Ukraine: Fascists Lack In Math

April 29, 2014

Disgraced former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his entourage, whose criminal regime was toppled on Feb. 22 after the three-month EuroMaidan revolution, took $32 billion in cash to Russia, said Ukraine’s Acting Prosecutor General Oleg Makhnitsky in an interview with the Financial Times on April 28.
Prosecutor General: Yanukovych took $32 billion to Russia, financing separatism in Ukraine

Hmm. Oleg Makhnitsky, the new prosecutor general, is a member of the fascist Svoboda party. These folks are known to be somewhat lacking in education, especially in math.

$1 million in $100 notes, the highest nomination freely available, weights about 22 pounds or 10 kilogram. $32 billion in $100 notes are thereby some 320 metric tons. One would need some 20 big trucks to haul that stash around. I am quite sure that Yanukovich had no chance to assemble and load such a convoy on February 21 when he fled from being threatened with violence by the fascist paramilitary from Maidan square.

How much can one trust a prosecutor general when that person makes such obvious ridiculous claims?

PS: The good thing here is that Financial Times readers are usually somewhat sophisticated and will likely recognize such an idiot for what he is. The question they will ask themselves: "Would I trust such a person in my business dealings?" The obvious answer does not bode well for the Ukrainian coup government's plans for attracting outside investors.

Posted by b on April 29, 2014 at 11:58 UTC | Permalink

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Great find b but what are you doing on the pathetic propaganda site Kiyv Post?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 29 2014 12:24 utc | 1

just like in Crimea, evil russians molesting boys…figures!
Nina Byzantina ‏@NinaByzantina 9h
Boys will be boys in #Konstantinovka, #Ukraine.
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pic.twitter.com/J30LT41qsi

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 12:28 utc | 2

Does it matter, this will hit the today’s main news on all EU TV stations. CH4 and BBC, ORF, ARD/ZDF constantly spew lies, there is never any retraction. Damage done.

Posted by: papa | Apr 29 2014 12:50 utc | 3

Thinking about the way forward for the Kiev gang, more and more their interests seem to me to be better served by reaching a deal with Russia and the EU. Any hope for future economic viability of the Ukrainian state makes this plain to see. But working against this, I think, is the U.S. The build up of Ukrainian armor in the east points to the real possibility of carnage. Would the Kiev gang be so stupid? B answers the question. Clearly the fascist elements are very stupid. Stupidity and carnage benefit the U.S. because if Ukraine is poisoned there is no robust Eurasian economic integration.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 29 2014 13:22 utc | 4

Yes, papa, it matters. And, if, @1, the origin of these lies has to be sought out in exposing them it is worth visiting hell to find it.
Every time a news medium repeats this sort of idiotic propaganda a part of its audience becomes incredulous. When the impossibility of the claim is exposed, as it is in this post, not only the media but the cause behind the propaganda is shown to be bogus and untrustworthy.
The credibility of the media on which the ruling class relies to maintain its ideological hegemony- upon which its power depends-is rapidly eroding. Were its claims left unchallenged this would not be the case.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 29 2014 13:25 utc | 5

‘The fool is John Kerry, who has looked bad in his rushing around between Washington and Tel Aviv trying to get in place a “framework” agreement between Israel and the Palestinians that would show progress in the efforts of the honest broker, assailing Nicholas Maduro of Venezuela for his “terror campaign against his own people,” and, of course, denouncing the Russians for their “aggression” against the coup-regime of Ukraine. His statement that “You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on a completely trumped-up pretext,” has to be regarded as an Orwellian classic and may be his signifier in future history books, in the unlikely event that he makes it at all. His punchline has been the subject of many jokes and laughs in the dissident media, but the mainstream media have hardly mentioned it and certainly haven’t made it the butt of jokes and a basis for discrediting the man (just as there has been no discrediting of Madeleine Albright based on her statement on national TV that killing 500,000 Iraqi children via the sanctions of mass destruction in the 1990s—which she helped engineer—“was worth it”).
http://linkis.com/zcomm.org/zmagazine/7QXzo

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 13:31 utc | 6

Jewish mayor of Kharkiv flown to Israel for treatment for gunshot wounds
The Ukrainian embassy in Tel Aviv said it was not involved in Kernes’s hospitalization in Israel, and that it may have been privately arranged and funded. Afer being shot in the back by unidentified assailants, Jewish mayor of Kharkiv, Ukraine, Gennady Kernes, was flown to Israel late Monday night to receive medical treatment at Haifa’s private hospital Elisha.
Kharkiv’s Chief Rabbi Moshe Moscowitz said that a doctor from Haifa arrived in Ukraine overnight to check Kernes’ situation. According to Moscowitz, Kernes was flown to Israel at 3:00am with his wife at his side.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 29 2014 13:51 utc | 7

My coverage of sniper attacks in Kiev here.

German TV DasErste Monitor-M: Kiev Sniper Attack plus Video
Oleg Machnitzki, Generalstaatsanwalt: „Wir können wirklich heute schon sagen, nach allen Beweismitteln und Expertisen, die wir in der Hand haben, wer prinzipiell Schuld an den Sniper-Attacken ist: der damalige Präsident Viktor Janukowitsch, der ehemalige Verwaltungschef und der ehemalige Innenminister Sacharchenko.“
Reporter: „Sie wissen auch, dass es Sniper vom Hotel Ukraina gab?“
Oleg Machnitzki, Generalstaatsanwalt: „Wir untersuchen das.“
Die Scharfschützen also alles Janukowitsch-Leute? Es gibt noch weitere Beweise, die diese These in Frage stellen. Wir treffen uns mit einem Radio-Amateur, der an diesem Tag aufgezeichnet hat, wie sich Janukowitsch-Scharfschützen untereinander unterhalten. Ihr Funkverkehr beweist: Da schießt jemand auf Unbewaffnete, jemand den sie nicht kennen.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 29 2014 13:52 utc | 8

‘Putin, of course, pointed this out in reference to Iraq, but Obama answers him: “Now it is true that the Iraq war was a subject of vigorous debate not just around the world, but in the United States as well. I participated in that debate and I opposed our military intervention there. But even in Iraq, America sought to work within the international system. We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead we ended our war and left Iraq to its people and a fully sovereign Iraqi state that could make decisions about its own future.”
We may note the laughable evasion of the issue of “international law,” which he has said really “matters” in considering Russian actions, but dodges in addressing the U.S. case. His mentioning a “vigorous debate” is not only irrelevant to the question of law violation, it is also highly deceptive, as it is well established that Bush and his small coterie of advisers had determined to attack Iraq long before any public discussion of the subject and they picked on “weapons of mass destruction” as the excuse on the basis of its saleability. So it was an aggression built on a lie and the ultimate in a “trumped up case.” On the “working within the international system,” the UN Charter is basic to a meaningful international system and the invasion was a gross violation of that key ingredient. He brags that we didn’t steal their resources and eventually got out. He doesn’t point out that we got out only after many years of killing and destruction which actually helped create a resistance that, in effect, pushed us out. He doesn’t mention that our major international law violation in Iraq was responsible for the death of probably a million people, the creation of four million refugees, and huge material destruction. By contrast, that awful Russian action in the Crimea seems to have resulted in fewer than half a dozen deaths.’
http://linkis.com/zcomm.org/zmagazine/7QXzo

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 13:56 utc | 9

Roza Kazan ‏@rozakazancctv 3h
Donetsk people’s republic hands notice firing Oleg Djolos as head of local TV & Radio station #Донецк pic.twitter.com/enNKSlvX7A

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 14:27 utc | 10

What about Ukraine’s Gold, which Ukraine’s new Fascist Government
promptly sent over to US
“At 2 a.m. this morning [March 7] an unmarked transport plane was on the runway at Borispol Airport (right) [east of Kiev]. According to airport staff, before the plane came to the airport, four trucks and two Volkswagen minibuses arrived, all the truck license plates missing.”

Posted by: chris m | Apr 29 2014 14:29 utc | 11

You could also do volume calculations. See here. It requires 10 standard pallets to hold $1B. A US semi trailer (53′ long) holds 26 standard pallets, or 52 pallets stacked 2 high. Chock full, each semi would hold $5.2B, so you’d need…6 semis. So weight rather than volume would govern.

Posted by: Browning | Apr 29 2014 14:33 utc | 12

b asks:
“How much can one trust a prosecutor general when that person makes such obvious ridiculous claims?”

And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower — the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, “There’s one terrible pilot.” And I said, “It must have been a horrible accident.” – 12/4/01
Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff — well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or — anyway, I’m sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, “America is under attack.” – 12/22/02
– George W. Bush, POTUS

I preface my comment with the above to show that unlike bevin I don’t think the credibility of the MSM is “rapidly deteriorating” but rather TPTB have hit upon/discovered/created the propagandistic mechanism whereby even the most criminally damning statements – much less all of the other more innocuous and mundane fairy tales, e.g. the ones in b’s OP – can be allowed without fear of any sort of reprisal.
All of this blatant nonsense propaganda horseshit is MEANT to attract the attention of conscientious people as it is the very technique by which TPTB wish to control the masses. What is very very very hard for sincerely well-intentioned people everywhere to wrap their minds around is that TPTB don’t fucking care if you debunk their claims anymore – they to a person made a pact on 2001 that they were “all in” concerning their new reality-building consensus and part of that reality-building was the apparatus by which to keep the minds of the conscientious busy: debunkable lie after debunkable lie ad infinitum with just enough changess/shifts in topic – e.g., Libya to Syria to Snowden to Ukraine etc, to keep the intrepid folk busy documenting/debunking all of the lies when in reality we should have by this time already had MORE THAN ENOUGH murder/rape/maiming/theft that we shouldn’t be paying any attention to what TPTB do/say any more but organizing the means by which to end their reign.
It is hard for people who value the truth to know that their pursuance of the truth on a daily basis is part and parcel of the program/cage our overlords have fashioned for us. Note: this is why I keep bringing up 9/11 as I feel that event can clearly be seen as the incipience/roll-out date for this new paradigm. If you’re going to pursue truth in a time like this it is most worthwhile – IMO – to go after it in ways that strike at the heart of program we are all suffering under.
It is a hard pill to swallow and I am in no way saying I’m immune from falling prey to it as attempts to relegate discovering the truth of situations goes against my inherent nature as it does for many here. Maybe it’s because I exist in the belly of the beast of lies the US and have daily seen the utter murderous war crimes go unaddressed and unpunished for years while others outside the US are only discovering what this new MO is all about. TPTB were very smart to initiate roll-out of their reality-creation paradigm with an event so fantastic that exposition of every other crime seems trifling in comparison to many. In addition, there is the inherent belief that given the weight of enough exposed lies/malfeasance every regime will finally have to topple. My question: isn’t this belief based in the fact that TPTB necessarily care about/value truth? what if the elite have all agreed that truth is NO LONGER something to countenance? But, naysayers will ask, wouldn’t we have evidence of the entire elite class agreeing to such a paradigm? Wouldn’t we be able to tell if TPTB at some point did indeed get together and agree that truth was for the pissants and peons and not something that any longer made the world go ’round? Hmmm, what could that be….
We well-intentioned posters will be here at MOA next year at this time debunking the latest propaganda concerning the latest outrages and war crimes but the litany of those unpunished crimes will keep accreting year after year after year until we have said “Enough” and “No More”. They blew up three skyscrapers on TV and in our fucking faces and people didn’t say any of those things. My question is: what is it going to take – is it even possible – for people to reach the point of “Enough” and “No More” when they are constantly being giving ever more nonsense to debunk.
Worse, our greatest fear should be that this US tactic of “reality-creation” and its acceptance by the local PTB has/been is spreading to everywhere the malignant US goes. False flags in Syria, false flags in Ukraine, the hewing to nonsensical economic paradigms and visions by an near unanimous EU…where does it end? Truth doesn’t mean anything in the US or anywhere it goes and Putin et al have hopefully finally learned what truly is at stake: the victory of Americanism is literally the end of truth as an essential component of human civilization.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 29 2014 14:49 utc | 13

Directly related to the issue of sanctions on the purchasing power of individuals is today’s post US Moves to Catch Horses Just After They Escape the Barn” [April 29, 2014] by Marcy Wheeler, which includes links to Peter Baker’s recent NYTimes article on Putin, as well as Sibel Edmond’s recent (and year old) article on same subject.
Also of interest (your thought’s “b”, and others) on what to make of the reporting of Chuck Hagel’s phone call with Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoygu
I would be interested in knowing what was agreed to re the “Government of Ukraine”.

“Minister Shoygu reiterated his assurance that Russian forces would not invade Ukraine.
… , Sec. Hagel reiterated the right of the Government of Ukraine to preserve law and order within its own borders.
… Sec. Hagel and Min. Shoygu agreed that the two leaders should have continued conversations seeking a way forward.”

Posted by: erichwwk | Apr 29 2014 15:00 utc | 14

erichwwk
That they can do whatever and still that stupid Hagel will back them.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 29 2014 15:02 utc | 15

The media tends to focus on corruption associated with the Party of regions, while remaining silent on that if the other oligarchs. We never hear about Blair and Clinton’s crony, Pinchuk.
Recently I read Kolomoisky being quoted as saying he was paying for fuel for Pro-Kiev forces.
I will say it again, that this East vs West split and the Russophobia is largely, though not exclusively , noise to protect the oligarchs involvement in this. The louder the nazis get, the less the public thinks about other players affecting the dynamics.

Posted by: Tea | Apr 29 2014 15:13 utc | 16

re Anonymous #1, and the Kyiv Post, wondering that myself.
Democracy Now had Christopher Miller on this morning.
What is the relationship of that paper to the OSCE and US intervention? I do note that the editor, Brian Bonner,

has served as a political analyst with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe during six election observation missions in Ukraine, Belarus, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan.

Posted by: erichwwk | Apr 29 2014 15:19 utc | 17

Here’s a terrific Crosstalk featuring Stephen Cohen and John Mearsheimer. “Containment 2.0”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9674pRBm6g&feature=player_detailpage

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 29 2014 15:28 utc | 18

What the hell is Canada doing sending amateur election monitors and so many?
“Neither CIDA nor the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade have the in-house resources, or the required expertise, to perform this function on short timelines.”
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/04/29/canada-chooses-rookie-ukraine-monitor-groups/#.U1_EzfldWpd

Posted by: TikTok | Apr 29 2014 15:35 utc | 19

Here’s a bullshit article from The Daily Beast.
The secretary of state claimed in a private meeting that the U.S. intelligence community has recordings of pro-Russian forces being managed by government handlers in Moscow.
The United States has proof that the Russian government in Moscow is running a network of spies inside eastern Ukraine because the U.S. government has recordings of their conversations, Secretary of State John Kerry said in a closed-door meeting Friday.
“Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington. A recording of Kerry’s remarks was obtained by The Daily Beast.
Kerry didn’t name specific Russian officials implicated in the recordings. But he claimed that the intercepts provided proof of the Russians deliberately fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine—and lying about it to U.S. officials and the public.
“It’s not an accident that you have some of the same people identified who were in Crimea and in Georgia and who are now in east Ukraine,” said Kerry. “This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century. It’s thuggism, it’s rogue state-ism. It’s the worst order of behavior.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/29/kerry-u-s-taped-moscow-s-calls-to-its-ukraine-spies.html

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 29 2014 15:50 utc | 20

And in US dollars, too. Very useful at the local супермаркет.
But then maybe it was in Hryvnia and Mr Makhnitsky has kindly converted it for us silly Westerners. You know, so we get what they’re on about.
It was actually ₴360,000,000,000
Based on the same weight as US currency, that’s 200 trucks. Quite a convoy

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 29 2014 16:08 utc | 21

With us or against us, same old tune
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/100086/Egypt/Politics-/Fahmy-quizzed-on-Russia-relationship-during-US-vis.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Apr 29 2014 16:36 utc | 22

okie farmer
Holy F@ck these people are paranoid!

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 29 2014 16:54 utc | 23

Maybe he took it on his laptop in the form of bitcoins?

Posted by: ralphieboy | Apr 29 2014 16:58 utc | 24

“This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence,…”
It certainly is.
Kerry has turned into a mill churning out Freudian slips.
He calls Russian policy “an insult to the Intelligence” because he knows that that is the obvious verdict on his own policies.
Then he talks more specifically of ” our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century. It’s thuggism, it’s rogue state-ism. It’s the worst order of behavior.”
And again he is obviously describing not Russian but US behaviour, which for the past several decades and certainly throughout this young century, has been characterised by its thuggish contempt for international law, and for the crude brutality of its military actions.
None of these charges applies to Russia which has sat on its hands wailing softly while the US has brutalised half the nations on earth. But they all apply to the US and specifically to Kerry’s lies and hypocrisies.
I suspect that the same can be shown of the Jekyll and Hyde trickster in the White House- the warmonger with the Peace Prize, the assassin in chief who wants gun control, the idiot who actually compared the Iraq invasion- favourably- with Crimea’s referendum. And then talked proudly of the referendum in Kossovo that never was.
These people are driving themselves crazy.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 29 2014 17:03 utc | 25

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 29, 2014 10:49:04 AM | 13
“…the victory of Americanism is literally the end of truth as an essential component of human civilization.”
Bravo! Brilliant post (and measured in tone), thank you.
This paradigm shift to “Americanism” began with the 911 crime, whose audacity induced a cognitive dissonance in our societies that is still virulent today.
I think discussion and analysis are still important but action is the only way out of this nightmare. How we/anyone can make that happen is still a puzzle (to me, anyway) and a cause of depression and apathy.

Posted by: Barry | Apr 29 2014 17:41 utc | 26

Bevin, I think their brains are inside out. Their inside is out, and their outside is in, to quote John Lennon, and what in reality is the description of their own behaviour appears to them as the behaviour of the other, while what in reality is the description of the behaviour of the other, appears to them as their own. Someone, or perhaps some organised group, must have snuck around during that fateful night (whichever night it was), and turned all their brains inside out as they hung on the little rails which are provided on bedside cabinets for this purpose, as part of a very remarkable plan. Don’t you think?

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 29 2014 17:44 utc | 27

Saying $32 billion in cash sounds so much more dramatic than Yanukovich had his lawyers and accountants electronically transfer his account balances to banks in Russia.

Posted by: ess emm | Apr 29 2014 17:47 utc | 28

Yeah, Cash is so Old World. It’s all bits and bytes these days and transferring them from one microchip to the next. The value is perception, nothing more, but perception’s a powerful vice.
Talking about math, I’m trying to calculate how long I’d be able to continue blogging if I resided in Russia considering Putin’s recent crackdown on Bloggers. How long I’d live considering the same condition is another calculation I’m working on. I’m looking at the actuarial tables right now but they haven’t been updated with the latest changes per Putin’s internet legislation.
Views to a Kill

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Apr 29 2014 18:13 utc | 29

i like the words “The obvious answer does not bode well for the Ukrainian coup government’s plans for attracting outside investors.”
the same applies to people relying on the FT as a good source of information
ie the reputation of the FT as an unbiased/reputable news source.
refer to video starring Peter Oborne on youtube (idiots of the EU)
“Brussels Eurocrat walks out of Newsnight interview (28Sept11)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etpH6_BtZRM

Posted by: chris m | Apr 29 2014 18:23 utc | 30

@29
Russia is almost under direct attack, so this procedure is absolutely normal.

Posted by: Scan | Apr 29 2014 18:48 utc | 31

“The good thing here is that Financial Times readers are usually somewhat sophisticated and will likely recognize such an idiot for what he is.”
Like readers of the NYT are. LOL

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 29 2014 19:03 utc | 32

Posted by: Tea | Apr 29, 2014 9:12:14 AM | 124 (Ukraine: Developments …)
“Wasn’t he with Biden?
He’s giving Interviews.”
The trip was right before he met with Biden. He spent 4-5 days in Israel and was probably briefed in Israel, and then passed on those instructions to Biden.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.586684 Ukraine’s leading presidential candidate visited Israel in secret, asked for public support
“Poroshenko arrived in Israel secretly last Thursday for a very low-profile, private visit of a few days. He did not make his arrival public, and both the President’s Office and the Israeli Foreign Ministry kept quiet about the visit. It was not until after his return to Ukraine on Monday night that Poroshenko reported on his visit.”

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 29 2014 19:12 utc | 33

http://www.voltairenet.org/article183533.html Polish Attorney General confirms investigation into training of Pravy Sector agents in Poland
But then falsely claims they didn’t.
Poland has one of the most corrupted regimes on the planet. It’s as if people who most closely resembled the “Polish joke” stereotypes were selected to run the country by the western puppet masters.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 29 2014 19:30 utc | 34

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 29, 2014 3:12:37 PM | 33
Interesting…
Thank you.

Posted by: Tea | Apr 29 2014 20:44 utc | 35

Tymoshenko says he (also?) went to Vienna.
Not that I beleive what she says.
“The FBI had initiated a criminal [bribery] case against Firtash [and] found him in Vienna. Poroshenko and [politician Vitali] Klitschko went recently to Vienna and met Firtash, Lyovochkin and Boikin there. ”
Link

Posted by: Tea | Apr 29 2014 21:01 utc | 36

Re- JS Sorrentine 13
Good post- thanks and keep going.

Posted by: bassalt | Apr 29 2014 21:24 utc | 37

This site is really laughable. How can educated people be so stupid? Putin needs a swift kick in the ass. None of this is his business.

Posted by: Michael Garland | Apr 29 2014 21:42 utc | 38

And a truckload of bullshit is pretty heavy as well but you seem to carry it around without difficulty.

Posted by: Michael Garland | Apr 29 2014 21:45 utc | 39

thanks for your in-depth geopolitical analysis Michael Trolland, enjoy the rest of your Chuck Norris Netflix queue.

Posted by: zingaro | Apr 29 2014 22:04 utc | 40

@38-9
Was there a point to anything you just said?
There is criticism to be made of this site, but im pretty sure that wasnt it. I cant even tell what youre criticizing.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 29 2014 22:10 utc | 41

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 22:24 utc | 42

‘Talking about math, I’m trying to calculate how long I’d be able to continue blogging if I resided in Russia considering Putin’s recent crackdown on Bloggers. How long I’d live considering the same condition is another calculation I’m working on. I’m looking at the actuarial tables right now but they haven’t been updated with the latest changes per Putin’s internet legislation.
Views to a Kill’
Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Apr 29, 2014 2:13:21 PM | 29
a calculating troll…interesting

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 22:28 utc | 43

How about electronic transfers? Would that have been possible?

Posted by: popolopen | Apr 29 2014 22:33 utc | 44

1. Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 5 hrs
German media is going nuts about #Schröder’s birthday party with his friend #Putin, saying he is backstabbing the gov http://www.tagesschau.de/kommentar/schroeder354.html …
(they hate him for his freedom)
1. Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 5h
#Ukraine #Lugansk Now people are singing Katyusha in front of surrounded police HQ
• patty donovan ‏@PattyDs50 5h
@Steiner1776 a song about a girl longing for her beloved. Ukraine singing about it’s long beloved Russia.. hope they unite soon

Posted by: brian | Apr 29 2014 22:56 utc | 45

This site is really laughable. How can educated people be so stupid? Putin needs a swift kick in the ass. None of this is his business.
Posted by: Michael Garland | Apr 29, 2014 5:42:03 PM | 38
In my travels I keep running into a boatload of neocon thread invaders like Mr.Garland. Their talking points are less imaginative than their comments so they are probably either on the government dole or otherwise on the payroll of a ‘private’ contractor or just Democratic party twits enforcing the Obama-Kerry charge over a cliff so that the Dems can’t be called “chicken” come November.

Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 29 2014 23:30 utc | 46

@cornhole 29
I heartily encourage to move to Russia and give it a try. Dosvydania

Posted by: skuppers | Apr 29 2014 23:37 utc | 47

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/170735/josef-zissels-yivo
Israel seems to be testing the waters how far out on the limb to go on this one, as former ticketless cosmopolitan
re-emerges.

Posted by: amspirnational | Apr 30 2014 0:07 utc | 48

Posted by: Barry | Apr 29, 2014 1:41:50 PM | 26
9-11-2001 was caused by US Zionist-dominated imperialism’s finally making so many enemies the “homeland” did not remain immune.
The paradigm shift was halted in the world’s eyes and most of Americans by the Iraq War and rather swiftly.
Obama is seen for the liar he is-the US did not leave Iraq in a fully sovereign state willingly-it was forced out, exhausted.
A sofa agreement rejected. The war was initated opportunistically by the Israeli Lobby with oiligarchs piggybacking thereon.
The balance of the world also realizes that the United States banking system collapsed the world economy and that
since the criminals control the government they were never punished.

Posted by: amspirnational | Apr 30 2014 0:24 utc | 49

@okie farmer: the CrossTalk really is excellent. In 30 minutes it encapsulates not only what has happened in three months in Ukraine but also what has happened over the last 25 years in the United States. Really one of the best shows I have seen on the crisis in particular, and on foreign affairs in general.
What is clear is that even at the highest levels of US intellectual life – everyone is in agreement that the elite is completely out of touch. And this is an elite that is unprecedentedly powerful, and elite that has in recent years killed millions and broken countless countries – and yet still views itself – in its media and in its inner circle – as a “benign power”. It is self-delusion at the level of pathology.
@JS, excellent post in tone and content. It is maybe just an interesting tidbit, but I’m fascinated by the fact that even Himmler felt he had to lie – and foresaw that he would have to lie forever – about the Final Solution.

I also want to mention a very difficult subject before you here, completely openly.
It should be discussed amongst us, and yet, nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public.
Just as we did not hesitate on June 30 to carry out our duty, as ordered, and stand comrades who had failed against the wall and shoot them.
About which we have never spoken, and never will speak.
That was, thank God, a kind of tact natural to us, a foregone conclusion of that tact, that we have never conversed about it amongst ourselves, never spoken about it, everyone shuddered, and everyone was clear that the next time, he would do the same thing again, if it were commanded and necessary.
I am talking about the “Jewish evacuation”: the extermination of the Jewish people.

It’s interesting, this sort of idea that open evil must be hidden, and I think is what puts us ultimately as humans the enemy of all who would try to rule us, because there is this sense of human justice that humanity in its great mass will always abide by, and yet it is quite simple – almost a requirement of wielding power – to go past that point of justice.
I don’t know where I’m going with this. It’s just an interesting bit of history, and possibly applicable to your post.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 30 2014 1:04 utc | 50

@50 The reference material. Himmle’s Posen Speeches [full text].

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 30 2014 1:07 utc | 51

@ 41
Don’t feed the virtual trolls. It is nonsense because you are responding to an algorithm.

Posted by: HAHA | Apr 30 2014 1:26 utc | 52

I think the most interesting and noticeable shift is in how TPTB – speaking of the US mainly now – has taken care of/tended to dissent and any adverse reactions in the peon rabble.
Previously (and this is all well-documented), by manufacturing counter-culture movements that glamorized nihilistic decadence – sex, drugs, rock and roll etc. – TPTB and their intelligence minions were able to capture/destroy more than enough conscientious minds among the rabble so as to effectively neuter movements. I’m sure there’s a document somewhere that even speaks to the exact percentages needed for such faux populi movements to be effective at short-circuiting said movements.
However, if you fast forward to today – meaning the last 10+ years or so – what is remarkable is that the counter-culture by and large is pretty tame in comparison. The allure of nihilism in any form is not promoted as nearly as heavily as it once was. Hackers and other tech idols have been created/allowed (a number of verbs could potentially go here) to take the places previously held by such seemingly anti-establishment but really Establishment performers/celebrities. What does this tell us?
A first reaction might be that the “kids” have gotten smarter. That this latest generation has “wised up” and since their are “born digital”(fucking puke) they aren’t as apt to fall into the life/mind-destroying behaviors of previous generations.
However, knowing the truly nefarious and long-standing connections between big tech and big intel, one really has to wonder if the latest counter-culture rollout – that of the super kewel Digital Age (trademark) – is not the single most effective means by which to stymie ANY sort of actual organization etc etc. Of course naysayers would shout that there’s just NO WAY that all of these great tech geniuses could be in on it but like the hippies et al it would only take a few WITTING dupes to guide the other UNWITTING dupes into line and into supporting aims that are 180 degrees AWAY from what they originally thought they were involved in.
However, this go around instead of wasting away through acid-induced partying only the most rebellious and active(?) members of a society TPTB now have a mechanism by which they are wasting away the rebellious AND conscientious (but less rebellious) members of our society. Instead of chasing the heroin dragon, we are now all chasing the lie dragon. And there are so many many more of us busily type type typing away. How clever.
Again, I am personally part of this information gathering and debunking and it feels like the right thing to do but I look around and it’s too quiet I fear. Every conscientious person is seemingly engaged in the same activity and we all believe – to varying degrees – that this activity will lead to something better. Again, the empire will fall under the weight of its lies.
But will it?
Looking at the utter disregard any American leader/elite member has for anything resembling the truth – not just 9/11 – and how they continue lying to a degree that’s clearly in the ballpark of psychosis leads me to believe that maybe there really is something different this time. Again, we’re not talking about fudging numbers or spinning facts. We are talking about the whole cloth manufacture of nonsense fairy tales that TO A PERSON is agreed upon by the world’s largest military power and the leaders of nearly of Europe, the cradle of Western Civilization. That this “quietness” is not a bug of the Digital Age but a feature nay THE feature that our betters wanted all along.
Just keep on typing your little blogs, fuckers, you’re just killing us. No really. Chortle.
Got to go.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 30 2014 2:22 utc | 53

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 29, 2014 10:22:18 PM | 53
Somehow, I get the feeling you never loaded a couple of fun loving women into your van and spent the weekend rambling along the coast. 🙂

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 30 2014 2:47 utc | 54

@38
Then you must believe Vicki Nuland, the WH and the State Dept. all need a boot from ass too mouth and back again because this is none of their business at all. Even though they think it is, it isn’t.
In fact they, like you, seem to have more balls than brains.

Posted by: Prey4Justice | Apr 30 2014 2:55 utc | 55

Adding:
Instead of every kid now wanting to be a rock star/princess – though that’s still there of course in Disneyfied fashion – they all want to be a tech gazillionaire by the time there 14.
Also, reinforcing the tech-savvy population to stay in front of their computers was very easily accomplished through what I consider the psyop of Occupy. Note: I don’t want to debate my opinion of that here but humor me and let’s say like the Boston Bombing and Sandy Hook there were psyop elements in all of three cases.
What would be the important psyop goal for Occupy? I’ve said before that Occupy was created to be a pressure valve to release pent up tensions concerning the financial crisis but the biggest take away was really: American cops will fucking beat your ass and destroy you shit especially your computers and devices(the horror).
Now, if crisis actors and others were willing a al BB and SH to be involved in an event in which people supposedly died, don’t you think they would also willingly be involved in events in which well placed cameras just happened to be there to film some of the most blatant and disturbing acts committed against unarmed/peaceful civilian in US history? I remember seeing some of the footage of some of the people being arrested and beaten and thinking “That chick/dude is screaming super loud and the cop is not even really touching her yet! Why, wouldn’t that be a great trick to have some cop cronies/ex-military dudes dress up as/join the Occupy protestors and then have their fascist comrades mace/beat them full-on (or so we think) so that any other fucking kids in the suburbs watching on the glimmer pads would never think to come downtown and join up.” Pretty clever, eh? During the Egyptian and Syrian uprisings there were plenty of videos of people falsifying injuries etc for maximum effect. Why would the people funding THOSE operations – i.e., US Intel – not do the same things domestically?
Anyways the big takeaway: Probably safer – and more effective (nervous giggle) – to stay home and post about it all, kids.
Really gotta go.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 30 2014 3:03 utc | 56

Hearing Fursov speak of “the great French geopolitical analyst Alexandre Del Valle” calls his judgment if not his crediblity into question.

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Apr 30 2014 3:09 utc | 57

I’m fascinated by the fact that even Himmler felt he had to lie – and foresaw that he would have to lie forever – about the Final Solution. Posted by: guest77 | Apr 29, 2014 9:04:56 PM | 50

Himmler’s Posen speech is probably bullshit, like most things in US history books. When Himmler convenently specifies “the extermination of the Jewish people,” this should already cause you doubt, because it is most certainly not the terminology he would have used, even assuming he had made this speech in the first place. Equally, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to claim that anyone there thought it clever to write down what they were being told should never be written down, does it? These are people selected for their loyalty unto death, which presumably includes not doing the exact thing you boss is telling you not to do. So I suggest you pour this particular piece of historical koolaid down the sink.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 30 2014 3:55 utc | 58

brian@9
Very nice analysis –thank-you
JS @13
Very thought provoking comment. I was reminded of the following remark made on Wkiquote re Karl Rove:
The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore.” He continued “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

Posted by: Phantastron | Apr 30 2014 3:58 utc | 59

@Rowan Berkeley #58:
Philosophers call that a performative contradiction. In this case, you see to it that your speech which says that what it is about must never be written down gets written down and preserved.
Perhaps Himmler was a precursor of deconstructionism. Was he an influence on Paul de Man?

Posted by: Demian | Apr 30 2014 4:47 utc | 60

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 29, 2014 11:55:04 PM | 58
Oh poor Rowan. Himmler’s own words validating the existence of the holocaust. All you can say is “bull shit”. When evidence overwhelms, respond with some grand conspiracy against your preconceived beliefs. You often offer some interesting analyses of politics but your hatred of the Jews just keeps on coming through. Accept the reality. The holocaust really happened. Why the denial?

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 30 2014 5:30 utc | 61

@okie farmer #18:
Yes, as Peter Lavelle said, that was one of the best Crosstalks ever.
I wasn’t expecting Cohen and Mearsheimer to be in such agreement. I have two criticisms of what they said, though.
(1) They both made the point that during the Cold War, there was a kind of debate of whether there should be a rapprochement with Russia/the Soviet Union that isn’t occurring now. No one in Washington is saying that Russia has been justified in how it is behaving on the Ukraine. But neither of them had an explanation for this change. The closest to it was Mearsheimer saying that after the collapse of the USSR, the US got used to being the world hegemon, so its elites lost the ability to think at conflicts from the point of view of rival powers.
But I think there is something else going on that they didn’t bring up. The US has become hollowed out in all sorts of ways. The Obama administration is acting as if the US is in the same position that it was in at the end of WW II, but that isn’t the case at all, of course. US power is now based on essentially running a confidence game. Russia preventing the US getting its way in the Ukraine would make the world see clearer than ever that US power is largely a carefully maintained illusion. That is why the US is being so obstinate with respect to Russia: because it has no plan B in case it is not able to maintain full spectrum dominance.
(2) Cohen said that the possibility of war between the US and Russia is a real possibility. I still don’t believe that. He said that if Russia invades the Ukraine, NATO might respond by invading eastern Ukraine from Poland. I don’t believe that Obama is stupid enough to do that. And if he were, the generals wouldn’t let him, because they know that Russia would decimate any NATO forces that went into the Ukraine. (guest77 has criticized me for this position, but my position is also that of the Saker, and as we all know, the Saker is the absolute, final authority on all matters Russian and military. (That was a joke.)

Posted by: Demian | Apr 30 2014 5:43 utc | 62

@ guest77 | 50

I am talking about the “Jewish evacuation”: the extermination of the Jewish people.

In German Himmler says of “uprooting of the Jewish people”, i.e. most likely meaning – deporting them, not of their extermination. Its a long standing tradition among Western propagandists to mistranslate what “evil leaders” say, should I remind you of current “wipe Jews off the map” or alleged recording which “proves how Assad gassed his own people”?
As far as I’m aware, there is no confirmed nazi order of genocide of the Jews, not to say it didnt happened, but mass killing happened of many nations, not just Jews. Like genocide of Romanies (gypsies), Polish, Russians (died more than 10x than Jews), etc.

Posted by: Harry | Apr 30 2014 5:53 utc | 63

@ 57 Cu Chulainn
I know nothing about Alexandre Del Valle, as yet – sadly I’m short of the time to explore and appreciate your comment – but I just watched Andrei Fursov’s whole lecture, and I’m very impressed.
I wanted to share this link with MoA anyway – this came from a comment at Saker and has been well received – Russian with very good subtitles:
Oligarchical topography of Ukraine. Andrei Fursov – YouTube
Fursov seems to be talking to a small group of his students – at first I thought this was an intelligence briefing, he reduces facts to the bone so tautly. He’s explaining the historical position of Russia as a state that could only ever suit Western interests by ceasing to exist, and that this is still the situation today, which puts current events in their orderly perspective.
And he elucidates the future course for Russia. He talks of restraining the Fifth Column (which already seems to be happening with headlines I see but haven’t read yet about new constraints on bloggers). And of taking the battle to the enemy. Interesting times ahead.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 30 2014 6:18 utc | 64

also, per #64, I didn’t make it clear, in the first part of the video he details the oligarch clans that run Ukraine – so Yanukovych and Tymoshenko have their family clans in certain regions for example – and ties the clans to international banking names we’re familiar with – and also makes reference to such clans as run current US policy. To me all this is a perspective that really sits up and talks.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 30 2014 6:27 utc | 65

@Grieved #64:

I … haven’t read yet about new constraints on bloggers

Constraints on bloggers? Russia isn’t China. Russia had glasnost, remember? That left an impression. Bloggers are by definition individuals, not organized groups, and the Russian government has no intention of restricting the speech of bloggers more than it does that of individuals in general. (Certain speech is restricted, such as the promotion of gay lifestyles or the rehabilitation of Nazism.)
The main threat to a free internet today is the United States, with its abandonment of net neutrality.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 30 2014 6:38 utc | 66

Demian | Apr 30, 2014 1:43:14 AM | 62
You question why there does not seem to be a broader debate inside our government concerning alternative policies. I do not doubt that this is true in recent decades compared to the days of the cold war. George Ball and George Kennan remained major players inside Washington in their day. I think we can include Nitze, James Baker, Scowcroft and, ugh, even Kissinger, to that realist school. Though they might not have been that effective in changing policies at least their voices were heard in the inner sanctums. Today this does not seem to be the case. That is what Stephen Cohen was talking about. I do not know why this has changed. But it seems pretty clear that there are no voices of reason inside the Obama admin nor was there during the previous admin. I suspect, Clinton’s admin was equally deficient in alternative views. Something has changed and all I can do is speculate on why that change occurred. Your guess is just that, but I can’t refute it.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 30 2014 7:39 utc | 67

Demian
Actually I think Stephen might be right about war. Just look at west/nato/US have they been rational since the conflict started?
Just take this new crazy speech by kerry.
http://rt.com/news/155780-kerry-nato-russia-challente/

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 30 2014 7:54 utc | 68

@ToivoS #67:
Fair enough, my explanation is just a guess. But you aren’t even trying to provide an alternative guess.
If you look at this intuitively, the USG is behaving like a wounded, cornered wild animal, blindly thrashing around. Russia, meanwhile, just calmly engages in diplomacy. Which country is behaving like a power in irreversible decline, and which like a nation which is sure of its place in the world?

Posted by: Demian | Apr 30 2014 7:54 utc | 69

Posted by: Demian | Apr 30, 2014 1:43:14 AM | 62
Your (1) comment is very insightful. And it’s not just the U.S. and its leadership class that is dependent on the illusion of overwhelming U.S. power, but also all of its Western puppets/allies. The paychecks of most of those puppet/ally leaders also depend on preventing a multi-polar world, and they cling now to a comfortable and simple diplomatic life (DO WHAT U.S. SAYS!). They don’t have the imagination, historical knowledge, and diplomatic skills required in a multi-polar future. Need new leaders, probably especially in Germany …

Posted by: fairleft | Apr 30 2014 8:08 utc | 70

@44
Article says cash.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 30 2014 8:15 utc | 71

Demian | Apr 30, 2014 3:54:59 AM | 69
I actually agree with your comment here. But I remain puzzled why there do not seem to be any voices inside State or the Obama admin that could provide them with some good old fashioned realist advice. It seems pretty clear that they are thrashing around without any coherent strategy. I think Stephen Cohen is really concerned about that. I happen to share his worry that the incompetence at the top might result in all out war. I do not think it is likely but one can imagine a number of scenarios where unforseen circumstances followed by bad decisions spin out of control and, in spite of the intentions of Obama and Kerry, war breaks out. Even if the chances of that happening are only 1 in 20, that is too high to even contemplate. Certainly, no insurance company would sell you a policy for protection against WWIII if they thought there was a 5% chance of it happening in the immediate future.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 30 2014 8:28 utc | 72

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 30, 2014 4:15:03 AM | 71 “@44 Article says cash.”
Exactly but not only that but the Ukrainian government has only a $4 billion reserve. There is no bank on the planet that would honor a $38 billion transfer coming from Ukraine. Just too absurd for words.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 30 2014 8:34 utc | 73

Folks, it’s lunatics:
Mad Men: The Lunatic Fringe That Leads the West
Written by Chris Floyd
Tuesday, 29 April 2014 12:32
I had in mind to write about Tony Blair’s remarkable regurgitation of bloodlust and bile last week. The former British PM managed to tear himself away from his consulting work for dictatorships and other lucrative sidelines long enough to make a “major speech” calling for — guess what? — even more military intervention in the endless, global “War on Terror.” The fact that this war on terror — which he did so much to exacerbate during his time in power, not least in his mass-murder partnership with George W. Bush in Iraq — has actually spawned more terror, and left the primary ‘enemy,’ al Qaeda and its related groups, more powerful than ever, has obviously escaped the great global visionary. No doubt his mad, messianic glare — coupled with the dazzling glow of self-love — makes it hard for the poor wretch to see reality.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/2388-mad-men-the-lunatic-fringe-that-leads-the-west.html

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 30 2014 8:59 utc | 74

@Anonymous #68:
Fortunately, Kerry isn’t SecDef. Also, now that he has called Israel the ‘A’ word, his tenure at State may be close to over.
No, west/nato/US have not been rational since this conflict started, but there really is a disconnect between the Beltway and the rest of America when it comes to this latest conflict with Russia. Given that, I see very little chance of this developing into something like the Cuban Missile Crisis. In the Cold War, there was a real conflict between two rival ideologies. Today, what is happening is that Western leaders are acting like spoiled bullies who need to be taught a lesson. I think that both the Russian military and the American military realize that there isn’t anything that is worth their fighting about now, so the American generals together with the Russian generals will keep us from getting into a war. It is said that the two are in regular contact.
If you and I can understand that west/nato/US are being crazy, I think that American generals can understand that, too. (NATO is a political organization at least as much as it is a military organization.) All the NATO countries other than the US are a joke when looked at as military powers, so I think American generals would feel lonely if there wasn’t another military power—Russia—that they can take seriously. And after the end of the Cold War, American generals have had no quarrel with Russian generals. American generals can live with Russia being a sovereign nation; it is American civilian geostrategists and politicians that can’t.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 30 2014 9:22 utc | 75

Demian
I think you are right generally here, you are rational but I dont think for 1 sec that either kerry or the generals are, these are the people responsible for the mess we are seeing now. RT now reports that the kiev warmonger again that the russians will attack soon. It is these kind of irrational acts that can start something bad..

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 30 2014 9:47 utc | 76

Elite German special forces unit ready to storm Slavyansk to release OSCE observers
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_30/Elite-German-special-forces-unit-ready-to-storm-Slavyansk-to-release-OSCE-observers-0943/
The “4th reich” to the rescue.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 30 2014 10:22 utc | 77

New poll showing americans are fed up with interventions
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/04/30/360694/americans-tired-of-us-interventionism/

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 30 2014 10:36 utc | 78

Russian Market @russian_market · 2h
Congo president: Africa needs Russia.
#Translated China needs Africa http://on.rt.com/htyfux pic.twitter.com/UOcrTNrGas

Posted by: brian | Apr 30 2014 10:46 utc | 79

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 30, 2014 6:22:47 AM | 77
a real nazi invasion./.that will please the people of Donbass!
wll russia counter with Speznas?

Posted by: brian | Apr 30 2014 10:47 utc | 80

must view
oligarchical topogaphy of Ukraine: talk by Andrei Fursov
http://youtu.be/GXLUJpqaQpY

Posted by: brian | Apr 30 2014 10:49 utc | 81

@Damien 62
I too doubt if the US/Nato will go to war in Ukraine. However, Steve Cohen in another interview noted certain troubling remarks made by Obama on April 17th:

You left out one thing that he said which I consider to be unwise and possibly reckless. He went on to say that Russia wouldn’t go to war with us because our conventional weapons are superior.
That is an exceedingly provocative thing to say. And he seems to be unaware, President Obama, that Russian military doctrine says that when confronted by overwhelming conventional forces, we can use nuclear weapons. They mean tactical nuclear weapons.
I don’t think any informed president, his handlers, would have permitted him to make such a statement. In fact, depending on how far you want to take this conversation about the Obama administration, I don’t recall in my lifetime, in confrontations with Russia, an administration—I speak now of the president and his secretary of state—who seem in their public statements to be so misinformed, even uninformed, both about Ukraine and Russia.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/4/17/we_are_not_beginning_a_new

Posted by: sleepy | Apr 30 2014 11:35 utc | 82

@13 JS
A great measured ‘view from 36,000 feet’, but as an arms-dealer friend of mine offered, the only thing you see from 36,000 feet is little puffs of smoke. His advice was to find a way to make as much wealth as you can, as fast as you can, before government takes it all away. And now they’re coming for your SSTF, and you know what? They’ll get it. Then you’ll have to log onto MoA from a Library, after you stop by the Soup Kitchen to clean up in the lavatory. Then they’ll close the Library. Then the Police will beat you for Vagrancy. Do not loiter!!

Posted by: Chin Bikh | Apr 30 2014 11:47 utc | 83

@78 Anon
And I’m sure the Kühe are fed up with the loafing shed.
That doesn’t mean Americans won’t get milked … hard!

Posted by: Chin Bikh | Apr 30 2014 11:51 utc | 84

I don’t know what the usage is outside the US, but in US English “cash” now means currency or bits in a computer identified as “Cash” depending on context. The paper stuff by itself can be “cash” or “currency”. What the US flew in to Iraq during the Bush administration was currency.
Did anyone see a 22-truck convoy trundling in the direction of Russia? Otherwise, I would assume that the Svoboda report involves the transfer of some other “cash” value besides the Ukrainian hryvynas. And that it was done electronically.
How much “cash” did the US bring in for the coup? It likely more subtantial and likely in the local currency.

Posted by: TarheelDem | Apr 30 2014 12:47 utc | 85

Kiev clashes with Far Right

Posted by: Tea | Apr 30 2014 12:58 utc | 86

Posted by: brian | Apr 30, 2014 6:49:41 AM | 81
This is great.
Thank you!

Posted by: Tea | Apr 30 2014 13:05 utc | 87

Eastern ukrainian mayor still in hospital
https://www.facebook.com/haaretzcom/posts/10152406305556341?stream_ref=10

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 30 2014 13:07 utc | 88

military exercises in Kiev ?
coup d’État ?
http://kievcity.gov.ua/news/14504.html
https://twitter.com/Muschelschloss
¿?

Posted by: Nik | Apr 30 2014 13:12 utc | 89

I’ve put the whole translated transcript of Fursev together into one convenient blog post, together with some remarks of my own (colour coded in green) and highlighted the especially remarkable assertions about the west planning to use Chernobyl to dump their own nuclear waste (in red):
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/fursev-transcript/

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 30 2014 13:30 utc | 90

Demian @62
“The Obama administration is acting as if the US is in the same position that it was in at the end of WW II, but that isn’t the case at all, of course. ”
Precisely!
I agree that US/NATO are not intending to make a military advance against Russia over Ukraine.
If I recall, didn’t Obama say as much?
I will have to dig for that link.

Posted by: Tea | Apr 30 2014 13:38 utc | 91

NIK
seems like there was only small police groups, not the military.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 30 2014 13:39 utc | 92

Probably posted here already by some fawning north americano pseudo-lefist ineffectual pseudo-intellectual:
“Why is Putin in Washington’s Crosshairs?” by Mike Whitney. Whitney, like all Nord-Ami Ineffectuals is a master at mis-attributing the cause of all this war-mongering
Xymphora’s take on it is worth a look:

A truly vile attempt to shield World Jewry from its latest attack on everybody else, tantamount to those who tried to portray the attack on Iraq as a war for oil. There is no good American reason for any of this. Why are American shifting minor numbers of troops and planes around that they know will have no deterrent effect? Why are they making laughably hypocritical statements about Russia?
Why do they keep escalating extraordinary minor sanctions that the Russians have a good laugh over? Everything the American do makes them look weak and unprepared. Putin was never in Washington’s crosshairs.
Putin was in Victoria Nuland’s crosshairs, acting solely as an agent of World Jewry. As always, the ridiculousness of the analysis forced by the inability to acknowledge the only possible true explanation is hilarious, and tragic (as it enables this dangerous and violent nonsense to continue).

Whitney, like most other pseudo-intellectual lefty ineffectuals, always defaults to what is in effect just one facet of the many-sided Anglo-Zionist narrative – there always at least one lie to suit each political persuasion, built-in to the fake-left/Anglo-Zionist propaganda messages

Posted by: sts | Apr 30 2014 13:49 utc | 93

@91
Please find foff, the super-troll now vomiting as sts

Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2014 13:55 utc | 94

@sts #91: Understandably there is psychological resistance to just flatly saying it’s all down to ‘International Jewry’. And indeed, we have seen again and again how far-right groups which might have started out with such a hypothetical concept are so easily sidetracked into (a) anti-islamism, or (b) anti-russianism. When you are dealing with people whose attraction to politics is based on the adrenalin high of a super-simple message hammered out a rally, you don’t find much in the way of reasoned thought. I have been looking at the far-right as carefully as I can for several years, and I have even managed to make a pain-free exploration on the ground of one fo the more interesting groups, which was in a red-brown phase at the time and hence quite open to people like me. If you want to prove that the world financial system is really and truly Jewish-owned, as opposed to just Jewish-managed (which latter could just be a fiendish trick by the old Anglo ruling classes to put Jews in the visible front line of the money management system as decoy ducks), then you have an uphill struggle on your hands. As I always say, the first thing that real wealth buys is privacy (buying up the media themselves is a good way to achieve this). Notice that I am not saying yes or no to the central proposition, I am just pointing out the difficulties involved in engaging with it.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 30 2014 14:00 utc | 95

Posted by: bevin | Apr 30, 2014 9:55:40 AM | 92
Wow – I’m honoured – the chief of the resident fawning north americano pseudo-lefist ineffectual pseudo-intellectuals himself dropped in to have a little smear.
Well at least he recognised my comprehensive and accurate description of him

Posted by: sts | Apr 30 2014 14:03 utc | 96

If you want to prove that the world financial system is really and truly Jewish-owned, as opposed to just Jewish-managed
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 30, 2014 10:00:29 AM | 93
Then just look at who REALLY controls many of the Oligarchs.
To do that all we have to do is look at where Michail Borissowitsch Khodorkovsky’s Yukos shares ended up when the Russian Tax-man came after him
Everyone had been under the impression that Khodorkovsky was his own man – that he was the beneficiary Yukos shares supposedly held in his name, but nooooooooooooooooo, not at all
It turned out that Khodorkovsky’s millions and millions of Yukos shares actually belonged to the Rothschilds.
so it should be obvious to anyone but a moron, (or a fawning north americano pseudo-lefist ineffectual pseudo-intellectual -but I repeat myself) that Khodorkovsky was nothing but a front-man for Rothschild.
Oleg Derispaska, the oligarch in charge of RusAl, which has an effective monopoly now on alu-foil production in most of the developed world, seems to fill a similar role now
So how many other Oligarchs are nothing but mere frontmen for Rothschild?
And who else might be nothing but a frontman for Rothschild?
Roman Abramovitch? Miki Fridmann?
Just how many front-men Oligarchs do the Rothschild family have in their pockets?

Posted by: sts | Apr 30 2014 14:18 utc | 97

of course it could be that the Oligarchs are managed by Rothschilds on behalf of some other hidden, more powerful, individuals.
How many layers of managers between the Oligarchs and the real beneficiaries of these alleged Oligarchs wealth?

Posted by: sts | Apr 30 2014 14:39 utc | 98

There are some pretty interesting and detailed statements about Rothschild activity in Ukraine, in that Furzev thing. You can read them in my transcript, or indeed there are other copies of the trancript without my irritating annotations, see Saker, where this is quite a topic.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 30 2014 14:50 utc | 99

Anyone heard the new leaked recording of the alleged russians?
http://rt.com/news/155896-kerry-blames-eu-ukraine/

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 30 2014 14:52 utc | 100

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