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April 20, 2014

Ukraine: The Bloody Eastern Escalation

Graham Phillips is a British freelance journalist living in Ukraine. These are tweets by him during the last three hours. The last one just 15 minutes ago.

This is very bad news. The OSCE had reported that Pravyi Sektor paramilitaries were moving to the eastern Donbass region. It looks like they have arrived.

It seems the U.S. neocons found out that they can not have the Ukraine and are responding like they always do. "Can't have it? Will destroy it!"

This is likely the beginning of an intense civil war in Ukraine. One that is sure to draw external powers into it. Let us not forget who started this. The EU made an "offer" to Yanukovich which could not accept without destroying the Ukrainian economy, especially the eastern industries. When he rejected the "offer" a "color revolution" was instigated in Kiev and the democratically elected Yanukovich was removed by force. The new coup government, a mixture of oligarchs and western Ukrainian fascists, wants to suppress the Russian affine eastern Ukraine. The east responded by calling for greater regional autonomy.

It seems it will now have to fight for such.

Easter is the highest holiday in the Orthodox believe prevalent in eastern Ukraine. Today's killings will therefore reverb deeply in the soul of the people living there. Some people will surely feel the need to "actively" respond to this incident which again guarantees even further escalation. Do not expect any "western" politician to step back from this and to call on the coup government in Kiev to calm things down. We will rather likely see more bellicosity towards Russia and the people it supports.

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same plate: the SUV before the shooting & the SUV after the shooting. should be easy to find out who it belongs to? pic.twitter.com/VueZnLbXkb

Posted by: brian | Apr 21 2014 1:47 utc | 101

http://lifenews.ru/news/131683 Лидер "женской сотни" Майдана Ирма Крат задержана в Славянске

"Leader of the Maidana "hundreds of women" Irma Krat has been delayed[detained] in Slovyansk"

"According to proponents of federalization in Slovyansk Irma Krat, the fervent activist of Evromaydana was detained.

- She is accused of torturing and shooting soldiers antimaydanovtsev "Berkut", - said the people's militia activist Paul."

Scratch one western NGO agent provocateur.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 21 2014 1:48 utc | 102

@100 Obviously bused in by Putin.

Posted by: dh | Apr 21 2014 1:55 utc | 103

@ 71 @ 73 The Range Rover is pretty well burnt right out . . . .Yet the plates don't appear damaged at all ?? Hmmmm

Also re DDoS Here in New Zealand Moon of Alabama has been loading without ANY trouble at all. Make of that what you will.

Posted by: DonNeedNoSUserName | Apr 21 2014 2:24 utc | 104

@104 - yes, that is a bit of a mystery as well.. hard to know if someone wants to frame someone, or what with that..

Posted by: james | Apr 21 2014 2:28 utc | 105

@brian #100:

It is just a very few people! Forbes Magazine figured out that it is the same people going around the block over and over!

Posted by: Demian | Apr 21 2014 2:31 utc | 106

@106 Can anybody make out what they are shouting? It sounds like "Where are our cookies!!"

Posted by: dh | Apr 21 2014 2:55 utc | 107

OT: I despise David Cameron, but there are a lot of stupid PC multicultural "opinion leaders" in the UK, apparently:

David Cameron risks 'alienation', public figures claim

Writers, academics and scientists - including authors Sir Terry Pratchett and Philip Pullman - make the claim in a letter to the Daily Telegraph.

It follows Mr Cameron's assertion that Britain should be "more confident about our status as a Christian country".

A Downing Street spokeswoman said: "The UK is a Christian country and should not be afraid to say so." […]

[The protest letter said:] "[W]e object to his characterisation of Britain as a 'Christian country' and the negative consequences for politics and society that this engenders.

"Apart from in the narrow constitutional sense that we continue to have an established Church, Britain is not a 'Christian country'."

They said Britain was a "plural society" that was largely "non-religious".

These people are crazy. Sure, Britain has become much more secular since the 1960s, but that doesn't undo its history. And from an American point of view at least, having an established church is a big deal. Also, these "public figures" should be grateful that Cameron wasn't more precise, and called Britain a Protestast country, which it most certainly is (like the US, btw).

It is stupidity like this that makes Eurasionists feel sorry for the West (so, not completely off-topic).

Posted by: Demian | Apr 21 2014 3:21 utc | 108

@100 brian

Interesting video, especially the flags carried by the demonstrators. There were quite a few RF tricolor flags, of course, even an Israeli flag, plus a Ukrainian(!) flag with the words РОСІЯ ЗАХИСТИ written on it. Even more interesting to me was that the dominant flag in the demonstration was the hammer and sickle on a red field. I bet that has the neocons in Washington shitting bricks.

Posted by: shargash | Apr 21 2014 3:34 utc | 109

@shargash # 109:

the dominant flag in the demonstration was the hammer and sickle on a red field. I bet that has the neocons in Washington shitting bricks.

I don't think that will scare the neocons. Remember, most of them were originally Trotskyites before they became neocons. A modern Russia that knows its place in the world and in history scares them much more than the Soviet Union ever did. Unlike the USSR (and the USA, for that matter), contemporary Russia is not based on a false ideology.

I know that that last remark will offend many here at MoA, but I think that we Slavophile Hegelians can get along with our Marxist friends. :-)

Posted by: Demian | Apr 21 2014 3:47 utc | 110

@110 Demian

Fear wasn't so much what I was thinking of -- more like fury.

I did find it interesting that Soviet-themed flags outnumbered the Russian tricolor.

Posted by: shargash | Apr 21 2014 3:56 utc | 111

@shargash #111:

Yes, it is interesting and I hadn't noticed it, but those people are Ukrainians, and the country to which they belonged until twenty years ago was the USSR, not Russia. So I don't think that there is much ideological significance to someone under forty, say, carrying a Soviet themed flag. It's just that the USSR was a state that functioned, whereas an independent Ukraine never functioned.

But this is all just guesswork on my part. I don't really know anything about the sense of identity of non-western-nationalist Ukrainians.

Perhaps carrying a Soviet-themed flag is just a message that the Ukrainian experiment has failed and a condemnation of the fascist Kiev putsch regime. It is a way of sending that message without taking a stand on which of the three possible options to choose: belonging to a Ukrainian federated state, belonging to a new, independent country (Novorossya), or rejoining Russia as the Crimea did.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 21 2014 4:09 utc | 112

Ambitious! ("I want to shoot Putin in the head", "Stop Russia with nukes") dreaming of mass annihilation, but also a nutjob demagogue that lost her touch with reality.
"Ukraine is the spiritual center of Europe, it soon will gather leading intellectuals of the world to create a new model of society. Ukraine will be a platform to create an updated image of mankind, more just and freer than at any time in history. In the not-too-distant future, all European peoples who are unhappy with something in their own country will learn from the Ukrainian experience of creating effective social and political systems. Here in Ukraine, a new civilization will be started that will lead all the peoples of the world. Immediately after the presidential election, the rebirth of national education will start, which will create a new human being within ten years who will be physically unable to tolerate corruption and injustice."
- Julia Tymoshenko
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=720016574715941&set=a.152594224791515.42880.100001228142520&type=1&theater

Posted by: brian | Apr 21 2014 4:16 utc | 113

@112 Demian

Two other things I noticed in the demonstration. First, it was not a particularly young crowd. I specifically made note that many of the demonstrators were old enough to have actually lived in the USSR. Second was that a common chant was Ross-y-a (different parts of the column were chanting different things), not to mention the Ukrainian flag with "Russia Protects" written on it.

So, there were some mixed messages there. Or maybe many of the demonstrators associate the USSR with the Russian Federation. I don't know anything about their sense of identity either, but it wouldn't surprise me. The Western world, en masse, associates the USSR with the Russian Federation, so why not Novorossyans?

Posted by: shargash | Apr 21 2014 4:23 utc | 114

@brian #113:

which will create a new human being

Now what does that remind you of? I have always said that Ukrainian nationalists never stopped being Sovdeps (for others: a derogatory term meaning a person with a primitive Soviet mentality; couldn't find anything about it on the Web).

Posted by: Demian | Apr 21 2014 4:25 utc | 115

Blaming soviet ideology for fascist imagery like "new human being" is perverse, with or without gutter jargon like "sovdep". YI started coming here a mere 3 months or so ago, looking for accurate reporting on the east. But now all I see is pointless rumours, nonsensical pseuda-analysis of nothing and everything, and sentimental, meaningless religious garbage. I haven't seen anything useful on here in the last week, whatsoever.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 21 2014 4:49 utc | 116

Posted by: Tea | Apr 20, 2014 5:45:58 PM | 74

The Russian parliamentarian is given a lot of chance to say what he thinks of Armanpour arguments - an interviewer is supposed to challenged what an interviewee is saying (I know, it does not get done with high ranking officials in any country and not with politically friendly figures). But she lets the Russian parliamentarian say all he wants to say on the subject and he gets the last word.

What you say is obviously true, the "Kiev government" has labelled their South Eastern opposition as "terrorist" and tries to send any loyal military formation they might have or get against them.

And it is obvious, though they pretend, that they do not fight for the unity and independence of Ukraine.

But Armanpour/CNN evidently want to introduce the public to the Russian thinking of the situatin.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21 2014 4:54 utc | 117

No, I misphrased that. Stalin used the "new human being" terminology too, obviously. But ask yourself who used it first. It was of course the Nazis, from the early 1920s onwards. Stalin gradually slithered into using the same jargon in the 1930s. So what I should have said was, "Blaming soviet ideology for Timoshenko's fascist ranting is perverse," etc.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 21 2014 4:56 utc | 118

@Rowan Berkeley #116:

Blaming soviet ideology for fascist imagery like "new human being" is perverse, with or without gutter jargon like "sovdep". […] I haven't seen anything useful on here in the last week, whatsoever.

Then go away and stay away, you ignorant pompous fool.

New Soviet man

The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек […]), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 21 2014 5:03 utc | 119

Shameless propaganda in the NYT

Once the USG makes a claim, Michael Gordon is quick to scribble it down and print it. And to top it off they have the audacity to quote John Freaking Schindler!

Posted by: ess emm | Apr 21 2014 5:11 utc | 120

Posted by: ess emm | Apr 21, 2014 1:11:29 AM | 120

That is interesting, feels like the Russians are about to come out with proof of CIA involvement :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21 2014 5:18 utc | 121

Posted by: bevin | Apr 20, 2014 5:55:04 PM | 76 and later Demian

About Radoslaw Sikorski and Anne Applebaum …

A Dispatch: Irish Traveler from Lviv via Kiev to Odessa

It’s certainly true that the Polish Foreign Minister, Radoslaw Sikorski (a long-time British resident, married to a former editor at the Russia-bating Economist magazine, Anne Applebaum, has been vocally supportive of Euromaidan and that a number of Ukrainian’s who had been resident in Poland suddenly returned home to take prominent roles in the movement.

continued …

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2014 6:06 utc | 122

New Atlantic Initiative Founded by Neocons

The project's six patron luminaries were: Václav Havel, Margaret Thatcher, Helmut Schmidt, Leszek Balcerowicz, Henry Kissinger, and George Schultz. Its executive director was Radek Sikorski [Yes, now Foreign Minister of Poland and leading voice to get Ukraine into NATO's sphere of influence, married to Anne Applebaum], a Polish politician and former AEI fellow. The international advisory board, chaired by Kissinger, included a number of prominent neoconservative figures as well as European officials. Bruce Jackson of the Project on Transitional Democracies and the now-defunct U.S. Committee on NATO, was a founding member. The patrons shared a concern that "Europe's desire for self-reliance mixes dangerously with the motives of those who wish the new Europe to emerge as a counterweight and strategic rival to the United States."

continued …

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2014 6:18 utc | 123

NATO Amb. Ivo Daalder at Atlantic Council

Even as the crisis in Ukraine continues to defy easy resolution, President Obama and his national security team are looking beyond the immediate conflict to forge a new long-term approach to Russia that applies an updated version of the Cold War strategy of containment. Just as the United States resolved in the aftermath of World War II to counter the Soviet Union and its global ambitions, Mr. Obama is focused on isolating President Vladimir V. Putin's Russia by cutting off its economic and political ties to the outside world, limiting its expansionist ambitions in its own neighborhood and effectively making it a pariah state.

... "That is the strategy we ought to be pursuing," said Ivo H. Daalder, formerly Mr. Obama's ambassador to NATO and now president of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. "If you just stand there, be confident and raise the cost gradually and increasingly to Russia, that doesn't solve your Crimea problem and it probably doesn't solve your eastern Ukraine problem. But it may solve your Russia problem."

Read on, at the Atlantic Council you will also meet our "Fuck the EU" Victoria Nuland.

continued …

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2014 6:29 utc | 124

According to "believe nothing until it has been officially denied" this is true now

Radosław Sikorski @sikorskiradek · Apr 21

Text in April Fools edition of satirical magazine 'proof' of Poland's training UKR militants. a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/polands-role-in-destabilizing-ukraine-polish-military-trained-neo-nazi-militants-for-euromaidan-protests/5378129">http://shar.es/Th82y Who funds this drivel?

And for anybody believing the official Western whitewash that Right Sector is just another presidential contender going on an election tour in Ukraine's East - this here is Dmitry Yarosh calling for civil war on YouTube.

In the war time, governments should not be criticized. That is right. But it is also important to remember that in the war time, traitors are executed.

All of the Ukrainian society now must show the greatest unanimity.

Panic, pacifism, hysteria about avoiding provocations, and the need to finding peaceful solution to the situation plays only into the hands of our enemies.

Say Yes to national unity, say Yes to readiness of the decisive resistance to the invaders.

Say No to pacifism and capitulation.

Citizens, organize self-defense units, connect with the Right Sector representatives in the regions and join our forces. Together we will suppress anti-Ukrainian insurgency and renew territorial integrity of our motherland.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 1:55 utc | 125

Nice to see you again, somebody!

Thierry Meyssan has also written about this. But now he has issued a kind of retraction:

This article is based on information obtained by the Polish opposition. I erroneously cited as my source the satirical weekly Nie, which published a pastiche mixing truths and non-truths. The data it provides needs to be verified. In any case, the matter concerning the training of Pravy Sector members has in the meantime been brought before the Attorney General of Poland. Thierry Meyssan, April 22, 2014.

At his informal press conference about the Crimea, Putin mentioned that the Maidan protestors using paramilitary tactics had been trained in Poland and Lithuania, and there is no reason to doubt that he had intelligence to that effect.

German Wikipedia has a brief article on Nie. Sikorski is married to a neocon Washington Post columnist, by the way, and is slated to succeed Catherine Ashton as EU foreign affairs chief (according to a comment at the Saker).

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 3:30 utc | 126

@88 "9/11 Truth" is a horrible and destructive distraction. See "The Real 9/11 Conspiracy: Traitorous 9/11 Commissioners Served Israel Agenda": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzYM9ZnWsnk

BTW, here is Philip Zelikow, the 9/11 Commission Exec. Director, testifying at the 9/11 Commission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHely2_KkC4&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dRtvvzX47VwYbu6X-cQuvMM
And as far as I can see, I am the only one who uploaded a video featuring his testimony. Please don't make a copy of the video I took the time to make, just share the link to it or embed it. And do you know what the kicker is? It isn't enough that there has been a systemic suppression of the main motive for the 9/11 attack, someone at Youtube has deemed videos talking about the main motive for 9/11 to be too sensitive for monitization. Yes, YouTube is saying that if you make a video quoting the 9/11 Commission Exec. Director quoting the mastermind of the 9/11 attack stating that 9/11 was to punish the U.S. for supporting Israel, then YouTube thinks that is "too sensitive" and won't let you make money from reporting that basic fact. The idea of advertiser funded journalism is that reporters are to get compensated for their efforts by sharing some of the revenue generated from adds. Clearly the policy of not allowing ads to appear on video with the key words "9/11" and "Israel" is a direct attack on journalism.
ALso, you can look at the staff statements prepared for the 9/11 Report and the compare them the the 9/11 Report and see several mentions of Israel were omitted: http://youtu.be/UHFhACaej4Q?t=2m2s
THAT'S what "9/11 Truth" is misdirecting the public away from!
ANd as I said, the agenda of undermining efforts to get the facts out about the main motive for the 9/11 attacks has help from an outrageous policy YouTube has imposed regarded which video topics are deemed "too sensitive" to allow advertising to fund.

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Apr 23 2014 6:08 utc | 127

Posted by: Demian | Apr 22, 2014 11:30:00 PM | 126

Thierry Meysan is completely untrustworthy. As is globalresearch.ca. As is Debkha.

The whole thing would not be worth commenting on if Sikorski had not given this denial. A Foreign Minstier usually does not deny a satirical magazine, even chosing satire himself.

Satire is a way to say controversial things with having the escape to say it is just a joke. It is very political. Like Jon Stewart putting emphasis on the part of the speech where Obama says his responsibility is to prevent a nuclear weapon exploding in Manhattan. Which somehow did not make it into the media before.

This here is the owner of Nie.

Poland has no functioning opposition.

This information - entering the English language with dubious sources - would not travel far. Sikorski helped it along. Why?

US policy - McCain and now Biden - shaking hands with Oleh_Tjahnybok is obvious. Oleh_Tjahnybok would be outlawed by any EU country and by the US. Polls suggest their traction is minimal.

How come US politicians feel they have to give them this kind of red carpet - that would finish their career if done in the United States.

Of course, by the green table planners of the Pentagon/the CIA, Poland was supposed to be Turkey. They just forgot quite a lot of history.

I think to summarize Sikorski as neo conservative is not all there is. I would guess he is a Polish nationalist. He has quite a history denying jokes.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 6:40 utc | 128

@somebody #128:

I didn't say that Sikorski is a neocon. I said that he is married to one. I have no reason to doubt that he is a Polish nationalist, like Brzezinski. Both Polish nationalists and neocons hate Germany and Russia, so they are in many ways the same thing, although different (haha, had to slip in that Hegelian trope for your enjoyment).

I think you have understood the situation perfectly with regard to this story, something I had not: the only way such revelations can be made in Poland is through satire.

I do not understand your question: "This information […] would not travel far. Sikorski helped it along. Why?" Is that a serious question? I can turn this into a Polish joke. (We have talked about them before: you made clear that Germans do not tell Polish jokes anymore. But we know from Sikorski's going after Ted Turner for making a Polish joke (which was "distasteful", according to Wikipedia) that Americans still make Polish jokes.) Maybe Sikorski helped this story along because he is Polish, and hence not very bright? (One of my favorite features from the old American satirical magazine Mad, which was directed at boys, was the Stupid Aptitude Test. One of the sections of the test asks you to complete a sentence with one of the choices given. One such question begins a sentence with "Surveying the sprawling wreckage of what remained of the passenger train, it was immediately apparent…" and gives as one of the choices of how to end it "that the break man was Polish.")

I am intrigued by your point that "Poland has no functioning opposition", but the link doesn't work. Could you give the url, please?

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 7:30 utc | 129

Plus 128) This is how some Israelis feel about US policy in Ukraine - the writer uses irony, too.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 7:30 utc | 130

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23, 2014 3:30:05 AM | 129

This here is the link on Poland's missing opposition

The Polish political class in Soviet times was famous fornot believing the ideology - they tried to get the best for their country.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 8:06 utc | 131

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23, 2014 3:30:05 AM | 129

Your link proves that Sikorski is a media professional. How can you do better to show that you are a Polish patriot (though having an international career and an American Polish wife) than to attack Ted Turner for anti-Polish jokes - and get a much reported public apology?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 8:23 utc | 132

Anyway the green men myth now has been debunked - most of them - who could be recognized - seem to be Cossacks.

Which now is the perfect civil war mix of stupid nationalists against stupid nationalists.

And yes, both sides are playing this game.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 8:32 utc | 133

Lavrov: If we are attacked we will defend ourselves
http://rt.com/news/154212-lavrov-russia-will-defend-itself/

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 8:36 utc | 134

@somebody #131:

Sorry, that link doesn't work for me either. It's not a valid url, and contains a reference to this page of MoA.

I'm afraid that, as a Russian Germanophile, I do not understand what "the Polish political class… try[ing] to get the best for their country" could possibly mean. Since Europe functioned perfectly well when Poland did not exist, but was partitioned between Prussia (or was it Austria-Hungary?) and Russia (that was at the peak of European civilization, the Enlightenment!), the existence of Poland cannot be taken as a given. Thus, instead of thinking about this in terms of a Polish state, I think we should look at this in terms of the interests of individual Poles. It is very possible that individual Poles are better off assimilating as Germans or as Russians, than by remaining Polish. For all we know, that is what is going to happen anyway in the long run, so we might as well think ahead. Plenty of cultures and languages have disappeared over the course of European history, the original Prussians being an example.

And before anyone says that I am being a horrible reactionary, I should point out that I am simply following the logic of the present policy of USG on the Ukraine, perhaps because I am an American. Given that the current Kiev regime are puppets of USG, the intransigence of the regime with regard to giving Russia-oriented regions real autonomy and with regard to making Russian a second national language is a clear indication that the policy of the USG is to force culturally and linguistically Russian Ukrainian citizens to be assimilated as "Ukrainians", their cultural and linguistic heritage destroyed.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 8:46 utc | 135

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23, 2014 4:46:48 AM | 135

Don't know what happens - the tested link

I think this here is just a threat - but Russia may be forced to make it real

In an interview with RT’s Sophie Shevardnadze, Sergey Lavrov said that if Russian territory comes under attack, then Moscow will respond in line with international law.

“If we are attacked, we would certainly respond. If our interests, our legitimate interests, the interests of Russians have been attacked directly, like they were in South Ossetia for example, I do not see any other way but to respond in accordance with international law,” he said.

Speaking about the buildup of troops on the Russian-Ukrainian border, Lavrov added that Russian troops have not crossed into Ukraine and remain on Russian territory.

"Russian citizens being attacked is an attack against the Russian Federation,” he told RT.

Russia has offered citizenship to Ukrainian Russian citizens ....

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 8:58 utc | 136

Václav Klaus - ex-president of Czech republic speaks about Ukraine blames US and EU must see!
Turn on the subs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47WHfMaCQzc

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 9:02 utc | 137

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23, 2014 4:46:48 AM | 135

Sorry, you cannot expect that other people necessarily shsre your personal mindset or taste.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 9:02 utc | 138

@somebody #138:

As I have said many times, the only reason that you make statements like that is that the American occupiers have taken your culture away from you.

IIRC, you said at one point that cultures cannot be compared in terms of how accomplished they are, in terms of the contributions they have made to humanity. But that is clearly a very counterintuitive and specifically postmodern (nihilistic) position. Can't you see that?

An experiment. How would you describe your response to this Rammstein video?

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 9:30 utc | 139

Somebody, #133: the article you cite belongs to what looks to me like a rather luxuriously-designed (and hence well-financed) pro-Maidan disinfo site. Some of the assertions in the article are rather implausible (though impossible for non-russian-readers to check); others are downright nonsensical.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 23 2014 9:32 utc | 140

Here in Europe we're having the continent-wide "European elections" in a month but no one dares discussing Biden buying Ukraine or NATO pushing the frontier eastwards. Not that the European MPs are allowed any concrete action, but the absence of any debate is astonishing.

Posted by: Mina | Apr 23 2014 9:48 utc | 141

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23, 2014 5:30:30 AM | 139

:-)) language: English, visuals - should have a dedication to Leni Riefenstahl

Challenge - define German culture

like this :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 11:21 utc | 142

sorry, there is a problem with the links

this here is the song

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 11:22 utc | 143

Rowan Berkeley @140:

ukrainepolicy.com is hosted in the US and was registered early February 2014, just in time for the trouble to start? It is hosted at MediaTemple.net which appears to have some association with MarkMonitor.com - a 'brand reputation management' organization, part of the Thomson-Reuters. I suspect you hypothesis is correct.

Posted by: Yonatan | Apr 23 2014 11:29 utc | 144

@somebody globalresearch.ca is untrustworthy

Using you as a barometer of trustworthiness seems like... not such a wise decision.

And to talk about Chossudovsky's group so as to bring it down to the level of an Israeli intelligence outlet is ridiculous. Why don't you tell us why they are so untrustworthy - unless you just want to fling mud at people doing good work.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 23 2014 11:39 utc | 145

Global Research is untrustworthy to a mild degree, in that sometimes things will appear there that many of us would immediately peg as either completely ignorant of possibly even disinfological. But more generally, it is a mediochre source nowadays because the Prof is evidently running it practically single-handed (unlike during its glory days, when it had a huge forum and many active helpers). The Prof is getting rather elderly, he does not have the energy or resources to keep completely up-to-date, and some of his selections betray an awkward sort of semi-spiritualist christianity. One of his contributors is an anthroposophist, that is, a follower of interwar German theosophy spin-off Rudolf Steiner, and you can't get much more completely irrelevant and up-the-garden-path than that.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 23 2014 12:32 utc | 146

@ Somebody at # 128

Thierry Meysan is completely untrustworthy. As is globalresearch.ca. As is Debkha.

Debkha - Untrustworthy without a doubt. Whats your problem with Globalresearch ?? I've not found anything to cause me to have suspicions about them though I'll qualify that by saying I don't read everything they post.. Can you elaborate if you have time thanx.

Posted by: DonNeedNoSUserName | Apr 23 2014 12:34 utc | 147

@ 126 /128

"Thierry Meysan is completely untrustworthy. As is globalresearch.ca. As is Debkha."

Debkha is definitely untrustworthy But what is your problem with Global Research ?? I don't read everything posted but over the years I've found them pretty good,truth wise. Like to hear why you think this way if you get a minute

Posted by: DonNeedNoSUserName | Apr 23 2014 13:01 utc | 148

I agree the problem is that there aren't enough willing participants in the so-called "civil war". Pravy Sektor simply does not have the numbers and REPEATEDLY what's left of the Ukrainian army will not fight in a civil war. Greystone mercenaries are present, but that doesn't make a civil war.

In short, I foresee sporadic incidents by extremists but no outright "civil war" although the groundwork is there for an east-west divide. The population at large does'nt want to go that route.

Posted by: ChrisMclavelli | Apr 24 2014 2:51 utc | 149

I started coming here a mere 3 months or so ago, looking for accurate reporting on the east. But now all I see is pointless rumours, nonsensical pseuda-analysis of nothing and everything, and sentimental, meaningless religious garbage. I haven't seen anything useful on here in the last week, whatsoever.

Project much?

Dubhaltach

Posted by: Dubhaltach | Apr 24 2014 6:01 utc | 150

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 23, 2014 7:39:22 AM | 145

It is a very simple calculation, how many people write on the website, do they put their name to it, what do they pretend to know, do they name their sources.

globalresearch.ca pretend to know everything and do not give sources. A perfect outfit to put out any rumour the semi "respectable" media that is used in other cases - like Der Spiegel or the Daily Telegraph - would not touch with a barge pole.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 24 2014 6:16 utc | 151

God, RT, done well?


When they found a good liar to work Ukraine...must be you were free(lance) or at least cheap.


Oh by the way, I've already told RT themselves that they are tremendous liars themselves...but then I guess they have to obey another liar in "Putin"!

Why doesn't he & his little green men & the rest of you...like you...just go & "Get Back" (to the USSR)"!

Posted by: Johnjo | May 2 2014 5:10 utc | 152

@152 - you are a few days late and a few pounds short of a load too by the sound of it, lol..

Posted by: james | May 2 2014 5:34 utc | 153

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