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May 14, 2014
Open Thread 2014-12
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Obama just said again that Assad must not be part of Syrian future. Posted by: Andoheb | May 14 2014 18:21 utc | 1 Everyone put in for vacation, get your effing barf bags ready and make sure you have $25 because…
[Hey, Mayor Mike, what about those pesky Israeli Mossad agents that were swarming the country before, during and after 9/11? What about them?]
This is yet ANOTHER example of how evil – but particularly US war criminality – never ever rests but especially when it’s imperative that a fabricated “reality” must be made to stick. Posted by: JSorrentine | May 14 2014 19:07 utc | 2 @2 It’s all about golf. Posted by: dh | May 14 2014 19:47 utc | 3 The Boston bombing
Oh, so Tamerlan was involved in the illicit drug trade and used the extra money to go and get radicalized and buy the pressure – guffaw – cooker to make the bomb that injured all those people, right? Pressure cookers are effing EXPENSIVE, DAWG, especially when you have to buy/fill them with the imaginary fairy dust shrapnel that they are supposed to contain!! But wait… (from the same article)
Get it, folks? He was involved IN the drug trade but he’s NOT tied to it, got it? Posted by: JSorrentine | May 14 2014 19:58 utc | 4 “Bloomberg said it took care “to make sure that nobody thinks a billion people who practice one religion were responsible.”” Posted by: Tom Murphy | May 14 2014 20:11 utc | 5 JSorrentine, all the stupid games of claiming it was a “fabricated reality” only serves to misdirect people away from the motive: Posted by: Tom Murphy | May 14 2014 20:15 utc | 6 There are definitely some choreographed moves underway to coincide with Brahimi’s resignation: 1) UN Security Council vote on referring Syria (minus Golan) to the International Criminal Court, and 2) France’s claim (backed up by the usual suspect, Human Rights Watch) that Syria is dropping chlorine gas on people. This was punctuated in today’s NYT with a completely putrid piece of journalism comparing Obama’s “inaction” in Syria to Clinton’s handling of the Rwanda massacre of 1994. Posted by: Mike Maloney | May 14 2014 20:15 utc | 7 @1 – welcome to the warped reality of today.. Posted by: james | May 14 2014 20:45 utc | 8 speaking of the un…..”The UN has voiced concerns over the apparent use of UN-marked helicopters by Kiev troops in their military operation against Donetsk regional militia.” Posted by: james | May 14 2014 20:55 utc | 9 “I like to think of it as a fireworks show: You want to save your best for last. There’s a story that from the beginning I thought would be our biggest, and I’m saving that. The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it.” Posted by: anonymous | May 14 2014 21:28 utc | 10 Smart move by Russia, China.
Posted by: ruralito | May 14 2014 21:33 utc | 11 Andoheb@1 “Obama just said again that Assad must not be part of Syrian future”. According to some polls and anecdotal evidence from UN Agencies in Syria Assad has some 70% support. Obamas ratings in the US are below 50%, Congress as a whole can barely top 10%. As you say incredible arrogance and hypocrisy. Posted by: harry law | May 14 2014 21:34 utc | 12 @Tom Murphy, of course the implosion of WTC 7, the presence of molten steel in the tower debris, thermite residue etc throws the whole 9/11 investigation into a cocked hat. But it also destroys al-Qaeda’s Posted by: ruralito | May 14 2014 21:49 utc | 13 …well, maybe not Israeli, but it’s a reasonable guess. Posted by: ruralito | May 14 2014 22:05 utc | 14 @13 what you are saying isn’t true. See the videos in this playlist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5l1LkhlVXY&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dRo-AV0ty-QWoOQhvLkTLB5 Posted by: Tom Murphy | May 14 2014 22:14 utc | 15 Clinton is just another voice in the chorus. The idea is to add to the barrage of anti-Putin rhetoric. Putin is supposed to see the error of his ways and hand Crimea over to NATO. Posted by: dh | May 14 2014 22:50 utc | 16 Some people believe that once you’re on a payroll you can’t get off the payroll. If that were true Hamas, once funded to thwart the PLO, Posted by: amspirnational | May 14 2014 23:14 utc | 17 @ 15, Posted by: Lysander | May 14 2014 23:24 utc | 18 @15, whatever, Posted by: ruralito | May 14 2014 23:34 utc | 19 From GG’s piece on Monday:
As you may know – and may disagree with (I’m just riffing in the open thread without the time required for intense debate) – I think that the Snowden flap is the obvious “2 punch” online-related psyop follow-up to the “1 punch” Occupy movement psyop operation. Both operations were aimed directly at the heart of dissent/activism in the Western world but especially the US. The Occupy movement through coordinated – and sometimes IMO staged – acts of state violence against peaceful protestors sought to psychologically deter protestors/activists from physically taking to the streets, organize etc etc. The harsh beatings, the harsh sentences handing down to protestors, the declassified “kill lists” of Occupy members, etc etc I believe were all part and parcel of an extremely well thought-out plan to bring to heel any nascent movements running contrary to TPTB. Posted by: JSorrentine | May 14 2014 23:41 utc | 20 Should be: Posted by: JSorrentine | May 14 2014 23:51 utc | 21 “demonize gg” the rerun you’ve seen (here) numerous times.. it sure gets boring when that’s all one can offer.. was gg responsible for 9-11 yet? how long do we have to wait til we hear that too, lol.. Posted by: james | May 14 2014 23:51 utc | 22 My congratulations to Germany. You are leading the way. Posted by: juannie | May 15 2014 0:30 utc | 23 AQ hates Shiiism as much or more than it hates Zionism. Posted by: amspirnational | May 15 2014 0:52 utc | 24 Greenwald has never advocated war crimes prosecution for WMD lies? I’d have to research that inference’s veracity. Posted by: amspirnational | May 15 2014 0:55 utc | 25 James, you don’t seem yet to have learned not to use pseudo reductio ad absurdum straw man arguments. Your would-be comic suggestion has no relation to anything being said. and your lolling at your own humour is sheer mental masturbation. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 1:08 utc | 26 Think Doktor Snowden will make the grade … ?
Posted by: john francis lee | May 15 2014 1:10 utc | 27 @26 – rowan. fair enough.. i don’t find the gg comments by jsore convincing or relevant, but more of a distraction which is actually pretty ironic, as that is what he is claiming they are all about! Posted by: james | May 15 2014 1:31 utc | 28 Obama ‘dropped in’ the meeting between Jarba and Susan Rice. Posted by: Virgile | May 15 2014 1:40 utc | 29 J Sorrentine has an exuberant knockabout style. But it’s pointless to defend Greenwald. His fan following is so huge and glittering that I am not joking at all when I say he would be the best candidate for Dem Pres after Hillary. As he says himself, a Gay Person would be the next logical thing after a Black Person and a Wimmin Person. And the most enduring lesson of the Obama presidency will be that it is perfectly realistic to act as if the public has no memory whatever. The public may have a memory or it may not, but officially it has no memory, because the mass media are 100% onboard. The flagship newspapers and networks of the Mighty Wurlitzer are the mass media. There is no other. So each successive Dem President can be just as apparently revolutionary (or at least, radical) in their exposure of the hypocrisies of the previous one, then once in office can do exactly the same things as before. And Greenwald says this of Hillary, that once in office she will do exactly the same things Obama did, which are the same things Bush 43 did. There is officially no memory of previous events. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 1:53 utc | 30 “Ruralito, the presence of thermite/thermate/nano etc in the debris does not point to a cock-up; there is no way such presence could possibly have been avoided given the basic nature of the operation.” Posted by: ruralito | May 15 2014 1:59 utc | 31 Ruralito, I am no chemist, but it seems to me roughly as follows: your task is to prepare a material which can be shaped into wraparound cutting charges. Your teams (working from inside the liftshafts) have to wrap these things around each and every core column, every ten metres or so. each of the charges has to be fitted with a radio controlled electrical detonator. All these detonators will be fired in a ten second sequence from a computer control on the reinforced floor of building seven, the floor entirely taken over by the CIA long prior to the event and retrofitted with blastproof windows, as you doubtless recall. The charges have to take effect within a very carefully calculated and uniform period when detonated, therefore, otherwise the demolition sequence will be disrupted, as indeed occurred at one point, when the entire vast cube-like section of the south tower tilted over to an angle of 23 degrees from the vertical before disintegrating in mid air, one of the truly terrifying sights of the day. Since the columns taper as they go up, each charge has to be calculated to achieve cut-through at that point within the uniform time sequence of the whole operation; the maths for that alone must be exceedingly complex. Your only realistic way of doing all this is to use massive redundancy in the charges; that is, make all of the charges massively larger than is needed to achieve the cut. In that way, you can simplify the maths considerably. I have a photo of the north tower columns falling, and the charges can be seen still burning on the cut ends. It seems to me obvious that this is the only way to do it. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 2:39 utc | 32 @30 – rowan, (even if that was or wasn’t addressed to me).. i am not defending gg, or someone to quicly label in a derogatory manner as jsore does with his fanboy bs.. if gg was elected president of the usa i doubt if it would change much of anything, not that it is going to happen anytime soon. we live in the dark ages.. all the pointing of fingers at posters on moa – it can’t get more silly then that – all the way up to pointing fingers are whistleblowers turned something else, even more opaque – whistleblowers who were never really being forthright about their nefarious backers – bringing this shit doesn’t do much to change anything.. it is about as relevant as typing on a keypad to a message board thinking you are going to significantly change something. i think that is a foolish past-time which i and most others could easily be accused of.. if someone has some relevant news to share, fine.. if they want to make like they are moses with the holy grail – i reserve the right to laugh at them.. i think the question is not if, but how long before the usa implodes.. a related question might be how much shit has to happen before it implodes.. i suspect it could get much more messy then it is at present with the usa/financial system like a wild and wounded animal that you don’t want to run across while they are looking for their next meal. Posted by: james | May 15 2014 3:05 utc | 33 I don’t think it’s realistic to expect any of what we do to change anything, directly. What we can do, despite the incredibly obnoxious and terrifying nature of what we have to say, is get accustomed to saying it in as many ways as possible (if only to one another), so that, if I may put this way without sounding too pretentious, the discourse of freedom is maintained. It’s like a little current, or many little currents, of fresh air in a stuffy sealed room. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 3:19 utc | 34 If you are wondering what is the last resort of currently losing global fascist oligarchy you should investigate the topic of “zombie apocalypse”, in relation to modern biological warfare. A few weird cases of people eating other people alive are not coincidences, but like in many other cases, e.g. “Spanish” (born in US labs) flu, examples of testing such weapons in live environments. Check out “CONOP 8888” and see “World War Z”. You may start to ponder why “some people” push the vision of Israel being attacked by “zombies” (Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, dissenters)… And then of course just defending itself… Posted by: ProPeace | May 15 2014 4:40 utc | 35 Not exactly a problem here. Posted by: John Smith | May 15 2014 4:41 utc | 36 we can see the bowing of the exterior load bearing columns and that bowing got progressively worse. The fires weakened the trusses which pulled in on the exterior columns to the point of failure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM&list=PLuf794ZZ4y0siD_zkgXGqvotnDvb3_RZE Posted by: Tom Murphy | May 15 2014 5:35 utc | 37 Tom, you are a no talent government stooge, but I bet you’re getting paid to do this, which is more than can be said for the rest of us. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 8:10 utc | 38 @10, 20 Posted by: bassalt | May 15 2014 9:05 utc | 39 Rowan Posted by: terence | May 15 2014 9:52 utc | 41 this is where i find sorrentine at his worst. to accuse people who are sitting in prison – or even dead – of needing the governments reaction to “feel rebel” denigrates them and their efforts. these were people doing what they thought was right and they paid for. same for the people at Occupy – for whatever the result. i would not suggest that these events and people are not open to manipulation, but to suggest that they and all of our reactions are all products of some plan worked out in a DC office park over a bag of donuts is really… wrong. Posted by: guest77 | May 15 2014 12:21 utc | 42 Hacking paypal was a pointless criminal exercise. Hacking things just to punish them is not a valid revolutionary, radical or whatever methodology. Their protests against Greenwald are irrelevant, and from most points of view will help him. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 12:29 utc | 44 I am unable to connect to Iranian TV (in USA). Anyone else experiencing this? @42 Posted by: JSorrentine | May 15 2014 14:29 utc | 46 @46 – jsore – thanks for that last part.. i agree with you and many of your observations.. i don’t like the parts where you attack others here on the site. i think you can say your piece without having to resort to that. that’s mostly it, otherwise – continue. Posted by: james | May 15 2014 16:00 utc | 47 Anyone notice that Amiri Barakas son won the mayoralty of Newark NJ,despite a full court press of hate ads by the Zionists?And where does this hatred arise?Because,as Poet Laurette of NJ,he published a poem stating among many things,that Israelis failed to show up at the WTC that morning,and voila,in a heartbeat,lost that position.Has anyone ever documented that claim as true or not,or is it unwelcome truth?And did they design the WTC to collapse on its own footprint?Man,that’s engineering.And the way the MSM fingered the perps,pictures and all,in 24? hours was the greatest feat of reportage in history wot?And shipping all that steel to China with alacrity,not bad in resource recovery and recycling eh?And finding the tail of flight 93 a half? mile away from the (alleged)fuselage,nice detective work eh?To say that 9-11 is full of holes is to insult swiss cheese. Posted by: dahoit | May 15 2014 16:11 utc | 48 The UK foreign Minister after the “Friends of Syria” meeting: No mention of the formation of a Syrian transitional government, no mention of Bashar al Assad’s overthrow, no mention of weapons for the “moderate rebels”. Overall the usual ICC threats, some promised money for refugees and more importantly the urgent matter of dealing with the terrorists that are potentially creeping in the West and in Arab countries.
Posted by: Virgile | May 15 2014 16:51 utc | 49 Virgile, perhaps the main purpose of maintaining this increasingly useless ‘moderate Islamist front’ is to reinforce the essential, fundamental legend that the West and al-Qaeda are deadly, planetary-scale entities locked in a fateful conflict the results of which justify all the crap the West has done. And it really is getting harder and harder to maintain the myth of the planet-stopping evil of AQ and the vital necessity of destroying multiple countries to get at it, because nobody in the real world pays any attention to Zawahiri, and clearly anybody can pick up the “brand” AQ and drop it again at will, just to be scary. So, the West has to have someone who (purportedly) is not AQ so that it can say, “Look! We’re fighting it! We hate it! AQ! Honestly!” if possible forever. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 17:22 utc | 50 Latest from Penny: Very interesting. Posted by: ben | May 15 2014 17:45 utc | 51 @18 “But let us say that the official fairytale is actually close to the truth. What would make you want to defend the government position? Is it because the poor devils have so little means of getting their story out through the MSM, and so you are stepping up to the plate to help out?” Posted by: Tom Murphy | May 15 2014 17:55 utc | 52 Jesus Fucking Christ America is full of fascist fucking retards. Posted by: JSorrentine | May 15 2014 19:23 utc | 53 Presented without much comment: Posted by: JSorrentine | May 15 2014 19:56 utc | 54 What’s up with Boko Haram? LUNCH WITH MICHELE OBAMA Posted by: ProPeace | May 15 2014 22:49 utc | 55 Greenwald sold the rights to Babs Broccoli, daughter of Cubby Broccoli, the incredibly talented Jewish producer who created the James Bond films, a true act of Jewish philanthropy in itself, for which thinking people including Greenwald should get down on their knees and thank God, especially if like Greenwald they claim to be total agnostics and only do yoga, because without such talented producers, Hollywood would cease to go round the sun. Babs Broccoli sold the whole package, with her as producer, on to Sony, which means more massive megabucks than ordinary eyes can imagine looking at in one place. I would think along the lines of “All The President’s Men.” But then, what do I know? I never watch movies at all, since I consider that to do so is to undergo brainwashing by TPTB without even getting paid for it. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 16 2014 0:21 utc | 56 US is meddling in Western China Posted by: Willy2 | May 16 2014 1:01 utc | 57 Virgile @40 Posted by: alpino | May 16 2014 8:05 utc | 58 It seems the US press is publishing interviews with Homs survivors. This won’t happen in the French one (or only with the so-called rebels made heroes, as Le monde already started) Posted by: Mina | May 16 2014 8:24 utc | 59 As a trusted friend of Israel, let me remind you to listen to your weekly 30 Minutes of H8, on National Propaganda Radio’s All Things Considered, as Ms. Teri ‘So’ Gross interviews the former US Ambassador to Russia, Michael ‘MIC’ McFaul, as he slowly and meticulously paints his ‘Cast Lead’ figurine of President Putin into everything that O’Biden truly represents: media suppression, national espionage, black propaganda ops, global hegemony, economic war crimes and generally unconstitutional police-state policies,…uhh, did I miss anything? Posted by: Chin Bikh | May 16 2014 9:20 utc | 60 This guy didn’t make it to the MSM. Ukrainians are more sexy? Posted by: Mina | May 16 2014 9:27 utc | 61 And this kidnapping and attack on Time journalists didn’t make it to the front page either Posted by: Mina | May 16 2014 9:40 utc | 62 @54 Posted by: Chin Bikh | May 16 2014 9:43 utc | 63 @36 Posted by: Chin Bikh | May 16 2014 10:42 utc | 64 west keeps going down… Posted by: Anonymous | May 16 2014 13:37 utc | 65 Benghazi in fire Posted by: Mina | May 16 2014 13:53 utc | 66 @63 Posted by: JSorrentine | May 16 2014 13:59 utc | 67 Alpino @58 Posted by: Virgile | May 16 2014 14:19 utc | 68 Was that a Hebrew School in France wearing skirts?Sounds normal,as the women rule their roost,do they not?sheesh.(maybe a source for their very large gender confused numbers) Posted by: dahoit | May 17 2014 14:19 utc | 69 If the “official government position” on 9-11-2001 didn’t include advocacy of punishing gross criminal negligence and investigating possible Israeli knowledge, it was deficient. Posted by: amspirnational | May 17 2014 20:50 utc | 70 thailand [another china friendly govt bite the dust], mh370 [i knew it’s a ff from the outset], nigeria kidnapping [oops , nigeria has been cozying up to china lately], boko haram attacking chinese workers [is it obligatory for terrarists to *baptise* themselves with attacks on chinese ?], xinjiang terrorisms …… Posted by: denk | May 23 2014 18:01 utc | 71 thailand [another china friendly govt bite the dust], mh370 [i knew it’s a ff from the outset], nigeria kidnapping [oops , nigeria has been cozying up to china lately], boko haram attacking chinese workers [is it obligatory for terrarists to *baptise* themselves with attacks on chinese ?], xinjiang terrorisms …… Posted by: denk | May 23 2014 18:08 utc | 72 thailand [another china friendly govt bite the dust], mh370 [i knew it’s a ff from the outset], nigeria kidnapping [oops , nigeria has been cozying up to china lately], boko haram attacking chinese workers [is it obligatory for terrarists to *baptise* themselves with attacks on chinese ?], xinjiang terrorisms …… Posted by: denk | May 23 2014 18:09 utc | 73 thailand [another china friendly govt bite the dust], mh370 [i knew it’s a ff from the outset], nigeria kidnapping [oops , nigeria has been cozying up to china lately], boko haram attacking chinese workers [is it obligatory for terrarists to *baptise* themselves with attacks on chinese ?], xinjiang terrorisms …… Posted by: denk | May 23 2014 18:09 utc | 74 venezuela, ukraine, thailand, ph, vietnam, xinjiang, nigeria [kidnapping, attacks on chinese workers]…. Posted by: denk | May 25 2014 4:33 utc | 77 5/27/2014 – Webster Tarpley Analyzes European Elections Posted by: Paty Kerry | May 28 2014 13:26 utc | 78 “TrueCrypt is not secure,” official SourceForge page abruptly warns Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 29 2014 4:59 utc | 79 ‘A new level of integration’: Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan sign Eurasian Economic Union Posted by: Paty Kerry | May 29 2014 8:22 utc | 80 *The U.S. can get away with almost limitless carnage in Africa* Posted by: denk | May 30 2014 2:10 utc | 81 |
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