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May 21, 2014

Russia's "Isolation"

Wishful thinking:

Kerry warns of Russia 'isolation'

America and its allies are ready to step up measures to "isolate Russia politically, diplomatically and economically" unless Moscow orders its troops in Crimea back to their barracks, US Secretary of State John Kerry has warned.

Obama tries to rally world to isolate Russia

President Barack Obama gathered with world leaders in a day of delicate diplomacy, as he sought to rally the international community Monday around efforts to isolate Russia following its incursion into Ukraine.

Obama will meet Xi Jinping of China in attempt to isolate Russia over Ukraine

The White House has added meetings with the leaders of China and Japan to Barack Obama's visit to Europe and Saudi Arabia next week, as it seeks to use the six-day trip to build an international coalition and isolate Russia over its annexation of Crimea.


Russia’s VTB and Bank of China agree on domestic currency settlements

VTB, Russia’s second biggest lender, has signed a deal with Bank of China, which includes an agreement to pay each other in domestic currencies.

“Under the agreement, the banks plan to develop their partnership in a number of areas, including cooperation on ruble and renminbi settlements, investment banking, inter-bank lending, trade finance and capital-markets transactions,” says the official VTB statement.

Russia, Europe eye broader space cooperation - space corporation chief

Europe is an interesting partner for Russia’s United Rocket and Space Corporation (ORKK), its Director General Igor Komarov told a news conference at the International Aerospace Exhibition ILA 2014 in Berlin on Tuesday.

“Intensive work is underway in the sphere of Russia and Europe’s space cooperation,” he said, noting that a number of promising agreements had already been or would be signed at the exhibition and many contracts were under negotiation.

With Ukraine, Russia Drives Wedge Between EU, US

The crisis in Ukraine is giving Russia an opening to drive a wedge between the United States and Europe just as Western powers try to repair a struggling trade deal and decide how to bolster a cash-strapped NATO.
Germany and France have shunned sectorial sanctions without first trying again to broker a dialogue between Ukraine's government and pro-Russian separatists in the country's east — a step that garnered only lukewarm U.S. support.

Russia and China seal historic multibillion gas deal

Under the long-term deal, Gazprom will begin providing China's growing economy with 38 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year for the next 30 years, beginning in 2018. The details of the deal were discussed for more than 10 years, with Moscow and Beijing negotiating over gas prices and the pipeline route, as well as possible Chinese stakes in Russian projects.

Russia-India oil, gas pipelines in the works?

India's Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC) plans to invite Russia to build an oil pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan to India. In addition, the country’s largest gas company, GAIL, has proposed that Russia's future gas pipeline to China be extended to India.

China, Iran and Russia: Restructuring the global order

At the Fourth Summit of the Conference on Interaction and Confidence-Building Measures in Asia (CICA) that opens May 20 in Shanghai, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani will meet with both Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Among other things, the summit will underscore how rising non-Western powers are playing ever more prominent roles on the global stage. However, Western elites remain stuck in a time warp, wherein the United States and its European partners are the imperial masters of all they survey.

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Oh have no fear ToiboiS, no one here with any intelligence considers you a "Christian",

You're clearly something else, and definately not a "Christian". It is clear to anyone that has watched you shilling, day after day, that your allegiences lie elsewhere ;-)

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 8:47 utc | 101

Russia's contract with China is a huge game change. Not in the Western MSM

Russia and China announced plans for an intensified programme of military cooperation yesterday as part of a burgeoning “strategic partnership”.

As many as 25 joint manoeuvres will be staged this year in a demonstration of strengthening ties between Moscow and Beijing, Russia’s Defence Minister, Anatoly Serdyukov, said at a meeting with his Chinese counterpart Liang Guanglie.

Mr Serdyukov gave no details of the planned exercises but said that Russia was “satisfied with the level of our military and military-technical cooperation” with China. The talks took place ahead of a meeting in Moscow today (wed) of defence ministers from the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation (SCO), seen as an emerging rival to Nato.

The Kremlin underscored the SCO’s growing military role, saying that the meeting of defence ministers was one of its “most important activities”. The SCO held its first military exercises in 2007, when Russia’s then President, Vladimir Putin, praised the organisation’s “growing defence potential”.

Russia and China are founding members of the body along with the Central Asian states of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. India, Pakistan, Mongolia and Iran have observer status at SCO meetings.

Russia and China staged their first joint war games in 2005 after resolving outstanding border disputes between them. However, Moscow views Beijing as a lucrative market for defence exports and has sold billions of dollars of weaponry to China since the collapse of the Soviet Union ended their Communist rivalry.

There is also this

India seeks more Hong Kong and China investment amid building push

The country wants the mainland to spare cash reserved for overseas ventures on infrastructure projects in line with its US$1tr five-year plan

The US have no options/capital left.

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 8:49 utc | 102

yeah, pretty tiresome... Can you folks find another venue to discuss your religious-revolutionary ideas?

Hint: the topic of this post is Russia's "Isolation"

Posted by: citizen x | May 22 2014 8:52 utc | 103

Why don't we have a whole thread devoted to how irrelevant all the comments are to the thread's topic? Or would that be a logical impossibility?

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 9:21 utc | 104

Saker has a video up, said to be interesting, of the German Foreign Minister. Can anyone help me understand it?

DIE WELT Video: Steinmeier schreit Gegner nieder

Posted by: john francis lee | May 22 2014 9:38 utc | 105

Trying to swing back 'on topic' ... Russia and China Agree on $400 Billion Gas Deal.

Can it be that they really don't see the handwriting on the wall in AC/DC? The USA has brought their guns to a fight that's going to be settled in dollars. Without dollars, actually, No wants WW III but the guys in Washington who think they can win it. I'm an American and I'm going to be hurt really badly by the collapse of the dollar ... but I'll be glad when the bases are closed, the Navy is mothballed, and the fighters, the bombers, and the rockets are all out of fuel.

We've had over a decade to put an end to the wars ... all we've done is proven we're unable to. I'll take honest pauper over well-off murderer anyday and everyday.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 22 2014 9:47 utc | 106

okie farmer: quite possible .. unless Russia and China pay them off (eg Iraq Waar2.. why do you think the US won so easily, they paid off nearly all the generals). That is buy off the US generals.

The US economic elite is so stupid they will impoverish the US military people, they have already started with pension and benefit cuts to ordinary soldiers (and airmen etc). Eventually they will work up to the higher levels.. so they will be easy prey to some 'hard currency' offers.

After a lifetime of selling out to military corporations, when that money stops they will take it from anywhere, Mafia (some will... some already do.. where has all that Afghanistan opium money gone to...), some China or Russia.

If Russia and China are smart they will start buying them off now. New identities, Swiss Francs, their family (or lovers if they hate their families which I expect 80%+ to do)... and freedom.. just sell out the US.. heck they have lots of practice in that.

Posted by: oldskeptic | May 22 2014 9:57 utc | 107

Why don't we have a whole thread devoted to how irrelevant all the comments are to the thread's topic? Or would that be a logical impossibility?

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22, 2014 5:21:11 AM | 104

Pretty certain I've seen several of those already, rowan

Pretty certain you were there too, as were the usual clueless Left Crew*** ;-)


***(engaging in their usual "running interference" antics)

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 9:58 utc | 108

The CIA have lost no time in indicating their emphatic disapproval of the gas deal:

A blast in the capital of China's western region of Xinjiang killed 31 people, with around 90 others injured, state broadcaster China Central Television reported on Thursday. The blast took place when two vehicles rammed into a crowd at a morning market in Urumqi. Explosives were hurled from the vehicles and one of the vehicles exploded. Read more: VoR

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 10:09 utc | 109

Saker has a video up, said to be interesting, of the German Foreign Minister. Can anyone help me understand it?

DIE WELT Video: Steinmeier schreit Gegner nieder

Posted by: john francis lee | May 22, 2014 5:38:45 AM | 105

It's quite hilarious - first he rants about the anti-NATO protesters siding with what he calls the "war-mongers", then rather ironically, given what he just said a second or two beforehand, lectures them about the world not being simply divided between "Good" on one side and "evil" on the other (which is a fair point, but coming from Steinmeier is frankly nauseatingly hypocritical, but then he IS a fake-left politician (SPD) and Bundes Foreign Minister so "nauseatingly hypocritical" is actually part of the job description),

One of the Anti-NATO protestors then accuses Steinmeier himself of being the actual War-Monger, then shortly after that Steinmeier clearly decides that Farce is the order of the day, and very dishonestly claims that the protesters are actually the sort of people that want to throw Greece, Portugal etc, out of "Europe", dump the Euro and return to the Deutsch-Mark

All in all your basic Pol-speak bullshit designed to obfuscate, hiding what the real issue is for the protesters, and slander them to the max in the process.

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 10:15 utc | 110

Independant May 22 2014
Re Prince Charles' remark comparing Putin with Hitler-
Heather Saul reports

"..Labour Leader Ed Miliband said Prince Charles "has got a point" and suggested many Britons shared the Prince's concerns about Mr Putin's actions in Ukraine."

What a fatuous ill considered remark from someone hoping to lead the country.


Posted by: John Clayden | May 22 2014 10:24 utc | 111

Millipede is indicating readiness to obey Washington's every command. This is normal British Labour Party behaviour.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 10:31 utc | 112

This here is a kind of transcript and context of Steinmeier's speech.

The protesters shout "war monger" and their posters say "stop the fascists in Ukraine" and "no money for the fascists in Kiew"

Steinmeier counters that the real warmongers are the ones who call "the whole of a society fascist" and that this (calling the Kyiv government fascist) would drive the conflict towards war. He finishes with "No one has to tell Social Democrats why they are fighting for peace".

His problem is that he has recognized a Putsch government that includes fascists as legitimate. His other problem is that German Social Democrats are famous for having pushed for the 1st World War against Tsarist Russia. And that Germany played a huge role in Ukraine.

So Germans have a feeling they are lured into refighting World War I and II and the Cold War. Nobody is interested this time.

Steinmeier is on safer ground saying that the world is complex and does not consist of peace angels versus evil warmongers.

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 11:05 utc | 113

Oh yeah - I completely forgot to mention the whole "fighting for peace" thingy - that was a real side-splitter - bit like announcing that you are engaged in "fucking for virginity"

Steinmeier is on safer ground saying that the world is complex and does not consist of peace angels versus evil warmongers.

Posted by: somebody | May 22, 2014 7:05:21 AM | 113"

Well, "Ja! Naturlich . . " - even Hilter would have been on safe ground with that one

Posted by: rofl | May 22 2014 11:21 utc | 114

The deathly silence from the West's punditocracy is such a BIG message: We’ll Just Ignore What Russia-China Gas Deal Means? Multipolarity Is Here!

Posted by: fairleft | May 22 2014 11:22 utc | 115

Unknown gunmen attack a National Guard base in Volnovakha in Donetsk Oblast / People's Republic and kill some 20 Ukrainian recruits. Initial sources claimed the attackers were from the People's Militias but now Russian sources are spinning the story: the attackers were "punishers" paid by Kolomoyskyi.

I posted this summary on Facebook:

The Donbass People's Militia destroyed a National Guard unit in a early morning attack. Reports on the number of dead vary from 15 to 30. Russkaya Vesna cites local doctors and says 30 "visitors" were killed and another 35 people were hospitalized.

Junta coordinator Dmitry Tymchuk says on his Facebook page that 8 were killed and 18 wounded.
(Dmitry Tymchuk flew Ukrainian Mi-24 attack helicopters in Congo for the UN.)

The NazGuard base with recruits of the 51st volunteer brigade was located in the "Forrest Park" eco hotel between Volodymyrivka and Volnovakha near the H-20 road connecting Donetsk to Mariupol.Владимировка_(Волновахский_район)

The 30 militiamen of the People's Militia arrived in 2 Jeeps and lightly armored "collector vans" with markings of Privat Bank. These were possible confiscated from junta warlord, oligarch and Pravy Sector financier Ihor Kolomoyskyi in Gorlovka on April 28th.

The NazGuard had 3 BMP tanks. All were destroyed in the attack.

Police later arrived at the scene but they did not interfere with the military operation.

Other sources:

I later added this update:

UPDATE: L!FE News has a different spin to the story: The attackers were not militiamen but "punishers" working for Kolomoyskyi. Allegedly the base was attacked because the solders had refused to "crush the resistance" and to fire on civilians.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 22 2014 11:40 utc | 116

from Guardian

Associated Press in Blahodatne

Thursday 22 May 2014 12.04 BST


At least 11 Ukrainian troops have been killed and about 30 others wounded in an attack by pro-Russia insurgents on a military checkpoint, the deadliest raid in weeks of fighting in eastern Ukraine. The attack came three days before the country's presidential vote.

AP journalists saw 11 bodies scattered around the checkpoint on the edge of the village of Blahodatne, about 20 miles (30km) south of the city of Donetsk. Witnesses said more than 30 Ukrainian troops had been wounded when the insurgents attacked the checkpoint, and some of them were in a grave condition.

Three charred Ukrainian armoured infantry vehicles, their turrets blown away by powerful explosions, and several burned trucks stood at the site of the attack. A military helicopter landed on the site, carrying officials who inspected the area.

Posted by: okie farmer | May 22 2014 11:50 utc | 117

A bit offtopic but lets see how the alleged coup in thailand now will be handled by the US/EU.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22 2014 12:15 utc | 118

How is it that the US does not have its own rocket engines and we need to rely on the Russians to build them for us? Whoever thought this was a good idea should be strung up. At one time we were leaders in space technology. Now all we make is FarmVille and Facebook.

Then again, perhaps one of our brilliant PhDs working at a US investment firm could come with an new collateralized debt derivative that could be used to launch satellites into space.

Posted by: Cynthia | May 22 2014 13:18 utc | 119

"No one has to tell Social Democrats why they are fighting for peace" - that sounds like the sort of thing his predecessors in the Second International would have been saying at the outbreak of WW1.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 13:22 utc | 120

Posted by: rofl | May 22, 2014 7:21:29 AM | 114

What wound him up was that the protesters expressed the official Social Democrat position which Social Democrats vote for - fight against fascism and peace between nations. Presumably the protesters were from the Social Democrat youth organization.

What Steinmeier presumably was driving at and did not really get across was that the Russian side was warmongering by defining the conflict as a fight against the "fascist Kyiv junta".

As I said, unfortunately first, there was this coup enabled by fascists which he happened to recognize (and still does not denounce). So on a turf where Social Democrats are supposed to be able to score against Merkel (that is the "you don't have to tell Social Democrats" bit) he has bungled it.

Which would make anybody furious.

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 13:39 utc | 121

@MRW (1):

"...going to become a laughing stock"?

Thanks for delaying our fate, MRW!

Posted by: James Patrick | May 22 2014 13:40 utc | 122

@113: How are the other German parties of the left -- the Greens and the Left -- reacting to the Ukraine crisis?

Posted by: lysias | May 22 2014 14:19 utc | 123

The plutocrats in the U.S. will continue to buy off the high-ranking generals and admirals with cushy jobs after they retire, but history shows that colonels are perfectly capable of pulling off a coup d'etat. Especially if they have the support of a rank and file pissed off by broken promises that result in cuts in benefits.

Posted by: lysias | May 22 2014 14:23 utc | 124

Milla Jovovich: #Freeourguys

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22 2014 14:26 utc | 125

@92: The Romanovs were killed when they were because the Bolsheviks feared that the White forces under Admiral Kolchak, who were advancing in Siberia, were about to liberate them.

Posted by: lysias | May 22 2014 14:31 utc | 126

Cant you stop talking about Czar, jews etc and instead talk about the topic?
Today seems to be one of the most violent day in Ukraine.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22 2014 14:34 utc | 127

Cant you stop talking about Czar, jews etc and instead talk about the topic?

Stop talking? As far as I can remember, my last posting was the first one I have made about the Russian royal family on this forum.

Posted by: lysias | May 22 2014 14:52 utc | 128

It was Vladimir Hitler wot killed Cock Robin.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 22 2014 14:57 utc | 129


I wasnt talking about you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22 2014 15:04 utc | 130

Posted by: lysias | May 22, 2014 10:19:06 AM | 122

The Greens have been coopted right from the start in marketing the "Maidan revolution" with progressive values, anti-corruption, democracy and so on. Fascists were white brushed into being pro independence (from Russia) and Western values - there was no counter narrative until the power of fascist hooligans became too obvious in the de facto coup.

If you check the Green Heinrich Böll Stiftung on Ukraine then the narrative is - 1) we cannot prove the ultra nationalists are fascist, pro Russian groups are fascist, too 2) Russia is destabilizing the South-East.

The Greens also are likely to support the "Putin is authoritarian, anti-freedom", Russia is not a democracy, narrative.

Social Democrats are split between the pragmatic "Russia means energy, business and jobs" faction, anti-fascism, and being part of the German coalition government, ie. Steinmeier, toeing the Western line (with qualifications)

Die Linke (Gysi) consider the Kyiv government illegal and part fascist, the annexation of Crimea, however, illegal, too.

Conservatives are split between business with Russia and transatlanticism.

Everybody is just posturing, with no practical consequence.

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 15:13 utc | 131

Demian, it's been years since I've read it, but my recollection is that Johannes Rogalla von Bieberstein's Jüdischer Bolschewismus: Mythos & Realität has quite a bit to say not only about how many of the Bolsheviks were Jewish (as the title suggests), but also about the White Russian roots of Nazism.

Posted by: lysias | May 22 2014 15:30 utc | 132

since the red-green coalition under schroeder the greens outed themselves as eco-fascists of the worst kind. joschka fischer is a rabid warmonger and proud of his deeds. all greens i heard in german tv are fully supportive of maidan. there may be some anti-nato base in the party left, i guess they believe birkenstock sandals will bring world peace, but the party leadership is the worst german political establishment has on offer.

Posted by: svd | May 22 2014 15:49 utc | 133

Posted by: lysias | May 22, 2014 11:30:40 AM | 131

Who is a raving right wing lunatic member of this colonialist enterprise.

White Russian roots of Nazism are impossible as Nazis considered Slavs as "Untermenschen", remember?

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 15:51 utc | 134

thanks to whoever posted the article by peter lee in asia times online. it's quite good.. i think it was fairleft who posted it.. here is the link.

US in a 'Eurasia' pickle
By Peter Lee

Current US China policy seems to be "Who Needs Russia? We've got ... The Philippines!"

Posted by: james | May 22 2014 16:06 utc | 135

ot - Russia demands explanations from London on Prince Charles' comments on Russian president

Posted by: james | May 22 2014 17:22 utc | 136

@Anonymous #127:

White Russians are relevant to this topic. The last transmission of what appears to be the premier Russian news program, which has been all about the Ukraine for months, ended by pointing out that Crimea was the last bit of Russia that the defeated White Russians saw, and interviewing a few White Russian emigrés, who expressed how happy they are that Crimea has been reunited with Russia.

Thus, it needs to be pointed out that when scalawag goes on with his anti-White Russian rants, he is out of touch with the contemporary Russian mainstream.

It is natural for White Russians to come up in threads about the Ukraine crisis, since White Russians are the Russian equivalent of Banderists.

Posted by: Demian | May 22 2014 18:36 utc | 137

Amazing how ethnic BS distracts. It works.. since forever ..

Ppl keep quoting the Saker, after a quick look, at top right, the emblem of the blog, a large and bright, in your face, St. George ribbon, and the slogan, Russia is Freedom! (??)

Reading a few posts, he is extremely religious, sincerely devout (orthodox) and all that is fine, and he seems a nice chap, as far as I can see, and well informed. But how come fans of the Saker and the ethno-religious discussions are polluting this board? How can this kind of muddled religious-ethnic-stuff illuminate energy deals between China and Russia? Why don’t Saker fans post on Saker’s blog? Loving Putin and Mother Russia is of course acceptable, as for the French to love de Gaulle and their own brand of nationalism, or for Americans to worship Obama as the first cool black president, etc. etc.

I’m guessing because it is reductive, and thus comforting. It evacuates the economy, finance, geo-politics, banking, transport, agri and food (god forbid one should mention Ukranians who will soon be not exactly starving but lacking much if not killed outright in provoked civil war) and completely leaves out the major dangers of this situation.

(Not all posts go in this direction ..)

Posted by: Noirette | May 22 2014 20:33 utc | 138

Posted by: Noirette | May 22, 2014 4:33:57 PM | 138

It was marketed this way - as a historic theme park. And as a provocation for the Russian audience.

Look here.

It is probably needless to say that in the context of the continuing chauvinist propaganda against the Ukrainian “fascists” that is coming from Russia, this was hardly a surprise. This photo was a representation of Western totalitarian liberalism, against which I have unfolded my own information campaign for the sake of mockery through various mediums – from academic texts to the absurdist “neo-Nazi” photographs. This method is no different from, for example, that of the extremely provocative techniques of the “anthropology professor” Orest Liutyi, who, with his “severe Ukrainization” videos, supports and confirms the paranoid phobias of the average Russian citizen about Ukraine.

Let us not forget about the well-known comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, who is of Franco-Cameroonian origin and who is famous for his “anti-Semitic” comedy and memes, and for his pseudo-Nazi salutes, all of which are aimed at the Hollywood “Holocaust industry” and the double standards of the Zionist lobbies that represent all forms of national self-determination apart from that of Jews as anti-Semitism, racism and Nazism.

It is Pussy Riot, Femen, now Nazi - whatever, provocation ...

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 20:55 utc | 139

Why the revival of nationalist myths in Ukraine should alarm us

If we shed the tit-for-tat logic of propaganda and refutation, the most important issue that comes into view concerns the history of Ukrainian ethnic nationalism during World War Two and its memory. Historian Omer Bartov has long pointed out a fundamental problem which substantial parts of Ukrainian society, in and outside Ukraine, still find hard to acknowledge: it is not possible to glorify ethnic nationalists as freedom-fighting heroes and examples for today and, at the same time, to be honest about their anti-Semitism, ethnic and political mass violence, and collaboration with Nazi Germany. It is true that this collaboration was less extensive than what it could have been, had Nazi Germany accepted the Ukrainian nationalists as allies the way it did with Slovakian and Croatian ones. Moreover, some Ukrainian nationalists also periodically clashed with the Germans and were persecuted by them. Yet there is no doubt or room for argument about a simple fact: the record of Ukrainian World War Two nationalism includes massive, politically motivated, and deliberate violence against civilians, including participation in the Holocaust and the mass-murderous ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands of Poles. - See more at:

Posted by: somebody | May 22 2014 23:29 utc | 140

' How is it that the US does not have its own rocket engines and we need to rely on the Russians to build them for us? Whoever thought this was a good idea should be strung up. At one time we were leaders in space technology. Now all we make is FarmVille and Facebook. '

Posted by: Cynthia | May 22, 2014 9:18:18 AM | 119

You can 'play' at war or you can play in space. Spam in a can ... human beings in space ... are expensive. Just as 'cannon fodder' is expensive in war.

It's drones, drones, drones now - all the way down. In the electorate, too.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 23 2014 0:39 utc | 141

' The deathly silence from the West's punditocracy is such a BIG message: We’ll Just Ignore What Russia-China Gas Deal Means? Multipolarity Is Here! '

Posted by: fairleft | May 22, 2014 7:22:23 AM | 115

No story in the MSM ... few as they are ... has mentioned the most salient aspect of the deal ... its not in dollars ... its in Yuan and Ruples,

They are whistling past the graveyard.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 23 2014 0:44 utc | 142

Thanks rofl 110 and somebody 113 for your insights.

All that I have read coming from the German Foreign minister has been terrifying. He seems completely onboard for war.

Next question ... why do the German Greens support war?

Posted by: john francis lee | May 23 2014 1:11 utc | 143

I guess there are some things I'm not allowed to say on this website.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 23 2014 1:45 utc | 144

Yup ... just cannot talk about the German Foreign Minister or the German Green Party's support for war in the Ukraine.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 23 2014 1:48 utc | 145

Why not? Talk away JFL.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 23 2014 5:13 utc | 146

Steinmeier now making things worse

Asked by a group of foreign journalists in Berlin today about the outburst, Steinmeier said he was unnerved by the accusations and contrasted them with Germany’s dovish position among North Atlantic Treaty Organization counterparts.

At NATO “I get the accusation that Germany has so much understanding for Russia, always speaks with Russia, always phones with the foreign minister, and much more,” Steinmeier said. “Then I come back to Germany and here at events I get accused of having no understanding for Russia.”

In the video, the normally unruffled Steinmeier can be seen hollering a rebuttal to the accusation that the European Union is supporting war and “fascists” in Ukraine.

Posted by: somebody | May 23 2014 9:01 utc | 147


Pathetic germans, not that they are any different from any other western government but they are a power and should take a stance against the warmongering by nato/US, now we see that german government have no balls in doing that - just do what nato wants. Thats sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23 2014 9:09 utc | 148

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2014 5:09:44 AM | 147

:-)) As a matter of fact they don't, they just don't talk about it. That is why Steinmeier feels so wronged.

Merkel seems to have dragged her feet on NATO membership of Ukraine, NATO troops in the Baltics and EU membership of Ukraine whilst stupidly forging a "conservative alliance" with Timoshenko and Klitschko, and basing EU/German policy on an Ukrainian faction, not on the government of a country.

They simply miscalculated Timoshenko's popularity and seem to have been genuinely unaware that she would have to split the country to succeed.

They also miscalculated Russia's reaction, both, Conservatives and Social Democrats.

Merkel immediately distanced herself from Timoshenko when Timoshenko began to say things like "we will join the EU next year".

No one in Germany seems to have thought this through. But everyone knew - since the last football championship at least - about the neo nazi problem in Western Ukraine, and they all were hypocritical about it, Steinmeier included. So the heckling is well deserved.

Posted by: somebody | May 23 2014 9:41 utc | 149

Well, as memewolf (these names sometimes deserve applause) asked on the other thread, who is Kolomoisky taking the rap for? And the obvious answer is Tymoshenko. Toria Nudelman is going to get behind Tymoshenko, you can bet your life, and before long Tymoshenko will be anointed in Washington, wonderful photo ops with Obama at his most obsequious and Yulia at her most haughty, and she will be like Catherine the Great in Usaian TV land.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 23 2014 9:48 utc | 150

That piece of crap made my day:

Putin's presence at the meeting was significant for China-Russia relations at a time when both are diplomatically isolated

But the reason for western shitstorm is serious:

China's president called Tuesday for the creation of a new Asian structure for security cooperation based on a regional group that includes Russia and Iran and excludes the United States.

Posted by: Michał | May 23 2014 13:10 utc | 151

Oldie but good :)

Funny that Putin and Merkel have the same mouth expression.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23 2014 14:13 utc | 152

there's something disgustingly wrong with the server for this site, as seems to be the case most days nowadays. but I have a gem for you. I was, y'know, groovin around the web, trying to find explanations for the concept of 'systemic sanctions' actually, and I came across this, which is about a month old, by some John Cassidy dude in a New Yorker online blog, and the beauty of it is that it could be applied to any fucker whomsoever in the entire world who annoys their self-intoxicated majesties in Manhattan. It is here, quite seriously, intended for Pres Putin of Russia, but it must have served with minor adjuistments for Slobodan Milosovich, Saddam Hussein, the Ayatollahs (all of them), Hugo Chavez, Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. And here it is, ladies and gentlemen, the all purpose american putdown for your leader:

Putin’s failure to rein in the pro-Russian forces that have seized buildings in Donetsk and other cities raises three disturbing possibilities: first, that he is not fully in control of the local militants (sic! - RB); second, that his cost-benefit analysis doesn’t weigh the economic costs imposed by the sanctions very highly; and third, that he’s not the wily rational actor everybody has assumed him to be. He might be something else.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 23 2014 20:13 utc | 153

I had asked if the statements of the German Foreign Minister in support of war in the Ukraine did not terrify others as they terrified me and if anyone could help me understand why the German Green Party, too, is so supportive of war in the Ukraine.

Posted by: john francis lee | May 23 2014 22:46 utc | 154

JFL, that sounds like a fair question, and I doubt that bernhard would have censored it, though I can imagine that nobody responded to it, not because they are trying to shield the Greens, but because the Greens are a minor irritant compared with the giant parties, which are all using their characteristic rhetorics to defend what the rest of us see as the most terrifying global nazism emanating from Washington. It's always been true that Green parties everywhere are very easily coopted by progressive liberals and such, who are just outriders of the empire. This is why Marxists always hammer on about how the only effective form of resistance is class based (not mother nature based, or religion based, or we are a holy nation based, or anything else). So, Greens being useless involuntary cogs of the empire is not new, it's a general pattern throughout the west and has been ever since Greens were invented. And that is not even to mention the eco-fascist 'deep ecology' types who every now and then try and seize control of the Green parties from their usual warm and fuzzy eco-humanist majority leaders.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 24 2014 4:04 utc | 155

@ 155.
Amen regarding the (eminently, if not eagerly) co-optable Greens. In Oz, their reputation for selling out is starting to hurt them. So is their reputation for being comfortably insulated, bored, middle-class.
Dangerously Stupid would sum them up nicely...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 24 2014 17:24 utc | 156

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