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April 16, 2014

Ukraine: Kiev Fails Again, Propaganda Aims for WWIII

When Kiev announced to use the military in the "anti-terrorist" campaign in eastern Ukraine I wondered:

who from the [Ukrainian] military will sign up for this?

A company force from a Ukrainian airborne brigade, supposed to be the better equipped and able Ukrainian troops, did sign up, or more likely was ordered to act, and immediately failed. The troops were met by unarmed local Ukrainians blocking the roads and demanding that weapons be turned down. Some of the troops gave up their weapons, some just turned their rides around, some joined the locals, some went home. No shoots were fired today. Kiev's "anti-terrorist" campaign has failed. Let us now see what the CIA's Brennan and his puppets in Kiev come up with next. Anti-terrorists drones?

The anti-Russian onslaught in the "western" media continues. According to the now proliferating storyline in many main-stream media comments the issue is this:

"Putin is looking for world domination and taking over Crimea was just a start. The whole Ukraine issue is one big KGB plot. Putin arranged for the U.S. State Department to pay some $5 billion to instigate a coup in Kiev which then enabled Putin to stir up the people in Crimea and to swallow the island into his ever growing dominion. The KGB arranged for the eastern Ukrainians to become terrorists by paying the Kiev coup government to prohibit the official use of the Russian language and by making the Putin pal Tymoishenko threaten eastern Ukrainians with nukes. Russian forces, which miraculously can not be seen, now joined the eastern Ukrainian terrorists in force and are robbing the Ukrainian army of its arms. They will soon be joined by Mongol hordes, march on Warsaw, then on to Berlin and beyond."

Fortunately not everyone is buying into that storyline but there are enough crazies out there who do. They include main-stream editors, useless NATO bureaucrats, politicians, weapon dealers and U.S. oil-men who want to sell very expensive liquid natural gas to Europe to replace the cheap Gazprom pipeline gas. The problem is that these confused storielines und interests, when extrapolated, seem to end up in a marketing campaign for World War III. The world has no need for such.

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What seems to be happening in east Ukraine is beautiful. Perfect for springtime, and Easter if you are Christian. Now is the time to get the message out wherever the West's pimperialedia allows comments. Comment here with cold analysis, sure, but spend lots of time getting through to as muxh of the masses as we're allowed to get to. Persuade!

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 16 2014 18:20 utc | 1

a terrific day :)

Posted by: Ross | Apr 16 2014 18:20 utc | 2

I agree, b, the storylines coming out of the West are horribly and pathetically conflicted.

But at least for now there seems to be unanimity on the main talking point -- repeated by Yats, NYT editorial page, and NATO -- "Russia is alone. No one believes the Russia. Russia is the aggressor. The world is united." Etc.

It is all noise. That is all the U.S./EU and the putschists have -- a woeful tearing and gnashing of the teeth. All to no effect.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 16 2014 18:27 utc | 3

Sorry for cell phone typos. That's "imperial media" though "pimperial" also works.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 16 2014 18:28 utc | 4


The persuasion strategy's been on parade for years now. As an avid reader of the Collapse genre and observer/researcher of the radicals who yearn for CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming), possible WWIII will result in significant population reduction – something they've been pining for. The possibility should make them happier than any GMO-laden Happy Meal ever could. They must be positively giddy in anticipation. If not WWIII, maybe at least another Holodomor in the Ukraine to appease the environmental eugenicists.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Apr 16 2014 18:34 utc | 5

Kiev Fails Again, Propaganda Aims for WWIII

D. Yarosh (Pravy Sektor) is a prez. candidate since 1 April, afaik.

To become so he had to deposit close on to 230,000 dollars (in local currency) like all other candidates.

See here for ex.

Appeal to Ukrainians from Yarosh: April 12, Eng. subs.

...heh which is pretty much what one would expect.

Here is one of his previous vids to drum up support, note the extremely violent images. Feb 2, Eng subs.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 16 2014 18:36 utc | 6

I am happy for the Ukrainians. They are a real people now. They don't want to kill each other in a civil war. Evidently, nationalism does not have deep roots in the people.

If people are going to kill each other in a war, there has to be some idea to motivate them. The coup regime in Kiev has not been able to provide Ukrainian soldiers with such an idea. The rhetoric of the regime only makes sense to Western elites, not to most Ukrainians.

And now I understand what Putin meant when he said in his informal press conference on Crimea that if the putsch regime kx`

Posted by: Demian | Apr 16 2014 18:40 utc | 7

@5 Im having a hard time figuring out what group of people youre talking about?

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 18:41 utc | 8

@6 Even just look at the rhetoric. Reconquista? The reconquista took several centuries of violent sectarian conflict... They're mad if they want that.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 18:43 utc | 9

Today's is a really lame and weak post by 'b', on a day when real events in Ukraine, or relating to Ukraine, have been fast-paced, fascinating and instructive. And the posts by 'b' over the last few days have been insipid and blind, imo.

I think I'm going to quit visiting this blog for a few months.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 16 2014 18:44 utc | 10

Sorry, a cat prematurely posted my comment lol.

In his informal press conference about the Crimea, Putin remarked that if the putsch regime uses military force, "we" (Russians) will be in the back, with Ukrainian women and children in front of us, so that the putsch regime will have to shoot its own people. (Very rough paraphrase.)

Now I think I understand what he meant. If the Ukrainian army moves into eastern Ukraine to suppress resistance to the putsch regime, ordinary people will go into the streets and tell the soldiers: stop this madness!

Posted by: Demian | Apr 16 2014 18:46 utc | 11

I am having serious trouble in discerning the political ideological affiliations of Mr.Holefield.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 16 2014 18:46 utc | 12


Man, this video is really violent.

It will stir up the right sector base, but most of Ukraine would probably be scared shitless by this. Even most of west ukraine dont want war, and that is clearly what this video wants in both its rhetoric and imagery.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 18:47 utc | 13

There seems to be an enormous amount of propaganda from the usual sewage pipes but surely it is impossible for anyone who has been paying the least bit of attention to believe it?
For my own part I simply do not believe that these campaigns are not becoming increasingly ineffective.

They would be much less effective, however, if it were not for the eagerness with which elements purporting to be of "the Left" seize on these reactionary imperialist memes and spin them to appeal to those who would normally be more sceptical. The whores and fools who stamped Marx's posthumous approval on the adventures in Libya and Syria are now standing shoulder to shoulder with the Right Sector in Ukraine.

The notion that Russia, weaker than it has been since the early C18th is being aggressive, imperialist or expansionist is the sort of nonsense that would only pass muster in a society in which, every day, unarmed, defenceless individuals are gunned down by policemen who enjoy complete impunity for even the grossest abuses.

In a world in which people are taught to eat shit and ask for more, please, the farcical falsifications of the media are swallowed without question.

And yet, as the crisis deepens and going along with authority becomes less and less rewarding, as the greed of the ruling class compels it to reduce its most loyal and obedient accomplices to anxious insecurity and, in old age or sickness, hunger and despair the tipping point comes closer.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 16 2014 18:47 utc | 14

You know what's crazy? That this blog has evolved into some kind of weird crypto-libertarian defense of Putin right-wing Russian nationalism. Written by German, so not really all that ironic, I suppose.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 16 2014 18:50 utc | 15

Ukrainian soldiers are great people - interview is in English.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 16 2014 18:59 utc | 16

Those with eyes and a brain can see the pendulum has swung and the real possibility of a counter-coup has arisen. And just where is the EU's quick reply to Putin's letter that was promised? The facts on the ground are defeating the US/NATO gambit as the weight of the pocketbook issues are more than enough to throw out the golpistas. It appears the Ukrainian military knows enough to not follow illegal orders issued by an illegal junta.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 16 2014 19:02 utc | 17

@#15 : You can't be more wrong.
b does an excellent job, much appreciated. The NATO imperialism – see Bucharest agreement in 2008 - was signed by George W. Bush. It failed, now the Neocons in the White House have another attempt to salvage their $5bn NGOs investment. Vicky Nuland won Galicia, but lost the Russian speaking South and East.

Brigade with 6 APCs Changes Sides In East Ukraine

Posted by: Oui | Apr 16 2014 19:05 utc | 18

Here's my humble exercise in persuasion, under another of those put-our-foot-down with Putin Guardian things:


Angus, no. Pull yourself out of the hallucinogenic 'demon Putin' narrative and look at the d#mn photos coming out of East Ukraine. The townspeople scold the young soldiers, remind them that there is no reason to fight, and the soldiers put down their arms! This is what is happening now in these days leading up to Easter. No Russians, no Pravy Sektor, no Princess Tymoshenko to muck up the truth. Look!

The real narrative is the need for a referendum on federalization, as you've recognized, and that is the message all in eastern and southern Ukraine agree on. That's all the East is asking for. Instead of war. So instead of drawing red lines in the sand, for wars on Russia and east Ukraine that don't have soldiers to fight them, what the West needs to do is pressure the coup regime to allow a reworking of the nation of Ukraine that will move it away from civil war and toward mutual trust.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 16 2014 19:09 utc | 19

at 9, Massinissa, the word ‘Reconquista’ is probably the closest the amateur translator could find and sorta gives the flavor and spirit. Because, yes, it is about conquest. Exactly of whom or what...well.

Remember, Yarosh is head of a right-wing paramilitary org. and they only aim for domination... and Adversity and Deaths are only a spur to further action...It is all about the Nation (or a small chopped off part), Conservative values, hate or disdain of foreignors, and wresting, yes, some economic power and control thru hyper- Nationalism (in other parts of the world it is religion, etc.)

Of course, Yarosh will not be elected, the next prez. if the May elections take place will be the King of Chocolate, Poroshenko.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 16 2014 19:14 utc | 20

@Parviz, good riddance as you once said in Iranian election times, but this time try to stay true to your words.

Posted by: zingaro | Apr 16 2014 19:18 utc | 21

have you noticed that the ukrainian facists act as stupid as the syrian rebels, cant shoot, bad propagada, gets defeated alot etc?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 16 2014 19:22 utc | 22

slothrop long time no see

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 16 2014 19:22 utc | 23

Maybe it's better the Kiev's fascio-putschists send Mr. Scumbag Yarosh personally to solve problems in the east.

Posted by: Scan | Apr 16 2014 19:23 utc | 24


You realize the right wing sort of supports, uh, Right Sector?

I mean, what, did you think Right Sector was a bunch of liberals? The name sort of, you know, gives them away.

Further, I dont quite see whats libertarian about this site?

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 19:29 utc | 25

Here in the US, we all know that the Anglo American Empire, primarily based upon the petrol dollar, is among the Walking Dead, "necrotic, useless, dead flesh" (Dr. Jenner). --someone just hasn't killed the brain yet (DUMP THE DOLLAR).

This leads us to understand US/NATO's insatiable appetite of perpetual cannibalization of nation after nation. We are living under the shadow of the largest Biter (empire) the world has ever known. This is a world where, “you kill or you die" or in the case of biters (empires), "you die and you kill” (The Governor).

If, history is a guide, this tells us that everything at their disposal will be used for their next meal. As Michonne stated, “A bad man, someone truly evil, they’re light as a feather. They don’t feel a thing.” Thus, we can only expect mendacity from this Lame-Brain (US/NATO) --never forget that!

I am sure that Officer Friendly (Putin), who is "as cold as ice" realizes this as he has sent the other nations that are obviously infected enough Biter Grams y'all --GO BACK!

This may be our ELE --Extinction Level Event (Dr. Jenner). Then again, "Uh, darlin' maybe if you and every other pair of boobs and swinging dick on this planet could just figure out that the switch on the TV, see, goes both ways, maybe we wouldn't have so much Global War?" (Shane).

Posted by: HAHA | Apr 16 2014 19:30 utc | 26

Germany's RWE to Sign a Contract for Gas Delivery

Ukraine Plans Gas Purchases to Off-set Russian Dependance
Zerkalo nedeli is reporting that a contract is pending with RWE for Ukraine to purchase three million cubic meters of spot gas. NaftogazUkraine plans to sign a short-term contract with Germany's RWE to deliver spot gas, bought in Europe, through Slovakian pipelines to Ukraine.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 16 2014 19:34 utc | 27


But wait, doesnt Europe get most of its gas from Russia?

So, what, is the gas going to europe only to then be sold in Ukraine? Some 'energy independence', that.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 19:38 utc | 28

Noirette, thank you for posting the links. I thought the Right Sector videos were done by amateurs, but skilled ones. Yarosh is frightening - the call to shoot traitors now, since this is a time of war.

I can't help but wonder if he actually believes that this moment is the beginning of Ukrainian and European renewal - if so, completely delusional.

He might end up in a bunker like Hitler. I would bet, so long as he is alive, he isn't going to give up, and will remain extremely dangerous.

Posted by: Night Owl | Apr 16 2014 19:39 utc | 29

Real people like good news, and regular folks holding off a war, mamas talking sense to their 'babies', and young soldiers deciding not to fight for b@llsh#t is really really good news. Especially a couple days before Easter. Take advantage, leverage this, persuade a fe more people, make the opinion poll results even more antiwar, anti-intervention.

Whatever your considered opinion about the West and its empire being on its last legs, yada yada, please don't buy into that "I don't have to do nothing, the march of history will do it for me" badly-done-Marxist (did Marx even believe that?) crap. Write blog posts like this, for example. Every little tiny bit counts, and my bit is tiny, but we don't own any big megaphones.

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 16 2014 20:02 utc | 30

This has to be the lamest Kievian exercise in would-be black ops yet:

Flyers call on Ukrainian Jews to register with pro-Russian separatists
JTA, Apr 16 2014

Pro-Russian separatists from Donetsk in eastern Ukraine denied any involvement in the circulation of flyers calling on Jews to register with separatists and pay special taxes. The flyers were distributed earlier this week in the city, where pro-Russian separatists led by Denis Pushilin this month took over several government buildings and declared their secession from Ukraine as the Donetsk Republic amid a stand-off with authorities. The flyers were official-looking documents that carried what was presented as Pushilin’s signature, but the news site on Wednesday quoted Pushilin as denying any connection to the flyers, calling them a provocation. On Tuesday, the news website reported that the flyers were handed out that day by three unidentified men in balaclava masks carrying a flag of the Russian Federation. According to the report, the men distributed the flyers next to a local synagogue. The website quoted unnamed sources from the local Jewish community as saying that the flyers were an attempt to provoke a conflict and blame the attack on the separatists. The flyers in Donetsk said all Jews who are 16 years old and above should register at the government building, which separatist protesters are occupying, and pay a registration fee of $50 by May 3. “Jews supported the nationalistic gang of Bandera in Kiev,” the authors wrote. The flyers also said Jews were hostile to the Donetsk Republic. They were required to report any real estate and automobiles, the flyers also said.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 16 2014 20:06 utc | 31

MoA is one hell of a blog!!! Started coming here after reading about it on CP and to tell you the truth, I really like the pieces published here. Anyways...I have a question that's a little bit off topic..Do you guys think that there is any realistic chance of the BRICS (or other nations such as Iran) dumping dollar for good? I sounds like a decent weapon in the hands of these countries..but what are the pros and cons that this move might entail?

Posted by: Grivko | Apr 16 2014 20:07 utc | 32

@10 - Parviziyi. please do as you say!!!

@32 - Grivko - that's a great question that i wish there was an immediate answer to.

Posted by: james | Apr 16 2014 20:18 utc | 33

Pathetic, Ukraine is in mess but the paranoid west and anti-russians cant stop talk about Russia.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 16 2014 20:18 utc | 34

I've been saying for weeks now that I haven't seen this level of propaganda mongering since the lead up to the Iraq war, and that takes into consideration the onslaught of propaganda we've had in the US on Syria. But it doesn't even compare to this.

The big push to equate Putin to Hitler was one of the first signs. This is no minor deal. It looks much more like a major campaign. Maybe not immediate. Bush/Cheney and the neocons worked on the Iraq war propaganda for about a year leading up to it.

Posted by: gemini333 | Apr 16 2014 20:20 utc | 35

Parviziyi @ 10

Seems your frustration is getting to your head, given that your buddies in Kiev are taking a lot of sh*t than they anticipated. It's OK though, your reaction is typical of many pro-Maidan idiots out there. First they deny, then sooner/later they accept. It's a process!

Been reading this blog for a while and your presence/lack of presence hasn't changed anything here. In fact, nobody even misses you here.

If you don't like b's posts go start your own blog elsewhere.

Now on to serious issue. The rats in Kiev basically miscalculated badly. They underestimated the people's resolve. They though they could pull another orange revolution sh*t and somehow the people will suck it up and pretend everything's business as usual. It worked for while until it didn't.

You see, the Kiev coup idiots are like the Syrian FSA. They were promised so much by their Western overlords. Y'know, stuff like no-fly-zone etc etc. None of them came. The Maidan idiots must have been promised NATO protections etc etc. As expected, none of them came.

No sane Ukrainian army personnel will fight for the coup regime. They're not worth a single drop of blood.

I expect more soldiers to defect when the sh*t really hits the fan. So far there's been only probing attacks from the West.

Posted by: Zico | Apr 16 2014 20:22 utc | 36

@Grivko #32:

If the dollar gets dumped, Russia and China will coordinate that with each other. It would be highly destabalizing to the world economy, however, so I don't think those two countries are going to dump the dollar until the Europeans realize that their being a colony of the United States must come to an end. So my view is that Russia and China will be very hesitant about dumping the dollar until they can coordinate with the EU on that.

As you know, the dollar is the international reserve currency. Dumping the dollar means killing the dollar as the international reserve currency. It would be insane to do that without having a definite regime to replace it with. The euro is one obvious partial replacement, but the BRICS are talking about creating their own currency.

In the meantime, I think that Russia and China will gradually reduce their holdings of dollars. That is not the same thing as dumping the dollar, but it would contribute to the general perception that the Empire is doomed.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 16 2014 20:26 utc | 37


Fully agree, its crazy. This shows how brainwashed western people are. What the heck is going on? How can people be so ignorant?!

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 16 2014 20:32 utc | 38

@36 Zirco

I understand where you're coming from....but I don't think that the initiative is really upto the Nazis (I believe they are pawns ....important no doubt but still pawns). We are looking at classic Brzeznski Doctrine at play here (which might turn out to be a zero sum game but west doesn't give a fuck to annhiliation.

I am keeping my fingers crossed hoping that sane Ukrainians and Russia and even sane Americans, will stick it to NATO et al.

Posted by: Grivko | Apr 16 2014 20:33 utc | 39

Brilliant article by Neil Clark comparing the "bad guys", Russians and their evil minions, and the "good guys", western democracies and their democratic allies. I'm confused, can anyone help me?

"I'm confused. A few weeks ago we were told in the West that people occupying government buildings in Ukraine was a very good thing. These people, we were told by our political leaders and elite media commentators, were 'pro-democracy protestors'.

The US government warned the Ukrainian authorities against using force against these 'pro-democracy protestors' even if, according to the pictures we saw, some of them were neo-Nazis who were throwing Molotov cocktails and other things at the police and smashing up statues and setting fire to buildings.

Now, just a few weeks later, we're told that people occupying government buildings in Ukraine are not 'pro-democracy protestors' but 'terrorists' or 'militants'.

Why was the occupation of government buildings in Ukraine a very good thing in January, but it is a very bad thing in April? Why was the use of force by the authorities against protestors completely unacceptable in January, but acceptable now? I repeat: I'm confused. Can anyone help me?"

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 16 2014 20:34 utc | 40

@ Demian # 37

Thanks Demian!

Posted by: Grivko | Apr 16 2014 20:35 utc | 41

32) It would be not to the advantage of the resource owning countries but could work for the producing part of the BRICS countries if they do not own bonds/securities denominated in Dollar (China and Russia do).

Take Russia now. There is huge capital flight into European tax havens, meaning the Ruble is under pressure. If Russia quoted the price for oil and gas in Rubel they would lose. As they sell it in Dollar they don't care. If they quoted the price in Yuan they could go shopping in China for anything else they would have to convert Yuan into another currency - which presumably would be expensive.

You can convert most currencies, what matters is if the conversion is expensive or cheap in relation to the value of the products in the country you live in, and, if you are dependent on imports, in the country you import from.

You cannot do economic war in today's interdependent world without hurting yourself just as much if not more.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 16 2014 20:58 utc | 43


You're right about that. I can't remember quite such a media campaign of lies, distortions and half-truths since Iraq. Somehow, not even the Syrian false-flag-athon seemed quite so over the top. But if there's any room for optimism in this case, it could be this: if Iraq ultimately proved too much for Uncle Scam and friends to digest, Ukraine won't be any "cake walk" either.

Posted by: James Patrick | Apr 16 2014 21:02 utc | 44

@32 - Grivko re: BRICS

There is an excellent quote from the movie Little Murders that is pertinent:

Alfred Chamberlain: It was after this that I began to wonder. If they're that unformidable, why bother to fight back? It's very dangerous. It's dangerous to challenge a system unless you're completely at peace with the thought that you're not going to miss it when it collapses.

I, too, wonder when. But there are many pieces to put in place first. The switch will be as hard as colonizing space. Many systems need to be validated, and much damage can occur to all involved if the switch is premature.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 16 2014 21:02 utc | 45

Posted by: Zico | Apr 16, 2014 4:22:11 PM | 36

I would not make a heroic thing out of the Ukrainian farce, the "Kyiv government" is just completely incompetent and bankrupt.

One soldier guarding one of the vehicles said he was a member of Ukraine's 25th paratrooper division, the unit sent by Kiev to recapture Slaviansk and Kramatorsk.

"All the soldiers and the officers are here. We are all boys who won't shoot our own people," he said, adding that his men had had no food for four days until local residents fed them.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 16 2014 21:03 utc | 46

If we seemed to be on the verge of WW3 (or WW4 as the neocons snazzily paint it), then China and Russia would, I imagine, try very hard to dump their US bonds in one fell swoop. Indeed, this is a better idea than dribbling them out, but also much harder. I do not at all agree that it would be "insane" to destroy the world's reserve currency. On the contrary, I think it would be the best possible thing for the entire world, though not necessarily for any existing governments. From a purely financial point of view, the problem is that the moment you launch a big sale of anything, the price you can get starts to drop very rapidly, because the dealers figure there will be a glut and cut their offers in anticipation of the over-supply. But this also is the point: the point is to flood the market with US Treasury bonds (that is what we are actually talking about, not dollars as such) IN ORDER TO render them worthless. Then, when the US government wants to borrow more dollars from the Fed, in order to finance its insane and juvenile attempt at world domination, the Fed will not be able to supply such a loan, because the bonds the USG offers in return are worthless. And anyway, the Fed itself will be bankrupted, because it holds almost all its wealth in the form of these very same Treasury Bonds (T-Bonds) which are now worthless.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 16 2014 21:05 utc | 47

That's the heart of the rot in the West's position, scalawag. Maybe if this was the height of Cold War 1950s Tailgunner Joe McCarthy social conformity, the United States could get away with its "The Emperor Has No Clothes" routine. But it is not. The Soviet Union is twenty years gone. And what everyone has seen in that time is that "international norms" in a unipolar world mean Might = Right. All of which means the U.S. is not going to let this go. We can expect more covert action and mayhem on down the line. NATO will load up on its eastern front. Banderastan will be a failed state on the European continent.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 16 2014 21:09 utc | 48

James Patrick

That is true. US, EU and NATO will lose but they might cause alot of damage until they understand.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 16 2014 21:17 utc | 49

@ 26

The only way to stop a Walker(Empire) is to put one in the brain (dump the dollar)!

Biter Grams don't work y'all --GO BACK!

Posted by: HAHA | Apr 16 2014 21:25 utc | 50

>> Take Russia now. There is huge capital flight into European tax havens, meaning the Ruble is under pressure.

Trends end. I suspect this tide will turn. Russia and China don't need the dollar. Other countries will probably join them.

>> It would be not to the advantage of the resource owning countries.

Holding your reserves in dollars -- or storing anything (e.g., Germany's gold) in western denominations or physical storage -- makes you vulnerable to exploitation by western financiers, who can:
- Dilute your reserves.
- Confiscate your physical reserves or make your electronic reserves disappear.
- Arbitrarily impose "sanctions" but that render your reserves useless.

It seems all the western financiers let you "buy" with your reserves are "more bonds" and older generation weapons. It seems like a protection racket.

For foreign leaders to think they can trust western financiers is either idiotic or begs the question of who coerced them and how.

Posted by: too soon | Apr 16 2014 21:34 utc | 51

I sometimes suspect its all just a big racket. Images of the G8 fill my mind with gales of laughter at how the world is their oyster!

Posted by: HAHA | Apr 16 2014 21:48 utc | 52


That would be a misreading of Marx. He said that the transition of Capitalism to Socialism to Communism would be inevitable, but he never said it would be easy, or that the working class could just sit on their asses and Wait for Godot.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 21:53 utc | 53


Wait, what was #3? The Cold War? Because if so that was the most boring World War ive ever seen.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 21:58 utc | 54


A failed state in Europe... Even Kosovo isnt so bad as to merit that label...

But you know, it may be the first, but will Ukraine be the last? I dont think such a thing could happen in Greece since Greece is too busy bending over for Brussels despite its frightening drop in living standards, but who knows.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 16 2014 22:04 utc | 55

Edward Lucas for the Daily Mail...he is crazy! most ideologues are

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 22:20 utc | 56

The Russian Spring makes the Arab one look like a CIA operation..naturally it raises the decibel level in Washington

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 22:21 utc | 57


"pimperial" is excelent and very in 'his Pimperial excellency Obama'

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 22:23 utc | 58

Rowan, the obvious course, which does not involve trying to dump enormous amounts of one kind of paper in order to get another kind, is to invest in precious metals, gold and silver in particular.
This is what the US Treasury fears and this, according to Craig Roberts, is why gold is constantly being shorted in the markets. And why, when every sign indicates that they are being horded, gold and silver prices defy every rule of the market.

Of course the real problem, for the BRICS, is that their ruling classes, their elites, are as heavily invested in the US dollar as any other. This means, in Russia and Ukraine, for example, that the oligarchs constitute, as they were always intended to, a Fifth Column, insisting that the US be heeded and that conflicts with it never go beyond certain limits, and threaten the plunder that they appropriated from the people.

The most exciting aspect of what is happening in Ukraine is that, at last the bluff of the colour coded, NGO financed, State department "revolutionaries" is being called. Faced with the alternative of surrendering to the US/EU and its creatures, (which include fascists who horrify them and gimlet eyed Thatcherites bent on impoverishing them) the people of large swaths of Ukraine, starting with those in the east who have been publicly threatened with liquidation, are, reluctantly no doubt, taking matters into their own hands. That is what a revolution really is and it is hard to recall one which did not begin as a reaction against extreme provocations by an arrogant and stupid elite class.

If reports of what is nothing less than spontaneous revolutionary actions-the seizure of military vehicles, the surrounding of "cossacks" by masses of unarmed civilians, successful appeals to military units to desert or change side- are true then we are seeing the beginning, at a very bad time for the ruling class everywhere, of a real revolution.

Like all such revolutions this one has, so far, no positive demands. Leave us alone. Go away, is what it is telling the Kiev based "government" and its international allies. But such demands will inevitably come, and like the revolution itself, they will be responses to provocations.
Does the government want to cut pensions? The people will inevitably demand that there be no cuts, in fact that they must be indexed to maintain living standards, that they should be increased.
Do the employers threaten to close down plants, move machinery, dictate politics? Then the people will demand that the plants should be occupied and the owners relieved of their power to dictate.
Does Kiev want a National Guard, officered by its stormtroops? In response the people are organising their own militias to defend themselves and their country.

It will not be long I suspect before the US/EU is begging for Russian troops to intervene and save the oligarchies' property.

Underlying the clash between national capitals, with the US and its satellites on one side, its enemies on the other and most of the BRICS, committed as they are to the global system, putting off the need to decide what to do, is an elemental contradiction between the capitalist system, on the one hand and, on the other (in the Red Corner) the human species and its old mother, the planet earth. It is a contradiction that cannot remain unresolved for much longer, and the people of the Donbas might be showing us the solution.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 16 2014 22:29 utc | 59

>> But this also is the point: the point is to flood the market with US Treasury bonds (that is what we are actually talking about, not dollars as such) IN ORDER TO render them worthless.

The "point" of any liquidation should be to trade in that junk for something worthwhile and easily transported out of jurisdiction. If I managed a sovereign wealth fund, I'd hand in my dollars in exchange for companies like Transocean that in turn own easily transportable assets -- assets that are mostly "distributed internationally" already anyway.

>> Then, when the US government wants to borrow more dollars from the Fed, in order to finance its insane and juvenile attempt at world domination, the Fed will not be able to supply such a loan, because the bonds the USG offers in return are worthless.

There are no real nominal constraints on USG monetary issuance. The only question is whether resource-producing colony puppets will keep buying paper-promise bonds in return for innately valuable fossil fuels.

Posted by: too soon | Apr 16 2014 22:32 utc | 60

@gemini333 yes there is some serious propaganda going out there. But as of now it is not having much effect. Yesterday the WaPo posted an op-ed by James Jeffrey of WINEP calling for war. It was listed on the front page for about six hours but then taken down (it is still there but no links at the WaPo site). What I found interesting is that the comments were running about 10 to 1 denouncing Jeffrey or the WaPo for publishing it. This is a neocon rag. In any case there is no appetite for war against Russia. There are other signs of cracks in the War Party. Luke Harding in the Guardian today has a good on the ground report on the six APC's that were captured in Donetz. He makes it pretty clear that the people there support the secessionists.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 16 2014 22:33 utc | 61

@somebody #43:

I think that missing from your analysis is the fact that the US is a very peculiar hegemon. It cannot itself finance its own empire, as Rowan Berkeley points out. The dollar being the international reserve currency allows the US Treasury to borrow endlessly from foreigners without ever having to pay them back. This started with Nixon, when the US stopped backing up the dollar with gold reserves.

The dollar as the international reserve currency and the US empire of bases (to use Chalmers Johnson's term) are mutually supporting. Thus, major world powers such as Russia and China view killing the dollar in geostrategic, not economic, terms.

Thanks to Obama's disastrous presidency, virtually no one but European and anglophone elites wants the US to continue as world hegemon. Removing the US from that position requires killing the dollar. But for that to happen, the world needs to have a clear vision of what the world will be like once the US is displaced. Killing the dollar prematurely would create so much instability that the new situation would be worse than what we have now, a fragile monopolar order.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 16 2014 22:48 utc | 62

then there was the trojan rabbit

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 22:53 utc | 63

these APCs, yesterday we read they surrendered, today the western press reports "seized by protesters".

lol. since when do unarmed humans "seize" manned, thickly armored, military equipment? what a farce the coverage has become. The western press have tied themselves into such knots over the events in the Ukraine that they cannot be undone. even the most pea-brained of their audience will see through these obvious contradictions.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 16 2014 22:54 utc | 64

Massinissa, you're right to bring up Kosovo. Kosovo is a good example. The fruit of U.S./German aggression, it is a viable state now, if one could call it that, only because of United Nations administration. If the UN were to close up shop there it is doubtful that it could survive.

There won't be any UN administration in Banderastan. It will be left on its own. And we can expect the same economic pillars as in Kosovo -- organ harvesting, drug running and human trafficking.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 16 2014 22:58 utc | 65

@64 I suspect at least some of the protesters were armed. The point is the APCs weren't worth dying for.

Posted by: dh | Apr 16 2014 23:03 utc | 66

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 16, 2014 2:50:39 PM | 15

slops is back with his whimsical take on current events

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 23:07 utc | 67

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 16, 2014 2:44:37 PM | 10

care to enlighten us how b's posts are 'insipid and blind'?

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 23:08 utc | 68

The demonstration over the past few days that the current coup government does not have control over its military or the local police in eastern Ukraine raises the question how much control do they have over the police and military in western Ukraine? Apparently the national police force berkut has been disbanded. In the days following the coup the only armed militias in Kiev were those organized by the Right Sector. Right now does anyone know if there is any competing police power in Kiev and in western Ukraine? Does Yats have direct control over any forces in the country?

This raises the interesting possibility that de facto police power is entirely in the hands of the neo-Nazis. If that is so, then it would very difficult to see how the Yats crew could negotiate any kind of resolution to this crisis without inviting Yarosh into his government. I can see Kerry calling Victoria Nuland into his office and asking her, given that she threw her support behind those thugs could she please go back to Kiev and bring them under control.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 16 2014 23:09 utc | 69

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 16, 2014 6:54:19 PM | 64

the APC 'seizure' is a classic 'for uni student instruction on howto' eg of spin

Posted by: brian | Apr 16 2014 23:10 utc | 70

Perhaps what is needed is an "American Spring" to wake up our comatose citizenry in an effort to stem further U.S./NATO hegemony and imperialism.

Posted by: easy e | Apr 16 2014 23:33 utc | 71

Bevin and Demian are hitting right in the center of the target.

In all my years, and I remember from Korea War on, I have never have seen the propaganda so obvious and so completely divorced from reality. Comments here and in response to The New York Times editorials on their web site are clear that I am not the only one.

The manipulations of Victorian Nuland and Pierre Omidyar are senseless. The destabilization of nuclear armed Russia and China is playing dice with Armageddon.

In my last years of work, the guy in the cubical next to mine belonged to the Ukraine Orthodox Church. He was loud, friendly, and very quick to anger. I hope all Ukrainians wear the Ribbon of Saint George celebrating their victory in World War II and united tell the Western Barbarians to go home.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Apr 16 2014 23:45 utc | 72

How about a global spring? The Ukrainians, the real Ukrainians seem to be setting a great example for humanity. Let's hope when the time comes and the tanks roll into Dumbfuck, Iowa the entire town comes out to scorn them in the same way, and then after commandeering the APCs and doing wheelies until they run out of diesel, little Kaiden and Brayden and Dylan and Liam and Juan and Dwayne decide that killing their great aunties and uncles because they're in 'terrorist's' territory is absurd an idea as it sounds.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 16 2014 23:51 utc | 73


"There are no real nominal constraints on USG monetary issuance."


Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 16 2014 23:53 utc | 74


All right bevin! That's what I like to hear : the incipient alternative ripening out of sight and mind of the msm!

This time I read it first ... Now I'll copy it !

Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 16 2014 23:59 utc | 75

Paul Craig Roberts is also calling out the propaganda.

Posted by: par4 | Apr 17 2014 0:00 utc | 76

With regards to the $USD and business in general I would suggest looking back to WWII and see how business and finance was conducted. There was very little change really at the highest levels with large corporations doing business with whomever they wished.
IBM developed and supported the logistical system to manage the collection and disposal of Germany's undesirables. Many finacial institutions continued to do business with the Nazi's throughout the war. Even wealthy Jews made good during the war. I'm not trying to be provocative with this; business carries on no matter whats happening.
While the USD is destined to fail as the reserve currency, foreign countries are not likely to pull the trigger. Any sudden collapse will be wholely due to American actions.
It is in the world's interest to prop up the US as long as possible and ease them out of the way. The USA and it's military are extremely brittle and that makes them very dangerous.
As a prediction I have come to the conclusion that whoever the next president is will be the last for the USA as it is currently configured.

Posted by: BakerPete | Apr 17 2014 0:19 utc | 77

Was just going through the archives and found this on the MoA closedown thread in 2009.

Posted by: slothrop | Jun 30, 2009 4:20:19 PM | 124

I'll probably hang out at Proyect's place.

Makes it quite clear where slothrop is coming from - he's been too long hanging out at with those MINOs (obviously - "Marxists In Name Only") who never found the imperial war they didn't like. And no surprise, Proyect is busy chattering away in support of this latest one too. His latest: a post sniffing out hints of anti-semitism in Ukraine's east (not sure how it is possible to smell it, overpowered as it is by the stench emanating from Lvov).

But then again, torturing the ideals of the left until they make a fitting rational for the latest CIA outrage is what Louis gets paid for.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 17 2014 0:23 utc | 78

This talk of threats to the US dollar and the prerogatives of the US business class are interesting. How far are the 1% - those outside of the MIC and the Washington Beltway, that is - really willing to go for Nuland and McCain's war in Western Russia?

But it goes beyond that. The moves the US security state is making in the Ukraine are extremely serious and very dangerous. But it is only one sector of the elite that is making these moves. The rest of the country is utterly at odds with itself. The manifests itself in the Bundy Ranch event, the Boston Bombings, the Tea Party movement, the school shootings, the Congressional gridlock, and all manner of phenomena. And yet the moves of the security state - should they go poorly - require a cohesive population. And who can provide this cohesion? Obama? Hillary Clinton? Any personality within the GOP? No, No, and No.

Should this develop into something bigger, requiring huge funds that the country does not have, it is hard to see how the US will convince its people - including the rich - that this war in a far of corner of Europe is really worth anything at all.

The security state presumes that it can conduct such operations and tell the population to "go shopping" as Bush did following the September 11th attacks. The US security state pays well - but for the most part, those who work for it are mercenary. It is difficult to imagine any one going to fight these meaningless, far-away wars without due compensation. But if this gets out of hand - then what? Will American boys sign up to fight the Russians? Will American bankers pay for it?

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 17 2014 0:34 utc | 79


Well, the State could try propaganda to get people to fight in this 'european war'.

I mean, Woodrow Wilson got most of the united states from being to being absolutely against intervention in world war one, to most of america frothing at the mouth to fight Germany (minus the few protesters remaining, like Eugene V Debs and some socialists, who were clamped down on using the Espionage Act), in LESS THAN A YEAR.

But today is a very different climate than 1916 (or whatever year it was we entered WW1). I would LIKE to think that after Iraq being so recent in the minds of Americans that such a rapid shift in popular opinion is impossible, but im not absolutely sure.

Anyway, the bankers have plenty of money. And if they dont have plenty of money, the FED can give them money for free and the banks can lend it back to the government with high interest rates. Thats how it works, and has worked for some time. Money is no problem for the American Empire right now: More can be printed and loaned to itself, at the benefit of private interests.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 17 2014 1:11 utc | 80

The attempt by the NYT to paint the Ukranian Army's refusal to fight as a "tactical error", or to claim that the ordinary people who stopped them were "insidious", is absurd.

Propagandists have to propagandize, I guess.

Posted by: ess emm | Apr 17 2014 1:29 utc | 81

Reported by "4th Media" Obama Urges Ukraine’s Military To Not Get Involved (Two Month Ago)

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 17 2014 1:31 utc | 82

What happened to AANGIRFAN?!

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 17 2014 1:36 utc | 83

I wouldn't count the empire out quite yet. After all, they have played this game before in many countries - though certainly no countries so close and so important to the opposing superpower.

But they do know this game and have shown they know it well in places like Syria and Iraq. They have their useful idiots in these Right Sektor thugs and Academi killers too.


Cindy Sheehan interview John Pilger:

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 17 2014 1:36 utc | 84

@81 Those insidious protesters want PEACE and DEMOCRACY! How DARE they?!

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 17 2014 1:37 utc | 85

@81 Hahaha: Propagandists have to propagandize, I guess.

Sort of the old gag: Why do dog's lick their nuts? Because they can...

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 17 2014 1:38 utc | 86


"I wouldn't count the empire out quite yet. After all, they have played this game before in many countries - though certainly no countries so close and so important to the opposing superpower."

You mean other than Afghanistan?

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 17 2014 1:39 utc | 87

You might point out that this "4th Media" story is, in fact, b's post from yesterday! The post below this one.

"Obama says the U.S. urges Ukraine’s military not to get involved in a conflict that must be resolved politically. He’s expressing outrage about images of Ukrainian security forces firing automatic guns on Ukrainian people.

"Obama says in a statement that Ukraine should respect the right of protest and that protesters must be peaceful. He’s calling for dialogue to reduce tensions and address the people’s grievances.

"While that sounds somewhat reasonable, it is not what Obama now says about the current attack by the Ukrainian military on so far rather peaceful protesters in Donetsk oblast.

"He said the above two month ago while U.S. financed brutes from Maidan occupied government buildings, hailed hundreds of Molotov cocktails on policemen and stormed the parliament to stage their coup.

"For a usually slick operator that Obama is such obvious double talk is pretty embarrassing."

Posted by: bevin | Apr 17 2014 1:41 utc | 88

My guess: Yats has this look on his little rat face a lot these last few days


@ Massanissa - That's a good point - though Afghanistan doesn't rival Ukraine in importance to Russia. But I concede the point.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 17 2014 1:47 utc | 89

@81 Presumably the correct tactic would have been to flatten the place with cruise missiles before going in.

Posted by: dh | Apr 17 2014 1:58 utc | 90

I personally think it's in the interest of BRICS and all nations to help the US empire fall as gently to the ground as possible. No one will dump the dollar in any sudden moves, no one wants markets to crash. In fact, sudden moves of any kind are lethally dangerous to all concerned. We now see that the world is beginning to move as carefully as it can to a multi-polar world using a basket of currencies without triggering a (possibly nuclear) death-convulsion from the US deep state. Diplomacy such as shown by Russia, China and Iran will be crucial during the next few years, perhaps decades.

It seems almost funny that you can't get people in the streets in America over any of the post-9/11 security state outrages but what sparks the primordial fire is a cowboys vs. Feds thing on a Nevada ranch. The message of "yes we can" sent to America by those few militia is as profound as the message sent to the world by the good people of Ukraine, I suspect. This is all a pivot of great moment I believe.

I still worry that the CIA hasn't even taken the gloves off yet when it comes to importing foreign jihadists and mercs into Ukraine, but I'm not an expert in these things.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 17 2014 2:09 utc | 91

the lada chasing the ukrainian tank is something to be cherished

Posted by: remembererringgiap | Apr 17 2014 2:11 utc | 92

@bevin #88:

"For a usually slick operator that Obama is such obvious double talk is pretty embarrassing."

I think that the meme that Obama is a "slick operator" bit the dust when Obama said in his speech at the Hague that what Russia did in the Crimea (give the Crimeans what they wanted) was worse than what the USG did to Iraq (destroy the country).

It would be an insult to working women everywhere to call Obama what he is, a cheap, dumb whore. (The "dumb" part is based on the fact that he is the only editor of the Harvard Law review who never published an article.)

Posted by: Demian | Apr 17 2014 2:30 utc | 93

Demian @93
Read the fucking post!
These are not my opinions, though I do agree with them.
This is an unattributed republication of b's post of April 15th.
I believe that you commented copiously on it. Now you have read it.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 17 2014 2:40 utc | 94

Robert Parry has a good story here it is at Common Dreams:

He sums up the NY Times propaganda thus:
"Indeed, in my four-plus decades in journalism, I have never seen a more thoroughly biased and misleading performance by the major U.S. news media. Even during the days of Ronald Reagan – when much of the government’s modern propaganda structure was created – there was more independence in major news outlets. There were media stampedes off the reality cliff during George H.W. Bush’s Persian Gulf War and George W. Bush’s Iraq War, both of which were marked by demonstrably false claims that were readily swallowed by the big U.S. news outlets.

"But there is something utterly Orwellian in the current coverage of the Ukraine crisis, including accusing others of “propaganda” when their accounts – though surely not perfect – are much more honest and more accurate than what the U.S. press corps has been producing..."

Posted by: bevin | Apr 17 2014 2:54 utc | 95

ahem--only apparently off-topic

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Apr 17 2014 3:15 utc | 96

Russia will not go gently into that good night.

If we understand that the corrupt global economic system's disintegrating is an inevitable consequence of its corruption. Likewise, as this system is global and without any power capable of placing restraints upon it, this Levitation's collapse is inevitable, unavoidable, and irreversible.

Putin and a few world leaders are far from naive of this trajectory. Russia is currently well grounded, self sufficient and US/NATO knows it would be foolish to attack Russia, so long as Russia does not get embroiled with US/NATO's trap in Ukraine, as the USSR did in Afghanistan.

This is not Georgia 08-08-08. This is US/NATO pounding on the door of Mother Russia. Putin, will most likely stand fast. However, if directly threatened, he will strike with overwhelming force i.e. --Russia will use nukes!

US and NATO's vanguard, the CIA is tripping over their dicks with each new freak-horror show production they unleash, like they did in Syria with the cannibals and beheading. However, after 9-11 a new world has slowly emerge, and this new generation knows every one of their dirty tricks.

The propaganda is so overwhelming and blatantly obvious that we know that they must be fuming and foaming at the bit, frustrated because its clandestine efforts to embroil Russia in a war of their making is not working. Putin is not emotional, he is level headed and he is not one to loose his footing.

Smaller Nations at the UN that are being intimidated by US/NATO may want to rethink and find the courage to act in concert before they are on the menu. Predators rarely attack an intelligent and healthy prey or large groups. Thus, the question is not if, but when it is your turn to be devoured by US/NATO, Russia will likely treat you in kind.

I guarantee you, Russia will survive this onslaught or an ELE will occur. To think otherwise is naive. Russia will not go gently into that good night.

Posted by: HAHA | Apr 17 2014 3:25 utc | 97

Thanks, Mr. Alabama.

Posted by: Mary McCurnin | Apr 17 2014 3:27 utc | 98

@bevin #95:

Relax. I don't see why you're so upset. I reproduced the quotation marks, so it was obvious that I knew that you were quoting b. (But if you quote something, you should give a link to it. It is not that hard.)

And I don't see how you can agree that Obama is a "slick operator". It was obvious to me from the start that Obama was just as much a fake as Reagan was. The fact alone that he said he admired Reagan was a dead giveaway.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 17 2014 3:30 utc | 99

Many prayers to Ukrainian soldiers who know they are being used by Nuland, McCain, USA, EU-SSR, Pierre Omidar, the oligarchs, Yats, the fat ice princess and all the other criminals who caused this illegal coups. Do not fight for these criminals.

Prayers to Russia and Putin plus Russian soldiers to show restraint. And also for the Syrian army, people and Pres Assad who are fighting against the same "terrorist" State Dept criminals like Nuland and the USA newsmedia's lies.

The USA/EU-SSR, NWO, Nuland, Obama, McCain and Oligarchs want the Ukrainian people to be penniless serfs like the Greeks under the EU. These people are totally evil. Prayers for the Ukrainian people to be delivered from this evil plague of vermin.

Posted by: Mary Jean | Apr 17 2014 3:35 utc | 100

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