Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 7, 2014
Ukraine: The East Strikes Back

The people in the eastern industrial heart of the Ukraine had so far a mostly unsatisfactory life. After the catastrophic end of the Soviet Union the industries they were working in were either shut down or sold off for peanuts to some shady oligarchs. The economy fell, then stagnated and unlike in nearby Russia never recovered. They democratically elected a somewhat pro-Russian president Yanukovich but he was removed by an anti-democratic coup. Twice.

Now some alliance of fascists and oligarchs are ruling in Kiev. One of them, the pseudo blond gas-princess,  threatened to kill the Russian speaking people in eastern Ukraine. The coup government installed some Jewish Israeli-Ukrainian thieves as governors to rule over them. The announced austerity program will ruin what is left of the the eastern Ukrainian industry. So what are these people to do?

Of course they will not agree to calmly sit down and to let happen even more bad things to them. Instead they will follow the example the putschists and their U.S./EU supporters in Kiev laid out for them. They are occupying government buildings, proclaim self-established people’s republics and ask their big neighbor Russia for help.

Supporting the moves in the East is the continued threat of the fascists in Kiev where the paramilitary Right Sector stormed the constitutional court to remove judges not in its favor.

The coup-government in Kiev has little it can do against this. It could send troops and police but would those follow its orders? Would Russia counter by sending troops to protect the people in the east? How would a possible loss of the eastern and southern Ukraine effect their plans?

The coup-rulers may soon find that the only way out is what Russia demanded all along, a far reaching federalization of the Ukraine. This only possible way out for them. The question then is if their “western” overlords will allow them to follow that path.

Comments

@Massinissa #99:
Actually, the circumcision rate in South Korea appears to be higher than the US rate. (South Korea is also bizarre in that it is an Asian country with a lot of evangelical Christians; I view it as the Asian equivalent of Poland: in the same way that Poland lies in the shadow of two much greater cultures, Germany and Russia, Korea lies in the shadow of two much greater cultures, Japan and China.)
As for understanding how circumcision became a common practice in America, Marked in Your Flesh: Circumcision from Ancient Judea to Modern America is very good.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 8 2014 6:34 utc | 101

But what about boob jobs?
“Your breasts, they feel strange?”
Oh, that’s because they’re real”

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 8 2014 6:54 utc | 102

@scalawag:
I am not a fan of cosmetic surgery, but it is a completely different kettle of fish than genital mutilation, whether male or female. Genital mutilation is about symbolically expressing belonging to a tribe by mutilating the body; cosmetic surgery, as far as I can tell, is done in an attempt to improve an individual’s life chances or self esteem. So the former is about tribal affiliation, whereas the latter has individualistic motives.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 8 2014 7:00 utc | 103

Posted by: Demian | Apr 8, 2014 3:00:44 AM | 103
Boob jobs are getting to be almost as much a cultural requirement as pecker scalping. In America. Give it a few more years and they probably will be.
But how the hell did anti-fascism in eastern Ukraine morph into a discussion about foreskin hacking?

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 8 2014 7:24 utc | 104

Posted by: Demian | Apr 7, 2014 4:50:03 PM | 40

Are you saying that the EU/NATO are pressuring the putsch regime in Kiev not to accede to the three main RF requirements: (1) federalism; (2) Russian as the second official language; (3) commitment to neutrality between NATO/EU and RF.
I have little doubt that what is happening in Donetsk and Kharkov is driven by the locals—as opposed to foreign interference—in response to Kiev intransigently ignoring the wishes of eastern Ukrainians.

Yes, quite so but that doesn’t stop provocateurs utilising the locals, after all isn’t that exactly what happened in Kiev?
How do you spot the difference?

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 8 2014 9:50 utc | 105

@Rowan Berkeley #96:
Yeah, I’m one of those secular Jews apparently. I was born in 1945 and according to my mum, back then in a London maternity hospital circumcision was done for ‘health’ reasons (and since abandoned, not the hospital, that’s been turned into luxury apartments).

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 8 2014 11:12 utc | 106

If you buy the fraud that you are descended from the God-haters who howled “His blood be upon us and upon our children” then you are a Jew. Unmentionable fear of cursed blood is the hidden essential attribute of Jewishness. Supposed descent from the ̶Christ killers” inflicts guilt which the individual either rejects as nonsense in the anxious process of assimilation, or else deflects in that despair which sustains Judaism, for the definitive Jew lives in despair of any enduring good in life and in after-life. Thus Jewish communities produce no organised resistance to Judaism’s globalist anti-humanity because unmentionable guilt cowers the human mind into either moral avoidance, that takes refuge in any diversion, or into adopting anti-morality, the cosmetic morality of the Hate establishment, as good.

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 8 2014 12:19 utc | 107

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 8, 2014 8:19:25 AM | 107
Oy veh! Whatever guilt I feel has surely nothing to do with being Jewish and more to do with being ‘white’ and being a privileged member of the Empire. As for being descended from, what do you call it? “God-haters who howled “His blood be upon us and upon our children” then you are a Jew. Unmentionable fear of cursed blood is the hidden essential attribute of Jewishness”, heavy stuff and it would appear that it has more to do with your own feelings of guilt about being Jewish (I assume that’s what you call yourself) than some inherited feelings you subscribe to Jews.
Frankly, I’m tired of all this BS. It serves no purpose, explains nothing and just seems to drive an even deeper wedge into what’s left of our humanity.
Getting rid of capitalism is numero uno on my list of to do things.

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 8 2014 12:29 utc | 108

Oh yeah,all this has nothing to do with Zionism and Jews;Look at the DNA of most of the perps,The whole Zionist MSM,the capitulation of the American govt. to them,and the backing of all the Ziowhores for this resumption of the cold war.Ludicrous speed indeed.
And look at Cruz,the POS,allied with Dentist Chuck in attacking Iran,jeez what maroons,I would never ever vote for that Canadian Cuban wacko.
Give me one Putin over a thousand acolytes of lobotomized crazy irreligious Zionuts.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 8 2014 12:50 utc | 109

The House of “Windsor” has had its male sons circumcised by a mohel since Victoria’s time…

Posted by: Nora | Apr 8 2014 13:14 utc | 110

If you’ll excuse me, William, lumping me in with Michaël (sic) is not quite fair. Maybe he’s just here to make relatively commonsensical people like me look ridiculous. But I apologise. A properly Ukraine-related point is that the Jewish oligarchs that Pres Yurchynov was taking such pride in, are not the same economic class as the Jews that are fleeing to Israel (500 last quarter, up 43% on previous quarter, says Haaretz). This fact, and the absence of coverage of it (viz, the objective conflict between the needs of the Jewish masses, such as they are, and the Jewish oligarchs) is covered nowhere much. One would expect some square-on discussions of Jewish class struggle Ukraine, but I haven’t seen any.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 8 2014 13:20 utc | 111

The position of William shows the problem I have will all the “Jewland” jokes and “Jewish” this and “Jewish” that.
There are good people who have had a label put on them for the fact of being born. I’m not sure if you, Bowles, belong to one of Rowan’s secular or religious synagogues or none at all but I’m quite sure you cringe when you hear all of this stuff – knowing how people can label you – and it makes you feel like you need to be fighting for your own survival instead of against the kleptocrats.
I actually don’t mind Rowan, your, work, as is thought out and obviously you’ve spent a of time thinking about it. There doesn’t seem to be any hate behind it, really. I do think what you did with Proyect was counterproductive and stupid but I already said that.
As for you, Michael, your “satan” “blood on your children” schtick – this stuff is dangerous but 99% people probably think you are a wacko, so really, who cares.
I don’t feel Jews are uniquely threatened as a people at this point, not at all. They have a nation of their own, powerful allies, they are economically, culturally, politically extremely successful – they are by no means oppressed anywhere. In fact in many ways, they need to be taken down a notch – the nukes should be disarmed, the Territories should be freed, the return of refugees allowed, the economic power should be dealt with along with all other economic power.
So I don’t think the “Jewish” talk is bad because it poses a danger to Jews. My worry is that good people, exactly as we see in @108, see it and feel “oh wait, damn, I’m Jewish” and by feel threatened splitting those who would take on those in power – when they should just be able to toss their background aside as I can throw my Italian background and join the common cause. Those who want to do that of course, those who don’t remain enemies of everyone, certainly.
Unless of course people think William is lying, and is a secret zionist and just can’t help himself or something. That’s a little deeper level of bigotry.
My obfuscated point is this – for whatever Rowan says about “Jews who aren’t Jewish” I can be certain the one thing to make them feel extremely Jewish is when someone starts making a bunch of “Jewland” “jokes” or starts talking about “Jewish tactics” and this and that. And the point is this: what are we fighting – “Jewish Power” in particular? Or unaccountable “Power” whoever holds it?

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 8 2014 13:27 utc | 112

i think the instability of the putsch regime in kiev lends itself well to the warmongers/nato/banking cartel interests. – james at 7.
I was wondering about this, as for sure the coupists cannot get on, and their masters have and will have trouble keeping them in check, not to mention the reactions of Ukrainians a bit further down the road (apart from the pro-Russian moves discussed on here now.)
There are good grounds to say No. So far, if I have the nos. right, about 28 billion has been offered by various parties in the shape of loans, of course. As Bowles says, nobody really cares about Ukraine – there are oppos to make money (e.g. banking, heavy industry after a lot of investment, agri) but all this is dependent on political stability and what I’d call bearable austerity. The sum will not be even halfway enough and Urk. is sinking economically as I write, it becomes less attractive by the day. Moody’s has just downgraded it so far down that it is ‘invest at your own risk’..
Compare with Poland, for ex, about which everyone cared (in some way, incl. US) – to prepare and effect its entry in the EU at least 10 times as much was given, and iirc, Poland’s debts were simply written off. (One would have to check this and figure out the details, don’t have the time.) This is also one of the reasons Ukrainians admire the EU – they saw what happened in Poland but don’t grasp the underpinnings, it is just ‘joining the EU.’ The EU will not under any circumstances take on Ukr. Recall, the loans are mostly from the IMF, and are there to prevent losses to foreign banks, in a kind of holding action (somewhat like in Greece.)
Putin clearly has no interest in a Nation-Building Exercise in Ukr, as, imho, his actions so far have shown.
That is why he proposes a ‘Federation’ – solution that has been often proposed, in fact the Swiss are proposing it as well though sort of stupidly and quietly (1) – though he knows that isn’t possible right now. As for Ukranians in parts of the ‘industrial’ East, that some, or a good chunk, prefer a Russian master to an EU master is comprehensible, but isn’t really going to help Ukrainians as a whole (leaving aside the issue of provocateurs and escalation.)
Does the US-EU-NATO want a proxy war in Ukraine (against Russia if it takes the bait)? That is the nitty gritty.
Imho the coupists all have varying interests and are navigating without much of a plan, that they had not much of a one to begin with, etc. So a very volatile situation. The volatility is of course an attraction in itself, everyone takes sides / proposes actions / grabs for power / makes new ties / gets out of jail / controls something / goes postal / etc. The answer here might also be No.
1. Burkhalter is president of the CH Confederation and President of the OSCE.
Heh, McCain with cakes – brownies?

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 8 2014 13:44 utc | 113

William Bowles | Apr 8, 2014 8:29:38 AM | 108
“Getting rid of capitalism is numero uno on my list of to do things.”
Yeah, but that includes getting rid of the core of private property ideologies – or doesn’t it? – and that is Judaism. It’s not the branch of Greek philosophy progenitors, but what some tribal (spiritual) aritocracies made of it under pressure of patriarchal herdsmen and their warrior aristocracy. It propagated through Christianity and its Islamic branch.
IMHO that means to quash entirely the notions of “The Good” and “The Bad” (and The Ugly) going back to their sensible roots: what is beneficial, what is harmful and what is beautyfull.
I have two interconnected reasons for saying this.
First, going back to the roots of rational judgement eliminates “guilt” off social computations and without doing so the patriarchal traditions will inevitably be passed further down the generations.
And second, you can’t break the tradition of private property – and this is what “capitalism” is about historically – without breaking with the notions of “civilization” and “humanity” – because that is the most generic elitist packing box to this very pair of shoes.
So Michaael is walking at least near to the right track, when he condemns the worship of Death (btw to Bob of Portland: worship of money is part of it) but he wrongly attributes this cult in order to sanctify his own variant of it:
(Michaael): “Thus Jewish communities … cower(s) the human mind into either moral avoidance … or into adopting anti-morality, the cosmetic morality of the Hate establishment, as good.”
He ends with just the terms of exorzism that is inherited in any affirmative and legitimizing thought of the antagonisms of private property and its rule and historically came up with Judaism.
(Did I put it intelligible?)

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 8 2014 13:48 utc | 114

Noirette | Apr 8, 2014 9:44:48 AM | 113
I agree with every point.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 8 2014 13:53 utc | 115

Most modern Jews reject Yahweh,as his ignoring their holocaust must have weared greatly on their faith,but as this phenomena has been exhibited since Moses time,maybe Yahweh found(or was chosen)the wrong people to put his eggs in their basket.
And when people state that obvious reality,they are condemned.It’s good to own the pulpit,eh?And all these Zionist bloviators,if the targets of their insidious propaganda had the means,would be droned also,as in whats good for the goose is good for the gander.But of course,right now,there is no comeuppance for their evil.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 8 2014 14:22 utc | 116

Oh yeah,WAPO says US can meet gas demands of Europe,but it will take infrastructure improvements(really now).And Britain may start fracking,to counter Russian gas;My God,the greed of these monsters,destroy your lands for big energy,and the people will be charged double.
Just what does Britain produce for world markets?(Except Ziocelebrities)A shell of its former self,and all seppeku.Just like USA,killing itself for big Zion.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 8 2014 14:28 utc | 117

William Bowles | Apr 8, 2014 8:29:38 AM | 108
“Getting rid of capitalism is numero uno on my list of to do things.”
You’ve taken on a big job. Perhaps you could define capitalism as you are using it?
You’re probably not trying to get rid of the kid who loans someone 5 bucks in exchange for 6.
Are you referring to something like: monopoly/cartel/oligarchic ‘capitalism’, which appears to be a contradiction in terms if one includes in one’s definition of capitalism an actually competitive field. Was it John Rockefeller who said that competition is sin?

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Apr 8 2014 15:15 utc | 118

@118
Competition in capitalism is a myth. Capitalism always ends up with monopolies, as that is the logical endpoint of the system of capital accumulation. Read more Marx.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 8 2014 15:19 utc | 119

I’ve noticed a ratcheting down of coverage in the MSM about Ukraine. Bob at 45.
Absolutely. All over, US, EU …Press back pages and nothing of substance. TV as well. Blaming Putin from certain quarters is a staple, has died down.
The MSM servants are receiving unclear orders, messages, and are hesitant and left-footed etc.
So that the unwashed public not be swayed by one or another opinion. When things shake out all can nod their heads, *yeah right so.*
A sign that the drivers and PTB aren’t sure what results will pan out in Ukraine, which forces are in play, how to spin it, etc., therefore the MSM simply holds back. (Compare with WMD in Iraq, 9/11, etc.)
The MSM is hyper-sensitive to public opinion, they rely HEAVILY on polls, internet memes, etc. to sell their sheets/vid, tv news / analysis / etc.
Internet poll shows Putin as favored world leader .. Who knows who is voting on there? Poll is in English and not Russian.
Scroll a little down:
http://tinyurl.com/nm552zh
The US petition to Pres. Obama, for Alaska to join Russia is a curiosity, one article:
http://tinyurl.com/otg9qvl
Right now 39,000 ppl have signed. From White House site: http://tinyurl.com/o3k3evt
As a fun joke.. why not. (Nothing will happen.)
It looks like the rah-rah support your fave pol, which was supposed at least, in the US, to be nationally contained, has globalized, surprise 🙂

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 8 2014 16:11 utc | 120

Funny, but at Yahoo News I’ve noticed that at least 1 story of the top 5 headlines or so is about something related to the Ukraine or Russia.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 8 2014 16:18 utc | 121

And judging by the nature of these daily headlines, the stories are getting more hysterical, shrill and absurd.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 8 2014 16:20 utc | 122

Has it ever struck you that the founders of the Kievian Rus dynasty actually conquered the territory that they named Kiev, and subsequently the rest of their state, from the Khazar Empire? Could the current Ukraine war be considered the revenge of the Khazars upon the Rus? (Read about it: Wikipedia)

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 8 2014 16:30 utc | 123

@113 Noirette thanks. what you say here is what i think everyone is seeing – “Does the US-EU-NATO want a proxy war in Ukraine (against Russia if it takes the bait)? That is the nitty gritty.”

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2014 16:39 utc | 124

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 8, 2014 9:27:01 AM | 112
The only thing makes me ‘feel Jewish’ is the fact that my mother told me that she was Jewish and thus, so am I, I suppose. From an early age I read up on the concentration camps but I also knew that millions of ‘gypsies’, slavs, homosexuals etc also got exterminated. For me there was no specific Jewish Holocaust (who now seemed to have taken possession of the word to the exclusion of all the rest of the Holocausts that far outnumber those of the Jews).
Frankly, I don’t give a toss about Israel or the Jews per se. It strikes me that guest77 et al, seem to be getting their knickers in a twist over me, or at least the image they seem have of me as a ‘Jew’. Ludicrous if you ask me.
Jewish talk? Like in ‘The Big Bang Theory’ (which I find embarrassing as well as offensive). My Oy Veh’ was meant to be a joke but obviously in such august and apparently humourless company, it fell flat.

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 8 2014 16:41 utc | 125

@123
Firstly, its not a war yet.
Secondly… Israelis sure as hell dont think of themselves as related in any way to the Khazars. Youre reading into it to much.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 8 2014 18:38 utc | 126

Ha. Maybe secretly, Koestler conviced them, but of course they had to hush it up. In 1998, a biography of Koestler by David Cesarani (a noted Zionist author) alleged that Koestler had been a serial rapist, citing as evidence that the British feminist writer Jill Craigie had claimed that she had been one of his victims in 1951. Feminist protesters forced the removal of his bust from Edinburgh University.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 8 2014 18:55 utc | 127

@125 I’ll untwist them then. In all truth, it was beginning to chafe.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 8 2014 19:19 utc | 128

Posted by: Demian | Apr 8, 2014 12:55:52 AM | 90
it diminishes his totaliaran control and gives more power to the provinces
We saw his concern for Ukraine when he sent the countries gold to the US

Posted by: brian | Apr 8 2014 23:41 utc | 129

William @ 125
I’m told a Jewish mother admonished her child, “Oh, I hope you don’t choose to be Jewish.” So what part does choice occupy in the definition of Jewishness?
My vivacious and truth loving Jewish mate (✝2011), who taught me all about that “-ism,” had only a Jewish father, which did not annihilate his supposed identity—meaning that the matrilineal option is pure confusion/deception.
And by the bye, Arthur Keostler states in his Darkness At Noon that when he and his mates in the Paris office of the Comintern heard of the Reichstag fire, they snatched the PR opportunity to rush-produce in England The Brown Book of the Reichstag Fire, which is history’s version we all believe!
We were children once, and lied to.

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 8 2014 23:51 utc | 130

” …And by the bye, Arthur Koestler states in his Darkness At Noon that when he and his mates in the Paris office of the Comintern heard of the Reichstag fire, they snatched the PR opportunity to rush-produce in England The Brown Book of the Reichstag Fire,…”@130
This is almost certainly untrue. Darkness at Noon was a novel in which the character Koestler never appears. I haven’t read the book in half a century so I may be wrong but I doubt it.
As to the Reichstag Fire, who, Michael, do you blame it on? Communists eager to be incarcerated in concentration camps longing to be tortured and beaten to death, as most were? Or Jews perhaps, anxious to discredit, those upstanding patriots, the Nazis?

Posted by: bevin | Apr 9 2014 2:14 utc | 131

@131 I must warn you bevin – like anything colored by nature with alternating black and yellow stripes, small red hour glasses, or provided with natural rattles – this one screams “do not touch”.
Welcome back, by the way.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 9 2014 3:06 utc | 132

Good advice:- this site’s bloggers are respectable intellects but WW2 terms are too confused.
In truth, most apparently, the German government were totally surprised but snatched the opportunity to crush the Reds to justify singular total power.

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 9 2014 3:24 utc | 133

Bevin, my mistake.
Koestler’s 1978 anthology of his decades of stuff was Bricks to Babel.

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 9 2014 4:09 utc | 134

I’m sure the people of the Ukraine are much relieved to know those in the west, the leftingers and progressives, the people one would supposedly think would care, who make a big deal about opposing “the empire” trashing their country are more concerned about talking about their Jewishness and hunting (hitler-baiting) those “unmentionables” who may voice such exceptionalism is not to their tastes.
These people in Ukraine are being murdered, kidnapped, disappeared, death squaded, they are seeing family and friends attacked in the same manner. They are seeing their country being turned into a fascist shithole. And you privileged yuppie spoiled brats piss on them by promoting your pathetic tribal loyalty BS as the be all and end all of every discussion. A bunch of bigoted, self absorbed bitchy queens who belong in a L’Oreal advert filmed in a McDonalds, with Pussy Riot jumping up and down in the background.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 5:06 utc | 135

@9

And in any case it’s time to stop conflating Israel with Jews.

Hunh? Netanyahu made ‘Israel is a Jewish State’ an essential pillar of the peace talks; he did a Kruschchev over it at the UN; and the claim is that Israel represents all Jews worldwide.
It’s only starting, not stopping.

Posted by: MRW | Apr 9 2014 13:00 utc | 136

The people of Eastern Ukraine realize that staying with Kiev will be hell on earth. Their standard of living will be much higher. They will also not be forced to pay the jewish food taxes that Americans must pay to get the little label on 90% of the food sold in America. Maybe Nuland aka Nudelman made sure her cakes were kosher.

What a fucking rancid pit of ignorant, mouth-breathing pinheads. But then again when you are a pile of shit you naturally draw flies. I wonder why my old friend Bill Bowles, who I never had any idea was Jewish, would not connect the dotted lines and figure out that MofA was bound to draw anti-Semites like Rowan Berkeley and the person who made this comment. It goes with the Red-Brown territory.

Posted by: Louis Proyect | Apr 9 2014 18:09 utc | 137

Google yourself much, Proyect?
(this is why it’s good to misspell persons’ names who are better left un-invoked)

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 9 2014 18:19 utc | 138

Hola Louis,
Well y’know, many a strange bedfellow, after all, you’re here too. How are you doing these days? Did I try to touch base with you when I was in Nuevayork in 08 (or were you ill when I was there)? Frankly, the anti-semitism doesn’t bother me at all, let em get on with it, it’s just a distraction. Remember when I ran New York Online back in the 80s? Back then they [anti-semites) were all out-and-out fascists of the John Birch variety. You just ignored em and they eventually went away.
Here no such luck, it seems to play a somewhat different role though, largely to deflect and obscure real debate about race, class and capitalism (no mention here of gender I notice, maybe because this is an almost all male ‘conversation’?).
I am not a follower of the cart leading the horse theory of the US-Israeli relationship no matter how convenient it is. Nobody, but nobody tells the Empire what to do, not even a mini empire like Israel (after all they are occupying Palestine and bits of Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, so I suppose they do qualify as a mini-empire).
I think that ‘b’ (is it bernard?) writes some quite interesting stuff, not all of which I agree with, but generally speaking I think his analysis of current events is pretty solid. I often find useful links here to stuff I’ve missed. I got no idea however, what his political economy is all about but I assume he has some kind of ‘socialist leanings’. I think the fact that occasionally his pieces get reproduced elsewhere in ‘lefty-land’, means that he has something useful to offer to the debate.
Desperate times, not the least for capitalism itself, even if there is no Soviet lurking in the wings. I think we’re in for a rerun of 1930s-style fascism but to the power of 10. But most of us wont be touched by it (that is, us citizens of Empire). At worst an inconvenience perhaps.
BTW, I really don’t understand all this Jewish stuff that seems to get people so worked up here. My paternal grandfather was of French extraction (descendant of a Norman mercenary apparently), paternal grandmother was a Roma (‘Gypsy’) and on my maternal side, my granma was a Latvian Jew and my grandpa a Ukrainian Jew and they were all lefties. So I like all this stuff that goes to make up me and the Jewish bit is just that, a bit of it. Just like my London bit and my New York bit and my Johannesburg bit (or for that matter my Lusaka bit). I enjoyed listening to my mum’s brothers and sisters talking in their Yorkshire-Jewish dialects, all mixed up with Yiddish, NOT Hebrew. It brings a smile to my face when I think of them. But it ain’t anything unique. We all have these memories.
Strikes me that the kind of Jew that seems to occupy peoples’ minds here is a rather parochial character, who may or may not actually exist somewhere but clearly he (and it’s always a he) satisfies some lack in the life of those who are obsessed with HIM.
But I think there’s the odd Maoist lurking around here to keep you company Lou. BTW, you hear from Dave Bellin? And what do you make of Gilad Atzmon’s take on the Jews?

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 9 2014 19:17 utc | 139

Posted by: Louis Proyect | Apr 9, 2014 2:09:30 PM | 137
Mr. R2P worried about anti-semitism? Strange how he doesn’t fret much when his western paymasters murder millions of Semitic peoples. He actually promotes these murders. Oh, silly me, those are the wrong Semitic peoples he helps the western establishment make war on. They don’t count.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 21:16 utc | 140

William Bowles
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Robert Welch ran the “anti-semites” out of the JBS almost as soon as they emerged.
He would allow no criticism of Israel. As Israel represents the crux of Jewish identity now, Welch was objectively pro-Jewish.
“Anyway, some of Mark’s questions deserve answers. Perhaps he never saw the
Birch weekly magazine, Review of the News, or as Joe Mehrten called it,
Review of the Jews. Israeli leaders such as Begin and Meir and others often
graced the covers, with glowing cream puff articles inside. The Israelis
were great anti-Communist guys, just like us! We had to support them
against the godless Communist Arabs! The Palestinians were terrorists!”

http://www.dcdave.com/article4/050308.htm
Welch was a scoundrel.

Posted by: truthbetold | Apr 10 2014 0:10 utc | 141

Some gentlemen in Kharkov caught one of those American mercs and decided to have a little bit of fun with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9mSvoN2OWA сегодня 09.04.14 в Харькове поймали американца в форме сокола
And the language those guys were using…

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 2:34 utc | 142

Posted by: truthbetold | Apr 9, 2014 8:10:06 PM | 141

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Robert Welch ran the “anti-semites” out of the JBS almost as soon as they emerged.
He would allow no criticism of Israel. As Israel represents the crux of Jewish identity now, Welch was objectively pro-Jewish.

Truthbetold, I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about.

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 10 2014 7:26 utc | 143