Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 12, 2014
Ukraine: Donetsk Moves

There is obviously a somewhat coordinated operation going on in Donetsk oblast in east Ukraine. The province is famous for its mines and heavy industry. With some 4.7 million inhabitants it constitutes 10% of the Ukrainian population. Some action by anti coup-government groups were also seen in the neighboring Luhansk (Donbas) and Kharkiv oblast but Donetsk oblast is for now the schwerpunkt.

Over the last days people in Donetsk city had occupied several government buildings and barricaded them. The Alfa police units, SWAT operators, sent to kick them out allegedly refused to do so. A 48 hour coup-government ultimatum to clear the buildings was not followed up on. It is possible that the coup-government has found no loyal force that would do its bidding.

Today several other cities in Donetsk oblast also saw extensive movements of anti coup-government groups. In Sloviansk some para-military group, some of them somewhat trained (video), broke into the main police station and raised the Russian flag. They allegedly handed out weapons to other protesters. The mayor of Sloviansk had announced her pro-Russian stand. Around the city street checkpoints of pro-Russian militia, pictures show some mid aged men, went up. Many of these people are said to be miners from the large Donetsk coal mines. They are on the look out for incoming military and police traffic from Kiev. Trained people from the Berkut riot police, dissolved by the coup-government, have joined the protesters.

In Mariupol and Druzhkovka protesters have blocked or seized the local city administration. Police in Kramatorskaya joined the protesters there. The city of Luhansk, where there are also protests, and Donetsk were today at least once buzzed by military planes.

If have seen no Donetsk pictures yet of “polite green men”, i.e. Russian military operators, like those seen in Crimea. The militia people occupying buildings in Donetsk oblast also seem to be less equipped than the local self-defense groups that could be seen in Crimea. While this operation in several Donetsk cities today seems somewhat coordinated there is no hint yet that Russia is behind this.

The coup-government in Kiev has done its best to alienate the people in the east. From denigrating their Russian language to threatening them with genocide like the gas-princess Tymochenko has done. The economic situation in the east is bad and has, unlike the neighboring provinces in Russia, not recovered throughout the last twenty years. Under the new government the economic situation will likely get worse. These people are unlikely to need lectures from Russia to understand that there are better deals to have than the ones Kiev and the IMF are offering.

Should the coup-government in Kiev find some loyal force that is willing to suppress the mass movement in the east there will be severe fighting and Russia will probably step in. But I still find that quite unlikely. Russia, like Henry Kissinger, has argued for a neutral and strongly federalized Ukraine. The people in Donetsk could probably agree with staying in Ukraine if they get strong autonomy.

The coup-government in Kiev can not risk a fight and a possible Russian intervention which could end with the loss of the industrial heart of Ukraine. It will have to give in to the demand of the people. Unfortunately some blustering coming from the “west”, especially for the U.S. and NATO, may encourage some idiotic moves from Kiev before reason sets in.

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BTW, I’ve reported the site to Autommattic (WordPress.com) for its abuse. Nuking Belgograd? What the hell is the matter with these people?!

Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 13 2014 11:07 utc | 101

Truth about situation in Ukraine
43 minutes ago
About morning shooting in the city Slavyansk, Donetsk republic, controversial information
“Shooting, which occurred five kilometers from the Slavyansk – a provocation. A car “Reno” white color drove to checkpoint of self-defense forces, the three people came out and opened fire on checkpoint, on the machine guns were mufflers. One member of self defense forces was wounded. Ukrainian soldiers who were near at the time of shooting drove on ACP to the attackers, but they escaped into the forest. There dead body was found, but it was cold, that is, he did not die here, and he was brought here on purpose. The shooters have run. ”

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2014 11:11 utc | 102

96) No proof, just the “pro opposition” Daily Beast ie the US source that claimed Ukrainian Security Service were the snipers.

Putin has hinted publicly that he favors Tymoshenko, noting they had a productive relationship when she was prime minister. In recent days allegations have been swirling in Kiev that at a March 1 Ukrainian Security Council meeting she invited herself to she pressed hard for the new government to avoid any confrontation with Russian forces. Ukrainian business sources claim she has also been trying through allies to disrupt a nuclear parts business deal involving America’s Westinghouse in a bid to steer the contract to a Russian company.
Putin, after all, is not the only cynic on center state in the Ukraine crisis.

Also a refusal by Tymoshenko to step down in favor of Poroshenko.
So, yes, Tymoshenko staying in the race reduces “Western Ukrainian” candidates’ chances. Whilst Tymoshenko only has a chance if she manages to become a West/East/South compromise candidate.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 11:50 utc | 103

Parviziyi 41 / 68
On practical grounds the most important reason for an Ukrainian parliament not to sign the EU-association treaty was and stays, that this treaty sets another stage of NATO-alignement. This alignement is encoded in the so called “political part” that Yatseniuk just came to sign. Nearly every paragraph of it deals with cooperation and adjustment in the fields of “security” and security policy.
The “economic” part of the treaty was and is meant to supplement for this goal and make the NATO-alignment mostly irrevocable by adjusting Ukraines industrial and marketing standards to those of the EU. By this means Ukraine would gradually lose EEC, Central Asean, China and even some East Asian markets, because Ukrainian products depend on ancillary industries in Ukraine designed to change standards, and also ancillary industries in the target markets, that keep their standards.
This includes the Ukrainian military industrial complex, which has an annoyingly great part in the annoying competition of Russian arms industries to those of NATO-powers. EU-association would schedule these industries for phaseout, not modernization, contrary to an finlandized Ukraine.
So, since bread comes first to morals, and since there is no overwhelming delusionary patriotic movement neither in Central Ukraine, nor even in all of the western oblasts, which could overrule rationality, all of this matter hasn’t anything to do with “ethnicy” and even not with national alegiances. It’s a matter of legitimacy or delegitimizing the coup-regime, of legitimizing or delegitimizings it’s recent decisions, especially its signing of part of the association treaty (and perhaps its renegotiating), a matter of a veto power for future federal administrations against nation-wide NATO-alignment. Or else partition.
Oddly enough Parviziyi’s post the acronym NATO had not one single place …

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 13 2014 11:53 utc | 104

According to an article on Sustainable Pulse, 80% of all the food Americans eat is contaminated with GMO.
Posted by: William Bowles | Apr 13, 2014 6:46:04 AM | 98

Not that I’m a fan of GMO, but the criticism of it is over-hyped…at least from the health perspective. I’m sure 20-year-old Jordan Spieth who’s leading The Masters right now has had his share of GMO-tainted food in his short lifetime, and yet he’s fit, trim and healthy–healthy enough to be leading the most prominent golf tournament in the world at the early age of 20. Also, checking the leaders board, or better yet, checking the list of all golfers who are playing in The Masters this year, I don’t see any Russians. I wonder why? And don’t give me the cold weather excuse. Canada’s as cold as Russia and Mike Weir, a Canadian, was in the field this year and is a former winner of the tournament. Golf is the pinnacle of Civilization and yet Russia is not represented in this most civilized of sports. Imagine that. I’m not surprised.

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Apr 13 2014 12:33 utc | 105

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/ has a translation of a German 300 person friendly people’s letter to Putin, and a translation of the Press-Conference with A. Pushkov re Ukraine and PACE hypocrisy.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Apr 13 2014 12:38 utc | 106

You err, the “most civilized of sports” is boxing. Why? Well, because it’s the democratization of Lions-games in Roman circus and it is brain-damaging. Please send me a ticket (and supply me with visa), then it will be my pleasure to give you a taste of it.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 13 2014 12:42 utc | 107

somebody
Are you for real?
You mean the woman that wanted to nuke russians are pro-russia?
Exactly you have no proof.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 12:47 utc | 108

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13, 2014 8:47:14 AM | 108
well, you know, you can never be sure politicians mean what they say …
But yes, Putin has publicly said that he does not mind Tymoshenko – before the video.
After the video Russian press said Tymoshenko might have shot herself into the foot – not being able now to be a compromise figure.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 12:59 utc | 109

Does the Swedish Foreign Minister realize how funny he sounds

Carl Bildt ‏@carlbildt
Also Russia must demand that illegally armed groups in Ukraine immediately disarm, leave occupied buildings and respect democratic order.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 13:15 utc | 110

Pathetic how west blames russia when old women in ukraine protests, so much for “armed russian commandos”
Sweden, UK, Nato, US seems like the most stupid warmongers by now.
somebody
He said he have problem talking to her but that she now after the nuke-russian video is pro-russian is nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 13:18 utc | 111

edit: He said he had NO problem talking to her but that she now after the nuke-russian video is pro-russian is nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 13:19 utc | 112

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13, 2014 9:18:40 AM | 111
I guess it is her crew who is in power in Kiew?
What options does she have – Nato is not going to intervene, a civil war on the border to Russia is no option, her party control neither security services nor pravy sector. The country is bankrupt, IMF and EU insist the Kiew government talk to Russia for financing, the truth about the Maidan snipers may come up any moment, costing them the last shred of legality. They don’t control South East Ukraine … there is more than enough to force her to deal with Russia.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 13:42 utc | 113

somebody
Yes thats logic, but are the US, NATO, Kiev logical? No. They seems to want war.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 13:44 utc | 114

with the presence of barricades,. isnt this all shaping up to look like the 1848 french revolution?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution_of_1848

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2014 13:45 utc | 115

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13, 2014 9:15:28 AM | 110
its called chutzpah or keep lying and noone will notice

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2014 13:47 utc | 116

Posted by: Cold N. Holefield | Apr 13, 2014 8:33:51 AM | 105
spoken like a fan of GMOS who doesnt want to appear to be a fan of GMOS

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2014 13:48 utc | 117

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13, 2014 9:44:59 AM | 114
I agree, they seem to want war, but no one seems to want to go ….
Possibly, it all is one huge miscalculation and we repeat World War I and II – I hope not.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 14:17 utc | 118

CIAs chief visisted Ukraine according to unnamed sources in ukrainian/russian press.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 14:31 utc | 119

somebody
Not world war I think but possibly civil war.
Seriously, the NATO, US seems to get crazier for every day. Have they no shame?! Or are they so brainwashed?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 14:33 utc | 120

#Russianspring #Kharkov
13.04.2014
Breaking news from the city Kharkov, east Ukraine
Large group of protesters took the City Council; main column heading to jail in order to release political prisoners. They going to release people who were captured at building of Kharkov regional administration a week ago.
Foreign mercenaries in uniform of Ukrainian special forces stormed building, beat protesters who were inside and detained them. It happened week ago, number of detained about 70.
People decide to release them.
People are chanting: “Kharkov – Russian city”, “Kharkov, get up! Junta throw away!”
Source
http://rusvesna.su/news/1397394378

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2014 14:35 utc | 121

To clarify my GMO remarks @67.
China’s actions are not only completely justifiable, on the sensibly conservative ground that the dangers of using GMO products are largely un-researched and could be very grave, but a reminder of the possibility of nations employing health and safety reasons to control the madness of Free Trade left to the regulation of the “invisible hand” with its equally invisible brain.
Governments not only have the right to protect their people, their soil and their environment from dangerous experimenation merely designed to save labour costs-the idea that GMO corn yields exceed those of traditional seeds is proven nonsense- and to monopolise seeds which are the common property of all mankind and the fruits of tens of thousands of years of selection and development by anonymous members of the collective, they have the duty to do so.
GMO plants are used by the United States, whose economy and power rely on-and always have done so-on food exports and control over food production, to turn sovereign states into satraps.
The likelihood of Ukraine’s famous “black earth” being polluted by US style (very close to Soviet style) agriculture is very great whoever wins there. Such a result would be an international disaster.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 13 2014 14:38 utc | 122

Actually, I think the transliteration would be Пусси Райут, although I’m no expert.
Yes, probably, I just found a site that strung a bunch of cyrillic letters together.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 14:39 utc | 123

@!05 “Not that I’m a fan of GMO…” he says, and goes on to praise it.
Proves Russia is uncivilized because…golf?
If the criteria for banishment was being lame, you’d be the first to disappear.

Posted by: ruralito | Apr 13 2014 14:40 utc | 124

Roza Kazan ‏@rozakazancctv 3h
@KevinRothrock @adagamov why limit yourself to photos? Here’s how it actually happened, video of the whole thing http://youtu.be/VEZ5SjkroNQ

Posted by: brian | Apr 13 2014 14:43 utc | 125

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13, 2014 10:33:57 AM | 120
To threaten that was Pravy Sectors role, I don’t think they are crazy enough to do it though.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 14:46 utc | 126

@93 somebody Of course I am. What’s more, I know what you are doing. Along with everyone else here, it seems.
@Cold Handjob: Fan of Israel, hater of Russians, promoter of GMO, denier of climate change, and… lover of golf! Of course. You’re a nice little hermetically sealed package of neo-liberal know nothingness. The perfect example of what happens when a person decides to slurp down every media meme and define themselves against everything that is good in the world.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 14:58 utc | 127

somebody
Do what? They have already start attacking the protesters.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 15:03 utc | 128

Chip Nikh, #76
Bundy doesn’t own his land, he never did. Land tenure out West is different than anywhere else — the land is so arid it takes acres and acres to graze a herd and the settlers could never have afforded to buy enough, so It. Was. Never. Put. On. The. Market. It’s not private property and never was: it’s Federal land you must lease from the BLM, for a VERY nominal fee ($1 per acre?). Bundy simply decided in 1983 he wouldn’t pay. Now the ranchers have lived there for 100+ years and CONSIDER it theirs, but it actually never did belong to any of them. So you’ve got a scofflaw who’s been found guilty of non-payment of fees, twice — and the good old RW Hysterical Noise Machine ginning up a whole lot of genuine, gun-totin’ nutcakes. Do bureaucrats make good decisions? Rarely. But Bundy does need to make restitution — he’s robbed all of us. And of course, instead, it’s just a mess.

Posted by: Nora | Apr 13 2014 15:11 utc | 129

@129 The Bundy family has been grazing that land since 1870. the BLM did not exist before 1946. As far as I’m concerned he doesn’t owe the federal government a dime. He certainly isn’t “robbing from all of us” and the government isn’t offering to disperse whatever it collects amongst the general populace. It will use whatever funds it steals to pay for its wars and beaurocrats.

Posted by: Lysander | Apr 13 2014 15:24 utc | 130

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/11/ukraine-lies-and-realities/
Ukraine: Lies and Realities
by ANDRE VLTCHEK

Two beautiful Slavic sisters, Ukraine and Russia, pitched against each other: long hair flying in the wind, gray-blue eyes staring forward accusatively, but in the same time with anticipation and love.
One single moment, one wrong move, one word, and two countries, two allies, two almost identical cultures, can easily dash at each other’s throats… Different words, different gestures, and they can also fall into each other’s arms, instantly.
Is there going to be a war, a battle or an embrace? Is there going to be an insult or reconciliatory words?
Ironically, there is no ‘self-grown dispute’ between two nations. The seeds of mistrust, and possible tragedy, are sown by the outsiders, and nurtured by their malignant propaganda.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 15:25 utc | 131

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13, 2014 11:03:42 AM | 128
guerilla war

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 15:28 utc | 132

Significant new news today, new in its explicitness, new at least to me:

April 13. Ukrainian presidential candidate Yulia Timoshenko said: “The regional authorities should be appointed not from Kiev, but by the regions themselves. All this taken together will be regarded in the east as the regional freedom that people there want.” Asked how to get the support of the Russian-speaking population in the east to avoid the country’s split, Timoshenko said that “on no condition the law on regional languages should be abolished.” She also believes that “it is necessary to urgently adopt the budget code that will give the regions a considerable financial independence.” http://en.itar-tass.com/world/727580

Two days ago the interim prime minister Yatsenyuk said the very same thing. The leading politicians of the east and south regions have been saying the same (see for example what presidential candidate Tigipko/Tihipko said today). And Russia says the same (and I remind you of Russia’s position because the thinking coming out of Russia is a potent force in the political landscape of Ukraine).
Now, what remains is to get a statement of a similar spirit from presidential candidate Poroshenko. He’s going to win the election in all likelihood. If he comes out in favour of devolution, decentralization, federalization, then the issue is resolved except for implementation details.
Devolution is impossible (or bogus) without devolution of taxation powers. To repeat, Timoshenko said today “it is necessary to urgently adopt the budget code that will give the regions a considerable financial independence.”

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 13 2014 15:30 utc | 133

Another thing about Parivizi’s poll, one should look very closely at the locations that the people came from. Of course the Ukrainian population in centered in the South and East, did the CIA pollsters account for this? Or did they weigh each sector equally?

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 15:36 utc | 134

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 13, 2014 11:30:45 AM | 133
Poroshenko will not find it difficult to do whatever is necessary.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 15:52 utc | 135

Well, in any case, the Ukraine coup government, installed by violence, is going to use violence to enforce their rule:
Ukraine acting president says has decided to launch ‘full-scale anti-terrorist operation’ in eastern Ukraine with armed forces participation
Reuters India ‏@ReutersIndia 13m
No one should forget what the United States has done in Chile, in Nicaragua, in Iraq, in Vietnam, in Haiti, or in Libya. Because they are about to do it again.
May god bless those people resisting the Empire everywhere.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 15:53 utc | 136

Parviziyi | Apr 13, 2014 11:30:45 AM | 133
“Devolution is impossible (or bogus) without devolution of taxation powers.”
Bullshit, budget code and taxation power are baseless with bankrupt industries and bankrupt budgets.
Remind TomGard | Apr 13, 2014 7:53:11 AM | 104
It’s about NATO or not NATO
Apologizes for the spelling and grammar faults, but I still didn’t find an app that doesn#t shred my browser.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 13 2014 15:55 utc | 137

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13, 2014 11:36:45 AM | 134
You have the last election results – they are extremely clear.
Polls are always dubious no matter how carefully they get done, they can change many times before elections.
Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13, 2014 11:53:46 AM | 136
I think that is old news and did not really take place.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 13 2014 16:00 utc | 138

As Turchinov prepares to roll east with murder in mind, the “government sniper story” begins to fall apart. The coup government is trying to quash opposition before it becomes clear that the snipers were directed by them.
New evidence on Maidan-Protect Google Translate
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/maidan-schuesse102.html

Seven weeks after the fatal shooting of Kiev, which led to the overthrow of the government of President Viktor Yanukovych, to clues that cast serious doubt on the official version of events multiply. After researching the WDR magazine Monitor , it is unlikely that the shooting of demonstrators exclusively on the part of former Ukrainian leadership went out under Yanukovych.
Attorney General’s Office and the new transitional government had established to the effect at a press conference a week ago. Twelve members of the now defunct special unit “Berkut” were subsequently arrested and presented as the main culprit.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 16:07 utc | 139

I really get the impression that the western backers of the euromaidan did not take into account the massive scale of defectors in the army and police as well. With every order that one of the Yatsenyuk airhead gives to the former executives, they’re becoming fewer.
Now they’re practically left with the original gang of rightwingers, and even among those, it seems, there’s only the core crew left.
I’m not inclined to assume western intelligences’ and strategists’ stupidity, but what I read between the lines is that the puppets call for violence and no one’s listening. At the moment they’re probably figuring out whether a murderous attack by flown-in pravy sector thugs in east ukraine would make for a “win”.
Nothing much comes from the western politicans mouth these days, the probably just genuinely don’t know what to say.

Posted by: peter radiator | Apr 13 2014 16:09 utc | 140

136
Amen on that, and the 95% of the western population buy it.
They scream Putin is bad guy when Ukraine is slaughtering people!?
1984 is now.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 16:10 utc | 141

“The Blustering coming from the US EU and NATO”, is apparently, the very best foreign policy that their very “best and brightest” have to offer. Anders “Foghorn” Rasmussen cant seem to stop himself from making public threats of adding Georgia and “Ukraine” (whatever that might wind up being) to NATO, even though he’s making Europeans very, very uncomfortable. A former German Defense minister recently “huffed” in an Interview that “Georgia and Ukraine will NOT be added to NATO”..Everyone whos read the recent Seymour Hersh essay knows that Erdogan was responsible for the false flag chemical attack in Ghouta. Even more insane we know that Obama knows all about it. In fact, according to hersh, in a policy meeting/dinner with Erdogan and several Turkish cabinet members Obama became angry at the Turkish delegation, aimed a pointed finger at a Turkish minister and said “we KNOW what your doing with the radicals in Syria”. with respect to training and equipping the “rebels” with Chemical weapons

Posted by: Marc | Apr 13 2014 16:23 utc | 142

It occurs to me that probably NATO planners are probably assuming that even if they launched what I suppose they would call ‘preventive’) attacks (or ‘deterrent attacks’ or ‘projective self-defense’ or whatever) across the Ukrainian border into Russia, even then there would be some sort of schmaltzy Hollywood moment on the ‘Hot Line’ whereby Obama and Putin could agree each not to be the first to escalate to nukes. But if it was up to me, I would vigorously oppose any such agreement. It seems to me that eventually NATO would win, no matter how inferior they are as troops, planners or for that matter human beings. They simply have three times as many of everything, whatever its inferiority in terms of quality. They don’t care about that; they never have done. Being barbarians, they think solely in terms of quantity. They cannot even think seriously about quality without emotional distress caused by feelings of inferiority or more usually complete worthlessness. But anyway, if it was up to me, I would say: tell the barbarians: “We will nuke New York and Washington as soon as any deliberate attack is detected across the border.” And I would mean it too. Better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 13 2014 16:33 utc | 143

Remember that the stupid nato leader is a warcriminal for invading Iraq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Fogh_Rasmussen#War_in_Iraq

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 16:42 utc | 144

Lysander, do you live in the West? BLM was part of a re-organization of a couple of other agencies maybe 70 years ago or so but 657 million some odd acres of land in this country HAVE. NEVER. BEEN. PRIVATELY. OWNED. He’s lived there, sure (I believe I said that): but he’s never had a title, only a LEASE, at outrageously nominal fees. Which. He. Has. Not. Paid. Since. 1983. Just because ranchers BELIEVE it’s theirs doesn’t mean it actually is. Do a little research. Lord knows I’m no fan of “the government” and they’re bumbling this badly but yes, he was taken to court twice and found guilty twice. Ergo, he owes. Still don’t believe me, try teh Google. Or speak to any non-rancher out there. We actually do own some non-BLM land out there, and collect a grand $1/acre for grazing rights.

Posted by: Nora | Apr 13 2014 16:45 utc | 145

Maybe nuking NYC and WDC is a bit steep for a first effort. It might make more sense to give the yanks a long list of every facility they have in Europe and just say, we shall destroy all of them, with appropriately sized nuclear blasts. But I have a special refinement I would put in here, if US targets were still on that famous table where the masters of the world put their various more or less terrifying things. Someone would start waffling on about their ABMs, these famous PAC-3 Block 10 with added zest & flavor, and I would reply: Who said anything about missiles? Consider if you will the simple fact that about 150 million sealed 20-ton containers circulate within the USA annually. You could get through an awful lot of mobile x-ray machines, trying to inspect that lot. And fairly obviously that hasn’t happened, because of prohibitive cost and because as we have learned from the TSA’s revolting activities at airports, people do not much like being bombarded with x-rays from cheap, crappy machines used by untrained morons. So it would be wise, I would conclude, to assume that whatever nuclear devices we might have wished to place within your cities, are indeed there, perfectly capable of being detonated at the touch of a button.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 13 2014 17:35 utc | 146

@soomebody: I think that is old news and did not really take place.
Bullshit. That tweet happened 13 minutes before I posted it, as anyone can plainly see. RT at this very moment has the headline: “RUSSIA: AVOIDING CIVIL WAR IN UKRAINE DEPENDS ON WEST’S ACTIONS NOW”
The coup government is on the move, and your bullshit is on the move as well, I see.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 13 2014 17:47 utc | 147

@Nora #145:
Doesn’t anyone watch westerns anymore? Ranchers are the BAD GUYS in westerns.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 13 2014 18:06 utc | 148

Demian #148 ALL palefaces are the bad guys. The ranchers (mostly Southern transplants victimized in their minds by the Civil War but actually victimized by the plantation owners and the English and Scottish in N. England and the Scottish lowlands before that: they didn’t “lose everything in the war” — they had nothing to begin with but their white skin) are just greedier and stupider than the BLM bureaucrats. Bundy knows damned well his land is leased: he paid his fees until he figured he could get away with not paying them. The hysterical part is, well, all the hysterics: the guvmint is comin’ fer yer cows and next, they’ll…

Posted by: Nora | Apr 13 2014 18:34 utc | 149

Guest77 at #136 and #147 is misreading the situation about the demonstrators in Donetsk, whereas commenter ‘somebody’ #138 is basically correct. The interim president Alexander Turchinov said today, 13 Apr 2014, referring to the demonstrators in the eastern region: “Those who did not fire at our law enforcement elements, who would surrender their weapons and vacate seized administration buildings by Monday morning [14 Apr 2014], will be granted immunity from prosecution for their actions by the decree I signed personally.” — ref.
In other words, the Kiev authorities have made a decision today to leave the protesters in possession of the Donetsk building until at least tomorrow morning. Every day this past week, the Kiev authorities have been telling the protesters at Donetsk that their position is illegal and they must abandon it, and that if they don’t abandon it voluntarily very soon they will be forcibly removed very soon. Today’s statment by the interim president is just saying more of the same. It’s old news in the sense that it’s going on all week, and it’s incorrect news in so far as you’re interpreting it as the definite final warning to the protesters. During negotiations with the demonstrators earlier this week, the security authorities offered the demonstrators the option of relocating to a different protest site, one that would be legal. The demonstrator numbers are too small and non-growing, too unsupported by the locals, to pose a practical threat to the established order. So relocating them to a different site is an acceptable solution for the security authorities. And meanwhile the security authorities earnestly don’t want to authorize the bloodshed that could be involved in forcibly removing the protesters from the current site. I don’t know if tomorrow the security forces will decide to take over building or not. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they continue to postpone it.
Another thing the interim president Alexander Turchinov said on nationwide television on 13 Apr 2014 is: “[My interim government] is willing to consider granting more authority to the regions, including a sweeping self-government reform, as well as ‘renewal’ of the local authorities.” http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_13/Ukraines-acting-president-orders-launch-of-full-scale-anti-terrorist-operation-in-eastern-Ukraine-3840/

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 13 2014 20:36 utc | 150

Parviziyi
You seems to think the kiev gov is legal, 2 that they are someone you can trust. You say that while they are attacking protesters.
You ok?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 20:52 utc | 151

@ #151: The Kiev gov’t is going to be legal from and after the 25 May 2014 presidential election. The spirit and policies of the gov’t before 25 May are going to be essentially the same as those after 25 May. The legal limbo and technical constitutional illegitimacy of the interim president and current gov’t was a fact that was consequential and important during the period when Crimea was breaking off and joining Russia. But that’s done and over. Today, the legal limbo of the interim gov’t is essentially inconsequential from the practical viewpoint, now. The Moscow gov’t today is treating the interim gov’t in Kiev as effectively legit, now. Last week Lavrov said the protesters in Kiev Maidan had succeeded in changing the president in reality and truth, notwithstanding the unconstitutionality involved. Another point that should not be forgotten is that the parliament in Kiev has always been a hundred percent truly legal, and has no defect in its constitutionality whatsoever, despite the office of president being in the legal limbo.
@ #151: Regarding your concern that Ukraine’s security authorities are attacking demonstrators, I’ve already made the comment at #41 above that the security authorities have been “restrained and liberal towards the demonstrators so far. A right to protest is getting recognized by the interim gov’t even when the protest actions are strictly out of compliance with the law.”

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 13 2014 21:26 utc | 152

Parviziyi
Its not legal now and its doubtful there will be any legal gov after may 25 since it wont be free and is built on a illegal coup.
Parliament misused its power when it kicked out Yanukovich? You call these people acting legally? Please.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 13 2014 21:37 utc | 153

I’ve known RT.com for many years now, and it’s always been true that RT.com is a trashy tabloid and a shitty source of news. The following is a clear concrete example supporting that general judgement I have. It is a news report currently at RT.com’s home page with the headline “MASSIVE PROTESTS GRIP EASTERN UKRAINE”, dated today Sunday 13 Apr 2014. The article says: “Over 10,000 people have taken part in protests in different town and villages of the Donetsk Region in Ukraine” on Sunday 13 Apr 2014. The total population of the Donetsk Region is 4.4 million, so 10,000 would be less than one-quarter of one percent of the total population. Which is a tiny percentage. However, the 10,000 figure is an exaggeration of the true figure. You can verify it’s an exaggeration by looking at videos at youtube. E.g., here’s some footage recorded today, Sunday 13 April, in the center of Donetsk City at the building that has been occupied by protesters all this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szHb7TbUyA0 , where you can see that the number of protesters was in in the mere hundreds today. According to the same news article at RT.com, on Sunday 13 April “some 1,500-2,000 people are out in the square in front of the office Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) in Lugansk, which is held by the protestors for several days now.” The number 1,500 is one-third of one percent of the population of Lugansk city. You can get a bigger number of people to attend an amateur drama enactment of an ancient Greek play. Excuse me for not wading though Youtube to find out whether the number 1,500 is an exaggeration or not.
The same article by RT.com reports than on Sunday 13 April in Kharkov city pro-federalization demonstrators and pro-Maidan demonstrators both held rallies: “rallies of two antagonistic sides, which saw a joint turnout of around 3,000, were staged in the city simultaneously.” Here’s a fact omitted in RT.com’s report: most of the joint number of 3,000 in Kharkov consisted of the pro-Maidan demonstrators, whereas the pro-federalization demonstrators in Kharkov today were only in the hundreds.

PS: In eastern Ukraine overall, the evidence is profuse that (1) most people support devolution (aka federalization) and will vote for it, and (2) the vast majority of the people who support devolution will not come out to street rallies to protest and demonstrate for it.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 14 2014 0:42 utc | 154

“I’ve known RT.com for many years now, and it’s always been true that RT.com is a trashy tabloid and a shitty source of news. ” Maybe, Parviziyi. Maybe it is trashy, for people who judge their news based on its style and not its substance. But it is different perspective.
What people who panders to power don’t get – people, say, like you, who eat up a CIA polls like they’re the gospel truth – is that there is value in the other side of the story. This is why people are drawn to it, even if it looks like CNN and FOX, is because it does offer a different perspective.
Maybe we can find more “straight” news, something classier, “smarter” in the US media. Some prefer the tone of the Harper’s, others want to read “US” magazine – but no matter the style, the substance will always be the same pandering, power-pleasing stories, the qualifications, the “officials said” “officials said” “officials said”. No matter if you go from TIME to Buzzfeed to Wired to VICE to the New Yorker to Politico to Foreign Policy to Blogs of War to Gawker to wherever – it is all the same garbage in a million different bags but essentially the same thing.
For whatever its style – and if it is infantile at all, it is because tabloid trash is the dominant mode of the world’s dominant, western media – RT is by definition something wholly different from what one can find in any western outlet. It tells the story from the perspective of billions of people whom most of us in the west are trained to see as “the enemy”. And that is enough to make it valuable to people who are truly interested in the story of humanity, not just the one side, the side of the powerful.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 14 2014 3:07 utc | 155

Parviziyi
You are making a fool of yourself. Did you even read your link? No you didnt because this is what it said:
“Over 10,000 pro-autonomy demonstrators rallied across eastern Ukraine “

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 14 2014 8:22 utc | 156

@98
There’s GMO, and then there’s GMO.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with FrankenSalmon, other than splicing in a bit of DNA from other eatable human food sources. But you’ll never see giant salmon in the store, because of the ‘risk’ they will ‘get out in the environment’. Frankly, the Myth of American Abundance is really about Monopoly of Artificial Supply Destruction.
What about Monsanto GMO and now Dow GMO?! 10,000s of carefully bred grain varietals that were husbanded over 10,000s of years of human agriculture are being deliberately denatured into monocrop plantations for a monopoly on global seed sales. Is that not a ‘risk’?
The real ‘risk’ isn’t GMO in and of itself. It’s the political and economic distortions of the web of human agriculture to create a gynormous monopoly stolen from the billions of artisanals. It’s the deliberate desertification of the planet by chemical weedkillers for profit. And it’s the tax credits and subsidies profits for BURNING these GMO grains at the Altar of AGW, threatening 10,000,000 3W children with Famine, and deforesting 880,000 square miles of pristine tropical rainforest and savannah every year for Green Jebeezus.
That puts Ukraine into kind of a soft focus, but what’re ya’ gonna do. The Obama GMO Biofuels double by 2108.
On to Tehran!

Posted by: Chip Nikh | Apr 14 2014 10:38 utc | 157

At #154 I quoted an article at RT.com. The RT.com article said: “Over 10,000 people have taken part in protests in different town and villages of the Donetsk Region in Ukraine” on Sunday 13 Apr 2014. That was a correct quotation at the time I quoted it. But the RT.com article has be re-edited since then. The anonymous commenter at #156 above is correct that the RT.com article now says: “Over 10,000 pro-autonomy demonstrators rallied across eastern Ukraine”.
I assert that RT.com’s 10,000 figure for all of eastern Ukraine is an exaggeration. The province with the biggest turnout was Donetsk. Donetsk’s turnout was equal to and slightly bigger than the turnout in all other eastern provinces combined. The following is related information which I take from en.Itar-Tass.com: The press service of the Donetsk Region police department reported today (Monday) that the number of demonstrators was around three thousand people in the Donetsk Region yesterday (Sunday), and 200 policemen were ensuring public order during yesterday’s demonstrations. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/727727.
The English Itar-Tass.com is not impeccable, but it’s better than RT.com every day of week.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 14 2014 15:50 utc | 158

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The anonymous commenter at #156 above is correct

Exaclty. So stop comment on stuff you know nothing about, your whole argument was that RT is a tabloid. What are you doing here to begin with?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 14 2014 15:56 utc | 159

@ 159: My point is that RT.com’s reporting on Ukraine is unreliable, shitty, sensationalistic. Use of the word “tabloid” is incidental. RT.com’s reporting on all subjects other than Ukraine is shitty as well, in general, but that’s beside my point.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 14 2014 17:58 utc | 160

On 13 Apr 2014, the USA foreign ministry issued ten would-be rebuttals against claims of the Russian foreign mininstry regarding situation in Ukraine: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/04/224759.htm. Here’s one of the ten, namely number 3:

3. Russia Claims: Separatist leaders in eastern Ukraine enjoy broad popular support.
Fact (i.e. USA foreign ministry claims as fact): The recent demonstrations in eastern Ukraine are not organic and lack wide support in the region. A large majority of Donetsk residents (65.7 percent) want to live in a united Ukraine and reject unification with Russia, according to public opinion polls conducted at the end of March by the Donetsk-based Institute of Social Research and Policy Analysis. Pro-Russian demonstrations in eastern Ukraine have been modest in size, especially compared with Maidan protests in these same cities in December, and they have gotten smaller as time has progressed.

My comment: The above claims of fact by the USA are actually true facts, truly correct as facts. However, what the USA is doing above is childish and juvenile false propaganda, because the Russian foreign ministry has never claimed or suggested that “separatist leaders in eastern Ukraine enjoy broad popular support”. Moreover there are no separist leaders in eastern Ukraine — you can’t name any such leaders yourself, you know. What Russia is claiming is that devolution (aka federalization) enjoys broad popular suppport. One evidence item that devolution enjoys broad popular support is that virtually all the top elected politicans of the eastern region are on record supporting devolution (and opposing separatistism). Even the newly appointed governor of Donetsk, who was appointed by the interim gov’t in Kiev, supports devolution and is on record saying so multiple times since he was appointed.
The other nine points from the USA are also riddled with false propaganda. Here’s point #5 from USA:

5. Russia Claims: Ukrainians in Donetsk rejected the illegitimate authorities in Kyiv and established the independent “People’s Republic of Donetsk.”
Fact (i.e. USA foreign ministry claims as fact): A broad and representative collection of civil society and non-governmental organizations in Donetsk categorically rejected the declaration of a “People’s Republic of Donetsk” by the small number of separatists occupying the regional administration building. These same organizations confirmed their support for the interim government and for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

My comment: The above claims of fact by the USA are again actually true facts, truly correct as facts. It is a fact as well that just a few Ukrainians in Donetsk did reject the authorities in Kyiv and self-professedly established a would-be and so-called “People’s Republic of Donetsk”. This people’s republic doesn’t exist in the real world outside a little crew of less than a thousand demonstrators. Russia acknowledges that this little crew has been demonstrating in the Donetsk city center. But Russia has never claimed that it was a real movement. Russia has repeatedly and correctly said that what the people of Donetsk want is more devolution within the Ukraine nation-state. More to the point, Russia has actually said that the people of Donetsk don’t want a People’s Republic of Donetsk. So this propaganda by the USA is childish, juvenile, bogus, false, stupid.
A good place to learn what Russia truly says is: https://twitter.com/MFA_Russia. Another source is http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/english.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 14 2014 18:00 utc | 161

Parviziyi
Oh ok I googled your name, you are a troll not only on this site. Case closed.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 14 2014 18:23 utc | 162

In continuation from what I said at #133 and #161, here’s the Russian foreign ministry’s current position on Ukraine, as stated by Lavrov on 14 Apr 2014, which includes Lavrov’s reaction to the Ukraine’s interim government’s recent announcement that a national referendum on devolution could possibly take place on 25 May 2014: “Russia is interested in a united Ukraine where all people are equal and feel at home. Only constitutional reform prepared with equal input from all political forces and regions can make this happen. The constitutional reform in Ukraine is being prepared by the Rada’s group or commission that is all but unknown. Submitting a text to a referendum that is drafted without input from the regions does not meet the criteria we advocate and support. These criteria are about inviting the southeast to take part in drafting the Constitution, not discussing a text written by others.” https://twitter.com/MFA_Russia.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Apr 14 2014 20:37 utc | 163