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May 13, 2014

Is Egoism Of Countries Justifiable?

An internal presentation page by the National Security Agency, on page 167 of this big PDF and referenced in Glenn Greenwald's new book, says:

Oh Yeah ...
  • Put Money, National Interest, and Ego together, and now you're talking about shaping the world writ large.

What country doesn't want to make the world a better place ... for itself?

Can such egoism of a "country" ever be justified? How?

Posted by b on May 13, 2014 at 11:24 UTC | Permalink

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I keep getting followed around by this Israeli pest who thinks it will scare me if he prints my home address, the "we know where you live" tactic. Hence the comment currently at #100, which I have emailed Bernhard to remove, as I'm sure he will.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 17:55 utc | 101

@97

Obviously, since it had to take him some time to 1) join the military 2) sign up for special forces 3) break his legs 4) get discharged (natch) and 5) become a security guard at the NSA before becoming:

Edward Snowden
Agent Double-O Psyop
Code Names: Vortex Hacker, Bit Warlock
CIA Alias: Scruffy McCutiepants

Actually, I hear that Edward Snowden was on assignment - under corporate cover obviously - coming out of his mother's womb. It was a "snatch and grab" operation.

badoomtis

Posted by: JSorrentine | May 14 2014 17:57 utc | 102

thanx for the address i am sure there are interested parties.

Posted by: amir | May 14 2014 18:07 utc | 103

@80 - rowan berkeley. thanks, i will read it when i have some free time which is not right now.
@95 - jsore - hey, your tranq's seem to be working!

Posted by: james | May 14 2014 18:22 utc | 104

Oui, thanks for the map. The two gas basins in the east Ukraine dwarf the Carpathian in the west. Maybe that explain a little about this news:
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/14/ukra-m14.html
Hence Steinmeier’s one-day visit, in which he held talks with acting Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, acting President Oleksandr Turchynov and Rinat Akhmetov, one of the country’s richest and most powerful oligarchs, whose operations are based in the rebellious southeast of the country. After meeting briefly with Yatsenyuk at Kiev’s main airport, Steinmeier told reporters that both Kiev and the rebels in the east had to engage in a “national dialog” to ensure elections that would usher in “an atmosphere that points Ukraine forward.”

Yatsenyuk, however, made clear in his remarks that his government rejected holding talks with the separatists, whom he called “terrorists.” Later on Tuesday, after meeting with European Union officials in Brussels, Yatsenyuk thanked the OSCE but said Ukraine had drawn up its own “road map” for ending the crisis.

A joint statement by Yatsenyuk and Turchynov issued Tuesday was more blunt. It declared: “We are ready to talk to all those who pursue legitimate political goals, who are prepared to advance them by legal means and who have no blood on their hands.”

Separately, Turchynov pledged that his government would continue its “anti-terrorist” operation to put down the rebellion in the east.

Posted by: okie farmer | May 14 2014 18:54 utc | 105

JSor, Snowden had plenty time to get all that done - remember, he was a highschool dropout. :)

Posted by: okie farmer | May 14 2014 18:59 utc | 106

My goodness, Greenwald is narcissistic, ambitious, defensive, a prolific writer mostly of no good use (though in his salad days some of his criticism of Obiman was welcome, but it was very standard, before he joined Salon, iirc) - A low-level actor in what is branded as the ‘new media’, therefore necessarily ‘part of the establishment.’

He has a hot Brazilian husband and loves dogs, and won’t travel to GB as he is afraid of being arrested (I read, no idea if true), which only matters as it is part of the persona he puts forward.

I really can’t fathom why he is important. Maybe US Democrats are fans (no idea), but so what?

Sibel Edmonds doesn’t like being upstaged and gets shitty, pardon my language - what else is to be expected.

And btw being a Libertarian (or Communist, Anarchist, Syndicalist, etc.) is not a sin. Greenwald imho has no politics at all, a pure opportunist. Snowden is a weak libertarian and has more or less stuck with that line.

@ crone, if you are still reading, pay no attention to boiler plate college essays about Freud. We can let Freud RIP.

And all this is off topic. I got caught up and I’m in a foul mood. Off to the real bar - which is almost closing I’ll have to be quick...where are my cigs? my keys?

Posted by: Noirette | May 14 2014 19:42 utc | 107

@80 rowan berkeley - just starting to read your link now, but wonder who this person Chabad is in the 3rd paragraph down as he hasn't been mentioned in the previous paragraphs? " The real reason for the President’s “raid” on the best representatives of Russia’s Jewish oligarchical circles was the “strong-willed” decision of Chabad," it would make it easier if you gave a first name to him/her..

Posted by: james | May 14 2014 19:51 utc | 108

okay - i get it now - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad

Posted by: james | May 14 2014 19:55 utc | 109

rowan berkeley - thanks again for the article. it is quite informative. i am not sure what type of conclusion to draw from it, but i liked one of those commenting on the bottom of your article that said this "It remains to be seen, I guess, which of the protoganists, that is, “Pootie-Poot” and Russia or Chabad and their Israelist associates, is the spider and which is the fly."

Posted by: james | May 14 2014 20:16 utc | 110

"I have lawyers who are extremely well-connected at the Justice Department who usually can, with one phone call, get [Attorney General Eric] Holder on the phone."

- the anti-establishment Glenn Greenwald, in his interview with GQ, bragging about how well connected he is

Posted by: anonymous | May 14 2014 20:41 utc | 111

You are in a foul mood, noirette, indeed. Crone doesn't sound as if she needs your advice. I dare say there is some sort of female inability to distinguish between "boiler-plate college essays on Freud" and any other sort of mention of him: a sort of collective, indeed almost gender-wide intellectual tone-deafness, I think. I well remember the acres of garbage produced by feminists in their "critiques" of Freud, back in the 1970s. The number of worthwhile "critiques" was in fact, exactly zero. We have to wait ten years for anything worth reading, and when it came it took the form of post-Lacanian film theory.

Now bernhard, once again, please remove the comment containing my home address, at #100 (and it seems to have a clone at #104). Abominable little guttersnipes, these Israelis. If such simple and basic rules as not printing peoples' home addresses aren't followed, then the entire blogosphere will be condemned and dismantled: there are many in power who would seize upon the opportunity to do just this.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 0:07 utc | 112

thanx for the address i am sure there are interested parties.

Posted by: amir | May 14, 2014 2:07:38 PM | 104

See, I read this as "I'm sure there are interesting parties" and thought "yes, there may very well be".

Please remove the address b, and ban these retards who would do such low bullshit.

Posted by: guest77 | May 15 2014 0:51 utc | 113

Looks quite nice Rowan. I'm sure it was bombed mercilessly by the Nazis.

Posted by: guest77 | May 15 2014 0:53 utc | 114

b!

ditto rowan and guest77s word here.. get rid of these posters, as they have no good intent and actually just the opposite..

Posted by: james | May 15 2014 0:59 utc | 115

What "looks quite nice", Warrior Square? If so, then I must say it is nicer from the air than from the ground, but I love to look out at the sea from my seventh floor bay windows, especially on a full moon night like tonight. It was indeed bombed, but not singled out; the Nazi bombing raids used to come over at random points along a fairly broad front towards London, so that the anti-aircraft defenses had to be strung out all along the south coast and were consequently quite thin at any given point. Here we have a statue of Queen Victoria, facing out to sea, and this statue has a bullet wound in its knee, because the Nazi fighter escorts would fire down at the anti-aircraft positions along the beach. And it is certainly not the sort of place where JDL thugs would feel at home. We don't actually have JDL thugs in this country, in the way that Paris has had them for the last 30 years or so, where among other things they burned down the Vielle Taupe bookshop and beat Robert Faurisson half to death. But there are JDL thugs of an especially crazed disposition in New York, for instance, and some of them are probably capable of manufacturing home-made letter bombs, which being amateurish tend to blow up in the hands of postal workers, and that would be a very regrettable thing indeed. I do suggest taking the concept of Judeonazis 100% seriously; one can and should laugh at them, but nonetheless, some of them are the real thing.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 2:27 utc | 116

The Kidon department also has Kidoniot i.e. femaile assassins. It is a well know fact that women are better marksmen than men mainly because they have more patience. In addition to this thier femininty provides an almost 100% effective decoy aside from the honey-trap, old school,MI5, MI6 methods.
By providing the floor and view you have was not a good idea. They have methods of even using sun shadows for accuracy and this in conjunction with laser equipment.
I was trained as a sniper by the IDF until I realized the killings were random and senseless and then was jailed for refusing to take part in their racial cleansing.
I then migrated to the US to continue my studies but they keep an eye on me because of the training investment and methods I was taught.
There are not enough caveats to cover this subject and my internet use maybe even monitored.

Posted by: Gad | May 15 2014 5:56 utc | 117

Hilarious, Gad, thank you. I shall keep an eye open for glamorous israeli ladies with sniper rifles.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 8:22 utc | 118

Bernhard is making a real point of not removing my private address from this thread. He put up a new post hours ago, he must doubtless have received my email asking for the address to be removed, and he isn't doing it. I warn you, bernhard, that if you leave it up, you'll regret it.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 12:33 utc | 119

Rowan at 113. My bad tempered post included a dig at you personally, not a criticism of Freud (which I in any case have absolutely no interest in making), and going off on gender issues is odd, who cares about feminists being enraged at the concept of penis envy? :) Sorry about all that, all OT natch.

Posted by: Noirette | May 15 2014 13:41 utc | 120

Good old Noirette. By the way, you have just posted a long comment full of very detailed and pertinent info about Ukrainian big business, which I am hardly in any condition to read, having been working online for something like 12 hours, interrupted only by a nice carpenter who came to pull down the hall ceiling.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 14:01 utc | 121

Perhaps you had better leave 'Raz' up. He's bizarrely pseudo-grandiloquent. We could learn something from him, about delusions of grandeur perhaps. I think he's referring to my previous blog, which went pfft some time back in 2007 or so. And all this somehow related to homophobia? Extraordinary.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 14:56 utc | 122

gee rowan.. you must be doing something right to piss off these rejects that show up like this here..

Posted by: james | May 15 2014 15:27 utc | 123

Amira's a sock puppet. She turned up along with another one called Amir. I'm saying they're all sock puppets of one person, this fellow in Tzfat. But they are stalking me, whether they are plural or singular, that's the point. Stalking me from blog to blog and making a bloody nuisance of themselves.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 15:39 utc | 124

You all have exactly the same rhetorical tone. I know the sources for the various accusations and quotes better than you do, and I know that one person - a person who used to comment quite freely on my own blog, as long as he refrained from exactly this sort of thing - collected all the accusations and quotes, and of course my address, which I gave him long ago so that he could buy an Israeli book and send it to me. And I know he has recently gotten hold of a TOR client. So I think all of you are just him, and he or you has just gone off his or your trolley a bit.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 16:44 utc | 125

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That's a complaint about your not removing the address, bernhard. They will require you to do it. Immediately.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 15 2014 19:29 utc | 126

That sounds to me like a direct admission of stalking. This fellow is so blinded by his auto-induced frenzy that he can't see that. They often imagine ordinary law doesn't apply to them. But it does. It doesn't curtsey quietly and tiptoe out of the room at their request. That is probably why bernhard has steadfastly ignored my requests to remove the offending item: he wants to see just how much self-incriminating dementia the successive sock puppets come out with. Nevertheless, I've asked for it to be removed, because I have a fixed principle in this regard. The endless proliferation of new and newer nicknames he's using here speaks for itself, I think. I shall revert to calling him walter, because this was his original nickname before he started with the puppets, walter benjamin. You can plaster my private address all over the various sites devoted to targeting the supposed enemies of the Jews, walter. I wouldn't bother you there, would I? If you feel happy hanging out with JDL types, Kachists, etc, then go and tell them my home address, post it up, invite them to form whole punitive battalions to wipe me out. I'm not taking you very seriously, walter. I know what you are.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 16 2014 0:33 utc | 127

Incidentally, this brings us back to the original theme of the post, the égoïsme sacré of countries, but in this case refracted through the fevered consciousness of one small, retired Usaian émigré, stuck in a small town in northern Israel from which I suppose he considers it too late to return to Usaia, even though it's not a happy town, nor is his own experience of it happy, because his little home is gradually being surrounded by very noisy Lubavitchers whom he despises, as I remember him telling me. There is an irony in all this which I dare say will come home to him eventually.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 16 2014 0:52 utc | 128

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