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May 31, 2014

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Posted by b on May 31, 2014 at 14:32 UTC | Permalink

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why is it nothing ever seems to happen in saudi arabia? is that because we never get any news about sa, or is it because the news is so stifled, anything that happens never gets reported as it is against 'the law' of the fiefdom?

Posted by: james | May 31 2014 14:57 utc | 1


bc saudis support the statehood?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31 2014 15:32 utc | 2

No big mystery. It's because they keep the oil flowing and park a lot of money in the UK.

Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:10 utc | 3

Not to mention their huge collection of expensive weaponry.

Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:14 utc | 4

Not to mention their huge collection of expensive weaponry.

Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:16 utc | 5


Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:17 utc | 6

Have Saudis annoyed the British, recently?

BBC, May 30

Shia voice discontent at Saudi Arabia's ruling Sunni

In a special investigation for the BBC's Our World, Saudi journalist Safa Al Ahmad has gained unprecedented access to film in the region.

She spoke to activists, some of whom were on the government's most wanted list, and uncovered how the Shia community was reacting to a violent government crackdown.

Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 16:18 utc | 7

Or the US NYT - May 29

A senior Saudi Arabian cleric has issued an edict against online chatting between the sexes, equating such activity to the prohibitions on the physical mingling of unrelated men and women, the news agency Al Arabiya reported Thursday. It said the cleric, Sheikh Abdullah al-Mutlaq, a member of the Saudi Committee of Senior Scholars, had warned that such conversations were religiously forbidden and might lead to sin. Al Arabiya quoted the cleric as saying “the devil would be present when women talk to men” on social media network sites. It was unclear how seriously the cleric’s declaration would be enforced in Saudi Arabia, where roughly half the population of 27.3 million are Internet users, an estimated six million use Facebook, and online chat forums appear to be common. Social media for political messaging in Saudi Arabia is strictly forbidden, however. Reporters Without Borders, a press freedom advocacy group, has classified Saudi Arabia as among the most repressive countries in a global ranking on news and information censorship.

Will everything be ok, should the Iran-Saudi detente end?

Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 16:21 utc | 8

and don't forget the policeman's shoe...

Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:28 utc | 9

thanks folks. it's interesting. i guess the fact that the general populace is so restricted - can't do this, can't do that - this is part of the reasn why we have very little info on saudi arabia internally. that and also the interpretation of whatever religious book they are reading from is so far removed from the reality that everyone else seems to be working from - if they are working from one - might explain a good deal of this.. or is it the simple idea that power corrupts?

Posted by: james | May 31 2014 16:29 utc | 10

@10 I think a lot of them genuinely believe all that Wahabbi stuff. I don't understand how they equate it with boozing and whoring in London.

Posted by: dh | May 31 2014 16:36 utc | 11

They have among the highest world percentage in obesity, diabetes, and cosanguinity. Get the picture.

Posted by: Mina | May 31 2014 17:10 utc | 12

Now Poroshenko declared that the Maidan is the enemy of the people. Things are getting interesting.

One of his[Klitshchko] first public statements after securing office was a call to Maidan activists still residing in the city center to leave.

“The key goal of the Maidan – ousting the dictator – has been reached, so the barricades should be dismantled,” he said.

Similar statements came from the elected president, Petro Poroshenko.

“No Maidans would affect the president, no matter how much anyone would want it. Otherwise Maidan would no longer be the will of the people and would turn into a common spin technique. I know how to deal with such techniques,” he said.

Posted by: PuppetMaster | May 31 2014 17:11 utc | 13

Sounds like some areas of the US I could name.

Posted by: SufferinSuccotash | May 31 2014 17:35 utc | 14

Or maybe this development?

Saudi Gazette - China's Xinjiang choices

Saudi Arabia or the OIC should represent the Muslim world and start diplomatic discussions with Chinese officials on this issue. As of now, there are no Muslim countries protecting the rights of the world’s Muslims. The OIC should roll out confidence building measures and strategies to safeguard the interests of Islam and Muslims worldwide.

or this

Saudi Aramco awards China Harbour $550m Jizan contract

Port and harbour specialist awarded water intyake facilities for gasification scheme

Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 17:49 utc | 15

James. Then there is the fact that Saudi Arabia is full of immigrants living in semi-slave conditions.

Half of them are very cheap and biddable labour- the Angry Arab often reports on the appalling treatment at the hands of their employers.
And then there are the tens of thousands of Pakistani and other muslim security guards who police the state. They are mercenaries on contracts who are immune to the ebb and flow of Saudi politics.

In almost every sense, Saudi Arabia has to be the most corrupt and evil polity among the "West"s allies. And that is saying something.

Workers in the west only have to look at conditions in the Gulf states to see what sort of a future is being planned for us all.

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2014 18:07 utc | 16

Geopolitics - Saudi Style

The role played by the Saudis in Syria fits into the broader framework of Riyadh’s support to Islamic extremism throughout Eurasia, from the Balkans to Central Asia, passing through the Caucasus. Nevertheless, while in the Balkans the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army, though financially helped by Saudi Arabia, was mostly trained and equipped by the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the increasing Salafist character of the insurgencies in Russian Northern Caucasus and Chinese Xinjiang underlines a much greater Saudi involvement.

The transformation of both regions into independent, Wahhabi states, is conceived by Riyadh as part of a preventive containment strategy against a nuclear Iran, whose regional influence might be so extended as to include majority-Shia Iraq and Azerbaijan, as well as Persian-speaking Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Hence the importance of encircling a potential Persian bloc from the West through the establishment of the Syrian Islamic State promoted by the Syrian Islamic front, from the North through the independence of the self-proclaimed Caucasus Emirate, and from the East through the independence of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic State promoted by the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement.

Despite widespread conviction that control of the Tartus naval facility, currently Russia’s only base in the Mediterranean, is the mail goal at stake in the Syrian war, Iran is indeed the major objective of the external forces involved in the conflict. Nevertheless, while the United States and its allies often find themselves facing the dilemma whether to support or not Wahhabi fundamentalism as a means to put pressure on Tehran, as well as on Moscow and Beijing, Riyadh’s policy proves to be much more resolute, as well as far-sighted.

And this info - from Russia

U.S. President Barack Obama tried to convince the King of Saudi Arabia to coordinate actions in the oil market to reduce world oil prices, the main source of Russia's export revenues, and "punish its behavior" in Crimea. Experts estimate that if the prices are reduced by as little as 12 dollars per barrel, the Russian Federation will lose $40 billion in revenue. There has been a precedent, because this is precisely how the USSR collapsed. ... It would seem that a price reduction of $12 dollars is possible, but the situation in Saudi Arabia is not easy, said Sergey Demidenko. "First, there are not that many readily available deposits, and there is a need to develop more complex fields. This automatically increases the cost of a barrel. Moreover, the country is now facing an unstable social situation and needs a serious financial cushion to solve social problems. The Kingdom remains an island of calm, but only because they push their opposition out of the country to the outside edges of global jihad, and this is a boomerang that sooner or later will come back to them. To ensure that the people do not follow the extremists, they must be bribed. This is why Saudi Arabia will not agree to this plan, it's quite obvious," said the expert.

Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 18:17 utc | 17


Evidently something's going on, tho we aren't supposed to know about it.

Posted by: SufferinSuccotash | May 31 2014 18:27 utc | 18

Frontline broadcast “The Battle for Ukraine”. It is worth the time to watch to see what corporate funded Public Broadcasting System is telling Americans:

This is the best documentary I have seen of a country falling into a Civil War. The video recording taken by the father of one of Maiden protestors of being under sniper fire is harrowing. The Right Sector is shown to be authoritarian Nazi thugs they are. Their hatred of Russians is clearly depicted.
Yet, exactly opposite is what was shown, the documentary blames Vladimir Putin for Ukraine’s break up. There is no mention of Western support and training for the revolt. Nothing is said about the Oligarch’s looting of Ukraine and the breakdown of civil society. The ethnic hatred between Western Ukrainians and Russians is centuries old not decades. There is no mention of Western support for the Nazis and that the intent is to destabilize and loot Russia. It does not mention the restraint of Russia to date. But, most importantly the documentary does not indicate that if the slaughter of civilian Russians by the Right Sector and National Guard continues in Eastern Ukraine, Russia will have to intervene. NATO will then counter invade and the world will be one incident away from WWIII.

Posted by: VietnamVet | May 31 2014 18:31 utc | 19

Does anyone have any information or opinion on this article that could be laying the ground for some biological warfare - I do hope not. I particularly dislike the reference to supposed secret US biolabs in Eastern Ukraine towards the end of the article.

A New Smallpox-like disease breaks out in Georgia

Posted by: Austrian | May 31 2014 18:44 utc | 20

Saudis believe that when a man talks with a women, it's already a threesome because Mr Devil is here to stimulate them into 'sin', even on social network.
Then they are bound to go to hell, therefore the role of the Ministry of Virtue is to prevent this to happen. Saudi Arabia does not want to have the highest number of their citizens in hell.

Posted by: Virgile | May 31 2014 19:06 utc | 21

Posted by: Austrian | May 31, 2014 2:44:20 PM | 20

There is more on this lab or non lab

Sources in the Georgian intelligence community state that it is no coincidence that there are many high-level Intel links between Boston, (not only MIT and the Lincoln Lab but other facilities) and the Tbilisi lab project. The Boston facility is working closely with Army DA G2 (intelligence) on biometrics and intelligence applications. They are specifically jointly developing Biometric (DNA, Voice, Facial), and forensic technology policy and operational concepts. The Boston lab undertakes many programmes for the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Defense in these areas.

Based on reports by the Russian-based Strategic Culture Foundation late last year, Georgian intelligence assets “more favourable” to Prime Minister Bidzina Ivanashvili have connected the dots between the late alleged Boston Marathon bomber, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the CIA-linked Jamestown Foundation and the training of Dagestani and Chechen operatives, as well as Tsarnaev, at seminars in 2012 which were co-sponsored by Ilia State University in Tbilisi. Here too is an apparent Tbilisi-Boston connection.

Georgian intelligence has in fact now become a gushing spring of information on CIA and Mossad activities in the Caucasus and the surrounding areas and the links these have to Boston-based projects involving Tbilisi. There is a reason for this. It is obvious that the deal with DTRA and the Defense Intelligence Agency concerning the Lugar Center, made by the pro-U.S. and pro-Israeli President Mikheil Saakashvili, is not acceptable to the new Georgian government.

It is possible though that the lab was meant as part of a counter-programme against suspected surviving Soviet biological weapons programmes.

Posted by: somebody | May 31 2014 19:14 utc | 22

The situation in Novorossiya as of 30 May:

"1. Sporadic and heavy at times fighting around Slavyansk and the outlying villages on 29 May with no notable successes for the Nats Army and national guard units. Some losses reported for the national guard units.

2. A half battery of Grad missile launchers, BM-21, is in position within range of Mariupol. As of this morning that unit has not fired. Range of Grad missile is up to 35 kilometers.

3. A half battery of Grad missile launchers is in position within range of Slavyansk.

4. I have no positive verification of a Grad missile attack on Slavyansk. This does not mean an attack did not occur. Something very large and multiple did hit the outskirts of an outlying village but I have no source at the impact spots to verify what the impacts were.

5. Sources report that the Donbas Army action at Donetsk Airport was a trap involving proposed negotiations with certain Ukraine Army units under the auspices of a western organization in Donetsk at that time. Sources report that shortly after the negotiations started the Ukraine Army sent in by air strong reinforcements to their unit in airport as the Ukraine Army units in airport attacked the Donbas Army unit.

6. The transport of the Donbas Army wounded in convoy out of the airport area late Monday evening was arranged as a truce to succor the wounded. The two Kamaz transport trucks were each flying a red cross flag and a white flag of truce. They drove in to an ambush set up by right sector/national guard units. The drivers of both trucks were killed. One truck overturned after striking a curb. The other truck was hit by an RPG round. The surviving wounded were killed by right sector on the spot. As the wounded were being killed the two flags were removed from each truck by right sector operatives.

7. Partisan activity has started 3 days ago in Kharkov Oblast around Kharkov City among other areas targeting national guard/right sector units. 29 May losses to two national guard/right sector units were heavy in ambushes.

8. Vostok Battalion 29 May started an operation around Donetsk Administration Building of the Donbas Republic to stop looting by certain Donbas Army members after strong complaints from citizens. Metro supermarket near the airport was heavily looted by Donbas Army members as were several other shops and stores and much of the loot was stored in 3 tents in the area of Donbas Administration Building, one tent having the contents and perpetrators shown on video. Reports are 7 looters were arrested and are awaiting trial. Reports from Ukraine and west media that the looters were shot are false.

9. After the anti looting operation was completed Vostok Battalion had the square in front of Donbas Administration Building cleared of the barricades to provide access for citizens to the facility and to facilitate easier defense of the area in the event of a Ukraine attack.

10. Civilian casualties in Donbas are mounting with the random artillery attacks by units of the Ukraine Army and national guard/right sector. 29 May saw 8 civilians killed in Donbas and a like number of wounded. Some of these casualties were caused by air burst antipersonnel rounds fired from howitzers of the Ukraine Army. Targets are living areas with flats buildings with no visible Donbas Army units in the areas.

12. Families of mobilized Ukraine Army reservists held a large demonstration in Kiev at the Ukraine Parliament Building demanding the return of their husbands and sons. By Ukraine law reservists can not be mobilized for more than 45 days without a declaration of war against another sovereign state by Ukraine. This declaration of war has not been made. Kiev has ordered the mobilization extended indefinitely.

13. One of the two Ukrainian helicopters shot down on 29 May was carrying the commanding general of the 'national guard' who was also 'the commander of field operations for national guard units'.

14. Ukraine has rejected the offer of humanitarian aid from Russian Federation for the two Oblasti of Donetsk and Lugansk.

15. An attempt on 29 May to evacuate children from certain areas of Slavyansk was unsuccessful. Ukraine Army units blockading the city refused passage to the buses carrying the children.

16. A refugee processing center has been set up in the Federal City of Sevastopol of the Russian Federation to aid in the settlement of refugees arriving from areas of fighting in Ukraine. Several hundred refugees have arrived in Sevastopol as of 17:00 29 May and are being housed and fed in the city. A like number are being succored in Simferopol, the capitol of the Autonomous Republic of Krimea of the Russian Federation. A processing center is schedule to be set up 30 May in Simferopol to help the refugees. More refugees are expected in both cities. A like facility for refugees will be set up in the eastern Krimea city of Kerch if needed."

Posted by: scalawag | May 31 2014 20:24 utc | 23

Donetsk People's Republic has evidence that Kiev uses foreign mercenaries

"We hear the English language on the air (radio communications interception), we have seen lists (of people), who were captured in the airport. Judging by the names, the people put down for allowances are obviously of foreign origin. They are Anglo-Saxon. It is not clear - American or Britons. They have snipers; and good ones. Their manners, their weapons make it easy to define them as foreigners…They are clearly not Ukrainian military," said Borodai.

According to Borodai, Kiev "could hire foreign private military companies." "I'm not talking about a foreign intervention. The world market for such specialists is wide," said the Prime Minister of the DPR. He says this information was confirmed by the Ukrainian military. "Those who graduated from Ukrainian military academies, who served in the ranks of the Ukrainian armed forces, are now fighting on the side of the DPR. There are ties between our guys and our enemies. There are people who do not want war and don't want to kill their brothers… They speak with us on the telephone and on walkie-talkies. They say it themselves. They say: guys, we are sorry, we don't control the situation, we're not commanders," said Borodai.

US doubles budget of aid to military in Ukraine – media

"During the last three months, we doubled the budget of the US military aid to Ukraine. Particular emphasis is placed on the improvement of combat readiness of the Ukrainian border-security troops and their ability to defend the borders of their country. I expect that this assistance will continue to grow," the American diplomat said in an interview with ZN.UA (Mirror of the Week. Ukraine).

Pyatt has confirmed the earlier widespread information that a delegation of representatives of the Pentagon was going to visit Ukraine next week in order to discuss the US support in the defense sphere. Yesterday, the press service of the US Embassy in Ukraine informed RIA Novosti that Deputy Minister of Defense for international security, Derek Chollet, would visit Kiev on June 2."

It's been obvious the USA has been running the junta's terrorist operations for quite some time, just like they directly run most of the terrorism against Syria. Now it looks like the USA is slowly working up the propaganda to allow them to overtly engage in their terrorist operations in the Ukraine. Again, much the same way they overtly run the terrorism against Syria.

Posted by: scalawag | May 31 2014 20:37 utc | 24

With most of the focus on Ukraine, Russia and various nascent conflicts in the South and East China Seas, what is interesting is how this week Obama's "Africa pivot" became a hot topic in the mainstream press. First, there was Eric Schmitt's Tuesday frontpage story in the NYT, "U.S. Training Elite Antiterror Troops in Four African Nations," where he basically synopsizes what Nick Turse and other writers have been saying on for a long time. Then there was this story, again from Schmitt, on Friday, "U.S. Strategy to Fight Terrorism Increasingly Uses Proxies." Take a look at this quote:

Across Africa this year, soldiers from a 3,500-member brigade in the Army’s First Infantry Division are conducting more than 100 missions, ranging from a two-man sniper team in Burundi to humanitarian exercises in South Africa.

Since 2006, the Defense Department has spent about $2.2 billion in more than 40 countries to train and equip foreign troops in counterterrorism and stability operations, according to the Congressional Research Service. This year alone, the Pentagon is spending $290 million on programs that include border security assistance to Lebanon and a counterterrorism battalion in Niger, in West Africa.

Mr. Obama on Wednesday proposed a Counterterrorism Partnerships Fund of up to $5 billion to “facilitate partner countries on the front lines.”

In explaining the rationale for the fund, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, said: “We’re dealing with networks, and not just regional networks, but global networks of terrorists. So this fund would be used to deal with all of our efforts on counterterrorism.”

As a reporter, Eric Schmitt is indistinguishable from a government employee. What he reports has an official imprimatur. This is clearly a public diplomacy roll out, situated both before and after Obama's West Point address, announcing Africa as the primary future focus of GWOT. In other words, expect many more drones and special forces crusades to fill the newspapers.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | May 31 2014 21:18 utc | 25

Russian Spring



The day passed steadily intensely. As usual, the adversaries’ howitzers barraged “Semenovka”. Then we revenged busting a mortar on a bridge at “Red Liman”. And its squad as well. Threatening with an attack again. We are ready again. My impression – they promise attacks on evenings that we sit and wait through night, because, themselves, they fear the night combat. Although, let us see.

Q: Today, Media reported of burying a combatant who downed that helicopter with an Ukrainian general.


I will certainly inform him… he might not know yet, poor man…

Q: A group of the social network “Vkontakte” casts, allegedly, from your name.


Officially announce - I am not associated with the activity of the group. Have no “Vkontakte” account. Have given no permission to post under my name.

Russian Spring


Q: There are big army depots in “Artemovsk”, which store loads of fire arms and armored vehicles. Why have not the separatists overtaken these?


What is there is much either stolen or made incomplete, last month this was going on intentionally. Most is in need of extensive repair. The greater problem, though, is quite strong security force. While we were gaining strength to take on this, the adversaries began their Anti-Terrorist-Operation.

Q: Once again, the anti-terrorist leaders celebrate demise of the Nona (self-propelled mortar). How is it indeed?


Well and sound.

Q: Immediate situation?


We are combat-ready.

Q: Some doubt Ukrainian losses so much greater than separatists’ – contrary to the reports from Igor` (Strelkov) ; some “experts” estimate total losses less than 100.

(Strelkov’s) Deputy:

Why doubt that are not greater? Not fair; their “Novotroitsky” roadblock lost, on may 24th, 36 200th’s (nomenclature for killed) , 61 300th’s (wounded), 3 BMP-2 (infantry carrier) and 1 T-64B (tank).

Q: Such an accuracy?


I was driving by just that time (smiling). When Igor` (Strelkov) quoted 11 fallen – this was from reconnaissance, those, who were seen next to combat vehicles and in field. The most were in wooded area, where all the attackers’ fire concentrated. Secondly, the locals buried corpses, their count was 36. The info of wounded is official – from doctors of a hospital of “Gold Well”, where the wounded were transported. Why the Ukrainian Media had closed access to the area and was mum of the casualties – do not know. Think of a sort of headquarters in the woods.

Posted by: Fete | May 31 2014 22:35 utc | 26

Resisting the Drums of War

“Resisting the Drums of War” demonstrates how images and messages are used to frame a topic to influence the viewer. (See David Giles article in this issue for a discussion on Media Framing). In this case, the video tackles the war in Iraq showing that it was promoted by targeting the audience’s concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. This video is not only an example of how media can be used to influence perceptions, but how the power of media can be used to counteract inaccuracies and political agendas. Available also on YouTube.

Overall there looks to be a lot of information on this site (this is my first time seeing it though), Media Psychology Review, for those interested in the psychological effect of media framing and narrative.

Posted by: guest77 | May 31 2014 23:15 utc | 27

I just went to Mother Jones and a huge popover Bently ad appeared. Sign of the fucking Times.

Posted by: guest77 | May 31 2014 23:36 utc | 28

Ronald Thomas West: Military Sock Puppets, NSA Trolls & CIA Shills

New info on an old topic: How the Military Uses Twitter Sock Puppets to Control Debate and Suppress Dissent March 7, 2014

In 2011, activists claiming to belong to Anonymous hacked private intelligence contractor HBGary. The resulting treasure trove of leaked documents, among other things, proved the US military had ordered persona management software -- sometimes called "Metal Gear" -- that would allow, per installation, fifty people to control up to 500 fake Twitter accounts. The contracts stipulated that the sock puppet accounts be "replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally, and geographically consistent.”

Also, a great takedown of that soulless old vampire Zbigniew Brzezinski and his Washington Post article that came out just after Crimea became Russian territory again.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 0:00 utc | 29

Under Erdogan's Islamic fervor, will Aya Sofia become a mosque?

Muslim group prays in front of Hagia Sophia

Prominent imams, including Saudi Arabian reciter Shaykh Abdullah Basfar, were present at the event.
The crowd left the area after the prayer chanting slogans that say Hagia Sophia should be a mosque.

Posted by: Virgile | Jun 1 2014 0:41 utc | 30

@Virgile #30:

Speaking of Turkey, it has always mystified me that Turkey gets essentially no bad press in the West for continuing to occupy Cyprus, especially considering how much animus there is in the West against Israel's occupation of Palestine.

Before scalawag accuses me of engaging in hasbara, I will note that Israel's occupation has destroyed many more lives, and continues to destroy them, than Turkey's has. Still, that is no reason to give Turkey a free pass when it comes to Cyprus.

Posted by: Demian | Jun 1 2014 0:56 utc | 31

The Ossetian-Chechen composite battalion in Donbas (in the opinion of the witness + video)

"Blogger is divided original observations on best international group of soldiers fighting for the freedom of South East:

"At first glance, the team rather strange: people of different faiths and even different countries (South Ossetia is not Russia), but the explanation is very simple.

During the Georgian aggression the first to help the Ossetians came the famous "Vostok" battalion under the command brothers yamadaevyh. The battalion long been disbanded, brothers Yamadaeva destroyed Kadyrov (Chechen disassembly to delve will not, it's long), but friendship grateful Ossetians and courageous Chechens remained.

On Donbass first leaked Ossetians. In a week or two began to be tightened and Chechens.

Sergey Shargunov met with them a couple of days ago. One of his first questions: "Against whom war, guys?"

Instant and friendly reply: "How, against what? Against Americans!"

Frankly, I am madly loved this wise answer. The enemy feel no head and heart... it is a pity that many of them that the people that summit still believe that it's the Russians and Russian speaking at war with Ukrainians.

Note: the last video explains a lot in the logic of international militia.

There are 4 videos accompanying the article. Russian version:

Осетино-чеченский сводный батальон на Донбассе (мнение очевидца + видео)

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 1:03 utc | 32

Posted by: Demian | May 31, 2014 8:56:38 PM | 31

"Before scalawag accuses me of engaging in hasbara"

You want to be a bevin mk.2? ;)

Both Turkey and Greece are colonies of the "new" capitalist master race. So they have a squabble over crumbs, who cares...their regimes are both colonies of Israel. It's Syria and Lebanon who count here.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 1:18 utc | 33

"It's Syria and Lebanon who count here."

And further south, Palestine, and maybe Egypt, if Sisi proves to be more of a Nasser, than a Sadat/Mubarak.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 1:36 utc | 34

The fact that Greece is still hitched to the austerity wagon is exhibit #1 for the empty promises of democracy in the West in general and the EU in particular.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 1:53 utc | 35

Is there any evidence that Sisi will be a Nasser? At this point he is just looking like Mubarak in a stupid hat.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 1:55 utc | 36

Posted by: guest77 | May 31, 2014 9:55:33 PM | 36

"Is there any evidence that Sisi will be a Nasser? At this point he is just looking like Mubarak in a stupid hat."

About as much of the former as there is of the latter.

Sisi is less owned by the west than Mubarak, and very much less owned than Morsi. That does not make him another Nasser, by a long shot, somewhere in between.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 2:04 utc | 37

Belarus is an interesting country. It has refused to implement the privatizations and shock therapy applied in places like Ukraine. 80% of industry and 75% of banking is still in state hands. It has managed to maintain some social standards. It has maintained a income equality at the levels of Germany and the Scandinavian states, and it managed this while posting pretty astonishing growth rates during the mid-2000s (it was growing at an average of 7.4% during those years). I would suggest that it is by these measures that it has avoided the bloody fate we see befalling the Ukraine.

Plus you know it is acting independently because its' president, Lukaschenko, has had all the usual mud thrown at him: he's Europe's last anti-gay pro-Hitler anti-semite dictator, apparently.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 2:47 utc | 38

Something is up in Saudi Arabia :-))

A major challenge for Saudi Arabia in attracting more foreign investment will be to change perceptions of the kingdom. Although its strict adherence to Sharia law and issues concerning the rights of woman have drawn some international criticism, the kingdom is undergoing a process of gradual liberalisation and modernisation under the leadership of King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud.

The Dutch government was recently forced to send a diplomatic mission to Riyadh to diffuse tensions over anti-Islamic stickers distributed by far-right politician Geert Wilders. The episode had threatened to provoke a ban on Dutch companies in Saudi and endangered $2.7bn-worth of exports to the kingdom.

Despite these cultural sensitivities, Al-Othman says that the kingdom is opening up quickly and shrugging off the “misperception” of being a difficult place for foreign investors to access, work and do business.

“There is no doubt that we haven’t been doing enough to tell the story of Saudi Arabia. We can do more to change the misperceptions about the ease of doing business in the kingdom,” said Al-Othman.

Of course, the Telegraph gets it wrong, here (which is fun). It is Britain that is trying to attract Saudi contracts, not the other way round.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 1 2014 3:05 utc | 39

More sudden Saudi stuff - this time not the MSM, but a press release

May 30, 2014 (EIRNS)—The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is not immune from liability for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, since there is detailed evidence in the record showing its material support for, and assistance to the hijackers, asserts a legal brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on May 21.

The brief was filed in opposition to the appeal filed by the Kingdom, following the ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit last December, reinstating the Kingdom and related Saudi "charities," as defendants in a multi-million dollar lawsuit brought by 9/11 victims and their families, as well as insurance companies seeking recovery for damages paid.

The Obama Administration has not yet indicated whether it will intervene on behalf of the Saudis, as it did in the lower courts.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 1 2014 3:56 utc | 40

SS Titanic

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 6:04 utc | 41

Posted by: guest77 | May 31, 2014 10:47:30 PM | 38

Yep, Lukashenka seems to do a more successful Ukraine act in balancing EU and Russia.

Posted by: somebody | Jun 1 2014 6:38 utc | 42

The pro-Kiev side displays some realism; this was posted in the Kiev Post:

Poroshenko’s Vietnam Boris Danik June 1, 2014, 8:56 a.m

... Disengaging from Donbas will require political courage, but it seems the only way to stop the bleeding, deprive Mr. Putin of his pressure engine, and deal first with the European Union rather than checking with the Kremlin.

The status quo is degenerating into more destabilization and bloodletting. The quasi-military tactics employed by Ukrainian side, with a sparse network of extremely vulnerable roadside checkpoints manned by a few dozen fighters, some of them with marginal training, are utterly inadequate if the separatists are to be “crushed”, as recently promised by some government officials.

Petro Poroshenko’[s] vowing of revenge for the loss of lives in the downing of Ukrainian helicopter on a transport mission near Donetsk shows the absence of a coherent plan for dealing with the messy trap in Donbas. It is because no sensible plan is feasible, except to extricate from this conundrum.

Ukraine is in no position to pacify Donbas by force. It would require sending an army of occupation (call the spade a spade), many thousands of troops to secure large cities and the countryside, even if Russia stayed out. The argument that the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts are mostly ethnically Ukrainian, and therefore can be coaxed to reason with a mix of checkpoints and some poetic approach is outdated. ...

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1 2014 8:43 utc | 43

Posted by: somebody | Jun 1, 2014 2:38:30 AM | 42

"Yep, Lukashenka seems to do a more successful Ukraine act in balancing EU and Russia."

From: The Jamestown Foundation through some EU propaganda site.

At least your shilling is consistent. ;)

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 8:50 utc | 44

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1, 2014 4:43:54 AM | 43

From the Kiev Post article:

"can be coaxed to reason with a mix of checkpoints and some poetic approach"

Interesting way of describing the indiscriminate murder of children in order to instil terror and submission of the local population. But, then, look who their western instructors in "perception management" are. You are right, though, the piece is a little more realistic in the sense they admit they have essentially been defeated in winning over the east to the nazi side.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 8:59 utc | 45

Posted by: james | May 31, 2014 10:57:07 AM | 1

The Shi'a and pro-democracy protests in Saudi Arabia's eastern provinces have been going on since 2011, and this has been real-time reported and prominently in the Iranian media. It's not secret, it's censored, and videos and other contacts are widespread in Arabic.

Dozens if not more have died, and the BBC calling it a "hidden uprising" is disgusting. Hidden deliberately by and for the West and its blood-and-oil-soaked Saudi ally.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1 2014 9:16 utc | 46

Ukraine's (and Poroshenko's) Vietnam

...At the risk, well certainty, that this piece is becoming a b lovefest...

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1 2014 10:16 utc | 47

why is it nothing ever seems to happen in saudi arabia? james at 1.

The W media publishes little or nothing about KSA because anything it could dig up would sound (and even more, look) absolutely disgusting, even horrifying to the point of taking action, to their W audience: identity politics, legal system, drugs, punishment, religion, poverty, health, inequality, mortality, prostitution, treatment of animals!, ‘slavery’ incl. sex slavery, foreign workers, etc. ... Can’t be having that!

So all you get is some mild hoo-ha about commercial ventures and partnerships (education, say), with a bit of spice about quarrels between princes and successions etc. Journos and reporters know they can’t get anything published that would seriously damage KSA’s image, so they don’t even try.

Surely KSA itself censors on its home ground (idk how) but it probably doesn’t have to do much more. So it is an informational ‘black hole’, with an occasional ‘break’ which *always* concerns relations between the sexes, or the rights of women, which sounds ‘weird’ or ‘ugly’ to W audiences, but is, after all, a cultural matter. (see somebody at 8. for ex.) I mean, for ex., KSA is not the only country that executes homosexuals (or has statutes that permit.) Israel is another country that gets a similar kind of ‘pass’ on social / legal / local issues, amply covered up by all the other news from there.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2014 11:33 utc | 48

From an interview of Kolomoisky, Tribune de Genève, 31 may.

My excerpts, trans, and /paraphrase./

? It is not a civil war. These are terrorist attacks organised and financed with money stolen from the Ukranian people, by, amongst others, Yanukovitch and his family. (...) They are carried out by mercenaries coming from Russia. There will be no peace until they are annihilated.

Putin? I think Putin has decided to destroy Ukraine by dividing it. (...) he won’t stop, until he realises we are resisting, which we are. At the same time, I think Putin doesn’t know how to get out of this situation (...)

? I am the governor of the Dnierpropetrosk oblast, this region is under the command of the southern section of the regular army, which we support. We have created a fund that compensates their lack of money. So far (27 May) we have collected about 10 million CHF. Half the money comes from oligarchs, the other half from small businesses and individuals. (...) 100 CHF given by an individual means more than my millions!

Troops? Yes. We are forming a battalion of 423 volunteers, who will be placed under the command of the regular army. /Explains that not anyone can join, only previous army - trained - etc. /

Why are you offering money for arms or for arresting saboteurs? These rewards are designed to collect arms that are circulating freely, which can fall into the hands of anyone, alcoholics, bandits, drug addicts. Ok! I’ll up the ante (1): 5,000 dollars for a Kalash’. And from 10,000 to 100,000 dollars for a Russian agent. That’s normal! These guys are well trained for combat, they can easily kill 10 people before they are caught.

From another article in F (linked below)

Amongst oligarchs we decided, to calm the political situation, to share out the regions. Rinat Akhmetov to Donesk, Victor Pinchuk to Zaporijiya and me to Dniepropetrovsk.

1. He had announced the day before he would increase the sums.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1 2014 11:53 utc | 49

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 1, 2014 7:53:25 AM | 49

The triumph of democracy in Ukraine, what a beautiful thing:

"Among oligarchs, we decided to calm the political situation, to share out the regions. Rinat Akhmetov went to Donetsk, Victor Pinchuk to Zaporijiya and me in Dnepropetrovsk."

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1 2014 13:21 utc | 50

The German-speakers here may be familiar with this story, but a lot of the English-speakers may not be:

This a translation of the transcript of an intensive investigative report on the Maidan killings in February done by the German news program 'Monitor'. It originally aired on April 10th. It went viral on the German social media, and I kept expecting that some English-language source would pick up the story and follow it, but it hasn't happened yet. So I did my own translation and posted it to WikiSpooks. Enjoy...

Seamus Padraig

Posted by: Seamus Padraig | Jun 1 2014 13:48 utc | 51

We may have a lot of new technology, but we play the same old games:

While on a campaign in Egypt, Napoleon learned that Joséphine was having an affair and wrote a distraught letter to his brother. The letter was intercepted by the British and published in newspapers, causing Napoleon great embarrassment. [link]

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 15:17 utc | 52

@16 bevin.. thanks. i was aware of all that and it is truly disturbing which is why i find it so fascinating how saudi arabia gets a regular pass in the mainstream media.

somebody. thanks for those links related to saudi arabia. very interesting.

@46 fairleft and @47 noirette. thanks.

all the western powers seem in cahoots with keeping a lid the bullshit. as one of somebody's links showed, the west doesn't appear to want to jeopardize any possible flow of money (or oil) to their own country and are willing to do whatever it takes - basically complete silence on the bullshit from saudi arabia is considered acceptable which tells us just how selective news reporting on the international scene is..

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2014 15:33 utc | 53

An 5 page exhaustive description of what is going in the south of Syria.

Transcript: Phil Sands on Syria’s fragmenting southern front

What is the situation on Syria’s southern front? What kind of ground do the rebels hold and where are the regime focus?

The regime is going on the offensive there at the moment. They basically had lost a fair amount of ground there to the rebels over the last couple of years. The rebels hold a lot of Deraa city, which is the main urban centre in the south, right on the Jordanian border. And they hold a lot of territory to the west of the area as well on the border with Israel and the Golan Heights.

The regime is still strong, however. The regime is present in the northern part of Deraa city and to the east where Sweida is, which is largely a Druze area and the regime is pretty strong there. It’s not as though it’s all held by the rebels or all held by the regime. But the rebels hold a large area of territory and it’s just not that far from Damascus, which is probably why the regime is so worried about it, in contrast to the north where the rebels probably hold more or as much physical territory, but it’s just that much more distant from Damascus.

The regime seems to have launched a new assault in the last couple of week

Read more:

Posted by: Virgile | Jun 1 2014 15:38 utc | 54

Step by step:

‘Taken under control’: GPS sites in Russia can’t be used now for ‘military purposes’ — RT News

Russia has “taken under control” the operation of 11 American GPS sites and ensured they cannot be used for military purposes, as Washington and Moscow show no progress in negotiations on setting up Russian GLONASS stations on US territory.

May 31 was the last day when Russia and the US could have reached a deal on the issue.

“In compliance with the Russian government’s instruction, Roscosmos and the Federal Agency for Scientific Organizations implemented measures on June 1, 2014, which excluded the use of information from global seismographic network stations working on signals from the GPS system and located on the territory of the Russian Federation for purposes not stipulated by the existing agreements, including for military purposes,” Russia’s Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) said on Sunday morning.

The statement referring to agreements between Russia and the US, which date back to 1993 and 2001, stirred up some confusion in the media with some outlets reporting GPS stations work has been suspended, while other said they continued to work. Russia's deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, the official behind the move elaborated:

"We have worked out and implemented measures that exclude the use of these [GPS] stations for military purposes. Now they are under our full control," Rogozin, who is in charge of space and defense industries, wrote in his Twitter micro blog.

Posted by: Fran | Jun 1 2014 15:41 utc | 55

Ahmed Nehmeh, the Syrian Hiftar fighting against Islamist extremists in Syria is been made prisoner by Al Nusrah

The man at the centre of southern Syria’s crumbling rebel alliance

AMMAN // As he drove between meetings with rebel factions in Deraa province last month, Ahmed Nehmeh, a senior officer in the Free Syrian Army, was ambushed and, after a car chase and a gunfight, captured.

Three days later he reappeared, in a video uploaded to YouTube, a prisoner of Jabhat Al Nusra, Al Qaeda’s wing in Syria.

Battered and bruised, Col Nehmeh, confessed to having worked with foreign intelligence agencies to orchestrate a disastrous defeat for the opposition a year earlier, when regime forces unexpectedly retook Khirbet Ghazaleh, a strategically important town on the road to Damascus that had been all but won by rebels after two months of fighting.

Col Nehmeh’s capture in the early hours of May 4 may prove to be a critical waypoint in the war for southern Syria, long the best organised opposition front, where moderates and radicals have cooperated, avoiding the infighting that has ravaged other parts of the country and damaged the cause of those seeking to overthrow President Bashar Al Assad.

Read more:

Posted by: Virgile | Jun 1 2014 15:56 utc | 56

re 31: Still, that is no reason to give Turkey a free pass when it comes to Cyprus.

You've got it the wrong way round. There's no reason to give the Greek Cypriots a free pass. You conveniently forget that it was the Greek Cypriots who carried out a coup d'état in 1974. The Turkish invasion was the only solution to defending the Turkish community on the island. Even now the Greeks refuse to make peace. They're extremely nationalistic and bellicose - all characteristics which you oppose, Demian, in Ukraine.

Posted by: alexno | Jun 1 2014 16:43 utc | 57

Comprehensive article on the Russian strategy with regard to the Ukraine. It answers the question: "why isn't Russia sending in troops to defend the people of the southeast?" among many others and puts the Russian strategy in the context of the "big picture" they are faced with regard to western aggression.

Почему нет военной интервенции РФ на Украину

A very good translation here.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 17:05 utc | 58

An article on the state of Ukrainian regular army troops, by Gennady Volkov, a Ukrainian reporter.

Meanwhile, in the Ukrainian Army…

It's been translated into English and contains many photos showing what he describes in the article.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 18:13 utc | 59

@33 "...Both Turkey and Greece are colonies of the "new" capitalist master race. So they have a squabble over crumbs, who cares...their regimes are both colonies of Israel. It's Syria and Lebanon who count here..."

Scalawag, you are an idiot. Neither Turkey or Greece is in any sense a "colony" of Israel. Words have meanings, at least until you start employing them.

Any doubt that you are an empty vessel making peculiar noises is dispelled by posts 34 and 37 in which you display your ignorance of Nasser and Nasserism.

Nasser, for all his faults, was a principled opponent of imperialism who took enormous risks in standing up to both British and US imperialism. Sisi is a mere pensioner of Washington and Tel Aviv without either military or political distinction.

When Nasser was alive there was not a market in Arabia, and well beyond in the 'non-aligned' world in which Nasser's portrait was not proudly displayed as an emblem of defiance by patriotic, proud and progressive' Arabs. Of whom there were millions from Aden to Aleppo opposed to the imperialists and the puppet regime system that they were, in the 1960s, installing to give native colour to the Empire's hegemony.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2014 18:20 utc | 60

China gets it right:

The toppling of the legitimate Ukrainian authorities by Maidan protesters is the main cause of the Ukrainian crisis, Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping told Russian reporters in Beijing on Tuesday.

"Concerning the ongoing violence in Ukraine, I think this is the result of the toppling of the legitimate authorities of this country in the course of disturbances and provocations staged on Maidan," the deputy minister said.

"This is the direct cause of the crisis," Cheng said. ...

"External influence, primarily, that of the United States and Western countries which are trying for force Ukraine to follow the development path of Western democracies, cannot be ignored either," the senior diplomat said.

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 1 2014 18:36 utc | 61

Look, obama and his pals dont dare having eye contact with the russians haha

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 1 2014 18:54 utc | 62

Crosstalk RT on ukraine

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 1 2014 19:24 utc | 63

Ambassador to Libya seems to declare that Islamist militias in Libya are similar to the Minute Men militias of the American Revolution:

It's just the US midwifing the birth of another democracy! Just like the blood-soaked Contra butchers of Nicaragua were declared to be like Our Founding Fathers by Ronald Reagan (though I don't recall George Washington mutilating parents in front of their children, but then maybe there's things still don't know...).

One thing is clear - for all the talk of Libyan democracy, the US is using these local militias as its policy instruments. And the minute it can establish the rule of the one it prefers - spilling copious amounts of blood in the process, no doubt - it will do so.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 19:47 utc | 64

Posted by: bevin | Jun 1, 2014 2:20:28 PM | 60

"Scalawag, you are an idiot."

Blow me.

Posted by: scalawags | Jun 1 2014 20:00 utc | 65

What russian news sites are you guys often visiting?

I often go to

Please post your sites.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 1 2014 20:47 utc | 66

The Libyan ambassador absolutely throws her weight behind Haftar, while acknowledging he has little support precisely because of "his background" (meaning, a US citizen).

It's the last question of the event.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 1 2014 20:49 utc | 67

The number of evacuees at the facility are let's just say over 100. No men came from Slavyansk with this group. The ages of the group range from two almost brand new babies to late teenagers with a relatively small percentage of adult women, a few the mothers of some of the younger children and of course the mothers of the two babies. All will have a medical examination starting tomorrow.

The adult women are holding up well. All are distraught to one extent or another but all are functioning well with the children. We met with two groups of the women in private and their distress was quite visible when out of sight of the children. They are all very thankful to Russia for taking the children from harm's way. The evacuees run the gamut from upper middle class to quite poor.

Children are children. They are quite different here than in The West even though some of them try to mimic what they see on TV and the Internet from the west. It is in the eyes of the teenagers, especially the girls, where you can see the worry and fear just below the surface. The teenaged girls are working with the children, relatives or not, alongside of the adult women. The boys, some are worried, most are angry at the events in and around Slavyansk and their inability to do something about them. The boys are, after all, young men and the will to protect their families and their homes is already ingrained in them. There is adequate staff to assist the women with the children and keep the teenagers in line.

It is in the young children, the under 10 year olds, that the innocence yet reality comes through as you talk to them. After all, here is a group of children and teenagers who have seen far more than they should have at their tender ages and suddenly they are in another country in a heavily guarded facility and here are strangers including a foreigner in their midst. Some of the teenagers and younger children speak some English and more than one teenager was quite fluent in English, one so fluent she relieved my wife from translating for a while. Some of the children's comments, through the translators:

"It was hot that night, we had the windows open. The sounds were loud. There was a very loud noise on a car in front of our building. There was hail hitting our flat. There was fire outside, I could see it on the wall. My window was broken. My mother was afraid. My father was angry." 9 year old girl.

"A bomb fell near our flat. It was a small one, not the big ones. The sound is different. I am not afraid of the little ones but cats are afraid. We know when the little ones are coming because the cats run away. We hide when they run away." 7 year old girl.

"My neighbor's dog was killed that night. My neighbor, she cries all the time now. My mother said I have to leave home." 10 year old boy.

She looked at the scars on my arm and touched them, then pulled up my left shirt sleeve and looked. How she knew I don't know, the tattoo is 5cm above blousing level as per regs. "You are foreign." "Yes." "You are soldier." "I was." "Did you come here to kill me?" Asked matter of fact. Mother of God. How do you answer that? "No, I am not here to hurt you, I am here to help you and to keep you safe" in my very poor Russian. 10 year old girl. My teenaged translator dissolved in to tears. The child comforted her.

"I want to kill all those fascist pedarasti. My mother is afraid. My father is fighting. My father said I could not come with him, I don't know why. I am a man." 15 year old boy.

"I miss my boyfriend. He could not come, there was no more room on the bus. He kissed my before I got on the bus, right in front of my mother. I love him. I miss my mother. I want to go home." 14 year old girl.

"I miss my mother. I miss my father. I want to go home. Mother said I can't come home soon." 12 year old girl.

"They killed my neighbor. He was a kind man, he never hurt anyone. I was the first one to him after he fell off his bicycle. There was a lot of blood. He was dead. His wife was screaming. He took me fishing." 15 year old boy.

"It is so quiet here. There is no noise at all. I wish my mother and father were here with me. My mother likes to swim." 6 year old boy.

After we spoke to the women and children we spoke to the administrator. She assured us the children and women had everything they needed. The officer's wife asked about bathing suits for the children and dolls for the young girls.

We then had lunch with the evacuees. Lunch was excellent with plenty of food for the children, as much food, juice and milk as they wanted, fresh baked bread from the kitchen, gallons of tea for the adults. After lunch Father and I went to the only private shop in the facility, down by the beach. It sells bathing suits, shorts, sun tan oil, sun hats and other sundries for the beach. After we looked at the prices Father had a talk with the owner and an understanding was made. The children and women will get what they need for the beach at no charge to them. Father and I will split the bill and the prices will be normal market, not as marked. Father's assistant and the officer's wife will tomorrow get enough dolls for the young girls. All will be identical and will be delivered to the facility before dinner tomorrow by the officer's wife and other officer wives. Father and I will split that bill also along with the officer. I got to watch Father, though. He's pretty quick with a ruble....

When we returned the child who asked if I was there to kill her was my wife's shadow. On seeing me she ran to me. Got me a big hug and a smooch right on the cheek. I looked at my wife, she looked at me and we smiled grimly. If worse comes to worse for this child we will take her. We pray it won't come to that. She cried when we left. I told her we would be back in 2 days to see her and the other children. I asked her if she likes dogs. She said yes.

As of 15:54 today, 01 June 2014, no more evacuees are allowed to leave Slavyansk or Donetsk City. Ukraine Armed Forces have blockaded all the roads and rail lines out of both cities. No one is allowed in or out. There will be not be more children coming to this facility.

That is part of a report by somebody in Crimea called Auslander who visited a refuge center there. You can read the rest of his report here.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 1 2014 21:40 utc | 68

If anyone is still posting here, Marine Le Pen, the advocate for the NATION STATE has said that she wants to bury the EU.
"The EU is a Soviet Union" she says. As it were she wants to preserve EUROPE. Her words and attitudes are balanced, coherent, honest and refreshing.
I believe we all want the same thing.
For those of you in power to treat us like ADULTS, not as your children. We have education and maturity enough to deal with whatever is happening, thereby the ongoing global revolt, reaction and agency against this NWO.
In Latin America, the current NATION STATES, are becoming more and more anti-USA in the sense that they wish less meddling and manipulation but yes to any and all investment.
Likewise, many of us would wish that some people or "somebody" to cease the ceaseless diversion to BS and the return of Mr. Pragma or and Kalithea.
Their commentary were in spite of the constant jew baiting, apropo.

Posted by: Fernando | Jun 2 2014 0:36 utc | 69

Russian Spring



Two hours ago, “Karachun”, ammo was exploding for long time… From several 120-mm shells, but directed by the dependable hand.

Q: Assuming Kiev announces amnesty, how many locals would continue to remain in ranks of combatants?


. Will not be less. Here the despise of the “from heels to ears” deceitful Kiev rule is so deep, believe that it can not be trusted “for a penny” is so strong, that every day here, in besieged city, threatened by impending attack, arrive 30-40-50 citizens of other cities of Donbass. And join the ranks. There are, understandably, deserters of course – cede approximately 5% - very little for a volunteer formation

Q: Any ideology to glue the struggle?


It is, unfortunately, so-so. From other side, gathered people are of such different views solely united by genuine hate towards the Nazism and commonality of language and culture, that developing something “ideological” is even detrimental. The vector of national liberation is so far enough.

Q: Comments on today videos of drills of special combat units “Kharkov-1” and “Slobozhantsina”


Fodder, dumb and terrifying, but short living. We wait. Let them come here.

Russian Spring



Today morning, we roughed the adversaries savagely, their roadblock B3S (?)… The hotel, for the garrison to rest, had its ceilings folded. Yesterday destroyed a mortar squad at the turn to “Red Liman” as well as chopped quite of infantry. Today afternoon, by mortars, worked again that roadblock – the howitzer squad simply deserted the cannon and ran in the woods making barely 2 retaliatory shots. The Ukrainian media – dead silent.
By the way, some data suggest their assault helicopters (in a number of 4 or 5 units) worked, by mistake, their own positions in “Karachun” proximity (we were witnessing their job – did not see, though, what were trashed – wonder, has never kept any of our troops there). And they did excellent job. Silence again…
Through the night, our loss is one lightly wounded. Yesterday we did not lose any among the combatants – losses were among poor civilians pummeled unjustified.
Cheers to everyone from a squad of the triply demised Nona (self-propelled mortar)! No way to happen…
Whenever the truth of casualties in Slavyansk will surface, this government will “karachun” (collapse, a pun). Consequently, they do have to defeat Slavyansk, no matter what; to write off all losses for the victorious assault.
About weapons of WWII.
We were armed by some Mosin-Nagan rifles (semi-automatic, available since 1891), but now in storage – contemporary weaponry is enough, such as SKS (carbine, 1945). Also in use: some DShK 1944 (heavy machine gun), PTRS (anti-tank rifle) (many, including war issues). TT (pistol), Nagant (revolver) (as a personal weaponry of “advanced” commanders). There are 1 M-53 (Yugoslavian MG 42 – general purpose machine gun).
About 100 new volunteers have arrived.

Posted by: Fete | Jun 2 2014 3:37 utc | 70

Posted by: Fete | Jun 1, 2014 11:37:57 PM | 70

Thanks. Your translations make these Strelkov reports and interviews more understandable than the machine translations do. It's a great help.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 2 2014 5:13 utc | 71

Don't have any sympathy for the Right Sector and Svoboda volunteers thugs who make up most of the National Guard, but do have some for the draftees in Ukraine's army:

I have recently visited the “eastern front”, at the camp of the 51st Separate Mobile Brigade of the Ukrainian Army. This is the unit that had recently lost to an unknown attacker (presumably the separatists) – 17 dead and 30 injured.

My impressions from the trip are dire. Let me sum it up.

The brigade numbers just over 4,000 men and is manned by West Ukrainians, mostly from Volyn. The logic is clear – it will be easier for “westerners” to shoot at “easterners”, whose mentality is alien to them. Sadly, however, reality is far more complex. ...

Which brings us to the next topic. I don’t mean to spread panic, but you can’t take words out of a song – and the words the soldiers asked me to relay are thus: “We are held here against our will in animal-like conditions, everyone has lied to us.”

After having spoken to the fighters I have several times been, pardon my French, totally fucking shocked.

First of all, there are no volunteers among the men at all. All are drafted, and It feels that they have been grabbing literally everyone.

I ask a boy from Volyn with a police AKSU (everyone is armed) – “How did you get mobilized?” “They took me to the military commissariat, took a photo of me, gave me my papers within a day – then put me on a train and sent me to the army. They have me a rifle, ammunition – and here I am. They have not let me shoot it at all.”

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 2 2014 7:32 utc | 72


An associate just got back from KSA and said the American employee enclave there was horribly depressing, like a Death Valley version of Disney World, or some old Gunsmoke backdrop. So they spent their off-time in the city, where nobody paid any attention to them, as anyone who has traveled to Dubai can attest, wow, they say the most beautiful harems on earth, and of course are incredibly rich. It was 50ºC when I passed through there, ...too rich for my blood.

Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 2 2014 10:21 utc | 73

I have been looking up and thinking about the Ukr. oligarchs. I was wondering, amongst other things where Poroshenko fits in. More and more I am thinking that their role is underestimated and not properly explained. Anyway, here is one article which is OK, gives a good summary.

Ukraine's puppet masters, Eurozine.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 2 2014 11:23 utc | 74

Regime attack with jets, many dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 2 2014 13:03 utc | 75

@Fete 70
The Mosin is a bolt action; the Simonov (SKS) is a semi, and Ukraine has tons of those (they still export them and bulk ammo for them; 1400 rounds go for about $300 in Canada). Mosins take an older round (7.62x54 vs x39 for the SKS, the latter same as older AKs).

Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 2 2014 16:11 utc | 76

Brussels Terror Attack and Mossad Connection

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jun 2 2014 18:43 utc | 77

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jun 2, 2014 2:43:52 PM | 77

Nice find.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 2 2014 19:09 utc | 78

paty kerry,

thanks for the link.

his latest article including the comment section is also interesting.

Posted by: james | Jun 2 2014 20:52 utc | 79

It's of utmost importance to spread latest detailed information about using nukes in WTC on 9/11 leaked by Russians through VeteransToday. B should start a separate thread on that crucial topic IMHO. What do you think?

Posted by: PP4ever | Jun 2 2014 23:26 utc | 80

Probably just rumor

Bandar Bin Sultan injected with poison: Report

A Lebanese media report says Saudi Arabia's spymaster Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz has been injected with an incurable poison.

Some Lebanese media outlets quoting Saudi sources as saying that the prince was injected with an unknown kind of poison.

Prince was slipped into a coma and rushed for treatment to Morocco and the United States, the report added.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 2 2014 23:28 utc | 81

@81 Though I would add, it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 2 2014 23:29 utc | 82

Didn't see this here:

The apartheid genocidal state of Israel going cashless.

Obviously the reasons such as tax evasion and fighting money laundering are total fucking bullshit.

Basically, a cashless society means that 1) people will be limited to the amount of their own money you can have access to at any given time 2) there is a record of every single fucking transaction that a person engages in 3) this will allow one of the sought after Holy Grails of farcical neoliberal economics to become a reality - i.e, negative interest rates and 4) since crime/illegal activities will STILL be carried on using some sort of non-traceable asset - e.g., PMs - a secondary black monetary market/economy will develop but which will also obviously be controlled by the same people who will be controlling the cashless economy cf. HSBC et al doing business with drug cartels, CIA heroin/cocaine operations etc.

Yeah, with former head of the Bank of Israel - Stanley Fischer - now number two at the US Fed, I'm sure this idea is right around the corner for American peons.

Cue the Mark of the Beast discussions....

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 3 2014 1:58 utc | 83


Also, given the fact that the Zionist US government looks to the apartheid genocidal state of Israel as some sort of beacon of security/freedom - e.g., the police departments in nearly every single major American city are given Israel junkets/training so that they can learn how to suppress/oppress the local "Palestinians" - I'm sure that going cashless will/could easily be waved into law following yet another false flag event in which the need to track the "terrorists'" money would have just been essential to preventing the "crime". Never mind about those put options on those airlines back in they day, right? Ancient history, fuckers!

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jun 3 2014 2:04 utc | 84

Monopolist financial fraud and butt rape being instituted as a societal norm of human relations. Israel in a nutshell.

Posted by: scalawag | Jun 3 2014 4:02 utc | 85

I searched for Dr. Alan Sabrosky on this site and found no match.

Then here is the first one.

PressTV interview with Alan Sabrosky - 9-11 and israel shocking Press TV interview.

Posted by: Paty Kerry | Jun 3 2014 6:28 utc | 86

@PP4Ever 80

Every claim is dubious. Local collapses do produce seismic waves:
Note that the Richter scale is long superceded, yet the seismologists use it.

As to Barium and Strontium, recall that in those years, the dominant computer and television displays were CRTs, than would have both (and lead), and that there were Lead Acid batteries, including those of the famous flowing metal pictures... Here's the paper in question (notice, no Uranium mentioned):
There is another matter---if the strontium were from a bomb, they'd see Sr-90---recall that they are using activation analysis, so isotope matters.

Cerenkov radiation is seen in water, because water's refractive index (speed of light) is quite a bit lower than vacuum, and it scatters more readily. Why would it be visible (presumably in the air) at Chernobyl? If they mean in the water tank, so what? It is even visible (with the rooms lights off) at a SLOWPOKE (if you look into the reactor)...

The top and second photographs don't suggest a nuclear blast at all. Rather, one sees vehicles that rusted due to paint being disturbed, often by burning falling debris (which would account for vehicles so close to each other having such radically different outcomes, unlike a nuclear type blast). Heck, coke poured on a car can remove paint, let alone burning paper.
I have enough problems with rust just from (baseball-sized) hail damage to my car.

Go read the nuclear civil engineering paper that they posted: per 1kt bomb, in the ditching experiment, you get almost 10^5 cubic meters displaced, yet for the collapse (by whatever means) of the towers, you get a(n alleged) crater of volume one tenth of that, despite the gravitational energy released by the collapse being a quarter kiloton... And cavities inside the buildings proper (as opposed to underneath them) say precious little that is relevant to the claimed cause. And I want to emphasize alleged, as under the foundation, the ground was saturated (with water) at building time, leading to some innovative methods of laying the foundation, which was 21 meters tall (to bedrock). I'm really curious for evidence that they removed the foundation, especially as even truthers make no mention of this...

The bit about tensile strength in the context of pulverization is utterly confusing. One simply doesn't pulverise concrete by pulling on it, as one gets large chunks; compressive force is needed, and the alleged pressure would thus be 30 times the ultimate compressive strength, which sounds a bit less impressive than 300 times the tensile strength. If you can get some PPC cement, fill a thimble, and let it set for a month (80-90% of final strength). Two to five blows with a normal nail metal head hammer should pulverize it, though do wear safety glasses.

The seismic wave argument is obscure. Higher frequency waves are usually body waves, versus lower frequency surface waves:
I couldn't find anything that suggested that subsurface explosions generally produced more body waves.

Note that the seismologist is assuming that seismic concerns motivate the concern for structural integrity, rather than local structural damage; upon searching, I found almost identical language in a seismic paper on the collapse, which explicitly states that the concern is not seismic, but mechanical above-ground damage from debris and air pressure from the collapse (right-most column, page 3):

As to the implied notion that the hurricane removed the dust, that is novel. I suggest that you do a month of construction work, and get experience with dry-walling (hint: it produces a lot of dust). After doing the first sanding, notice how dusty the air is in a room the next day. Note that by weight, concrete is largely aggregate (thus the small pieces)---its relative density is 2.2, and will thus sink even in water, much less air; some of the asbestos might float, but the rest will sink. The winds recorded for NY City from the 11th to the 15th seem quite calm (typically below 16km/h), thus begging the obvious questions wrt the hurricane theory.

The nuclear claim is a bit odd for another reason. Go watch the videos of the collapse: the facades of the buildings collapse almost at once, not floor by floor or toppling, which your scenario seems to require. The columns had two thicknesses, which largely were consistent, with one set below a certain floor, and the other above. The collapse of a set of floors would have put the lower part of the building under huge stress. The consistent thicknesses would make each section (three stories, if memory serves) have the same buckling strength. Apply Newton's third law, and the sections should fail at roughly the same time, not floor by floor.

The proposed bomb would be between 1 and 10 kt yield, with a corresponding mass of 100kg to 10t. SR90 yields are typically 4.5-7%, so we are looking at 4.5kg-700kg of strontium. The towers had about 100kt concrete; assuming that most of this is dust, and that most of the dust mass is concrete (as per the paper cited by your website), and given the found concentrations of strontium of about 500-1000ppm, we should expect 50-100 ton of strontium, or about 70-140 times the suggested quantity for the nuclear bomb scenario's maximum quantity. As such, the presence of strontium without knowledge of isotopes, tells us nothing about whether or not a bomb was used. Alloys and CRTs are far more likely sources of such a mass of Strontium and Barium.

And no mention of Russians, that I could find.

Anyhow, enough gatekeeping from me for one night.

Posted by: Johan Meyer | Jun 3 2014 6:48 utc | 87


Not enough is known about the Davy Crockett mini-nuke, certainly not in that application.
There was no timeline correlation between seismic data and the collapses, they could have seen nuke shockwaves before or after the collapse. In any case, it's a zero-sum debate.

If the EPA didn't even monitor for asbestos, (which is my personal opinion why the WTC 1&2
were brought down, because they were unrenovatable and undemolishable otherwise with that asbestos burden,) then EPA certainly didn't monitor radioactivity, but steel buyers would.

Still, even if the scrap was radioactive, if you read my Soviet nuclear sub scrapout post,
the Germans probably made WTC 1&2 into radioactive razor blades, and we're all gonna die.


The MSM theory was pancaking caused the 'boom-boom-boom' sounds that experience demolition experts stated sounding exactly like controlled demolition (see asbestos raisson d'etre). In any case, the demolition expert who said that died shortly afterward and mysteriously.

Look, the WTC was $2B, maybe $3B when it was built and only 1M SF. Since that Coup of 2001, The Chosen have bankrupted America 5000x that amount, perpetual interest-only debt forever that will NEVER end. No Golden Jubilee. 'At this point, what difference does 9/11 make?'

"You can't HANDLE the gago!!" Good Queen Hillary

Posted by: chip nikh | Jun 3 2014 11:29 utc | 88

JDL threat PressTv reporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 9:20 utc | 89

the cunts are vomiting bs all over,
the aussies are giving their muricun blood bro a good run for their money !
**China is storing up trouble for itself, and if it continues to push the US will need to take its pants down and smack its bottom. Hard to be an economic superpower when the real superpower takes away your access to the sea. And Australia will be right there holding the USA's coat.*

omfuckingg, rofl..................

Posted by: denk | Jun 4 2014 9:39 utc | 90

Why is organ trafficking so "popular" in Israel?

Israel organ trafficker arrested in cyprus.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 4 2014 11:57 utc | 91

OT: This is probably boring but I just want to repost this I made on another site - probably an unflattering measure of my egoism to boot.

I would say that there aren't many - perhaps r'giap, ruralito, Fernando - who are as convinced as I am that much of what the western world thinks it knows about "the crimes of communism" is a total fraud and fabrication, and I could have argued that point alone but I didn't want to necessarily here. So you'll have to forgive that I didn't - I felt that just going after overall the hypocrisy was more effective in this case.

This began when I suggested that the US needed something modeled along the lines of the CPUSA to defend itself from growing repression in the US. Someone responded with "Oh, you want to chose a totalitarian system to defend our rights! Blah blah communism was a great evil blah blah." You know the spiel. Anyway:

Does it make you feel okay to cuddle up close to American Exceptionalist myth and forget about the horrific things that have been done in our name? The millions of dead and dying in Southeast Asia, Central and South America and the Middle East? They're all excused because of the crimes that communists committed? Is that right?

If people like you could consider the criminal acts that this country and its allies are actually doing - today - in our name, and consider what you could do to stop it, we might get somewhere. Instead, you hold the fetish of "communist crimes" tight to your chest, hoping that the misdeeds of communists in Eastern Europe and Asia will absolve you, like some magic talisman, of all this country's massive sins - even the recent ones that go on today. You're sadly mistaken. The victims of our crimes don't quite see it like you do from your comfortable vantage.

We have long ago crossed the threshold of become the greatest criminal state on planet. It has become clear to the whole world that America's great anti-communist crusade (now turned into the "GWOT" with about the same righteous purpose it never had) was just a cover for the same old blood-soaked policies of domination and theft.

What is different now is instead of inflicting their wrath on far off lands, the US elite has turned their sites on us. And the Church Committee and Kerry Committee - which turned up everything from drug running to Gestapo style assassination - is coming home to the threaten the American people. To threaten us with technologies and budgets that would have made J. Edgar drool. An NSA, CIA, and FBI who can now shut down whole cities. Governors who can eliminate mayors and elected officials at the stroke of a pen. And yet you're still pecking out little screeds about the 80 year old crimes of Stalin?

You're knowledge of history, I would guess, is pretty thin. Clearly you know nothing about the record of the CPUSA and great heroes like Vito Marcantonio. You've been reading too many demonstrably wrong propagandists like Robert Conquest and Anne Applebaum. Too much "feel good" literature about the crimes of others - like sitting around like an old woman, peering through the curtains and clucking and the foibles of the neighbors while her own son stumbles home drunk,

Yeah, you're just another of the mindless people trying to write away a century of bloody American excess on that great pillar of wisdom "two wrongs make a right".

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 5 2014 2:58 utc | 92

I see the english are dead set on proceeding with their star chamber trial against Naveed Baluch, along with un-named defendants one each of Azerbaijani, Turk & Algerian ethnicity tho english citizenship.
Needless to say the origins of the defendants antecedents is receiving far more publicity via strategic 'leaks' than the accused's englishness.
Shit happens to unwhites eh!

It will be no surprise to anyone that the total secrecy which the crown is claiming is essential for the survival of england, has absolutely nothing to do with the alleged activities of the alleged terrorists, or, potential activities of alleged confederates, and everything to do with the way the evidence against them has been obtained.

In other words; according to the Crown Prosecution Service reported here "there was a "serious possibility that the trial may not be able to go ahead" if it had to be held in public."
Yawn. - god knows how many innocents have been let die or even actively murdered, just because the greedy little information hoarders aka the security services, consider their means out-trumps any end, no matter how harmful.
This attitude permeates all the way through 21st century corporate & governmental systems as anyone in need of medical treatment quickly discovers. The 'health care industry' as the medical profession is now loosely termed, is the easisest & most obvious of the myriad examples of 'process before people'.

Those paper pushers laughably dubbed health care workers, devote themselves to adhering to labouriously constructed 'protocols' having no regard at all for the result of their robotic interventions.

I digress again -sorry- the point is that in the topsy turvey world the functionaries have created, it may be that from time to time they get lucky and actually apprehend a person or group of people dead set on killing innocents; yet instead of trying these types in a blaze of carefully constructed publicity, these 'protectors' decide to suppress the news of the trial.

Not because they are concerned about 'the other side' uncovering their methodology -if the case against Baluch et al is fair dinkum, the other side will have sussed out the leak and taken steps to prevent a recurrence by Monday the 14th of October.
So if this stuff is being kept secret, but not from 'the enemy' who needs to be kept in the dark & why?

I don't really need to answer that do I? Nevertheless I shall.
It is Joe Public/Johnny English who needs to be kept in the dark lest he/she be forced to consider the deliberate sabotage of the internet which his/her security services have instigated.
Although establishment media have begun a half-assed campaign to overturn this tyranny, I don't reckon they will succeed & will be surprised if the campaign generates any momentum at all, in reality establishment media lurves this stuff.
The old fashioned print & broadcast media will have the juicy bits leaked & cop sales & maybe even awards.

The english courts have been building up to this, a few years ago, back in 2008 they suppressed all details of a murder trial on the grounds of 'national security' see here .
Neither the victim nor the protagonist/s were spooks, soldiers or politicians. The trial was suppressed chiefly because the old bloke, the victim still had sufficient pull in establishment circles to get the sheet sniffers to track the trail thru the net of the money the killers stole.

As well it is likely that as in cases such as this one where some luddite is blaming himself for the security lapse, the murder victim's emails had been available for hacking simply because the spooks insist on backdoors in all security e.g. the open ssl farce where transport layer security remained compromised for years thanks to Heartbleed© , despite various engineers publicising the flaw & the need for a fix.

Just sayin - I doubt sufficient englanders will care about this travesty to change security agencies light-bulbs let alone their pernicious practices.

Posted by: Debs is dead | Jun 5 2014 3:01 utc | 93

Modi is no doubt a great threat to the Indian people, but he doesn't appear to the the threat I imagined he might be to Russia and China (based on my short jaunt through the internet).

But this is interesting all the same -

Just as we predicted, India’s new leader is about to make Pierre Omidyar a lot richer

But that all fits. Greenwald is a corporate friendly libertarian, and so it makes sense that his friend would be a corporate libertarian.

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 5 2014 3:03 utc | 94

Not that what I put in @94 should eclipse this...

Year of the whistleblower: 10 things we didn’t know before Snowden

Posted by: guest77 | Jun 5 2014 3:05 utc | 95

wow, its that time of the yr again....4/6.
every yr this time the cuns get very agitated, dont let the chinese forget that tam *massacre* they hiss.
the cunts are damn pissed with the tam flop, look, if we cant topple that damn ccp, lets drag it thru the mud with that massacre shit they figure.

tam has been exposed as a fucking hoax by gregory clark long before the wiki pysop dare to whisper about it.
anybody ever heard of the cuns commemorating fallujah ?
,now that was real hell on earth, its well documented, no bs !
fallujah ? that some where on mars, some cunts ask me ?

libya is so passe', but lets commemorate the 25 anniversay of that fake tam !
cuns seem to have this fetishism with anything thing fake, could it besomething in their up bringing, after all, murikka is built on gencide n deception from day one.

would there be a tenth yr anniversary of the gujaraj pogrom ?
dont hold ur breath, modi who presided over that shit is the new indian prez, looks like while apparently welcoming chinese investments, he is nonetheless gonna play hard ball on the border n tibet issue. prolly with the nosse tightening around china, modi intends to have his cake n eat it while china wooing bharat in earnest.
no doubt that'd be music in the cunts ears.
which means no gujaraj commemoration for u !

meanwhile the cunt jay carney demand china to account for the tam *massacre* to the *internationa community*, but inquiring mind wants to know, do those who are prone to perpetrate a fallujah every other yr qualify to belong in the *international community* in the first place. ?

here's another gem from another cunt
*nobody forced the chinese govt to shoot innocent people and run tanks over their bodies......* [sic]

i fuck him real good
*are u confusing tam with fallujah per chance, it has all the above n much much more...?*

searching with key words *wasting fallujah* used to produce tons of hits, now there'r just a few dozen links , none pointing to the uruknet article im looking for.....

Posted by: denk | Jun 5 2014 18:03 utc | 96

since Wall Street (via CIA) is an ultimate source of terrorism, the WSJ is the best of establishment media in covering terrorism and if one knows how to read between the lines it is quite informative; I wonder how many of its readers take these things at face value?

here is a taxonomy of 3 classes of terrorist, according to their function on behalf the empire

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Jun 5 2014 21:47 utc | 97


Posted by: denk | Jun 6 2014 2:49 utc | 98

hinese workers killed by boko harm, currently the *terrarists in vogue* , actually, its the cunts *top security concern* accodring to washington.
a plane load of chinese including some high value technies disappeared in thin air , presumably dead, followed by mutiple kidnappings of chinese in philippines, by known cia patsy, the abu sayyaf gangs.
chinese sailors brutally murdered in mekong, 9 personnels of the pro us military was implicated.
a bus load of hk tourists slain by lone gun man in ph.

bloodbath in xinjiang every other week, perpetrated by muricunt sponsored uighurs death squads.
chinese engineers, workers, tourists hunted down n shot in cold blood by known cia patsy, the pakistan ttp.

chinese boatmen killed by sk coast guards.
chinese fishermen killed by palau coast guards.
tw fisher man shot by ph navy.
is it just a coincidence all the above happen to be muricun bitches. ?
fleming's law anyone ?

*post 911, the yanks got its foot in all the *stans* around china under the cover of gwot, china's frontyard become uncle sham's backyard overnite.
thats when a series of mysterious "terrarists" attacks against chinese started to occur, inexplicably, china seemed to have become the target of the *jihadists*, china became the new "great satan" , all the while when the *original article * was busy bombing and strafing at "terrarists" in af-pak and beyond*...............[1]

images of grieving chinese parents, children, husbands, wifes crying over the loss of their family members [1] started popping up in newspaper frontpage after 911, such tragedies have been recurring at alarming rate ever since , culminating to an orgy of bloodbaths lately.
now we see it practically every other day !!! [2]

now guess who issues this warning....
*terrarists are targeting us everywhere, no place on earth is safe for us,
my dear countrymen* [3]

really, when was the last time a cun got wasted by a terrarist since the 911 ff, er, i mean *terrarist attack* ?



Posted by: denk | Jun 7 2014 18:08 utc | 99

Another myth debunked

Now it seems clear that the entire story of “thousands” of dead students at Tiananmen Square, whose very name in the West is synonymous with brutal government suppression of democracy, was largely a fabrication. The protests were real, but not the horrendous stories of slaughter.

Really, people, take an inventory of everything you think you know.

Posted by: ruralito | Jun 8 2014 2:52 utc | 100

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