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May 31, 2014
Open Thread 2014-13
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why is it nothing ever seems to happen in saudi arabia? is that because we never get any news about sa, or is it because the news is so stifled, anything that happens never gets reported as it is against ‘the law’ of the fiefdom? Posted by: james | May 31 2014 14:57 utc | 1 No big mystery. It’s because they keep the oil flowing and park a lot of money in the UK. Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:10 utc | 3 Not to mention their huge collection of expensive weaponry. Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:14 utc | 4 Not to mention their huge collection of expensive weaponry. Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:16 utc | 5 Have Saudis annoyed the British, recently?
Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 16:18 utc | 7 Or the US NYT – May 29
Will everything be ok, should the Iran-Saudi detente end? Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 16:21 utc | 8 and don’t forget the policeman’s shoe… Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:28 utc | 9 thanks folks. it’s interesting. i guess the fact that the general populace is so restricted – can’t do this, can’t do that – this is part of the reasn why we have very little info on saudi arabia internally. that and also the interpretation of whatever religious book they are reading from is so far removed from the reality that everyone else seems to be working from – if they are working from one – might explain a good deal of this.. or is it the simple idea that power corrupts? Posted by: james | May 31 2014 16:29 utc | 10 @10 I think a lot of them genuinely believe all that Wahabbi stuff. I don’t understand how they equate it with boozing and whoring in London. Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:36 utc | 11 They have among the highest world percentage in obesity, diabetes, and cosanguinity. Get the picture. Posted by: Mina | May 31 2014 17:10 utc | 12 Now Poroshenko declared that the Maidan is the enemy of the people. Things are getting interesting.
Posted by: PuppetMaster | May 31 2014 17:11 utc | 13 Sounds like some areas of the US I could name. Posted by: SufferinSuccotash | May 31 2014 17:35 utc | 14 Or maybe this development?
or this
Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 17:49 utc | 15 James. Then there is the fact that Saudi Arabia is full of immigrants living in semi-slave conditions. Posted by: bevin | May 31 2014 18:07 utc | 16 Geopolitics – Saudi Style
Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 18:17 utc | 17 @somebody Posted by: SufferinSuccotash | May 31 2014 18:27 utc | 18 Frontline broadcast “The Battle for Ukraine”. It is worth the time to watch to see what corporate funded Public Broadcasting System is telling Americans: Posted by: VietnamVet | May 31 2014 18:31 utc | 19 Does anyone have any information or opinion on this article that could be laying the ground for some biological warfare – I do hope not. I particularly dislike the reference to supposed secret US biolabs in Eastern Ukraine towards the end of the article. Posted by: Austrian | May 31 2014 18:44 utc | 20 Saudis believe that when a man talks with a women, it’s already a threesome because Mr Devil is here to stimulate them into ‘sin’, even on social network. Posted by: Virgile | May 31 2014 19:06 utc | 21 Posted by: Austrian | May 31, 2014 2:44:20 PM | 20
It is possible though that the lab was meant as part of a counter-programme against suspected surviving Soviet biological weapons programmes. Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 19:14 utc | 22 The situation in Novorossiya as of 30 May:
Posted by: scalawag | May 31 2014 20:24 utc | 23 Donetsk People’s Republic has evidence that Kiev uses foreign mercenaries
US doubles budget of aid to military in Ukraine – media
It’s been obvious the USA has been running the junta’s terrorist operations for quite some time, just like they directly run most of the terrorism against Syria. Now it looks like the USA is slowly working up the propaganda to allow them to overtly engage in their terrorist operations in the Ukraine. Again, much the same way they overtly run the terrorism against Syria. Posted by: scalawag | May 31 2014 20:37 utc | 24 With most of the focus on Ukraine, Russia and various nascent conflicts in the South and East China Seas, what is interesting is how this week Obama’s “Africa pivot” became a hot topic in the mainstream press. First, there was Eric Schmitt’s Tuesday frontpage story in the NYT, “U.S. Training Elite Antiterror Troops in Four African Nations,” where he basically synopsizes what Nick Turse and other writers have been saying on TomDispatch.com for a long time. Then there was this story, again from Schmitt, on Friday, “U.S. Strategy to Fight Terrorism Increasingly Uses Proxies.” Take a look at this quote:
As a reporter, Eric Schmitt is indistinguishable from a government employee. What he reports has an official imprimatur. This is clearly a public diplomacy roll out, situated both before and after Obama’s West Point address, announcing Africa as the primary future focus of GWOT. In other words, expect many more drones and special forces crusades to fill the newspapers. Posted by: Mike Maloney | May 31 2014 21:18 utc | 25 Russian Spring
Q: Today, Media reported of burying a combatant who downed that helicopter with an Ukrainian general.
Q: A group of the social network “Vkontakte” casts, allegedly, from your name.
Russian Spring
Q: Once again, the anti-terrorist leaders celebrate demise of the Nona (self-propelled mortar). How is it indeed?
Q: Immediate situation?
Q: Some doubt Ukrainian losses so much greater than separatists’ – contrary to the reports from Igor` (Strelkov) ; some “experts” estimate total losses less than 100.
Q: Such an accuracy?
Posted by: Fete | May 31 2014 22:35 utc | 26 Resisting the Drums of War
Overall there looks to be a lot of information on this site (this is my first time seeing it though), Media Psychology Review, for those interested in the psychological effect of media framing and narrative. Posted by: guest77 | May 31 2014 23:15 utc | 27 I just went to Mother Jones and a huge popover Bently ad appeared. Sign of the fucking Times. Posted by: guest77 | May 31 2014 23:36 utc | 28 Ronald Thomas West: Military Sock Puppets, NSA Trolls & CIA Shills
Also, a great takedown of that soulless old vampire Zbigniew Brzezinski and his Washington Post article that came out just after Crimea became Russian territory again. Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 0:00 utc | 29 Under Erdogan’s Islamic fervor, will Aya Sofia become a mosque?
Posted by: Virgile | Jun 1 2014 0:41 utc | 30 @Virgile #30: The Ossetian-Chechen composite battalion in Donbas (in the opinion of the witness + video)
There are 4 videos accompanying the article. Russian version: Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 1:03 utc | 32 Posted by: Demian | May 31, 2014 8:56:38 PM | 31 Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 1:18 utc | 33
And further south, Palestine, and maybe Egypt, if Sisi proves to be more of a Nasser, than a Sadat/Mubarak. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 1:36 utc | 34 The fact that Greece is still hitched to the austerity wagon is exhibit #1 for the empty promises of democracy in the West in general and the EU in particular. Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 1:53 utc | 35 Is there any evidence that Sisi will be a Nasser? At this point he is just looking like Mubarak in a stupid hat. Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 1:55 utc | 36 Posted by: guest77 | May 31, 2014 9:55:33 PM | 36 Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 2:04 utc | 37 Belarus is an interesting country. It has refused to implement the privatizations and shock therapy applied in places like Ukraine. 80% of industry and 75% of banking is still in state hands. It has managed to maintain some social standards. It has maintained a income equality at the levels of Germany and the Scandinavian states, and it managed this while posting pretty astonishing growth rates during the mid-2000s (it was growing at an average of 7.4% during those years). I would suggest that it is by these measures that it has avoided the bloody fate we see befalling the Ukraine. Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 2:47 utc | 38 Something is up in Saudi Arabia :-))
Of course, the Telegraph gets it wrong, here (which is fun). It is Britain that is trying to attract Saudi contracts, not the other way round. Posted by: somebody | Jun 1 2014 3:05 utc | 39 More sudden Saudi stuff – this time not the MSM, but a press release
Posted by: somebody | Jun 1 2014 3:56 utc | 40 Posted by: guest77 | May 31, 2014 10:47:30 PM | 38 Posted by: somebody | Jun 1 2014 6:38 utc | 42 The pro-Kiev side displays some realism; this was posted in the Kiev Post:
Posted by: somebody | Jun 1, 2014 2:38:30 AM | 42
From: The Jamestown Foundation through some EU propaganda site. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 8:50 utc | 44 Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1, 2014 4:43:54 AM | 43
Interesting way of describing the indiscriminate murder of children in order to instil terror and submission of the local population. But, then, look who their western instructors in “perception management” are. You are right, though, the piece is a little more realistic in the sense they admit they have essentially been defeated in winning over the east to the nazi side. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 8:59 utc | 45 Posted by: james | May 31, 2014 10:57:07 AM | 1
why is it nothing ever seems to happen in saudi arabia? james at 1. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2014 11:33 utc | 48 From an interview of Kolomoisky, Tribune de Genève, 31 may. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2014 11:53 utc | 49 Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1, 2014 7:53:25 AM | 49 The German-speakers here may be familiar with this story, but a lot of the English-speakers may not be: Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jun 1 2014 13:48 utc | 51 We may have a lot of new technology, but we play the same old games:
Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 15:17 utc | 52 @16 bevin.. thanks. i was aware of all that and it is truly disturbing which is why i find it so fascinating how saudi arabia gets a regular pass in the mainstream media. Posted by: james | Jun 1 2014 15:33 utc | 53 An 5 page exhaustive description of what is going in the south of Syria.
Posted by: Virgile | Jun 1 2014 15:38 utc | 54 Step by step:
Posted by: Fran | Jun 1 2014 15:41 utc | 55 Ahmed Nehmeh, the Syrian Hiftar fighting against Islamist extremists in Syria is been made prisoner by Al Nusrah
Posted by: Virgile | Jun 1 2014 15:56 utc | 56 re 31: Still, that is no reason to give Turkey a free pass when it comes to Cyprus. Posted by: alexno | Jun 1 2014 16:43 utc | 57 Comprehensive article on the Russian strategy with regard to the Ukraine. It answers the question: “why isn’t Russia sending in troops to defend the people of the southeast?” among many others and puts the Russian strategy in the context of the “big picture” they are faced with regard to western aggression. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 17:05 utc | 58 An article on the state of Ukrainian regular army troops, by Gennady Volkov, a Ukrainian reporter. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 18:13 utc | 59 @33 “…Both Turkey and Greece are colonies of the “new” capitalist master race. So they have a squabble over crumbs, who cares…their regimes are both colonies of Israel. It’s Syria and Lebanon who count here…” Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2014 18:20 utc | 60 China gets it right:
Look, obama and his pals dont dare having eye contact with the russians haha Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 1 2014 18:54 utc | 62 Crosstalk RT on ukraine Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 1 2014 19:24 utc | 63 Ambassador to Libya seems to declare that Islamist militias in Libya are similar to the Minute Men militias of the American Revolution: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4499751/islamists-founding-fathers Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 19:47 utc | 64 Posted by: bevin | Jun 1, 2014 2:20:28 PM | 60 Posted by: scalawags | Jun 1 2014 20:00 utc | 65 What russian news sites are you guys often visiting? Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 1 2014 20:47 utc | 66 http://www.c-span.org/video/?319506-1/ambassador-deborah-jones-libya Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 20:49 utc | 67
That is part of a report by somebody in Crimea called Auslander who visited a refuge center there. You can read the rest of his report here. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 21:40 utc | 68 If anyone is still posting here, Marine Le Pen, the advocate for the NATION STATE has said that she wants to bury the EU. Posted by: Fernando | Jun 2 2014 0:36 utc | 69 Russian Spring
Q: Assuming Kiev announces amnesty, how many locals would continue to remain in ranks of combatants?
Q: Any ideology to glue the struggle?
Q: Comments on today videos of drills of special combat units “Kharkov-1” and “Slobozhantsina”
Russian Spring
Posted by: Fete | Jun 2 2014 3:37 utc | 70 Posted by: Fete | Jun 1, 2014 11:37:57 PM | 70 Posted by: scalawag | Jun 2 2014 5:13 utc | 71 Don’t have any sympathy for the Right Sector and Svoboda volunteers thugs who make up most of the National Guard, but do have some for the draftees in Ukraine’s army:
1 Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 2 2014 10:21 utc | 73 I have been looking up and thinking about the Ukr. oligarchs. I was wondering, amongst other things where Poroshenko fits in. More and more I am thinking that their role is underestimated and not properly explained. Anyway, here is one article which is OK, gives a good summary. Posted by: Noirette | Jun 2 2014 11:23 utc | 74 Regime attack with jets, many dead. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2 2014 13:03 utc | 75 @Fete 70 Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 2 2014 16:11 utc | 76 Brussels Terror Attack and Mossad Connection Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jun 2 2014 18:43 utc | 77 Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jun 2, 2014 2:43:52 PM | 77 Posted by: scalawag | Jun 2 2014 19:09 utc | 78 paty kerry, Posted by: james | Jun 2 2014 20:52 utc | 79 It’s of utmost importance to spread latest detailed information about using nukes in WTC on 9/11 leaked by Russians through VeteransToday. B should start a separate thread on that crucial topic IMHO. What do you think? Posted by: PP4ever | Jun 2 2014 23:26 utc | 80 Probably just rumor Posted by: guest77 | Jun 2 2014 23:28 utc | 81 @81 Though I would add, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy. Posted by: guest77 | Jun 2 2014 23:29 utc | 82 Didn’t see this here: Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 3 2014 1:58 utc | 83 Adding: Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 3 2014 2:04 utc | 84 Monopolist financial fraud and butt rape being instituted as a societal norm of human relations. Israel in a nutshell. Posted by: scalawag | Jun 3 2014 4:02 utc | 85 I searched for Dr. Alan Sabrosky on this site and found no match. Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jun 3 2014 6:28 utc | 86 @PP4Ever 80 Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 3 2014 6:48 utc | 87 80 Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 3 2014 11:29 utc | 88 JDL threat PressTv reporter. Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 9:20 utc | 89 the cunts are vomiting bs all over, Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2014 9:39 utc | 90 Why is organ trafficking so “popular” in Israel? Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 11:57 utc | 91 OT: This is probably boring but I just want to repost this I made on another site – probably an unflattering measure of my egoism to boot.
Posted by: guest77 | Jun 5 2014 2:58 utc | 92 I see the english are dead set on proceeding with their star chamber trial against Naveed Baluch, along with un-named defendants one each of Azerbaijani, Turk & Algerian ethnicity tho english citizenship. Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 5 2014 3:01 utc | 93 Modi is no doubt a great threat to the Indian people, but he doesn’t appear to the the threat I imagined he might be to Russia and China (based on my short jaunt through the internet). Posted by: guest77 | Jun 5 2014 3:03 utc | 94 Not that what I put in @94 should eclipse this… Posted by: guest77 | Jun 5 2014 3:05 utc | 95 wow, its that time of the yr again….4/6. Posted by: denk | Jun 5 2014 18:03 utc | 96 since Wall Street (via CIA) is an ultimate source of terrorism, the WSJ is the best of establishment media in covering terrorism and if one knows how to read between the lines it is quite informative; I wonder how many of its readers take these things at face value? Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jun 5 2014 21:47 utc | 97 hinese workers killed by boko harm, currently the *terrarists in vogue* , actually, its the cunts *top security concern* accodring to washington. Posted by: denk | Jun 7 2014 18:08 utc | 99 Another myth debunked http://rt.com/op-edge/163872-china-tiananmen-square-june4/ Posted by: ruralito | Jun 8 2014 2:52 utc | 100 |
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