because its rule is “based on fear,” he added.
“But it’s impossible to defeat the people by military means,” Tsarev stressed. “The army doesn’t want to fight against the people. In order to make the military obey orders, they deployed Nazis there, who shoot at self-defense forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic, and then fire at the soldiers, who refuse to fight.”
“The number of casualties in the ranks of the Ukrainian military has reached 1,000 people. And sooner or later…I think sooner rather than later, the Kiev authorities will be held responsible for the war crimes against their own people,” he added.
Oleg Tsarev was previously a main figure in the Party of Regions – the party of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich, who was ousted by a nationalist-powered coup back in February.
A few weeks later, in April, he was registered as a presidential candidate. Several days later, he was brutally beaten by radicals from the Right Sector movement.
Tsarev is backing the idea of creating an independent Federal Republic of Novorossia, following the lead of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, which revolted against the new Kiev authorities.

This is why the Israeli bandera nazi supporting oligarch, and mafia leader, Kolomoisky (is his name a Polish rendition of a laxative? colon flush? – he’s obviously what is extruded), put out a hit on Tsarev for Israel and their American/EU colonials.

Posted by: scalawag | May 19 2014 7:22 utc | 119

from Strategic Culture:
Ukraine: Tycoon Rinat Akhmetov Creates Puzzle
…There was a leak into media about Steinmeier meeting Rinat Akhmetov on May 13 during his short visit to Ukraine. The information was scarce. The Foreign Minister’s schedule was pretty busy including the meetings with Alexander Turchinov, acting speaker and president of Ukraine, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, acting prime minister of the country, the OSCE team and also a short stop in Odessa. The very fact that Steinmeier found time for an informal meeting with the richest Ukrainian tycoon displays how important it was for Berlin. It’s worth to note that the meeting was held away from radar screen. The German Ministry of Foreign Affairs statements omitted the fact, but some believe the event was the main part of the tour…
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/19/ukraine-tycoon-rinat-akhmetov-creates-puzzle.html

Posted by: okie farmer | May 19 2014 7:49 utc | 121

Putin orders Russian troops near Ukraine to return to bases
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.591453
another failure for nato to start a war.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19 2014 9:06 utc | 122

120) Poroshenko – New York Times :-))

With the country still roiled by separatist violence in the east, the growing air of inevitability around Mr. Poroshenko, who has deep business interests in Russia, has redrawn the Ukraine conflict. It has presented the Kremlin with the prospect of a clear negotiating partner, apparently contributing, officials and analysts say, to a softening in the stance of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.
After weeks of threatening an invasion, Mr. Putin now seems to have closed off the possibility of a Crimea-style land grab in the east, and even issued guarded support for the election to go forward.
“You can have a kind of a civil war and this kind of gray zone and be completely separated and face a higher degree of economic sanctions,” said Adrian Karatnycky, an expert on Ukraine at the Atlantic Council, describing the choice facing Mr. Putin. “Or you can see if it’s possible to bargain with this new guy, who has businesses in Russia, who has never been known to be a big ultranationalist.”
Mr. Poroshenko is a veteran of Ukrainian politics, having served as foreign minister under President Viktor A. Yushchenko; as economics minister under the ousted president, Viktor F. Yanukovych; and as a longtime member of Parliament, including a stint as speaker.
“The reasoning on Poroshenko is that he is a pragmatist and he was in the Yanukovych government,” Mr. Karatnycky said. “He is a person who is a dealmaker. From that point of view, it may mean that Putin is willing to give it a chance of trying to get something out of this.”

I hope, people insist on finding out why/how all those people got killed. If it was to find an accommodation with Russia – that was on the table before.

Posted by: somebody | May 19 2014 9:51 utc | 123

@ bevin
“No more thinking please: let’s all barf in unison” is anti-intellectual nonsense”
Serious question, bevin, do you think that there comes a time when you’ve DO NOT NEED TO LEARN ANYMORE about a given situation?
That there’s a time to put away the books because you have a pretty good handle on a given situation, get off the pot and focus on other aspects of a situation’s reality/consequences?
Or do we all just have to keep being led around by TPTB as they dish out “situation/event” over and over again for us to “figure out/analyze” incessantly?
In the decades I have spent observing and analyzing world events it sure seems that there’s a common theme in the majority of the terrible shit that goes on around the planet as of late and it just happens to be the US nearly every single effing time. That’s why I agree with what Hudson says but come to the conclusion “So what?” instead of solemnly bowing my head and intoning: “Great analysis, Professor Mike”.
But, you – directly – and Hudson – indirectly – seem to tell us we need to make super-duper extra sure that we -as a society – are correct in our estimations/analyses because – you just never know! – it might NOT be the US war criminals once again leading the charge of murder and destruction, right?
And that’s what I believe, bevin, your problem is – common to many on the fake left: you’re afraid of being wrong or losing face especially among your own set. That your opinion/belief might not be supported by the facts – even in the face of overwhelming evidence, in this case, US complicity/causation once again – so you keep your head down and nervously scurry about collecting nugget after nugget of insight until the general tenor/storyline is so obvious that it’s finally(!) time to wow the bourgeois crowd with your incisive and hopefully non-ultracrepidarian views.
How many times have you lambasted me and others here for engaging in behavior that could POTENTIALLY lead to unfortunate ends? Don’t get angry, JSorrentine, you’ll be manning a guillotine next year!!! Similarly, how many times does a fake leftie scream Stalin/Lenin when Marx is brought up? Don’t even talk about Marxism …look at Pol Pot!
Afraid to choose. Afraid to act because it MIGHT lead somewhere bad. Better not try it. Let’s just think about it some more, right? Or should I say, “left”? Just think of the effing time that’s been wasted as good fake liberals have commandeered the “conversation” on the “left” and approached each new installment of the America’s war of aggression all dewy-eyed and buying into the government’s story as it goes about about murdering and stealing. Hmmm, after Iraq why wasn’t there a visceral rejection of any further US war crimes by the fake left? Why did it take so long for them to understand that ONCE AGAIN – and this is a pattern going back to the Cold War – the official narrative was just an excuse to continue murdering and stealing in Libya, then Syria, now Ukraine. Each time – you have stated, bevin – that the uptake time for the bourgeois left is getting smaller and smaller and that this is reason for optimism. My thoughts: 1) it’s not happening fast enough due to 2) too much buy-in and trust the fake bourgeois left still has in the system it luke-warmly criticizes but benefits from economically.
Nope, there’s always yet another super-sleuthy situation that needs months and months – if not years – of detailed analyses by crack “minds” before the fake left can feel “comfortable” with their opinion/slant even though those opinions/viewpoints will inevitably once again coalesce and say the same thing: it’s really the US war criminals once again driving the murder bus across the globe.
So, instead of laughably attempting to paint me as an anti-intellectual – the horror! – ranter – and a Marxist to boot, double horror! – why don’t you take the time and understand what I’m saying and that is this:
The topics Hudson/us at MOA are discussing/analyzing are not fictional accounts which should be met with the sophisticated flowery, verbally onanistic nonsense of literary reviews a la NY Review of Books.
We are talking about people needlessly being murdered etc. once again by the US hegemon – gee, funny how your critique of my post didn’t mention any of those aspects of my original post. At least the Marxists I know are invariably concerned with the plight of the workers/common person, what is your excuse? – and, thus, the intelligent/conscientious people here and elsewhere should have the wherewithal to wonder:
Am I engaging in debates about events when debate is no longer needed/superfluous?
Am I analyzing a situation that no longer needs analyzing?
Am I purposefully(?) being led to engage in needless debates and analyses by TPTB?
Am I giving praise to analyses that are not really telling me anything I don’t already know?
Don’t we already have enough accumulated evidence to indict the American war criminals or at least view the past 30? 40? years as one long-continuous war of aggression on the part of said war criminals instead of separate vignettes/incidents?
Wouldn’t the minds/energies of conscientious people – e.g. Hudson and his audience – be better spent figuring out where we go from here instead of regaling us with rehash upon rehash of the events in our all too-familiar world especially as the rehashing on galvanizes the world-view as formulated by and handed down to us by the elite/war criminals?
Yes, having been an online poster/analyzer etc for years I too have been guilty of what I am now railing against but that’s the point: I realized that what I was doing wasn’t really doing anything. That I was invariably coming to the same conclusions – albeit with names/places changed – and that one could just skip all the “discussion/debate” and understand what was going on perfectly well AND have more time to engage in activities that might actually lead somewhere.
You mention Marx and his work and in what you probably considered your rhetorical coup de grace actually you perfectly epitomize the analytical short-sightedness that I find so typical nowadays. Because Marx DID do all of that critical thinking and analysis 150+ years ago which you mention, myself and fellow Marxists can look at what is going on in today’s capitalistic nightmare societies and say, “Yup, it’s exactly as Marx said it would be more or less.” 99% of what is wrong with the capitalistic economies of today was completely predicted by Marx. However, you wouldn’t know that from the scores and scores of fake left – and bourgeois capitalistic – economics blogs and their day-in, day-out detailed rehashing of sub-systemic analyses they provide as to just what is really wrong with capitalism. Note: they all believe the capitalistic system can be “saved/reformed”. Hmmm, funny that, huh? Gee, who’s REALLY “barfing” in unison, bev? Oh I get it, it’s not “barfing” if one is sufficiently clever, well-paid, establishment/non-threatening and echoed/mimicked enough. Newsflash for the fake left: it’s still puke – and even more nauseating – when served in a Martha Stewart Designer Ramekin.
Continuing, do I – and other 21st century denizens – need to do all of Marx’s work over? Why should I need to analyze from scratch the failure of capitalism when Marx’s descriptive/predictive approximations hold perfectly well? Shouldn’t the greatest respect for a critical mind and its intellectual output – i.e., Marx – be that one shouldn’t feel the need to needlessly start ab ovo especially when looking at events that have a similar and well-documented history – cf. the US post-WWII war of aggression. Shouldn’t we be trying to agree to a basic set of reality tested principles and THEN begin our debate/discussion instead of being led into manufactured debates by our masters who invariably say that “this time is different” and thus any debate/discussion entails the consideration of this or that or this strategy of the very murderous criminals who are our oppressors before we can even begin to formulate ideas about how to rid ourselves of them?
Do you see where I’m going with this? Hint: and it’s not that Hudson is providing a theoretical scope of understanding on the magnitude of Marx, so I’ll just nip that one in the bud. 😉
All of us having witnessed/debated/analyzed the events of current history know what the score is, so why is that society – but significantly the bourgeois fake left – seems so dependent upon analysis/debate to tell us what is going on ESPECIALLY as it involves the real-time murder/rape/maiming/displacement etc. of innocent people and is not some arcane salon topic?
Certainly it’s good to be aware of current events/developments but similarly to Marxists/Marxism in the year 2014 every new “data point” that corroborates an accurate school of thought/POV shouldn’t need be enthusiastically regarded as the long-lost holy grail/Rosetta stone needed for a truer understanding of reality but rather just another mundane addition towards the proof/support of said theory. Marxists see the current deplorable economic situation to be part and parcel of the capitalist system and that the common person’s life will not change for the better until people start understanding the larger picture i.e., it’s capitalism itself that’s the problem . Likewise, it is my belief that the common person of today – world-over – will not see their lives get appreciably better until they inherently realize that much of the death and destruction as of late is a direct result of the decades-long US war of aggression. In either case, it can be interesting at times to notice/observe how individual details of real-world events fit into a larger POV – i.e., Marxism, US War of Aggression (obviously, one could easily combine the two) – but there does come a point when the analyses I believe – especially on the fake left – become a thing unto themselves and which most definitely have a decreasing rate of return especially when 1) said online “debating/analyzing” practices only further increase people’s terrible dependency on the virtual – not the real – world and their glimmerpads and 2) it – again – allows everyone to feel that they are doing something when in point of fact all that they are doing is ignoring the fact that something real really needs be done.
Lastly, again sorry for the length, my point is also that the common peon should be more confident in what they already intuitively understand – e.g., capitalism only works for the rich, the US is a force of evil on this planet, etc – and dispense with the esteem given to those who call into question or overly-complexify – and get celebrity, notoriety and wealth for doing so (e.g., Hudson et al) – such common intuitive understandings as those bourgeois scribes aren’t doing anyone a bit of good anymore in the larger sense no matter how much the bourgeois crowd would have us believe that are helping bring us so very close to gleaning the secrets of “How The World Works”. Hint: it’s complicated, peons! Translation: You still need us bourgeois professors to figure things out for you.
Hmmm, wasn’t that one of your criticism of Trotskyism? That it was inherently/necessarily led by an intellectual/movement vanguard that thought it was better/smarter than the common person? Oh well.

Posted by: JSorrentine | May 20 2014 2:11 utc | 124

Yes, I agree with Sorrentine. This is what I wrote myself, my own alternative introduction, somewhat starker than Tom Engelhardt’s, to Pepe Escobar’s latest enthusiastic projection, The Birth of a Eurasian Century:

In my own personal opinion, all this is worthless, because Washington will start a world war, now that its back is to the wall. As far as possible, I’ve left out all Pepe’s purely ideological musings about liberal vs authoritarian capitalism. From a Marxist point of view, these sophomoric arguments always were irrelevant. Russia is a capitalist state. That’s why it reacts to the immediate approach of WW3 like a less-than-half-awake arthritic suburban grandmother. So is China. And that is why I expect WW3 to destroy both, but at the cost of counter-strikes which will bring about the destruction of North America and Europe also. That’s what I expect, seriously. I regard it as by far the most probable outcome. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that it is the only possible one. I also expect a repeat of the JFK assassination sequence of events immediately preceding it. That is to say, I expect that Obama will be assassinated and Biden will take his place. Michelle will make a great, Black Jackie Kennedy, but there won’t be time for her to marry her Onassis equivalent, Pierre Omidyar or whomever. This war will not be a far-away one like LBJ’s Vietnam. It will be all-out nuclear war, because Usaia has got nothing left to lose: no industry, no skills, no empire, no strategy, nothing.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 20 2014 2:48 utc | 125

@somebody #121:
It will be interesting to see how Poroshenko will deal with the fascists in the junta. I think Lavrov said in his Bloomberg interview that Poroshenko will try to hold parliamentary elections in the fall. Of course, there’s also the matter of the constitution, which, as Lavrov pointed out, really should have been settled before holding presidential elections…
Poroshenko is not a fascist, but it also doesn’t appear that he would be a US puppet.

Posted by: Demian | May 20 2014 2:49 utc | 126

Regarding the dispute over Hudson, some observations.
Re JSorrentine
1. Most common ‘peons’ are either vaguely leftwing, but are distrustful of everyone, or self-confident and somewhat rightwing, even if vaguely anti-imperial, in my experience. Because the imperial states have destroyed the leftwing movements, we have atomised left-wing sympathetic individuals. I’m not aware of any organizations that try to get leftwing individuals together in a capacity for novel investigation, learning/practising skills relevant to meaningful oppositional activity (as opposed to eg demonstrations), etc.
2. Most leftwing sympathetic individuals (myself included) tend to rely on e.g. Hudson (and others who are not to be mentioned) for such information. Generally, one’s world view is formed by a few such individuals, and whether the initial individuals are respected or not may determine one’s political sympathies, connections to reality etc. Few people will investigate the source materials, so such political connections often rely on one’s continued trust of e.g. Hudson. Thus the tactic by various anti-leftists to suggest evil conduct by such individuals.
3. Such individuals as e.g. Hudson are useful for recruiting, e.g. giving people a set of facts that confirm their suspicions.
4. Continued investigation is rather useful—how else is one to discover a new tactic? If you have recruited people to your cause, how do you get them to be effective agents, without getting them into continuing investigation, i.e. trusting their own observations?
5. After people trust their own observations and suspicions, people gather the confidence to experiment with actions. Thus the destructive dynamism of ruling classes—they have the confidence to experiment and observe, and trust their own observations, but with marginal external limits.
6. Upon reading Bevin’s comment, I fail to see your case that Bevin is opposing the practical question.
Re Rowan:
We don’t know that they will commit group suicide, only that they are sufficiently stupid and selfish to do so. When I lived near a violent neighbourhood (children being murdered execution style by gangsters, etc) that I often visited, I came to make peace with my death. Knowing that I’m at risk of death, while being at peace with the possibility, allows me to focus on practical matters such as paying attention to my surroundings, preparing to defend myself against potential attackers, etc. The secret is to admit that you may die, but you also may not. Surviving a nuclear war would be unpleasant, but it would be a reality, assuming that things come to that.
Similarly with Russia’s future conduct—tomorrow Russia might disappear as a state opposing the US. If that’s the end of your world, you’ve made unfortunate emotional investments and other decisions. I’m pleased with some of Russia’s conduct to date against the US state, but I don’t see Putin as a permanent substitute activist.
Re Situation and What to do
Some of our givens are as follows:
All states are to various degrees subsidiary to the US, whether by the will or stupidity of their administrators, or by brute fact of historical lack of technology, natural resources and/or security relationships with other states.
Most of the most exploited societies are internally at strife. Africa in particular comes to mind. Gross brain damage in these populations due to infant lead and mercury poisoning reduces the capacity for intelligent opposition, and leads to greater infighting. Most poor states tried to ‘modernise’ by popularising cheap motor vehicles, using often very lead rich fuel (banned in most African states in 2006), so the oldest non-fuel-lead-damaged generation is 8 years old, while the average age of an administrator is around 50. Lead paint and mercury based skin-whitening creams remain legal or available where illegal—this is before the IQ effects of malnutrition and malaria and the like get factored in. The only (temporary) silver lining (of sorts) in this is that the US administrator class is also lead poisoned, and the improvement from the fuel ban isn’t due for another decade. And the common lead poisoning leads to security (street crime) being a dominant political issue, rather than economics and imperialism.
Most of the oppositional population in the imperial countries is demoralised. In part this demoralisation is due to a culture of quick fixes. We demonstrate, and stop the Iraq war. Or not.
Each of these problems are ‘status variable’ problems. In coupled systems problems (e.g. Resistor/Capacitor/Inductor networks), one changes a status variable with continued effort (stimulus), and thus the (status) variable changes gradually over time in response to the effort. Derivative variables can change instantly in response to a change in stimulus, e.g. the time derivative of a status variable, but are thus usually ephemeral and insignificant, except to the extent to which they are the stimulus affecting a different status variable.
And each of the attacks on the status variables can easily be made into a popular demand:
1. Popular nationalist attacks on imperial subservient politicians can backfire, but popular adoption of technology for the purpose of experimentation creates new strengths from which to operate. In the 30s, many social movements encouraged this, e.g. making cheap gliders in that era, which is relevant still for e.g. much of Africa—a society with many skilled individuals can put up more of a fight.
2. Lead poisoning is a made to order political issue, and the current US liberal population could easily be recruited. Sections of the US administrative class could go for it as a feel-good issue (uncomfortable questions regarding black IQs and crime rates, etc). They’ve already done that to some extent—see e.g. Kevin Drum’s article, and realise what his politics are (he drew my attention to the lead problem initially). And note that because the approach is wrong (they ignore the biological half-life of lead in the blood) they grossly underestimate the consequences of lead paint—every effort to measure blood lead where paint is the main source finds a distribution inversely proportional to blood lead, thus leading to nonsense that only a small portion of the population is affected, despite that being the expected blood lead distribution. And US conservative states are often ahead in cleaning up lead paint (e.g Mississippi).
3. Changing social behavioral patterns e.g. instant gratification can be done by self improvement initially, to make it a fad. Start with getting people to do relatively trivial observation and recording. Most neo-liberal attacks on existing infrastructure start with a new set of top-level administrators kicking out non-complacent underlings and destroying their careers. Get potential activists to interview current and former lower level personnel of such institutions—universities, public schools, factories, government scientific bodies, etc. See what the issues of disaffection are. Build relationships with people who have access to less available information and experience.

Posted by: Johan Meyer | May 20 2014 5:13 utc | 127

NATO to the rescue:
Ukraine Crisis Goes Nuclear

Reports allege that some 20 members from the armed Neo-Nazi front, Right Sector, attempted to storm the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant, in Energodar city, Zaporizhia province. The Voice of Russia reported in an article titled, “Right Sector attempts to seize largest NPP in Ukraine,” that:
Policemen of the city of Energodar have detained 20 activists of the Right Sector, who tried to seize the Zaporozhye NPP. According to the leader of the Zaporozhye branch of the organization, the militants were afraid that the city would fall in the hands of supporters of federalization.
Ukraine’s Zaporizhia nuclear power plant with its six reactors is the largest in Europe and the fifth largest in the world. With the Chernobyl disaster in hindsight, 20 Neo-Nazi militants from Right Sector attempting to storm the facility constitutes a threat to much of Europe and western Russia – a threat NATO may be fabricating to create a pretext to more directly intervene in Ukraine.
Right Sector, along with other Neo-Nazi militant fronts, spearheaded violence that led to the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine in late 2013 and early 2014 in what was called the “Euromaiden” protests. Right Sector has since been used as a paramilitary organization by Kiev in an attempt to assert control over the rest of the country. Its mounting list of atrocities has led Kiev and its NATO backers to increasingly deny ties to the extremist front – however, it is clear that the group is operating nationally and in tandem with security forces loyal to Kiev.
Zaporizhia province neighbors Donetsk, which along with Luhansk province, recently held referendums leading to greater autonomy from Kiev and closer ties to neighboring Russia. Zaporizhia, laying between Donetsk and now Russian Crimea, could potentially be the next province to escape out from under the unelected regime currently occupying Kiev.
NATO’s “Nuclear Option”
The storming of Zaporizhia nuclear power plant by Neo-Nazis may appear to be an act of extreme irresponsibility carried out by witless, dangerous thugs, but the operation may have a much more sinister purpose.”

Posted by: scalawag | May 20 2014 6:36 utc | 128

Dont think this has been posted.
Chloroform found in Odessa House of Unions – Ukrainian Interior Ministry
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_19/Chloroform-found-in-Odesa-House-of-Unions-Ukrainian-Interior-Ministry-1254/
I couldnt reach the site for some hours ago, anyone else had the same problem?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2014 7:40 utc | 129

Every time I read a bevin post, something I try to do as little as possible, I often laugh so much it brings tears to my eyes – when reading these not-so-little nuggets of fine-sounding leftist clueless-dogma I am invariably reminded of a certain passage from Doris Lessing’s book “The Sentimental Agents of the Volyen empire”
Here is the passage:

    “‘The Westermen, those unscrupulous conquerors of whose blood you are so proud, created here and on Volyen a highly structured society of multifarious skills.’ Here I saw him smile wryly down at those formidable Westerman hands.
    ‘But, as always has to happen, Moon I and its two colonies lost impetus… This time it was Volyen’s turn to rise again and conquer. A quite interesting little Empire it has been, the recent Volyen Empire, with some mild ideas of justice, not indifferent to the welfare of its inhabitants, at least in theory, trying to absorb into its ruling classes the upper echelons of the conquered…’
    I saw him begin to feel ashamed, and heard . . .
    . . . . ‘Ormarin!’ I tried to interrupt. ‘What have all those fine words got to do with your situation? For one thing, you have efficient modern weapons, you free peoples of the Volyen Empire…’
    But it was no use.
    ‘Who with real manhood in his veins would choose to live as a slave when he can die on his feet fighting? Which man, woman, or child among you who has known what it is to stand upright…’ he said
    I am afraid I must report that this was a bad attack. I had to have him confined to the hospital for a few days. But I have worse to tell you.
    While there, I went to see how poor Incent was and, finding him comparatively sensible and able to talk about his situation, asked for his permission to administer a test.
    It was the simplest possible test, based on the word “history”
    At this word itself, he was able to maintain composure.
    The word “historical” caused his pulse to quicken, but then it steadied. At “historical processes,” he remained firm. “Perspective of history –” so far so good.
    “Winds of history –” he showed signs of agitation. These did not decrease. I then decided, wrongly, to increase the dose, trying “logic of history.” At this point I began to realize the hopelessness of it, for his breathing was rapid, his face pale, his pupils dilating.
    “Inevitability of… lessons of… historical tasks…” But it was not until “dustbin of history” that I gave up.
    He was on his feet, wildly exultant, both arms held up, preparatory to launching himself into declamation, and I said, ‘Incent, “what” are we going to do with you?’ Which flight of Rhetoric must be excused by the circumstances.
    I gave instructions for him to have the best of care. He has escaped. I did not have to be told where.

Much of the book concerns itself with examining dogma and the sort of ridiculously overblown sentimentalism employed by much of the Left (pseudo-, Fake-, Clueless- etc) when engaging in ever-increasingly-ridiculous rhetoric.
Lessing herself was a staunch critic of the dogmatic clueless left.
Unfortunately she died in 2013 – which is a real pity because I can’t help feeling she would have had a lot of fun clinically and cleverly deprecating the sort of ridiculously overblown rhetoric employed by the Clueless Left, of which Dr Bevin MA. Phd., Emeritus Professor of Absolutely-F’n-Everything, currently employed at the University of Knowing-Sweet-F*ck-All, Toronto, Canadia, is a fine example.

Posted by: rofl | May 20 2014 10:02 utc | 130

#130 is in reference to this quote from Prof Bevin’s #84
A man who, whatever his personal failings and private griefs, used deep, rigorous critical analysis not as a means to make a name for himself but to fight along with the wretched of the earth for emancipation.
Posted by: bevin | May 18, 2014 3:46:07 PM | 84

must of spent hrs in front of the mirror rehearsing that one 😉

Posted by: rofl | May 20 2014 10:04 utc | 131

Ok what is this now?
kiev takes back military urge autonomy for the east? Another fake call by kiev? Another call by kiev trying to get popular?
http://rt.com/news/160224-ukraine-troops-withdrawal-constitution/

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20 2014 15:32 utc | 132

Rofl, what contribution do you imagine the talentless Doris Lessing et al have made to the welfare of the world? Now we have everything from national security councils to local housing associations run by women, and the former are stark raving psychotics, the latter amiable inefficients. Feminism was a very effective strategy to cripple the various Left movements. Prior to its emergence in the early seventies (with a flash and a bang of pseudo radicalism), we had substantial Left movements and they were making serious inroads, even if the only position for women in them was prone (which wasn’t really a statement of fact, but a stupid joke on Stokely Carmichael’s part). Now, the Left is dead, and the women who profited from feminism have given any pretence that they ever cared about anything except their own advancement in the existing society, whatever the consequences for the world at large. The Left has been replaced by a false ideology of womens’ rights, gay rights, paraplegics’ rights, etc. In other words, the very purpose of Leftism has been forgotten. And you dare to gloat, after forty years of political regression. Bevin may be a wooden horse, but he doesn’t deserve that, or if he does, I’d prefer that that particular form of contempt be directed at me, so that I can answer it with a few choice ‘mysogynist’ insults.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 20 2014 17:24 utc | 133

This meaningless agreement is another example of bourgeois fudging. Notice Russia’s enthusiasm at the end. Russia is a bourgeois power. The chief desire of all bourgeois powers is to pretend that business can continue as usual, even while factions of powerful fanatics are sabotaging them and making clear preparations for world war. To be bourgeois is to pay as little attention as possible to anything except business as usual.

Ukrainian MPs call for immediate troop withdrawal from south-east
RT.com, May 20 2014
Ukrainian troops deployed in the east should immediately return to their bases, the country’s parliament said in a memorandum. The Ukrainian parliament finally adopted the so-called ‘Memorandum of Peace and Consent’, 252 MPs voting in favor, well in excess of the 226 required for it to pass. The document called “to restore law, order and public safety in the state by stopping bloodshed and bringing to justice those responsible for the killings of civilians during mass protests; to stop the anti-terrorist operation in Ukraine’s south-east and return the soldiers involved in anti-terrorist operations to their places of permanent deployment.” The document urged immediate constitutional reform that will grant more autonomy to regions. The document said that the state must ensure the rights of minority languages, but stopped short from giving Russian constitutional status as a second language. Communist leader Pyotr Simonenko blasted that omission, and also the decision to drop the provision granting amnesty to self-defense forces in the east. Svoboda and the Communists both abstained from voting, saying they believe the reform will be ineffective. The reform will provide for the country to drop its non-aligned status, allowing it to join e.g. NATO through a referendum. Following the announcement, Russia said that if Ukraine’s authorities plan to implement all the reforms declared in the memorandum then they will finally be responding to Moscow’s calls. “First, we have to see how it looks on paper. If this is true then it’s the development we have been talking about over the past months,” said Deputy Head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Grigory Karasin.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 20 2014 17:52 utc | 134

RT has lost connection with Graham Phillips after he was detained at a check point in Mariupol earlier on Tuesday. Alexey Kuznetsov, deputy head of RT’s English department, said:

Our stringer Graham Phillips was arrested at a checkpoint by people who, according to him, when we last spoke, introduced themselves as the National Guard and asked for his papers. After this, the connection with the journalist was lost, we still cannot get in touch with Graham, we are extremely worried what could happen to him. It is even more worrying after the events, which, as we all saw happened to the LifeNews TV correspondents.

Phillips earlier told RT in a phone call:

I’m sitting at a blockade post in a portacabin. The dialogue is quite interrogation-oriented. At the moment I’m with the Ukrainian forces near Mariupol. I’ve been here for over two hours and I’ve been detained, in terms of I can’t leave. I would also say I’m being treated OK by them. I believe that someone is coming. They’ve done checks on my documentation. They found my reports and clips I’ve done and they’re now looking through them asking me my position on things, asking if I’m a spy, and asking me quite thorough questions. They’ve checked all my documentation and photos, my laptop and the car. So that’s who I’m with at the moment. I’ve been describing my position on Crimea. I did believe, and I did say, and I did state, and I stand by my position, that the Crimea referendum was legitimate. I do believe referendums held here have a legitimacy, and I had an exchange one day that I do believe the Kiev government isn’t legal and isn’t democratic. I don’t support this current situation in the east of Ukraine or the Donetsk Republic, as it’s now been named. I believe the position of President Turchinov and acting PM Yatsenyuk, not coming here to speak to people, but using military forces to launch assaults against them, is completely wrong. I explained to them that while working for RT.com, I maintain complete objectivity and neutrality as a correspondent. I present the facts as I see them and exactly as today, which is to say they’re treating me OK. They’ve taken my bulletproof jacket and my helmet, but on the other hand they haven’t in any way inflicted any form of injury or any actions on my person.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 20 2014 18:33 utc | 135

Did I fail to make this sufficiently bold? I think I did:

The reform will provide for the country to drop its non-aligned status, allowing it to join e.g. NATO through a referendum.

And Russia’s Foreign Ministry applauds this.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 20 2014 19:05 utc | 136

Interesting view from the US (!!!):
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/western-media-blackout-reality-ukraine.html

Posted by: Willy2 | May 21 2014 14:59 utc | 137

You missed the point entirely, rowan – right over your head it went. It seems you were blinded by the fact that “Doris” is very obviously a female name, and you appear to have entirely lost the ability to think, after you noticed that.
Poor you, the thoughts of really clever ones from that half the world population denied you, by you, simply because you fixate on the fact that they are not male.
Sure, lots of women are idiots, especially so for many of the feminists, left and right, alleged or otherwise. But then so too are many males.
In fact I’d happily lay a wager right now that there’s a considerably larger number of males than females at the lowest end of the IQ spectrum. (I’d also happily bet a considerable sum with anyone foolish enough to to match such a wager, that there’s more males than females at the higher end of that spectrum also)
Lessing is many things, but from what I have read of her work, (6 books in total), absolutely none of your claims, in your rant above about feminism, can be fairly applied to her. That is simply not the sort of woman she was, from what I’ve read of her work so far.
The excerpted piece @130 comes from book 5 of her 5 book Sci Fi “Sirian Empire” series, all of which are essentially pretty clever socio-political books disguised as future fiction, and are imo the equal of anything in a similar vein written by any male anywhere, including some of the, mostly unknown in “The West”, Russian masters of that and similar genres.
Her other works, “Martha Quest” etc, I have not read, and unlike many here, I generally do not critique writers I have no knowledge of 😉
She also wrote “The Good Terrorist” which is a wonderful book about the sort of useless middle-class pseudo-Mao/Marx-ists the uk left produces so many of ( not a slight on you, btw).
You might even recognise many of the character-types in there somewhere, rowan, given that you appear to be familiar with that scene in the UK (maybe you did read it, maybe thats why you dislike her so much 🙂
Of course you could have found out all of that for yourself . . .

Posted by: rofl | May 21 2014 19:25 utc | 138

PS
The Left has been replaced by a false ideology of womens’ rights, gay rights, paraplegics’ rights, etc. In other words, the very purpose of Leftism has been forgotten. And you dare to gloat, after forty years of political regression. Bevin may be a wooden horse, but he doesn’t deserve that, or if he does, I’d prefer that that particular form of contempt be directed at me, so that I can answer it with a few choice ‘mysogynist’ insults.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 20, 2014 1:24:16 PM | 133

Imo it is precisely because of people like Prof. Emeritus Bevin that the left has been rendered so utterly useless.
The bold Prof himself speak so hilariously eloquently about “the wretched of the earth” without any evidence at all being availabe that he’s ever so much as breathed the same air, in the same room, as aforesaid “wretcheds”. I seriously doubt, for all his flowery revolutionary talk about them, that he’s ever met one, let alone “fought beside” them.
The flowery Prof bevin for example sees slavery as a simple “White man vs everyone not white” dichotomy, and refuses to acknowledge that skin-colour has historically had little to do with the ability of the enslavers to enslave the wretched of the earth. That false dichotomy he spreads is pure Zio in it’s origin. Before “the White man” enslaved non-white wretcheds, he was busy perfecting his art on others every bit as “White” as he was.
All that is required is to portray some group as less than human, less civilised than ones own group, in order to make their enslavement seem acceptable. Admittedly, Skin color is a useful differentiation for that, but its far from being the only one and not at all necessary.
Religion, ethnicity, socio-economic class etc are every bit as useful to the enslavers, and have been used by them long before skin colour got a look-in. But Prof Bevin has in the past loudly rejected such eviedence, in favour of promoting skin-colour alone as the predominant factor. Indeed Prof Bevin considers alternatives to his oversimplistic story of slavery to be somewhat akin to “slavery apologia”.
which is all the evidence one needs to neatly slot the utterly clueless Prof bevin into that category of useless leftist idiots you railed against so ferociously @133

Posted by: rofl | May 21 2014 20:06 utc | 139

Apparently Lessing’s 5 book sci fi socio-pol series is “officially” known as “Canopus in Argos”, which you probably wouldn’t like at all, rowan. Never saw you as an Argos shopper 😉

Posted by: rofl | May 21 2014 20:17 utc | 140

I was there, rofl. I remember it all.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 1:25 utc | 141

“I coulda bin a contenda!” Rowan seems to say @141
Anyway, just continue on my current theme of how absolutely and totally wrong you are regarding your loudly expressed but completely uninformed views on Lessing, here’s a quote from her on “feminism”

    “What the feminists want of me is something they haven’t examined because it comes from religion. They want me to bear witness. What they would really like me to say is, ‘Ha, sisters, I stand with you side by side in your struggle toward the golden dawn where all those beastly men are no more.’
    Do they really want people to make oversimplified statements about men and women?In fact, they do. I’ve come with great regret to this conclusion.”
    —Doris Lessing, The New York Times, 25 July 1982

So she utterly rejected the silly oversimplification inherent in statements like “men are . . . ” & “women are . . .”, the sort of statement both you and the feminists seem to favour when discussing the opposite sex.
And she would have had good laugh ridiculing anyone foolish enough to think that “critical analysis” is even remotely similar to something like “fighting alongside the wretched of the earth” – thats the sort of stupid thing useless leftys say all the time, and is one of the reasons that actual real-life “wretched of the earth” usually end up despising these salesmen of cheap clichéd & pathetically sentimentalist 2nd hand rethorical claptrap

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 7:07 utc | 142

Rofl, I have spelled this out before, but there’s no harm in spelling it out again: the whole argument of Marxism is that there is only one axis along which effective action against capitalism (which includes the whole sequence, culminating in the attempted world tyranny we see now) can be conducted, and that is the axis of economic class. Any other axis will abort the process, because it will be coopted (if indeed it was not created) by the ruling class. So in fact we have seen these abortive axes of resistance applied one after another, with the very accurate logic of a ruling class that has read Marx, digested him, and studied modern history accordingly, with the view of defeating Marxism by taking advantage of its own analysis of itself.
So first of all, we had the great wave of nineteenth-century nationalisms, the “springtime of the nations,” as it was called (so the “Arab spring” is not even original). The point of “the springtime of the nations” was primarily to roll back the progressive effects of the Napoleonic conquests, which had abolished serfdom in much of Germany and emancipated the Jews. The secondary purpose, exactly as today, was to destabilise the central European empires, meaning the Habsburgs and the Ottomans. All this appears to have been orchestrated by Palmerston, the brilliant and reactionary British Foreign Minister. And it worked.
Now, moving to the recent past, the necessity of rolling back the 1960s youth revolt, which was a mixture of Marxism and anarchism: first of all, anarchism itself was used against Marxism. And that produced considerable internal fissioning. Class consciousness is never very firm among university students, who were the youth rebellion’s shock troops. But then comes the decisive blow: organised, subsidised feminism (think Gloria Steinem in particular). By the early to mid seventies, all the possible flavors and varieties of feminism were out there, sapping the cause: bread-and-butter socialist feminism; ideologically convoluted pseudo-Marxist feminism (as in “wages for housework”, what a perfect anti-Marxist farrago that was); lesbian feminism (with wonderful neo-pagan undertones); existentialist feminism, in the style of Simone de Beauvoir; neo-Freudian feminism, in the style of Juliet Mitchell; Lacanian feminism (Julia Kristeva, Helene Cixous, Luce Irigaray); sadomasochistic feminism from California (Pat Califia) and on and on.
Then we had the gay movement, which sprang out of actual street life, but rapidly lined up alongside lesbian feminism and became the LGBT movement, a wonderful formula for clay pigeons and stalking horses all over the Arab world, who incidentally come to sticky ends, but the CIA doesn’t care about that… all using sub-marxian jargon and all perfect bourgeois tools. You get it now?

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 10:07 utc | 143

That’s fine Rowan – I actually understand all of that already, and “got it” a loooooooong time ago, long before I ever read anything at MOA or even Niqnaq
I came to similar conclusions yonks ago, and have also read you expounding at length on this subject many times, and agree with almost everything you have to say on that subject, BUT . . .

    “what has any of that to do with your amusingly ferocious rant against Doris Lessing?” 🙂

Your obvious beef again some woman at your housing association seems to have little to do with Feminism or any other “ism” for that matter, and seems a purely personal issue related to clash of personalities. Perhaps you should ask her out to a nice restaurant, for dinner (or maybe even a blowjob if you’re lucky, and can behave yourself sufficiently enough that she doesn’t feel so physically threatened as to feel the need to run screaming from the room)?
I have laughed my head off several times over the years at the stupidity of the North American and UK Left ranting about “Gay Marriage” etc etc while the US and UK militarys engage in illegal murder-sprees in the Middle-East and elsewhere, while their treasuries are openly looted, and the once-productive parts of their economies are rapidly vanishing down the toilet bowl

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 10:33 utc | 144

By the early to mid seventies, all the possible flavors and varieties of feminism were out there, sapping the cause: bread-and-butter socialist feminism; ideologically convoluted pseudo-Marxist feminism (as in “wages for housework”, what a perfect anti-Marxist farrago that was); lesbian feminism (with wonderful neo-pagan undertones); existentialist feminism, in the style of Simone de Beauvoir; neo-Freudian feminism, in the style of Juliet Mitchell; Lacanian feminism (Julia Kristeva, Helene Cixous, Luce Irigaray); sadomasochistic feminism from California (Pat Califia) and on and on.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22, 2014 6:07:10 AM | 143

that sort of thing didn’t start in the 70’s Rowan – TPTB have been co-opting/creating such movements and using them against their enemies for quite a long time. You should know by now that there really is “nothing new under the sun” as was said in Ecclesiastes 😉
There’s Emmiline Pankhurst for instance – described by wikipedia as

. . . (born Goulden; 15 July 1858 – 14 June 1928) . . . a British political activist and leader of the British suffragette movement who is credited with helping women win the right to vote.

the author of the anolen.com blog helpfully reminds us of Ms Pankhurst’s running interference for TPTB back in the days of World War 1:

Mrs. Pankhurst built a small, but very visible, political movement around limited suffrage for rich women like herself. To that end, she condoned arson and other violence. Her tactics earned her attention well beyond what her popularity supported and she became a ‘face’ of the wider women’s suffrage movement.
On the eve of World War I, however, Pankhurst told her followers to change their focus. Instead of women’s rights, they would promote the war at all costs.
Why this sudden change of stance? According to historian John Simkin, Mrs. Pankhurst began negotiations with the British government at the start of WWI.
The British leadership provided her with GBP 2000 to stop fighting for privileged women’s suffrage and to support the war effort instead. The British Government released all criminal suffragettes from prison too.
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Recap: ‘the man’ threw a lot of money at Pankhurst so that she would use her people in service of his war effort.
Pankhurst’s suffragettes stopped breaking windows and burning buildings. Instead, they bullied young men into fighting a stupid war. These were the ladies handing out ‘white feathers’. They charged people who opposed them with being ‘ethnically German’ (!); labor leaders who didn’t support Pankhurst were ‘bolshevik’; dovish politicians were ‘traitors’.

“Mrs. Pankhurst toured the country, making recruiting speeches. Her supporters handed the white feather to every young man they encountered wearing civilian dress, and bobbed up at Hyde Park meetings with placards: “Intern Them All.”

None of this behavior has much to do with rich women’s right to vote, does it? Mrs. Pankhurst’s dogs were turned on the government’s enemies. Now, Emmeline has a memorial statue outside the Houses of Parliament. Who said cheaters never prosper?
We can look back on Pankhurst’s legacy with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. We know that the British government had some clever tricks in their political play-book, and not just in the colonies. We know that for GBP 2000, Mrs. Pankhurst was willing to undermine suffragettes’ work, with no guarantee that their sacrifices would ever be rewarded.
We know that Mrs. Pankhurst was a paid political agitator.
Mrs. Pankhurst acted with a definite purpose, and I propose that the guys on our screens– the Appelbaums, Greenwalds and Becks of the world– do too. They’re our very own foundation-caked Okhrana.

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 12:17 utc | 145

I think you’re wasting my time with bullshit, actually, rofl. I have often encountered this sort of endless circular questioning, sarcasm and vainglorious boasting which seizes on trivia and attempts to waste the maximum amount of time with it. I call it ‘trolling’, and so do most other people. So waste your time with further comments if you wish, but I have much better things to do than respond any further.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 13:20 utc | 146