Those poles are real warmongers, cant they stop, they are getting real irritating with their talk.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 11:43 utc | 4

Are the Photos Evidence of Russian Connection to Militants in Ukraine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfGw5OxoxmI&feature=share&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dSvkcRb8yX5J1lgiQydE2sf

Posted by: Tom Murphy | Apr 23 2014 11:55 utc | 6

another guerilla war warning – not just Russia but Europe, too – blowing up pipelines

Of course, the prospect of a Ukrainian insurgency, represents a nightmare for those in the West who do extensive business with Russia. But German industrialists and British bankers who balk at the notion that Putin’s illegal and reckless Putsch justify punishing economic retaliation, should consider the following: the pipelines, pumping stations and other installations that traverse Russian hydro-carbons through Ukraine to Western Europe would be easy and fat targets for the freedom fighters. Under these circumstances, Putin’s campaign to court foreign investors will suffer devastating reversals.

and yes, they call them freedom fighters
Any Ukrainian nationalist fascist there wishing to destroy his country?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 12:12 utc | 8

Posted by: Zico | Apr 23, 2014 8:19:55 AM | 9
Believe me, if there is a guerilla war from Poland, Poland will be flat. They shout that loud so it does not come to this.
This is the Cuban missile crisis and this time it is close to Russia, not close to the US.
The US is threatening Russia and the Weimar triangle (that includes Poland), actually all of the EU to destroy the trade route to Russia.
Lavrov seems to be still talking, he seems to directly accuse the US of being involved in Ukraine.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 12:27 utc | 10

somebody @ 10
Indeed, Poland being an invented country after one of the great wars (can’t remember which one), should be toying with the idea of poking their larger neighbor. It was this same Poland that the Brits encouraged/pushed/deceived (call it whatever) to attack Germany, with promise of backing them up militarily etc etc..Of course non of the help came when it was needed and Germany murdered many of them.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Europeans have learnt very little from their own history… This time, the impending damage to Europe in any open war will be unrecoverable. Let them slug it out for America!!!
I’m sure the Chinese, Iranians etc etc are just happy to see these idiots pummel themselves to destruction for some stupid US geopolitical interest. They won’t lose sleep over it.

Posted by: Zico | Apr 23 2014 12:41 utc | 12

This is the old “all tactics no strategy” problem.
The original script made no allowance for any response to a “revolution” in Maidan. The idea was that the game would be over when the government fell in Kiev. That is where the problem arose: first in Crimea and second, more ominously, in the ill defined “east and south east,” where, for reasons previously discussed, the Galician Fascist revival was greeted with a distinct lack of enthusiasm.
Part of the problem is western racism: they have been foisting genocidal fascist dictatorships on Latin American, Asian and African countries for decades and got away with it. But in Europe it is a bit harder because closer and the “these people aren’t ready for democracy” nonsense doesn’t wash.
What we are seeing now, I hope, is the emergence of a political response to the coup which is also a response to the IMF, neo-liberalism and the neo-con tactic of endlessly re-fighting the Cold War; purging communists, intimidating left wing resistance, feeding comic book patriotism to the old and young and attacking Russia as backward, Asian and knout loving.
There isn’t anything new in what this cynical, worker enslaving rehash of fascism does. It, like Obama and his cronies, is on auto-pilot. It isn’t programmed to deal with popular resistance-which never occurred in the fairy tale history books they studied- and that is why it can’t deal with the east and south.
It will try though and in the only language it speaks which is terror, wrapped in crude propaganda. It is no coincidence that the Think Tank of the Banderistas is called the Joseph Goebbels Institute for Political Studies, it really isn’t.
The problem from the fascist/NATO point of view is that, in going after Ukraine they will awake a sleeping Russian people, radicalising them and, in doing so, undermining the stability of the neo-liberal extractivist economy which has been working very well for the City of London, German industry and western european consumers. As usual this is an American inspired crisis in which the only skin in the game is Euopean and the only possible gainers are the US Oil and Gas cartel.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2014 12:59 utc | 14

You should take a closer look to Germany, where app. 85% of the population starts not believing in the lies from MSM and Government anymore and so those now try to push them into the right corner. There are Monday-Demonstrations again in most of the big cities.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 13:06 utc | 16

Posted by: Zico | Apr 23, 2014 8:41:33 AM | 12
I think you got the false flag of Gleiwitz the wrong way round … Poles are not stupid.
And yes Poland is a country with Polish speakers – nothing artificial – no Russian or German speakers in there …
But if you want to refight World War I and II of course we can move Poland up to Kiew and Austria up to Lemberg you just have to chose the year where borders are supposed to be valid.
Stop the nonsense!

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 13:14 utc | 18

somebody @ 17
Hope you read this…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Polish_Republic

Posted by: Zico | Apr 23 2014 13:30 utc | 20

Ukraine crisis: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov accuses Washington of “running the show in Ukraine”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-russian-foreign-minister-sergei-lavrov-accuses-washington-of-running-the-show-in-ukraine-9278137.html
Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has accused the United States of wanting to “running the show” in Ukraine and warned that Moscow will “respond” if its interests in the region are threatened.
Speaking on Russian-owned television channel RT, Mr Lavrov said Washington’s “ready-made solution” would not fix a crisis it does not understand and insisted that the US “cannot run the show in each and every part of the world”.

Posted by: Virgile | Apr 23 2014 13:54 utc | 22

More theatre for Kiev and the US to avoid pursuing talks on constitutional reform.

Posted by: Tea | Apr 23 2014 14:05 utc | 24

Russia IS naive
http://rt.com/news/154320-moscow-troops-withdrawal-ukraine/
They belive kiev and west to keep any agreement?!

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 14:10 utc | 26

somebody
Ugly! Really ugly! Slaughter was wrong on Syria and now she wants to start a war in Ukraine? What the hell is wrong with these people and why do you talk like they are statepropagandists?! They dont even hide it today?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 14:33 utc | 28

Looks like the people of the East have decided who they will align with. Without big time West intervention, seems as though it’ll be Crimea and the East Ukraine with Russia, and West Ukraine with the Empire/NATO.
Unless these folks decide differently.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/business/international/chevron-and-ukraine-sign-deal-on-shale-gas.html?_r=0

Posted by: ben | Apr 23 2014 14:50 utc | 30

Gee, what a surprise! Now that the GWOT is FINALLY getting stale in the eyes of the world – ANOTHER war in the ME? awwwh, Ma! – and people are FINALLY – read: maybe – waking up to the utter absurdity of the official 9/11 narrative and the ensuing nonsensical horseshit of the last decade+ – what again was NATO’s interest vis a vis its Charter in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc etc? Never mind, pissant! – it appears that the oldie but goodie narrative of evil evil Russia is playing along on schedule.
I’m sure TPTB were actually surprised at just how completely and pathetically ovine and malleable Western society has been as they’ve swallowed horseshit tall-tale after horseshit tall- tale over the last 10+ years. And then I told them that we dumped his body – snicker – in the ocean – chortle – after we had observed Islamic funereal rites!!!KNEESLAP!! Why, the TPTB even successfully turned huge Syrian cities a la Iraq into near uninhabitable fucking war zones according to the Yinon Plan before people actually started catching on…kinda. Oh well, time for a new narrative campaign. I’m sure that once “Cold War: Part Deux” kicks in full-throttle and Assad is more consistently depicted as Vlad’s Right-Hand Jihadist – “He’s pro-Russian AND want’s to impose sharia law?!! Nuke ’em!”, will bellow the troglodytes – then there won’t be much opposition among the West – especially the fake left – to finally giving Bashar a little long overdue shock and awesome especially after a well-executed false flag or two somewhere upping the ante.
What, Mossad, you need a fucking invitation? Oh that’s right, I’m supposed to believe that just like in Syria the apartheid genocidal state of Israel is “sitting this one out” in regards to Ukraine, too. Fucking FM Liberman told you that himself, idiot, what more do you need?!!! Holy fuck.
BTW, it’s really too bad that that VICE magazine – y’know, the Rupert Murdoch outfit – reporter is being held by the evil evil Putin. I really hope that nobody Daniel Pearl’s him. Oh well.
Yup, looking at all the anti-Putin hysteria that really started out rolling at an increased clip a couple of years ago – Pussy Riot, anti-Sochi, Boston Bombing/Chechen tie-in, etc etc – from the intel/propaganda fronts like HRW and Amnesty and their MSM ilk, it appears that we’re just witnessing the narrative hook being driven more deeply into the psyche of the West with each new physical provocation.
Remember: no one’s gonna believe it unless some blood is spilled – or poured – so Boston Ukraine Strong people, Ukraine Strong!!

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 23 2014 15:14 utc | 32

Sorry, about that, forgot to close my bold command

Posted by: HAHA | Apr 23 2014 15:27 utc | 34

For Turchinov to announce another assault on the east before the dust has even settled on last week’s spectacular failure makes me think that something has to be different this time. It might be worth entertaining the notion that the putschists have contracted out this new “anti-terrorism” campaign entirely to U.S. mercenaries. I’m opining this because there are real consequences to another militarily debacle by the putschists, foremost of which is the inability to conduct a credible presidential election at the end of next month. The point of Biden’s visit to Kiev was not only to prompt another military attack on the Donbass but to also act as a bagman. The U.S. is going to manage and fund the May 25 poll. At this point, is there any doubt that Kiev is wholly dependent on the United States?

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 23 2014 15:56 utc | 36

@Posted by: Noirette | Apr 23, 2014 11:30:35 AM | 34
“Naturally, to preserve advantage, you may need Gvmt. stooges, on the US model, when things get…dicey.”
I agree.
This is from an older link a month ago.
Link
“Volodymyr Kipen, a political analyst in Donetsk, said Moscow – despite its denials – could yet invade, or more likely promote unrest. But he also said the oligarchs, seeking stability for businesses built on the back of 1990s acquisitions of ex-Soviet state assets, were rallying behind Yanukovich’s successors.”
“While threats of a trade war from Russia clearly played a role in Yanukovich’s rejection of the EU pact, concern among eastern oligarchs at possible damage to their businesses from removing import duties was also cited by analysts as a factor.”
IMO, when we hear from Putin “Who is going to pay?”,
I do not think he is only thinking of the gas bill.
The oligarchs have thrived from the last 23 years of dysfunctional Ukranian politics.

Posted by: Tea | Apr 23 2014 16:05 utc | 38

“all tactics no strategy”
Well, it looks like the honeymoon’s over and bevin and Mr. Whitney have parted ways what with Whitney’s latest article that indeed the recent machinations by the US are INDEED part of an overall strategy. Oh well.
However, I would like to take Whitney to account for being a willing handmaiden to the white-washing of history along with this cohort Mr. Parry. Here’s Whitney:

The pattern, of course, is unmistakable. It begins with sanctimonious finger-wagging, economic sanctions and incendiary rhetoric, and quickly escalates into stealth bombings, drone attacks, massive destruction of civilian infrastructure, millions of fleeing refugees, decimated towns and cities, death squads, wholesale human carnage, vast environmental devastation, and the steady slide into failed state anarchy; all of which is accompanied by the stale repetition of state propaganda spewed from every corporate bullhorn in the western media.
Isn’t that how things played out in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria?

Then here’s Whitney quoting Parry:

To that end, the western media has shaped an absurd narrative that Crimea is part of “evil” Putin’s plan to reconstruct the Soviet Union and return to the glory days of the Russian Empire. While there’s no point in refuting such a laughable allegation, it is worth noting that many journalists have repudiated the media’s performance comparing the coverage to state-managed propaganda. Here’s how Robert Parry summed it up in a recent piece:
“In my four-plus decades in journalism, I have never seen a more thoroughly biased and misleading performance by the major U.S. news media. Even during the days of Ronald Reagan …there was more independence in major news outlets. There were media stampedes off the reality cliff during George H.W. Bush’s Persian Gulf War and George W. Bush’s Iraq War, both of which were marked by demonstrably false claims that were readily swallowed by the big U.S. news outlets.
But there is something utterly Orwellian in the current coverage of the Ukraine crisis, including accusing others of “propaganda” when their accounts…are much more honest and more accurate than what the U.S. press corps has been producing…. The casualness of this propaganda… is not just wretched journalism but it is reckless malfeasance jeopardizing the lives of many Ukrainians and the future of the planet.”

SOOOOOO, that’s how it’s gonna be, huh, Mike and Robert? You’re just gonna elide over that teensy weensy little event that you still to this fucking day cannot bring yourself to talk about, huh?. You’re going to speak to the absolutely ABSURD narratives and NONSENSE propaganda of the entire GWOT and you’re just gonna stop…right…there…on…the…very…edge and not go one centimeter further and be a real person of conscience, huh? Can’t seem to push yourself that ONE centimeter NAY MILLIMETER further that you need to go in your expostulating on the whole horseshit spectacle we have all lived through. Nope, no need to go THERE!
Yes, yes, bevin, guest77 and others will state that I’m just a one issue voter but JFC can we stop cowardly validating the narrative charade of TPTB’s GWOT fairy tale by discussing its basis in fantasy FROM THE VERY BEGINNING – i.e.,. the false flag of 9/11 – to the present after more than a decade? Or do we continue live in fear? Because that’s what the discussions as noted above are: artful dialogues in fear.
Why is this important vis a vis Ukraine, you may ask?
Because when these fucking murderous assholes pull another yet spectacular stunt that kills a bunch of innocent people – e.g., do people really think that TPTB WOULDN’T pull a nuclear false flag? Really?! – all the while overwhelming the physical/moral sensibilities of common people a la the 9/11 event, it won’t take us 10 MORE FUCKING YEARS – and millions and millions of needlessly ended, damaged and ruined lives – to FINALLY call bullshit on the whole affair.
That’s why.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 23 2014 16:10 utc | 40

And: Ukraine’s leaders say have U.S. backing to take on ‘aggressors’

Posted by: James | Apr 23 2014 16:18 utc | 42

Now US is blaming Germany
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/22/germany-helped-prep-russia-for-war-u-s-sources-say.html
Sigh, they never stop these people..

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 16:32 utc | 44

39;The stench of control by dual citizens,though of course,the US was never perfect before that takeover,but at least its decisions were for American,not foreign interests.
22:I read in Harretz that Poroshenko went to Israel to talk to his compatriot Lieberman.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 23 2014 17:06 utc | 46

JS @38
“… bevin, guest77 and others will state that I’m just a one issue voter but JFC can we stop cowardly validating the narrative charade of TPTB’s GWOT fairy tale by discussing its basis in fantasy FROM THE VERY BEGINNING – i.e.,. the false flag of 9/11 – to the present after more than a decade? Or do we continue live in fear? Because that’s what the discussions as noted above are: artful dialogues in fear….”
You have a rare gift of combining idiocy with malice. You appear to believe that those who disagree with your bombastic rants, in any respect, are traitors, agents of the ruling class or personal enemies. By all means continue with your demented orations but please leave my name out of them.
You might want, when the buzz wears off, to consider the proposition that there is room in any reasonable discussion for several points of view including mine that the importance of the 9/11 attacks in New York city are greatly exaggerated.
For your information the US government and its allies had been wiping out thousands of innocent civilians on a regular basis for a very long time. The notion that humanity will gasp incredulously and “call bullshit” (whatever that might involve) when the proof that 9/11 was a false flag attack is produced is unfounded and suggests a morbid ethnocentricity on your part.
You might want to check this out with very old people who first heard that Pearl Harbor was an inside job in 1941.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2014 17:13 utc | 48

you don’t need to actually read the newspapers any more.
just make a speculation as to who the US is going
to send in next to give on-the-ground orders, to whoever
is supposed to be “running” Ukraine

Posted by: chris m | Apr 23 2014 17:27 utc | 50

9/11 get’s dragged out repeatedly- It’s tiring
Just using a google search
https://www.google.ca/#q=9/11+news&tbm=nws
9/11 is everywhere
Post-9/11 Military Build-up Reversal Hits Officers
Army Drives 9/11 Mastermind’s Lawyer To Sacrifice His Military Career
Interfaith Panel Denounces a 9/11 Museum Exhibit’s Portrayal of Islam
New York Times-1 hour ago
why drag any other psy op around when 9/11 can be spun for every purpose? after all these years

Posted by: Penny | Apr 23 2014 17:42 utc | 52

A M Slaughter;Looking at Wiki;Another useful idiot(how can you support Sandinistas and then US govt?) with impeccable ivy league credentials,with hubby possibly being Hungarian anti Commie refugee family.
Looking at her eyes in pictures(few and similar)I see vaguely nothing.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 23 2014 17:44 utc | 54

now we talk II
Germany, France call on Russia to facilitate Ukraine deescalation

The German and French Foreign Ministers, Frank-Walter Steinmeier and Laurent Fabius, respectively, have called on Russia to help de-escalate the conflict in Ukraine. They made the appeal during a press conference held jointly with Moldovan Prime Minister Iurie Leanca in Chisinau on April 23 evening. The speakers expressed their concern about the developments in Ukraine and said they are closely monitoring compliance with the Geneva agreements on Ukraine.

Where is Poland?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 17:55 utc | 56

Huffington Post, Voice of America, New York Times (twice), & DW. An odd choice of sources to use to critically discuss acts of western aggression against Ukraine, since all of those sites are in the business of propagandizing phony justification of this western aggression against the Ukraine. None of them provide even a reasonably accurate picture from which to base the subject matter on. Why would somebody who is supposedly against this western aggression want to use western propaganda sites promoting the aggression in Ukraine? From a consistency standpoint, it does not make much sense, especially since there are a wealth of internet news sites who provide a clearer picture of these events without all that insulting propaganda.
Those propaganda sites are probably thrilled their garbage is getting special mention here – it’s great advertizement for them.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 23 2014 18:03 utc | 58

@ 53
and if you give credence (as i do) to the evidence presented by Dr. Judy Wood, in her book, ‘Where Did The Towers Go?’, the technological implications from that event are quite mind-bending as well. to say the least.

Posted by: john | Apr 23 2014 18:15 utc | 60

Now we talk III
Bavarian Conservatives categorically refuse EU membership of Ukraine
They are Angela Merkel’s allies.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 18:29 utc | 62

“Modern Warfare”.
Like targeting corruption instead of innocent civilians?
LOL.
@57

Posted by: Tea | Apr 23 2014 18:34 utc | 64

@ 63
spare me your imbecilic soundbites and read the book, fuckwits.

Posted by: john | Apr 23 2014 18:49 utc | 66

bevin
thank you for your post
in essence, history has shown that when you wake this bear, you politicise the masses & that is something, the buffoon empire has offered to moscow, as a gift
a politicisation with muscle
the poles, the ukrainians are just playing as children do with their caca, waiting for the empire to get them out of trouble, it can’t but it is going to be be very messy
putin is no stalin, but chris bellamy spoke of stalin making the first real decision in less than a minute, the removal of all industry to the urals, bellamy called it the mark of real intelligence, priorities – it seems to me russia by necessity has never lost that sense of priority. they rarely make strategic mistakes

Posted by: remembererringgiap | Apr 23 2014 19:07 utc | 68

By “imbecilic soundbites,” John, do you mean to tell me that “particle beams from orbital weapons platforms took down the towers” is not Judy Wood’s theory? Because it certainly was when she created her multi-page, large-photo-infested website, which I remember extremely well from when it first went up. She was, of course, a protégé of James Fetzer, the man who almost succeeded in wrecking the valuable work of Steven Jones, Richard Gage, Niels Harrit, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Ryan et al, and stole the name “Scholars for 9/11 Truth,” which they had simply and sincerely chosen for themselves but unfortunately failed to copyright. This is the man who claims the moon landings were a hoax, and the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination was faked up frame by frame by government agencies. In other words, this is the man paid by the secret state to sabotage, wreck and discredit genuine conspiracy research into any of these events. So I think we know where we stand on Judy Wood. I shall certainly not waste any money on her book. I can understand why my capsule description of her theory (or as you put it, “imbecilic soundbites”) immediately causes you to lose your tiny rag and call me a “fuckwits”. I know your type very well, because I was right in the middle of all these plots and counter-plots at the time they occurred. So my suggestion to you, old boy, is that you crawl back into the less intelligent corners of the blogosphere, where you came from.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 23 2014 19:33 utc | 70

@somebody #65:

“weltanschauung” — German for “worldview warfare”

What is this nonsense? You know German. Weltanschauung just means “world view”. It has nothing to do with warfare. It’s not even a social concept. Usually one speaks of an individual’s Weltanschaung.
@somebody #26:

Germany did not exist before 1870.

Will you never become ashamed of publicly displaying your self-loathing? Germany has existed at least since Luther. Otherwise statements like “The Reformation spread across Germany” would not make any sense. A people does not have to have a unified state for that people to constitute a nation.
Again, I really don’t see how you could have such weird and counterintuitive views had the idea that Germany is shit not been repeatedly stamped into you by your American occupiers.
Now the Americans are trying to do the same thing to Ukrainians, trying to make them think that they have no affinity to the Russians, destroying the Ukrainians’ authentic identity, as has already been done by the Empire to the Germans.
@remembererringgiap #66:

the poles, the ukrainians are just playing as children do with their caca, waiting for the empire to get them out of trouble

I have never read a better simile.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 19:59 utc | 72

@70: The Holy Roman Empire was known as Sacrum Romanum Imperium Nationis Germanicae (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation) since the 15th century.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 23 2014 20:16 utc | 74

To get a feel for how completely unhinged U.S. elites are when it comes to Ukraine, have a look at Thomas Friedman’s column today, “It’s All About May 25.” Like fellow Times columnist and U.S. intelligence agency asset Nicholas Kristof, Friedman has been sent by the paper to Kiev to fabricate an upside down world absent history where 1) the constitutional legitimacy of the current government is never questioned, 2) the neo-Nazi role in the uprising and current unrest is dismissed in a sentence or two as Russian paranoia and 3) the democratic aspirations of pro-Russian eastern Ukrainians are never once mentioned, instead it is only Putin’s lust of domination and disorder that are in question. Also, he conflates the Maidan with Tahrir Square.
All of which reminds me of that quote from an anonymous Bush official that made the rounds during the Iraq invasion, something to the effect that “We’re an empire. We not part part of the reality-based community. We create our own reality.”

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 23 2014 20:21 utc | 76

Steven Jones et al succeeded in discrediting any serious inquiry into events on 911 with their crazed controlled demolition theories… Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 23, 2014 3:54:57 PM | 69

Obviously, I don’t agree that their theories were, or are, “crazed”. But this is the oldest argument of all, which it is irresistible to mischaracterise as “did they fall, or were they pushed?” We certainly need not enter into this here, otherwise we will fill the thread with interminable assertions and counter-assertions, so it’s best to leave it, I think.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 23 2014 20:36 utc | 78

@Lysias #72:
I forgot about the Holy Roman Empire. Thanks for reminding me. So Germany even had a formal political structure since the 15th century. It just took the form of what we might call a confederation rather than a state. One of its roles was to resolve disputes between German states/principalities.
I guess that teaching somebody about the Holocaust in Gymnasium took up so much time that not enough time was left over to teach him German history.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 20:49 utc | 80

@77: Starting in the early 13th century, the University of Paris had four nations: French, Norman, Picard, and English. Germans were included in the English nation. However, after the Hundred Years War, the English nation was renamed the “German nation”, which, as it happens, had many Scottish students as well as German ones. So it was also known as the “natio Germanorum et Scotorum”. The University of Bologna had a natio Germanorum (attested 1496), as did the University of Padua (attested 14th century).

Posted by: lysias | Apr 23 2014 21:06 utc | 82

@ 68
presumptuous prick, aren’t you? Judy Wood is no protégé of James Fetzer. he is a philosopher and conspiracy theorist. he’s in the business of questioning ‘official versions’ and, in fact, questions, among many other things, even the official story of the killing of bin laden. but he’s beside the point and i really don’t know much about him. she, on the other hand, is a forensics scientist, with impressive credentials. she offers no theory about what happened on 911, just evidence. but you’re clearly a conventional thinker, unwilling and probably unable, to crawl out of your comfort zone, just content to blather away incessantly, without much creativity and even less curiosity, in bloggy woggy world. undoubtedly i’m wasting my breath, but it just might behoove you to read up on black budgets and breakaway civilizations. try some Catherine Austin Fitts and Joseph P. Farrell for starters, old boy!

Posted by: john | Apr 23 2014 21:08 utc | 84

@76 bob in portland.. there is some crazy mix of drug money at the top.. i would imagine some of the funding for military ops like greystone/blackwater and etc are coming directly from the loot gotten in the drug dealings that are getting a green light in the high halls of power by someone. i am reminded of the bs of panama. when is the usa’s man, not the usa’s man anymore?

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2014 21:58 utc | 86

The New York Times, that bastion of journalistic integrity…
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/23/nyt-retracts-russian-photo-scoop/ NYT Retracts Russian-Photo Scoop
“In the old days of journalism, we used to apply the scrutiny before we published a story on the front page or on any other page, especially if it had implications toward war or peace, whether people would live or die. However, in this case – fitting with the anti-Russian bias that has pervaded the mainstream U.S. press corps – the scrutiny was set aside long enough for this powerful propaganda theme to be put in play and to sweep across the media landscape.”
Hey, but that’s OK. The sheep remember the lies, not the retractions. So no damage done, people continue to cite NYT articles as if the lies they contain have some relevance beyond documenting the pathological corruption of that company’s owners and the leadership of the country that BS organ resides in..

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 23 2014 22:15 utc | 88

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/sergey-lavrov-gives-interview-in.html?showComment=1398290139192#c8864287749991633284 Mikhail II said…
“There’s a rather horrifying item on a Ukrainian web site, in Russian: http://www.e-news.in.ua/news/8176-obratnyy-otschet-vtorzhenie-na-yugo-vostok-neminuemo.html , dated April 21 (Monday), entitled Обратный отсчёт – вторжение на Юго-Восток неминуемо. “Payback — Invasion of South East Inevitable”. It lays out in some detail the Kiev regime’s 3-step plans for invading the South-East. It’s too long to translate in detail (2 pages 12 point). People that understand Russian should read it themselves. What stood out for me are the following:
The Ukrainian Armed Forces will be used to blockade the “mutinous” provinces. A strict passport regime will control all movements to and from the blockaded strong points.
In the meantime, Americans anti-partisan and counter-terror specialists from Greystone Limited have trained members of “special commands” a 3-week course at the SBU Training Center. The special commands are composed of fighters sent from the the National Guard, and Maidan activists. There are believed to be comparable groups recruited from the Right Sector. These groups are to seize and liquidate the leaders and activists of the mutineers.
The Americans have deployed on the boundaries of Donetsk and Lugansk provinces a radio intercept system permitting any telephone or radio connection using normal security to be read, in order to determine the mutineers’ plans and dispositions.
All mutineer strong points except Donetsk and Lugansk cities will be stormed at the same time, by one of 12 groups, each 400 fighters strong, each with a helicopter group and a detachment of armour transferred from the armed forces. All strong points will be brought under control in the space of several hours. Within two days all captured places will be “cleansed” of mutineers, Russian mercenaries, and FSB agents. Afterward the storm groups will function as internal troops to police the places captured. Then the mutineers in Donetsk and Lugansk will be given an ultimatum to lay down their arms and surrender. It’s assumed that after the attack they will no longer decide to hold the provincial centers, and will hide themselves.
The plans were provided to the web site by “a patriotic officer of the SBU.” The time of the operation was to be set during the visit of Joe Biden to Kiev.
[So there you have it. The mask has dropped. The agreement, like any with the West, was just for a breathing space, to get the necessary forces in place.]”

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 23 2014 22:24 utc | 90

@46
“You appear to believe that those who disagree with your bombastic rants, in any respect, are traitors, agents of the ruling class or personal enemies.”
Look pal, you and guest77 REGULARLY feel the need to personally attack me and my rants when I’m speaking to people that are NOT you like Greenwald, Chomsky and the other cast members in the fake left coterie of all-stars so cut your “poor me” act. Or is loss of memory ALSO part of my psychological diagnosis, Dr. Freud? Hmm, projection might explain a lot concerning certain debates we’ve had. Oh well.
“You might want, when the buzz wears off, to consider the proposition that there is room in any reasonable discussion for several points of view including mine that the importance of the 9/11 attacks in New York city are greatly exaggerated.”
Why how very very Chomsky of you. BTW, it’s that very same interview with Goodman – guffaw – where he states that not only was the Chilean 9/11 MORE important than the false flag of 9/11 in 2001 – of which he buys the official story, mind you – but he ALSO states in his answer to the next question that Syria is committing “suicide” and the “civil war” there was just that.
Lastly, I love how you and guest77 have both recently hit upon the same meme: that discussions concerning the false flag event of 9/11 are BENEATH any “serious” minded person/poster/world citizen and that in the great cosmopolitan/enlightened circles that you and others of your strata/ilk inhabit the investigation/pursuance of such a topic is BORING, SMALL POTATOES and – doggone it – just not WORTHY of yours or anyone’s time. It’s just one lie among many, right, guys? Hey, wouldn’t that also be just what TPTB would want us to think….hey, wait a minute!
Yup, when a person can so facilely(?) drop gem upon gem of insight into discussions concerning nearly every politico-historical topic under the sun I’m sure you DO think it’s beneath you when people don’t mind their stations in the online world and decide to bring up a topic that – again, while boring and trite for the high-minded and young (that was like before I was born, dude!) – still merits examination as it has DIRECT relevance to what continues to happen to this day especially as said topic is to this day CONSPICUOUSLY avoided by the fake left literary luminaries as they wax poetic on the latest topic du jour in this case Ukraine.
Gatekeeper #1: Why, Jack, I’ve never even HEARD of such an absurd propaganda narrative in my ENTIRE professional life!!
Gatekeeper #2: ME NEITHER!! That is, of course, if you don’t include include Dick “Vader” Cheney’s evil mastermind plots concerning Iraq!
Gatekeeper #3: Why, I almost forgot! What a bad guys HE was!
Yup, 9 of 10 “serious” “progressive” people agree:
9/11? meh.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 23 2014 22:28 utc | 92

@86: I think somebody was upset that Israel wasn’t going along with the U.S.’s Russia/Ukraine line. Easy to guess who.

Posted by: lysias | Apr 23 2014 22:49 utc | 94

If you look at the comments on the major Polish portals: gazeta.pl, onet.pl, wp.pl, interia.pl you will see that the majority of the people show commonsense and display utmost disgust towards shameful, pathetic, disgraceful, submissive, treasonous policies of the Polish government and so called opposition united in leading Poland on the foreign masters orders to disastrous war with Russia and her allies. Especially the biggest opposition part Law&Justice is showing its true colors as the traitors of the Polish interests and lapdogs, shills of the AngloZioUSian criminal anti-human cabal.
Sending US troops to Poland marks for many people start of a new, real occupation USSR style.
Let’s see what happens in May elections.

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 23 2014 22:56 utc | 96

CNN has published an oddly non-propagandistic article:
How will the Ukraine crisis end? Five possible scenarios
I just skimmed it, since it’s pretty long. But it does actually sound like journalism.

Ukraine’s government recovers control of the east
On the evidence of the past few weeks, that seems very improbable. […]
The messy status quo
To many observers, that seems the most likely scenario – a stand-off between Kiev and pro-Russian groups in the east. The young and largely inexperienced Ukrainian government has shown itself incapable of dealing with the pro-Russian groups, who in turn don’t have (as yet) the muscle to turn protest into outright secession.
Ukrainian security forces even appear to be trying to lock in the contagion, with military and police checkpoints springing up on the borders between Kharkhiv and Donetsk regions, and checkpoints around Donetsk city beefed up. […]
The next steps will be the publication of a new draft constitution, and the May 11 vote organized by pro-Russian groups in the east. Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov insisted Tuesday that the “majority of Ukrainian citizens are for a united unitary democratic Ukraine with greater powers given to the regions.”

That last phrase doesn’t mean anything until we see a draft of the new constitution. And how much do you want to bet that if it does get released, it will only be published in Ukrainian? (Its release will be delayed somewhat because it probably isn’t easy to translate a complicated English document into the new artificial language of official Ukrainian.)
I hope that the guy who wrote this piece doesn’t get fired.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 23 2014 23:14 utc | 98

Posted by: Bob In Portland | Apr 23, 2014 5:56:57 PM | 82
No. It is another guy, they just share the name. His body turned up the same night in Sloviansk as the drive by shooting where Sloviansk locals and separatists accuse Pravy Sektor. He was a councillor from nearby Horlivka of Tymoshenko’s and Turchynov’s Fatherland Party who had tried to replace the Donbass flag flying on the city hall with the Ukrainian flag. It is a eery memory of the Croatia Vukovar incident that started the Yugoslav civil war in earnest.
So same as on Maidan, in one night in Sloviansk people from both sides turned up dead, from the local separatists and from the local Ukrainian unionists.
You can be sure that it was planned by one secret service or the other. Who is it who wants civil war in Ukraine? Who wants another Afghanistan there? Turchynow says it was done by a third force. I agree.
This here is the account by the Financial Times and they say he is not the only politician or activist who got disappeared.

After his wife Elena and son Yura travelled there to identify the corpse at the city’s morgue on Wednesday, Ukraine’s interior ministry confirmed this was indeed the slain politician, whose body was found with that of a second, still unidentified man.
Mr Rybak’s death adds to a growing file of vigilante “arrests” and disappearances of politicians, activists and journalists – blamed on armed separatists – as law and order erode, the civic fabric frays, and fear of violence grows in Ukraine’s east.
“The fact that people are disappearing in Ukraine – in the centre of Europe – in 2014 is simply horrible,” Yurii Zhuk, a pro-European city councillor who saw Mr Rybak half an hour before his death, said on Wednesday, looking out the window of the city hall to the plaza – overlooked by Lenin’s statue – where the abduction occurred. “It shouldn’t be happening.”

It reminds you of Iraq and Syria where civic society got targeted at one stage – politicians, doctors, administrators, people with the intellect and moral authority to unite society.
Someone works for a civil war scenario folloowing a cook book.
This type of war is pernicious

Posted by: somebody | Apr 23 2014 23:21 utc | 100