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May 13, 2014
Is Egoism Of Countries Justifiable?

An internal presentation page by the National Security Agency, on page 167 of this big PDF and referenced in Glenn Greenwald's new book, says:

Oh Yeah …

  • Put Money, National Interest, and Ego together, and now you're talking about shaping the world writ large.

What country doesn't want to make the world a better place … for itself?

Can such egoism of a "country" ever be justified? How?

Comments

That’s the problem with “leadership.” I worked with a guy one time, a former music professor who took a job as a typist for a magazine, who liked to say that “shit floats to the top.” And I always thought that was a pretty accurate description of how society works. Whether we’re talking about the 1%, the spear-carriers of the national security state or your average backbencher in the legislature, it is a ego-based, sycophantic system fueled by what Freud called the death instinct. It has gotten worse as the power elite have become increasingly disconnected from regular working people.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | May 13 2014 12:20 utc | 1

The URL to the “big PDF” appears to point to a login pane; however, I think this document is the same (found it on G. Greenwald’s site).

Posted by: Philippe | May 13 2014 12:47 utc | 2

The frame is part of a sequence from a sequence of frames taken from a GCHQ (not NSA) ‘presentation’ which starts at p 161 and ends at p 167. ‘Presentations’ do not, AFAICS, necessarily reflect or eventuate in policies. They may do, or they may just be speculative forays of the sort that military staff bureaucracies and staff colleges routinely produce to justify their existence. We probably have all remember the intentionally terrifying Ralph Peters articles in the Usaian military college journal ‘Parameters’. Fascinating though they may be (and they are often written to shock), such articles do not reflect or drive policy. They may, or may not, provide inspiration for those who do write policy. More often, they are exercises in narcissism, similar to the military thrillers written by much the same sort of people: Ralph Peters himself, for instance. So this may be analogous. A ‘presentation’ may be anything or nothing at all. There’s a degree of juvenility in many of these which suggests very junior officers at play. One would have to read Greenwald’s book before allocating any particular significance to this.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 13 2014 13:02 utc | 3

And here is such an example: Hunter Biden joins the team of Burisma Holdings

Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expand edits Board of Directors by bringing onMr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.
R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”

And yes, this is the son of US Vize-President Biden.

Posted by: Fran | May 13 2014 13:28 utc | 4

Ayn Rand would be so proud today. Her theories/rantings, on the moral justifications for greed, avarice and ego, have taken hold in much of the world today. Pity.

Posted by: ben | May 13 2014 13:45 utc | 5

A bit OT, but with possible hints towards the posted question.

US State Department: United States do not recognise the results of the hockey match Russia – USA.
The U.S. Government has announced that it is not going to recognise the so-called “victory” of the Russian national team in a match at the world hockey championship. This was stated by the speaker of the U.S. State Department J.Psaki : “This match had nothing to do with hockey. One can not in the 21st century play hockey as if we were the 20th century . The Russian national team has demonstrated its imperial ambitions and has shown the methods of conduct remeniscent of the worst years of the Soviet Union: the dirty hockey puck carousel used by the Russian team at the gates of the U.S. team and the blocking of democratic U.S. pucks in their gate is clearly an attempt to revise the status quo and a threat to European security.”
While J. Psaki specified that does not know what a carousel is and that she was merely reading the text she was given, she is sure that it is something terrible and incompatible with human values​​: “We have no doubt that Russia is behind all of this. We have solid evidence that Putin has recently participated in a match of the so-called “Night Hockey League”, where he personally scored 6 goals in the opponent’s net. It is obvious to any independent observer that Russia has planned this massacre all along.” She also said that President Obama has expressed deep concern about the results of the game and said that “Russia is not only on the wrong side of history, but is also on the wrong side of geography, physics and physical education.” He also said that against the players of the Russian national team there will be immediately introduced a set of economic sanctions: “We, together with our European partners around the world, have decided to introduce immediate broad economic sanctions against the persons directly involved in the incident. Russia will pay dearly for it. We made a difficult decision to anull all discount cards that were in posession of the Russian national hockey team in European and American networks and sports stores such as Reebok, Nike, Adidas, they will be frozen until the next seasonal sales. Agents of Russian omperialism must understand that they will not go away.” Apart from that, Ms. Psaki commented on one of the players, Ovechkin, who defiantly shaved himself in protest of the recent Eurovision contest: “It is a protest against our common European values, against the choice of Europe… In the 21st century, you can not just shave your beard if you do not like it, this is completely unacceptable… He must immediately return his beard”.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | May 13 2014 14:10 utc | 6

Source (in Russian):
http://vz.ru/opinions/2014/5/13/686481.html

Posted by: Grim Deadman | May 13 2014 14:12 utc | 7

Two general points.
The first is that all the theories regarding Greenwald’s activities since joining Omidyar’s organisation-theories which included suggestions that Omdidyar had purchased the Snowden archive in order to suppress it-now seem much less mysterious.
Greenwald has been writing a book, and not just a work of fiction but a book requiring meticulous fact checking and scholarly attention to detail.
As to Omidyar-accused by some here of being behind the CIA operation in Ukraine- whatever else he might have done he appears to have been beyond reproach in his handling of the archive which, so I understand, has now been, largely, uploaded for all to examine.
God forbid that anyone should apologise. We might however be a little less inclined to savage our allies -which Greenwald and Snowden are- in harmony with the dark forces that they are exposing.
So far as the matter of egoism and national interest are concerned. Obviously they predate recorded history. In modern culture they can be traced back easily to Macchiavelli, who saw himself as distilling the wisdom of the “ancients.”
Ayn Rand is a very latecomer to this ball: Hobbes, Locke and many others promoted what in essence was un-Christian behaviour.

Posted by: bevin | May 13 2014 14:14 utc | 8

Based on all the public evidence, all the theories about Snowden = Russian spy / Snowden = CIA disinfo op / Omidyar = NSA files suppressor / etc. etc. are incorrect. Snowden has emerged as a moderate but passionate and sometimes eloquent civil libertarian. Greenwald is committed to his source. Omidyar is a liberal billionaire with all the attendant contradictions. The agglomeration of neolib Dem/NSA/Obama defenders, neocon national security state defenders and others who have devoted so much time to attacking Snowden have lost. In the end, the excessive anti-Snowden hype will blow back, in itself it’s helped to prolong the case and related substantive issues in the media.

Posted by: anonymous | May 13 2014 14:35 utc | 9

Greenwald may be your ally, old boy, but he certainly isn’t mine. However, I think he would make a superb US President.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 13 2014 15:05 utc | 10

I can’t figure the Biden thing. If this isn’t a step too far I don’t know what will be. The Obamas setting up house in the Winter Palace?

Posted by: L Bean | May 13 2014 15:20 utc | 11

nationalism is a problem.. it turns into patriotism and the next thing you know, people act like ignoramus’s.. if that is a part of this cult of ego and i think it is – it has to go if we are ever going to be able to learn to live together on the planet..
@6 grim deadman – this lady J.Psaki is making herself out as a real idiot and is a good example of egotism run amok. wrong side of history – she is on the wrong side of history and a complete ignoramus.

Posted by: james | May 13 2014 15:23 utc | 12

Yeah,Bidens son,profiting on Obombas assault on Ukrainian sovereignty and democracy.Surreal,and obviously the result of living in bubbles of poison ivy league arrogance
And look at the diversion of homosexual politics and promotion in our MSM lately.Michael Sam,Jason Collins,in sports,and even the European MSM join in with the Eurovision gentleperson.And you know who passed those allegedly anti gay{only pedophilia)laws last Year?Good ol’ Russia.God,the propaganda,and more divide and conquer from Americas bane,the ZioMSM.

Posted by: dahoit | May 13 2014 15:36 utc | 13

Sounds like Biden got bribed by Kolomoisky

But, Burisma changed owners last year: instead of Zlochevsky and Lisin, the company was taken over by a Cypriot off-shore enterprise called Brociti Investments Ltd. Pari and Esko-Pivnich also changed their address: they moved from Kateryny Bilokur Street to 10a Rylyeyeva Stree in Kyiv. A third company was already waiting for them in the same building – the above-mentioned Ukrnaftoburinnya.
If these three companies were brought together under one roof, it’s logical to assume that they were all owned by one person. At least “Slidstvo.Info” managed to find out the name of the owner of Ukrnaftoburinnya. According to the SMIDA state system, 90% of Ukrnaftoburinnya is owned by a Cypriot company, Deripon Commercial Ltd. With the help of our colleagues from the International Fund OCCRP (Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project), we learned who “derypons” the largest gas field in Ukraine.
In fact, the end owner of Deripon Commercial Ltd. is a company based in the British Virgin Islands – Burrad Financial Corp. This company has often been involved in various financial schemes of the Privat Group and especially with Ihor Kolomoisky.

Posted by: somebody | May 13 2014 15:43 utc | 14

Is it kosher to use UN helicopters to evac wounded ‘Kiev junta’ soldiers ? (if indeed they are)
#Kramatorsk via @lifenews_ru #Kiev regime forces have used #UN helicopters to evacuate wounded soldiers #Ukraine Nice shot

Posted by: rouge | May 13 2014 15:48 utc | 15

In a war, allies like Edward Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and Vladimir Putin are good to have. Otherwise, you end with a ‘critique’ that ultimately achieves nothing. Allies like Strelkin are also good to have.

Posted by: anonymous | May 13 2014 16:03 utc | 16

Can such egoism of a “country” ever be justified? How?

But they will make many enemies.
Human is a social animal. In society, power does not come from within oneself, but from borrowing others’ power. Borrowing is based on trust and trust puts limits on the exercise of power.
Those who rely on one’s own power, and exercise that power without regard to others, are nothing more than a bandit. However strong they may be, they can be easily overpowered by the combined force of other weaker parties.
Since WW2, the US power has been built up by mutually beneficial alliance system. Of course, the US gets the lion’s share of the benefits. But there should be enough benefit to others. If the US want to transform the system into an obvious predatory system, others would leave the system.
To defeat the lion, gazelles and wildebeests do not have to fight the lion. If they can run and hide from the lion, the lion will starve to death.

Posted by: PuppetMaster | May 13 2014 16:23 utc | 17

In his own words

n a statement published on its website, Burisma Holdings announced Hunter Biden would join its board of directors and head the company’s legal unit.
“As a new member of the board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine,” Hunter Biden said in the statement.
Burisma owns several Ukrainian oil and gas companies, including Esko Pivnich and Pari, Lenta.ru reported Tuesday. The company also has assets in Ukraine’s Dnepr-Donetsk, the Carpathian and the Azov-Kuvan basins.

So now the US (ie Biden) has a personal stake to ensure Donbass does not join Russia. By the way, Kolomoisky owes the ownership of these gas fields to Yanukovich.

Posted by: somebody | May 13 2014 16:36 utc | 18

interesting video – wrt empire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLG5Hx1eceY

Posted by: crone | May 13 2014 17:14 utc | 19

@President of the Fanboy Club: Snowden/GG Branch
[stupid personal attack deleted – b.]

Posted by: JSorrentine | May 13 2014 17:20 utc | 20

JSorrentine: fyi, bevin did not post the snowden posts you refer to . . .

Posted by: anonymous | May 13 2014 17:26 utc | 21

JSorrentine: sorry, my previous post is apparently incorrect

Posted by: anonymous | May 13 2014 17:31 utc | 22

The ‘news’ of appointment of Biden’s son is not in any MSM media – or am I mistaken?

Posted by: crone | May 13 2014 18:00 utc | 23

Sorry for the personal attack, b, but really? Let’s …
[repeat of previously deleted stupid comment deleted –
@JSorrentine – last warning – one more dumb rant and you will be blocked – b.]

Posted by: JSorrentine | May 13 2014 18:06 utc | 24

crone @ 19: Thanks for the video. More truth.

Posted by: ben | May 13 2014 18:36 utc | 25

@bevin “he appears to have been beyond reproach in his handling of the archive which, so I understand, has now been, largely, uploaded for all to examine. ”
– Omidyar has, according to Greenwald, no access to the NSA files.
– Only about 1,000 (or less) of some allegedly 50,000 pages from those files have been published, many of those redacted.

Posted by: b | May 13 2014 18:55 utc | 26

Egyptian expats will be allowed to cast their votes in France and Germany, after the army and General Sissi have removed the Islamists.
But Syrian expats won’t be allowed to vote in the 3rd June presidential election because France and Germany have declared it is a farce not to have let the Islamists take over power.
They don’t care about coherence anymore.

Posted by: Mina | May 13 2014 19:30 utc | 27

Mina
Something wrong with “islamists”? I bet you have no problem with Iran nor Hezbullah which are islamists, so drop that “islamists” nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13 2014 19:41 utc | 28

bevin #8
Thanks for putting in a few good words form Greenwald. The loony left attacks on him are tiresome. However, I have been hesitant to support him since it always has the potential to ignite a flame war. Glad to see b step in to moderate the reaction.

Posted by: ToivoS | May 13 2014 19:45 utc | 29

@Anonymous #28:
There is a considerable difference between Shiites who want to have an Islamic state and Salafists. I think Mina’s use of the term “Islamist” was perfectly clear and non-controversial. Or do you wish to suggest that there is nothing wrong with Salafists?
Jeez. No need for pompous political correctness on this site.

Posted by: Demian | May 13 2014 20:07 utc | 30

The NLR editorial on the Western response to Crimea’s reunification with Russia is not behind the paywall.

Few Western leaders failed to pronounce on the importance of sovereignty, territorial integrity and the rule of law as Russia moved to annex the Crimea on March 18th. Issues of sovereignty had to be addressed through constitutional means and international law, Obama told his nato allies in Brussels, so that big states could not simply bully the small. Cameron was adamant that countries could not flout international rules without incurring consequences, and vowed to stand up to aggression. Merkel deplored the fact that the principle of ‘might makes right’ was taking precedence over the strength of law. The G7 leaders recalled, in chorus, that international law prohibits the acquisition of another state’s territory through the use of force. When Schröder mused that, as Chancellor, he had joined the rest of NATO in bombing a sovereign country, Yugoslavia, without any UN Security Council backing, he was scolded—‘shameful’—by his successor; the European Parliament’s Greens tried to pass a resolution banning him from speaking on the matter.

Posted by: Demian | May 13 2014 20:28 utc | 31

Obviously, in the main, Snowden is an ally. If he should in the future come out, for example, in favor of sanctions against Iran, or for the
replacement of Assad, I shall criticise him sharply for those errors and thank him for the good work that he did, which required no small measure of bravery.
Let the theorists who usually require conspiratorial but not ideological purity (which would be another mistake) go their defeatist way.

Posted by: amspirnational | May 13 2014 20:54 utc | 32

for JSorrentine, in memoriam

Posted by: john | May 13 2014 20:56 utc | 33

Not that it is a mainstream “news” source but the Inside Baseball of the beltway elite Politico has the confirmation about Biden’s son Hunter and his new gig:
Hunter Biden to Ukraine gas board.
In the field the bodies burning, as the war machine keeps turning….

Posted by: Donn Marten | May 13 2014 20:59 utc | 34

Demian
This is the problem, when the left begins to sound like the extreme right warning for the evil muslims, something is wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13 2014 21:07 utc | 35

ben,
I suspect that Rand would say that egotism is in a characteristic of the individual and not the state; that the state is a collective and therefore antithetical to the individual and egotism. (I’m saying “I suspect” what Rand might have thought or said because she, I am sure, would have severely chastised me for speaking on her behalf.) I would however think that you are partially correct that she would be proud that her writings and philosophy (pseudo?) are so overwhelmingly influencing the political mood of the country. But again however, I suspect that she would be aghast that her philosophy has been so mangled that the rich and super rich have but used the vehicle of state to procure advantage so as to milk the economic system.
I agree that others preceded Rand in offering rational to justify dominion and greed but it was Rand who presented a coherent philosophical argument that elevated selfishness to a moral imperative.
For WIW.

Posted by: juannie | May 13 2014 21:14 utc | 36

@Anonymous #35:
So you support cannibalistic Salafist terrorists, like Obama and the CIA do?
If it’s OK to condemn Uki neonazis, why is it not OK to condemn Salafist terrorists?
Killing hundreds of thousands of people and displacing millions more, as Salafists have in Syria, is not evil in your opinion?

Posted by: Demian | May 13 2014 21:27 utc | 37

Demian
This is the problem I tried to tell you about earlier.
Israel loves Sisi and talk like you, does that mean you support Israel and US now?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13 2014 22:13 utc | 38

Bizarre: Top U.N. Mediator in Syria Conflict Resigns Because Syria Will Hold Election
First the PTB are against autonomy referendums. Now they’re against presidential elections.

His resignation came amid rising frustration with President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, who ignored Mr. Brahimi’s proposed agenda for talks and then scheduled a presidential election that will probably install him for another seven-year term. Top United Nations officials had expressed dismay at the move, saying the election would probably sabotage any further diplomacy.

To use Justin Raimondo’s term, we really are living in a bizarro world. (Also, the election has been scheduled for years.)

Posted by: Demian | May 13 2014 22:22 utc | 39

@Anonymous #38:
At least Sisi doesn’t intend to invade Syria. Does that make you sad?

Posted by: Demian | May 13 2014 22:32 utc | 40

Could an American ‘Pussy Riot’ perform a song called ‘Fuck Obama, the US and the EU’ in the lobby of JP Morgan Chase on Wall Street? The freedom of America is such that they couldn’t unload their amps out of the van. That is the freedom that is being sold to Ukraine and to the Western public. Fortunately, Donetsk and Luhansk aren’t buying.
The only people buying American Freedom are the same ones who are selling.

Posted by: anonymous | May 13 2014 22:45 utc | 41

David Remnick just did a one hour interview with Pussy Riot. Maybe he asked them that question? He appears to be obsessed with them.
I have to take special measures to watch that video, since Flash crashes on my computer, so I am not going to bother.

Posted by: Demian | May 13 2014 23:28 utc | 42

Demian
This is whats wrong with the left, you dont know whats going on, past week sisi and israel made a big gas deal thats while yoi are here talking abpit evil muslims.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13 2014 23:30 utc | 43

Is anyone willing to create a White House petition to request that the State Department declare the United States government a ‘sponsor of state terror’, based on its support for violent jihad in Syria and neo-Nazi violence in Ukraine?
This would be an apt quotation to use in the petition:
“The greatest purveyor of violence in the world : My own Government, I can not be Silent.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

Posted by: anonymous | May 13 2014 23:38 utc | 44

In connection with @8
As many of you are probably aware, Sibel Edmonds wrote an article titled “Mr Snowden, It’s Time to Come Out and Take a Stand Publicly as to Your Intentions” in BFP (December 2013) in which she directed the following questions to Snowden.
“1. What was your foremost intention for making the decision to obtain thousands of documents that implicated the United States government?
2. What was your foremost intention for actually taking the action following your decision, and obtaining those documents?
3. At the time, when you were obtaining the documents, did you target particular categories of implicating documents, or did you just grab everything you could?
If you vetted the documents, or the specific categories of documents, beforehand, and then went about obtaining them, then why would you ask journalists to vet and make personal judgments on which ones to release or which ones to withhold permanently?
If you didn’t vet the documents prior to obtaining them, and if you asked particular journalists to vet them and decide what to release and what to withhold, did you make any demands to ensure that you were part of that vetting process and that they had to have your consent?
If you didn’t vet the documents prior to obtaining them, and if you asked particular journalists to vet them and decide what to release and what to withhold, did you also asked them to have meetings with U.S. and U.K. government agencies, and have those who were actually implicated in your documents call the shots on what to withhold and what to release?
4. Did you provide Glenn Greenwald with your explicit consent and authorization to make decisions on what to release and what to withhold? If so, was this in writing? If so, why and how did you make that decision?
For example: Mr. Greenwald entered in a contractual agreement with a mainstream corporate publisher to withhold certain documents only to include them exclusively in his coming book in return for millions of dollars. Did you sanction this decision? Do you find this action justified and reasonable?
5. Did you provide Mr. Greenwald with your explicit consent to strike a business venture with a corporation that is a known cooperative partner of the NSA in a $250 million deal? Did you authorize Mr. Greenwald to withhold 99% of the documents and transfer their ownership to the corporate news entity owned by PayPal’s Pierre Omidyar? If yes, when and how did you provide your consent and approval? What was your reasoning for sanctioning and or authorizing this transfer of document ownership, and to withhold the vast majority of these documents from the public and its right to know?
6. Do you believe it is reasonable, justified and acceptable that the person you gave the ownership of these documents to is commoditizing and profiting from these documents that are considered classified and stolen by the United States government, yet were considered by you as evidence to which the people have the right to know about?
If yes, then, do you believe that it is acceptable and correct for entities who obtain classified and incriminating government documents to market these documents as commodities, and offer them to the highest bidders, whether the bidder is the government, or a corporation, or a book publisher?
If your answer to above question (a) is yes, then, do you believe you are also entitled to benefit and profit from the sale and censorship of these documents?
7. Have you made any venture deals or entered into any contract with Mr. Greenwald where you will receive a cut from the millions of dollars that are being obtained by him in return for publication and withholding certain portions of the NSA documents?
If yes, when, where and how?
If yes, then, does your flexibility on the sale and commoditization of stolen and classified government documents also extend to foreign government entities?
8. This appears to be the first case labeled and categorized as a whistleblowing case where a leak is being commoditized at a value of hundreds of millions of dollars by corporations such as PayPal, Book publishers and Hollywood studios. Could you provide us with your general stand, principles and values with regard to leaking and disclosing for political and profit motives?”
I do not believe she received an answer to any of these questions.

Posted by: Phantastron | May 13 2014 23:43 utc | 45

Great article.
Free counters!

Posted by: Billy P | May 14 2014 1:14 utc | 46

I wonder if the Poodle Blair is getting a tad concerned… ICC Prosecutor to re-open initial examination of alleged British crimes in Iraq

Fatou Bensouda, the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), on Tuesday said she decided to re-open the preliminary examination of allegations that British troops committed war crimes in Iraq from 2003 to 2008.
She told a press conference that her decision was based on “substantial information, much more than what we had in 2006.” The ICC has jurisdiction over crimes that are committed on the territory of a state party or by nationals of a state party to the ICC’s Rome Statute. The UK is a state party.
Iraq is a not a State Party, but the ICC has jurisdiction over alleged crimes committed on the Iraqi territory by nationals of States Parties, in this case Britain.
She explained that she cannot go after American forces who allegedly committed war crimes in Iraq during the same period, because the US is not party to the Rome Statute.
She stressed that preliminary examination is “not an investigation. It is rather a process whereby we check whether the crimes have been committed and who is responsible for those crimes, whether the national jurisdiction is doing anything to address those crimes, and whether it will be in the interest of justice to carry on with the preliminary examination.” There is no timeline, she indicated. “We continue to analyze the information and at some point we come to a decision whether to open an investigation or not. This is what we will do at this current stage.” She added that her office will not say whether it will go after the military or the politicians in the UK. “We will just be looking at the persons, whoever they are, who bear responsibility for those crimes if we are going to investigate.”

Posted by: CTuttle | May 14 2014 1:15 utc | 47

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2014 5:07:30 PM | 35
Anybody who persecutes people of different race or belief equals a Nazi.

Posted by: somebody | May 14 2014 1:34 utc | 48

The unfortunate truth of the human condition is that many of us, not just the Russians, find that the only way we can express our true thoughts is along with a sling of expletives. However, there is a unconscious pattern to this: alas, we must admit the repellent Sigmund Freud (another self-destroyer) to our councils. We are marginalising ourselves, my dear Sorrentine, out of a certain unconscious cowardice. You know and I know that Bevin & Toivos are totally sold-out, lying, low-level operatives from the stinking, prostitute, paid & cosseted pseudo-Left (excuse my language, chers collègues, or don’t if you prefer); but something in us, my dear Sorrentine, recoils at the thought of further dust and dirt from their pronouncements entering our clear and well-oiled wheels, so we sabotage ourselves, to provide the so-called referee (bernhard, pursuing bog knows what private agenda of his own, just like the clearly agent Saker does) with the rule-dominated means to exclude us.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 1:43 utc | 49

The problem starts with “the pursuit of happiness“.

Posted by: somebody | May 14 2014 1:48 utc | 50

That’s good, somebody, but for those who do not wish to labour through Freud’s collected works (a pleasure I have promised myself for the near future), let me provide a convenient synopsis of Freud’s final view. I shall not employ direct quotations, which would be time-consuming and unnecessary. The hypothesis of the death instinct emerges naturally from our consideration of the pleasure principle, which looks so innocent upon first glance. What does the pleasure principle seek? It seeks the release of tension accumulated by previous frustrations of its pleasure-seeking activity. All pleasure is merely the removal of previous pain. There is no pleasure in a positive sense. The best net outcome is zero. To die is to be freed from all further pain, and not even the most successful worldly hedonist ever achieves more than that. Let us not be misled by the momentary jouissance of the organism: the male in the dreamed-of blissful orgasm with the ideal female partner, and the female in the dreamed-of birth of the ideal children. These ‘pleasures’ are merely the ruse of brute nature. In reality, they entail further lifetimes of the same misery with the same optimal goals, namely the momentary removal of pain and the illusion of an idyllic goal attained for one brief moment. As if that gave it all ‘meaning’, but it does not.
Therefore, we are forced back to classical Stoicism, unless of course we posit some realm of post mortem survival for the human spirit, which we are at liberty to do. We shall have to reckon with the fact that all the ‘religions’ (with the possible exception of the very earliest Buddhism, and a few subsequent revivals of the spirit of the earliest Buddhism such as the Zen of the Japanese Rinzai school), are essentially falsifications in the service of worldly power. It would be extremely hard to develop any doctrine of post mortem survival that was not just an expression of expedient fantasy. If it were possible, it might provide some benchmark whereby to establish the possibility of a higher form of pleasure, not contingent upon the body and hence not a mere cancellation of previous pain. But history provides no substantial support for such a hypothesis. And most significantly, the Marxists follow a crude, combative, nineteenth-century materialist dogmatism, which excludes it at the outset. We may learn from the Chinese Communist assault on Tibet, how very hard it is for Marxists to overcome their own spiritual limitations. These limitations are evidently innate and inescapable, or nearly so. We have little reason for optimism in this regard. OK?

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 2:49 utc | 51

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 13, 2014 10:49:15 PM | 51
The text I linked to is short, much clearer and better than your summary.

Posted by: somebody | May 14 2014 2:59 utc | 52

It certainly isn’t shorter.
🙂

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 3:02 utc | 53

I have to disagree with bevin. Maybe I can do it without calling anyone a “fanboi”.
As time is of the essence considering the type of material, the idea that Greenwald should stop putting out the documents because he is “busy with a book” gives the lie to the idea that he got together with Omidyar to expand his capabilities beyond what a lone reporter could do. If these documents are truly important – which they are – and there is still huge amounts to be exposed – which as b indicates, there is – then there is no reason to slow down the pace to write a book (as if it is all a one man show anyway), especially when there are a huge number of truly excellent reporters on board at the Intercept.
We can only hope that Greenwald’s article, book, and potential movie move this country closer to ridding itself of the NSA, but Greenwald and Omidyar must be looked at closely and must be criticized. Unfortunately, much of the criticism here has been overblown, ridiculous, and based on no evidence and ultimately counterproductive both in tone and in substance. Some obviously comes from the US government itself. But that doesn’t mean that all criticism is invalid and that we should glibly accept these two as “allies” when, for all intents and purposes, they appear to be treating these documents – truly the birthright of US citizens and indeed everyone in the world – as their own private domain.
There are two criticisms which I think are extremely valid:
1. The “Responsible” leakers: I think the criticism of the trio (like at sites like The Rancid Honeytrap) that Greenwald has gone out of his way to attempt to counterpose himself as “reasonable” and “responsible” leaker – as opposed to Assange, who is now paying an extremely heavy price for genuinely revolutionary actions – is absolutely valid. Greenwald’s arrival into the United States with great fanfare, dangling out promises that the ‘best is yet to come’, all while the exposures grow stale seems absolutely irresponsible. After all, Manning is imprisoned, Assange may as well be, and Snowden is in exile. Yet Greenwald is busy partying and writing books and movies – this says a great deal, IMHO. Is there no solidarity here?
2. The actions of Omidyar: I don’t think anyone ever accused Omidyar of being “behind” the entire CIA operation in Ukraine. But his actions there – funneling money into NGOs and “democracy-promotion” under the watchful eye of the CIA – lay bare his concept of the role of the United States and the ultra-rich on the world stage. This deserves some serious consideration, after all, what kind of reporting can we hope for when these are the actions of the publisher? If the main struggle in our world today is securing political multi-polarity, then why should we think that a man who actively spends billions to thwart this is “an ally”?
And what of Greenwald’s views on imperialism? Take this truly ignorant statement:

It is true that in this region (as is true for the U.S.), there remains a small, fervent band of left-wing fanatics with crazed enthusiasm for the worn-out, socialist/collectivist policies which have condemned millions upon millions of people throughout Latin America to poverty unimaginable to even the poorest Americans.
“>http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html

The above statement is absolutely the most appalling, ahistorical nonsense I have ever read. Which ‘socialist/collectivist’ policies that ‘condemned millions upon millions of people throughout Latin America to poverty’ is Greenwald referring to? The decades of US sponsored right wing dictatorships maybe?
No, you cannot make a statement like that and not be under a great cloud in my opinion. Just as you cannot see yourself as a “billionaire philanthropist” who just happens to put your cash into meddling in other people’s countries and be considered an “ally” of any honest person.
There is too much questionable background here. The above statements go right along with what seems to be Greenwald’s feeling that the key issues at stake are personal privacy, not US imperial power. Right along with his insistence that private, corporate power is to be less feared than public, state power (as if, in this day and age, there is any difference at all).
Let’s take what Greenwald and Omidyar have because – really – we need this information, and have no other choice (though, certainly, I wish we did). But let’s not imagine that they are working for any interests except for those that can very narrowly be described as “theirs”.

Posted by: guest77 | May 14 2014 3:11 utc | 54

That’s why I said Greenwald would make an absolutely ideal Usian President. And he himself predicts that someone like him would be the next logical President after Hillary (whom he hates with a fervour which is hilarious in itself):

Hillary is banal, corrupted, drained of vibrancy and passion. I mean, she’s been around forever, the Clinton circle. She’s a fucking hawk and like a neocon practically. She’s surrounded by all these sleazy money types who are just corrupting everything everywhere, but she’s going to be the first female president, and women in Usaia are going to be completely invested in her candidacy. Opposition to her is going to be depicted as misogynistic, like opposition to Obama has been depicted as racist. It’s going to be this completely symbolic messaging that’s going to overshadow the fact that she’ll do nothing but continue everything in pursuit of her own power. They’ll probably have a gay person after Hillary, who’s just going to do the same thing. I hope this happens so badly, because I think it’ll be so instructive in that regard, it’ll prove the point. Usaians love to mock the idea of monarchy, and yet we have our own de facto monarchy. I think what these leaks did is they demonstrated that there really is this government. There just is the kind of permanent government that doesn’t get affected by election choices, and that isn’t in any way accountable to any sort of democratic transparency, and just creates its own world off on its own.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 3:19 utc | 55

@ 49
psychobabble – intertwined with passive-aggressive insults
and again, @ 51, more – much more psychobabble
really Rowan, some of us really can read – and think for ourselves
Thanks for your post Somebody…

Posted by: crone | May 14 2014 3:20 utc | 56

@54 – the link went back because of my blockquote tag, but here it is: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html
The point is that Greenwald made this statement at the absolute height of the left resurgence in Latin America that was lifting millions and millions out of poverty, yet he turns facts and history on its head completely – all to score a cheap point for George W. Bush?
This is extremely worrying. And I don’t care if it was nine years ago. Couple it with his more recent statements, and his decision to work with Omidyar and you have, to me, a whole lot of danger signs.
What can we really hope for? What material is making its way out and what not? Why the refusal to put all the documents out (which they are not bevin, an important point I don’t mean to press as b made it already)? Why the hours and hours of uber-defensive back and forth in the comments section of The Intercept instead of just clearing up the damn questions.

Posted by: guest77 | May 14 2014 3:20 utc | 57

The news about Biden’s son going to be an executive for a Ukrainian gas company just says it all…
Think tanks, corporate boards, university regents! These are the principalities and fiefdoms of 21st Century royalty.
Just like the marriage between Sikorski and Applebaum ties together the power centers of Poland and conservative US think tanks – so another prince takes the throne to tie together two distant lands!
The Hapsburgs would feel right at home in todays world… makes me want to puke.

Posted by: guest77 | May 14 2014 3:25 utc | 58

@guest77 #54:
I believe few on the Left believe that Greenwald is a saint. He was for the invasion of Afghanistan, after all, and I’ve seen him described as a libertarian, although I have not looked into that.
Can’t we just keep this simple, and while also acknowledging that Snowden is not a saint either (he too appears to be a libertarian), recognize that he has had a real, positive impact, in my own view primarily by driving a further wedge between Germany and the Empire? And if Snowden chose to make his revelations through Greenwald, let us respect that.
People can make very significant, positive contributions against the Empire without being ideologically pure from a Leftist perspective. I take Antiwar.com more seriously than I do Counterpunch now. I just stop reading Justin Raimondo when he goes off on one of his economic libertarian digressions.

Posted by: Demian | May 14 2014 3:26 utc | 59

Crone, nobody is stopping you from thinking for yourself. Slagging off other people’s thinking as ‘psychobabble’ isn’t in itself ‘thinking’, though. So we await your actual ‘thinking for yourself’ to manifest.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 3:26 utc | 60

Could have been JSore that made the “reasonable leakers” point in fact.

Posted by: guest77 | May 14 2014 3:34 utc | 61

@59
I’m obviously not saying we should disregard the information. It is the most valuable info about Imperial malfeasance to have emerged in decades.
I’m just saying – let’s be honest about who these two are and let’s start making demands on them instead of just being pleased that they’re (extremely slowly) giving us the information that rightfully belongs to all of us.

Posted by: guest77 | May 14 2014 3:47 utc | 62

isn’t there a blog where the best commentators reside after apotheosis by b.?
Pragma, now JSor…
it took decades me to overcome my prejudice against Jung and his apparent mysticism; as Gilad says he is actually much more interesting, but Freud had better marketing.
in real world terms Jung’s work, I believe, has done more good, practically and theoretically–Myers-Briggs is one example

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | May 14 2014 3:48 utc | 63

Crone do tell me, what is a “passive-aggressive insult” when it’s at home? Is it something from the realm of “psychobabble”? Did my remarks about female illusions offend you? They at least are accurate expressions of Freud’s view. But I didn’t mean to suggest that my entire comment #49 would be a mere exposition of Freud’s own views. Indeed, I go far beyond Freud’s own views in that comment. He would never admit that there was any possible merit in any doctrine of post mortem survival of the human spirit; his view was exactly the same “crude, combative, nineteenth-century materialist dogmatism” as that of the Marxists, though inflected in a centre-right direction. And he would never have admitted that his views merely amounted to a recapitulation of “classical Stoicism”. No Jewish philosopher ever admits that his views merely recapitulate previous, non-Jewish philosophies. Spinoza is the same. His views amount to a recapitulation of classical Stoicism, too. The place to find Freud’s development of the doctrine of the death instinct is not “Civilisation and its discontents” ( a tract for non-professionals, by the way) but “Beyond the pleasure principle” (a tract for his fellow analysts, or more accurately his disciples). Anyway, I enjoy these brief windows in the diurnal cycle, when I have gotten up incredibly early and you people have not yet gone to bed. This has been fun (and I await some responses to my comments on the next thread, about the apocalypse, which are really very closely related to this matter of the death instinct).

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 3:52 utc | 64

Thank-you Rowan for the compliment: You know and I know that Bevin & Toivos are totally sold-out, lying, low-level operatives from the stinking, prostitute, paid & cosseted pseudo-Left (excuse my language, chers collègues That is from you.
Sometimes Rowan has sensible analyses and that is why I do not automatically avoid him. Then he goes on these Jewish cabal/Zionist theories that completely defy any common sense. Not to mention his belief that the world trade centers were not taken down by the airplanes that crashed into them (minor correction, it was not the crashes that brought them down but the subsequent fires).
In any case there still remains a real left in the western world (as powerless as we are) and it does not include you, Rowan.

Posted by: ToivoS | May 14 2014 3:54 utc | 65

If the real left is powerless, then it evidently isn’t very real after all. It is a sort of intellectual couch potato fatalism.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 4:00 utc | 66

@Rowan Berkeley #66:
The “real left” can still observe and analyze. And analysis leads to the conclusion that the US Empire and the global program of imposing unbridled capitalism on everyone are pretty much the same thing. And what is the main force contesting the Empire’s hegemony today? Russia.
Yet many on the Left are in denial that Russia is now playing that role, because Russia has rejected socialism (although it has rejected neoliberalism as well, after Yeltsin), and because the Russian government is using a kind of cultural conservatism to restore a non-Soviet Russian identity.

Posted by: Demian | May 14 2014 4:43 utc | 67

Russia is subject to the same plutocratic control as any other capitalist country, but nobody on your so-called ‘left’ is interested in this. In this respect, your so-called ‘left’ is mirroring the propaganda of its imperial opponents, namely, that Putin is an autocrat hanging in a power vacuum. Only I (and my trusty source Eduard Hodos, it seems) are prepared to talk about Putin’s backers.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 4:53 utc | 68

Hehe, the Ukraine and Israel have a lot of common after all:

Ehud Olmert, 68, will go down in the history books as the first former prime minister of the Israeli regime ever to have been sent to jail on corruption charges.
The charges, which have resulted in a six-year prison sentence, surfaced some six years ago, cutting short his political career and impacting peace negotiations with the Palestinians.
The son of Jewish immigrants from Russia and the Ukraine

As people will recall, the former Ukrainian president Yulia Tymoshenko was doing time for corruption charges until the Kyiv putschists sprung her.

Posted by: Demian | May 14 2014 4:56 utc | 69

@44 – i agree with that..
@49 – rowan berkeley. i sure don’t see it that way. i think some folks don’t know how to state their own views without attacking others who don’t obviously share their views.. they feel so threatened that someone would see something from a different pov that they have to attack others – posters on this board – for this.. that to me smacks of insecurity more then it does from a place of confidence.. unfortunately soreass falls in this later category.. you are starting to sound similar with your post here. and, i generally like what you have to say.
@58 guest77 – it sure looks that way.
@59 – demian – i agree with your viewpoint here.
@68 rowan berkeley. certainly i am all ears for a discussion on putins backers. please enlighten me on your viewpoint on this as i am quite curious. thanks.

Posted by: james | May 14 2014 5:52 utc | 70

In one of John Stockwell’s (ex-CIA) recorded talks in the 80’s, he talked about a meeting of the bigwigs on the Angola CIA operation he was overseeing. He talked about how Kissinger went into a pout because the Sec. of Def. had occupied “Kissinger’s chair” and refused to give it up. Stockwell explained the meetings had no designated seating arrangements, Kissinger just decided a certain chair was his. The SOD had arrived earlier and had already set up his presentation at the chair Kissinger wanted before Kissinger arrived. Kissinger demanded the chair, the SOD explained he was already set up, told Kissinger to just take another chair. Kissinger then took another chair, faced it away from everybody at the meeting and refused to take part in the meeting. Just sat their and pouted like a schoolboy. I’m not sure what the name of the talk is, but it is probably one of those by Stockwell at the Third World Traveler site (an excellent archive site).
Excessive ego, stubborn single mindedness, pathological greed, total lack of compassion and remorse and an adolescent view of the world is what makes up “leaders” in hierarchical societies.

Posted by: scalawag | May 14 2014 5:55 utc | 71

There seems to be more to the Hunter Biden story:
Questions To Ask About Biden’s Work With A Gas Company In Ukraine

Twitter is abuzz with questions about the involvement of Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter with a gas company in Ukraine. The company, Burisma, allegedly appointed Hunter Biden to its board of directors. In late April, around the time the vice president made an official trip to Ukraine, Burisma allegedly appointed Devon Archer, one of Hunter Biden’s business partners, to its board as well. Here’s a brief write-up on the story from the Moscow Times, an English-language news service based in Russia.
These dual announcements raise more questions than they answer. The prominence of the individuals involved — Hunter Biden is the vice president’s son, while Devon Archer was a major bundler for John Kerry and also his stepson’s college roommate — raises the question of whether the entire thing is a hoax.

Posted by: Fran | May 14 2014 6:15 utc | 72

#69
Demian that is interesting. I have been aware of the many millions of “Russians” that live in Israel actually came from what today we call Ukraine and Moldova. I know from my own family that many thought they came from Russia and some others identified with Poland. After looking at modern maps they all seem to have come from Ukraine or Moldova. Really can’t blame them for that, their first language was Yiddish after all. They had no identification those native nationalisms.

Posted by: ToivoS | May 14 2014 6:36 utc | 73

We have been all over the map today. It is hard to understand that there has been no mention about the ambush near Kramatorsk today that resulted in the deaths of 8 Ukrainian soldiers and the destruction of two APCs. That strikes me as a major escalation, I suspect we will here about it tomorrow.

Posted by: ToivoS | May 14 2014 6:40 utc | 74

Posted by: ToivoS | May 14, 2014 2:40:28 AM | 74
“It is hard to understand that there has been no mention about the ambush near Kramatorsk today that resulted in the deaths of 8 Ukrainian soldiers and the destruction of two APCs. That strikes me as a major escalation”
Gloating is what you people do.

Posted by: scalawag | May 14 2014 7:17 utc | 75

Toivos
74
Link to that?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14 2014 7:23 utc | 76

Posted by: scalawag | May 14, 2014 3:17:38 AM | 75
No one really seems to want to make a big thing about it …

Andrii Deshchytsia ‏@ADeshchytsia 15h
#Russia-backed terrorists attacked #Ukraine military with grenade launchers today near #Kramatorsk, killing 6, wounding 8. Mourning again…

Are you sure you know what they were doing in Kramatorsk and who they were?
Merkel came out with an opaque statement of “nobody should sit at the reconciliation round table talks using violence” which could be interpreted as meaning “separatists” but could also be used against “Kyiv”.
As is, the “Kyiv government” is faced with the fact that no one seems to acknowledge “their legitimate right to ensure order” any more.

Posted by: somebody | May 14 2014 7:34 utc | 77

#75 The Guardian and RT have reported on the battle near Kramatosk. No doubt that it happened.

Posted by: ToivoS | May 14 2014 8:19 utc | 78

Posted by: scalawag | May 14, 2014 3:17:38 AM | 75
Gloating is what you people do.
Gloating?? WTF are you trying to say?

Posted by: ToivoS | May 14 2014 8:22 utc | 79

There is nothing surprising about the Kramatorsk ambush, to me anyway, because over the last several days, the Donetsk Peoples’ Government has made it clear that a state of war exists between them and Kiev. The only thing that has been in doubt in my eyes is whether or not the interesting underground commander of the rebel fighters, Igor Streltsev, had actually issued a pronouncement formally claiming overlordship of all the rebel militias, or whether this was disinformation put out by Kiev to reinforce their claim that all the significant rebel militia leaders were actually Russian agents, since Streltsev was a GRU Lt-Col earlier in his life, hence his military competence. He has since disowned the pronouncement, so it must have been Kiev disinfo.
James, in #70 you asked about my #68. What I was referring to was this gorgeous 2002 piece by Eduard Hodos, a Reform Jewish leader in Ukraine ousted by the Lubavitchers. This is a piece I am very proud of, since I saved it for posterity by rescuing it from a now-extinct Russian Orthodox Christian site:
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/selected-reminiscences-of-eduard-hodos/

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 8:45 utc | 80

Latvia would rather be peed on by NATO than join russia! http://rt.com/news/158804-latvia-nato-occupiers-mayor/

Posted by: brian | May 14 2014 9:29 utc | 81

FYI
amazing! UN is little more than a tool of the US empire…are they worried or only embarrassed?
RT @RT_com 1h
UN-marked strike helicopter ‘used by #Kiev against militia’ sparks scandal http://on.rt.com/lbr9ks #Ukraine

Posted by: brian | May 14 2014 9:38 utc | 82

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14, 2014 12:53:26 AM | 68
oh really? id say russia and any other capitalist country are very different..the difference is they dont have a Putin

Posted by: brian | May 14 2014 10:06 utc | 83

Anonymous @41 “Could an American ‘Pussy Riot’ perform a song called ‘Fuck Obama, the US and the EU’ in the lobby of JP Morgan Chase on Wall Street?” Better than that, US State Dept’s Victoria Nuland was involved with Acid Pauli in their brilliant ‘Fuck the EU’ release here..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlhAQQiegAs

Posted by: harry law | May 14 2014 10:48 utc | 84

harry, whatever do you mean, she was “involved”?

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 11:11 utc | 85

EGOTISM is the feeling of exaggerated importance. Eg America
EGOISM is the idea that one should only act in their own interests. Nietzsche/Rand
American sanctions on Russia show that they can humiliate Putins close friends and no one can do anything. Bully tactics. Other countries are afraid of American displeasure so they are humiliated by being forced to side with America.
Germany (who fears to have its past held up for revulsion ) wants to be accepted back as a civilized nation . England,or UK/Britain, has no function except as Americas bitch. Others have prostituted themselves and try to justify their humiliation.
Putin is in a position to earn the respect and gratitude of most of the world by being dignified and resolute. It is time to realign the power positions. In the long term good of everyone. Don’t let injury or temper spoil the unique opportunity
America has disgraced itself. Guantanamo torture camp, depleted uranium, Cambodia, Libya, Iraq, Israeli phosphorus and more on the Palistineans, Drone killings of “suspected” bad people, …………. Americans collectively have the blood of many millions of innocents on their hands. And by condoning their Gov actions they have it individually. They can redeem themselves if they ever see how they are manipulated.

Posted by: boindub | May 14 2014 11:33 utc | 86

boindub #86
How?

Posted by: Nora | May 14 2014 11:38 utc | 87

“Ukrainian soldiers” ? Blackwater mercenaries direct Kiev regime’s crackdown in Ukraine

Posted by: ProPeace | May 14 2014 11:46 utc | 88

besides zen, an authentic non-religious spirituality can be found here
http://www.dhamma.org/
and here
http://www.guillaumeerard.com/aikido/interviews/interview-with-christian-tissier-shihan-7th-dan-aikikai
capital is really the materialization of ego; this is inescapably obvious in its current manifestation as the society of the spectacle
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | May 14 2014 12:36 utc | 89

Puppet masters: U.S. Hopes Boom in Natural Gas Can Curb Putin

At the helm of the new energy diplomacy effort is Carlos Pascual, a former American ambassador to Ukraine, who leads the State Department’s Bureau of Energy Resources. The 85-person bureau was created in late 2011 by Hillary Rodham Clinton, the secretary of state at the time, for the purpose of channeling the domestic energy boom into a geopolitical tool to advance American interests around the world.

Posted by: ProPeace | May 14 2014 12:53 utc | 90

Using energy as a tool to advance geopolitical interests around the world? But that’s almost word for word what Arsenyuk is accusing Putin of doing!

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 13:04 utc | 91

Carpetbagging update:
http://brontecapital.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/fraudulent-hedge-fund-associated-with.html

Posted by: TOwen | May 14 2014 13:31 utc | 92

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
#Kiev will host #OSCE talks aimed at defusing the violence in the country. #Donetsk & #Lugansk regions representatives were not invited.

Posted by: brian | May 14 2014 13:49 utc | 93

#Kiev will host #OSCE talks aimed at defusing the violence in the country. #Donetsk & #Lugansk regions representatives were not invited.

Defusing of violence probably will come in the form of sending even more Nazional guards, and OSCE will call for South-eastern people to disarm, and not to resists while getting killed or burned down alive. /sarcasm off (ironically it could happen)
Considering how much Kiev and their masters are hell bent on starting Civil war, with local resistances actually fighting back (like nice ambush few days ago), I only expect situation to escalate further.

Posted by: Harry | May 14 2014 14:09 utc | 94

No, I haven’t been banned as of yet. I heeded b’s call to take a break. In that time, I decided that it was probably best for me to deal with the terrible insecurities that I have as a human being – gotta love the psychoanalysis here, no really does Psych 101 still count towards graduation? – so I decided to read the following – recently published in GG’s book – immortal words of my beloved hero Edward Snowden:

“I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end. I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon, and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed for even an instant. If you seek to help, join the open source community and fight to keep the spirit of the press alive and the internet free. I have been to the darkest corners of government, and what they fear is light.
Edward Joseph Snowden, SSN: *****
CIA Alias “***** ”
Agency Identification Number: *****
Former Senior Advisor | United States National Security Agency, under corporate cover
Former Field Officer | United States Central Intelligence Agency, under diplomatic cover
Former Lecturer | United States Defense Intelligence Agency, under corporate cover”

Calmed, I said to myself:
If there is a man who dost speaketh such honeyed phrases of liberty let his freedom-song resound to the furthest aerie reaches of evil’s haunts, nay, let his patriot-paean to everlasting valor and eterne bravery croon across centuries touching the velvet ear of babes unborn who gaze into the ebon darkness of their inception and plaintively wonder, will another hero rise? will one take this tiny hand atremble and guide me through the lapping fires of captivity, into the womb of righteousness to be suckled on the teats of purity and grace?
Feeling more myself I then wondered:
Why come this is the first time I remember reading about Snowden working for the DIA and why come his cv seems a little bit more “grandiose” now that GG’s book is being published?
Anyways, there are many things to continue to bring up about this entire Snowden psyop such as 1) their incessant need to protect war criminal CIA agents even thought they’ve been to the “dark corners of US intel ” (kneeslap) 2) their utilization of war criminal propaganda outfits from the beginning such as the WaPo and the Guardian 3) their insistence that making friends with billionaires that fund fascist coups is AOK 4) that delaying the release of secrets that supposedly are SUPER important is ok if it means making a quick buck or padding one’s celebrity status and 5) that none of the psyop actors even address how these “revelations” lead to questions such as 1) don’t these revelations have a chilling effect on the utilization of electronic communication among organizers/activists and 2) if the NSA is so omnipotent right now – chuckle – shouldn’t you Snowden/GG et al be telling activists and organizers to get OFFLINE and OFF their devices until the US Congress/POTUS – hold your laughter – rein in said intelligence agencies?
Anyways, gotta run and take my tranqs.

Posted by: JSorrentine | May 14 2014 14:18 utc | 95

Not sure if this had been refered to already, on Ukrainian expats in the US
http://www.ukrainiandiaspora.ca/opinion/when-you-slow-dance-with-the-devil-you-can-t-see-his-face.html
JSorr, Good to see you in good spirits! Just ignore local paternalism, it’s no less of a disease.

Posted by: Mina | May 14 2014 15:43 utc | 96

Snowden is too young (29 years 11 months), and too stupid, to have been all those things. He’s just throwing dust in your eyes.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | May 14 2014 16:01 utc | 97

I think JS is sitting on some shocking revelations about the NSA. Any day now he will let it out.

Posted by: dh | May 14 2014 16:03 utc | 98

Categorical imperative for anti-fascists
posted by Borotba Odessa witness . . .

Posted by: anonymous | May 14 2014 16:06 utc | 99

VP Biden needs to visit the Kremlin, look at the territory of Burisma’s oil fields.

Posted by: Oui | May 14 2014 17:06 utc | 100