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April 14, 2014
Ukraine: Update And Don’t Forget The Religious Side

In ten cities in the Donbas region (mostly Donetsk oblast) in Ukraine the important administrative buildings are now in the hands of pro-federalization activists.

A second ultimatum from Kiev against the activists has passed and nothing happened. It had been issued after CIA director Brennan visisted Kiev and relayed Obama's orders. This morning the coup-government in Kiev (again) replaced the head of the anti-terror police without giving any reason. We can assume that he did not want or could follow orders to clear the east of Ukraine of protesters. The Defense Minister said that several military units going east were held up by villagers along the roads. Some videos showed artillery and Katusha missile units allegedly moving east. I doubt that those would be used against protesters. One needs infantry to clear those out but I find it unlikely that Kiev will find any regular unit willing to do so.

The coup president became the joke of the day when he asked the UN to join with "peacekeepers" to clear the "terrorists" in eastern Ukrainian cities.

Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov on Monday called for the deployment of United Nations peacekeeping troops in the east of the country, where pro-Russian insurgents have occupied buildings in nearly 10 cities.

In a telephone conversation with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon, Turchynov suggested that an "anti-terrorist operation" could be conducted jointly by Ukrainian security forces and UN peacekeepers, according to the presidential web site.

The UN Security Council would have agree to such and Russia (and China) would only agree if Russian troops would get the mandate to do so. They also have the advantage of being able to start the job with just a few hours notice :-).

While the media have said a lot about Russian speaking versus Ukrainian speaking people missing in those reports is another important distinction between east and west Ukraine. The east and south is mostly Russian orthodox while the west Ukraine is catholic. During the recent days several orthodox priests could be seen mingling with the protesters in the east. The difference may not look important for people who have grown up in mostly secular "western" societies. But there are important differences in believes and the ethos of those two churches. Orthodox believe seem stronger and more intense then today's catholicism.

This week, between palm Sunday and Easter Sunday, is the holy week for the orthodox believers. Easter is their highest holiday of the year. Any attack on the east during this week would be seen as an offense against a holy realm and answered with more spirit than usually. Not only from Ukrainians but also from Russians. The miners and steelworkers in the Donbas have yet to come out in great numbers against the Kiev coup government. Any attack now would probably see them react in force. It would likely mean the end for the coup plotters in Kiev.

Comments

Posted by: chris m | Apr 15, 2014 8:12:32 AM | 100
Ukraine National Bank has raised interest rates …

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15 2014 12:16 utc | 101

Posted by: Zico | Apr 15, 2014 8:02:27 AM | 98
They have said this for over a week now. I don’t think they want to. The US might try to force them.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15 2014 12:20 utc | 102

Posted by: brian | Apr 15, 2014 5:08:24 AM | 82
Brian, the Sunnis are definitely targeting the Shiites of Syria. The Allawites are a Shi’a sect, and Iran’s religious leaders have recognized this for awhile now.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 15 2014 12:30 utc | 103

quite a good article on BRICS and the US manufactured Ukraine crisis
http://thebricspost.com/brics-looks-to-russia-in-anticipation/#.U00jhL8ayc1
NOTE: this crisis only persists due to EU support for US regime

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 12:31 utc | 104

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 15, 2014 8:30:26 AM | 103
thats not whats happening,..the sunnis IN syria are NOT targeting shia in syria.
Foreign sunnis are..and even there the mix of jihadis is those who are fundamentalists bent on religious purifcation and those lied to that Assad is killing muslims.
dont be fooled

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 12:35 utc | 105

Retweeted Russian Market (@russian_market):
Russia stops returning weapons to Ukrainian army from Crimea due to the risk they could use it against pro-Russian activists in E.Ukraine

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 12:36 utc | 106

The spin about the UN human rights reports gets serious – this is Reuters – they seem to have read a different report

It was “widely assessed” that Russian speakers had not been subject to threats, the report said.

This is the statement of the report.

In the context of the recent protests in Kiev and elsewhere, I am deeply concerned about alleged gross human rights violations, including excessive use of force and extra-judicial killings, torture, disappearances and arbitrary arrests and detentions. The actions of snipers on the Maidan are of particularly grave concern and need to be fully investigated. More than 100 people, mostly protesters , but also some members of the security forces have also lost their lives and many more were injured. I visited protest-related victims in hospital. I also spoke to physicians who helped victims in makeshift hospitals, including the current Minister of Health, Mr. Oleh Musiy and Ms. Olga Bogomolets. All of them confirmed that sniper killings of protesters were undertaken in an execution -style aiming for heads and chests.
The perpetrators of these and other human rights violations against all victims must be promptly brought to justice, whatever their background, status or affiliation, following independent, impartial and thorough investigations.
There has been an increase in instances of intolerance and incitement to hatred as well as violence throughout Ukraine. This has been particularly the case between ethnic Ukrainians and Russians, as well as pro-Maidan and anti-Maidan groups. I believe that these incidents further increased after the recent developments in Crimea.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15 2014 12:40 utc | 107

@NinaByzantina: Today’s #AdorablePutin: is YOUR leader a horse whisperer? I thought so. 😉
#Putin #Russia pic.twitter.com/i1MYxPniJE

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 12:41 utc | 108

Truth about situation in Ukraine
Today at 10:10pm · Edited
Chronicle of the “anti-terrorist operation” of fascist junta in east of Ukraine
Yesterday, April 14th, between 6.30 and 7.00 pm in the street Artem of the town Dimitrov, towards the city Krasnoarmeysk, Donetsk republic, moved two tanks.
In the area called “shinomontazhka” drivers stopped tanks, indignant that tanks “presses the asphalt.”
After 15 minutes of wrangling, the tanks left the city, leaving visible marks on the pavement.
The town management decided to record the fact that damage to the asphalt pavement subsequent appeal to the courts.
Source
http://orbita.dn.ua/zhiteli-dimitrova-ostanovili-tanki-potomu-chto-te-portili-asfalt-video.html
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlcmVT86YlU

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 12:42 utc | 109

somebody
If you actually read the report you will see that Russia wont support this report.
For example the say that attacks against pro-russians are not a big problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2014 12:48 utc | 110

Local activists , on the road, 60 km from Mariupol videotaped column of army equipment from 50 units. Among them were 9 cars with Grad rocket launchers . Grad rocket launcher in one salvo can destroy everything in the area of 40 hectares.
Using army against civilians is a war crime.
Puppets of the fascist junta went for it by order of their masters from the U.S..
I want to remind you that the occupation regime in Libya since the end of October 2011 shelling and bombing the Libyan people using the same Grad rocket launchers and aircraft. Against the civilian population they even used chemical weapons : mustard gas and sarin . Western media and international organizations pretend that these crimes are not happening, they are silent on this subject , as well as about mass tortures and executions of dissatisfied by occupation regime in Libya.
In the picture below were marked 2 “Grads”
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3f5DZ9cb78&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 12:59 utc | 111

Somebody as whoever calls him or herself is being obtuse again. My point has nothing to do with whether this man has said nice things about Russia or nice things about the Kiev nazis. My point is that he is just a cog in a large imperialist machine with no perceptible saving graces.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 15 2014 13:04 utc | 112

brian
When it comes to Grad rockets.
They might plan for war with Russia. maybe a Georgia 2008 re run?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2014 13:04 utc | 113

Good intentions by U.S. and EU ending badly in Ukraine: Gwyn
Russian President Vladimir Putin hasn’t blinked at U.S. and EU sanctions and Ukraine threatens to sink into the same morass as Syria.

Ukraine’s new government is as much to blame. Foolishly, one of its first acts was to scrap the law that made Russian an official language, even though that’s the language of many of its citizens. And it has yet to address the only solution that might work — decentralizing the country to make it a sort of rough version of bilingual, federal Canada.
But the real fault lies elsewhere. It can be found instead far from the front line, back in Washington and in Brussels, the capital of the European Union.
Ominously, the nature of that fault is much the same as the one that has produced in Syria a brutal civil war that now goes on seemingly endlessly and ever more bloodily.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/04/14/good_intentions_by_us_and_eu_ending_badly_in_ukraine_gwyn.html

Posted by: virgile | Apr 15 2014 13:07 utc | 114

I’m afraid the the US and Germany want a ‘real’ war.
I read a quote from Khruschev today

We have seen how quickly governments in Germany can change and how easy it is for Germany to become an instrument of mass murder. It is hard for us even to count the number of our people who were killed by Germany in the last war . . . We have a saying here:

“Give a German a gun; sooner or later he will point it at Russians.”

This is not just my feeling. I don’t think there’s anything the Russian people feel more strongly about than the question of the rearmament of Germany. … On the matter of Germany our people have very strong ideas.

It all looks pretty bleak to me. Didn’t notice a link to Mike Whitney above.

Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 15 2014 13:09 utc | 115

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15, 2014 6:40:23 AM | 90
and who are u…pavlovs dog?

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 13:15 utc | 116

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15, 2014 8:48:01 AM | 110
Can you link to the report where you found that? Because what I found on the UN website does not say that at all. It says

There has been an increase in instances of intolerance and incitement to hatred as well as violence throughout Ukraine. This has been particularly the case between ethnic Ukrainians and Russians, as well as pro-Maidan and anti-Maidan groups. I believe that these incidents further increased after the recent developments in Crimea.

It does not matter if Russia supports this report – it matters if Europe (and the US) force an independent investigation of the Maidan snipers on the “Kyiv government” and force them to respect human rights against their nationalist programme.It also matters if Europe (and the US) tells the “Kyiv government” to stop the ethnic nationalism – which is the basis of their party programmes – and which is also in the report.
What does it tell you when Western media cannot report accurately on the findings of a UN Human Rights report?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15 2014 13:23 utc | 117

sending a message to Hague Worthinger ‏@SussexPartridge 26m
@WilliamJHague @foreignoffice @NinaByzantina Right Sector FB ad: “The only right way to negotiate w separatists” pic.twitter.com/e41ijrc0GY

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 13:40 utc | 118

ok I found the link to the full report – it does not make the Reuters summary any better

“It is critical for the Government to prioritise respect for diversity, inclusivity and equal participation of all – including minorities – in political life,” said UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay.
“Facts on the ground need to be established to help reduce the risk of radically different narratives being exploited for political ends. People need a reliable point of view to counter what has been widespread misinformation and also speech that aims to incite hatred on national, religious or racial grounds,” she added.

I think the strategy of “the West” just bit its tail
– either they back the “Kyiv government” which has a regional ethnic national agenda, which will end in the split of Ukraine
– or they back a united, enlightened, “European” inclusive state, where they do not have the Ukrainian politicians for.
Something has got to give.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 15 2014 13:44 utc | 119

somehow this didn’t make it into the “news” in the West:
February 18, 2014. Forcible takeover by Pravyi Sektor militants of the Party of Regions headquarters building in Kyiv. Two men were brutally murdered. One, who was locked himself in the basement, was hit by a “Molotov cocktail”, from which he died of suffocation and burns. The other’s head was smashed in and he was thrown down a flight of stairs. Female occupants of the building were stripped half-naked, their backs were painted with symbols and slogans, and they were kicked out into the street in such a state. Party of Regions D.Svyatash was severely beaten by Verkhovna Rada.

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Apr 15 2014 13:52 utc | 120

Russian Market ‏@russian_market 31m
#Ukrainian forces storming the airport in Kramatorsk, the military jet failed to land and opened fire on protesters – reports
Retweeted by Mark Sleboda
Russian Market ‏@russian_market 28m
Ukrainian army uses the fighter SU-27 against protesters in Kramatorsk – Live radio feed http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bg-studio1 … pic.twitter.com/ADfMG8wY4E

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 13:58 utc | 121

john francis lee
Bad indeed, it seems after CIA was in Ukraine they not only started a war against the people but perhaps against Russia too.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 15 2014 14:02 utc | 122

Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi · 6h
‘Who U’re gonna shoot w/ this? Are U out of ur f*ing mind?’
Locals take over Ukrainian tank in Eastern Ukraine. Wow
http://youtu.be/5Eew9bGi8KA

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 14:08 utc | 123

Video of Barricades in Slavyansk
http://youtu.be/1TqpuWiXDq4

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 14:26 utc | 124

Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 13m
@IndependentKrym @StateOfUkraine Russia has no other choice now. They have t o send in troops to stop this slaugther.
Crimea&East ‏@IndependentKrym 10m
@obk @jmsardo they fight back Russia by killing ukranians, makes sense!
Retweeted by Crimea&East
Ukraine Reporter ‏@StateOfUkraine 20m
#Kramatorsk: mobile communications has been disabled, anti-terrorist operation started.
Crimea&East ‏@IndependentKrym 13m
@StateOfUkraine the terrorists are your KievJunta government. they are the ones bringing death to teha southeast. noone else

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 14:28 utc | 125

Russian Spring ‏@diablo3xnews 8m
@grasswire reports there is multiple deaths and injured people in #Краматорск #Kramatorsk if its true it is grave crime in #Ukraine history
Russian Spring ‏@diablo3xnews 26m
@Zhirinovskiy Whoever said Go to attack people with army by force in #Славянск #Краматорск will be held responsible in the Int. Crime Court
Russian Spring ‏@diablo3xnews 37m
Update: #SOS Ukrainian military storms #Slavyansk #Славянск #Краматорск #Kramatorsk #Ukraine towns CLOSED, situation unknown & critical

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 14:36 utc | 126

Russian Market ‏@russian_market 2m
Mobile networks down in Kramatorsk
the better to conduct a slaughter

Posted by: brian | Apr 15 2014 14:38 utc | 127

CNH @ 13: Interesting theory in your ” call the bluff” link. Thanks for the input. Hopefully, the linkup between Oligarchs world wide, postulated on in your link, hasn’t yet happened. Time will tell. I for one, would still like to believe there’s a ruler somewhere, who really cares about the welfare of his\her workers. A naive dream? Maybe. Putin? We’ll see. The BRICK alliance? Again, we’ll see.

Posted by: ben | Apr 15 2014 14:55 utc | 128

A detail.
As for the Kiev. unelected gvmt. in Ukr. ‘banning Russian’, mentioned several times in this thread, this is not what happened.
The ‘coup’ Gvmt. repealed a law granting ‘minority language status’ or more precisely in their terms ‘regional language status’ to Russian and any other language, spoken by over 10% in x or y admin district .. i.e. yes, blatantly against Russian, not German or French which Yats says he wants to encourage. The dialects are many but don’t reach the 10% mark so are dismissed.
But that decision was quickly overturned, annulled. (Probably under pressure from the Masters.) One brief article:
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/199537.html
(this is what went down even if interfax and Yulia may be seen as not trustworthy.)
US citizens and English speakers generally are so used to English being de facto dominant they don’t ‘get’ these language quarrels and their roots. Look at Flanders, Catalonia. Of course in Ukraine language is and has become a sticking point similar to religion (shia, sunni) in other places.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 15 2014 16:57 utc | 129

Noirette 129 That link does not describe annulling that law. In fact the rump parliament passed the law and has not reversed that vote. It has not gone into effect because the president did not sign it. That is according the rules that the coup government if following, whatever those might be.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 15 2014 19:12 utc | 130

Another part of the story blacked out in the West. The junta straight out banning of Russian-language television, that now being remedied by the local citizens:

14:19
Some providers in eastern Ukraine resume broadcasting Russian channels
A number of providers in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine have resumed broadcasting Russian TV channels, despite a ban imposed by a Kiev court, Interfax reported. In the Donetsk Region, 12 out of 118 providers resumed broadcasting, and 40 out of 57 providers reportedly did the same in the Lugansk Region. The ban was imposed on March 25.

http://rt.com/news/line/2014-04-15/#59340

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 15 2014 20:11 utc | 131

Here’s someone absolute shredding mr Simonovic & his report:
http://orientalreview.org/2014/04/15/the-un-as-a-propaganda-nest-for-the-nato-information-vulture/

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 16 2014 9:21 utc | 132